Re: constipated email on occasion - Frank-Rainer Grahl pls read this post

2020-08-04 Thread Don Spam's Reckless Son

David H. Durgee wrote:

Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:

David H. Durgee wrote:

Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:

At least one developer, Frank-Rainer Grahl, monitors this newsgroup.
Perhaps he can look at this post and let me know if it merits a bug
report.  It might be a known problem or one impossible to fix for some
reason.  As it is infrequent I can live with it if necessary.

Dave



If it is not easily reproducable a fix in the near future is unlikely.
Filing a bug in this case would only be good so that others who have the
same problem can find it and so can help track it down. With the current
state of affairs I just wouldn't just hold my breath for this to happen.
Bugs are cheap so your decision. Just don't be discouraged when nothing
happens with it.

FRG


I just had this bite me again today.  Annoying.

Is there a way to get pop-up notification when the POP mail request
fails in this manner?  Perhaps some config setting or a setting
somewhere in mail configuration I have missed?

Right now the only way I find out is if I right-click on the mail
account and select "get messages for account", as that WILL result in a
pop-up when there is an error.  If I am otherwise occupied I may not
notice for hours that I have a problem, which happened to me today.

Dave



If this is happening in Thunderbird as well - and WaltS48 seems to think 
it is - then a bug report against Thunderbird would be the best chance 
for a long term solution.

Maybe there is such a bug-report already, then it would need votes?

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Re: constipated email on occasion - Frank-Rainer Grahl pls read this post

2019-03-07 Thread David H. Durgee
Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:
> David H. Durgee wrote:
>> Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:
>>
>> At least one developer, Frank-Rainer Grahl, monitors this newsgroup.
>> Perhaps he can look at this post and let me know if it merits a bug
>> report.  It might be a known problem or one impossible to fix for some
>> reason.  As it is infrequent I can live with it if necessary.
>>
>> Dave
>>
> 
> If it is not easily reproducable a fix in the near future is unlikely.
> Filing a bug in this case would only be good so that others who have the
> same problem can find it and so can help track it down. With the current
> state of affairs I just wouldn't just hold my breath for this to happen.
> Bugs are cheap so your decision. Just don't be discouraged when nothing
> happens with it.
> 
> FRG

I just had this bite me again today.  Annoying.

Is there a way to get pop-up notification when the POP mail request
fails in this manner?  Perhaps some config setting or a setting
somewhere in mail configuration I have missed?

Right now the only way I find out is if I right-click on the mail
account and select "get messages for account", as that WILL result in a
pop-up when there is an error.  If I am otherwise occupied I may not
notice for hours that I have a problem, which happened to me today.

Dave

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Re: constipated email on occasion - Frank-Rainer Grahl pls read this post

2018-12-18 Thread Frank-Rainer Grahl

David H. Durgee wrote:

Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:

At least one developer, Frank-Rainer Grahl, monitors this newsgroup.
Perhaps he can look at this post and let me know if it merits a bug
report.  It might be a known problem or one impossible to fix for some
reason.  As it is infrequent I can live with it if necessary.

Dave



If it is not easily reproducable a fix in the near future is unlikely. Filing 
a bug in this case would only be good so that others who have the same problem 
can find it and so can help track it down. With the current state of affairs I 
just wouldn't just hold my breath for this to happen. Bugs are cheap so your 
decision. Just don't be discouraged when nothing happens with it.


FRG
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Re: constipated email on occasion - Frank-Rainer Grahl pls read this post

2018-12-17 Thread David H. Durgee
Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:
> David H. Durgee wrote:
>> Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:
>>> David H. Durgee wrote:
 Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:
> David H. Durgee wrote:
>> Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:
>>> David H. Durgee wrote:
 On occasion I am encountering cases where my email becomes
 "constipated"
 here with SM 2.49.4 on linux mint 18.3 x64.  This happens after
 SM is
 running for a while.  When the problem occurs I notice that I am
 seeing
 no new email downloaded for an unusual period of time.  At that
 point if
 I go and and request a download of new messages I will get some
 strange
 message about UIDL and other things not being supported on the mail
 server.

 I attempted to clear this by closing the news/mail window and then
 re-opening it, but that accomplishes nothing.  Closing SM entirely
 and
 restarting it corrects this problem and I then get a download of
 all
 messages that were waiting on the mail servers.

 Is anyone else seeing this?  Is this a known bug?  Are there any
 actions
 I can take to avoid this problem?  If it is a know problem, when
 will it
 be fixed?

 Dave

>>>
>>> I'd never even heard of UIDL but
>>> http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=2446961 and
>>> another
>>> link from 1996 told me a bit more.
>>> A question: How many mails have you already received in the session
>>> before this happens?
>>
>> Don't know or keep track.  I have six different email accounts
>> monitored, some POP3 and some IMAP here.  It is usually several days
>> after I restart SM and occurs infrequently.  I normally only
>> restart SM
>> when the memory leaks use so much excess memory that it makes
>> sense to
>> do so.
>>
>>> https://www.emailarchitect.net/eagetmail/sdk/html/object_uidl.htm
>>> is for
>>> people writing mail clients but it helped my understanding of the
>>> issue.
>>> I just ignored the programming stuff.
>>
>>    From the error message I get it appears that this is part of
>> what is
>> required to leave messages on the server and keep the server
>> messages in
>> sync with your local inbox with deletions.
>>
>> Don't know if this provides any additional useful information.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>
> This is way outside my "zone".  My PC runs when I am at home and
> awake -
> or not even then - which is probably typical usage, the number of
> email
> accounts does match though.
> The big question is: Is this behaviour inherited from Thunderbird
> or is
> it peculiar to Seamonkey.  Without bothering about pesky things like
> evidence, I'll go for Thunderbird.
> I suppose you could raise a bug report against Seamonkey, it would
> then
> presumably be reassigned to TB.
> When your mail client goes autistic, does that only affect the pop3
> accounts or does it affect the imap ones as well?
>
>

 Well, I just hit the problem this morning.  The exact popup I got was:

 The POP3 mail server (pop.verizon.net) does not support UIDL or XTND
 XLST, which are required to implement the ``Leave on Server'',
 ``Maximum
 Message Size'' or ``Fetch Headers Only'' options. To download your
 mail,
 turn off these options in the Server Settings for your mail server in
 the Account Settings window.

 Interestingly, it is only happening to ONE POP3 account.  All other
 accounts work normally, both POP3 and IMAP accounts.

 In terms of how long it has been running:

 hdurgee@Z560 ~ $ ps -ef | grep seamo
 dhdurgee 29758  2260 18 Dec12 ?    21:02:07 seamonkey
 dhdurgee 30205  4366  0 09:03 pts/1    00:00:00 grep --color=auto seamo
 dhdurgee@Z560 ~ $

 I will now restart SM and it should go away.

 Dave

>>>
>>> Do you actually have one of the 'Leave on Server', 'Maximum Message
>>> Size' or 'Fetch Headers Only' options set?
>>> I make routine use of the first one - so that my mails arrive on my PC,
>>> My Laptop and my Android Phone - but close down the PC and Laptop after
>>> just a few hours so have never seen this error.
>>> I do not have a clue if this is a Verizon problem although I rather
>>> doubt it.  You survive almost 4 days.
>>>
>>> Andrew
>>>
>>
>> I do have "Leave on Server" and "Until I delete them" checked.  I do so
>> so that I have the option to access them remotely when out of the office.
>>
>> Dave
>>
> At least the error-message is genuine.
> I'm about to head "off the reservation" for just over two weeks and will
> not be frequenting this newsgroup during that period.  Only a developer
> could help now anyway, if you want to take things fu