Re: Problem with Data Manager

[Daniel]

Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote on 23/01/21 20:12:

Daniel wrote:

Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote on 22/01/21 20:04:




Curious - I can see the posts in that thread.  Not just the headers, 
the content as well.
Now to your other hypothesis: I read/write these posts via Seamonkey 
Mail/News on the server news.mozilla.org.  My understanding is that 
this is the "primary", other News providers such as groups.google.com 
read and write to this server.


Yeap!! Same Same for me  and then there is the (whatever) function 
where you can receive all posts here in one great big daily e-mail! 
YUCK!! (IMHO, of course!!)


In Walt S48's first post yesterday he gave me a link to Google groups 
- it is in this mail, you did not snip it - and I confirmed to him - 
also in this mail, unsnipped - that his link worked and that the 
information I was looking for was there and had solved my problem.
In another of my posts in this thread I said that the mozilla.general 
newsgroup on the same server does not seem to suffer from the 
problem. There are actually more postings in Mozilla General than in 
this group although I filter+delete on several criteria there so I 
can't supply numbers.  Both are over 110 000.


I (recently) had to make a new account for this news server, so I show 
at 4,306 messages in moz.general verses 5,163 messages in moz.s.seamonkey


When you subscribe to a Newsgroup, the download is not initiated until 
you actually "go there".  If you then look at the "Server Settings for 
this account" you will see an option "Ask me before downloading more 
than 1500 messages".  In my experiments here I have started routinely 
disabling this option, even if you don't you can still say "I want them 
all" (or words to that effect).  It looks as though you have accepted 
some limit.
Of course it helps when you have a seriously fast internet connection, 
mine is something like 200Mb or 250Mb.


Yeah!! At the time, I had screwed up something with my old Moz.news 
account and hoped to fix it . eventually. Haven't gotten around to 
it yet!


Maybe, one day, I'll download all the missing threads!!
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User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.53.5.1 Build identifier: 20201115194905


Linux User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) 
Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.49.1 Build identifier: 20171015235623

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Re: An important site that doesn't work with SeaMonkey

[Paul in Houston, TX]

no...@nonospam.org wrote:

SM 2.49.3.
I would be very careful with that site.

My Bluhell fire wall blocks the site.
Allowing the script to run takes over my SM browser.
This line does bad things:

Dept>Stack(d)}});var vb=new 
RegExp("^("+Ib+")(?!px)[a-z%]+$","i"),rb=function(a){var 
b=a.ownerDocument.defaultView;return 
b&||(b=g),b.getComputedStyle(a)},Kb=function(a,b,d){var 
c,e={};for(c in b)e[c]=a.style[c],a.style[c]=b[c];for(c in 
d=d.call(a),b)a.style[c]=e[c];return d},Zb=new 
RegExp(ca.join("|"),"i");!function(){function 
a(){if(m){n.style.cssText="position:absolute;left:-1px;width:60px;margin-top:1px;padding:0;border:0";


Script kiddies fed a line of BS to Safeway / Albertsons IT Dept.
I've seen it happen at many companies.
Everyone likes to be the first on their block with 2021 scripting.
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Re: An important site that doesn't work with SeaMonkey

[Dirk Fieldhouse]

On 23/01/2021 14:56, Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:

no...@nonospam.org wrote:
Do I understand correctly that Imperva is security software the site 
is using to block access from "unapproved" browsers? If so, IMHO the 
SeaMonkey team at least needs to take steps to prevent this from 
locking up the browser as is happening now. I know how to kill the 
process with Task Manager, but less computer-savvy users may be stymied.


I assume your browser access is not being blocked and it's the actual 
page that's failing. The Imperva access denial page is very clear, as 
the Don describes.


We don't really know why Imperva is blocking access.  I did a web search 
on "website blocked by imperva" and one of the first links it threw up 
was 
https://docs.imperva.com/bundle/cloud-application-security/page/error-codes.htm 

Another was 
https://docs.imperva.com/bundle/cloud-application-security/page/settings/security-settings.htm 
- that could maybe help more.
There's a list of Client IDs and their codes in there, Firefox is 1, 
Seamonkey is 45.
When I try and access https://www.jewelosco.com/ I get Error 16 and the 
first link gives that as
The request was blocked based on your security settings (Bot Access 
Control or Block Specific Sources) in the Cloud Security Console. For 
details, see Web Protection - Security Settings.


Looking that one up (the last part of that text is a link), Block 
Specific Sources can be used to block countries, IP-ranges or URLs (!).

>...

As UA spoofing is ineffective it's likely that we are being blocked for 
not being in the US and so not sufficiently interesting to the deluded 
site owner as potential customers. Apparently if a US resident goes 
abroad and wants to schedule a delivery for his/her/zer return he/she/ze 
has to have a US VPN.


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.53.6 released!

[jcteyssier]

Frank-Rainer Grahl a écrit :



jcteyssier wrote:

Edmund Wong a écrit :

Greetings,

The SeaMonkey Project is pleased to announce the release of SeaMonkey
2.53.6.

So please check out [1] or [2].

Thanks to all involved.

Edmund

PS: Yeah, somewhat a canned message.  Currently in the middle of a bunch
of things while doing release, so my apologies.

Links:
[1] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/2.53.6
[2] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.53.6/





Insatlled.
By the way the "Debug" and "Qa" meni brougth with beyta version are 
still here.

Is it the new standard behavior?
Jean-Charles

Win 10 / 64 bit / french: all seems ok (and yes, have to tell to 
windows that i WANT to install it)


This is the debugQA extension only distributed with the Beta. It will 
stay. Might change in the next release but you can either disable or 
remove it in the Add-ons manager.


FRG

Thank you for the information.
I will keep it, i tougth it was a bug due to use of 2.53.6b1 before.

Jean-Charles
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.53.6 released!

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

jcteyssier wrote:

Edmund Wong a écrit :

Greetings,

The SeaMonkey Project is pleased to announce the release of SeaMonkey
2.53.6.

So please check out [1] or [2].

Thanks to all involved.

Edmund

PS: Yeah, somewhat a canned message.  Currently in the middle of a bunch
of things while doing release, so my apologies.

Links:
[1] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/2.53.6
[2] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.53.6/





Insatlled.
By the way the "Debug" and "Qa" meni brougth with beyta version are still here.
Is it the new standard behavior?
Jean-Charles

Win 10 / 64 bit / french: all seems ok (and yes, have to tell to windows that 
i WANT to install it)


This is the debugQA extension only distributed with the Beta. It will stay. 
Might change in the next release but you can either disable or remove it in 
the Add-ons manager.


FRG
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.53.6 released!

[jcteyssier]

Edmund Wong a écrit :

Greetings,

The SeaMonkey Project is pleased to announce the release of SeaMonkey
2.53.6.

So please check out [1] or [2].

Thanks to all involved.

Edmund

PS: Yeah, somewhat a canned message.  Currently in the middle of a bunch
of things while doing release, so my apologies.

Links:
[1] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/2.53.6
[2] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.53.6/





Insatlled.
By the way the "Debug" and "Qa" meni brougth with beyta version are 
still here.

Is it the new standard behavior?
Jean-Charles

Win 10 / 64 bit / french: all seems ok (and yes, have to tell to windows 
that i WANT to install it)

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Re: An important site that doesn't work with SeaMonkey

[Don Spam's Reckless Son]

no...@nonospam.org wrote:
Do I understand correctly that Imperva is security software the site is 
using to block access from "unapproved" browsers? If so, IMHO the 
SeaMonkey team at least needs to take steps to prevent this from locking 
up the browser as is happening now. I know how to kill the process with 
Task Manager, but less computer-savvy users may be stymied.


John



We don't really know why Imperva is blocking access.  I did a web search 
on "website blocked by imperva" and one of the first links it threw up 
was 
https://docs.imperva.com/bundle/cloud-application-security/page/error-codes.htm
Another was 
https://docs.imperva.com/bundle/cloud-application-security/page/settings/security-settings.htm 
- that could maybe help more.
There's a list of Client IDs and their codes in there, Firefox is 1, 
Seamonkey is 45.
When I try and access https://www.jewelosco.com/ I get Error 16 and the 
first link gives that as

The request was blocked based on your security settings (Bot Access Control or 
Block Specific Sources) in the Cloud Security Console. For details, see Web 
Protection - Security Settings.


Looking that one up (the last part of that text is a link), Block 
Specific Sources can be used to block countries, IP-ranges or URLs (!).
Bot Access Control works on Client IDs from that list and my guess is 
that the customer - jewelosco.com - has not whitelisted Seamonkey, an 
alternative would be a bug on the Imperva side where it is not 
recognising Seamonkey in the first place.

I am not in the US, maybe my Code 16 is down to that.
Your Seamonkey just hangs?  Different error.


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Re: An important site that doesn't work with SeaMonkey

[notme]

Do I understand correctly that Imperva is security software the site is 
using to block access from "unapproved" browsers? If so, IMHO the 
SeaMonkey team at least needs to take steps to prevent this from locking 
up the browser as is happening now. I know how to kill the process with 
Task Manager, but less computer-savvy users may be stymied.


John

Dirk Fieldhouse wrote:

On 23/01/2021 09:18, Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:

no...@nonospam.org wrote:
...>

Two possible workarounds here:
1 - about:config and then modify 
general.useragent.compatMode.strict-firefox (you may well have to 
restart Seamonkey before the change becomes active).

...


UA spoofing didn't seem to break through the Imperva thing. It might 
help once you actually reach a page served by the company that does not 
show its pages.


/df



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Re: An important site that doesn't work with SeaMonkey

[Dirk Fieldhouse]

On 23/01/2021 09:18, Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:

no...@nonospam.org wrote:
...>

Two possible workarounds here:
1 - about:config and then modify 
general.useragent.compatMode.strict-firefox (you may well have to 
restart Seamonkey before the change becomes active).

...


UA spoofing didn't seem to break through the Imperva thing. It might 
help once you actually reach a page served by the company that does not 
show its pages.


/df

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Re: An important site that doesn't work with SeaMonkey

[Don Spam's Reckless Son]

no...@nonospam.org wrote:

https://www.jewelosco.com

This is the site for a major grocery store and pharmacy chain. It locks 
up SeaMonkey v2.53.5.1 on a fully updated Windows 10 Pro system. Try to 
do anything and it shows "Not Responding".


It is necessary to use Task Manager to kill the process to get out of 
it. Task Manager shows it is using a huge amount of memory (Over 1GB) 
while trying to load the site. I have never seen a site that is so 
totally incompatible with SeaMonkey, and this is a large corporation 
which makes it particularly egregious.


This is critical because the site will be allowing customers to sign up 
for Covid-19 vaccinations at local pharmacies within a few days.


This is not a recent problem. I have been using Firefox as an 
alternative. But now I get an email with a link to a location on this 
site for vaccine signup and I can't use it.


Jewel-Osco is part of the Safeway/Albertsons chain, and the email link 
actually points to a location on their site, which seems to be 
interconnected and has the same problem.


Here is that link:
https://click.email.safeway.com/?qs=e10b65d13a9b9d398e6144d2fe0737fc3111c383162265cda4969e284a29d815e7cfc1fcbc31cbbd7840ba3d1d758647eef30b7ce6211e885d5469b7c597d375 



I know SeaMonkey v2.53.6 was just released, but I'm not ready to try it 
just yet.


I have been using SeaMonkey for years but I'm running out of patience 
with it.


John


Two possible workarounds here:
1 - about:config and then modify 
general.useragent.compatMode.strict-firefox (you may well have to 
restart Seamonkey before the change becomes active).
2 - Right-Click on the link "Copy link location", feed it into Firefox - 
or some other browser.


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Re: Problem with Data Manager

[Don Spam's Reckless Son]

Daniel wrote:

Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote on 22/01/21 20:04:

Daniel wrote:

Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote on 22/01/21 08:44:

Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:

On 1/21/21 3:29 PM, Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:




Trying to access the same posting, the top-level one for this 
thread.
It is from 10 April 2020, 23:32 (my timezone, your mileage may 
vary).
This attempt is from another profile on another machine, one 
where I have previously replied to this very post myself.




Any help?



I had to get to messages 391-420 from the main archive to find it.


Thank you, that is exactly what I was looking for.
Is this some deficiency with Seamonkey's handling of large 
Newsgroups or has someone started deleting old messages?  I don't 
remember this happening back when I was using 2.49.4.


Answering my own question, I don't have this problem with 
mozilla.general of any of the lower-traffic newsgroups I'm using on 
this server.  It looks to me as though mozilla.support.seamonkey has 
lost most of its history.


Don, if I set my SM 2.49.1 to View -> Threads -> All, I can see that, 
at 17:14 (my time) 06/08/19, you replied in a thread in this 
newsgroup titled "Seamonkey mail ebay". Can you not see this??


I'm guessing there is only so much storage allocated to each 
newsgroup and once that space is full the messages are over-written.


Hmm! Perhaps if we snipped better, the older threads would last 
longer!! ;-P


And then, just as I was snipping my post, I see a reference to 
groups.google.com, maybe their storage is lessor than what mozilla 
allocate!!


Curious - I can see the posts in that thread.  Not just the headers, 
the content as well.
Now to your other hypothesis: I read/write these posts via Seamonkey 
Mail/News on the server news.mozilla.org.  My understanding is that 
this is the "primary", other News providers such as groups.google.com 
read and write to this server.


Yeap!! Same Same for me  and then there is the (whatever) function 
where you can receive all posts here in one great big daily e-mail! 
YUCK!! (IMHO, of course!!)


In Walt S48's first post yesterday he gave me a link to Google groups 
- it is in this mail, you did not snip it - and I confirmed to him - 
also in this mail, unsnipped - that his link worked and that the 
information I was looking for was there and had solved my problem.
In another of my posts in this thread I said that the mozilla.general 
newsgroup on the same server does not seem to suffer from the problem. 
There are actually more postings in Mozilla General than in this group 
although I filter+delete on several criteria there so I can't supply 
numbers.  Both are over 110 000.


I (recently) had to make a new account for this news server, so I show 
at 4,306 messages in moz.general verses 5,163 messages in moz.s.seamonkey


When you subscribe to a Newsgroup, the download is not initiated until 
you actually "go there".  If you then look at the "Server Settings for 
this account" you will see an option "Ask me before downloading more 
than 1500 messages".  In my experiments here I have started routinely 
disabling this option, even if you don't you can still say "I want them 
all" (or words to that effect).  It looks as though you have accepted 
some limit.
Of course it helps when you have a seriously fast internet connection, 
mine is something like 200Mb or 250Mb.


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.53.6 released!

[Don Spam's Reckless Son]

Cecil Bankston wrote:

Edmund Wong wrote:

Greetings,

The SeaMonkey Project is pleased to announce the release of SeaMonkey
2.53.6.

So please check out [1] or [2].

Thanks to all involved.

Edmund

PS: Yeah, somewhat a canned message.  Currently in the middle of a bunch
of things while doing release, so my apologies.

Links:
[1] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/2.53.6
[2] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.53.6/


I downloaded the X64 version for my Windows 10 system, but it doesn't 
run when I double-click or use Open or even when I run it as 
Administrator.  My Avast antivirus and an on-demand scan with 
MalwareBytes show the file is safe.  I switched to Edge to download it 
again in case my original download was corrupted, but Microsoft blocked 
the download, saying the file may harm my computer.





This is something which happens with every level now, although in my 
case the details were slightly different.

- I downloaded it using Seamonkey.
- Close Seamonkey.
- double click on the downloaded file, it will warn you that this is a 
BAAAD IDEA and you then have two options - backing out, or some other 
option which looks as though it could cause the file to be deleted.
- click that second option, it will then allow you to ignore their 
warnings and carry out the install.


All this is with Microsoft Defender as the virus scanner.
There is a central "security" setting on Windows 10 where the 
recommended value is to only install software from the Microsoft Store. 
I have changed that to permit software from anywhere, there are probably 
additional hurdles to jump of you stick to the "safe" default setting.


This posting is from memory, I did the install yesterday and was not 
taking notes.  Since my Windows 10 machine is dual-boot and I'm in Linux 
at the moment, I can't check the actual texts.


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