Re: Left clicking always brings up menu in SM2 on OSX?
M m...@oznet.com.au wrote: Me too! Me neither! s However, I did some testing and discovered that left clicking does not bring up the menu in Safari. You may have already known this, but I didn't s Cheeers, Margaret Son of a gun, you are correct. I've never noticed, since I don't have the clicking problem. True also in Firefox, Camino, and Opera. SeaMonkey would appear to be the only browser that does honor click and hold. I have no idea why. Lee ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Left clicking always brings up menu in SM2 on OSX?
On 12/10/2010 23:33, Leonidas Jones wrote: M m...@oznet.com.au wrote: Me too! Me neither! s However, I did some testing and discovered that left clicking does not bring up the menu in Safari. You may have already known this, but I didn't s Cheeers, Margaret Son of a gun, you are correct. I've never noticed, since I don't have the clicking problem. True also in Firefox, Camino, and Opera. SeaMonkey would appear to be the only browser that does honor click and hold. I have no idea why. The default for Mozilla products on Mac OSX is: pref(ui.click_hold_context_menus, false); See: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla1.9.2/source/modules/libpref/src/init/all.js#1679 SeaMonkey on Mac OSX overrides this: pref(ui.click_hold_context_menus, true); See: http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-1.9.1/source/suite/browser/browser-prefs.js?mark=578-579#570 CVS archaeology points to: http://bonsai.mozilla.org/cvsblame.cgi?file=mozilla/suite/browser/browser-prefs.jsrev=1.94mark=449#449 1.41 mozilla.m...@sent.com 2006-07-29 01:47 Bug 301758 - disable click-and-hold contextual menus access by default, leaving it on in Seamonkey. r=mconnor. sr=neil. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=301758 Says: Whiteboard: NO WHINING, READ COMMENT #34 TO TURN IT BACK ON! + The facts: Since Netscape 4, the NS and Mozilla have used click-and-hold as a shortcut into the context menus to allow for a quick mechanism for single-mouse users on the Macintosh platforms. The Apple HIG, however, states that click-and-hold should be an equivalent operation to click, except for in certain circumstances (such as Dock tiles). Instead, Apple's recommended route to context menus is ctrl+click. Safari, Camino, Opera and IE 5 for Mac all use the standard ctrl+click to get context menus, and do not respond to click-and-hold. The only click-and-hold action in these browsers is on the back/forward buttons, to get the drop-down history (see bug 102330). Firefox supports both ctrl+click *and* click-and-hold. The debate: Removing click-and-hold will bring Firefox in line with the Apple HIG, but at the cost of removing a feature that many established Mac users may be very familiar with. Some (full disclosure: myself included!) feel that this change, while initially jarring, would be worth it in order to ensure that we are complying with the platform look-and-feel, and point out that all other Mac apps require ctrl+click, such as iTunes (for editing an ID3 tag), and indeed, it may be more jarring for users to discover that click-and-hold does not work as a shortcut to the context-menu in other applications. Further, the current click-and-hold implimentation is somewhat buggy. Others feel that the established user base would be very upset about this feature being removed, noting that ctrl+click is still there, and this is just a further optimization for one-mouse-button users. Buggy implementations should be fixed, not removed. + So basically it was a compromise after a long flame war. Perhaps it's time to revisit this in 2010 long after OS8 and OS9 have gone the way of the Dodo. Phil -- Philip Chee phi...@aleytys.pc.my, philip.c...@gmail.com http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ http://xsidebar.mozdev.org Guard us from the she-wolf and the wolf, and guard us from the thief, oh Night, and so be good for us to pass. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Left clicking always brings up menu in SM2 on OSX?
Leonidas Jones leonidasjo...@netscape.net wrote: M m...@oznet.com.au wrote: Me too! Me neither! s However, I did some testing and discovered that left clicking does not bring up the menu in Safari. You may have already known this, but I didn't s Cheeers, Margaret Son of a gun, you are correct. I've never noticed, since I don't have the clicking problem. True also in Firefox, Camino, and Opera. SeaMonkey would appear to be the only browser that does honor click and hold. I have no idea why. Lee Firstly, my sincere apologies to the OP, this is a SeaMonkey issue after all. To correct it, type about:config into the location bar. Find the pref: ui.click_hold_context_menus The default setting is true, toggle it to false. That should solve the issue. Again, I apologize for my poor original assessment of the problem. Lee ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Left clicking always brings up menu in SM2 on OSX?
Philip Chee philip.c...@gmail.com wrote: The default for Mozilla products on Mac OSX is: pref(ui.click_hold_context_menus, false); See: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla1.9.2/source/modules/libpref/src/init/all.js#1679 SeaMonkey on Mac OSX overrides this: pref(ui.click_hold_context_menus, true); See: http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-1.9.1/source/suite/browser/browser-prefs.js?mark=578-579#570 CVS archaeology points to: http://bonsai.mozilla.org/cvsblame.cgi?file=mozilla/suite/browser/browser-prefs.jsrev=1.94mark=449#449 1.41 mozilla.m...@sent.com 2006-07-29 01:47 Bug 301758 - disable click-and-hold contextual menus access by default, leaving it on in Seamonkey. r=mconnor. sr=neil. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=301758 Says: Whiteboard: NO WHINING, READ COMMENT #34 TO TURN IT BACK ON! + The facts: Since Netscape 4, the NS and Mozilla have used click-and-hold as a shortcut into the context menus to allow for a quick mechanism for single-mouse users on the Macintosh platforms. The Apple HIG, however, states that click-and-hold should be an equivalent operation to click, except for in certain circumstances (such as Dock tiles). Instead, Apple's recommended route to context menus is ctrl+click. Safari, Camino, Opera and IE 5 for Mac all use the standard ctrl+click to get context menus, and do not respond to click-and-hold. The only click-and-hold action in these browsers is on the back/forward buttons, to get the drop-down history (see bug 102330). Firefox supports both ctrl+click *and* click-and-hold. The debate: Removing click-and-hold will bring Firefox in line with the Apple HIG, but at the cost of removing a feature that many established Mac users may be very familiar with. Some (full disclosure: myself included!) feel that this change, while initially jarring, would be worth it in order to ensure that we are complying with the platform look-and-feel, and point out that all other Mac apps require ctrl+click, such as iTunes (for editing an ID3 tag), and indeed, it may be more jarring for users to discover that click-and-hold does not work as a shortcut to the context-menu in other applications. Further, the current click-and-hold implimentation is somewhat buggy. Others feel that the established user base would be very upset about this feature being removed, noting that ctrl+click is still there, and this is just a further optimization for one-mouse-button users. Buggy implementations should be fixed, not removed. + So basically it was a compromise after a long flame war. Perhaps it's time to revisit this in 2010 long after OS8 and OS9 have gone the way of the Dodo. Phil I agree, and thanks for beating me to the pref Philip. Actually, in checking other programs, I haven't found one that does honor click and hold, at least to the extent that SeaMonkey does. It probably would be a good idea to revisit this, especially Apple no long even sells one button pointing devices. Lee ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Left clicking always brings up menu in SM2 on OSX?
Leonidas Jones wrote: Mm...@oznet.com.au wrote: Me too! Me neither!s However, I did some testing and discovered that left clicking does not bring up the menu in Safari. You may have already known this, but I didn'ts Cheeers, Margaret Son of a gun, you are correct. I've never noticed, since I don't have the clicking problem. True also in Firefox, Camino, and Opera. SeaMonkey would appear to be the only browser that does honor click and hold. I have no idea why. Lee see this : http://screencast.com/t/zknj5Rsrgs I used the left click and brought up the context menu. Its stay up long enough to make this screenshot. If you can't do it you have something (an extension in SM or something in your system) preventing it. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net/ mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Left clicking always brings up menu in SM2 on OSX?
Leonidas Jones wrote: Leonidas Jonesleonidasjo...@netscape.net wrote: Mm...@oznet.com.au wrote: Me too! Me neither!s However, I did some testing and discovered that left clicking does not bring up the menu in Safari. You may have already known this, but I didn'ts Cheeers, Margaret Son of a gun, you are correct. I've never noticed, since I don't have the clicking problem. True also in Firefox, Camino, and Opera. SeaMonkey would appear to be the only browser that does honor click and hold. I have no idea why. Lee Firstly, my sincere apologies to the OP, this is a SeaMonkey issue after all. To correct it, type about:config into the location bar. Find the pref: ui.click_hold_context_menus The default setting is true, toggle it to false. That should solve the issue. Again, I apologize for my poor original assessment of the problem. Lee I just figured why mine works and none of yours does. And I didn't have to do anything. I remembered I have a system Preference called USB OverDrive. I use a Logitech 3 button mouse I have right - click mapped to system Control-Click. I would advise anyone that uses a two or three button mouse to get USB Overdrive and map Right click to Control-Click for context menus then the Finder Spring loaded Commands for windows will work. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net/ mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Left clicking always brings up menu in SM2 on OSX?
Philip Chee wrote: On 12/10/2010 23:33, Leonidas Jones wrote: Mm...@oznet.com.au wrote: Me too! Me neither!s However, I did some testing and discovered that left clicking does not bring up the menu in Safari. You may have already known this, but I didn'ts Cheeers, Margaret Son of a gun, you are correct. I've never noticed, since I don't have the clicking problem. True also in Firefox, Camino, and Opera. SeaMonkey would appear to be the only browser that does honor click and hold. I have no idea why. The default for Mozilla products on Mac OSX is: pref(ui.click_hold_context_menus, false); See: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla1.9.2/source/modules/libpref/src/init/all.js#1679 SeaMonkey on Mac OSX overrides this: pref(ui.click_hold_context_menus, true); See: http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-1.9.1/source/suite/browser/browser-prefs.js?mark=578-579#570 CVS archaeology points to: http://bonsai.mozilla.org/cvsblame.cgi?file=mozilla/suite/browser/browser-prefs.jsrev=1.94mark=449#449 1.41mozilla.m...@sent.com 2006-07-29 01:47 Bug 301758 - disable click-and-hold contextual menus access by default, leaving it on in Seamonkey. r=mconnor. sr=neil. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=301758 Says: Whiteboard: NO WHINING, READ COMMENT #34 TO TURN IT BACK ON! + The facts: Since Netscape 4, the NS and Mozilla have used click-and-hold as a shortcut into the context menus to allow for a quick mechanism for single-mouse users on the Macintosh platforms. The Apple HIG, however, states that click-and-hold should be an equivalent operation to click, except for in certain circumstances (such as Dock tiles). Instead, Apple's recommended route to context menus is ctrl+click. Safari, Camino, Opera and IE 5 for Mac all use the standard ctrl+click to get context menus, and do not respond to click-and-hold. The only click-and-hold action in these browsers is on the back/forward buttons, to get the drop-down history (see bug 102330). Firefox supports both ctrl+click *and* click-and-hold. The debate: Removing click-and-hold will bring Firefox in line with the Apple HIG, but at the cost of removing a feature that many established Mac users may be very familiar with. Some (full disclosure: myself included!) feel that this change, while initially jarring, would be worth it in order to ensure that we are complying with the platform look-and-feel, and point out that all other Mac apps require ctrl+click, such as iTunes (for editing an ID3 tag), and indeed, it may be more jarring for users to discover that click-and-hold does not work as a shortcut to the context-menu in other applications. Further, the current click-and-hold implimentation is somewhat buggy. Others feel that the established user base would be very upset about this feature being removed, noting that ctrl+click is still there, and this is just a further optimization for one-mouse-button users. Buggy implementations should be fixed, not removed. + So basically it was a compromise after a long flame war. Perhaps it's time to revisit this in 2010 long after OS8 and OS9 have gone the way of the Dodo. Phil Thanks for the info. Although it's never been a problem with me the above explanation is appreciated and problem solved for OP Margaret ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Left clicking always brings up menu in SM2 on OSX?
Phillip Jones pjon...@kimbanet.com wrote: I believe what is being described as Spring Loaded Folders and windows. see this screenshot: http://screencast.com/t/67vfwKnr87J Go back to Finder choose preferences this window open click general tab you'll see the slider at bottom slide all the way to left no delay. all the way to right maximum delay. which is what I set. Hey Phillip, I thought you were on to something there, but, using the OP's test of the Get Messages in SM, moving the slider seems to have no effect from here. Lee ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Left clicking always brings up menu in SM2 on OSX?
Leonidas Jones wrote: Phillip Jonespjon...@kimbanet.com wrote: I believe what is being described as Spring Loaded Folders and windows. see this screenshot: http://screencast.com/t/67vfwKnr87J Go back to Finder choose preferences this window open click general tab you'll see the slider at bottom slide all the way to left no delay. all the way to right maximum delay. which is what I set. Hey Phillip, I thought you were on to something there, but, using the OP's test of the Get Messages in SM, moving the slider seems to have no effect from here. Lee Me too! Me neither! s However, I did some testing and discovered that left clicking does not bring up the menu in Safari. You may have already known this, but I didn't s Cheeers, Margaret ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Left clicking always brings up menu in SM2 on OSX?
Nelson Bolyard nonelsons...@nobolyardspam.me wrote: On 2010-10-08 22:28 PDT, Leonidas Jones wrote: This is not a SeaMonkey issue, but rather an issue with OSX. If it were only a problem in the Dock, or if it was a problem in ALL programs, I would agree. But it IS a problem inside SeaMonkey, and it is not a problem in ANY programs for Mac OS/X from Microsoft. Example, do a slow click on the Get Messages button in the mail+news window. Now try that in Entourage. The behavior you describe as slow click is actually click and hold. Yes, I agree. On OS9 there was little point in click and hold. There was no dock, applications were opened from the Applications folder, or via aliases on the desktop, using a double click to open. You seem to be ignoring the behavior within programs. No, I'm not ignoring it, I don't recall your giving any specific examples of where she was having the clicking problem. You left a to guess about with your original post, so I guessed. No matter, as long as we get the correct information. :) A click and hold on something like the Get Messages is *supposed* to bring up the context menu. That's how it is designed. If Entourage, which is not on my systems, does not do this, it is at fault, not SeaMonkey. SeaMonkey is behaving as the OS dictates. I know of no way to disable click and hold. I suspect there is a settable time delay before it decides there is a Hold going on, but I have no idea where it might be set. It's not in the system preferences panel for the mouse. Again, I would think there may be, but it is not in a gui preference dialog. A Terminal command perhaps, as I suggested earlier, but I don't know it. I suggest two courses. First, and preferred, would be to see if she can adapt to a faster left click. sarcasm Gee, I never thought of that! /sarcasm After two months, that's clearly not working, which is why I asked ... Sorry, though how do *I* know how long you have been trying things? I'm not a mind reader. If that is just not possible, open System Preferences and disable the Dock. Won't help with the Get Msgs button in the Mail News window. You are correct, and now that you have made that clear, my suggestion will not work. I still maintain however, that this is an OSX related issue. SeaMonkey is simply doing as the system asks it to. I suggest that you ask this in a dedicated Mac group, there are several in the comp.sys.mac hierarchy. I don't know how to disable click and hold but I never wanted to so I never looked. I wouldn't want to if I knew how. Unless another Mac user here knows the answer, you need to ask in a group where there is a larger body of Mac users. I'll keep looking, but I don't really have a lot of time to spend on this right now. If I do discover something, I'll post it here. Lee ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Left clicking always brings up menu in SM2 on OSX?
Leonidas Jones wrote: Nelson Bolyardnonelsons...@nobolyardspam.me wrote: On 2010-10-08 22:28 PDT, Leonidas Jones wrote: This is not a SeaMonkey issue, but rather an issue with OSX. If it were only a problem in the Dock, or if it was a problem in ALL programs, I would agree. But it IS a problem inside SeaMonkey, and it is not a problem in ANY programs for Mac OS/X from Microsoft. Example, do a slow click on the Get Messages button in the mail+news window. Now try that in Entourage. The behavior you describe as slow click is actually click and hold. Yes, I agree. On OS9 there was little point in click and hold. There was no dock, applications were opened from the Applications folder, or via aliases on the desktop, using a double click to open. You seem to be ignoring the behavior within programs. No, I'm not ignoring it, I don't recall your giving any specific examples of where she was having the clicking problem. You left a to guess about with your original post, so I guessed. No matter, as long as we get the correct information. :) A click and hold on something like the Get Messages is *supposed* to bring up the context menu. That's how it is designed. If Entourage, which is not on my systems, does not do this, it is at fault, not SeaMonkey. SeaMonkey is behaving as the OS dictates. I know of no way to disable click and hold. I suspect there is a settable time delay before it decides there is a Hold going on, but I have no idea where it might be set. It's not in the system preferences panel for the mouse. Again, I would think there may be, but it is not in a gui preference dialog. A Terminal command perhaps, as I suggested earlier, but I don't know it. I suggest two courses. First, and preferred, would be to see if she can adapt to a faster left click. sarcasm Gee, I never thought of that!/sarcasm After two months, that's clearly not working, which is why I asked ... Sorry, though how do *I* know how long you have been trying things? I'm not a mind reader. If that is just not possible, open System Preferences and disable the Dock. Won't help with the Get Msgs button in the Mail News window. You are correct, and now that you have made that clear, my suggestion will not work. I still maintain however, that this is an OSX related issue. SeaMonkey is simply doing as the system asks it to. I suggest that you ask this in a dedicated Mac group, there are several in the comp.sys.mac hierarchy. I don't know how to disable click and hold but I never wanted to so I never looked. I wouldn't want to if I knew how. Unless another Mac user here knows the answer, you need to ask in a group where there is a larger body of Mac users. I'll keep looking, but I don't really have a lot of time to spend on this right now. If I do discover something, I'll post it here. Lee I believe what is being described as Spring Loaded Folders and windows. see this screenshot: http://screencast.com/t/67vfwKnr87J Go back to Finder then choose preferences this window open click general tab you'll see the slider at bottom slide all the way to left no delay. all the way to right maximum delay. which is what I set. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net/ mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Left clicking always brings up menu in SM2 on OSX?
Leonidas Jones wrote: Nelson Bolyard nonelsons...@nobolyardspam.me wrote: On 2010-10-02 21:50 PDT, Leonidas Jones wrote: Nelson Bolyard nonelsons...@nobolyardspam.me wrote: Ever hear of these symptoms? Know of any cures? SM2 (latest version as of about 2 months ago) on an Intel Mac Mini running Leopard is behaving VERY STRANGELY. Left clicks on buttons, menu items, and certain other UI features that ought to cause actions, often cause a pop-up menu to be displayed, in addition to whatever action they're supposed to take. If one is not careful to move the mouse out of the menu before releasing it, one ends up performing unintended actions, which may have very undesirable consequences. This is a brand new OS/X install on a clean disk with SM2 and almost no extensions or plugins (quicktime, Adobe PDF reader). It has an Apple two-button mighty mouse, and the buttons were configured properly (right mouse separate from left mouse, buttons not reversed) recently. She's being careful to left-click. Any ideas gratefully received. The problem is due to slow clicks. With OS/X, if you take longer than about 1/2 second between pressing down and letting up the mouse button, you get this behavior where the left click actually behaves like a right click. It's a difference between OS/X and all older versions of OS (e.g. OS/9, OS/7). No programs on older MacOS have this problem. On older MacOS, you can hold down the mouse for a large part of a second, or more, and as long as you don't move the mouse before you let it up, it's just a click. I never do these slow clicks, but my aged relative, who's been using OS/9 for most of the last decade, has been doing this all that time and thinks this is normal click behavior. Very difficult to unlearn after all that time. If I try to do slow clicks, then I see the same behavior she does. Is this only happening in SeaMonkey? It affects the dock and most Apple programs, but not any Microsoft programs for Mac. Doesn't affect word or Excel, etc. Definitely affects SM. I wish I could get SM to act like the MS programs, and not treat slow clicks like right clicks. I'm also getting questions like all my correspondents use Mac Mail, so why should I use SeaMonkey? An answer like because SeaMonkey doesn't have fits with slow clicks would be just the ticket. Any ideas how to achieve that? This is not a SeaMonkey issue, but rather an issue with OSX. If my answer does not solve your issue, I suggest that you seek out a Mac group to troubleshoot it further. The behavior you describe as slow click is actually click and hold. It is one of two ways of invoking the context menu with a traditional Apple one button mouse. The other is control+click, holding the control key down while clicking the mouse button, which is the more common way. Control+click is more common because it always works. Click and hold has a limitation. If you click and hold on an item that could be moved, the OS assumes you are using click and drag, in order to move the item. When you release the button, it will respond as a normal click. That is the response your relative is seeing. Even with a two button mouse, (actually the mighty mouse is a three button with the scroll ball acting as a third button or for scrolling), the OS will still react to the click and hold. On OS9 there was little point in click and hold. There was no dock, applications were opened from the Applications folder, or via aliases on the desktop, using a double click to open. A slow single click would activate click and drag, but once the button is released, it would react as a regular single click. The slow click was never intended as normal click behavior. I am guessing that your relative's problem relates to clicking on Dock icons, which are designed to open with a single (left) click. Click and hold does open the context menu. A quicker single click is required. By the way, MS product Dock icons behave just like all others in that respect. I know of no way to disable click and hold. There may well be a Terminal command that would do that, but I don't know it, it had never occurred to me to want to disable it. I suggest two courses. First, and preferred, would be to see if she can adapt to a faster left click. That is actually the normal click behavior in all Mac OS's, Classic and OSX. If that is just not possible, open System Preferences and disable the Dock. Then create aliases for her favorite programs on the desktop. This should then behave exactly as OS9 did, and solve her problem. I do work with older computer users, and I find they can more adaptable hen you might think. Lee Can you get around this by properly setting the delay for double click to suit the user's reaction time? I've been using Macs since OS 6, and I've never even noticed or known about a long-click acting as cntrl+click until about a year or two ago... ...but now that I do, I use it! Occasionally... -- -
Re: Left clicking always brings up menu in SM2 on OSX?
On 2010-10-08 22:28 PDT, Leonidas Jones wrote: This is not a SeaMonkey issue, but rather an issue with OSX. If it were only a problem in the Dock, or if it was a problem in ALL programs, I would agree. But it IS a problem inside SeaMonkey, and it is not a problem in ANY programs for Mac OS/X from Microsoft. Example, do a slow click on the Get Messages button in the mail+news window. Now try that in Entourage. The behavior you describe as slow click is actually click and hold. Yes, I agree. On OS9 there was little point in click and hold. There was no dock, applications were opened from the Applications folder, or via aliases on the desktop, using a double click to open. You seem to be ignoring the behavior within programs. I know of no way to disable click and hold. I suspect there is a settable time delay before it decides there is a Hold going on, but I have no idea where it might be set. It's not in the system preferences panel for the mouse. I suggest two courses. First, and preferred, would be to see if she can adapt to a faster left click. sarcasm Gee, I never thought of that! /sarcasm After two months, that's clearly not working, which is why I asked ... If that is just not possible, open System Preferences and disable the Dock. Won't help with the Get Msgs button in the Mail News window. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Left clicking always brings up menu in SM2 on OSX?
Nelson Bolyard nonelsons...@nobolyardspam.me wrote: On 2010-10-02 21:50 PDT, Leonidas Jones wrote: Nelson Bolyard nonelsons...@nobolyardspam.me wrote: Ever hear of these symptoms? Know of any cures? SM2 (latest version as of about 2 months ago) on an Intel Mac Mini running Leopard is behaving VERY STRANGELY. Left clicks on buttons, menu items, and certain other UI features that ought to cause actions, often cause a pop-up menu to be displayed, in addition to whatever action they're supposed to take. If one is not careful to move the mouse out of the menu before releasing it, one ends up performing unintended actions, which may have very undesirable consequences. This is a brand new OS/X install on a clean disk with SM2 and almost no extensions or plugins (quicktime, Adobe PDF reader). It has an Apple two-button mighty mouse, and the buttons were configured properly (right mouse separate from left mouse, buttons not reversed) recently. She's being careful to left-click. Any ideas gratefully received. The problem is due to slow clicks. With OS/X, if you take longer than about 1/2 second between pressing down and letting up the mouse button, you get this behavior where the left click actually behaves like a right click. It's a difference between OS/X and all older versions of OS (e.g. OS/9, OS/7). No programs on older MacOS have this problem. On older MacOS, you can hold down the mouse for a large part of a second, or more, and as long as you don't move the mouse before you let it up, it's just a click. I never do these slow clicks, but my aged relative, who's been using OS/9 for most of the last decade, has been doing this all that time and thinks this is normal click behavior. Very difficult to unlearn after all that time. If I try to do slow clicks, then I see the same behavior she does. Is this only happening in SeaMonkey? It affects the dock and most Apple programs, but not any Microsoft programs for Mac. Doesn't affect word or Excel, etc. Definitely affects SM. I wish I could get SM to act like the MS programs, and not treat slow clicks like right clicks. I'm also getting questions like all my correspondents use Mac Mail, so why should I use SeaMonkey? An answer like because SeaMonkey doesn't have fits with slow clicks would be just the ticket. Any ideas how to achieve that? This is not a SeaMonkey issue, but rather an issue with OSX. If my answer does not solve your issue, I suggest that you seek out a Mac group to troubleshoot it further. The behavior you describe as slow click is actually click and hold. It is one of two ways of invoking the context menu with a traditional Apple one button mouse. The other is control+click, holding the control key down while clicking the mouse button, which is the more common way. Control+click is more common because it always works. Click and hold has a limitation. If you click and hold on an item that could be moved, the OS assumes you are using click and drag, in order to move the item. When you release the button, it will respond as a normal click. That is the response your relative is seeing. Even with a two button mouse, (actually the mighty mouse is a three button with the scroll ball acting as a third button or for scrolling), the OS will still react to the click and hold. On OS9 there was little point in click and hold. There was no dock, applications were opened from the Applications folder, or via aliases on the desktop, using a double click to open. A slow single click would activate click and drag, but once the button is released, it would react as a regular single click. The slow click was never intended as normal click behavior. I am guessing that your relative's problem relates to clicking on Dock icons, which are designed to open with a single (left) click. Click and hold does open the context menu. A quicker single click is required. By the way, MS product Dock icons behave just like all others in that respect. I know of no way to disable click and hold. There may well be a Terminal command that would do that, but I don't know it, it had never occurred to me to want to disable it. I suggest two courses. First, and preferred, would be to see if she can adapt to a faster left click. That is actually the normal click behavior in all Mac OS's, Classic and OSX. If that is just not possible, open System Preferences and disable the Dock. Then create aliases for her favorite programs on the desktop. This should then behave exactly as OS9 did, and solve her problem. I do work with older computer users, and I find they can more adaptable hen you might think. Lee ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Left clicking always brings up menu in SM2 on OSX?
Nelson Bolyard nonelsons...@nobolyardspam.me wrote: Ever hear of these symptoms? Know of any cures? SM2 (latest version as of about 2 months ago) on an Intel Mac Mini running Leopard is behaving VERY STRANGELY. Left clicks on buttons, menu items, and certain other UI features that ought to cause actions, often cause a pop-up menu to be displayed, in addition to whatever action they're supposed to take. If one is not careful to move the mouse out of the menu before releasing it, one ends up performing unintended actions, which may have very undesirable consequences. Example: in SM's mail window, EVERY time the Get Msgs Icon is clicked, a menu appears offering some choices, the first of which is to customize a toolbar. File - Get New Messages gets new messages and brings up some other menu which must be carefully dismissed. This has made SM2 unusable for my elderly relative. After struggling with that unwanted menus for some time, the entire bar of icons including Get Msgs icon disappeared, and I have no idea how she can get it back. Now her SM2 is effectively non-functional for email. This is a brand new OS/X install on a clean disk with SM2 and almost no extensions or plugins (quicktime, Adobe PDF reader). It has an Apple two-button mighty mouse, and the buttons were configured properly (right mouse separate from left mouse, buttons not reversed) recently. She's being careful to left-click. Any ideas gratefully received. Do you have direct access to the machine? If so, have you checked System Preferences to be sure that the mouse preferences have not become garbled? Is this only happening in SeaMonkey? You might try having her reboot the machine, which might clear something. It doesn't sound like a SeaMonkey issue, rather something. In the OS. Lee ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
