Re: W3C compliance: a novel response

[P. H. Madore]

So much this.

*phm* 

On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 2:18 PM, Lee  wrote:

> On 3/11/17, Paul B. Gallagher  wrote:
> > When I complained about bad browser sniffing at one of my favorite
> > websites:
> >
> >> I've never understood why web designers prefer to waste time writing
> >> several custom versions of their code for several different browsers
> >> instead of just writing one W3C-compliant version, but whatever.
> >> I'll just keep dismissing the useless nag and go on about my life.
> >
> > tech support wrote back:
> >
> >> The reason why websites tend not to be W3C-compliant is that while
> >> it may be optimal to do so, it is very costly and takes up a lot of
> >> resources.
> >>
> >> Unfortunately, we currently do not have sufficient resources to do
> >> so yet. But we'll definitely aim towards improving it and making it
> >> more accessible to everyone.
> >>
> >> Sorry for the inconvenience. If you have any other questions, please
> >> let me know!
> >
> > First time I've heard that one -- it's more expensive to write
> > W3C-compliant code than to write several custom versions for supported
> > browsers.
>
> It's probably cheaper to hire three adequate developers than one good one.
>
> Lee
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Re: Cannot compile 2.46

[P. H. Madore]

I think for the 2.40 upgrade, the binary ran without issues.

*phm* <http://phmadore.com>

On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 4:19 AM, Frank-Rainer Grahl <f...@gmx.com> wrote:

> Did you compile 2.40 before you tried 2.46? Compiling it needs a specifc
> configuration file in the source directory. Either mozconfig or .mozconfig
> need to be there.
>
> FRG
>
> P. H. Madore wrote:
>
>> Here is moz.configure:
>>
>> # -*- Mode: python; c-basic-offset: 4; indent-tabs-mode: nil; tab-width:
>> 40
>> -*-
>> # vim: set filetype=python:
>> # This Source Code Form is subject to the terms of the Mozilla Public
>> # License, v. 2.0. If a copy of the MPL was not distributed with this
>> # file, You can obtain one at http://mozilla.org/MPL/2.0/.
>>
>> include('mozilla/moz.configure')
>>
>> I don't see a file called .mozconfig.
>>
>> I also did not check out anything, I only downloaded the source tarball
>> from Seamonkey-Project.org
>>
>> *phm* <http://phmadore.com>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 1:04 AM, Frank-Rainer Grahl <f...@gmx.com> wrote:
>>
>> configure: error: cannot determine icu version number from uvernum.h
>>>>> header file
>>>>>
>>>>
>>> Post you .mozconfig file. It looks like it probably tries to use the icu
>>> system filens and not the ones provided in the mozilla tree. Did you do a
>>> make client.mk checkout in the 2.46 comm-release dir?
>>>
>>> FRG
>>>
>>> P. H. Madore wrote:
>>>
>>> This is a new issue for me. I was using 2.40 until today. Now I can't use
>>>> anything. Something about "old-configure." Here is the complete
>>>> configuration log:
>>>>
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Re: Cannot compile 2.46

[P. H. Madore]

Here is moz.configure:

# -*- Mode: python; c-basic-offset: 4; indent-tabs-mode: nil; tab-width: 40
-*-
# vim: set filetype=python:
# This Source Code Form is subject to the terms of the Mozilla Public
# License, v. 2.0. If a copy of the MPL was not distributed with this
# file, You can obtain one at http://mozilla.org/MPL/2.0/.

include('mozilla/moz.configure')

I don't see a file called .mozconfig.

I also did not check out anything, I only downloaded the source tarball
from Seamonkey-Project.org

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On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 1:04 AM, Frank-Rainer Grahl <f...@gmx.com> wrote:

> >> configure: error: cannot determine icu version number from uvernum.h
> >> header file
>
> Post you .mozconfig file. It looks like it probably tries to use the icu
> system filens and not the ones provided in the mozilla tree. Did you do a
> make client.mk checkout in the 2.46 comm-release dir?
>
> FRG
>
> P. H. Madore wrote:
>
>> This is a new issue for me. I was using 2.40 until today. Now I can't use
>> anything. Something about "old-configure." Here is the complete
>> configuration log:
>>
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Re: Cannot compile 2.46

[P. H. Madore]

I'm not sure what my mozconfig is like. How do I find out? I hadn't had
this problem before.

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On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 7:45 PM, Edmund Wong <ew...@pw-wspx.org> wrote:

> P. H. Madore wrote:
> > This is a new issue for me. I was using 2.40 until today. Now I can't use
> > anything. Something about "old-configure." Here is the complete
> > configuration log:
> >
>
> How are you building 2.46?
>
> Furthermore, what's the contents of:
>
> /home/phm/Downloads/seamonkey-2.46.source/seamonkey-2.46/
> mozilla/intl/icu/source/common/unicode/uvernum.h?
>
> As I understand it, if it doesn't find your system's ICU libs,
> it uses the in-source one.
>
> What's your mozconfig like?
>
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Cannot compile 2.46

[P. H. Madore]

This is a new issue for me. I was using 2.40 until today. Now I can't use
anything. Something about "old-configure." Here is the complete
configuration log:

Reexecuting in the virtualenv
checking for a shell... /bin/sh
checking for host system type... x86_64-pc-linux-gnu
checking for target system type... x86_64-pc-linux-gnu
checking whether cross compiling... no
checking for pkg_config... /usr/bin/pkg-config
checking for pkg-config version... 0.29
checking for tar... /bin/tar
checking for unzip... /usr/bin/unzip
checking for zip... /usr/bin/zip
checking for yasm... /usr/bin/yasm
checking yasm version... 1.3.0
checking for the target C compiler... /usr/bin/gcc
checking whether the target C compiler can be used... yes
checking the target C compiler version... 5.4.1
checking for the target C++ compiler... /usr/bin/g++
checking whether the target C++ compiler can be used... yes
checking the target C++ compiler version... 5.4.1
checking for the host C compiler... /usr/bin/gcc
checking whether the host C compiler can be used... yes
checking the host C compiler version... 5.4.1
checking for the host C++ compiler... /usr/bin/g++
checking whether the host C++ compiler can be used... yes
checking the host C++ compiler version... 5.4.1
checking for awk... /usr/bin/gawk
checking for perl... /usr/bin/perl
checking for minimum required perl version >= 5.006... 5.024001
checking for full perl installation... yes
checking for doxygen... not found
checking for xargs... /usr/bin/xargs
checking for rpmbuild... not found
checking for autoconf... /usr/bin/autoconf2.13
loading cache ./config.cache
checking host system type... x86_64-pc-linux-gnu
checking target system type... x86_64-pc-linux-gnu
checking build system type... x86_64-pc-linux-gnu
checking for objcopy... /usr/bin/objcopy
checking for gcc... /usr/bin/gcc -std=gnu99
checking whether the C compiler (/usr/bin/gcc -std=gnu99  ) works... yes
checking whether the C compiler (/usr/bin/gcc -std=gnu99  ) is a
cross-compiler... no
checking whether we are using GNU C... yes
checking whether /usr/bin/gcc -std=gnu99 accepts -g... yes
checking for c++... /usr/bin/g++ -std=gnu++11
checking whether the C++ compiler (/usr/bin/g++ -std=gnu++11  ) works... yes
checking whether the C++ compiler (/usr/bin/g++ -std=gnu++11  ) is a
cross-compiler... no
checking whether we are using GNU C++... yes
checking whether /usr/bin/g++ -std=gnu++11 accepts -g... yes
checking for ranlib... ranlib
checking for as... /usr/bin/as
checking for ar... ar
checking for ld... ld
checking for strip... strip
checking for windres... no
checking for otool... no
checking for rustc... no
checking how to run the C preprocessor... /usr/bin/gcc -std=gnu99 -E
checking how to run the C++ preprocessor... /usr/bin/g++ -std=gnu++11 -E
checking for gmake... no
checking for make... /usr/bin/make
checking for X... libraries , headers
checking for dnet_ntoa in -ldnet... no
checking for dnet_ntoa in -ldnet_stub... no
checking for gethostbyname... yes
checking for connect... yes
checking for remove... yes
checking for shmat... yes
checking for IceConnectionNumber in -lICE... yes
checking that static assertion macros used in autoconf tests work... yes
checking for --noexecstack option to as... yes
checking for -z noexecstack option to ld... yes
checking for -z text option to ld... yes
checking for --build-id option to ld... yes
checking for --ignore-unresolved-symbol option to ld... yes
checking if toolchain supports -mssse3 option... yes
checking if toolchain supports -msse4.1 option... yes
checking for x86 AVX2 asm support in compiler... yes
checking whether the C compiler supports -Wclass-varargs... no
checking whether the C compiler supports -Wloop-analysis... no
checking whether the C compiler supports -Wthread-safety... no
checking whether the C compiler supports -Wno-error=maybe-uninitialized...
yes
checking whether the C compiler supports
-Wno-error=deprecated-declarations... yes
checking whether the C compiler supports -Wno-error=array-bounds... yes
checking whether the C++ compiler supports -Wc++11-compat-pedantic... no
checking whether the C++ compiler supports -Wc++14-compat... yes
checking whether the C++ compiler supports -Wc++14-compat-pedantic... no
checking whether the C++ compiler supports -Wc++1z-compat... no
checking whether the C++ compiler supports -Wclass-varargs... no
checking whether the C++ compiler supports -Wimplicit-fallthrough... no
checking whether the C++ compiler supports -Wloop-analysis... no
checking whether the C++ compiler supports -Wthread-safety... no
checking whether the C++ compiler supports -Wno-inline-new-delete... no
checking whether the C++ compiler supports
-Wno-error=maybe-uninitialized... yes
checking whether the C++ compiler supports
-Wno-error=deprecated-declarations... yes
checking whether the C++ compiler supports -Wno-error=array-bounds... yes
checking for 64-bit OS... yes
checking whether the C++ compiler (/usr/bin/g++ -std=gnu++11
-fno-exceptions -fno-strict-aliasing 

No print preview in Mac OS X? (now old printers)

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

In message 
mailman.9897.1422673735.26608.support-fire...@lists.mozilla.org, Ant 
ant@zimage.comANT writes:

On 1/30/2015 1:00 PM, g wrote:


http://i.imgur.com/HlCuTj1.gif for what I saw in that localhost URL's
CUPS printers web page.


nice printer network. usb sure beats the hell out of lpr and a switch
box. :-)


No kidding. My client refused to let go of his old printers (e.g., 
reliable HP LJ 6P printer with an USB and parallel cable adapter). :(

[]
I sympathise with your client; if I had an LJ 6 that was still working, 
I'd be reluctant to let go of it too!


(F'up set.)
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I'm sometimes a bit bewildered by that, really - there are no young people in
it, there's no sex, there's no violence, no car chases and there's no action
and no vampires. - Colin Firth on the success of the film The King's Speech.
Radio Times 10-16 September 2011
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Re: E-Mail problem

[Jim P]

Jens Hatlak wrote:

Jim P wrote:

I have Win 7, SM 2.9. In the past week I have had a problem with
messages in that I can read them when I receive them. Then when I go
back to them they have reverted to the coding for the message.


SM 2.9 is still in beta. There was a problem with SM 2.9b2 (maybe also
2.9b1, didn't check) where compacting messages (automatically or
manually) led to message corruption. This issue, which I was hit by
myself, has been fixed in SM 2.9b3 which has just been released. Of
course it's very unfortunate that an issue as serious as this one made
it to the Beta channel, but at least it was caught before release.

According to the below comment (which is from one of the core MailNews
developers), the only way to fix it is to repair affected folders
manually, which I don't recommend to average users since it can lead to
even more corruption, so I won't explain it further here (however,
that's what I'll do to repair my folders). Your only other options are
accessing your backups (if you have some) or deleting faulty messages.

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=730947#c97
(Please don't make that bug even longer; if you have further questions,
ask them here please.)

HTH

Jens

Thanks for the info.  I thought it might have been the problem, it's the 
first I've had with SM in a long, long time.  I've been a user since the 
Netscape days.  I've already updated to the last release SM 2.9b3. Do I 
need to do anything more, like clean out the Inbox?

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Re: Really HATE the accelerated release cycle

[Graham P Davis]

On Fri, 08 Jul 2011 18:16:38 -0400, Cruz, Jaime wrote:

 The add-on authors seem to be having difficulties keeping up with the
 upgrade cycle, and several add-ons I count on aren't yet compatible with
 2.2 (they just BARELY got compatibility with 2.1).  This really is a
 STUPID decision on the part of the Mozilla organization.
 
 And now I've got this damn thing nagging me to upgrade when I CAN'T yet.
 
 Time to start looking at Opera and/or Chrome if this nonsense keeps up.

Yes, I've had three problems with FF, all of which *seem* to have been 
cured by removing openSUSE add-ons and branding. All seems rather 
unnecessary work for the user.

What really irritates me is all this rush to add new features when there 
are plenty of problems lying around needing to be fixed. Get the basics 
working before adding more stuff and running the risk of introducing more 
bugs. One TB bug I was tracking, and am still getting the odd bugzilla  e-
mail about, dates back to the last millennium! 

We don't all want bleeding-edge software, we want reliability.

Mind you, when looking for alternatives, they all seem to have big 
problems and TB/FF may be the least worst of the bunch.


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User of Mozillarish stuff since Netscape 1.2N.
Running KDE 4.6.5 on openSUSE 11.4. 
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Is there any way to compact offline newsgroups (reduce the size of the mbox file)?

[P.]

Hello.

I have installed SeaMonkey v2.0.13 but I cannot find a way to expire
articles (physically reduce the size
of the mbox file in which newsgroups messages are stored) in offline
newsgroups.

Using the Retention option does remove articles from view but the
mbox file remains untouched
(and steadily growing in size).


Thanks.
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Re: Add-on Manager Plugins - Updates?

[Jim P]

nr wrote:

After opening up the Add-on Manager, the Extensions page has a 'Find
Updates' option.  The Plugins page does not have this, so how does one
update the Plugins (I have ten showing here)?

Thanks for any assistance.
Try this one, https://www.mozilla.com/en-US/plugincheck/  It works for 
Fire Fox and SeaMonkey for me. Also in SeaMonkey 2.1b3pre Under Help, 
About plugins, there is a listing that will take you to the same place.

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Re: More video trouble at wat.tv

[Jim P]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Is this their issue or mine? (I'm guessing theirs, but I can't figure a
way around it)

Can't start videos at
http://www.wat.tv/video/the-road-home-40-2ye81_2ye4v_.html
http://www.wat.tv/video/the-road-home-40-2ye83_2ye4v_.html

Disabled AdBblocker Plus, got the Bingo ad and all the other clutter,
but the content won't start.

Accepting their cookies doesn't help, nor does clearing them.

Tried with SeaMonkey 2.0.12, also Internet Explorer 8.0.6001.18702.

When I tried IE 8, their system diagnosed an outdated Flash player -- it
thinks I have version 6.0.88.0, but in fact I have version 10.2.152.32.
Uninstalled and reinstalled Flash, no help. I've seen this before from
wat.tv -- the webmaster obviously doesn't know how to test for this.

Thanks in advance for any help...
Merci d'avance pour aucune aide...

I got the 2nd one to work once, then on the next try it wouldn't. Using 
SM 2.1b.3

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Re: Sending attachments

[Jim P]

Ed Mullen wrote:

Jim P wrote:

Jim P wrote:

NoOp wrote:

On 08/29/2010 09:52 PM, Jim P wrote:

I have a Dell 4600, Win XP with all the updates, SM2.06. Last week I
suddenly can not send attachments over about 100 K. Smaller files are
sent fine. It doesn't matter the file type. Regular e-mail works fine
as long as there aren't any large attachments. Before last week there
was no problem sending large attachments. If I forward a large e-mail
it will not send either. The message will to to 29% sent and freeze,
then time out. I have a laptop with Win 7, SM 2.06 networked to the
same router and I have no problem sending the same files that would
not
send from the Dell. I created a new profile, no info from others
profiles added, with the same results.

I'm an early Netscape users and have not encountered anything like
this
before.


Sounds like you may be running into an IPv6 or MTU mismatch problem on
the Dell. Those are the places I'd look first.

Thanks, I'll look at that one.


Yep, that fixed it. The TTL had gotten screwed up. Thanks! I'd looked
about everywhere but there.


Glad you got it sorted out. That was an odd one.


It sure had me stumped.  NoOP's suggestion sure was a life saver.
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Re: Sending attachments

[Jim P]

Ed Mullen wrote:

Jim P wrote:

I have a Dell 4600, Win XP with all the updates, SM2.06. Last week I
suddenly can not send attachments over about 100 K. Smaller files are
sent fine. It doesn't matter the file type. Regular e-mail works fine as
long as there aren't any large attachments. Before last week there was
no problem sending large attachments. If I forward a large e-mail it
will not send either. The message will to to 29% sent and freeze, then
time out. I have a laptop with Win 7, SM 2.06 networked to the same
router and I have no problem sending the same files that would not send
from the Dell. I created a new profile, no info from others profiles
added, with the same results.

I'm an early Netscape users and have not encountered anything like this
before.


The only possible thing I can think of is a nearly full C:\ drive. If
you're about out of disk space a new profile won't help. Other than that
I'm stumped.

49 G free on the D drive and 81 G on the C drive.  I've run 
Malwarebytes, SuperAntiSpyware, AVG and SpyBot.

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Re: Sending attachments

[Jim P]

Rick Merrill wrote:

Jim P wrote:

I have a Dell 4600, Win XP with all the updates, SM2.06. Last week I
suddenly can not send attachments over about 100 K. Smaller files are
sent fine. It doesn't matter the file type. Regular e-mail works fine as
long as there aren't any large attachments. Before last week there was
no problem sending large attachments. If I forward a large e-mail it
will not send either. The message will to to 29% sent and freeze, then
time out. I have a laptop with Win 7, SM 2.06 networked to the same
router and I have no problem sending the same files that would not send
from the Dell. I created a new profile, no info from others profiles
added, with the same results.

I'm an early Netscape users and have not encountered anything like this
before.


shot-in-the-dark: do you have QoS enabled on the Win XP system?

No.  I guess I'll load the backup from before that last MS Updates and 
see if that could have caused something.  Thanks for the thoughts from 
you and Ed.

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Re: Sending attachments

[Jim P]

NoOp wrote:

On 08/29/2010 09:52 PM, Jim P wrote:

I have a Dell 4600, Win XP with all the updates, SM2.06.  Last week I
suddenly can not send attachments over about 100 K. Smaller files are
sent fine. It doesn't matter the file type.  Regular e-mail works fine
as long as there aren't any large attachments.  Before last week there
was no problem sending large attachments.  If I forward a large e-mail
it will not send either.  The message will to to 29% sent and freeze,
then time out.  I have a laptop with Win 7, SM 2.06 networked to the
same router and I have no problem sending the same files that would not
send from the Dell.  I created a new profile, no info from others
profiles added, with the same results.

I'm an early Netscape users and have not encountered anything like this
before.


Sounds like you may be running into an IPv6 or MTU mismatch problem on
the Dell. Those are the places I'd look first.

Thanks, I'll look at that one.
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Re: Sending attachments

[Jim P]

Jim P wrote:

NoOp wrote:

On 08/29/2010 09:52 PM, Jim P wrote:

I have a Dell 4600, Win XP with all the updates, SM2.06. Last week I
suddenly can not send attachments over about 100 K. Smaller files are
sent fine. It doesn't matter the file type. Regular e-mail works fine
as long as there aren't any large attachments. Before last week there
was no problem sending large attachments. If I forward a large e-mail
it will not send either. The message will to to 29% sent and freeze,
then time out. I have a laptop with Win 7, SM 2.06 networked to the
same router and I have no problem sending the same files that would not
send from the Dell. I created a new profile, no info from others
profiles added, with the same results.

I'm an early Netscape users and have not encountered anything like this
before.


Sounds like you may be running into an IPv6 or MTU mismatch problem on
the Dell. Those are the places I'd look first.

Thanks, I'll look at that one.


Yep, that fixed it.  The TTL had gotten screwed up.  Thanks!  I'd looked 
about everywhere but there.

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Sending attachments

[Jim P]

I have a Dell 4600, Win XP with all the updates, SM2.06.  Last week I 
suddenly can not send attachments over about 100 K. Smaller files are 
sent fine. It doesn't matter the file type.  Regular e-mail works fine 
as long as there aren't any large attachments.  Before last week there 
was no problem sending large attachments.  If I forward a large e-mail 
it will not send either.  The message will to to 29% sent and freeze, 
then time out.  I have a laptop with Win 7, SM 2.06 networked to the 
same router and I have no problem sending the same files that would not 
send from the Dell.  I created a new profile, no info from others 
profiles added, with the same results.


I'm an early Netscape users and have not encountered anything like this 
before.

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Re: Duplisate Mail NewsGroup Folders on 2 PCs??

[Jonas P Eckerman]

On 2010-07-17 01:07, Willard wrote:

 I was hoping for something to also duplicate the sent mail, local
 folders etc..

If you use an IMAP mail account, drafts, trash etc for that account will
reside on the server. You can then set your news account(s) to use
folders of the IMAP account instead of Local Folders for sent, drafts,
archives and templates.

This is not really duplication, but synchronization, so it does not
provide the same data protection that simple duplication does, but it
does provide conveniance. (If you're not used to IMAP, you'll need to
get used to the fact that deleting a message on one PC will also delete
it on the server and the other PC.)

One problem is that you need an email provider that provides IMAP, and
that since all mail is stored on the server that provider needs to
provide enough mail storage space for your needs.

Regards
/Jonas
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