Hangouts

[Francois LE COAT]

Hi,

I have an iMac hosted with macOS Mojave, and SeaMonkey 2.49.5. I
have downloaded and installed the Hangouts plugin located at :



I would like to use Hangouts with SeaMonkey, but when I test it,
the plugin is locked ... I would like to know how to unlock it.
Hangouts is working with other navigators, but I would like to
use it in SeaMonkey. Is it working for someone else ? How ?

Thanks for any help.

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Re: Programmed Obsolescence

[Francois LE COAT]

Hi,

EE writes:

Francois LE COAT wrote:

Why versions of SeaMonkey are not available for Mac OS X 10.6.8 ? It's
called "Programmed Obsolescence" because there's nothing to explain !


I think that your only choice is to get Pale Moon.  It will work with
Snow Leopard.


Thanks for your advice I will test the browser. There's very few for SL.

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Re: Programmed Obsolescence

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Hi,

Ray_Net wrote:

Francois LE COAT wrote:

Chris Ilias writes:

Francois LE COAT wrote:

Why versions of SeaMonkey are not available for Mac OS X 10.6.8 ? It's
called "Programmed Obsolescence" because there's nothing to explain !


Hi Francois,
The underlying Mozilla code that SeaMonkey uses no longer supports macOS
10.6.


Well, it "free sofware" ! Why wouldn't it happen under GNU/Linux ? I've
bought the worse computer on earth ? Only Apple is concerned ! I'm sad.


Perhaps you need a more recent version of Mac OS X ?


Recent versions of Mac OS X are not intended for my hardware. It would
be awfully slow. I won't upgrade my OS version. I would lose all my
work on this computer, the Rosetta virtual machine, only 64bits
versions etc. I'm not living on this planet ! Apple and Pears ...

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Re: Programmed Obsolescence

[Francois LE COAT]

Hi Chris,

Chris Ilias writes:

Francois LE COAT wrote:

Why versions of SeaMonkey are not available for Mac OS X 10.6.8 ? It's
called "Programmed Obsolescence" because there's nothing to explain !



Hi Francois,
The underlying Mozilla code that SeaMonkey uses no longer supports macOS
10.6.


Well, it "free sofware" ! Why wouldn't it happen under GNU/Linux ? I've
bought the worse computer on earth ? Only Apple is concerned ! I'm sad.

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Programmed Obsolescence

[Francois LE COAT]

Hi,

Why versions of SeaMonkey are not available for Mac OS X 10.6.8 ? It's
called "Programmed Obsolescence" because there's nothing to explain !

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Re: How to unclock Hangouts plugin with SM 2.40

[Francois LE COAT]

Hi,

TCW writes:

Francois LE COAT wrote:

I'm using SeaMonkey 2.40 under Mac OS X 10.6.8 (Snow Leopard) and I've
installed the Hangouts plugin "GoogleVoiceAndVideoSetup.dmg" v.5.38.6.
The problem is the plugin is currently locked by SeaMonkey, and I don't
know how to unlock it... I know Hangouts works, because I used it a
few times, before SeaMonkey locked it. But now I can't use it anymore.

Can somebody help me?


I confirm I'm using SeaMonkey 2.40 on my 27" iMac mid-2010, and that
I don't know how to unlock the Google Talk plugin. I searched in
"about:config" section without success. How to unlock this plugin?


I searched in the "about:addons" section and both "Google Talk Plugin"
and "Google Talk Plugin Video Renderer" v.5.38.6 are "always activated".
When I want to open a Hangouts window, SeaMonkey 2.40 tells me :
"
Plug-in bloqué
Les plug-ins Google Talk sont nécessaires pour que vous puissiez passer
des appels dans Hangouts. Cliquez sur le bouton "Débloquer" ou "Faire
confiance" en haut du navigateur pour les activer. En savoir plus
"
I don't know what to do to unlock those plugins. Can you help me ?


It is not supported on Seamonkey, only earlier versions of Firefox.
Also, Google stopped developing this plugin in 2015. It is abandoned.

Since Google Voice and Video / Hangouts is essentially integrated into
Chrome/Chromium, I'd suggest using Portable Chromium if you need that
functionality
(https://sourceforge.net/projects/osxportableapps/files/Chromium/).
Nothing to install, self contained and you can use it only when you need
it.


Thanks for these advices. Because Skype will no longer be supported
under Mac OS X Snow Leopard, I am searching an alternative to it.
Maybe Hangouts is not the best replacement for it. The best way to
use it except as a navigator plugin may be a standalone application.

I will investigate ...

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Re: How to unclock Hangouts plugin with SM 2.40

[Francois LE COAT]

Hi,

Francois LE COAT writes:

I'm using SeaMonkey 2.40 under Mac OS X 10.6.8 (Snow Leopard) and I've
installed the Hangouts plugin "GoogleVoiceAndVideoSetup.dmg" v.5.38.6.
The problem is the plugin is currently locked by SeaMonkey, and I don't
know how to unlock it... I know Hangouts works, because I used it a
few times, before SeaMonkey locked it. But now I can't use it anymore.

Can somebody help me?


I confirm I'm using SeaMonkey 2.40 on my 27" iMac mid-2010, and that
I don't know how to unlock the Google Talk plugin. I searched in
"about:config" section without success. How to unlock this plugin?


I searched in the "about:addons" section and both "Google Talk Plugin"
and "Google Talk Plugin Video Renderer" v.5.38.6 are "always activated".
When I want to open a Hangouts window, SeaMonkey 2.40 tells me :
"
Plug-in bloqué
Les plug-ins Google Talk sont nécessaires pour que vous puissiez passer
des appels dans Hangouts. Cliquez sur le bouton "Débloquer" ou "Faire
confiance" en haut du navigateur pour les activer. En savoir plus
"
I don't know what to do to unlock those plugins. Can you help me ?

Thanks.

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Re: How to unclock Hangouts plugin with SM 2.40

[Francois LE COAT]

Hi,

Francois LE COAT writes:

I'm using SeaMonkey 2.40 under Mac OS X 10.6.8 (Snow Leopard) and I've
installed the Hangouts plugin "GoogleVoiceAndVideoSetup.dmg" v.5.38.6.
The problem is the plugin is currently locked by SeaMonkey, and I don't
know how to unlock it... I know Hangouts works, because I used it a
few times, before SeaMonkey locked it. But now I can't use it anymore.

Can somebody help me?


I confirm I'm using SeaMonkey 2.40 on my 27" iMac mid-2010, and that
I don't know how to unlock the Google Talk plugin. I searched in
"about:config" section without success. How to unlock this plugin?

Thanks.

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How to unclock Hangout plugin with SM 2.46

[Francois LE COAT]

Hi,

I'm using SeaMonkey 2.46 under Mac OS X 10.6.8 (Snow Leopard) and I've
installed the Hangout plugin "GoogleVoiceAndVideoSetup.dmg" v.5.38.6.
The problem is the plugin is currently locked by SeaMonkey, and I don't
know how to unlock it ... I know Hangout works, because I used it a
few time, before SeaMonkey locked it. But now I can't use it anymore.

Can somebody help me ?

Thanks.

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Re: SeaMonkey from Ubuntuzilla

[Francois LE COAT]

Hi,

Yamo' writes:

Francois LE COAT writes:

With E-mail, when you want to login an account, there's no way
because the password box is reduced to 2 pixels height. When you
want to navigate, the backward and forward arrows are not active.


May you have the 2.33.1 langpack and not the 2.35?


That was the problem. I had the old version of the French language pack.
I restarted SeaMonkey 2.35 in safe mode, then installed the new French
language pack, and started SeaMonkey again. Now I use 2.35 version under
Kubuntu 14.04 LTS successfully. The problem was only the language pack.

Thanks for your reply,

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Re: SeaMonkey from Ubuntuzilla

[Francois LE COAT]

Hi,

NoOp writes:

Francois LE COAT wrote:

NoOp writes:

Francois LE COAT wrote:

Petr Voralek writes:

  Hello!

 On Thursday, 10.09.2015 12:25(+0200) *Francois Le Coat* wrote, and I
quote (in part):


The problem is that I don't know how to get the 2.33.1 version
of SeaMonkey, getting it from Ubuntuzilla SourceForge site ?
Does somebody knows the path to 2.33.1 version from Ubuntuzilla ?


 On the SF web are the following links:

http://sourceforge.net/projects/ubuntuzilla/files/mozilla/apt/pool/main/s/seamonkey-mozilla-build/seamonkey-mozilla-build_2.33.1-0ubuntu1_i386.deb/download

http://sourceforge.net/projects/ubuntuzilla/files/mozilla/apt/pool/main/s/seamonkey-mozilla-build/seamonkey-mozilla-build_2.33.1-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb/download

 But primarily -- do You tried first, if it can not be installed via
standard apt way?

What is the output of the command:
$ apt-cache search --names-only seamonkey


 Disclaimer: I am not a (k)ubuntu, or ubuntuzilla user.


Thanks a lot for your answer :-)

Reverting the update with Synaptic under Kubuntu 14.04 LTS worked. Now
I have a 2.33.1 version of SeaMonkey working perfectly. I also blocked
the version number, so that I will wait for a following package update.

I don't know why, but the 2.35 version is unusable for me ...


What do you mean "2.35 version is unusable for me"? What problems did
you have with 2.35?


It's very hard to describe because English is not my mother-tongue.
With E-mail, when you want to login an account, there's no way
because the password box is reduced to 2 pixels height. When you
want to navigate, the backward and forward arrows are not active.
Etc. I passed the 2.35 version, and I don't want to see it anymore.

Someone under Mageia 5 described the same broken version in French :

<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/fr.comp.usenet.lecteurs-de-news/2WjiYhPXzxw>

That's very strange behavior under GNU/Linux is not the case with OS X.
I use SeaMonkey 2.35 under OS X without any problem. The broken version
maybe either caused by French version or depends on its integration to
KDE. Bad experiences happened for French, and under Kubuntu and Mageia.

I wish I'll never have such a broken version ...


Wow, he even tried with the version from SeaMonkey (translated from Google):


I waited for weeks to update to 2.33 Iceape
2.35. Today the 5 Mageia finally proposes, I hasten to comply and
is the cata: In the browser all my bookmarks are gone and
no way to reopen the windows and tabs from the previous session. In
messaging, can not enter the address of a recipient, the cursor
refuses to appear in the "To:" and "Subject" field is
reduced to the stub status. (About two pixels high).
I tried the version of Seamonkey 2.35 direct from at Mozilla,
installed in / opt: Idem.
To use my mail reader and news writing this
post, I had to reinstall the rpm of the 2.33 release. Phew, I had
hot, everything works again as before!
Someone else he has the same problem? How to solve it?
Thank you in advance for your advice, explanations and suggestions.


I've not had any such issues in Ubuntu 14.04 or 15.04. Perhaps a
language pack issue? Do you have a language pack installed? If so, can
you please try just running directly and without a language pack?


Yes. That was caused by the language pack version. I had to restart in
safe mode, install the latest version of the language pack, and then
restart. I now use SeaMonkey 2.35 under Kubuntu 14.04 LTS successfully.

Thanks for your help,

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SeaMonkey from Ubuntuzilla

[Francois LE COAT]

Hi,

I'm on a Vaio hosting Kubuntu 14.04 LTS, and the latest release
of SeaMonkey 2.35 doesn't work for me at all ... Somebody else
reported a similar problem under Mageia 5. The solution is to
reverse the update, dis-installing the 2.35, installing the
2.33.1 version and blocking the version to 2.33.1 with Synaptic.

The problem is that I don't know how to get the 2.33.1 version
of SeaMonkey, getting it from Ubuntuzilla SourceForge site ?
Does somebody knows the path to 2.33.1 version from Ubuntuzilla ?

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Re: SeaMonkey from Ubuntuzilla

[Francois LE COAT]

Hi Petr,

Petr Voralek writes:

Hello!

   On Thursday, 10.09.2015 12:25(+0200) *Francois Le Coat* wrote, and I
quote (in part):


The problem is that I don't know how to get the 2.33.1 version
of SeaMonkey, getting it from Ubuntuzilla SourceForge site ?
Does somebody knows the path to 2.33.1 version from Ubuntuzilla ?


   On the SF web are the following links:

http://sourceforge.net/projects/ubuntuzilla/files/mozilla/apt/pool/main/s/seamonkey-mozilla-build/seamonkey-mozilla-build_2.33.1-0ubuntu1_i386.deb/download

http://sourceforge.net/projects/ubuntuzilla/files/mozilla/apt/pool/main/s/seamonkey-mozilla-build/seamonkey-mozilla-build_2.33.1-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb/download

   But primarily -- do You tried first, if it can not be installed via
standard apt way?

What is the output of the command:
$ apt-cache search --names-only seamonkey


   Disclaimer: I am not a (k)ubuntu, or ubuntuzilla user.


Thanks a lot for your answer :-)

Reverting the update with Synaptic under Kubuntu 14.04 LTS worked. Now
I have a 2.33.1 version of SeaMonkey working perfectly. I also blocked
the version number, so that I will wait for a following package update.

I don't know why, but the 2.35 version is unusable for me ...

Thanks again, it helped a lot.

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Re: SeaMonkey from Ubuntuzilla

[Francois LE COAT]

Hi,

NoOp writes:

Francois LE COAT wrote:

Petr Voralek writes:

 Hello!

On Thursday, 10.09.2015 12:25(+0200) *Francois Le Coat* wrote, and I
quote (in part):


The problem is that I don't know how to get the 2.33.1 version
of SeaMonkey, getting it from Ubuntuzilla SourceForge site ?
Does somebody knows the path to 2.33.1 version from Ubuntuzilla ?


On the SF web are the following links:

http://sourceforge.net/projects/ubuntuzilla/files/mozilla/apt/pool/main/s/seamonkey-mozilla-build/seamonkey-mozilla-build_2.33.1-0ubuntu1_i386.deb/download

http://sourceforge.net/projects/ubuntuzilla/files/mozilla/apt/pool/main/s/seamonkey-mozilla-build/seamonkey-mozilla-build_2.33.1-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb/download

But primarily -- do You tried first, if it can not be installed via
standard apt way?

What is the output of the command:
$ apt-cache search --names-only seamonkey


Disclaimer: I am not a (k)ubuntu, or ubuntuzilla user.


Thanks a lot for your answer :-)

Reverting the update with Synaptic under Kubuntu 14.04 LTS worked. Now
I have a 2.33.1 version of SeaMonkey working perfectly. I also blocked
the version number, so that I will wait for a following package update.

I don't know why, but the 2.35 version is unusable for me ...


What do you mean "2.35 version is unusable for me"? What problems did
you have with 2.35?


It's very hard to describe because English is not my mother-tongue.
With E-mail, when you want to login an account, there's no way
because the password box is reduced to 2 pixels height. When you
want to navigate, the backward and forward arrows are not active.
Etc. I passed the 2.35 version, and I don't want to see it anymore.

Someone under Mageia 5 described the same broken version in French :

<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/fr.comp.usenet.lecteurs-de-news/2WjiYhPXzxw>

That's very strange behavior under GNU/Linux is not the case with OS X.
I use SeaMonkey 2.35 under OS X without any problem. The broken version
maybe either caused by French version or depends on its integration to
KDE. Bad experiences happened for French, and under Kubuntu and Mageia.

I wish I'll never have such a broken version ...

Thanks for your help,

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.29 doesn't start

[Francois LE COAT]

Hi,

In facts, I found the solution ...

You should type about:addons in the address bar. Then un-install
the French language pack.

When it is un-installed, you can operate the update of SeaMonkey 2.29.1.
I'm now using SeaMonkey 2.29.1, without any language pack installed.

Some addons were blocking SeaMonkey 2.29 and 2.29.1 installation.

Ray_Net writes:

Francois LE COAT wrote, On 12/09/2014 14:35:

I have installed the French language pack from the following URL :

ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/releases/2.26/langpack/seamonkey-2.26.fr.langpack.xpi

with the 2.26 version of SeaMonkey, if I remember well.


Have you installed
ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/releases/2.29/langpack/seamonkey-2.29.fr.langpack.xpi

with the 2.29 version of SeaMonkey ?


I'm sorry ... I couldn't have installed this version of language pack,
because SeaMonkey 2.29 is not even starting. There's only a box, with
an error message, as I reported in this thread. I don't have access
to SeaMonkey 2.29 ... Do you understand ? It is updated, and it fails.

As far as I understood, French localized version of SeaMonkey 2.29
is only working for Microsoft Windows users. It doesn't work for
me neither under OS X 10.6.8, nor Kubuntu 14.04 GNU/Linux.

SeaMonkey 2.29 is a bad update, that I have to cancel back to 2.26.

I hope you're understanding ? There's a problem with the parser :-(


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.29 doesn't start [SOLVED]

[Francois LE COAT]

Hi,

Ho yes. The installation of the language pack for 2.29.1 works great.

Ray_Net writes:

Did you try now that all is ok to install your French Language pack :
ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/releases/2.29.1/langpack/seamonkey-2.29.1.fr.langpack.xpi

?

Francois LE COAT wrote, On 27/09/2014 19:34:

In facts, I found the solution ...

You should type about:addons in the address bar. Then un-install
the French language pack.

When it is un-installed, you can operate the update of SeaMonkey 2.29.1.
I'm now using SeaMonkey 2.29.1, without any language pack installed.

Some addons were blocking SeaMonkey 2.29 and 2.29.1 installation.

Ray_Net writes:

Francois LE COAT wrote, On 12/09/2014 14:35:

I have installed the French language pack from the following URL :

ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/releases/2.26/langpack/seamonkey-2.26.fr.langpack.xpi


with the 2.26 version of SeaMonkey, if I remember well.


Have you installed
ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/releases/2.29/langpack/seamonkey-2.29.fr.langpack.xpi


with the 2.29 version of SeaMonkey ?


I'm sorry ... I couldn't have installed this version of language pack,
because SeaMonkey 2.29 is not even starting. There's only a box, with
an error message, as I reported in this thread. I don't have access
to SeaMonkey 2.29 ... Do you understand ? It is updated, and it fails.

As far as I understood, French localized version of SeaMonkey 2.29
is only working for Microsoft Windows users. It doesn't work for
me neither under OS X 10.6.8, nor Kubuntu 14.04 GNU/Linux.

SeaMonkey 2.29 is a bad update, that I have to cancel back to 2.26.

I hope you're understanding ? There's a problem with the parser :-(


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.29 doesn't start

[Francois LE COAT]

Hi,

I'm not the only one having this problem with 2.29 bad version of SM. It
was also reported here (in French):

http://forums.mozfr.org/viewtopic.php?t=119764p=766938

and it has no solution, yet, except downgrading to SeaMonkey 2.26.

Francois LE COAT writes:

I have installed the French language pack from the following URL :

ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/releases/2.26/langpack/seamonkey-2.26.fr.langpack.xpi

with the 2.26 version of SeaMonkey, if I remember well.

Justin Wood (Callek) writes:

Do you have a langpack installed and this is the result of using a
langpack?

Did you get this from your package manager/distro or from us?

~Justin Wood (Callek)

On 9/11/2014 10:36 AM, Francois LE COAT wrote:

Hi,

Today Kubuntu 14.04 updated SeaMonkey from 2.26.1 to 2.29, but starting

Erreur d'analyse XML : entité non définie
Emplacement : chrome://navigator/content/navigator.xul
Numéro de ligne 142, Colonne 7 :  menuitem id=viewSecurityInfo
--^

it fails, with an error window, and the above message. Then I had to

# dpkg -i seamonkey-mozilla-build_2.26.1-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb
dpkg : avertissement : dégradation (« downgrade ») de
seamonkey-mozilla-build depuis 2.29-0ubuntu1 vers 2.26.1-0ubuntu1
(Lecture de la base de données... 284063 fichiers et répertoires déjà
installés.)
Préparation du décompactage de
seamonkey-mozilla-build_2.26.1-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb ...
Décompactage de seamonkey-mozilla-build (2.26.1-0ubuntu1) sur
(2.29-0ubuntu1) ...
Paramétrage de seamonkey-mozilla-build (2.26.1-0ubuntu1) ...
Traitement déclenché pour  desktop-file-utils (0.22-1ubuntu1) ...
Traitement déclenché pour  mime-support (3.54ubuntu1) ...

downgrade to 2.26.1, and it works. But the upgrade center always
proposes me the same non-working 2.29 version. Please notice that the
exact same message also appears under OS X 10.6.8, with 2 machines.
I have a French localized version of SeaMonkey.

Is there something I can do ?


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.29 doesn't start

[Francois LE COAT]

Hi,

Ray_Net writes:

Francois LE COAT wrote, On 12/09/2014 14:35:

I have installed the French language pack from the following URL :

ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/releases/2.26/langpack/seamonkey-2.26.fr.langpack.xpi

with the 2.26 version of SeaMonkey, if I remember well.


Have you installed
ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/releases/2.29/langpack/seamonkey-2.29.fr.langpack.xpi

with the 2.29 version of SeaMonkey ?


I'm sorry ... I couldn't have installed this version of language pack,
because SeaMonkey 2.29 is not even starting. There's only a box, with
an error message, as I reported in this thread. I don't have access
to SeaMonkey 2.29 ... Do you understand ? It is updated, and it fails.

As far as I understood, French localized version of SeaMonkey 2.29
is only working for Microsoft Windows users. It doesn't work for
me neither under OS X 10.6.8, nor Kubuntu 14.04 GNU/Linux.

SeaMonkey 2.29 is a bad update, that I have to cancel back to 2.26.

I hope you're understanding ? There's a problem with the parser :-(

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.29 doesn't start

[Francois LE COAT]

Hi,

I have installed the French language pack from the following URL :

ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/releases/2.26/langpack/seamonkey-2.26.fr.langpack.xpi

with the 2.26 version of SeaMonkey, if I remember well.

Justin Wood (Callek) writes:

Do you have a langpack installed and this is the result of using a
langpack?

Did you get this from your package manager/distro or from us?

~Justin Wood (Callek)

On 9/11/2014 10:36 AM, Francois LE COAT wrote:

Hi,

Today Kubuntu 14.04 updated SeaMonkey from 2.26.1 to 2.29, but starting

Erreur d'analyse XML : entité non définie
Emplacement : chrome://navigator/content/navigator.xul
Numéro de ligne 142, Colonne 7 :  menuitem id=viewSecurityInfo
--^

it fails, with an error window, and the above message. Then I had to

# dpkg -i seamonkey-mozilla-build_2.26.1-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb
dpkg : avertissement : dégradation (« downgrade ») de
seamonkey-mozilla-build depuis 2.29-0ubuntu1 vers 2.26.1-0ubuntu1
(Lecture de la base de données... 284063 fichiers et répertoires déjà
installés.)
Préparation du décompactage de
seamonkey-mozilla-build_2.26.1-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb ...
Décompactage de seamonkey-mozilla-build (2.26.1-0ubuntu1) sur
(2.29-0ubuntu1) ...
Paramétrage de seamonkey-mozilla-build (2.26.1-0ubuntu1) ...
Traitement déclenché pour  desktop-file-utils (0.22-1ubuntu1) ...
Traitement déclenché pour  mime-support (3.54ubuntu1) ...

downgrade to 2.26.1, and it works. But the upgrade center always
proposes me the same non-working 2.29 version. Please notice that the
exact same message also appears under OS X 10.6.8, with 2 machines.
I have a French localized version of SeaMonkey.

Is there something I can do ?


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SeaMonkey 2.29 doesn't start

[Francois LE COAT]

Hi,

Today Kubuntu 14.04 updated SeaMonkey from 2.26.1 to 2.29, but starting

Erreur d'analyse XML : entité non définie
Emplacement : chrome://navigator/content/navigator.xul
Numéro de ligne 142, Colonne 7 :  menuitem id=viewSecurityInfo
--^

it fails, with an error window, and the above message. Then I had to

# dpkg -i seamonkey-mozilla-build_2.26.1-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb
dpkg : avertissement : dégradation (« downgrade ») de 
seamonkey-mozilla-build depuis 2.29-0ubuntu1 vers 2.26.1-0ubuntu1
(Lecture de la base de données... 284063 fichiers et répertoires déjà 
installés.)
Préparation du décompactage de 
seamonkey-mozilla-build_2.26.1-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb ...
Décompactage de seamonkey-mozilla-build (2.26.1-0ubuntu1) sur 
(2.29-0ubuntu1) ...

Paramétrage de seamonkey-mozilla-build (2.26.1-0ubuntu1) ...
Traitement déclenché pour  desktop-file-utils (0.22-1ubuntu1) ...
Traitement déclenché pour  mime-support (3.54ubuntu1) ...

downgrade to 2.26.1, and it works. But the upgrade center always
proposes me the same non-working 2.29 version. Please notice that the
exact same message also appears under OS X 10.6.8, with 2 machines.
I have a French localized version of SeaMonkey.

Is there something I can do ?

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Re: Fwd: Character encoding since v.2.26

[Francois LE COAT]

Hi,

Hartmut Figge writes:

Let us look into about:config with the filter charset. Near the end is a
pref which looks promising. mailnews.force_charset_override. It is set
to false here. If it is set to true on your machine, we should have
found the culprit.


I've set :
mailnews.force_charset_override;false without better results.

I also downloaded and installed SeaMonkey 2.26 from the following site

http://www.frenchmozilla.fr/seamonkey.php

http://download.mozilla.org/?product=seamonkey-2.26os=osxlang=fr

including the linguistic package 2.26 (xpi) :

ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/releases/2.26/langpack/seamonkey-2.26.fr.langpack.xpi

I always have problems with UTF-8 character encoding. Is there something
else I can do ? Is there somebody else using accentuated languages ?

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Re: Fwd: Character encoding since v.2.26

[Francois LE COAT]

Hi,

Hartmut Figge writes:

Francois LE COAT:

I've set :
mailnews.force_charset_override;false without better results.


Works here. Hm.


I also downloaded and installed SeaMonkey 2.26 from the following site

http://www.frenchmozilla.fr/seamonkey.php

http://download.mozilla.org/?product=seamonkey-2.26os=osxlang=fr

including the linguistic package 2.26 (xpi) :

ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/releases/2.26/langpack/seamonkey-2.26.fr.langpack.xpi


The problem is your profile, not your SM.


Please notice that I use SeaMonkey 2.26, with two different machines,
a Vaio and Macintosh, with two different OSes, Kubuntu 14.04 and
OS X 10.6.8, and two different profiles, and there's the same problem
with UTF-8 character encoding. The problem occurs with plain text
messages, but also when I receive HTML formated messages.

If I set View-Character Encoding to Unicode it displays correctly.

The problem must be somewhere in the default configuration of SM,
or a bug detecting the UTF-8 character encoding.


I always have problems with UTF-8 character encoding. Is there something
else I can do ?


Yes. Start your SM in safe mode. Easiest way to this is by choosing
'Restart with Add-ons Disabled' from the top Help menu. Or you could
start SM with the parameter -safe-mode. Then press 'Continue in Safe
Mode' without checking any of the boxes.


That sounds very radical. I'm afraid I could corrupt my data.


Is there somebody else using accentuated languages ?


Not here, but i am using umlauts. ;)


Ho, yes ! I always use ccdile because my name contains this character =)

Many thanks for your help,

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Re: Fwd: Character encoding since v.2.26

[Francois LE COAT]

Hi,

Hartmut Figge writes:

Francois LE COAT:

I've set :
mailnews.force_charset_override;false without better results.


Works here. Hm.


That works finally !
The only thing is that I have to restart SeaMonkey after the setting.

When I view a UTF-8 message, it is now correctly displayed, as if
I've checked View-Character Encoding to Unicode. As I understood,
the message character encoding is not overridden ...

Many thanks for your help,

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Re: Fwd: Character encoding since v.2.26 [SOLVED]

[Francois LE COAT]

Hi,

WaltS48 write:

Francois LE COAT wrote:

Hartmut Figge writes:

Francois LE COAT:

I've set :
mailnews.force_charset_override;false without better results.


Works here. Hm.


That works finally !
The only thing is that I have to restart SeaMonkey after the setting.

When I view a UTF-8 message, it is now correctly displayed, as if
I've checked View-Character Encoding to Unicode. As I understood,
the message character encoding is not overridden ...


Glad you resolved your issue.


Yes. Hartmut Figge helped a lot to find out what was wrong with
character encoding. Now posts on the Usenet are correctly
displayed, and a lot of messages in my email inbox also.

I always had to correct accentuation when I replied to messages.


 Why was it set to True?


It is a default configuration of SeaMonkey 2.26. I never had
to modify the default configuration before that. That was
causing big troubles reading every days messages, indeed.

Many thanks for your patience. That helped a lot using SeaMonkey.

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Re: Fwd: Character encoding since v.2.26 [SOLVED]

[Francois LE COAT]

Hi,

Paul B. Gallagher writes:

Of course, I can't say what the French localized version might do.


Maybe the problem only occurs with French localization of SeaMonkey.
The problem with the accentuation only occurred since version 2.26.

I got French localized version from http://frenchmozilla.sf.net/

I apologize if I've been a little irritated. I was really angry about
SeaMonkey 2.26, because I thought something was corrupted. It's not.

A few French SeaMonkey users around me will appreciate the solution =)

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Fwd: Character encoding since v.2.26

[Francois LE COAT]

Hi,

Francois LE COAT writes :
 I've used successively Mosaic, Netscape, Mozilla then SeaMonkey
 for exactly 20 years on the Usenet today. I never had to complain,
 since SeaMonkey 2.26 appeared ... Well, the character encoding
 is working or not, you never can tell ... Sometimes accents
 in French are correct, sometimes they're not, randomly. I understood
 that a bug was supposed to be fixed with SeaMonkey 2.26 version. But
 in facts, character encoding is not working correctly whatever type
 of message you're sending, via SMTP, NNTP etc.

 Is this a known issue ? That's rather embarrassing, really.

In facts, the problem that still persists with SeaMonkey 2.26.1
with the French accentuation, is a problem with the UTF-8 encoding.

I can't read or reply to messages that use the UTF-8 character
encoding. It doesn't depend on the host system under which SeaMonkey
is installed, because I had to face the same problem with OS X 10.6.8
and Kubuntu Linux 14.04, with SeaMonkey 2.26.1. I adopted the
ISO-8859-15 character encoding, because UTF-8 has a visible bug.

That's a major problem, because UTF-8 is set by default with SeaMonkey.

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Re: Fwd: Character encoding since v.2.26

[Francois LE COAT]

Hi,

Thanks for your answer.

Paul B. Gallagher writes :

Francois LE COAT wrote:

I've used successively Mosaic, Netscape, Mozilla then SeaMonkey
for exactly 20 years on the Usenet today. I never had to complain,
since SeaMonkey 2.26 appeared ... Well, the character encoding
is working or not, you never can tell ... Sometimes accents
in French are correct, sometimes they're not, randomly. I understood
that a bug was supposed to be fixed with SeaMonkey 2.26 version. But
in facts, character encoding is not working correctly whatever type
of message you're sending, via SMTP, NNTP etc.

Is this a known issue ? That's rather embarrassing, really.


In facts, the problem that still persists with SeaMonkey 2.26.1
with the French accentuation, is a problem with the UTF-8 encoding.

I can't read or reply to messages that use the UTF-8 character
encoding. It doesn't depend on the host system under which SeaMonkey
is installed, because I had to face the same problem with OS X 10.6.8
and Kubuntu Linux 14.04, with SeaMonkey 2.26.1. I adopted the
ISO-8859-15 character encoding, because UTF-8 has a visible bug.

That's a major problem, because UTF-8 is set by default with SeaMonkey.


I've never had the problem you describe, so I wonder if it's a pref you
set in your profile. What happens if you create a fresh profile?


I don't want to lose my messages, creating a profile. I'm not expert.
Anyway, I'm using SeaMonkey 2.26.1 with two different operating systems.


On my systems, Unicode just works. Period.


The problem with UTF-8 encoding happens when you talk in French forums.
Because I register to some newsgroups on the Usenet, I frequently
have the problem with users adopting the UTF-8 character encoding,
and using accentuation. Of course it is not a problem here. Every
accent is badly displayed with 2 unreadable characters, in the message,
and when I reply to the corresponding message, I have to rewrite it.

This happen since the following bug was corrected :

Fixes in Beta 1
The en-US locale now defaults to UTF-8 for outgoing emails (bug 941545).

at http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.26/changes

It happens on the Usenet, but also when receiving or sending emails
with a SMTP server, whatever host system I use (OS X, Linux ...)

I don't know if it's a known issue, but it is embarrassing for foreign
users of SeaMonkey like me, using accentuated languages.

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Re: Fwd: Character encoding since v.2.26

[Francois LE COAT]

Hi,

Hartmut Figge writes :

Francois LE COAT:

The problem with UTF-8 encoding happens when you talk in French forums.
Because I register to some newsgroups on the Usenet, I frequently
have the problem with users adopting the UTF-8 character encoding,
and using accentuation. Of course it is not a problem here. Every
accent is badly displayed with 2 unreadable characters, in the message,
and when I reply to the corresponding message, I have to rewrite it.

This happen since the following bug was corrected :

Fixes in Beta 1
The en-US locale now defaults to UTF-8 for outgoing emails (bug 941545).

at http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.26/changes

It happens on the Usenet, but also when receiving or sending emails
with a SMTP server, whatever host system I use (OS X, Linux ...)


I will write some chars with accents é Ú ê and try to send this message
as utf-8 via Options-Character Encodings. Not sure about the success
though because of recent changes to SM.

Examples can be very useful. Do you see the problem in the first line of
my writing?

Hartmut


You wrote I will write some chars with accents ... And 3 separated
characters I can't read following. That's a problem I often have
since I installed SeaMonkey 2.26. I often have to guess what is the
other user meaning, erase the characters, and correct the message.

This is really embarrassing using accentuated languages, like French.
And UTF-8 is a very commonly used character encoding on the Usenet.

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Re: Fwd: Character encoding since v.2.26

[Francois LE COAT]

Hi,

Hartmut Figge writes:

Francois LE COAT:

You wrote I will write some chars with accents ... And 3 separated
characters I can't read following.


You should have seen http://www.triffids.de/pub/screenshot/sm140705.png


That's not what I'm reading. There's 3 series of 2 unreadable characters.


That's a problem I often have since I installed SeaMonkey 2.26. I
often have to guess what is the other user meaning, erase the
characters, and correct the message.


Now we and others who want to chime in have an example to concentrate
on. Step by step.

First, under Edit-Preferences-Appearance-Fonts set 'Fonts for:' to
Unicode. What font to you have for Monospace? Is '[ ] Allow documents to
use other fonts' checked?


Here's the box in current state http://eureka.atari.org/sm20140705.png
Is there something I can do in this box ? Please ? You're welcome.

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Re: Fwd: Character encoding since v.2.26

[Francois LE COAT]

Hi,

Hartmut Figge writes:

Hrm. I have to guess from my half forgotten knowledge of Latin. *g*
Occidental should correspond to Western. You should have selected
Unicode. Assuming Unicode means also Unicode in French. :)


That's right. I can select Unicode in French in this box.


But that doesn't matter anymore. Dennis was more attentive than me and
has pointed to the solution. I am assuming now that you also see the
unreadable chars in this way:
http://www.triffids.de/pub/screenshot/sm140705-3.png


That's true. That's what I'm reading.


I hadn't noticed that before Dennis mentioned it. It looked like utf-8
displayed as iso-8859-x. You can verify by yourself. Select my message
with the unreadable chars, go to View-Character Encoding and choose
unicode. The result should be readable chars.


Setting View-Character Encoding to Unicode displays it correctly.


Repeat that with your
reply to my message and the chars should also be ok.


That's correct. Unicode is already checked, but when I select it twice
the characters are then correctly displayed. But in this case the ç
character from my signature (François LE COAT) appears as a unique
unreadable character (a sort of diamond with a question-mark).


You have made a selection to force SM to ignore the charset of a message
and to use iso-8859-15 instead. Where? There is a problem.


I don't know myself.


The handling for chars was changed recently for SM in Trunk and there
are still bugs. I am hesitating to use an older SM and am hoping, you
can find the selection yourself. :-D


Well, but it is not easy reading messages, and select View-Character 
Encoding-Unicode for every message ? You suggested me to select

Unicode, that is a synonymous variant of UTF-8, though my encoding
character is ISO-8859-15. Isn't there an incoherency ? I'm confused.

The situation hasn't be so complicated since I installed SM 2.26 =(

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