Re: Ctrl-D window size

[Daniel]

Ray Davison wrote on 12/01/21 12:45:
I have 2.35.5 with a fresh profile.  The only change I have made is to 
import a bookmark file.


This is the Ctrl-D window I get.  I can neither resize nor move it.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/dWt8x6whc8v9z2RQ9

It was suggested that is the default size, and is designed to be 
no-sizable or movable.  Is that true?  If so isn't that a unique window?


If the above is true, then somewhere the size and location are hard 
coded.  Therefore size and position are editable.  Where and how?


Actually the previous version was a bit strange.  I could re-size 
horizontal but it was full screen height and I could not shrink it 
vertically; I could move it down off-screen, but could not move it up to 
get a cursor under it.  But I needed the height so I didn't mind.


Ray

Ray, not directly answering your query, but as a possible work-around, 
if you select Bookmarks -> Manage Bookmarks (Ctrl-B) can you get full 
screen??

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Re: Sites you may not be able to access

[David E. Ross]

On 1/11/2021 6:08 PM, Keith N. McKenna wrote:
> On 1/11/2021 4:26 AM, David E. Ross wrote:
>> On 1/11/2021 12:44 AM, Daniel wrote:
>>> David E. Ross wrote on 11/01/21 09:14:
 On 1/10/2021 12:08 PM, Ray Davison wrote:
> I get a news letter from a doctor.  Twitter banned him because he
> described his experience treating people with CCP virus.  He moved to
> Parler and took 28K followers with him.
>
> Now Twitter has banned Trump.  Trump moved to Parler.
>
> Parler used Amazon servers.  Amazon has banned Parler.
>
> Free speech anyone?
>
> Ray

 The right of free speech in the first amendment to the U.S. Constitution
 only applies to government action, not to the actions of businesses and
 individuals.

>>> I would have thought "free speech" would also give the provider the 
>>> freedom *NOT* to reply to or even to carry an article!
>>
>> Given today's broad definition of "press", that falls under freedom of
>> the press.  "Press" now seems to include not only print media but also
>> electronic media.
>>
> No it does not. The 1st and 14th Amendments to the U.S. Constitution
> *only* apply to Government action. The 1st applies to Federal Government
> action, the 14th applies to state action.
> 
> Regards
> Keith N. McKenna
> 

I was replying to the comment that "free speech" gave newspapers and
electronic platforms the right to carry or refuse to carry an article.
That is not "free speech"; that is "freedom of the press".  Yes,
Amendment 1 prevents the federal government from infringing on both free
speech and freedom of the press, which was extended to the states by
Amendment 14.

Someone once said the freedom of the press belongs to he who owns the
printing press.  It has long been the answer to anyone who objects when
a newspaper refuses to publish his or her letter to the editor.  Extend
that to electronic platforms, and that becomes the answer to anyone who
objects to being censored by Facebook, Twitter, or any other electronic
medium.

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Re: Sites you may not be able to access

[Keith N. McKenna]

On 1/11/2021 4:26 AM, David E. Ross wrote:
> On 1/11/2021 12:44 AM, Daniel wrote:
>> David E. Ross wrote on 11/01/21 09:14:
>>> On 1/10/2021 12:08 PM, Ray Davison wrote:
 I get a news letter from a doctor.  Twitter banned him because he
 described his experience treating people with CCP virus.  He moved to
 Parler and took 28K followers with him.

 Now Twitter has banned Trump.  Trump moved to Parler.

 Parler used Amazon servers.  Amazon has banned Parler.

 Free speech anyone?

 Ray
>>>
>>> The right of free speech in the first amendment to the U.S. Constitution
>>> only applies to government action, not to the actions of businesses and
>>> individuals.
>>>
>> I would have thought "free speech" would also give the provider the 
>> freedom *NOT* to reply to or even to carry an article!
> 
> Given today's broad definition of "press", that falls under freedom of
> the press.  "Press" now seems to include not only print media but also
> electronic media.
> 
No it does not. The 1st and 14th Amendments to the U.S. Constitution
*only* apply to Government action. The 1st applies to Federal Government
action, the 14th applies to state action.

Regards
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Ctrl-D window size

[Ray Davison]

I have 2.35.5 with a fresh profile.  The only change I have made is to 
import a bookmark file.


This is the Ctrl-D window I get.  I can neither resize nor move it.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/dWt8x6whc8v9z2RQ9

It was suggested that is the default size, and is designed to be 
no-sizable or movable.  Is that true?  If so isn't that a unique window?


If the above is true, then somewhere the size and location are hard 
coded.  Therefore size and position are editable.  Where and how?


Actually the previous version was a bit strange.  I could re-size 
horizontal but it was full screen height and I could not shrink it 
vertically; I could move it down off-screen, but could not move it up to 
get a cursor under it.  But I needed the height so I didn't mind.


Ray

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Re: Sites you may not be able to access

[Rinaldi]

On 1/11/21 4:51 PM, Somebody or Other wrote:

Rinaldi wrote:
We have never before had a president who incited a riot against our 
capitol and then congratulated and thanked the perpetrators. So when 
the media platforms ban that criminal, seditious behavior, it's 
because it's criminal and seditious, not because a Republican is 
doing it.


I have heard this allegation several times yet I cannot find a link or 
transcript.  Would you be so kind?


The tweets in question have been taken down. But a quick perusal of the 
news media should give you plenty of information, including direct 
quotes and clips of his speech just before the riot.


We're already way off topic for this NG, so I'll have nothing more to 
say about it. I expect most of the thread will be taken down soon by the 
moderators.


Thought so.

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Re: Sites you may not be able to access

[Samuel S]

Somebody or Other wrote:

Ray Davison wrote:


Samuel S wrote:

Yet, as many Americans use "Freedom of Speech" is incorrect, as the 
First and 14th Amendments to the U.S. Constitution is referencing 
that Our Government shall not restrict and has no application to 
private entities, as much as many would prefer to apply it to.


The social media companies are not Government, but they are Government 
protected.  Therefore they are only semi-private.  They have entered 
the realm of public utility.  And that invokes the realm of 
discrimination.


So either make them as [liable] as everyone else, or make them not 
discriminate.


There is also the area of monopoly and antitrust, but I have varied 
opinions regarding those.


We have never before had a president who incited a riot against our 
capitol and then congratulated and thanked the perpetrators. So when the 
media platforms ban that criminal, seditious behavior, it's because it's 
criminal and seditious, not because a Republican is doing it.


The same principle applies to abortion clinic bombers -- those people 
get arrested and prosecuted for killing and injuring, not for their 
conservative beliefs. Nobody cares what they believe in the privacy of 
their own hearts.


But in both cases the criminals whine about how unfair it is that they 
should be charged and prosecuted for killing and injuring people, based 
on the familiar legal principle of IOKIYAR. Baloney.


Thank you, I agree.
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Re: Sites you may not be able to access

[Somebody or Other]

Rinaldi wrote:

On 1/11/21 2:34 PM, Somebody or Other wrote:

Ray Davison wrote:


Samuel S wrote:

Yet, as many Americans use "Freedom of Speech" is incorrect, as the 
First and 14th Amendments to the U.S. Constitution is referencing 
that Our Government shall not restrict and has no application to 
private entities, as much as many would prefer to apply it to.


The social media companies are not Government, but they are 
Government protected.  Therefore they are only semi-private.  They 
have entered the realm of public utility.  And that invokes the realm 
of discrimination.


So either make them as [liable] as everyone else, or make them not 
discriminate.


There is also the area of monopoly and antitrust, but I have varied 
opinions regarding those.


We have never before had a president who incited a riot against our 
capitol and then congratulated and thanked the perpetrators. So when 
the media platforms ban that criminal, seditious behavior, it's 
because it's criminal and seditious, not because a Republican is doing 
it.


I have heard this allegation several times yet I cannot find a link or 
transcript.  Would you be so kind?


The tweets in question have been taken down. But a quick perusal of the 
news media should give you plenty of information, including direct 
quotes and clips of his speech just before the riot.


We're already way off topic for this NG, so I'll have nothing more to 
say about it. I expect most of the thread will be taken down soon by the 
moderators.

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Re: Site that doesn't work since upgrading to 2.53.5.1

[Dirk Fieldhouse]

On 11/01/2021 17:57, no...@nonospam.org wrote:

...>
I have reported this to the site owner and he has replied that he is 
aware of the situation. But the site works correctly with Firefox, and 
only has failed to work with SeaMonkey since a recent SeaMonkey update.

> ...

The question is whether it works with an equivalent FF, say 52 or 60 
(Obvs only ESR versions are of interest).


If he can say what it is that isn't working (given that his JS doesn't 
actually report an error with SM) it would be easier for devs to fix.


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Re: Sites you may not be able to access

[Rinaldi]

On 1/11/21 2:34 PM, Somebody or Other wrote:

Ray Davison wrote:


Samuel S wrote:

Yet, as many Americans use "Freedom of Speech" is incorrect, as the 
First and 14th Amendments to the U.S. Constitution is referencing 
that Our Government shall not restrict and has no application to 
private entities, as much as many would prefer to apply it to.


The social media companies are not Government, but they are Government 
protected.  Therefore they are only semi-private.  They have entered 
the realm of public utility.  And that invokes the realm of 
discrimination.


So either make them as [liable] as everyone else, or make them not 
discriminate.


There is also the area of monopoly and antitrust, but I have varied 
opinions regarding those.


We have never before had a president who incited a riot against our 
capitol and then congratulated and thanked the perpetrators. So when the 
media platforms ban that criminal, seditious behavior, it's because it's 
criminal and seditious, not because a Republican is doing it.


I have heard this allegation several times yet I cannot find a link or 
transcript.  Would you be so kind?


Rinaldi
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Re: Sites you may not be able to access

[Somebody or Other]

Ray Davison wrote:


Samuel S wrote:

Yet, as many Americans use "Freedom of Speech" is incorrect, as the 
First and 14th Amendments to the U.S. Constitution is referencing that 
Our Government shall not restrict and has no application to private 
entities, as much as many would prefer to apply it to.


The social media companies are not Government, but they are Government 
protected.  Therefore they are only semi-private.  They have entered the 
realm of public utility.  And that invokes the realm of discrimination.


So either make them as [liable] as everyone else, or make them not 
discriminate.


There is also the area of monopoly and antitrust, but I have varied 
opinions regarding those.


We have never before had a president who incited a riot against our 
capitol and then congratulated and thanked the perpetrators. So when the 
media platforms ban that criminal, seditious behavior, it's because it's 
criminal and seditious, not because a Republican is doing it.


The same principle applies to abortion clinic bombers -- those people 
get arrested and prosecuted for killing and injuring, not for their 
conservative beliefs. Nobody cares what they believe in the privacy of 
their own hearts.


But in both cases the criminals whine about how unfair it is that they 
should be charged and prosecuted for killing and injuring people, based 
on the familiar legal principle of IOKIYAR. Baloney.

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Re: Sites you may not be able to access

[WaltS48]

On 1/11/21 3:04 PM, Ray Davison wrote:

Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:


The app Parlor has apparently seen a dramatic increase in downloads. 
It is something porn-related.


The ACLU concern was for the "little guy".  Namely, someone like Trump 
could build or buy an alternate means of communicating.  The doctor who 
got banned for talking like a doctor has little or no option.


Ray




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Re: Sites you may not be able to access

[Ray Davison]

Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:


The app Parlor has apparently seen a dramatic increase in downloads. It 
is something porn-related.


The ACLU concern was for the "little guy".  Namely, someone like Trump 
could build or buy an alternate means of communicating.  The doctor who 
got banned for talking like a doctor has little or no option.


Ray


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Re: Sites you may not be able to access

[Don Spam's Reckless Son]

Ray Davison wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:


Twitter, Amazon, Google and others are not the government.

I can ban you from my platform if I choose, or filter your posts to 
trash.


I think that discussion is in mozilla.general.

Please read the subject again.  It has nothing to do with "can ban". 
There are people trying to reach these sites and do not know why they 
cannot.  They don't know why they cannot communicate like they have been 
able to.  It is not like they got a memo "take your business elsewhere".


And Apple and Google have banned the Parler phone apps.

OK I did include a free speech note, but even the ACLU has come down 
against this case.


Ray



The app Parlor has apparently seen a dramatic increase in downloads. It 
is something porn-related.


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Re: Sites you may not be able to access

[Ray Davison]

Samuel S wrote:

Yet, as many Americans use "Freedom of Speech" is incorrect, as the 
First and 14th Amendments to the U.S. Constitution is referencing that 
Our Government shall not restrict and has no application to private 
entities, as much as many would prefer to apply it to.


The social media companies are not Government, but they are Government 
protected.  Therefore they are only semi-private.  They have entered the 
realm of public utility.  And that invokes the realm of discrimination.


So either make them as libel as everyone else, or make them not 
discriminate.


There is also the area of monopoly and antitrust, but I have varied 
opinions regarding those.


Ray




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Re: Site that doesn't work since upgrading to 2.53.5.1

[notme]

Dirk Fieldhouse wrote:

On 10/01/2021 09:04, jcteyssier wrote:

no...@nonospam.org a écrit :

I'm running Windows 10 Pro v20H2

The problematic site is https://pskreporter.info/pskmap.html

It's a site with a scale-able map, somewhat similar to Google maps.

The problem is that when you left-click and hold on the map, you 
should be able to move the map around in the window to center it on a 
desired location. It still works fine with Firefox, but not with 
SeaMonkey v2.53.5.1.


Ideas? Thanks in advance!

John
win 10 pro 64 here; Seamonkey 2.53.6 beta 1: same here, left click 
does nothing (firefox works)

No idea "why"



Same with SM 2.5.3.1 Linux x86.

This 
 
seems to be a discussion of a similar problem. The only browser console 
messages:


setMapSize(1120, 583)  pskmap.html:132:31
Resizing map: 1120px != 100% || 458px != 635px  pskmap.html:132:31
Frag shader error: 0:1(12): warning: extension `GL_ARB_gpu_shader5' 
unsupported in fragment shader

   SunLayer.js:531:10
setMapSize(1120, 583)  pskmap.html:132:31

The message about GL_ARB_gpu_shader5 seems to be a red herring that 
could be fixed by 
.


The document declares the VML namespace which I thought was 
unimplemented except in IE <=9, but presumably doesn't use it as it did 
work, from the link above, until last month.


I think the site owner will be best placed to help.

/df


I have reported this to the site owner and he has replied that he is 
aware of the situation. But the site works correctly with Firefox, and 
only has failed to work with SeaMonkey since a recent SeaMonkey update.


I would expect the SeaMonkey development team to be motivated to fix it. 
Don't they have a major goal of making their browser compatible with any 
site that works with Firefox? (Other than sites that specifically 
exclude it though the User Agent string).


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Re: Sites you may not be able to access

[Samuel S]

Ray Davison wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:


Twitter, Amazon, Google and others are not the government.

I can ban you from my platform if I choose, or filter your posts to 
trash.


I think that discussion is in mozilla.general.

Please read the subject again.  It has nothing to do with "can ban". 
There are people trying to reach these sites and do not know why they 
cannot.  They don't know why they cannot communicate like they have been 
able to.  It is not like they got a memo "take your business elsewhere".


And Apple and Google have banned the Parler phone apps.

OK I did include a free speech note, but even the ACLU has come down 
against this case.


Ray

Yes, you are quite correct about Parler being removed from most major 
platforms and as such, its' members can no longer communicate using that 
app.


Yet, as many Americans use "Freedom of Speech" is incorrect, as the 
First and 14th Amendments to the U.S. Constitution is referencing that 
Our Government shall not restrict and has no application to private 
entities, as much as many would prefer to apply it to.


Individuals who are bummed by the banning can also undertake to create 
their own 'private' platform to host Parler and move forward from there.


It may be that the ACLU does not either fully understand or accept TOS's 
that are set by each Tech company. If they do, then they have yet to 
challenge or issue statements to that effect until this recent incident.


Even here on this forum, there are TOS's which must be followed or one 
can be banned, even for life. Can you believe it?


The memo about Parler was sent via news outlets, rather they were read, 
listened to or believed is a totally different issue.


Thank you for your post, regardless.

bo1953
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Re: Redirect Loop with https://www.tennessean.com;s stories.

[NFN Smith]

Ant wrote:
https://www.tennessean.com's stories (e.g., 
https://www.tennessean.com/story/money/2020/12/29/at-t-outage-after-nashville-explosion-caused-challenges-retailers/4067046001/) 
shows:


"Redirection limit for this URL exceeded. Unable to load the requested 
page. This may be caused by cookies that are blocked.



I've seen similar behavior in a Firefox profile on other sites that are 
owned by Gannett. (For me, it's just a redirect loop that never 
resolves, but no error message) The profile is on a computer that I 
can't check immediately, so I don't know the specifics of that profile 
(especially with ad blocking and cookie handling), but I know that my 
standard suggestion of clearing cache and cookies doesn't have any effect.


I do find it interesting that Gannett-owned sites are remarkably similar 
in configuration, including overall display format, and extensive list 
of scripting hosts used, both for content delivery (such as 
gannett-cdn.com and gcion.com) and tracking/ad delivery (kxrd.com, 
newrelic.com, onetrust.com, urbanairship.com, etc.) It's remarkably 
centralized, and you see the same behavior whether you're at USA Today, 
Nashville Tennessean, Reno Gazette, Arizona Republic, Indianapolis Star, 
El Paso Times or any other Gannett property.


I haven't had problems in my primary Seamonkey profile (2.53.5.1), so I 
haven't taken the effort to try to figure out. For normal usage in 
Seamonkey, I have NoScript set to disallow nearly all the domains in 
question, and disallow third-party cookies.


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Re: ARD Mediathek: Page contents vanishes after few seconds

[mike]

On 11.01.2021 12:56, Dirk Fieldhouse wrote:
> prevAll(), nextAll() and eq() are jQuery methods (get the list of
> previous/subsequent siblings of a DOM element, get the nth item of a
> list), but jQuery does not seem to be in use.

No, actually it seems to be object-assign
(https://github.com/sindresorhus/object-assign) accoding to
https://www.ardmediathek.de/main.940c64ac.js.LICENSE.txt.

Those methods seem to be defined like this:

var m = {
eq: function(e) {
if (void 0 === e) return this
var t = this.length
if (e > t - 1) return f([])
if (e < 0) {
var n = t + e
return f(n < 0 ? [] : [this[n]])
}
return f([this[e]])
},
...
}

And then probably made available through

Object.keys(m).forEach((function(e) {
f.fn[e] = m[e]
}))

But all this is way beyond my JS knowledge.
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Re: How set default text encoding display in Seamonkey Mail ?

[no one]

After rereading this thread I started from the beginning and noticed on my 
system the only way to get the unicode setting to remain as default 
in the composer window is to actually select "default for locale"
 unicode is not available as an option in the 
edit/preferences/mailandnews/textencoding and FWIR the original setting was 
"other(incl western european)"
though i had tried various other options after first coming across this a few 
years ago.
ofc if this rears it's ugly head again i shall make more effort to discover the 
source and report back.


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Re: ARD Mediathek: Page contents vanishes after few seconds

[Dirk Fieldhouse]

On 10/01/2021 18:45, Rainer Bielefeld wrote:

Lemuel Johnson schrieb:

objects not recognized by SeaMonkey


So it is:

Laden fehlgeschlagen für das 

Re: Sites you may not be able to access

[David E. Ross]

On 1/11/2021 12:44 AM, Daniel wrote:
> David E. Ross wrote on 11/01/21 09:14:
>> On 1/10/2021 12:08 PM, Ray Davison wrote:
>>> I get a news letter from a doctor.  Twitter banned him because he
>>> described his experience treating people with CCP virus.  He moved to
>>> Parler and took 28K followers with him.
>>>
>>> Now Twitter has banned Trump.  Trump moved to Parler.
>>>
>>> Parler used Amazon servers.  Amazon has banned Parler.
>>>
>>> Free speech anyone?
>>>
>>> Ray
>>
>> The right of free speech in the first amendment to the U.S. Constitution
>> only applies to government action, not to the actions of businesses and
>> individuals.
>>
> I would have thought "free speech" would also give the provider the 
> freedom *NOT* to reply to or even to carry an article!

Given today's broad definition of "press", that falls under freedom of
the press.  "Press" now seems to include not only print media but also
electronic media.

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Re: Sites you may not be able to access

[Daniel]

David E. Ross wrote on 11/01/21 09:14:

On 1/10/2021 12:08 PM, Ray Davison wrote:

I get a news letter from a doctor.  Twitter banned him because he
described his experience treating people with CCP virus.  He moved to
Parler and took 28K followers with him.

Now Twitter has banned Trump.  Trump moved to Parler.

Parler used Amazon servers.  Amazon has banned Parler.

Free speech anyone?

Ray


The right of free speech in the first amendment to the U.S. Constitution
only applies to government action, not to the actions of businesses and
individuals.

I would have thought "free speech" would also give the provider the 
freedom *NOT* to reply to or even to carry an article!

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User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.53.5.1 Build identifier: 20201115194905


Linux User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) 
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