Re: SeaMonkey 2.14.1 won't remember Browser and Email window positions

[Rob]

b...@cowboyneeds.com  wrote:
> On Wednesday, January 9, 2013 6:47:17 PM UTC-5, bi...@cowboyneeds.com wrote:
>> We are a business and always have both the Browser and Email windows open in 
>> Win XP. These are both checked to open when SeaMonkey starts. The default 
>> use to be Browser first, then email to the right. If somehow this order was 
>> changed, you could put them in the order you want, exit SeaMonkey, and upon 
>> restart it would open with the window positions you had upon exit. The 
>> latest SeaMonkey update starts with Email on the left, and the Browser to 
>> the right, and will not remember these if changed and restarted. It is a 
>> small thing, but the reason we use SeaMonkey (and always used Netscape) is 
>> it lets us customize much better than IE.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Does anybody know how to force SeaMonkey to open with Browser on left and 
>> Email on right, on the Win XP task bar. We have multiple computers and 
>> SeaMonkey profiles, so consistency is important.
>
> Thanks Michael Gordon. 
> I am talking about the System Task Bar with the Clock. Either a Windows XP, 
> or a SeaMonkey update, changed this behavior. SeaMonkey always use to reopen 
> its component windows in the order they were in when we last closed the 
> program, but now when opened, it always forces the SeaMonkey Email component 
> to open first, and be closest to the Start button. 
> We always have SeaMonkey's Browser and Email windows open on the System Task 
> Bar. We are an internet store, and frequently are replying to customers 
> emails with links to specific products on our html website. Those are the 
> main programs we have open, and use constantly, throughout the day. While we 
> may also need to open Excel, an HTML editor, an FTP program, etc., it is 
> always handiest to have the SeaMonkey Browser window open to the far left on 
> the System Task Bar (closest to Start button), and then SeaMonkey Email, and 
> then other programs to the right of these, which get opened and closed 
> throughout the day. When this order changes, we have to spend more time 
> hunting the correct window on the System Task Bar to click, instead of just 
> "knowing" where it is.
> Its an annoyance more than anything, I just don't know what changed in one of 
> the updates, but it effected four computers at the same time, so this is not 
> a one computer "preference" setting. I have done a work around by only having 
> SeaMonkey open the Browser, and then we click SeaMonkey's Email icon to open 
> the Email component to the right. We have multiple SeaMonkey Profiles, so it 
> is just one more step every time we open SeaMonkey. I was hoping somebody 
> knew what changed, and a simple fix.

Simple fix: do NOT configure the e-mail window to open on startup.
Only open the browser window on startup.  Once the browser opens, click
on the little envelope in the bottom left of the window, and the e-mail
window will open.   Now the buttons will be in the order that you like,
with only a single click.
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.14.1 won't remember Browser and Email window positions

[Daniel]

b...@cowboyneeds.com wrote:

On Wednesday, January 9, 2013 6:47:17 PM UTC-5, bi...@cowboyneeds.com wrote:

We are a business and always have both the Browser and Email windows open in 
Win XP. These are both checked to open when SeaMonkey starts. The default use 
to be Browser first, then email to the right. If somehow this order was 
changed, you could put them in the order you want, exit SeaMonkey, and upon 
restart it would open with the window positions you had upon exit. The latest 
SeaMonkey update starts with Email on the left, and the Browser to the right, 
and will not remember these if changed and restarted. It is a small thing, but 
the reason we use SeaMonkey (and always used Netscape) is it lets us customize 
much better than IE.



Does anybody know how to force SeaMonkey to open with Browser on left and Email 
on right, on the Win XP task bar. We have multiple computers and SeaMonkey 
profiles, so consistency is important.


Thanks Michael Gordon.
I am talking about the System Task Bar with the Clock. Either a Windows XP, or 
a SeaMonkey update, changed this behavior. SeaMonkey always use to reopen its 
component windows in the order they were in when we last closed the program, 
but now when opened, it always forces the SeaMonkey Email component to open 
first, and be closest to the Start button.
We always have SeaMonkey's Browser and Email windows open on the System Task Bar. We are 
an internet store, and frequently are replying to customers emails with links to specific 
products on our html website. Those are the main programs we have open, and use 
constantly, throughout the day. While we may also need to open Excel, an HTML editor, an 
FTP program, etc., it is always handiest to have the SeaMonkey Browser window open to the 
far left on the System Task Bar (closest to Start button), and then SeaMonkey Email, and 
then other programs to the right of these, which get opened and closed throughout the 
day. When this order changes, we have to spend more time hunting the correct window on 
the System Task Bar to click, instead of just "knowing" where it is.
Its an annoyance more than anything, I just don't know what changed in one of the 
updates, but it effected four computers at the same time, so this is not a one computer 
"preference" setting. I have done a work around by only having SeaMonkey open 
the Browser, and then we click SeaMonkey's Email icon to open the Email component to the 
right. We have multiple SeaMonkey Profiles, so it is just one more step every time we 
open SeaMonkey. I was hoping somebody knew what changed, and a simple fix.


Sorry, Bill, when I replied, earlier in this thread, I thought you were 
trying to arrange things on your desktop, but, reading the above, it 
seems you're trying to arrange things on your taskbar.


I think this is a function of Windows, *not* SeaMonkey!! Have you 
recently done anything to Windows System which may have changed things??


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.14.1 won't remember Browser and Email window positions

[bill]

On Wednesday, January 9, 2013 6:47:17 PM UTC-5, bi...@cowboyneeds.com wrote:
> We are a business and always have both the Browser and Email windows open in 
> Win XP. These are both checked to open when SeaMonkey starts. The default use 
> to be Browser first, then email to the right. If somehow this order was 
> changed, you could put them in the order you want, exit SeaMonkey, and upon 
> restart it would open with the window positions you had upon exit. The latest 
> SeaMonkey update starts with Email on the left, and the Browser to the right, 
> and will not remember these if changed and restarted. It is a small thing, 
> but the reason we use SeaMonkey (and always used Netscape) is it lets us 
> customize much better than IE.
> 
> 
> 
> Does anybody know how to force SeaMonkey to open with Browser on left and 
> Email on right, on the Win XP task bar. We have multiple computers and 
> SeaMonkey profiles, so consistency is important.

Thanks Michael Gordon. 
I am talking about the System Task Bar with the Clock. Either a Windows XP, or 
a SeaMonkey update, changed this behavior. SeaMonkey always use to reopen its 
component windows in the order they were in when we last closed the program, 
but now when opened, it always forces the SeaMonkey Email component to open 
first, and be closest to the Start button. 
We always have SeaMonkey's Browser and Email windows open on the System Task 
Bar. We are an internet store, and frequently are replying to customers emails 
with links to specific products on our html website. Those are the main 
programs we have open, and use constantly, throughout the day. While we may 
also need to open Excel, an HTML editor, an FTP program, etc., it is always 
handiest to have the SeaMonkey Browser window open to the far left on the 
System Task Bar (closest to Start button), and then SeaMonkey Email, and then 
other programs to the right of these, which get opened and closed throughout 
the day. When this order changes, we have to spend more time hunting the 
correct window on the System Task Bar to click, instead of just "knowing" where 
it is.
Its an annoyance more than anything, I just don't know what changed in one of 
the updates, but it effected four computers at the same time, so this is not a 
one computer "preference" setting. I have done a work around by only having 
SeaMonkey open the Browser, and then we click SeaMonkey's Email icon to open 
the Email component to the right. We have multiple SeaMonkey Profiles, so it is 
just one more step every time we open SeaMonkey. I was hoping somebody knew 
what changed, and a simple fix.
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.14.1 won't remember Browser and Email window positions

[Ed Mullen]

b...@cowboyneeds.com wrote:

We are a business and always have both the Browser and Email windows open in 
Win XP. These are both checked to open when SeaMonkey starts. The default use 
to be Browser first, then email to the right. If somehow this order was 
changed, you could put them in the order you want, exit SeaMonkey, and upon 
restart it would open with the window positions you had upon exit. The latest 
SeaMonkey update starts with Email on the left, and the Browser to the right, 
and will not remember these if changed and restarted. It is a small thing, but 
the reason we use SeaMonkey (and always used Netscape) is it lets us customize 
much better than IE.

Does anybody know how to force SeaMonkey to open with Browser on left and Email 
on right, on the Win XP task bar. We have multiple computers and SeaMonkey 
profiles, so consistency is important.



If your are talking about the Task Bar icons for the SeaMonkey programs 
(browser and mail) ...


No.  You cannot control how the icons are arranged on the taskbar.  This 
is not a SeaMonkey issue, it it an OS issue.  Learn to live with it and 
train your users.


In Windows 7 a user can drag/arrange icons on the taskbar bar to 
re-arrange them.  But not in XP.


Still, you cannot control how a user opens/starts a program which is 
what determines how the OS "sits" the icons on the taskbar.


And, frankly, why are you trying to have such granular control over 
this?  If you'd simply train your users how to effectively use their 
systems you'd have no issue.


Hmm.  Well, on further thought ...

If you want to get Draconian about it ...

You could set up every system in the company with a custom boot sequence 
that loads the OS and then ...


"[yourdisk]:\Program Files\SeaMonkey\seamonkey.exe" -browser -P EdNew

"[yourdisk]:\Program Files\SeaMonkey\seamonkey.exe" -mail -P EdNew

That might work.  Haven't tested it.  No reason to.  Educate your users 
- it's much less work.



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Re: SeaMonkey 2.14.1 won't remember Browser and Email window positions

[Michael Gordon]

b...@cowboyneeds.com wrote:

On Wednesday, January 9, 2013 6:47:17 PM UTC-5, bi...@cowboyneeds.com wrote:

We are a business and always have both the Browser and Email windows open in 
Win XP. These are both checked to open when SeaMonkey starts. The default use 
to be Browser first, then email to the right. If somehow this order was 
changed, you could put them in the order you want, exit SeaMonkey, and upon 
restart it would open with the window positions you had upon exit. The latest 
SeaMonkey update starts with Email on the left, and the Browser to the right, 
and will not remember these if changed and restarted. It is a small thing, but 
the reason we use SeaMonkey (and always used Netscape) is it lets us customize 
much better than IE.



Does anybody know how to force SeaMonkey to open with Browser on left and Email 
on right. We have multiple computers and SeaMonkey profiles, so consistency is 
important.


Bill, if my interpretation of your situation is correct, re-set your
display as you require the browser and e-mail windows and then, on each
screen, click on the icon at the left of the title bar and one of the
options you should see is to close the screen. Do so for each screen
and, hopefully, when you re0open SM, things will be as you require!!



Daniel,
You have the correct interpretation, but your solution din not work.

I did not mean to confuse everybody with "task bar", but isn't that the bar at 
the bottom of the screen that shows which programs you have open? We require multiple 
programs to be open at once, and must change between them frequently. That is why 
consistency in location is important or else we always click on the wrong program.



Bill,

Just so we know what we are discussing, on today's Microsoft operating 
systems, specifically XP, we have two type of "Task Bars".  The one in 
the bottom right corner, with the system clock, is the "System Task 
Bar", and shows most applications launched at start-up.  The one in th 
bottom left corner is the "Quick Launch Bar", and is so called because 
it is configured to launch a program with One Click.


To your question, with another question.  Would it help to have two SM 
icons; each with a different program icon, and each separately opening 
either Mail, or Browser?


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.14.1 won't remember Browser and Email window positions

[bill]

On Wednesday, January 9, 2013 6:47:17 PM UTC-5, bi...@cowboyneeds.com wrote:
> We are a business and always have both the Browser and Email windows open in 
> Win XP. These are both checked to open when SeaMonkey starts. The default use 
> to be Browser first, then email to the right. If somehow this order was 
> changed, you could put them in the order you want, exit SeaMonkey, and upon 
> restart it would open with the window positions you had upon exit. The latest 
> SeaMonkey update starts with Email on the left, and the Browser to the right, 
> and will not remember these if changed and restarted. It is a small thing, 
> but the reason we use SeaMonkey (and always used Netscape) is it lets us 
> customize much better than IE.
> 
> 
> 
> Does anybody know how to force SeaMonkey to open with Browser on left and 
> Email on right. We have multiple computers and SeaMonkey profiles, so 
> consistency is important.

Bill, if my interpretation of your situation is correct, re-set your
display as you require the browser and e-mail windows and then, on each
screen, click on the icon at the left of the title bar and one of the
options you should see is to close the screen. Do so for each screen
and, hopefully, when you re0open SM, things will be as you require!!



Daniel,
You have the correct interpretation, but your solution din not work.

I did not mean to confuse everybody with "task bar", but isn't that the bar at 
the bottom of the screen that shows which programs you have open? We require 
multiple programs to be open at once, and must change between them frequently. 
That is why consistency in location is important or else we always click on the 
wrong program. 

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.14.1 won't remember Browser and Email window positions

[Daniel]

b...@cowboyneeds.com wrote:

We are a business and always have both the Browser and Email windows open in 
Win XP. These are both checked to open when SeaMonkey starts. The default use 
to be Browser first, then email to the right. If somehow this order was 
changed, you could put them in the order you want, exit SeaMonkey, and upon 
restart it would open with the window positions you had upon exit. The latest 
SeaMonkey update starts with Email on the left, and the Browser to the right, 
and will not remember these if changed and restarted. It is a small thing, but 
the reason we use SeaMonkey (and always used Netscape) is it lets us customize 
much better than IE.

Does anybody know how to force SeaMonkey to open with Browser on left and Email 
on right, on the Win XP task bar. We have multiple computers and SeaMonkey 
profiles, so consistency is important.


Bill, if my interpretation of your situation is correct, re-set your 
display as you require the browser and e-mail windows and then, on each 
screen, click on the icon at the left of the title bar and one of the 
options you should see is to close the screen. Do so for each screen 
and, hopefully, when you re0open SM, things will be as you require!!


There used to be some place in Edit->Preferences where you could set 
this action, but, as usual, I cannot locate it ATT!


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.14.1 won't remember Browser and Email window positions

[NoOp]

On 01/11/2013 01:43 AM, Rob wrote:
> Daniel  wrote:
...
>> Rob, when I read the original post, I took it to mean that they have one 
>> Windows Desktop screen, with the Task Bar at the bottom, and the the one 
>> screen displaying the SM Browser screen on the left of the desktop and 
>> the e-mail screen on the right, so that they can keep a check on both 
>> e-mail and browser screens at the same time.
>>
>> But, now they are showing opposite, and want to know how to re-set 
>> things permanently!!
> 
> I thought this first, but then I read the second paragraph and it
> was talking about the task bar.
> 
> So what is it?  The window on the screen or the button on the taskbar?
> 
> The location of the window on the screen is saved and restored.
> The location on the taskbar is determined by Windows XP and the
> sequence in which the windows are opened.  It cannot be changed.
> (you can drag a window but you cannot drag a taskbar button)
> 

For Windows XP, I highly recommend Taskbar Shuffle:

With that installed you can easily drag a taskbar application window to
any position on the taskbar you like.
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.14.1 won't remember Browser and Email window positions

[Rob]

Daniel  wrote:
> Rob wrote:
>> b...@cowboyneeds.com  wrote:
>>> We are a business and always have both the Browser and Email windows open 
>>> in Win XP. These are both checked to open when SeaMonkey starts. The 
>>> default use to be Browser first, then email to the right. If somehow this 
>>> order was changed, you could put them in the order you want, exit 
>>> SeaMonkey, and upon restart it would open with the window positions you had 
>>> upon exit. The latest SeaMonkey update starts with Email on the left, and 
>>> the Browser to the right, and will not remember these if changed and 
>>> restarted. It is a small thing, but the reason we use SeaMonkey (and always 
>>> used Netscape) is it lets us customize much better than IE.
>>>
>>> Does anybody know how to force SeaMonkey to open with Browser on left and 
>>> Email on right, on the Win XP task bar. We have multiple computers and 
>>> SeaMonkey profiles, so consistency is important.
>>
>> After reading it several times it is still unclear to me what you mean
>> by on the left and on the right.  Sometimes you talk about windows and
>> sometimes about the task bar.  These are unrelated.
>>
>> How do you start the whole thing?
>>
>
> Rob, when I read the original post, I took it to mean that they have one 
> Windows Desktop screen, with the Task Bar at the bottom, and the the one 
> screen displaying the SM Browser screen on the left of the desktop and 
> the e-mail screen on the right, so that they can keep a check on both 
> e-mail and browser screens at the same time.
>
> But, now they are showing opposite, and want to know how to re-set 
> things permanently!!

I thought this first, but then I read the second paragraph and it
was talking about the task bar.

So what is it?  The window on the screen or the button on the taskbar?

The location of the window on the screen is saved and restored.
The location on the taskbar is determined by Windows XP and the
sequence in which the windows are opened.  It cannot be changed.
(you can drag a window but you cannot drag a taskbar button)
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.14.1 won't remember Browser and Email window positions

[Daniel]

Rob wrote:

b...@cowboyneeds.com  wrote:

We are a business and always have both the Browser and Email windows open in 
Win XP. These are both checked to open when SeaMonkey starts. The default use 
to be Browser first, then email to the right. If somehow this order was 
changed, you could put them in the order you want, exit SeaMonkey, and upon 
restart it would open with the window positions you had upon exit. The latest 
SeaMonkey update starts with Email on the left, and the Browser to the right, 
and will not remember these if changed and restarted. It is a small thing, but 
the reason we use SeaMonkey (and always used Netscape) is it lets us customize 
much better than IE.

Does anybody know how to force SeaMonkey to open with Browser on left and Email 
on right, on the Win XP task bar. We have multiple computers and SeaMonkey 
profiles, so consistency is important.


After reading it several times it is still unclear to me what you mean
by on the left and on the right.  Sometimes you talk about windows and
sometimes about the task bar.  These are unrelated.

How do you start the whole thing?



Rob, when I read the original post, I took it to mean that they have one 
Windows Desktop screen, with the Task Bar at the bottom, and the the one 
screen displaying the SM Browser screen on the left of the desktop and 
the e-mail screen on the right, so that they can keep a check on both 
e-mail and browser screens at the same time.


But, now they are showing opposite, and want to know how to re-set 
things permanently!!


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.14.1 won't remember Browser and Email window positions

[Rob]

b...@cowboyneeds.com  wrote:
> We are a business and always have both the Browser and Email windows open in 
> Win XP. These are both checked to open when SeaMonkey starts. The default use 
> to be Browser first, then email to the right. If somehow this order was 
> changed, you could put them in the order you want, exit SeaMonkey, and upon 
> restart it would open with the window positions you had upon exit. The latest 
> SeaMonkey update starts with Email on the left, and the Browser to the right, 
> and will not remember these if changed and restarted. It is a small thing, 
> but the reason we use SeaMonkey (and always used Netscape) is it lets us 
> customize much better than IE.
>
> Does anybody know how to force SeaMonkey to open with Browser on left and 
> Email on right, on the Win XP task bar. We have multiple computers and 
> SeaMonkey profiles, so consistency is important.

After reading it several times it is still unclear to me what you mean
by on the left and on the right.  Sometimes you talk about windows and
sometimes about the task bar.  These are unrelated.

How do you start the whole thing?
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