Re: When will SeaMonkey use Firefox v3.6.2's Gecko version?
On 4/6/2010 9:24 PM PT, Steve Wendt typed: Does SM have a map of its versions? I remember it (and original Mozilla suite) used to, but I couldn't find it a few months ago. The release dates graph. No. We have no firm dates planned for anything, not even a good idea how many alphas and betas we'll do for 2.1, so also no graph. If historical data is what he was after, this is available: http://www-archive.mozilla.org/releases/history.html Wow, so old. I remember they used to keep it updated. :( -- Lay a stick of bubble gum on an anthill for instant Siamese Ant Twins. --unknown /\___/\ Phil./Ant @ http://antfarm.ma.cx (Personal Web Site) / /\ /\ \Ant's Quality Foraged Links: http://aqfl.net | |o o| | \ _ /If crediting, then use Ant nickname and AQFL URL/link. ( ) If e-mailing, then axe ANT from its address if needed. Ant is currently not listening to any songs on this computer. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: When will SeaMonkey use Firefox v3.6.2's Gecko version?
On 04/06/10 11:50 am, Robert Kaiser wrote: Does SM have a map of its versions? I remember it (and original Mozilla suite) used to, but I couldn't find it a few months ago. The release dates graph. No. We have no firm dates planned for anything, not even a good idea how many alphas and betas we'll do for 2.1, so also no graph. If historical data is what he was after, this is available: http://www-archive.mozilla.org/releases/history.html ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: When will SeaMonkey use Firefox v3.6.2's Gecko version?
MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 4/4/2010 14:41, Phillip Jones told the world: Ant wrote: On 4/4/2010 5:30 AM PT, Jens Hatlak typed: Never. 2.1 will use Gecko 1.9.3. We're skipping Gecko 1.9.2. Ah thanks! Any ETA on its public stable release? We are just now at 2.0.4 and 2.0 came out in OCT. so four versions in 6 months means one about every 6 weeks. If that continues That will mean another 36 weeks (6 times 6) or about 9 months. Just an educated guess based on how its been tracking so far. That's a faulty assumption. It implicitly assumes that there is necessarily going to be a continuous sequence, including 2.0.4, 2.0.5, 2.0.6, 2.0.7, 2.0.8, 2.0.9, 2.1.0. That's not how version numbers work at all. In fact, it breaks down in the following way: x.y.z, where x: Major version. Expect big changes when this number changes. Example: Seamonkey changed from XPFE to the Firefox toolkit when going from 1.x to 2.x. Don't be surprised if some of those changes will break compatibility in a big way with existing add-ons. y: Minor version. Some change in functionality, but usually not as visible. Compatibility breaks tend to be less common and more easily fixed. Sometimes, more significant revisions that don't quite rate a major version change will be represented by a large jump here -- like the jump from Firefox 3.0 to 3.5. z: Maintenance release. Bugfixs, mostly. No expected change in functionality or compatibility. (Some projects use four levels of version numbers) Note that this is NOT a strictly decimal system -- that is, any of those numbers can exceed one digit. Seamonkey 1.x, in fact, had as 1.1.19 as its last version -- under your logic, you would expect 1.1.10 to be called 1.2. Also, there's no reason why the maintenance would have to reach the 9 value before the minor version could be incremented. It might be that Seamonkey goes from 2.0.7 to 2.1.0, for instance. Best as I can remember we went through the .1 one progressions until 1.1.10 here they were .01 progressions where it was mostly patches for security reasons not adding features, and working out bugs. SM-SM1.1.19 had been out for a at least 3-4 years. and before that was Mozilla. Communicator was the last OS9 based Mozilla product usable on OS9 machines. But you are right progression doesn't have to go in .1, or .01 Progressions. Tomorrow what we might consider 2.0.5 might end up 2.2 The choice of what a company calls their software is up to the company. I was basing my assumption on how long SM 1 was around. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: When will SeaMonkey use Firefox v3.6.2's Gecko version?
Robert Kaiser wrote: Phillip Jones schrieb: Ant wrote: On 4/4/2010 5:30 AM PT, Jens Hatlak typed: Never. 2.1 will use Gecko 1.9.3. We're skipping Gecko 1.9.2. Ah thanks! Any ETA on its public stable release? We are just now at 2.0.4 and 2.0 came out in OCT. so four versions in 6 months means one about every 6 weeks. If that continues That will mean another 36 weeks (6 times 6) or about 9 months. Just an educated guess based on how its been tracking so far. Sorry, wrong thinking. 2.1 release planning has nothing to do with 2.0.x release planning, they are different stable branches. Robert Kaiser Isn't the expectation that once 2.1 comes out that all using 2.0 should abandon ship go directly to 2.1 and when 2.2 or 2.3 or 3.0 likewise. why would want to have several different branches that everyone could use wouldn't that spread your resources thin just to keep bug fixes a feature changes in several different branches at the same time. Wouldn't it be more conserving of time and resources to work on a version until it gets near end of all the bugs removed, and all the features added. Then when you get to the point you just patching for security issues move on to working on a new version. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: When will SeaMonkey use Firefox v3.6.2's Gecko version?
Phillip Jones schrieb: Isn't the expectation that once 2.1 comes out that all using 2.0 should abandon ship go directly to 2.1 and when 2.2 or 2.3 or 3.0 likewise. No, not everyone can do that (some OSes supported by 2.0.x will not be supported by 2.1, e.g. Tiger) and not everyone wants to jump on the .0 release of the new branch right away. We won't even send the major update offer to everyone right away through the update system. Wouldn't it be more conserving of time and resources to work on a version until it gets near end of all the bugs removed, and all the features added. No piece of even just slightly complex software will ever be at that point at any point in time. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: When will SeaMonkey use Firefox v3.6.2's Gecko version?
Robert Kaiser wrote: Ant schrieb: On 4/4/2010 5:30 AM PT, Jens Hatlak typed: Never. 2.1 will use Gecko 1.9.3. We're skipping Gecko 1.9.2. Ah thanks! Any ETA on its public stable release? Some time in fall this year, we hope right at the same time as the next Firefox gets released (maybe a week or two later so our news doesn't drown in the Firefox news echo). I have a better idea, release Seamonkey a few weeks early, then Firefox can add fixes for the inevitable bugs, small or large, and 2.1.2 can come out with the next Firefox. Or is it politically necessary that Seamonkey always be behind? -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: When will SeaMonkey use Firefox v3.6.2's Gecko version?
Bill Davidsen schrieb: I have a better idea, release Seamonkey a few weeks early, then Firefox can add fixes for the inevitable bugs, small or large, and 2.1.2 can come out with the next Firefox. You mean ship SeaMonkey with more unexplored bugs, i.e. when the platform isn't tested well enough that it's ready for a stable release? The Firefox stable releases are also the platform stable releases, so releasing earlier based on the same platform means releasing a platform that isn't ready for prime time yet. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: When will SeaMonkey use Firefox v3.6.2's Gecko version?
On 4/5/2010 11:33 AM PT, Bill Davidsen typed: I have a better idea, release Seamonkey a few weeks early, then Firefox can add fixes for the inevitable bugs, small or large, and 2.1.2 can come out with the next Firefox. Or is it politically necessary that Seamonkey always be behind? Heck no. Let Firefox go first with the bugs. ;) -- When an ant gets wings, it loses its head. --Bosnian Proverb /\___/\ Phil./Ant @ http://antfarm.ma.cx (Personal Web Site) / /\ /\ \Ant's Quality Foraged Links: http://aqfl.net | |o o| | \ _ /If crediting, then use Ant nickname and AQFL URL/link. ( ) If e-mailing, then axe ANT from its address if needed. Ant is currently not listening to any songs on this computer. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: When will SeaMonkey use Firefox v3.6.2's Gecko version?
On 4/4/2010 7:02 PM PT, Robert Kaiser typed: Ant schrieb: Does SM have a map of its versions? I remember it (and original Mozilla suite) used to, but I couldn't find it a few months ago. What do you mean with a map? The release dates graph. -- When an ant gets wings, it loses its head. --Bosnian Proverb /\___/\ Phil./Ant @ http://antfarm.ma.cx (Personal Web Site) / /\ /\ \Ant's Quality Foraged Links: http://aqfl.net | |o o| | \ _ /If crediting, then use Ant nickname and AQFL URL/link. ( ) If e-mailing, then axe ANT from its address if needed. Ant is currently not listening to any songs on this computer. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: When will SeaMonkey use Firefox v3.6.2's Gecko version?
Ant wrote: I read that Firefox v3.6 is built on Gecko v1.9.2, and SeaMonkey v2.0.4 is using v1.9.1.9 (Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 SeaMonkey/2.0.4). When will SeaMonkey be using Gecko v1.9.2 version for public stable release and any estimate on its release? v2.1? Never. 2.1 will use Gecko 1.9.3. We're skipping Gecko 1.9.2. HTH Jens -- Jens Hatlak http://jens.hatlak.de/ SeaMonkey Trunk Tracker http://smtt.blogspot.com/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: When will SeaMonkey use Firefox v3.6.2's Gecko version?
On Sun, 04 Apr 2010 05:54:18 -0700, Ant wrote: On 4/4/2010 5:30 AM PT, Jens Hatlak typed: Never. 2.1 will use Gecko 1.9.3. We're skipping Gecko 1.9.2. Ah thanks! Any ETA on its public stable release? It'll be ready when we stick a fork in it. Phil -- Philip Chee phi...@aleytys.pc.my, philip.c...@gmail.com http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ http://xsidebar.mozdev.org Guard us from the she-wolf and the wolf, and guard us from the thief, oh Night, and so be good for us to pass. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: When will SeaMonkey use Firefox v3.6.2's Gecko version?
Ant schrieb: On 4/4/2010 5:30 AM PT, Jens Hatlak typed: Never. 2.1 will use Gecko 1.9.3. We're skipping Gecko 1.9.2. Ah thanks! Any ETA on its public stable release? Some time in fall this year, we hope right at the same time as the next Firefox gets released (maybe a week or two later so our news doesn't drown in the Firefox news echo). Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: When will SeaMonkey use Firefox v3.6.2's Gecko version?
On 4/4/2010 7:10 AM PT, Robert Kaiser typed: Never. 2.1 will use Gecko 1.9.3. We're skipping Gecko 1.9.2. Ah thanks! Any ETA on its public stable release? Some time in fall this year, we hope right at the same time as the next Firefox gets released (maybe a week or two later so our news doesn't drown in the Firefox news echo). Wow, in autumn. Long time. Thanks. :) -- The general, unable to control his irritation, will launch his men to the assault like swarming ants, with the result that one-third of his men are slain, while the town still remains untaken. Such are the disastrous effects of a siege. --Chapter 3 in Sun Tzu's The Ancient Art of War (Translated by Lionel Giles) /\___/\ Phil./Ant @ http://antfarm.ma.cx (Personal Web Site) / /\ /\ \Ant's Quality Foraged Links: http://aqfl.net | |o o| | \ _ /If crediting, then use Ant nickname and AQFL URL/link. ( ) If e-mailing, then axe ANT from its address if needed. Ant is currently not listening to any songs on this computer. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: When will SeaMonkey use Firefox v3.6.2's Gecko version?
Ant wrote: On 4/4/2010 5:30 AM PT, Jens Hatlak typed: Never. 2.1 will use Gecko 1.9.3. We're skipping Gecko 1.9.2. Ah thanks! Any ETA on its public stable release? We are just now at 2.0.4 and 2.0 came out in OCT. so four versions in 6 months means one about every 6 weeks. If that continues That will mean another 36 weeks (6 times 6) or about 9 months. Just an educated guess based on how its been tracking so far. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: When will SeaMonkey use Firefox v3.6.2's Gecko version?
Interviewed by CNN on 4/4/2010 14:41, Phillip Jones told the world: Ant wrote: On 4/4/2010 5:30 AM PT, Jens Hatlak typed: Never. 2.1 will use Gecko 1.9.3. We're skipping Gecko 1.9.2. Ah thanks! Any ETA on its public stable release? We are just now at 2.0.4 and 2.0 came out in OCT. so four versions in 6 months means one about every 6 weeks. If that continues That will mean another 36 weeks (6 times 6) or about 9 months. Just an educated guess based on how its been tracking so far. That's a faulty assumption. It implicitly assumes that there is necessarily going to be a continuous sequence, including 2.0.4, 2.0.5, 2.0.6, 2.0.7, 2.0.8, 2.0.9, 2.1.0. That's not how version numbers work at all. In fact, it breaks down in the following way: x.y.z, where x: Major version. Expect big changes when this number changes. Example: Seamonkey changed from XPFE to the Firefox toolkit when going from 1.x to 2.x. Don't be surprised if some of those changes will break compatibility in a big way with existing add-ons. y: Minor version. Some change in functionality, but usually not as visible. Compatibility breaks tend to be less common and more easily fixed. Sometimes, more significant revisions that don't quite rate a major version change will be represented by a large jump here -- like the jump from Firefox 3.0 to 3.5. z: Maintenance release. Bugfixs, mostly. No expected change in functionality or compatibility. (Some projects use four levels of version numbers) Note that this is NOT a strictly decimal system -- that is, any of those numbers can exceed one digit. Seamonkey 1.x, in fact, had as 1.1.19 as its last version -- under your logic, you would expect 1.1.10 to be called 1.2. Also, there's no reason why the maintenance would have to reach the 9 value before the minor version could be incremented. It might be that Seamonkey goes from 2.0.7 to 2.1.0, for instance. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... BOFH excuse #196: Me no internet, only janitor, me just wax floors. *Added by TagZilla 0.066.2 running on Seamonkey 2.0.4 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: When will SeaMonkey use Firefox v3.6.2's Gecko version?
On 4/4/2010 2:42 PM PT, MCBastos typed: Never. 2.1 will use Gecko 1.9.3. We're skipping Gecko 1.9.2. Ah thanks! Any ETA on its public stable release? We are just now at 2.0.4 and 2.0 came out in OCT. so four versions in 6 months means one about every 6 weeks. If that continues That will mean another 36 weeks (6 times 6) or about 9 months. Just an educated guess based on how its been tracking so far. That's a faulty assumption. It implicitly assumes that there is necessarily going to be a continuous sequence, including 2.0.4, 2.0.5, 2.0.6, 2.0.7, 2.0.8, 2.0.9, 2.1.0. That's not how version numbers work at all. In fact, it breaks down in the following way: x.y.z, where x: Major version. Expect big changes when this number changes. Example: Seamonkey changed from XPFE to the Firefox toolkit when going from 1.x to 2.x. Don't be surprised if some of those changes will break compatibility in a big way with existing add-ons. y: Minor version. Some change in functionality, but usually not as visible. Compatibility breaks tend to be less common and more easily fixed. Sometimes, more significant revisions that don't quite rate a major version change will be represented by a large jump here -- like the jump from Firefox 3.0 to 3.5. z: Maintenance release. Bugfixs, mostly. No expected change in functionality or compatibility. (Some projects use four levels of version numbers) Note that this is NOT a strictly decimal system -- that is, any of those numbers can exceed one digit. Seamonkey 1.x, in fact, had as 1.1.19 as its last version -- under your logic, you would expect 1.1.10 to be called 1.2. Also, there's no reason why the maintenance would have to reach the 9 value before the minor version could be incremented. It might be that Seamonkey goes from 2.0.7 to 2.1.0, for instance. Does SM have a map of its versions? I remember it (and original Mozilla suite) used to, but I couldn't find it a few months ago. -- When you turn on a light in a room, what happens? Shaw said. The roaches scatter, but the ants keep marching. You can step on them, throw water on them, but they keep on marching. I want ants for my defense. --Willy Shaw /\___/\ Phil./Ant @ http://antfarm.ma.cx (Personal Web Site) / /\ /\ \Ant's Quality Foraged Links: http://aqfl.net | |o o| | \ _ /If crediting, then use Ant nickname and AQFL URL/link. ( ) If e-mailing, then axe ANT from its address if needed. Ant is currently not listening to any songs on this computer. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: When will SeaMonkey use Firefox v3.6.2's Gecko version?
On Sun, 04 Apr 2010 18:42:09 -0300, MCBastos wrote: Note that this is NOT a strictly decimal system -- that is, any of those numbers can exceed one digit. Seamonkey 1.x, in fact, had as 1.1.19 as its last version -- under your logic, you would expect 1.1.10 to be called 1.2. I blame Microsoft for this false expectation. Also, there's no reason why the maintenance would have to reach the 9 value before the minor version could be incremented. It might be that Seamonkey goes from 2.0.7 to 2.1.0, for instance. Think of this as a variation of the Dewey (or Universal) Decimal systems used by librarians. If you've ever tried to find a reference book in a puiblic lending library you would be familiar with this system. Phil -- Philip Chee phi...@aleytys.pc.my, philip.c...@gmail.com http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ http://xsidebar.mozdev.org Guard us from the she-wolf and the wolf, and guard us from the thief, oh Night, and so be good for us to pass. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: When will SeaMonkey use Firefox v3.6.2's Gecko version?
Phillip Jones schrieb: Ant wrote: On 4/4/2010 5:30 AM PT, Jens Hatlak typed: Never. 2.1 will use Gecko 1.9.3. We're skipping Gecko 1.9.2. Ah thanks! Any ETA on its public stable release? We are just now at 2.0.4 and 2.0 came out in OCT. so four versions in 6 months means one about every 6 weeks. If that continues That will mean another 36 weeks (6 times 6) or about 9 months. Just an educated guess based on how its been tracking so far. Sorry, wrong thinking. 2.1 release planning has nothing to do with 2.0.x release planning, they are different stable branches. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: When will SeaMonkey use Firefox v3.6.2's Gecko version?
MCBastos schrieb: Also, there's no reason why the maintenance would have to reach the 9 value before the minor version could be incremented. It might be that Seamonkey goes from 2.0.7 to 2.1.0, for instance. Actually, there will be some time when we release both 2.0.x and 2.1.y versions in parallel. The branches are not closely related. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: When will SeaMonkey use Firefox v3.6.2's Gecko version?
Ant schrieb: Does SM have a map of its versions? I remember it (and original Mozilla suite) used to, but I couldn't find it a few months ago. What do you mean with a map? Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
