Re: Request For Email Scam Detection Enhancement
Philip Taylor wrote: EE wrote: That item is checked. I still never see any warnings. Perhaps you never received anything that Seamonkey classes as a scam. If you care to post your real e-mail address, I can forward you something that Seamonkey false-detects as a scam on my machine (the regular mailing from Flyertalk.com). Philip Taylor It does not matter that much. I can identify scams easily enough (usually just from the subject line). The scam identifier has the reputation of not working well. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Request For Email Scam Detection Enhancement
MCBastos wrote: FWIW, I believe that the thing that triggers the "possible scam" warning in Thunderbird/Seamonkey is this: - A piece of text which appears to be an URL - Which links to a DIFFERENT URL Like this:http://www.maliciousite.com/installvirus.php";>http://www.fluffybunnies.com/winaprize/ Yes, that's what I proposed two days ago: Original Message ---- Subject: Re: Request For Email Scam Detection Enhancement Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2013 18:56:05 -0400 From: Paul B. Gallagher Newsgroups: mozilla.support.seamonkey References: <3zkdntqejjmg4bhpnz2dnuvz_swdn...@mozilla.org> ... The obvious feature would be if it contains a link whose display URL does not match its target URL. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Request For Email Scam Detection Enhancement
Interviewed by CNN on 09/09/2013 19:10, Rob told the world: > Apparently the mails sent by Flyertalk.com do contain the deceiving > links that SeaMonkey classifies as "likely scam". > > I don't know what kind of mails Flyertalk.com is sending, but when > it is some service that has user accounts and is vulnerable to phishing, > you do not want a whitelist based on sender Flyertalk.com because that > would mean anyone can send messages "from Flyertalk.com" and they would > never be marked as scam. FWIW, I believe that the thing that triggers the "possible scam" warning in Thunderbird/Seamonkey is this: - A piece of text which appears to be an URL - Which links to a DIFFERENT URL Like this:http://www.maliciousite.com/installvirus.php";>http://www.fluffybunnies.com/winaprize/ -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my wrist radio. * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey 2.20 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Request For Email Scam Detection Enhancement
Philip Taylor wrote: > > > Rob wrote: > >> This would not work for scam mail, as the objective for a scam mail >> it to look like a genuine mail but still deceive the user. >> >> Scammers copy genuine mails from banks and other companies and edit >> them as little as possible. There is too much probability that they >> would not be recognized as a scam after a user has whitelisted mails >> from the company. >> >> This is different from spam, where you are looking for mails different >> from usual mail, rather than mail that looks the same. > > But when you have 100% of e-mails from Flyertalk.com being marked > as scams, and 0% are scams, then the software needs to be intelligent > enough to recognise this. We are not discussing borderline situations > where some messages are scams and some are not; this is a 100% > false positive situation that requires adaptive learning in order > to resolve the problem. Apparently the mails sent by Flyertalk.com do contain the deceiving links that SeaMonkey classifies as "likely scam". I don't know what kind of mails Flyertalk.com is sending, but when it is some service that has user accounts and is vulnerable to phishing, you do not want a whitelist based on sender Flyertalk.com because that would mean anyone can send messages "from Flyertalk.com" and they would never be marked as scam. When you don't care about that, just disable the scam detection. After all, it is just an extra service. When it annoys you, you can turn it off. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Request For Email Scam Detection Enhancement
Rob wrote: > This would not work for scam mail, as the objective for a scam mail > it to look like a genuine mail but still deceive the user. > > Scammers copy genuine mails from banks and other companies and edit > them as little as possible. There is too much probability that they > would not be recognized as a scam after a user has whitelisted mails > from the company. > > This is different from spam, where you are looking for mails different > from usual mail, rather than mail that looks the same. But when you have 100% of e-mails from Flyertalk.com being marked as scams, and 0% are scams, then the software needs to be intelligent enough to recognise this. We are not discussing borderline situations where some messages are scams and some are not; this is a 100% false positive situation that requires adaptive learning in order to resolve the problem. Philip Taylor ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Request For Email Scam Detection Enhancement
Philip Taylor wrote: Rob wrote: SeaMonkey has no way to see that an e-mail is "the same as one that you have seen before". That probably is not true, anyway. So your ooptions are to disable the detector or to live with it. Rob, it is a fundamental feature of good software design that software should adapt to the needs of the user; the user should never have to adapt to the needs of the software. Philip Taylor Tell that to Mozilla Developers, be it SeaMonkey, FireFox, or Thunderbird. I've been trying to get that point across to developers for years but just flip me the bird go back litlle man you don't know what your talking about. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. "If it's Fixed, Don't Break it" http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjones...@comcast.net ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Request For Email Scam Detection Enhancement
Rob wrote: Philip Taylor wrote: Rob wrote: SeaMonkey has no way to see that an e-mail is "the same as one that you have seen before". That probably is not true, anyway. So your ooptions are to disable the detector or to live with it. Rob, it is a fundamental feature of good software design that software should adapt to the needs of the user; the user should never have to adapt to the needs of the software. Philip Taylor Yes, but in this case that is not a simple task. The user says "this is an e-mail I have seen before, it should not be detected as a scam". But what properties of the mail do you want to store in a whitelist? Certainly not the sender address, as it can very easily be spoofed. Anyone sending a genuine-looking phishing mail will try to use the usual sender address of the company they want to phish data for. So, whitelisting on sender address would be an extremely bad idea! You can store a hash of the message to whitelist it, but I bet that the messages the user is talking about are not "the same". They are messages from the same company that have the same general layout, but their content is not the same. So what would the software have to store and match to identify "the same" messages that it should not classify as scam the next time? It will not be easy... how about instead of using a white list use a Black list whatever the user marks as spam. If its not corrected within a week, Make it a Permanent forever or at least 100 years block. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. "If it's Fixed, Don't Break it" http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjones...@comcast.net ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Request For Email Scam Detection Enhancement
Philip Taylor wrote: > > > Rob wrote: > >> Yes, but in this case that is not a simple task. >> The user says "this is an e-mail I have seen before, it should not >> be detected as a scam". >> But what properties of the mail do you want to store in a whitelist? >> >> Certainly not the sender address, as it can very easily be spoofed. >> Anyone sending a genuine-looking phishing mail will try to use the >> usual sender address of the company they want to phish data for. >> So, whitelisting on sender address would be an extremely bad idea! >> >> You can store a hash of the message to whitelist it, but I bet that >> the messages the user is talking about are not "the same". They >> are messages from the same company that have the same general layout, >> but their content is not the same. >> >> So what would the software have to store and match to identify "the same" >> messages that it should not classify as scam the next time? >> >> It will not be easy... > > Agreed, but that is exactly why the science of heuristic analysis > is so well developed. Simply saying "If I receive a second identical > copy of this e-mail, please do not treat it a scam" is totally > inadequate -- what we need is a feature whereby each time we mark > an e-mail as /not/ a scam, it is compared with all similar messages > that have been so marked, and the scam-detection heuristics adjusted > accordingly. There is no fundamental difference between the approach > currently provided for junk mail training and the requested feature > for scam mail training. This would not work for scam mail, as the objective for a scam mail it to look like a genuine mail but still deceive the user. Scammers copy genuine mails from banks and other companies and edit them as little as possible. There is too much probability that they would not be recognized as a scam after a user has whitelisted mails from the company. This is different from spam, where you are looking for mails different from usual mail, rather than mail that looks the same. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Request For Email Scam Detection Enhancement
EE wrote: > That item is checked. I still never see any warnings. Perhaps you never received anything that Seamonkey classes as a scam. If you care to post your real e-mail address, I can forward you something that Seamonkey false-detects as a scam on my machine (the regular mailing from Flyertalk.com). Philip Taylor ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Request For Email Scam Detection Enhancement
Arnie Goetchius wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: EE wrote: Arnie Goetchius wrote: Periodically I receive emails from trusted sources where SM warns that this email "might be a scam". Clicking on "Not a Scam" makes the message go away. However, SM does not learn and keeps giving the same warning for the same trusted source. The quick fix is to completely disable this feature by going about:config and change mail.phishing.detection.enabled to False. It would be helpful if SM could learn when an email is checked as "Not a Scam", that the result of that action would disable any future notices that an email from the same source "might be a scam". Note: Under Global Junk Preferences/Junk and Suspect Mail, I do have "suspected email scam" unchecked but that apparently is ignored and the only way to not see these warnings is to do the fix in about:config I see the opposite. I have received repeated scam attempts (especially the Nigerian variety), and never see any warning about a scam. Edit | Preferences | Mail & Newsgroups | Junk & Suspect Mail At the bottom: [x] Tell me if the message I'm reading is a suspected email scam This should have the same effect as toggling Arnie's key in about:config. It does not have the same affect so I assume it is broken. The only way to to toggle it on or off is to use about:config That does not seem to work very well. I presume the setting in about:config is mail.phishing.detection.enabled, which is already set to true. I have had that setting with both Thunderbird and Seamonkey and have never received any warnings, even though I have received several phishing attempts with both. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Request For Email Scam Detection Enhancement
Paul B. Gallagher wrote: EE wrote: Arnie Goetchius wrote: Periodically I receive emails from trusted sources where SM warns that this email "might be a scam". Clicking on "Not a Scam" makes the message go away. However, SM does not learn and keeps giving the same warning for the same trusted source. The quick fix is to completely disable this feature by going about:config and change mail.phishing.detection.enabled to False. It would be helpful if SM could learn when an email is checked as "Not a Scam", that the result of that action would disable any future notices that an email from the same source "might be a scam". Note: Under Global Junk Preferences/Junk and Suspect Mail, I do have "suspected email scam" unchecked but that apparently is ignored and the only way to not see these warnings is to do the fix in about:config I see the opposite. I have received repeated scam attempts (especially the Nigerian variety), and never see any warning about a scam. Edit | Preferences | Mail & Newsgroups | Junk & Suspect Mail At the bottom: [x] Tell me if the message I'm reading is a suspected email scam This should have the same effect as toggling Arnie's key in about:config. That item is checked. I still never see any warnings. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Request For Email Scam Detection Enhancement
Rob wrote: > Yes, but in this case that is not a simple task. > The user says "this is an e-mail I have seen before, it should not > be detected as a scam". > But what properties of the mail do you want to store in a whitelist? > > Certainly not the sender address, as it can very easily be spoofed. > Anyone sending a genuine-looking phishing mail will try to use the > usual sender address of the company they want to phish data for. > So, whitelisting on sender address would be an extremely bad idea! > > You can store a hash of the message to whitelist it, but I bet that > the messages the user is talking about are not "the same". They > are messages from the same company that have the same general layout, > but their content is not the same. > > So what would the software have to store and match to identify "the same" > messages that it should not classify as scam the next time? > > It will not be easy... Agreed, but that is exactly why the science of heuristic analysis is so well developed. Simply saying "If I receive a second identical copy of this e-mail, please do not treat it a scam" is totally inadequate -- what we need is a feature whereby each time we mark an e-mail as /not/ a scam, it is compared with all similar messages that have been so marked, and the scam-detection heuristics adjusted accordingly. There is no fundamental difference between the approach currently provided for junk mail training and the requested feature for scam mail training. Philip Taylor ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Request For Email Scam Detection Enhancement
Philip Taylor wrote: > > > Rob wrote: > >> SeaMonkey has no way to see that an e-mail is "the same as one that >> you have seen before". That probably is not true, anyway. >> >> So your ooptions are to disable the detector or to live with it. > > Rob, it is a fundamental feature of good software design that > software should adapt to the needs of the user; the user should > never have to adapt to the needs of the software. > > Philip Taylor Yes, but in this case that is not a simple task. The user says "this is an e-mail I have seen before, it should not be detected as a scam". But what properties of the mail do you want to store in a whitelist? Certainly not the sender address, as it can very easily be spoofed. Anyone sending a genuine-looking phishing mail will try to use the usual sender address of the company they want to phish data for. So, whitelisting on sender address would be an extremely bad idea! You can store a hash of the message to whitelist it, but I bet that the messages the user is talking about are not "the same". They are messages from the same company that have the same general layout, but their content is not the same. So what would the software have to store and match to identify "the same" messages that it should not classify as scam the next time? It will not be easy... ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Request For Email Scam Detection Enhancement
Rob wrote: > SeaMonkey has no way to see that an e-mail is "the same as one that > you have seen before". That probably is not true, anyway. > > So your ooptions are to disable the detector or to live with it. Rob, it is a fundamental feature of good software design that software should adapt to the needs of the user; the user should never have to adapt to the needs of the software. Philip Taylor ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Request For Email Scam Detection Enhancement
PhillipJones wrote: > Philip Taylor wrote: >> >> >> A Williams wrote: >> >>> Why bother? It is just a warning of a potential threat, if you have a >>> reason to know better then simply ignore it for that mail. >> >> And for the next, and the next, and the next, ad nauseam. >> >> As Arnie quite righly says, Seamonkey should learn from user >> responses when a given sender (e.g., Flyertalk.Com) is not >> a scam sender but consistently uses (for whatever reason) >> certain practices (e.g., links to an indirect host such >> as click.travel.ibemail.com) that consistently trigger >> the"we think this is scam" behaviour. >> >> Philip Taylor >> > It also should be able to when an Item is marked as Spam put in a banned > for life List where its permanently Blocked forever and not even allow. That is possible with a message filter. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Request For Email Scam Detection Enhancement
Arnie Goetchius wrote: > Rob wrote: >> Arnie Goetchius wrote: >>> Periodically I receive emails from trusted sources where SM warns that >>> this email "might be a scam". Clicking on "Not a Scam" makes the message >>> go away. However, SM does not learn and keeps giving the same warning >>> for the same trusted source. The quick fix is to completely disable this >>> feature by going about:config and change mail.phishing.detection.enabled >>> to False. >>> >>> It would be helpful if SM could learn when an email is checked as "Not a >>> Scam", that the result of that action would disable any future notices >>> that an email from the same source "might be a scam". >> >> Seamonkey has no way of reliably determining the source of a mail, so >> it does not use that information as part of determination if a mail >> is a scam. >> > Well, it uses something to determine if the email is a scam. If I tell > SeaMonkey that it is wrong to classify an email as a scam, it ought to > remember what I said the next time that email shows up and stop giving > me a scam alert for that email. SeaMonkey has no way to see that an e-mail is "the same as one that you have seen before". That probably is not true, anyway. So your ooptions are to disable the detector or to live with it. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Request For Email Scam Detection Enhancement
Interviewed by CNN on 08/09/2013 10:31, Arnie Goetchius told the world: > Periodically I receive emails from trusted sources where SM warns that > this email "might be a scam". Clicking on "Not a Scam" makes the message > go away. However, SM does not learn and keeps giving the same warning > for the same trusted source. The quick fix is to completely disable this > feature by going about:config and change mail.phishing.detection.enabled > to False. > > It would be helpful if SM could learn when an email is checked as "Not a > Scam", that the result of that action would disable any future notices > that an email from the same source "might be a scam". > > Note: Under Global Junk Preferences/Junk and Suspect Mail, I do have > "suspected email scam" unchecked but that apparently is ignored and the > only way to not see these warnings is to do the fix in about:config > I do believe it makes some difference if the sender's e-mail address is in your contact book. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my Strawberry. * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey 2.20 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Request For Email Scam Detection Enhancement
Philip Taylor wrote: A Williams wrote: Why bother? It is just a warning of a potential threat, if you have a reason to know better then simply ignore it for that mail. And for the next, and the next, and the next, ad nauseam. As Arnie quite righly says, Seamonkey should learn from user responses when a given sender (e.g., Flyertalk.Com) is not a scam sender but consistently uses (for whatever reason) certain practices (e.g., links to an indirect host such as click.travel.ibemail.com) that consistently trigger the"we think this is scam" behaviour. Philip Taylor It also should be able to when an Item is marked as Spam put in a banned for life List where its permanently Blocked forever and not even allow. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. "If it's Fixed, Don't Break it" http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjones...@comcast.net ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Request For Email Scam Detection Enhancement
Arnie Goetchius wrote: Rob wrote: Arnie Goetchius wrote: Periodically I receive emails from trusted sources where SM warns that this email "might be a scam". Clicking on "Not a Scam" makes the message go away. However, SM does not learn and keeps giving the same warning for the same trusted source. The quick fix is to completely disable this feature by going about:config and change mail.phishing.detection.enabled to False. It would be helpful if SM could learn when an email is checked as "Not a Scam", that the result of that action would disable any future notices that an email from the same source "might be a scam". Seamonkey has no way of reliably determining the source of a mail, so it does not use that information as part of determination if a mail is a scam. Well, it uses something to determine if the email is a scam. If I tell SeaMonkey that it is wrong to classify an email as a scam, it ought to remember what I said the next time that email shows up and stop giving me a scam alert for that email. The obvious feature would be if it contains a link whose display URL does not match its target URL. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Request For Email Scam Detection Enhancement
Arnie Goetchius wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Edit | Preferences | Mail & Newsgroups | Junk & Suspect Mail At the bottom: [x] Tell me if the message I'm reading is a suspected email scam This should have the same effect as toggling Arnie's key in about:config. It does not have the same effect so I assume it is broken. The only way to to toggle it on or off is to use about:config That's weird, it does on my machine. I opened about:config and filtered on mail.phishing.detection.enabled, which returned one key. It was set to the default (true). I opened the pref I described above, and each time I toggled it and clicked "OK," the key in about:config flipped to the opposite value. Each time it turned false, it was bolded (user set), and each time it turned true, it went back to roman (default). Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:23.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/23.0 SeaMonkey/2.20 Win7 Pro (64-bit) SP1 -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Request For Email Scam Detection Enhancement
Paul B. Gallagher wrote: > EE wrote: >> Arnie Goetchius wrote: >>> Periodically I receive emails from trusted sources where SM warns that >>> this email "might be a scam". Clicking on "Not a Scam" makes the message >>> go away. However, SM does not learn and keeps giving the same warning >>> for the same trusted source. The quick fix is to completely disable this >>> feature by going about:config and change mail.phishing.detection.enabled >>> to False. >>> >>> It would be helpful if SM could learn when an email is checked as "Not a >>> Scam", that the result of that action would disable any future notices >>> that an email from the same source "might be a scam". >>> >>> Note: Under Global Junk Preferences/Junk and Suspect Mail, I do have >>> "suspected email scam" unchecked but that apparently is ignored and the >>> only way to not see these warnings is to do the fix in about:config >>> >> I see the opposite. I have received repeated scam attempts (especially >> the Nigerian variety), and never see any warning about a scam. > > Edit | Preferences | Mail & Newsgroups | Junk & Suspect Mail > > At the bottom: > [x] Tell me if the message I'm reading is a suspected email scam > > This should have the same effect as toggling Arnie's key in about:config. > > It does not have the same affect so I assume it is broken. The only way to to toggle it on or off is to use about:config ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Request For Email Scam Detection Enhancement
Rob wrote: > Arnie Goetchius wrote: >> Periodically I receive emails from trusted sources where SM warns that >> this email "might be a scam". Clicking on "Not a Scam" makes the message >> go away. However, SM does not learn and keeps giving the same warning >> for the same trusted source. The quick fix is to completely disable this >> feature by going about:config and change mail.phishing.detection.enabled >> to False. >> >> It would be helpful if SM could learn when an email is checked as "Not a >> Scam", that the result of that action would disable any future notices >> that an email from the same source "might be a scam". > > Seamonkey has no way of reliably determining the source of a mail, so > it does not use that information as part of determination if a mail > is a scam. > Well, it uses something to determine if the email is a scam. If I tell SeaMonkey that it is wrong to classify an email as a scam, it ought to remember what I said the next time that email shows up and stop giving me a scam alert for that email. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Request For Email Scam Detection Enhancement
Arnie Goetchius wrote: > Periodically I receive emails from trusted sources where SM warns that > this email "might be a scam". Clicking on "Not a Scam" makes the message > go away. However, SM does not learn and keeps giving the same warning > for the same trusted source. The quick fix is to completely disable this > feature by going about:config and change mail.phishing.detection.enabled > to False. > > It would be helpful if SM could learn when an email is checked as "Not a > Scam", that the result of that action would disable any future notices > that an email from the same source "might be a scam". Seamonkey has no way of reliably determining the source of a mail, so it does not use that information as part of determination if a mail is a scam. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Request For Email Scam Detection Enhancement
EE wrote: Arnie Goetchius wrote: Periodically I receive emails from trusted sources where SM warns that this email "might be a scam". Clicking on "Not a Scam" makes the message go away. However, SM does not learn and keeps giving the same warning for the same trusted source. The quick fix is to completely disable this feature by going about:config and change mail.phishing.detection.enabled to False. It would be helpful if SM could learn when an email is checked as "Not a Scam", that the result of that action would disable any future notices that an email from the same source "might be a scam". Note: Under Global Junk Preferences/Junk and Suspect Mail, I do have "suspected email scam" unchecked but that apparently is ignored and the only way to not see these warnings is to do the fix in about:config I see the opposite. I have received repeated scam attempts (especially the Nigerian variety), and never see any warning about a scam. Edit | Preferences | Mail & Newsgroups | Junk & Suspect Mail At the bottom: [x] Tell me if the message I'm reading is a suspected email scam This should have the same effect as toggling Arnie's key in about:config. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Request For Email Scam Detection Enhancement
Arnie Goetchius wrote: Periodically I receive emails from trusted sources where SM warns that this email "might be a scam". Clicking on "Not a Scam" makes the message go away. However, SM does not learn and keeps giving the same warning for the same trusted source. The quick fix is to completely disable this feature by going about:config and change mail.phishing.detection.enabled to False. It would be helpful if SM could learn when an email is checked as "Not a Scam", that the result of that action would disable any future notices that an email from the same source "might be a scam". Note: Under Global Junk Preferences/Junk and Suspect Mail, I do have "suspected email scam" unchecked but that apparently is ignored and the only way to not see these warnings is to do the fix in about:config I see the opposite. I have received repeated scam attempts (especially the Nigerian variety), and never see any warning about a scam. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Request For Email Scam Detection Enhancement
A Williams wrote: > Why bother? It is just a warning of a potential threat, if you have a > reason to know better then simply ignore it for that mail. And for the next, and the next, and the next, ad nauseam. As Arnie quite righly says, Seamonkey should learn from user responses when a given sender (e.g., Flyertalk.Com) is not a scam sender but consistently uses (for whatever reason) certain practices (e.g., links to an indirect host such as click.travel.ibemail.com) that consistently trigger the"we think this is scam" behaviour. Philip Taylor ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Request For Email Scam Detection Enhancement
Arnie Goetchius wrote: Periodically I receive emails from trusted sources where SM warns that this email "might be a scam". Clicking on "Not a Scam" makes the message go away. However, SM does not learn and keeps giving the same warning for the same trusted source. The quick fix is to completely disable this feature by going about:config and change mail.phishing.detection.enabled to False. It would be helpful if SM could learn when an email is checked as "Not a Scam", that the result of that action would disable any future notices that an email from the same source "might be a scam". Note: Under Global Junk Preferences/Junk and Suspect Mail, I do have "suspected email scam" unchecked but that apparently is ignored and the only way to not see these warnings is to do the fix in about:config Why bother? It is just a warning of a potential threat, if you have a reason to know better then simply ignore it for that mail. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
