Re: OT Re: Mac OS X Download?

[Rufus]

Geoff Welsh wrote:

Rufus wrote:

Geoff Welsh wrote:

Rufus wrote:

Geoff Welsh wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

Iceman wrote:

On Tue, 26 Mar 2013 13:26:16 -1000, Geoff Welsh wrote in message
:


Rufus wrote:


The problems were all in the "upgrading". Took a few iterations to
straighten that out.

Anyway, 1.1.19 is simply the best version of SM I've ever used
from a
user/features/bugs standpoint - I miss it on the machines I've
"upgraded".

1.1.19 only has one bug that annoys the *snot* out of me, and
that's
the
Master Password problem that's been plaguing me since
1.1.16-something.
Even the Profile manager works, which is more than I can say for
the
latest 2.x.x series.


Ah, yes, I remember, now, you mentioning that MP problem before.
Since
I honestly don't even know what an MP is, I've never run into that.


If you have your Mac OS X installation disk, insert it and look in
the
menus. You can find the master password there and change it.


No the Mater password he is referring to is in SM you set that in SM
>preferences > Privacy & Security > Master Password. Personally I
wouldn't dare go without a Master Password and I am the only one that
uses my computer. I am a nut for security. One reason I haven't had
much
in the way of Malware so I don't find it a Bug for me.


so what does the MP "do"? I've /never/ used it afaik.
GW


It is the Master key for the encrypted storage of all of the Passwords
you save/store in the Password Manager. Without setting a Master
Password all an attacker need do is log into your account, open the
Password Manager, and start reading them all...


Well, they'd have to break into my house first, in which case they'd
probably be more interested in cash, credit cards, and personal
property, than using SeaMonkey on a eight year old iMac.
But, I don't store passwords anyway, except for the mail server.
GW


...then why bother updating for *any* "security" update?


lemming, I guessbut obviously there are no security updates on stuff
this old.
GW


...yeah - the security updates are all x.y.z updates.  Which is the 
usual excuse for no user fixes being included in them.  So by your 
philosophy one shouldn't bother with x.y.z updates - only the x.y ones.


But how you manage your install - no stored passwords - is also a reason 
I use multiple Profiles, and why having the Profile Manager broken is 
annoying.


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Re: OT Re: Mac OS X Download?

[Geoff Welsh]

Rufus wrote:

Geoff Welsh wrote:

Rufus wrote:

Geoff Welsh wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

Iceman wrote:

On Tue, 26 Mar 2013 13:26:16 -1000, Geoff Welsh wrote in message
:


Rufus wrote:


The problems were all in the "upgrading". Took a few iterations to
straighten that out.

Anyway, 1.1.19 is simply the best version of SM I've ever used
from a
user/features/bugs standpoint - I miss it on the machines I've
"upgraded".

1.1.19 only has one bug that annoys the *snot* out of me, and
that's
the
Master Password problem that's been plaguing me since
1.1.16-something.
Even the Profile manager works, which is more than I can say for
the
latest 2.x.x series.


Ah, yes, I remember, now, you mentioning that MP problem before.
Since
I honestly don't even know what an MP is, I've never run into that.


If you have your Mac OS X installation disk, insert it and look in
the
menus. You can find the master password there and change it.


No the Mater password he is referring to is in SM you set that in SM
>preferences > Privacy & Security > Master Password. Personally I
wouldn't dare go without a Master Password and I am the only one that
uses my computer. I am a nut for security. One reason I haven't had
much
in the way of Malware so I don't find it a Bug for me.


so what does the MP "do"? I've /never/ used it afaik.
GW


It is the Master key for the encrypted storage of all of the Passwords
you save/store in the Password Manager. Without setting a Master
Password all an attacker need do is log into your account, open the
Password Manager, and start reading them all...


Well, they'd have to break into my house first, in which case they'd
probably be more interested in cash, credit cards, and personal
property, than using SeaMonkey on a eight year old iMac.
But, I don't store passwords anyway, except for the mail server.
GW


...then why bother updating for *any* "security" update?

lemming, I guessbut obviously there are no security updates on stuff 
this old.

GW
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Re: OT Re: Mac OS X Download?

[Rufus]

Geoff Welsh wrote:

Rufus wrote:

Geoff Welsh wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

Iceman wrote:

On Tue, 26 Mar 2013 13:26:16 -1000, Geoff Welsh wrote in message
:


Rufus wrote:


The problems were all in the "upgrading". Took a few iterations to
straighten that out.

Anyway, 1.1.19 is simply the best version of SM I've ever used
from a
user/features/bugs standpoint - I miss it on the machines I've
"upgraded".

1.1.19 only has one bug that annoys the *snot* out of me, and that's
the
Master Password problem that's been plaguing me since
1.1.16-something.
Even the Profile manager works, which is more than I can say for the
latest 2.x.x series.


Ah, yes, I remember, now, you mentioning that MP problem before.
Since
I honestly don't even know what an MP is, I've never run into that.


If you have your Mac OS X installation disk, insert it and look in the
menus. You can find the master password there and change it.


No the Mater password he is referring to is in SM you set that in SM
 >preferences > Privacy & Security > Master Password. Personally I
wouldn't dare go without a Master Password and I am the only one that
uses my computer. I am a nut for security. One reason I haven't had
much
in the way of Malware so I don't find it a Bug for me.


so what does the MP "do"?  I've /never/ used it afaik.
GW


It is the Master key for the encrypted storage of all of the Passwords
you save/store in the Password Manager.  Without setting a Master
Password all an attacker need do is log into your account, open the
Password Manager, and start reading them all...


Well, they'd have to break into my house first, in which case they'd
probably be more interested in cash, credit cards, and personal
property, than using SeaMonkey on a eight year old iMac.
But, I don't store passwords anyway, except for the mail server.
GW


...then why bother updating for *any* "security" update?

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Re: OT Re: Mac OS X Download?

[Geoff Welsh]

Rufus wrote:

Geoff Welsh wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

Iceman wrote:

On Tue, 26 Mar 2013 13:26:16 -1000, Geoff Welsh wrote in message
:


Rufus wrote:


The problems were all in the "upgrading". Took a few iterations to
straighten that out.

Anyway, 1.1.19 is simply the best version of SM I've ever used from a
user/features/bugs standpoint - I miss it on the machines I've
"upgraded".

1.1.19 only has one bug that annoys the *snot* out of me, and that's
the
Master Password problem that's been plaguing me since
1.1.16-something.
Even the Profile manager works, which is more than I can say for the
latest 2.x.x series.


Ah, yes, I remember, now, you mentioning that MP problem before. Since
I honestly don't even know what an MP is, I've never run into that.


If you have your Mac OS X installation disk, insert it and look in the
menus. You can find the master password there and change it.


No the Mater password he is referring to is in SM you set that in SM
 >preferences > Privacy & Security > Master Password. Personally I
wouldn't dare go without a Master Password and I am the only one that
uses my computer. I am a nut for security. One reason I haven't had much
in the way of Malware so I don't find it a Bug for me.


so what does the MP "do"?  I've /never/ used it afaik.
GW


It is the Master key for the encrypted storage of all of the Passwords
you save/store in the Password Manager.  Without setting a Master
Password all an attacker need do is log into your account, open the
Password Manager, and start reading them all...


Well, they'd have to break into my house first, in which case they'd 
probably be more interested in cash, credit cards, and personal 
property, than using SeaMonkey on a eight year old iMac.

But, I don't store passwords anyway, except for the mail server.
GW
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Re: OT Re: Mac OS X Download?

[Rufus]

Geoff Welsh wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

Iceman wrote:

On Tue, 26 Mar 2013 13:26:16 -1000, Geoff Welsh wrote in message
:


Rufus wrote:


The problems were all in the "upgrading". Took a few iterations to
straighten that out.

Anyway, 1.1.19 is simply the best version of SM I've ever used from a
user/features/bugs standpoint - I miss it on the machines I've
"upgraded".

1.1.19 only has one bug that annoys the *snot* out of me, and that's
the
Master Password problem that's been plaguing me since
1.1.16-something.
Even the Profile manager works, which is more than I can say for the
latest 2.x.x series.


Ah, yes, I remember, now, you mentioning that MP problem before. Since
I honestly don't even know what an MP is, I've never run into that.


If you have your Mac OS X installation disk, insert it and look in the
menus. You can find the master password there and change it.


No the Mater password he is referring to is in SM you set that in SM
 >preferences > Privacy & Security > Master Password. Personally I
wouldn't dare go without a Master Password and I am the only one that
uses my computer. I am a nut for security. One reason I haven't had much
in the way of Malware so I don't find it a Bug for me.


so what does the MP "do"?  I've /never/ used it afaik.
GW


It is the Master key for the encrypted storage of all of the Passwords 
you save/store in the Password Manager.  Without setting a Master 
Password all an attacker need do is log into your account, open the 
Password Manager, and start reading them all...


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Re: OT Re: Mac OS X Download?

[Geoff Welsh]

PhillipJones wrote:

Iceman wrote:

On Tue, 26 Mar 2013 13:26:16 -1000, Geoff Welsh wrote in message
:


Rufus wrote:


The problems were all in the "upgrading". Took a few iterations to
straighten that out.

Anyway, 1.1.19 is simply the best version of SM I've ever used from a
user/features/bugs standpoint - I miss it on the machines I've
"upgraded".

1.1.19 only has one bug that annoys the *snot* out of me, and that's
the
Master Password problem that's been plaguing me since 1.1.16-something.
Even the Profile manager works, which is more than I can say for the
latest 2.x.x series.


Ah, yes, I remember, now, you mentioning that MP problem before. Since
I honestly don't even know what an MP is, I've never run into that.


If you have your Mac OS X installation disk, insert it and look in the
menus. You can find the master password there and change it.


No the Mater password he is referring to is in SM you set that in SM
 >preferences > Privacy & Security > Master Password. Personally I
wouldn't dare go without a Master Password and I am the only one that
uses my computer. I am a nut for security. One reason I haven't had much
in the way of Malware so I don't find it a Bug for me.


so /thats/ where it is.  thx PJ
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Re: OT Re: Mac OS X Download?

[Geoff Welsh]

PhillipJones wrote:

Iceman wrote:

On Tue, 26 Mar 2013 13:26:16 -1000, Geoff Welsh wrote in message
:


Rufus wrote:


The problems were all in the "upgrading". Took a few iterations to
straighten that out.

Anyway, 1.1.19 is simply the best version of SM I've ever used from a
user/features/bugs standpoint - I miss it on the machines I've
"upgraded".

1.1.19 only has one bug that annoys the *snot* out of me, and that's
the
Master Password problem that's been plaguing me since 1.1.16-something.
Even the Profile manager works, which is more than I can say for the
latest 2.x.x series.


Ah, yes, I remember, now, you mentioning that MP problem before. Since
I honestly don't even know what an MP is, I've never run into that.


If you have your Mac OS X installation disk, insert it and look in the
menus. You can find the master password there and change it.


No the Mater password he is referring to is in SM you set that in SM
 >preferences > Privacy & Security > Master Password. Personally I
wouldn't dare go without a Master Password and I am the only one that
uses my computer. I am a nut for security. One reason I haven't had much
in the way of Malware so I don't find it a Bug for me.


so what does the MP "do"?  I've /never/ used it afaik.
GW
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Re: OT Re: Mac OS X Download?

[PhillipJones]

Iceman wrote:

On Tue, 26 Mar 2013 13:26:16 -1000, Geoff Welsh wrote in message
:


Rufus wrote:


The problems were all in the "upgrading". Took a few iterations to
straighten that out.

Anyway, 1.1.19 is simply the best version of SM I've ever used from a
user/features/bugs standpoint - I miss it on the machines I've "upgraded".

1.1.19 only has one bug that annoys the *snot* out of me, and that's the
Master Password problem that's been plaguing me since 1.1.16-something.
Even the Profile manager works, which is more than I can say for the
latest 2.x.x series.


Ah, yes, I remember, now, you mentioning that MP problem before.  Since
I honestly don't even know what an MP is, I've never run into that.


If you have your Mac OS X installation disk, insert it and look in the
menus. You can find the master password there and change it.


No the Mater password he is referring to is in SM you set that in SM 
>preferences > Privacy & Security > Master Password. Personally I 
wouldn't dare go without a Master Password and I am the only one that 
uses my computer.  I am a nut for security. One reason I haven't had 
much in the way of Malware so I don't find it a Bug for me.


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Re: OT Re: Mac OS X Download?

[Iceman]

On Tue, 26 Mar 2013 13:26:16 -1000, Geoff Welsh wrote in message
:

> Rufus wrote:
>>
>> The problems were all in the "upgrading". Took a few iterations to
>> straighten that out.
>>
>> Anyway, 1.1.19 is simply the best version of SM I've ever used from a
>> user/features/bugs standpoint - I miss it on the machines I've "upgraded".
>>
>> 1.1.19 only has one bug that annoys the *snot* out of me, and that's the
>> Master Password problem that's been plaguing me since 1.1.16-something.
>> Even the Profile manager works, which is more than I can say for the
>> latest 2.x.x series.
>>
> Ah, yes, I remember, now, you mentioning that MP problem before.  Since 
> I honestly don't even know what an MP is, I've never run into that.

If you have your Mac OS X installation disk, insert it and look in the
menus. You can find the master password there and change it.
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Re: OT Re: Mac OS X Download?

[Rufus]

Geoff Welsh wrote:

Rufus wrote:


The problems were all in the "upgrading". Took a few iterations to
straighten that out.

Anyway, 1.1.19 is simply the best version of SM I've ever used from a
user/features/bugs standpoint - I miss it on the machines I've
"upgraded".

1.1.19 only has one bug that annoys the *snot* out of me, and that's the
Master Password problem that's been plaguing me since 1.1.16-something.
Even the Profile manager works, which is more than I can say for the
latest 2.x.x series.


Ah, yes, I remember, now, you mentioning that MP problem before.  Since
I honestly don't even know what an MP is, I've never run into that.

GW



Yes - I also have Profiles without Masters and devoid of Passwords at 
all and don't have the problem with those Profiles.  But...


There are several basic OS X interface problems I have that are due to 
issues using the Profile Manager - starting being not following links 
directly from e-mails, desktop Alias, etc. if it is invoked on 
startup...and even if it isn't, SM still doesn't follow on-disk paths to 
.html files correctly.  Which I think is still an issue related to 
Profile management, based on a few additional observations.


So...to get *half* a solution I can now no longer use the Profile 
Manager...which I'd prefer to be able to use.  Which makes SM 1.1.19 the 
better choice for my PPC iMac from a user/bug-free standpoint.


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