SeaMonkey 2.10 released

[Jens Hatlak]

The SeaMonkey project is proud to present SeaMonkey 2.10: The new major 
release of the all-in-one Internet suite is available for download [1] 
now! Building on the same Mozilla platform as the newest Firefox 
release, it delivers the latest developments in web technologies such as 
HTML5, hardware acceleration and improved JavaScript speed.


SeaMonkey 2.10 is available in 26 languages, for Windows, Mac OS X and 
Linux.


Most notably, this release features for the first time:
* The new minimum supported Windows version is now XP SP2,
  Windows 2000 support has been dropped
* The domain name is highlighted in the location bar by default now,
  configurable in Preferences
* The amount of tabs to be restored concurrently can be configured in
  Preferences now
* News username and password auth dialogs have been combined and show
  for which server the prompt is now
* The SPDY protocol now enabled by default for faster browsing on
  supported site
* The column-fill CSS property has been implemented
* Experimental support for ECMAScript 6 Map and Set objects has been
  implemented
* Support for the CSS3 background-position property extended syntax has
  been added
* The :invalid pseudo-class can now be applied to the  element
* The CSS turn unit is now supported
* Fixed several stability issues

For a more complete list of major changes [2] in SeaMonkey 2.10, see the 
What's New in SeaMonkey 2.10 section of the Release Notes [3], which 
also contain a list of known issues and answers to frequently asked 
questions. For a more general overview of the SeaMonkey project (and 
screen shots!), visit www.seamonkey-project.org.


Links:
[1] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/2.10
[2] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.10/changes
[3] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.10/

Greetings,

Jens

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.10 released

[Mort]

Jens Hatlak wrote:

The SeaMonkey project is proud to present SeaMonkey 2.10: The new major
release of the all-in-one Internet suite is available for download [1]
now! Building on the same Mozilla platform as the newest Firefox
release, it delivers the latest developments in web technologies such as
HTML5, hardware acceleration and improved JavaScript speed.

SeaMonkey 2.10 is available in 26 languages, for Windows, Mac OS X and
Linux.

Most notably, this release features for the first time:
* The new minimum supported Windows version is now XP SP2,
Windows 2000 support has been dropped
* The domain name is highlighted in the location bar by default now,
configurable in Preferences
* The amount of tabs to be restored concurrently can be configured in
Preferences now
* News username and password auth dialogs have been combined and show
for which server the prompt is now
* The SPDY protocol now enabled by default for faster browsing on
supported site
* The column-fill CSS property has been implemented
* Experimental support for ECMAScript 6 Map and Set objects has been
implemented
* Support for the CSS3 background-position property extended syntax has
been added
* The :invalid pseudo-class can now be applied to the  element
* The CSS turn unit is now supported
* Fixed several stability issues

For a more complete list of major changes [2] in SeaMonkey 2.10, see the
What's New in SeaMonkey 2.10 section of the Release Notes [3], which
also contain a list of known issues and answers to frequently asked
questions. For a more general overview of the SeaMonkey project (and
screen shots!), visit www.seamonkey-project.org.

Links:
[1] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/2.10
[2] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.10/changes
[3] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.10/

Greetings,

Jens


Hi jens,

Thanks for the notice, and for all the hard work that you and your group 
have done.


Has the previous bookmark problem been solved with this new release? I 
hope so.


Regards,

Mort Linder
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.10 released

[Jens Hatlak]

Mort wrote:

Thanks for the notice, and for all the hard work that you and your group
have done.


Much appreciated.


Has the previous bookmark problem been solved with this new release? I
hope so.


Which one? As explained in the release notes, there's a new issue 
relating to livemarks (feed bookmark folders) which will only be solved 
in 2.11 (or maybe 2.10.x if we'll have an oilspill release). Otherwise, 
the Known Issues sections should be comprehensive.


HTH

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.10 released

[NoOp]

On 06/06/2012 01:08 PM, Jens Hatlak wrote:
> Mort wrote:
>> Thanks for the notice, and for all the hard work that you and your group
>> have done.

+1

> 
> Much appreciated.
...

Unfortunately I'll have to continue to use 2.9 as the mail component is
completely unusable for me with the linux versions.

It's a shame that known bugs that cause a data loss[1] + loss of control
over the desktop mouse aren't considered to be important enough to
either block a release, or even get a dev comment on the
dev.apps.seamonkey group. Specifically:


[Mouse occasionally changes to drag cursor without clicking any buttons]
should be:
[Mouse changes to drag cursor without clicking any buttons - data loss]

BTW: I've just replicated with 2.10 final.

[1] data loss because the only way to regain use/control of the cursor
is to kill the seamonkey-bin process.
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.10 released

[NoOp]

On 06/06/2012 11:03 AM, Jens Hatlak wrote:
> The SeaMonkey project is proud to present SeaMonkey 2.10: The new major 
> release of the all-in-one Internet suite is available for download [1] 
> now! Building on the same Mozilla platform as the newest Firefox 
> release, it delivers the latest developments in web technologies such as 
> HTML5, hardware acceleration and improved JavaScript speed.
> 
> SeaMonkey 2.10 is available in 26 languages, for Windows, Mac OS X and 
> Linux.
Unfortunately I'll have to continue to use 2.9 as the mail component is
completely unusable for me with the linux versions.

It's a shame that known bugs that cause a data loss[1] + loss of control
over the desktop mouse aren't considered to be important enough to
either block a release, or even get a dev comment on the
dev.apps.seamonkey group. Specifically:


[Mouse occasionally changes to drag cursor without clicking any buttons]
should be:
[Mouse changes to drag cursor without clicking any buttons - data loss]

BTW: I've just replicated with 2.10 final.

[1] data loss because the only way to regain use/control of the cursor
is to kill the seamonkey-bin process.


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.10 released

[Hartmut Figge]

NoOp:

>
>[Mouse occasionally changes to drag cursor without clicking any buttons]
>should be:
>[Mouse changes to drag cursor without clicking any buttons - data loss]

I have never seen this on Linux x86_64 with SM trunk.

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.10 released

[Craig]

Jens Hatlak wrote:


* The domain name is highlighted in the location bar by default now,
   configurable in Preferences


Where? I looked and could not find it.


Craig
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.10 released

[Hartmut Figge]

Craig:
>Jens Hatlak wrote:

>> * The domain name is highlighted in the location bar by default now,
>>configurable in Preferences
>
>Where? I looked and could not find it.

'Highlight...' under Formatting
http://www.triffids.de/pub/screenshot/lo120607.png

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.10 released

[Craig]

Hartmut Figge wrote:

Craig:

Jens Hatlak wrote:



* The domain name is highlighted in the location bar by default now,
configurable in Preferences


Where? I looked and could not find it.


'Highlight...' under Formatting
http://www.triffids.de/pub/screenshot/lo120607.png

Hartmut


Yup, there it is. I must need to clean my glasses! :-)

Thanks,


Craig


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.10 released

[David E. Ross]

On 6/6/12 8:43 PM, Hartmut Figge wrote:
> Craig:
>> Jens Hatlak wrote:
> 
>>> * The domain name is highlighted in the location bar by default now,
>>>configurable in Preferences
>>
>> Where? I looked and could not find it.
> 
> 'Highlight...' under Formatting
> http://www.triffids.de/pub/screenshot/lo120607.png
> 
> Hartmut

I have that checked.  However, the domain in the address area (location
bar) does not look any different than the rest of the URI.

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.10 released

[Hartmut Figge]

David E. Ross:
>On 6/6/12 8:43 PM, Hartmut Figge wrote:

>> 'Highlight...' under Formatting
>> http://www.triffids.de/pub/screenshot/lo120607.png
>
>I have that checked.  However, the domain in the address area (location
>bar) does not look any different than the rest of the URI.

For me:
unchecked: http://www.triffids.de/pub/screenshot/lo120607-b.png
checked:   http://www.triffids.de/pub/screenshot/lo120607-c.png

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.10 released

[David E. Ross]

On 6/7/12 7:57 AM, Hartmut Figge wrote:
> David E. Ross:
>> On 6/6/12 8:43 PM, Hartmut Figge wrote:
> 
>>> 'Highlight...' under Formatting
>>> http://www.triffids.de/pub/screenshot/lo120607.png
>>
>> I have that checked.  However, the domain in the address area (location
>> bar) does not look any different than the rest of the URI.
> 
> For me:
> unchecked: http://www.triffids.de/pub/screenshot/lo120607-b.png
> checked:   http://www.triffids.de/pub/screenshot/lo120607-c.png
> 
> Hartmut

In those images, the only difference I see is that, in the "checked"
version, the w's are bold.

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.10 released

[Hartmut Figge]

David E. Ross:
>On 6/7/12 7:57 AM, Hartmut Figge wrote:

>> For me:
>> unchecked: http://www.triffids.de/pub/screenshot/lo120607-b.png
>> checked:   http://www.triffids.de/pub/screenshot/lo120607-c.png
>
>In those images, the only difference I see is that, in the "checked"
>version, the w's are bold.

Hm. I have now magnified the checked version with xmag.
http://www.triffids.de/pub/screenshot/lo120607-d.png

The domain heise.de is black and the rest of the address is gray. The
blurring is due to anti-aliasing. ;)

If you don't see the difference between the black and the gray, then it
is an issue with the settings of your monitor.

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.10 released

[Ed Mullen]

Craig wrote:

Jens Hatlak wrote:


* The domain name is highlighted in the location bar by default now,
   configurable in Preferences


Where? I looked and could not find it.


Craig


Domain is in bold and the rest of the URL is gray.  Is there a way to 
customize the coloring/background of the highlighting?


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.10 released

[Rufus]

Hartmut Figge wrote:

David E. Ross:

On 6/6/12 8:43 PM, Hartmut Figge wrote:



'Highlight...' under Formatting
http://www.triffids.de/pub/screenshot/lo120607.png


I have that checked.  However, the domain in the address area (location
bar) does not look any different than the rest of the URI.


For me:
unchecked: http://www.triffids.de/pub/screenshot/lo120607-b.png
checked:   http://www.triffids.de/pub/screenshot/lo120607-c.png

Hartmut



That's what I see too.

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.10 released

[Jens Hatlak]

Ed Mullen wrote:

Domain is in bold and the rest of the URL is gray.  Is there a way to
customize the coloring/background of the highlighting?


AFAICS it cannot be configured since the secondary color is set in the 
back-end (nsTextPaintStyle::GetURLSecondaryColor).


HTH

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.10 released

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Hartmut Figge wrote:


Hm. I have now magnified the checked version with xmag.


The domain heise.de is black and the rest of the address is gray.
The blurring is due to anti-aliasing. ;)

If you don't see the difference between the black and the gray, then
it is an issue with the settings of your monitor.


I can see the difference, here and on my own screen, but I have to look 
for it. I certainly wouldn't describe it as "highlighted," which is much 
more dramatic.


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.10 released

[NoOp]

On 06/06/2012 06:17 PM, Hartmut Figge wrote:
> NoOp:
> 
>>
>>[Mouse occasionally changes to drag cursor without clicking any buttons]
>>should be:
>>[Mouse changes to drag cursor without clicking any buttons - data loss]
> 
> I have never seen this on Linux x86_64 with SM trunk.
> 
> Hartmut

Can you try with 2.10? If I get a chance I'll try with trunk (2.13) as
well.

Thanks,

Gary

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.10 released

[Hartmut Figge]

Paul B. Gallagher:

>I can see the difference, here and on my own screen, but I have to look 
>for it. I certainly wouldn't describe it as "highlighted," which is much 
>more dramatic.

The term 'highlighted' is misleading. *g* In reality the domain remains
as it was and the remainder is grayed. ;)

So much grayed, that it is too difficult for me to read. Therefore i
have unchecked the option. It could be different if the colors were
adjustable.

Jens mentioned nsTextPaintStyle::GetURLSecondaryColor in the backend, so
there is a way to do it, at least for me, because i am compiling my SM
myself. Maybe there is also another way without compiling.

Has to be investigated. But it is not disturbing enough for me to do it.

Hartmut, lazy
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.10 released

[Hartmut Figge]

NoOp:
>On 06/06/2012 06:17 PM, Hartmut Figge wrote:
>> NoOp:

>>>
>>>[Mouse occasionally changes to drag cursor without clicking any buttons]
>>>should be:
>>>[Mouse changes to drag cursor without clicking any buttons - data loss]
>> 
>> I have never seen this on Linux x86_64 with SM trunk.
>
>Can you try with 2.10? If I get a chance I'll try with trunk (2.13) as
>well.

Well, hm, yes, i can. Sigh. Till then.

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.10 released

[Peter Nieman]

On 07/06/12 19:42, Hartmut Figge wrote:

The domain heise.de is black and the rest of the address is gray.


And the purpose of that is what?
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.10 released

[Hartmut Figge]

NoOp:
> On 06/06/2012 06:17 PM, Hartmut Figge wrote:
>> NoOp:

>>>
>>>[Mouse occasionally changes to drag cursor without clicking any buttons]
>>>should be:
>>>[Mouse changes to drag cursor without clicking any buttons - data loss]
>> 
>> I have never seen this on Linux x86_64 with SM trunk.
>> 
>> Hartmut
> 
> Can you try with 2.10? If I get a chance I'll try with trunk (2.13) as
> well.

Now on SM 2.10, Linux x68_64, called with ./seamonkey -mail -browser.
Immediately selected inbox and moved cursor around. No problem occurred.

Maybe it would on i686, but this one will not run on my machine. Missing
libraries. Have you tested with a fresh profile, no configuration except
creating a mail account?

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.10 released

[Hartmut Figge]

Peter Nieman:
> On 07/06/12 19:42, Hartmut Figge wrote:

>> The domain heise.de is black and the rest of the address is gray.
> 
> And the purpose of that is what?

Seems that someone has decided that only the domain is import enough in
the location bar. *g* You should read about this issue in the related
bug. Don't know the number.

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.10 released

[NoOp]

On 06/07/2012 12:54 PM, Hartmut Figge wrote:
> NoOp:
>> On 06/06/2012 06:17 PM, Hartmut Figge wrote:
>>> NoOp:
> 

[Mouse occasionally changes to drag cursor without clicking any buttons]
should be:
[Mouse changes to drag cursor without clicking any buttons - data loss]
>>> 
>>> I have never seen this on Linux x86_64 with SM trunk.
>>> 
>>> Hartmut
>> 
>> Can you try with 2.10? If I get a chance I'll try with trunk (2.13) as
>> well.
> 
> Now on SM 2.10, Linux x68_64, called with ./seamonkey -mail -browser.
> Immediately selected inbox and moved cursor around. No problem occurred.
> 
> Maybe it would on i686, but this one will not run on my machine. Missing
> libraries. Have you tested with a fresh profile, no configuration except
> creating a mail account?
> 

Note from the bug report:
"Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:13.0)
Gecko/20120522 Firefox/13.0 SeaMonkey/2.10"

If is profile related, then it is still a 2.10 issue:
"I cannot replicate if I fall back to SeaMonkey 2.9.1 (same machine,
same profile)."

And I'm pretty sure that I tested with test/clean profiles - from my
original post:
Message-ID: <5podnxuihnxwgvtsnz2dnuvz_h2dn...@mozilla.org>
"Forgot to mention in the bug report:
- I experience the same if started in safe-mode (no addons), so it is
not an addon issue, at least not that I can determine.
- I can replicate in 2.10b1
"
But of course I'll try again today.

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.10 released

[Hartmut Figge]

NoOp:
>On 06/07/2012 12:54 PM, Hartmut Figge wrote:

>> Now on SM 2.10, Linux x68_64, called with ./seamonkey -mail -browser.
>> Immediately selected inbox and moved cursor around. No problem occurred.
>> 
>> Maybe it would on i686, but this one will not run on my machine. Missing
>> libraries. Have you tested with a fresh profile, no configuration except
>> creating a mail account?
>
>Note from the bug report:
>"Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:13.0)
>Gecko/20120522 Firefox/13.0 SeaMonkey/2.10"

Ah, so it is not i686 vs. x86_64.

>If is profile related, then it is still a 2.10 issue:
>"I cannot replicate if I fall back to SeaMonkey 2.9.1 (same machine,
>same profile)."

Maybe 2.10 discovered an error in the profile which 2.9.1 ignored. :-P

>And I'm pretty sure that I tested with test/clean profiles - from my
>original post:
>Message-ID: <5podnxuihnxwgvtsnz2dnuvz_h2dn...@mozilla.org>
>"Forgot to mention in the bug report:
>- I experience the same if started in safe-mode (no addons), so it is
>not an addon issue, at least not that I can determine.
>- I can replicate in 2.10b1

safe-mode is not the same as a new profile.

>But of course I'll try again today.

:)

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.10 released

[James Cloos]

Jens Hatlak  writes:

> * The domain name is highlighted in the location bar by default now,
>   configurable in Preferences

How does one fix that to be legible?

I don’t mind the highlighting cocept, but the chosen colors suck.
Everything except the domain name is nearly illegible.

It would be *much* better to use bold for the highlight.  Or perhaps
bold-italic.

Or an entirely different colour.

Bit highlighting the domain name by desaturating the rest of the URL is
just plain /wrong/.

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.10 released

[Ricardo Palomares Martí­nez]

El 07/06/12 21:30, NoOp escribió:
> On 06/06/2012 06:17 PM, Hartmut Figge wrote:
>> NoOp:
>>
>>> 
>>> [Mouse occasionally changes to drag cursor without clicking any buttons]
>>> should be:
>>> [Mouse changes to drag cursor without clicking any buttons - data loss]
>>
>> I have never seen this on Linux x86_64 with SM trunk.
>>
>> Hartmut
> 
> Can you try with 2.10? If I get a chance I'll try with trunk (2.13) as
> well.


Confirmed also here, with both 2.10 and 2.12a2. Reported in bug. It
has happened for five or eight times (started SM in Mail window, in
two or three seconds the problem arises, it persists until I've closed
the application. After that, it has worked and I'm still running the
same session with Mail, Compose and Browser windows with no problem.

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.10 released

[Hartmut Figge]

Ricardo Palomares Martí­nez:

> Confirmed also here, with both 2.10 and 2.12a2. Reported in bug. It
> has happened for five or eight times (started SM in Mail window, in
> two or three seconds the problem arises, it persists until I've closed
> the application. After that, it has worked and I'm still running the
> same session with Mail, Compose and Browser windows with no problem.

Now i have tried 10-times with SM 2.10 Linux/x68_64 and am still unable
to reproduce the issue. In the report you mentioned that you are using
Gnome. Here is no desktop manager, only icewm. Hm.

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.10 released

[NoOp]

On 06/07/2012 02:37 PM, Hartmut Figge wrote:
> Ricardo Palomares Martí­nez:
> 
>> Confirmed also here, with both 2.10 and 2.12a2. Reported in bug. It
>> has happened for five or eight times (started SM in Mail window, in
>> two or three seconds the problem arises, it persists until I've closed
>> the application. After that, it has worked and I'm still running the
>> same session with Mail, Compose and Browser windows with no problem.
> 
> Now i have tried 10-times with SM 2.10 Linux/x68_64 and am still unable
> to reproduce the issue. In the report you mentioned that you are using
> Gnome. Here is no desktop manager, only icewm. Hm.
> 

Tested with a new install on two additional machines. See the bug report
for updates. Tested using both GNOME and KDE - result is the same, so it
is not a GNOME issue. I attached two screenshots:

1. https://bug736811.bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=631240
screenshot of opened mail client.
2. Selected newsgroup/inbox, moved cursor to select a subject, SeaMonkey
takes over the cursor.

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.10 released

[NoOp]

On 06/07/2012 02:25 PM, Ricardo Palomares Martí­nez wrote:
> El 07/06/12 21:30, NoOp escribió:
>> On 06/06/2012 06:17 PM, Hartmut Figge wrote:
>>> NoOp:
>>>
 
 [Mouse occasionally changes to drag cursor without clicking any buttons]
 should be:
 [Mouse changes to drag cursor without clicking any buttons - data loss]
>>>
>>> I have never seen this on Linux x86_64 with SM trunk.
>>>
>>> Hartmut
>> 
>> Can you try with 2.10? If I get a chance I'll try with trunk (2.13) as
>> well.
> 
> 
> Confirmed also here, with both 2.10 and 2.12a2. Reported in bug. It
> has happened for five or eight times (started SM in Mail window, in
> two or three seconds the problem arises, it persists until I've closed
> the application. After that, it has worked and I'm still running the
> same session with Mail, Compose and Browser windows with no problem.
> 

Thank you! I've updated the bug report as I tested with new installs
using both GNOME and KDE - same result.


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.10 released

[Robert Kaiser]

NoOp schrieb:

[1] data loss because the only way to regain use/control of the cursor
is to kill the seamonkey-bin process.


That's not the definition of data loss. That would be if persistent data 
on disk would be gone forever. This doesn't happen here.


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.10 released

[Robert Kaiser]

Peter Nieman schrieb:

On 07/06/12 19:42, Hartmut Figge wrote:

The domain heise.de is black and the rest of the address is gray.


And the purpose of that is what?


Educating users about what part of this monstrosity called "Address" is 
actually important in terms of making sure you are visiting what you 
think you are visiting. 
https://www.paypal.com.cgi-bin.webscr.cmd.login-run.evil.com (yes, I 
have seen such addresses in actual spam mail) and 
https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_login-run are completely 
different sites owned by different entities. Many people won't make out 
the difference unless you display them differently. Making "evil.com" 
stand out in one example and "paypal.com" in the other is something that 
can help there.


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.10 released

[NoOp]

Harmut,

On 06/07/2012 06:55 PM, NoOp wrote:
> On 06/07/2012 02:37 PM, Hartmut Figge wrote:
>> Ricardo Palomares Martí­nez:
>> 
>>> Confirmed also here, with both 2.10 and 2.12a2. Reported in bug. It
>>> has happened for five or eight times (started SM in Mail window, in
>>> two or three seconds the problem arises, it persists until I've closed
>>> the application. After that, it has worked and I'm still running the
>>> same session with Mail, Compose and Browser windows with no problem.
>> 
>> Now i have tried 10-times with SM 2.10 Linux/x68_64 and am still unable
>> to reproduce the issue. In the report you mentioned that you are using
>> Gnome. Here is no desktop manager, only icewm. Hm.
>> 
> 
> Tested with a new install on two additional machines. See the bug report
> for updates. Tested using both GNOME and KDE - result is the same, so it
> is not a GNOME issue. I attached two screenshots:
> 
> 1. https://bug736811.bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=631240
> screenshot of opened mail client.
> 2. Selected newsgroup/inbox, moved cursor to select a subject, SeaMonkey
> takes over the cursor.
> 

I just loaded up icewm & verified that it *does* occur using that dm (on
the two test machines with new installs) as well. I've noted the same in
the bug report.

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.10 released

[NoOp]

On 06/07/2012 07:17 PM, Robert Kaiser wrote:
> NoOp schrieb:
>> [1] data loss because the only way to regain use/control of the cursor
>> is to kill the seamonkey-bin process.
> 
> That's not the definition of data loss. That would be if persistent data 
> on disk would be gone forever. This doesn't happen here.
> 
> Robert Kaiser

Nonsense. Prior do discovering that I do have use of alt-F etc to use
the SeaMonkey menus, the only way (that I knew of) was to outright kill
the process. In that scenario, *any* data that the user might have been
working on is lost during that process. That *is* a data loss, and is
gone forever. If it is not, then perhaps you can enlighten us on how
data is not lost when the seamonkey process must be killed outright in
order to regain control of the mouse and keyboard.

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.10 released

[Paul B. Gallagher]

NoOp wrote:

On 06/07/2012 07:17 PM, Robert Kaiser wrote:

NoOp schrieb:

[1] data loss because the only way to regain use/control of the cursor
is to kill the seamonkey-bin process.


That's not the definition of data loss. That would be if persistent data
on disk would be gone forever. This doesn't happen here.

Robert Kaiser


Nonsense. Prior to discovering that I do have use of alt-F etc to
use the SeaMonkey menus, the only way (that I knew of) was to
outright kill the process. In that scenario, *any* data that the user
might have been working on is lost during that process. That *is* a
data loss, and is gone forever. If it is not, then perhaps you can
enlighten us on how data is not lost when the seamonkey process must
be killed outright in order to regain control of the mouse and
keyboard.


It all depends on what data are held in temporary, volatile storage that 
is cleared when the program is shut down. If you're talking about losing 
email messages that have already been stored in appropriate mailbox 
files, your description doesn't suggest that. If you're talking about 
losing a draft message that you haven't sent, that's more plausible.


I've had lots of SeaMonkey/Mozilla/Netscape crashes over the years, but 
all I've ever lost has been the volatile stuff like draft messages and 
partially filled forms that I haven't submitted to the hosting websites.


If you're losing something more substantial, please say so (e.g., are 
you getting corrupted mailboxes?). Otherwise, please dial back the 
hysteria a notch. I understand it's annoying and frustrating, but you're 
not losing the unpublished Great American Novel, are you?


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.10 released

[Robert Kaiser]

James Cloos schrieb:

How does one fix that to be legible?


Unfortunately that's not possible right now, it's hardcoded deep in 
Mozilla rendering engine code to have exactly this much of opacity being 
used for the non-toplevel-domain parts.


https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=680648 and 
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=683811 are filed on 
basically the same issue.


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.10 released

[Robert Kaiser]

NoOp schrieb:


[Mouse occasionally changes to drag cursor without clicking any buttons]


Also, when I still ran into something like this, I usually could resolve 
it either with actually performing some useless dragging operation in 
SeaMonkey or in the more grave cases with moving to a different window 
and dragging a file onto a SeaMonkey browser window, at which point the 
drag cursor would be gone and it would work again.
On trunk, those problems are gone for me as well, though. Sometime I see 
a drag icon getting locked in in the browser now, but moving over the 
tab bar and clicking in a place where it actually moves the active tab 
in a drag operation clears it out there.


Across SeaMonkey, three generations of Mozilla drag&drop code are at 
use, I guess somehow they don't like each other - or are conflicting 
with some Linux d&d code, as this seems to only affect Linux.


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.10 released

[Peter Nieman]

On 08/06/12 04:23, Robert Kaiser wrote:

Peter Nieman schrieb:

And the purpose of that is what?


Educating users about what part of this monstrosity called "Address" is
actually important in terms of making sure you are visiting what you
think you are visiting.
https://www.paypal.com.cgi-bin.webscr.cmd.login-run.evil.com (yes, I
have seen such addresses in actual spam mail) and
https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_login-run are completely
different sites owned by different entities. Many people won't make out
the difference unless you display them differently. Making "evil.com"
stand out in one example and "paypal.com" in the other is something that
can help there.


OK, so let's hope that users innocent enough to be fooled by such 
addresses will look at the highlighting and draw the right conclusions 
from it. (With "evil.com" it might actually work ;-)

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.10 released

[Hartmut Figge]

NoOp:
>On 06/07/2012 06:55 PM, NoOp wrote:

>> Tested with a new install on two additional machines. See the bug report
>> for updates. Tested using both GNOME and KDE - result is the same, so it
>> is not a GNOME issue. I attached two screenshots:
>> 
>> 1. https://bug736811.bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=631240

I believed you without the screenshot, but nevertheless, nice to see the
D&D cursor.

>> screenshot of opened mail client.
>> 2. Selected newsgroup/inbox, moved cursor to select a subject, SeaMonkey
>> takes over the cursor.
>
>I just loaded up icewm & verified that it *does* occur using that dm (on
>the two test machines with new installs) as well. I've noted the same in
>the bug report.

Interesting. I have now created a new profile with 2.10, created a mail
account and no configuration otherwise. Many times started 2.10 using
'./seamonkey -mail -P 2-10' and never seen the D&D cursor.

So the situation is that we both use the same SM on Linux, both with a
new profile with only a mail account and see different behavior. Hm.

For my mail account i use localhost for incoming and sending, so the ISP
doesn't matter. I had populated the Inbox with some mails via 'mail
hafi' using the program mail from a xterm.

The difference must be something on the OS. I am using Gentoo and have
never installed a desktop environment like Gnome, KDE, XFC etc. Using
one of these will result in daemons in the background.

How did you test icewm? On a fresh installation of Linux with *only*
icewm? A minimal installation?

Hartmut
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.10 released

[NoOp]

On 06/08/2012 08:59 AM, Hartmut Figge wrote:
> NoOp:
>>On 06/07/2012 06:55 PM, NoOp wrote:
> 
>>> Tested with a new install on two additional machines. See the bug report
>>> for updates. Tested using both GNOME and KDE - result is the same, so it
>>> is not a GNOME issue. I attached two screenshots:
>>> 
>>> 1. https://bug736811.bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=631240
> 
> I believed you without the screenshot, but nevertheless, nice to see the
> D&D cursor.
...
Hartmut, I've responded in the original thread so that we don't continue
to hijack the 'SeaMonkey 2.10 released thread. Please check:

"[SM 2.10 ] bug 736811 Mouse changes to drag cursor without clicking any
buttons"
Message-ID: 

Thanks,

Gary


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.10 released

[Hartmut Figge]

NoOp:

>Hartmut, I've responded in the original thread so that we don't continue
>to hijack the 'SeaMonkey 2.10 released thread. Please check:

That's better, yes.

Hartmut
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.10 released

[Mort]

Jens Hatlak wrote:

Mort wrote:

Thanks for the notice, and for all the hard work that you and your group
have done.


Much appreciated.


Has the previous bookmark problem been solved with this new release? I
hope so.


Which one? As explained in the release notes, there's a new issue
relating to livemarks (feed bookmark folders) which will only be solved
in 2.11 (or maybe 2.10.x if we'll have an oilspill release). Otherwise,
the Known Issues sections should be comprehensive.

HTH

Jens


Hi Jens,

In my last year's SM, when I wish to file a bookmark, the folder list 
appears, and I can then click on, e.g. MUSIC, Newstand, etc. and then 
click on OK. In the SM of a few months ago, when I click on file 
bookmark, a small area drops down, where I am supposed to choose the 
folder name, but many of my folder names are absent. This is most 
disconcerting, as my thousands of bookmarks get disorganized and 
difficult to locate. Has this been corrected in the newest SM iteration? 
I hope so.


Thank you.

Mort
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.10 released

[Daniel]

Mort wrote:

Jens Hatlak wrote:

Mort wrote:

Thanks for the notice, and for all the hard work that you and your group
have done.


Much appreciated.


Has the previous bookmark problem been solved with this new release? I
hope so.


Which one? As explained in the release notes, there's a new issue
relating to livemarks (feed bookmark folders) which will only be solved
in 2.11 (or maybe 2.10.x if we'll have an oilspill release). Otherwise,
the Known Issues sections should be comprehensive.

HTH

Jens


Hi Jens,

In my last year's SM, when I wish to file a bookmark, the folder list
appears, and I can then click on, e.g. MUSIC, Newstand, etc. and then
click on OK. In the SM of a few months ago, when I click on file
bookmark, a small area drops down, where I am supposed to choose the
folder name, but many of my folder names are absent. This is most
disconcerting, as my thousands of bookmarks get disorganized and
difficult to locate. Has this been corrected in the newest SM iteration?
I hope so.

Thank you.

Mort


Mort, in the bookmarks manager, it seems to me you need to click on the 
little arrowhead next to the, more normal, dropdown arrow.


If there is not a second arrowhead visible, maybe you need to expand the 
screen.


HTH

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Daniel


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.10 released

[Jens Hatlak]

Mort wrote:

In my last year's SM, when I wish to file a bookmark, the folder list
appears, and I can then click on, e.g. MUSIC, Newstand, etc. and then
click on OK. In the SM of a few months ago, when I click on file
bookmark, a small area drops down, where I am supposed to choose the
folder name, but many of my folder names are absent. This is most
disconcerting, as my thousands of bookmarks get disorganized and
difficult to locate. Has this been corrected in the newest SM iteration?
I hope so.


The new File Bookmark dialog is a bit different. The folder list is 
collapsed by default, but you can expand it using the button right next 
to the folder list drop-down. Since SM 2.9, this choice persists, i.e. 
the expanded state of the folder list (and the Tags list, plus the 
dialog size and position) is remembered. This is an improvement over 
FF's functionality (which our code was based upon). It just took us some 
time to get there and fix the regression from the migration to 
Places-based bookmarks.


HTH

Jens

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[Linux SM 2.10 ] bug 736811 was (Re: SeaMonkey 2.10 released)

[NoOp]

On 06/07/2012 07:43 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
..
> 
> If you're losing something more substantial, please say so (e.g., are 
> you getting corrupted mailboxes?). Otherwise, please dial back the 
> hysteria a notch. I understand it's annoying and frustrating, but you're 
> not losing the unpublished Great American Novel, are you?
> 

Hystaria my ass. I suspect that you'd be a little more than annoyed were
this to happen with your Windows version. Right?
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Re: [Linux SM 2.10 ] bug 736811 was (Re: SeaMonkey 2.10 released)

[Rufus]

NoOp wrote:

On 06/07/2012 07:43 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
..


If you're losing something more substantial, please say so (e.g., are
you getting corrupted mailboxes?). Otherwise, please dial back the
hysteria a notch. I understand it's annoying and frustrating, but you're
not losing the unpublished Great American Novel, are you?



Hystaria my ass. I suspect that you'd be a little more than annoyed were
this to happen with your Windows version. Right?



...welcome to the lost world of my apparently Mac-only random Master 
Password request bug...


...which is still broken in 2.10.

--
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Re: [Linux SM 2.10 ] bug 736811 was (Re: SeaMonkey 2.10 released)

[Paul B. Gallagher]

NoOp wrote:


On 06/07/2012 07:43 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: ..


If you're losing something more substantial, please say so (e.g.,
are you getting corrupted mailboxes?). Otherwise, please dial back
the hysteria a notch. I understand it's annoying and frustrating,
but you're not losing the unpublished Great American Novel, are
you?



Hystaria my ass. I suspect that you'd be a little more than annoyed
were this to happen with your Windows version. Right?


Most of the time, when I'm feeling sane and composed, my level of 
annoyance corresponds to the level of pain or the degree of loss. I 
don't know what you've lost, which is why I asked. If you lost your 
firstborn child, I wouldn't ask -- that would be obvious. But my best 
guess at this point is the limit of your "data loss" is a message you 
were composing, or maybe your most recent changes to a web page in 
Komposer since your last save. Annoying, yes; end of the world, no.


So what have you really lost? Other than your cool, I mean.

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