Re: pictures no longer show
Paul in Houston, TX wrote: Hawker wrote: Since updating from 2.49 to 2.52 the number of sites I now have to use with a different browser to work has significantly increased. I have a ton of new sites that the pictures no longer show up in. Someone else mentioned Home Depot and Reddit issues as some of them. The other surprising one is The Onion https://www.theonion.com/anna-kendrick-s-love-life-pulled-from-hbo-max-until-i-1843999236 For example works in Firefox but not Seamonkey. Is this also in the 52.3 fix? What is happening with the no picture bug? At least 2.52 fixed the go fund me page issue. As an experiment, try this UA override: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/60.0 Note that he's using Windows 7, is spoofing Linux really the way to go? -- spammo ergo sum, viruses courtesy of https://www.nsa.gov/malware/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: pictures no longer show
jcteyssier wrote: Hawker a écrit : On 6/12/2020 6:39 PM, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote: I have yet see a site that fails in 2.53.x and works in 2.49 but there may be some. On the other hand there are a lot of sites no longer working in 2.49. Home Depot, Ali Baba Redit, WLOS Facebook (locks up and crashes in 2.53 not in 2.49) The Onion Also SM 2.53 crashes or locks up multiple times a day for me, 2.49 crashed maybe once every other week for me. All these sites work in fine 2.49 but have serious issues in 2.53 Cool if you want to blame the site rather than Seamonkey when these sites work on every other browser I tried. But since the other browsers work I ain't buying it. The problem is clearly that SM doesn't have a large enough crew to keep it working and lots of broken sites. It's a shame as it clearly is the better browser. I love SM, I want to stay here but daily I find sites that don't work correctly with it. I don't trust Cromium at all, esp considering where it comes from. W10 ro, 2.53.2 here: https://www.homedepot.com/ : Access Denied, even with firefox https://french.alibaba.com/ : i do not use it but seems working Reddit: works but i prefer use old.reddit which is much smooth (no infinite scroll but page navigation instead) https://wlos.com/ : i do not use it but seems working Facebook: just try now: works here (use infinite scroll: definitely do not like this kind of presentation. Furthermore it is a heavy memory consuming) https://www.theonion.com/ i do not use it but seems working but missing images (not all) Jean-Charles Homedepot checks which country you are in so you are obviously outside its coverage area, which is presumably the US or the US. America First and all that. -- spammo ergo sum, viruses courtesy of https://www.nsa.gov/malware/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: pictures no longer show
Hawker wrote: On 6/13/2020 8:34 AM, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote: Frank. I don't even know where to start with a messed up response like yours. I don't use it, or I don't like that site is not a valid reason to dismiss a problem. All the sites I listed have serious functionality issues in 2.53 that they do not in 2.49. Many of the issues are buried beyond the home screen and unless you are a user it is lost to even try to explain. > > Your response to much of this reminds me of what activists call victim > blaming. IE if you didn't wear that sexy outfit you wouldn't have gotten raped > so it's your fault. If you didn't use that site that I don't like that works > in every other browser you tried you wouldn't have problems so it's your > fault, just don't use those sites. There we are again. Generalized statements not verifyable. I don't blame anyone because I know full well that SeaMonkey has problems with major sites mostly google. Can not be fixed in the near term because they just change them daily and the specs too. You can use whatever you want. I just say I don't becuase if I support them they will continue on their path. In any case I am a tiny minority so they wouldn probably even notice. Does not matter to me. If the site really has something I need I can always unse another browser. So far everything I need works fine. The bottom line is users are experiencing problems that we are not with other sites. We are, mostly not programmers, the things you ask for are beyond our time and/or technical ability. When I look at Bugzilla I am lost as it isn't readable or usable to a non programmer. Java console? Same thing. I'm an EE not a programmer. I am sorry. Submitting a crash id from about:crashes or opening Tools->Web Development->Error Console and looking at bold strings with the word error plus posting them somwhere does not need a master degree. Neither does describing the steps or problems and posting full urls. It just needs some organizing but it sure is easier to whine about unnamed crashes and sites not working. In the end you are right not not be easy or short term fixable so love it or leave it. FRG ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: pictures no longer show
On 6/13/2020 8:34 AM, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote: Hawker wrote: On 6/12/2020 6:39 PM, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote: I have yet see a site that fails in 2.53.x and works in 2.49 but there may be some. On the other hand there are a lot of sites no longer working in 2.49. Home Depot, Not accessible geo blocking Ali Baba Can browse fine. Where is the problem? Login related? Redit, Fixed in 2.53.3. Recent breakage. WLOS Works fine including video player. Where is the problem login related? Needed to whitelist a bunch of sites in NoScript. Facebook (locks up and crashes in 2.53 not in 2.49) Don't use is. Not aware of problems. The Onion Gave up. Sh*t site. Probably needs event features or new image formats ported but not sure. Also SM 2.53 crashes or locks up multiple times a day for me, 2.49 crashed maybe once every other week for me. 2.53 almost never crashes for me. The one crash I have now and then on shutdown is because of a work in prograss patch not in the tree. Without a crash id I just say you have hardware or other problems. You can prove me wrong by providing a crash id. All these sites work in fine 2.49 but have serious issues in 2.53 If they crash you have a different problem. Cool if you want to blame the site rather than Seamonkey when these sites work on every other browser I tried. But since the other browsers work I ain't buying it. Me neither. I know that SM is missing features and has problems. But I also know that 2.53 is better than 2.49 and that is what I said. Reddit is fixed in 2.53.3. Without a crash id nothing can be fixed or verified. And yes I blame sites like the onion because they are bloatad sh*t. And if you suppot these sites it is your choice and you might need a different browser. As you said. We can't keep up with a 100 people effitively working against you and turning out half baked specs and features just to support the latest Chrome. What I am sick of is general reports liks yours. Nothing works; Always crashes; Writing is on the wall; blablabla. This can not be fixed. There is the error log which should show javascript and other errors. There is the crash reporter. And there is bugzilla where problems can be reported at a last resort but need clear instructions to reproduce including urls not "I am running SeaMonkey for a day and then nothing works; it crashes daily without a reason; memory goes up by magic or whatever. FRG Frank. I don't even know where to start with a messed up response like yours. I don't use it, or I don't like that site is not a valid reason to dismiss a problem. All the sites I listed have serious functionality issues in 2.53 that they do not in 2.49. Many of the issues are buried beyond the home screen and unless you are a user it is lost to even try to explain. Your response to much of this reminds me of what activists call victim blaming. IE if you didn't wear that sexy outfit you wouldn't have gotten raped so it's your fault. If you didn't use that site that I don't like that works in every other browser you tried you wouldn't have problems so it's your fault, just don't use those sites. The bottom line is users are experiencing problems that we are not with other sites. We are, mostly not programmers, the things you ask for are beyond our time and/or technical ability. When I look at Bugzilla I am lost as it isn't readable or usable to a non programmer. Java console? Same thing. I'm an EE not a programmer. Look I get it. Y'all are over worked, under staffed, under funded. You are working with both hands tied behind your back and it is a losing battle for an obscure bowers that most people have never heard of. Kudos to you. I appreciate you keeping the abandoned Mozilla sweat going all these years but it clearly is getting to the end of it's acceptance and usability due to a lack of greater public interst. Reminds me of when I had to finally abandon my beloved Netscape 4.8. I feel for you. I don't want to dump on you or blame you for the problems. But the fact is that SM is many many revisions of the engine behind and there are more and more sites everyday that are breaking due to this. I started with Netscape 1.0 (yes I go back that far). I like SM, I want to continue with SM but at the point where I have to maintain two or three different browsers just to do do. Yes it sucks that Sites have to "turning out half baked specs and features just to support the latest Chrome." but that is the state and reality of the internet today and people need to use those "half baked and bad coded sites". We don't often have the option to just ignore a site as you seem to. If Digikey (another site I use daily that has some functional issues around refreshes in 2.53 that were not in 2.49) has issues it cost me and my clients time and money. I can't deal with that. I don't have the luxury to say "crappy site" and move on. that isn't reality. The realit
Re: pictures no longer show
Hawker wrote: On 6/12/2020 6:39 PM, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote: I have yet see a site that fails in 2.53.x and works in 2.49 but there may be some. On the other hand there are a lot of sites no longer working in 2.49. Home Depot, Not accessible geo blocking Ali Baba Can browse fine. Where is the problem? Login related? Redit, Fixed in 2.53.3. Recent breakage. WLOS Works fine including video player. Where is the problem login related? Needed to whitelist a bunch of sites in NoScript. Facebook (locks up and crashes in 2.53 not in 2.49) Don't use is. Not aware of problems. The Onion Gave up. Sh*t site. Probably needs event features or new image formats ported but not sure. Also SM 2.53 crashes or locks up multiple times a day for me, 2.49 crashed maybe once every other week for me. 2.53 almost never crashes for me. The one crash I have now and then on shutdown is because of a work in prograss patch not in the tree. Without a crash id I just say you have hardware or other problems. You can prove me wrong by providing a crash id. All these sites work in fine 2.49 but have serious issues in 2.53 If they crash you have a different problem. Cool if you want to blame the site rather than Seamonkey when these sites work on every other browser I tried. But since the other browsers work I ain't buying it. Me neither. I know that SM is missing features and has problems. But I also know that 2.53 is better than 2.49 and that is what I said. Reddit is fixed in 2.53.3. Without a crash id nothing can be fixed or verified. And yes I blame sites like the onion because they are bloatad sh*t. And if you suppot these sites it is your choice and you might need a different browser. As you said. We can't keep up with a 100 people effitively working against you and turning out half baked specs and features just to support the latest Chrome. What I am sick of is general reports liks yours. Nothing works; Always crashes; Writing is on the wall; blablabla. This can not be fixed. There is the error log which should show javascript and other errors. There is the crash reporter. And there is bugzilla where problems can be reported at a last resort but need clear instructions to reproduce including urls not "I am running SeaMonkey for a day and then nothing works; it crashes daily without a reason; memory goes up by magic or whatever. FRG ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: pictures no longer show
Hawker a écrit : On 6/12/2020 6:39 PM, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote: I have yet see a site that fails in 2.53.x and works in 2.49 but there may be some. On the other hand there are a lot of sites no longer working in 2.49. Home Depot, Ali Baba Redit, WLOS Facebook (locks up and crashes in 2.53 not in 2.49) The Onion Also SM 2.53 crashes or locks up multiple times a day for me, 2.49 crashed maybe once every other week for me. All these sites work in fine 2.49 but have serious issues in 2.53 Cool if you want to blame the site rather than Seamonkey when these sites work on every other browser I tried. But since the other browsers work I ain't buying it. The problem is clearly that SM doesn't have a large enough crew to keep it working and lots of broken sites. It's a shame as it clearly is the better browser. I love SM, I want to stay here but daily I find sites that don't work correctly with it. I don't trust Cromium at all, esp considering where it comes from. W10 ro, 2.53.2 here: https://www.homedepot.com/ : Access Denied, even with firefox https://french.alibaba.com/ : i do not use it but seems working Reddit: works but i prefer use old.reddit which is much smooth (no infinite scroll but page navigation instead) https://wlos.com/ : i do not use it but seems working Facebook: just try now: works here (use infinite scroll: definitely do not like this kind of presentation. Furthermore it is a heavy memory consuming) https://www.theonion.com/ i do not use it but seems working but missing images (not all) Jean-Charles ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: pictures no longer show
On 6/12/2020 6:39 PM, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote: I have yet see a site that fails in 2.53.x and works in 2.49 but there may be some. On the other hand there are a lot of sites no longer working in 2.49. Home Depot, Ali Baba Redit, WLOS Facebook (locks up and crashes in 2.53 not in 2.49) The Onion Also SM 2.53 crashes or locks up multiple times a day for me, 2.49 crashed maybe once every other week for me. All these sites work in fine 2.49 but have serious issues in 2.53 Cool if you want to blame the site rather than Seamonkey when these sites work on every other browser I tried. But since the other browsers work I ain't buying it. The problem is clearly that SM doesn't have a large enough crew to keep it working and lots of broken sites. It's a shame as it clearly is the better browser. I love SM, I want to stay here but daily I find sites that don't work correctly with it. I don't trust Cromium at all, esp considering where it comes from. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: pictures no longer show
Hawker wrote: On 6/11/2020 10:21 PM, Paul Bergsagel wrote: Paul in Houston, TX wrote: Hawker wrote: Since updating from 2.49 to 2.52 the number of sites I now have to use with a different browser to work has significantly increased. Thanx for verifying. That is discouraging. 2.53.2 broke a tone of sites and plug ins. I'm seriously thinking of going back to 2.49. This is very disheartening. Still wondering when I'm going to finally move to a new browser. I'm not liking that idea but the handwriting is clearly on the wall when my list of sites I can no longer use in SM is getting so large. I'm half moved over to FF at this point anyway, I just don't like FF. Ah it is the "sky is failling day" again and the end is near. I have yet see a site that fails in 2.53.x and works in 2.49 but there may be some. On the other hand there are a lot of sites no longer working in 2.49. I use Chromium Edge for the occasional github browsing ht that is it. The onion is a real sh*t site. Not sure what js feature it needs but so far it is in line with all the sites I have seen with problems and I can do without. If I see a list of 10 or more extermal sites listed in NoScript needing to be whitelisted I just pass. FRG ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: pictures no longer show
On 6/11/2020 10:21 PM, Paul Bergsagel wrote: Paul in Houston, TX wrote: Hawker wrote: Since updating from 2.49 to 2.52 the number of sites I now have to use with a different browser to work has significantly increased. I have a ton of new sites that the pictures no longer show up in. Someone else mentioned Home Depot and Reddit issues as some of them. The other surprising one is The Onion https://www.theonion.com/anna-kendrick-s-love-life-pulled-from-hbo-max-until-i-1843999236 For example works in Firefox but not Seamonkey. Is this also in the 52.3 fix? What is happening with the no picture bug? At least 2.52 fixed the go fund me page issue. As an experiment, try this UA override: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/60.0 I am running the build by W9Gs Seamonkey 2.53.4 beta 1pre. The pictures fail to show up. It seems that the fix is not in for the 2.53.4 beta :-( . Thanx for verifying. That is discouraging. 2.53.2 broke a tone of sites and plug ins. I'm seriously thinking of going back to 2.49. This is very disheartening. Still wondering when I'm going to finally move to a new browser. I'm not liking that idea but the handwriting is clearly on the wall when my list of sites I can no longer use in SM is getting so large. I'm half moved over to FF at this point anyway, I just don't like FF. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: pictures no longer show
Paul in Houston, TX wrote: Hawker wrote: Since updating from 2.49 to 2.52 the number of sites I now have to use with a different browser to work has significantly increased. I have a ton of new sites that the pictures no longer show up in. Someone else mentioned Home Depot and Reddit issues as some of them. The other surprising one is The Onion https://www.theonion.com/anna-kendrick-s-love-life-pulled-from-hbo-max-until-i-1843999236 For example works in Firefox but not Seamonkey. Is this also in the 52.3 fix? What is happening with the no picture bug? At least 2.52 fixed the go fund me page issue. As an experiment, try this UA override: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/60.0 I am running the build by W9Gs Seamonkey 2.53.4 beta 1pre. The pictures fail to show up. It seems that the fix is not in for the 2.53.4 beta :-( . ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: pictures no longer show
Hawker wrote: Since updating from 2.49 to 2.52 the number of sites I now have to use with a different browser to work has significantly increased. I have a ton of new sites that the pictures no longer show up in. Someone else mentioned Home Depot and Reddit issues as some of them. The other surprising one is The Onion https://www.theonion.com/anna-kendrick-s-love-life-pulled-from-hbo-max-until-i-1843999236 For example works in Firefox but not Seamonkey. Is this also in the 52.3 fix? What is happening with the no picture bug? At least 2.52 fixed the go fund me page issue. As an experiment, try this UA override: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/60.0 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
pictures no longer show
Since updating from 2.49 to 2.52 the number of sites I now have to use with a different browser to work has significantly increased. I have a ton of new sites that the pictures no longer show up in. Someone else mentioned Home Depot and Reddit issues as some of them. The other surprising one is The Onion https://www.theonion.com/anna-kendrick-s-love-life-pulled-from-hbo-max-until-i-1843999236 For example works in Firefox but not Seamonkey. Is this also in the 52.3 fix? What is happening with the no picture bug? At least 2.52 fixed the go fund me page issue. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
