Re: SM 2.04 - compacting folders at convenient times
On 4/23/2010 3:50 AM, Test wrote: I know my trash folder is an integral part of my filing system And I have emails that are several months old in it. Most files though are moved to one of the many other folders I have. I have automatic compacting but the threshold for it very low so it does not take very long. When I had it set to manual I would forget and folder would become huge. I'll try the low threshold - hadn't thought about how frequent but quick compacting might be less annoying than the reverse, but it sounds like a good idea. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.04 - compacting folders at convenient times
MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 21/4/2010 08:27, Daniel told the world: O.K., well if that's the situation then you should probably know that when you move an e-mail from the inbox to the Trash folder, it's not really moved, it's just marked for deletion (one of the bits in the header is changed from a zero to a one, or something). Well, THIS part is correct... Then, when you Empty Trash, all the stuff that's still in your inbox that's marked for deletion is actually deleted. Until then, the e-mail is still in your inbox file, just not showing. Yep, my mistake, the bit isn't changed until the Trash is emptied, and the message is actually removed as part of the compaction process. Daniel ...but this one isn't. Actually, the marked for deletion message in the inbox is deleted when the folder is compacted, which is independent on having the Trash emptied. Emptying the Trash has the same effect as (re-)deleting all messages in the Trash and then compacting it -- but since Seamonkey does not have to worry about *keeping* stuff, it can take the shortcut of deleting the entire folder and recreating it as a new mail folder, which is way faster. So having all these e-mails still, really, in your inbox is why it's taking soo long to re-index. The problem is not the deleted messages, is the *remaining* messages. I try keeping mine under a thousand. If there are significantly-sized groups of messages with a common theme (same sender company, for instant) it would probably be better to set up a rule and send those directly to a separate folder. This improves both performance (because the inbox doesn't grow so much) and organization. For instance, I subscribe several mailing lists and Yahoogroups; all of them have their own folders. Most of them are of the non-urgent variety -- so keeping them in separate folders keeps my Inbox uncluttered; when I'm busy, I just ignore those folders. When I have time I go to those and read them. I was going to suggest that you stop Trashing these messages, but maybe you could try marking them as Junk, but I think that would really be the same thing. Similar, in that the message is (usually) moved to the Junk folder, where they will be kept for a while and then deleted; but different, in that marking it as junk trains the program to recognize similar message with the goal of tagging them as junk automatically. You REALLY, REALLY SHOULDN'T tag relevant (but old) messages as junk. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.04 - compacting folders at convenient times
flyguy wrote: Daniel wrote: flyguy wrote: Taking a closer look, I can see the biggest one is the Trash at ~7000 messages. That's with a 60 day retention period. The Inbox is only 200, but at times gets closer to 1000; again, a 60 day retention policy. She belongs to a number of busy sewing and quilting groups, which are filtered to individual folders, but she deletes most of those messages, so they don't build up. As long as I remember to compact manually now and then when she's not at her desk, then usually no complaints. This last one was probably due to an ISP quirk, and not the compacting. Why does anyone want to store (i.e. keep) anything in the Trash folder...for one day let alone 60 days?? Make yourself/your Wife some extra folders to store the data in!! It's not be stored in the Trash, it's deferred deletion like the Recycle Bin. If you haven't needed it after 60 days, you can probably live without it, and the system does finally automatically delete it. She does save messages she wants to keep in various folders. Personally, I pull stuff out of the Trash a few times a month, sometimes to save, sometimes because a situation I thought was over comes back to life, but usually just remind myself of something. I use a 90 day retention period, which is satisfactory 99.99% of the time. Very rarely, not even once a year, I might have to go to a mail backup file and find what I've after. O.K., well if that's the situation then you should probably know that when you move an e-mail from the inbox to the Trash folder, it's not really moved, it's just marked for deletion (one of the bits in the header is changed from a zero to a one, or something). Then, when you Empty Trash, all the stuff that's still in your inbox that's marked for deletion is actually deleted. Until then, the e-mail is still in your inbox file, just not showing. So having all these e-mails still, really, in your inbox is why it's taking soo long to re-index. I was going to suggest that you stop Trashing these messages, but maybe you could try marking them as Junk, but I think that would really be the same thing. So I've got no suggestion, unless it's to manually move the messages to another folder and then manually delete them some time later! Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.04 - compacting folders at convenient times
flyguy wrote: Daniel wrote: flyguy wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: flyguy wrote: My wife has some folders with 5000-7000 messages, which take a long time to compact, even though it's a dual core machine. Is there any way to set a time for SM to do the compacting, so it doesn't block normal use of the email? Turn off auto Compacting Preferences (settings) Mail news Network/ Storage. uncheck compact files when K can be saved. then do the compacting manually. Since I did so I stopped a whole lot of issues. I just checked, and that's the way it is set up, and I do manually compact hers whenever I notice mine being compacted (it's set auto). Hmmm. I now think she was having another problem that looked similar, and it got misdiagnosed - recently, our ISP was getting really slow on some mail accounts when a message of 2 or 3 mb was downloading, so that was probably it. I am disappointed I can't set a time, or that SM can't work around normal email operations when compacting, but it's an infrequent irritant. Thanks for the suggestion - still the best idea. Does your wife have all her mail in a single folder or has she broken the mail up into yearly folder for different mail, e.g. I store all my past mail in folders under the Local Folders as 2009_Family, 2008_Family, 2009_Work, 2008_Work, etc., etc.. Taking a closer look, I can see the biggest one is the Trash at ~7000 messages. That's with a 60 day retention period. The Inbox is only 200, but at times gets closer to 1000; again, a 60 day retention policy. She belongs to a number of busy sewing and quilting groups, which are filtered to individual folders, but she deletes most of those messages, so they don't build up. As long as I remember to compact manually now and then when she's not at her desk, then usually no complaints. This last one was probably due to an ISP quirk, and not the compacting. Why does anyone want to store (i.e. keep) anything in the Trash folder...for one day let alone 60 days?? Make yourself/your Wife some extra folders to store the data in!! Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.04 - compacting folders at convenient times
Daniel wrote: flyguy wrote: Taking a closer look, I can see the biggest one is the Trash at ~7000 messages. That's with a 60 day retention period. The Inbox is only 200, but at times gets closer to 1000; again, a 60 day retention policy. She belongs to a number of busy sewing and quilting groups, which are filtered to individual folders, but she deletes most of those messages, so they don't build up. As long as I remember to compact manually now and then when she's not at her desk, then usually no complaints. This last one was probably due to an ISP quirk, and not the compacting. Why does anyone want to store (i.e. keep) anything in the Trash folder...for one day let alone 60 days?? Make yourself/your Wife some extra folders to store the data in!! It's not be stored in the Trash, it's deferred deletion like the Recycle Bin. If you haven't needed it after 60 days, you can probably live without it, and the system does finally automatically delete it. She does save messages she wants to keep in various folders. Personally, I pull stuff out of the Trash a few times a month, sometimes to save, sometimes because a situation I thought was over comes back to life, but usually just remind myself of something. I use a 90 day retention period, which is satisfactory 99.99% of the time. Very rarely, not even once a year, I might have to go to a mail backup file and find what I've after. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.04 - compacting folders at convenient times
flyguy wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: flyguy wrote: My wife has some folders with 5000-7000 messages, which take a long time to compact, even though it's a dual core machine. Is there any way to set a time for SM to do the compacting, so it doesn't block normal use of the email? Turn off auto Compacting Preferences (settings) Mail news Network/ Storage. uncheck compact files when K can be saved. then do the compacting manually. Since I did so I stopped a whole lot of issues. I just checked, and that's the way it is set up, and I do manually compact hers whenever I notice mine being compacted (it's set auto). Hmmm. I now think she was having another problem that looked similar, and it got misdiagnosed - recently, our ISP was getting really slow on some mail accounts when a message of 2 or 3 mb was downloading, so that was probably it. I am disappointed I can't set a time, or that SM can't work around normal email operations when compacting, but it's an infrequent irritant. Thanks for the suggestion - still the best idea. Does your wife have all her mail in a single folder or has she broken the mail up into yearly folder for different mail, e.g. I store all my past mail in folders under the Local Folders as 2009_Family, 2008_Family, 2009_Work, 2008_Work, etc., etc.. Works for me. Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.04 - compacting folders at convenient times
Interviewed by CNN on 18/4/2010 23:12, flyguy told the world: My wife has some folders with 5000-7000 messages, which take a long time to compact, even though it's a dual core machine. Is there any way to set a time for SM to do the compacting, so it doesn't block normal use of the email? Speaking from personal experience, having big folders make the mail client quite slow even for simple tasks like opening a folder. I got into the habit of periodically (usually once a year) moving old messages to a separate subfolder. This has the consequence of tremendously speeding up the compacting process -- since the bulk of messages are in folders that *never change*, only the working folders are compacted. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Itseemsalittlecrowdedinheredontyouthink? *Added by TagZilla 0.066.2 running on Seamonkey 2.0.4 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.04 - compacting folders at convenient times
flyguy wrote: My wife has some folders with 5000-7000 messages, which take a long time to compact, even though it's a dual core machine. Is there any way to set a time for SM to do the compacting, so it doesn't block normal use of the email? Sounds like a good case for writing some message filters and installing subfolders. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.04 - compacting folders at convenient times
Daniel wrote: flyguy wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: flyguy wrote: My wife has some folders with 5000-7000 messages, which take a long time to compact, even though it's a dual core machine. Is there any way to set a time for SM to do the compacting, so it doesn't block normal use of the email? Turn off auto Compacting Preferences (settings) Mail news Network/ Storage. uncheck compact files when K can be saved. then do the compacting manually. Since I did so I stopped a whole lot of issues. I just checked, and that's the way it is set up, and I do manually compact hers whenever I notice mine being compacted (it's set auto). Hmmm. I now think she was having another problem that looked similar, and it got misdiagnosed - recently, our ISP was getting really slow on some mail accounts when a message of 2 or 3 mb was downloading, so that was probably it. I am disappointed I can't set a time, or that SM can't work around normal email operations when compacting, but it's an infrequent irritant. Thanks for the suggestion - still the best idea. Does your wife have all her mail in a single folder or has she broken the mail up into yearly folder for different mail, e.g. I store all my past mail in folders under the Local Folders as 2009_Family, 2008_Family, 2009_Work, 2008_Work, etc., etc.. Taking a closer look, I can see the biggest one is the Trash at ~7000 messages. That's with a 60 day retention period. The Inbox is only 200, but at times gets closer to 1000; again, a 60 day retention policy. She belongs to a number of busy sewing and quilting groups, which are filtered to individual folders, but she deletes most of those messages, so they don't build up. As long as I remember to compact manually now and then when she's not at her desk, then usually no complaints. This last one was probably due to an ISP quirk, and not the compacting. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
SM 2.04 - compacting folders at convenient times
My wife has some folders with 5000-7000 messages, which take a long time to compact, even though it's a dual core machine. Is there any way to set a time for SM to do the compacting, so it doesn't block normal use of the email? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.04 - compacting folders at convenient times
flyguy wrote: My wife has some folders with 5000-7000 messages, which take a long time to compact, even though it's a dual core machine. Is there any way to set a time for SM to do the compacting, so it doesn't block normal use of the email? Turn off auto Compacting Preferences (settings) Mail news Network/ Storage. uncheck compact files when K can be saved. then do the compacting manually. Since I did so I stopped a whole lot of issues. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.04 - compacting folders at convenient times
Phillip Jones wrote: flyguy wrote: My wife has some folders with 5000-7000 messages, which take a long time to compact, even though it's a dual core machine. Is there any way to set a time for SM to do the compacting, so it doesn't block normal use of the email? Turn off auto Compacting Preferences (settings) Mail news Network/ Storage. uncheck compact files when K can be saved. then do the compacting manually. Since I did so I stopped a whole lot of issues. I just checked, and that's the way it is set up, and I do manually compact hers whenever I notice mine being compacted (it's set auto). Hmmm. I now think she was having another problem that looked similar, and it got misdiagnosed - recently, our ISP was getting really slow on some mail accounts when a message of 2 or 3 mb was downloading, so that was probably it. I am disappointed I can't set a time, or that SM can't work around normal email operations when compacting, but it's an infrequent irritant. Thanks for the suggestion - still the best idea. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
