Re: Composer Image Properties or Image and Link Properties Grayed Out

[NoOp]

On 09/16/2011 12:34 PM, Brooke Clarke wrote:
> Hi NoOp:
> 
> That's interesting.  When I repeat your steps I too can edit the image 
> properties.
> But when I go to this page, using your method, I can not.
> http://www.prc68.com/I/Vibrators.shtml
> 
> The method I normally use is to use Composer on a local file in my 
> computer then upload (publish) that file.

I find that if I right-click on an image the image & link properties is
indeed greyed out. However if I first select the image and then click
the Image icon I can. Can you try that to see if you get the same?


> 
> Have Fun,
> 
> Brooke Clarke
> http://www.PRC68.com
> http://www.End2PartyGovernment.com/
> 
> 
> NoOp wrote:
>> On 09/16/2011 11:49 AM, Brooke Clarke wrote:
>>> Hi:
>>>
>>> With Seamonkey 2.3.3 I can not access the image properties because it's
>>> grayed out.
>>> Tried running SeaMonkey Setup 2.3.3.exe again but no luck.
>>>
>>> How to get it working again?
>>>
>> Works for me w/SeaMonkey 2.3.3 (linux). To test I went to
>> http://www.google.com/ and File|Edit Page (or Ctrl-e). I can right click
>> on the image&  access image properties, or with the image selected, use
>> the 'Image' button to do the same.
>>
>> I then tested the same with SeaMonkey 2.3.3 Windows (WinXP) and the
>> results are the same.
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Re: Composer Image Properties or Image and Link Properties Grayed Out

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On 09/16/2011 12:40 PM, NoOp wrote:
> On 09/16/2011 12:34 PM, Brooke Clarke wrote:
>> Hi NoOp:
>> 
>> That's interesting.  When I repeat your steps I too can edit the image 
>> properties.
>> But when I go to this page, using your method, I can not.
>> http://www.prc68.com/I/Vibrators.shtml
>> 
>> The method I normally use is to use Composer on a local file in my 
>> computer then upload (publish) that file.
> 
> I find that if I right-click on an image the image & link properties is
> indeed greyed out. However if I first select the image and then click
> the Image icon I can. Can you try that to see if you get the same?

Also, if the image is selected: Format|Image and Link Properties is
working. Just not the right-click.

> 
> 
>> 
>> Have Fun,
>> 
>> Brooke Clarke
>> http://www.PRC68.com
>> http://www.End2PartyGovernment.com/
>> 
>> 
>> NoOp wrote:
>>> On 09/16/2011 11:49 AM, Brooke Clarke wrote:
>>>> Hi:
>>>>
>>>> With Seamonkey 2.3.3 I can not access the image properties because it's
>>>> grayed out.
>>>> Tried running SeaMonkey Setup 2.3.3.exe again but no luck.
>>>>
>>>> How to get it working again?
>>>>
>>> Works for me w/SeaMonkey 2.3.3 (linux). To test I went to
>>> http://www.google.com/ and File|Edit Page (or Ctrl-e). I can right click
>>> on the image&  access image properties, or with the image selected, use
>>> the 'Image' button to do the same.
>>>
>>> I then tested the same with SeaMonkey 2.3.3 Windows (WinXP) and the
>>> results are the same.
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Re: Composer Image Properties or Image and Link Properties Grayed Out

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On 09/16/2011 12:42 PM, NoOp wrote:
> On 09/16/2011 12:40 PM, NoOp wrote:
>> On 09/16/2011 12:34 PM, Brooke Clarke wrote:
>>> Hi NoOp:
>>> 
>>> That's interesting.  When I repeat your steps I too can edit the image 
>>> properties.
>>> But when I go to this page, using your method, I can not.
>>> http://www.prc68.com/I/Vibrators.shtml
>>> 
>>> The method I normally use is to use Composer on a local file in my 
>>> computer then upload (publish) that file.
>> 
>> I find that if I right-click on an image the image & link properties is
>> indeed greyed out. However if I first select the image and then click
>> the Image icon I can. Can you try that to see if you get the same?
> 
> Also, if the image is selected: Format|Image and Link Properties is
> working. Just not the right-click.

Double-clicking on the image works as well.
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Re: [Bug 686555] Please use the string "Firefox/6.0.2 compatible" for the User Agent String of SeaMonkey

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On 09/16/2011 10:47 AM, Ant wrote:
> On 9/16/2011 8:55 AM PT, David E. Ross typed:
> 
> ...
>> In my bookmarks, I've inserted comments on which bookmarked Web sites
>> require spoofing.  These comments appear in the exported bookmarks.html
>> file, which I use as my home page.
> 
> You know what would be better? With an addon/extension, we assign 
> specific user agents for specific web sites instead of manually doing it.

You can do that in Opera 11.51 (linux).

In site Preferences|Advanced|Manage Site Preferences|Edit|Network
:Browser identification:
Options are:
- Identify as Opera
- Identify as Firefox
- Identify as Internet Explorer
- Mask as Firefox
- Mask as Internet Explorer
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Re: [Bug 686555] Please use the string "Firefox/6.0.2 compatible" for the User Agent String of SeaMonkey

[NoOp]

On 09/16/2011 03:17 PM, Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:
> On 9/16/2011 1:47 PM, Ant wrote:
>> On 9/16/2011 8:55 AM PT, David E. Ross typed:
>>
>> ...
>>> In my bookmarks, I've inserted comments on which bookmarked Web sites
>>> require spoofing. These comments appear in the exported bookmarks.html
>>> file, which I use as my home page.
>>
>> You know what would be better? With an addon/extension, we assign
>> specific user agents for specific web sites instead of manually doing it.
> 
> Useful posts by KaiRo that I share in principle, but however 
> unfortunately have not paned out as possible solution(s) due to the way 
> internal Gecko Works.
> 
> http://home.kairo.at/blog/2007-06/the_fight_for_the_suckiest_ua_string
> http://home.kairo.at/blog/2007-06/a_possible_idea_for_user_agents
> 

Since 2007? Is Gecko really the culprit/issue?


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Re: [Bug 686555] Please use the string "Firefox/6.0.2 compatible" for the User Agent String of SeaMonkey

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On 09/16/2011 07:43 PM, Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:
> On 9/16/2011 8:29 PM, NoOp wrote:
>> On 09/16/2011 03:17 PM, Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:
>>> On 9/16/2011 1:47 PM, Ant wrote:
>>>> On 9/16/2011 8:55 AM PT, David E. Ross typed:
>>>>
>>>> ...
>>>>> In my bookmarks, I've inserted comments on which bookmarked Web sites
>>>>> require spoofing. These comments appear in the exported bookmarks.html
>>>>> file, which I use as my home page.
>>>>
>>>> You know what would be better? With an addon/extension, we assign
>>>> specific user agents for specific web sites instead of manually doing it.
>>>
>>> Useful posts by KaiRo that I share in principle, but however
>>> unfortunately have not paned out as possible solution(s) due to the way
>>> internal Gecko Works.
>>>
>>> http://home.kairo.at/blog/2007-06/the_fight_for_the_suckiest_ua_string
>>> http://home.kairo.at/blog/2007-06/a_possible_idea_for_user_agents
>>>
>>
>> Since 2007? Is Gecko really the culprit/issue?
>>
>>
> 
> Well yes, it is. Manpower devoted to adjusting the codebase could solve 
> the issue. Anything is possible with time in software, its just a matter 
> of devoting the time to that over other things. And at least myself and 
> KaiRo have been quite busy in other things that are more important uses 
> of our time.
> 

Well yes... then why even mention it at all? And why offer up the
all-to-often 'Manpower' nonsense?

You are the one that brought up the 2007 blog.
  Shall we all sit around the campfire and sing kubaya songs because you
and Robert never got around to implementing any of those thoughts?

You stated "unfortunately have not paned out as possible solution(s) due
to the way internal Gecko Works". Perhaps you'd care to explain exactly
as to how Gecko is the issue here - particularly given that Gecko has
undergone considerable revisions since the 2007 kairo blogs.

My guess is that 'Gecko' has nothing to do with adding a widget/option
to allow users to select a website (or overall) UA string. Prebar has
been doing it for many years now. Other addons have also added this for
quite some time.

So, would you care to explain (again) just how all this has to do with
Gecko? Or would you prefer to fallback/back-peddle to the 'Manpower'
explaination instead? Note: I've no issue with 'manpower/womanpower'
being an excuse; but *please* don't give us both Gecko and Manpower and
"Anything is possible with time in software, its just a matter
of devoting the time to that over other things. And at least myself and
KaiRo have been quite busy in other things that are more important uses
of our time." all in the same response. Enough of that already.







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Re: Deleting History

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On 09/17/2011 07:20 PM, David E. Ross wrote:
> On 9/17/11 2:54 PM, Ron wrote:
>> nr wrote:
>>> I loaded 2.3 yesterday and so far only one strange occurrence.
>>>
>>> If I attempt to delete entries from the History screen, they don't
>>> disappear from the screen.  However, once I close the History screen
>>> and then reopen it, those that I had deleted do not appear.  This did
>>> not happen with 2.2, and I haven't made any changes since the update.
>>>
>>> Anyone else seeing this happen?  Or any ways to correct it?
>>>
>>> Thanks very much.
>> 
>> I found that if you delete several items it takes takes a while, it used 
>> to delete quickly. Leave the window open for a couple of minutes, you'll 
>> probably see them delete after a while.
> 
> See bug #686326 at .
> 

Perhaps it's a Windows issue? I just checked on SeaMonkey 2.3.3 linux:

Go|History|Today||Delete

and they were all deleted immediately.


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Re: Deleting History

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On 09/17/2011 08:22 PM, NoOp wrote:
> On 09/17/2011 07:20 PM, David E. Ross wrote:
>> On 9/17/11 2:54 PM, Ron wrote:
>>> nr wrote:
>>>> I loaded 2.3 yesterday and so far only one strange occurrence.
>>>>
>>>> If I attempt to delete entries from the History screen, they don't
>>>> disappear from the screen.  However, once I close the History screen
>>>> and then reopen it, those that I had deleted do not appear.  This did
>>>> not happen with 2.2, and I haven't made any changes since the update.
>>>>
>>>> Anyone else seeing this happen?  Or any ways to correct it?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks very much.
>>> 
>>> I found that if you delete several items it takes takes a while, it used 
>>> to delete quickly. Leave the window open for a couple of minutes, you'll 
>>> probably see them delete after a while.
>> 
>> See bug #686326 at <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=686326>.
>> 
> 
> Perhaps it's a Windows issue? I just checked on SeaMonkey 2.3.3 linux:
> 
> Go|History|Today||Delete
> 
> and they were all deleted immediately.

Just tested on SM 2.3.3 Windows & the same results.
corection:
Go|History|Today||Edit|Delete


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Re: Web Shortcuts and the SeaMonkey Icon

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On 09/18/2011 11:00 AM, David E. Ross wrote:
> My wife an I both use Windows XP SP3.  We both have SeaMonkey 2.3.3
> marked as our default browsers.
> 
> On my PC, Web shortcuts on my desktop and in folders have the blue
> SeaMonkey icon.  On my wife's PC, the same shortcuts have the IE icon.
> We both have SeaMonkey as our default browser.  I have repeatedly tried
> to set the SeaMonkey icon for the shortcuts on my wife's PC, but that
> does not stick more than 1-2 seconds.
> 
> Can anyone suggest how to make the SeaMonkey icon stick on my wife's PC
> for Web shortcuts?
> 

Are you refering the Start menu? If so, right-click on Start, select
Properties, Customize, and then select 'SeaMonkey' on shortcuts.
Screenshot is here:
http://imageshack.us/f/101/screenshotyre.png/

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Re: Web Shortcuts and the SeaMonkey Icon

[NoOp]

On 09/18/2011 03:18 PM, David E. Ross wrote:
> On 9/18/11 1:12 PM, NoOp wrote:
>> On 09/18/2011 11:00 AM, David E. Ross wrote:
>>> My wife an I both use Windows XP SP3.  We both have SeaMonkey 2.3.3
>>> marked as our default browsers.
>>>
>>> On my PC, Web shortcuts on my desktop and in folders have the blue
>>> SeaMonkey icon.  On my wife's PC, the same shortcuts have the IE icon.
>>> We both have SeaMonkey as our default browser.  I have repeatedly tried
>>> to set the SeaMonkey icon for the shortcuts on my wife's PC, but that
>>> does not stick more than 1-2 seconds.
>>>
>>> Can anyone suggest how to make the SeaMonkey icon stick on my wife's PC
>>> for Web shortcuts?
>>>
>> 
>> Are you refering the Start menu? If so, right-click on Start, select
>> Properties, Customize, and then select 'SeaMonkey' on shortcuts.
>> Screenshot is here:
>> http://imageshack.us/f/101/screenshotyre.png/
>> 
> 
> No, I do not have this problem with the Start menu.  It's Web shortcuts
> to specific Web pages.  Some of these are on the desktop, and some are
> in various folders.
> 

Ah, sorry. Like one of these?
http://imageshack.us/f/692/screenshot1jzy.png/
I dragged the google to the desktop. (Sorry, I don't use Windows much
any more).

If yours is reverting to IE, then maybe a regedit?
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/57176-45-shortcuts-desktop-work

OK think I kind of found another method. This is similar to the one
mentioned earlier by another poster.

Open Registry Editor and navigate to:
HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\InternetShortcut
Now, backup this key and then save as a REG file
Then, delete 'InternetShortcut' key
Open up Internet Explorer, Tools, Internet Options, Programs
Choose "Reset Web Settings"


That user of course was having issue with his not going to IE, but might
be worth having a look.




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Re: Can't start its embedded flash video?

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On 09/19/2011 07:32 AM, Ant wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity/ikea-introduces-manland-the-creche-for-retail-weary-men/story-fn9ql3sf-1226127519690
>  
> doesn't seem to start its embedded Flash video.
> 
> I tried changing user agent to Firefox v3.6.8, enabling referrers, and 
> disabling adblocker and FlashBlock extensions in my old Mozilla's 
> SeaMonkey v2.0.14 web browser?
> 
> What about the rest of you? Thank you in advance. :)

Works for me:
Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:6.0.2) Gecko/20110913
Firefox/6.0.2 SeaMonkey/2.3.3
Shockwave Flash

File: /usr/lib/adobe-flashplugin/libflashplayer.so
Version:
Shockwave Flash 10.3 r183
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Re: passwords suddenly incorrect

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On 09/20/2011 12:23 PM, LMH wrote:
> I'm not sure what issue there could be with my ISP when this only 
> affects some of my passwords and not others. I have three different 
> seamonkey profiles and a total of about 20 email accounts. One of the 
> SMTP passwords, and two of the POP passwords didn't work, but the rest 
> were fine. I was able to log in after re-entering the three passwords.
> 
> I can't think of anything that the ISP could do that would cause a few 
> passwords to be rejected, but let the exact same password work after it 
> is re-entered. I think it is much more likely that the password manager 
> sent the wrong password, or garbled it somehow.

I suspect that Brooke is correct. I sometimes have that issue with my
ISP. I don't re-enter the password, I just click try again and it goes
through. So the actual password isn't incorrect, just something happens
in the transmission between the client and the server. I thought about
doing a pop3/smtp capture, but it doen't happen enough to take up the
disk space to bother. And yes, it can happen on different pop3 accounts
on the same ISP.


> 
> LMH
> 
> 
> Brooke Clarke wrote:
>> Hi:
>>
>> A similar thing happened to me and it turned out my ISP made some
>> changes. After I made those changes it all worked again.
>> Check with your ISP.
>>
>> Have Fun,
>>
>> Brooke Clarke
>> http://www.PRC68.com
>> http://www.End2PartyGovernment.com/
>>
>>
>> LMH wrote:
>>> I am getting odd behavior with the password manager.
>>>
>>> Passwords that have been saved for a long time, like my SMTP login,
>>> are suddenly being called incorrect by my email provider. I have tried
>>> to send mail, and had the SMTP server return a message that the
>>> password is incorrect. I am using a master password, and the
>>> individual passwords have been saved for a long time. If I re-enter
>>> the password, it works. This has also happened for POP passwords. I
>>> have an account where I manage about 10 different email addresses. The
>>> POP passwords failed for two of them and I had to reenter them. The
>>> passwords were fine for all the others, which is very odd. It almost
>>> implies that the passwords are being corrupted, unless there is
>>> something else in play that I don't know about.
>>>
>>> LMH
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Re: Google images problem and "Advertise Firefox compatibility"

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On 09/21/2011 05:36 AM, Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote:
...
> I must be explaining myself very badly today, so let
> me try to spell things out more simply 

You are as you are hijacking the original thread...
[SM 2.0.10 - Google images problem]
Start a new thread.
...
> 5) Therefore I wish to modify the User Agent string to contain the phrase
>   "Firefox/6.0.2 compatible" rather than just "Firefox/6.0.2" as
>   currently occurs.
> 
> 6) So I would like to ask : "Is there an 'about:config' variable (or 
> analogous means)
>   by which I can modify the default User Agent string.

There was until this:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=581008
[Remove support for appending arbitrary data to the User Agent string]

Now, how about starting your own thread rather than using "SM 2.0.10 -
Google images problem" for your issue?

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Re: Controlling font size when composing email ?

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On 09/22/2011 12:25 PM, Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote:
> 
> 
> Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:
> 
>> I've set to zoom in/out using Ctrl+mouse wheel 
>> (Preferences / Advanced / Mouse Wheel).  Using it I can 
>> zoom in/out while composing just as with looking at pages.
> 
> Oohhh, that is /so/ useful : thank you, thank you, thank you !
> For the first time since Seamonkey 2.0.14, I can zoom in to
> my heart's content, instead of being restricted to the miserly
> three levels of zoom that Ctrl + / Ctrl - now offer.
> 
> Now why is it that Ctrl mouse wheel can do it, yet
> Ctrl + / Ctrl - cannot ?

And what if you've a mouse without a mousewheel?

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Re: passwords suddenly incorrect

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On 09/22/2011 12:44 PM, sean nathan bean wrote:
> LMH sent me the following::
>> I am getting odd behavior with the password manager.
>>
>> Passwords that have been saved for a long time, like my SMTP login, are
>> suddenly being called incorrect by my email provider. I have tried to
>> send mail, and had the SMTP server return a message that the password is
>> incorrect. I am using a master password, and the individual passwords
>> have been saved for a long time. If I re-enter the password, it works.
>> This has also happened for POP passwords. I have an account where I
>> manage about 10 different email addresses. The POP passwords failed for
>> two of them and I had to reenter them. The passwords were fine for all
>> the others, which is very odd. It almost implies that the passwords are
>> being corrupted, unless there is something else in play that I don't
>> know about.
>>
>> LMH
> 
> this has been happening to me as well, and i'm beginning to suspect 
> something that is more malware related...

In linux?
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:6.0.1) Gecko/20110830
SeaMonkey/2.3.1
I'd be *very* surprised.
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.14 and Google+

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On 09/22/2011 03:15 PM, MCBastos wrote:
> Interviewed by CNN on 22/09/2011 15:59, Rufus told the world:
> 
>> Try spoofing your user agent - I use this add-on to make it easy:
>> 
>> http://chrispederick.com/work/user-agent-switcher/
>> 
>> Gives you the ability to tell them you're any browser you like and still 
>> use SM.
> 
> I didn't formally test it, but it just might be that Google is actually
> doing a better than average job of sniffing in Plus. Why do I say that?
> Well, because Google Plus works fine with my SM 2.3.3 with "advertise
> Firefox compatibility" DISABLED. So, they are either:
> 
> a) Including "Seamonkey" as a possibility in their browser-sniffing
> script, with correct versions, OR:
> b) Even better, sniffing for "Gecko" (as Mozillians have been telling
> people for years) instead of "Firefox" or "Seamonkey," OR:
> C) Better yet, sniffing for browser features instead of browsers.
> 
> 

I just spoofed as:
Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.0.10)
Gecko/20070306 SeaMonkey/1.0.8
and the Google+ page give me no warning:


Works.

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Re: for a friend ...

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On 09/23/2011 06:18 AM, Daniel wrote:
> MCBastos wrote:
>> Interviewed by CNN on 22/09/2011 08:41, Daniel told the world:
>>
>>> David, the OP is posting to the SeaMonkey newsgroup using SeaMonkey 2.3.3
>>>
>>> In my SM 2.3.3, the suggestion you make (even allowing for the typo's),
>>> there is nowhere on the Advanced pane to uncheck "Check default).
>>>
>>> My check of Preferences fails to find anything to stop the question
>>> being asked.
>>
>> In *my* SM 2.3.3, it is there. Maybe it's a Windows-only option; I see
>> you are using Linux. Both David and the OP use Windows, too.
> 
> and, tonight, I'm using Win7 and, sure enough, there it is!! I wonder 
> why the difference??
> 

We're special :-)
Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:7.0) Gecko/20110916
Firefox/7.0 SeaMonkey/2.4


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Re: SSL Exploit: Mozilla family no better than the rest of the pack

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On 09/23/2011 04:19 AM, Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:
> On 9/23/2011 5:36 AM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
> ...
>> Full article (Mozilla stuff on p. 2):
>> 
>>
> 
> ALSO
> http://threatpost.com/en_us/blogs/new-attack-breaks-confidentiality-model-ssl-allows-theft-encrypted-cookies-091611
> 
> Lastly,
> It is unclear at this point if the attack can be replicated in Firefox 
> [Gecko] 7, which has the newer WebSocket protocol. We're working to get 
> an answer from the bug reporters.
> 
> For further discussion on this threat, I suggest m.d.platform rather 
> than the SeaMonkey list, since its not just a SeaMonkey Issue...

http://www.mozilla.org/about/forums/

I'm curious why you recommend:
mozilla.dev.platform
For people working on Mozilla-the-platform.

 rather than:

mozilla.dev.tech.crypto
For discussions about cryptography, and cryptographic issues surrounding
the Mozilla source code. See the PKI project for more info. (Moderated.)

  or

mozilla.dev.security
Security issues such as specific security problems or ideas for making
the code as a whole more secure can be discussed here. Cryptography,
however, is not within this group's charter. (Moderated.)

Note: not disputing your recommendation; just trying to understand why
when the others (security & crypto) seem closer to the issue.
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Re: A funny thing happened with today's Google Doodle...

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On 09/23/2011 04:55 PM, MCBastos wrote:
> ...the interactive Muppets animations didn't run on Seamonkey 2.3.3.
> They ran fine on Firefox 6.0.2, and on IE9, and on a recent version of
> Iron, and on Opera. But not on Seamonkey.
> 
> I thought that it might be NoScript; I disabled it and restarted
> Seamonkey. No dice.
> 
> Has anybody else ran into this issue, or is it something in my setup?
> 

Works fine for me:
o w/2.4 (linux)
o w/2.3.3 (linux)
o w/2.3 (Win7)
o w/2.3.3 (Win7)

I suspect you have a setup/profile issue.

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Re: SSL Exploit: Mozilla family no better than the rest of the pack

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On 09/23/2011 11:00 AM, NoOp wrote:
> On 09/23/2011 04:19 AM, Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:
>> On 9/23/2011 5:36 AM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
>> ...
>>> Full article (Mozilla stuff on p. 2):
>>> <http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/19/beast_exploits_paypal_ssl/>
>>>
>> 
>> ALSO
>> http://threatpost.com/en_us/blogs/new-attack-breaks-confidentiality-model-ssl-allows-theft-encrypted-cookies-091611
>> 
>> Lastly,
>> It is unclear at this point if the attack can be replicated in Firefox 
>> [Gecko] 7, which has the newer WebSocket protocol. We're working to get 
>> an answer from the bug reporters.
>> 
>> For further discussion on this threat, I suggest m.d.platform rather 
>> than the SeaMonkey list, since its not just a SeaMonkey Issue...
> 
> http://www.mozilla.org/about/forums/
> 
> I'm curious why you recommend:
> mozilla.dev.platform
> For people working on Mozilla-the-platform.
> 
>  rather than:
> 
> mozilla.dev.tech.crypto
> For discussions about cryptography, and cryptographic issues surrounding
> the Mozilla source code. See the PKI project for more info. (Moderated.)
> 
>   or
> 
> mozilla.dev.security
> Security issues such as specific security problems or ideas for making
> the code as a whole more secure can be discussed here. Cryptography,
> however, is not within this group's charter. (Moderated.)
> 
> Note: not disputing your recommendation; just trying to understand why
> when the others (security & crypto) seem closer to the issue.

And I reckon that the post from Nelson Bolyard on bug
pretty much settles that question:

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=480514
[Implement TLS 1.2 (RFC 5246)]

Nelson Bolyard (seldom reads bugmail) 2011-09-23 13:28:47 PDT

Read comment 32 before posting any new comment.

Bugzilla bugs are not a discussion forum.  This is NOT the place for
everyone to pile on with "I think this is important, too" comments.  The
place for those comments is the mozilla.dev.tech.crypto newsgroup.


Also referenced:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=565047
[(RFC4346) Implement TLS 1.1 (RFC 4346)]

Followup set to: mozilla.support.seamonkey as this is where this thread
originated. However I suppose any additional technical posts regarding
SeaMonkey (meaning other than general media notice/info), per Nelson's
comments should actually be in mozilla.dev.tech.crypto.
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Re: SM format=flowed is incomplete

[NoOp]

On 09/24/2011 05:22 PM, Philip Chee wrote:
> On Sat, 24 Sep 2011 18:30:01 -0500, Mike Easter wrote:
>> chicagofan wrote:
>>> David Wilkinson wrote:
 Mike Easter wrote:
   
> It appears to me that SM's implementation of format=flowed is partially 
> broken, like that of an earlier Tb 3's.
>> 
 I do use SM, but the absence of your items 2 and 4 is a major source of 
 irritation to me.
>> 
>>> I love SM, and deeply appreciate ALL the work the UNPAID volunteers do 
>>> to keep this program alive.  but THIS is one of my biggest 
>>> grievances or disappointments, that "flowed-format" stopped working.
>>> 
>>> It just seems to me that it is such a fundamental part of everyone's 
>>> daily usage, that it should be important enough to repair.   :(
>> 
>> Tb 3.x, I forget exactly which version, was (also) stripping quoted 
>> trailing spaces, but they fixed it.
>> 
>> Maybe the SM volunteers can benefit from the Tb experience.
>> 
>> 
>> I restored the stripped quoted trailing spaces so things can flow.
> 
> I'm puzzled by this thread. The format flowed code is totally shared
> backend code, identical to that in Thunderbird. We should have
> absolutely the same behaviour with the equivalent versions e.g.
> 
> Gecko 1.9.0 ? <==> Thunderbird 3.0
> Gecko 1.9.1 Seamonkey 2.0 <==> Thunderbird 3.1
> Gecko 1.9.2 ? <==> Thunderbird 3.6
> Gecko 2.0   SeaMonkey 2.1 <==> Thunderbird ?
> Gecko 5.0   SeaMonkey 2.2 <==> Thunderbird 5
> 
> The only other source of difference are the default preferences for
> format flowed which may be different in SeaMonkey.
> 
> Phil
> 

As am I. Mike Easter is using:
User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (X11/20100623)
to post this in this group. However:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=168420
[We need Format=Flowed Evangelization]
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=168420#c91

Ben Bucksch (:BenB) 2009-12-08 08:56:49 PST

Yup, as said, that's a know bug. Found it, it seems it's bug 125928.
This has been fixed over 2 years ago, shortly after TB2 release, so
please try the Thunderbird 3 RC2. I just tried it and I don't see the
bug, so it seems fixed.


Perhaps Mike could/should instead post this on the
mozilla.support.thunderbird group instead?

Note: posting this with the following:
mailnews.display.disable_format_flowed_support;true
mailnews.send_plaintext_flowed;false

I'll respond to any followups with
mailnews.send_plaintext_flowed;true

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Re: SM format=flowed is incomplete

[NoOp]

On 09/25/2011 07:55 AM, Mike Easter wrote:

Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:

 Mike Easter:


 Tb 3.x, I forget exactly which version, was (also) stripping quoted
 trailing spaces, but they fixed it.

 Maybe the SM volunteers can benefit from the Tb experience.


 Hm, are you sure Thunderbird 3+ has the problem fixed?


I only meant to say that Tb3 had the problem and that later v./s of Tb
didn't have the problem. I didn't mean to say that some Tb3.x v/s had
the problem and then later Tb3.y or 3.z v/s did /not/ have the problem.


 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=456053


I'm familiar with that bugthread which is a pretty good description of
the problem.

I don't have a lot of Tb v/s accessible to me. I use Tb 2.0.0.24 'all
the time' on this old Mint 7 system, which I 'wear' like an old shoe
like I used/wore an old shoe Win98se system for years :-)

I also have (just now) Tb 3.1.15 on an XP system and Tb 7.0 on a Mint 11
system. I just tested 3.1.15 and it *still* has the 'deficiency' of
which I speak, namely stripping the trailing spaces on quoted material.

This problem is 'misleading' when the composition is going on in Tb
3.x/3.1.15, because during composition/editing the quoted material has
(appears to have) the trailing spaces, but when the message is
/actually/ posted, they are gone.  Very frustrating.


Why do you keep asking this when you are posting with:
User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (X11/20100623)

I've reset & am responding with:
mailnews.display.disable_format_flowed_support;false
mailnews.send_plaintext_flowed;true

Any difference on your side using your newly updated TB 3?


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Re: SM format=flowed is incomplete

[NoOp]

On 09/25/2011 07:05 PM, NoOp wrote:
...
> Why do you keep asking this when you are posting with:
> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (X11/20100623)
> 
> I've reset & am responding with:
> mailnews.display.disable_format_flowed_support;false
> mailnews.send_plaintext_flowed;true
> 
> Any difference on your side using your newly updated TB 3?

And now with both set to:
mailnews.display.disable_format_flowed_support;true
mailnews.send_plaintext_flowed;false

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Re: SM format=flowed is incomplete

[NoOp]

On 09/25/2011 08:17 PM, Mike Easter wrote:
> NoOp wrote:
> 
>> Mike Easter is using:
>> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (X11/20100623)
> 
> Correct; but I also could post here with Tb 7 or Tb 3.1.15, all of which 
> I have tested. I have also observed the posting characteristics of a lot 
> of SeaMonkey versions, which is what this thread is about. The only 
> thing about Tb that is being discussed here is that Tb3 has the same 
> trait as all of the SM's and that the Tb2 and Tb7 don't have it.
> 
> 
>> Ben Bucksch (:BenB) 2009-12-08 08:56:49 PST
>> 
>> Yup, as said, that's a know bug. Found it, it seems it's bug 125928. 
>> This has been fixed over 2 years ago, shortly after TB2 release, so 
>> please try the Thunderbird 3 RC2. I just tried it and I don't see the 
>> bug, so it seems fixed.
> 
> That old bugpost is not germane here. The problem is still not fixed in 
> Tb 3.1.15, so Ben's 2009 suggestion to try Tb3rc2 isn't worth talking about.
> 
> The problem *is* fixed in Tb's 6 and 7 which are later than Tb 3.1.15 
> and the problem isn't/wasn't present in 2.0.0.24 which incidentally I 
> happen to be posting with here which I explained earlier.
> 
> Most importantly, the problem is present in all SeaMonkeys.
> 
>> Perhaps Mike could/should instead post this on the 
>> mozilla.support.thunderbird group instead?
> 
> As far as I'm concerned, Tb doesn't have a problem with f=f (any more, 
> since Tb3 is a past version for most), SeaMonkey still does for all 
> versions, which is why we are talking about it here.
> 
>> Note: posting this with the following:
>> mailnews.display.disable_format_flowed_support;true
>> mailnews.send_plaintext_flowed;false
>> 
>> I'll respond to any followups with 
>> mailnews.send_plaintext_flowed;true
> 
> I changed some of your lines above so that they will flow, for 
> illustration purposes. I left some unflowed.
> 

And what might those lines be? Sorry for sounding a little confused, but
*exactly* which lines did you change "so that they will flow"?

Also note:
Note: posting this with the following:
mailnews.display.disable_format_flowed_support;true
mailnews.send_plaintext_flowed;false

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Re: SM format=flowed is incomplete

[NoOp]

On 09/25/2011 08:32 PM, Mike Easter wrote:
> NoOp wrote:
>> Mike Easter wrote:
> 
>>> I also have (just now) Tb 3.1.15 on an XP system and Tb 7.0 on a Mint 11 
>>> system. I just tested 3.1.15 and it *still* has the 'deficiency' of 
>>> which I speak, namely stripping the trailing spaces on quoted material.
> 
>> Why do you keep asking this when you are posting with:
>> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (X11/20100623)
> 
> I'm trying to talk about SeaMonkey's problem here. I only mention that 
> the same problem exists in Tb3 but not other Tbirds because I tho't that 
> information might help someone in SeaMonkey's development.
> 
>> Any difference on your side using your newly updated TB 3?
> 
> As I said above, the problem still exists in Tb 3.1.15, but I don't 
> really want to talk about that here.

Yet you are posting with TB 2.x and TB is now at 6.x.

> 
> I also am not interested in talking about it in tbird support because 
> the problem has been resolved in more current v/s of Tbird.

I see.

> 
> If I were going to talk about anything related to f=f in Tb support, it 
> would be about 'upgrading' the rewrap function to result in f=f lines 
> instead of rewrap stripping existing trailing spaces.
> 
> That improvement would be a good thing for SM too, so let us stay with 
> SM issues here.

OK. Let's do that. My post that you responed to was from:
Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:7.0) Gecko/20110923
Firefox/7.0 SeaMonkey/2.4
and as I said I posted it with:

> And now with both set to:
> mailnews.display.disable_format_flowed_support;true
> mailnews.send_plaintext_flowed;false

So would you care to detail?

BTW: this reply is using:
mailnews.display.disable_format_flowed_support;true
mailnews.send_plaintext_flowed;false



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Re: SM format=flowed is incomplete

[NoOp]

On 09/25/2011 09:31 PM, Mike Easter wrote:

NoOp wrote:


BTW: this reply is using:
mailnews.display.disable_format_flowed_support;true
mailnews.send_plaintext_flowed;false


For sake of this 'investigation'...

Could you please set your send_plaintext_flowed to true instead of false
and also compose/post something with one or more 'normal' longer
paragraphs which contains lines sufficiently long so that your editor
wraps them at your linewrap length?

Your previous paragraphs had short lines which likely end with a CR
instead of wrapping themselves.




Sure:
xxx.

And copying from yours above:

Could you please set your send_plaintext_flowed to true instead of false 
and also compose/post something with one or more 'normal' longer 
paragraphs which contains lines sufficiently long so that your editor 
wraps them at your linewrap length?


However I'm not sure that will make any difference as my settings are to 
'Wrap plain text messages at 72 characters anyway.


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Re: SM format=flowed is incomplete

[NoOp]

On 09/26/2011 03:08 PM, Mike Easter wrote:
> NoOp wrote:
>> Mike Easter wrote:
> 
>>> Could you please set your send_plaintext_flowed to true instead of false
>>> and also compose/post something with one or more 'normal' longer
>>> paragraphs 
> 
> Now that you are configured to f=f, your SM did the 'opposite' of f=f by 
> stripping off the trailing spaces in the cited material above. My 
> previously flowable lines above no longer flow. That is part of the 
> paradox mentioned earlier.
> 
>> Could you please set your send_plaintext_flowed to true instead of false 
>> and also compose/post something with one or more 'normal' longer 
>> paragraphs which contains lines sufficiently long so that your editor 
>> wraps them at your linewrap length?
> 
> Your original material above me here will flow because it has trailing 
> spaces.
> 
>> However I'm not sure that will make any difference as my settings are to 
>> 'Wrap plain text messages at 72 characters anyway.
> 
> The wrap length is for the 'infrastructure' for where the f=f softbreaks 
> go, as described at the Tbird link explaining how plaintext and f=f 
> works that I posted earlier.
> 
> If you look at flowed text with flowed text display enabled, the flowed 
> text flows to the window edge, but if you look at flowed text based on 
> infrastructure with a reader which does not display f=f as flowed, or if 
> you look at flowed text in the message source, you will see what looks 
> like normal wraps at 72 chars.
> 
> That is part of the beauty of f=f, that it 'degrades' compatibly if the 
> reader isn't 'doing' f=f display.

Rolls eyes... sorry I'm just going to stick with my standard:
mailnews.display.disable_format_flowed_support;true
mailnews.send_plaintext_flowed;false
Not because you may/may not have a valid point, but because I don't use
it anyway. Sorry & good luck sorting this out on your side.






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Re: SeaMonkey 2.4 Release -- New Features and Fixes

[NoOp]

On 09/27/2011 01:24 PM, Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:
> The SeaMonkey project is proud to present SeaMonkey 2.4: The new major 
> release of the all-in-one Internet suite is available for download now! 
> Building on the same Mozilla platform as the newest Firefox release, it 
> delivers the latest developments in web technologies such as HTML5, 
> hardware acceleration and improved JavaScript speed.
> 
> SeaMonkey 2.4 is available in 24 languages, for Windows, Mac OS X and Linux.

Why aren't the Windows 2.4b3 versions that are on the beta channel
showing an update with Help|Check for update?

If the user was testing 2.4b3, and that version is no longer beta, it
would seem logical to upgrade to 2.4 final - even if the beta channel is
set.
...
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Thanks Justin

[NoOp]

Justin,

I'd just like to take time to thank you for the work that you are doing
with the SeaMonkey builds. I'd also like to thank you for your continued
presence in this support group.

Since you've taken over the builds they (IMO) are pretty much smooth
with only the occasional hiccup. While I (and others) may occasionally
ping/zing you on questions & even tease you for posting your notices
using Thunderbird instead of SeaMonkey (good job on the latest btw :-))
[oops I put a smiley in there... hope that doesn't start another
Wingdings thread] I very much appreciate your hard/good work.

Thanks,

Gary Lee (NoOp)
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Re: search button inactiv in 2.4 version

[NoOp]

On 09/29/2011 05:05 AM, WLS wrote:
> denewton wrote:
>> Hello,
>> With the last release 2.4 I downloaded, the "search button", to get
>> diretly google, for exemple, is absolutly inactiv (on two machines XP).
>> I reinstall 2.3.3 and it is running again.
>> What is brocken ?
>> sincerly
>> Bertrand
> 
> Added the Search Button to my toolbar to test, and it worked for me on 
> openSUSE 11.3 Linux.
> 
> 

Did the same & works for me on:

2.4 linux (32 & 64bit)
2.4 Windows (WinXP & Win7)

I can't replicate Bertrand's problem.

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Re: Potential Issues with SeaMonkey 2.4.1 (and Firefox 7.0.1)

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On 09/29/2011 05:12 AM, MCBastos wrote:
> Interviewed by CNN on 29/09/2011 08:27, Philip Chee told the world:
>> On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 11:24:45 +0100, Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Philip Chee wrote:
>>>
 * A few complaints about the missing http (not a lot... but some
 comments that it broke intranet pages and general whining)
>>>
>>> Could you expand on this one, please, Philip ?
>> 
>> Firebadger 7.0.1 now hides the leading "http(s)://" and the trailing "/"
>> in the URLbar.
>> 
>> Phil
>> 
> 
> Just to complement: this behavior can be disabled in the Firefox
> about:config, by setting browser.urlbar.trimURLs to "disabled."
> 

I've had no issues with that in SeaMonkey 2.4.1 (linux) so far. BTW:
that preference (browser.urlbar.trimURLs) doesn't exist in mine.

Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20110929
Firefox/7.0.1 SeaMonkey/2.4.1

Tested using:
https://launchpad.net/

Note: The only Firefox 7.0.1 I've found is a 'contributed' build so I
couldn't check there. But did check in
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:10.0a1) Gecko/20110929 Firefox/10.0a1
and the "http(s)://" shows up. However the trailing "/" doesn't show up
with
browser.urlbar.trimURLs;true
To test I used the same link as I did with SM 2.4.1:
https://launchpad.net/
in FF 10.0a1 it shows up as:
https://launchpad.net
unless set to false & then is shows up as
https://launchpad.net/

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Re: SSL Exploit: Mozilla family no better than the rest of the pack

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On 09/29/2011 07:44 AM, Robert Kaiser wrote:
> Paul B. Gallagher schrieb:
>> HACKERS BREAK SSL ENCRYPTION USED BY MILLIONS OF SITES
> 
> That doesn't sounds correct. Firefox itself is not affected at all when 
> WebSockets are turned off. And WebSockets are not used by millions of 
> sites. It looks like the Java plugins is affected though and we are 
> discussing blocking all versions of Java on all versions of Firefox.
> 
> The same should be true 1:1 for SeaMonkey.
> 
> Robert Kaiser
> 

Blocking all versions of Java on all versions of Firefox + SeaMonkey?
Seriously?

Are you referring to this:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=689661
[Block Java Plugin due to security vulnerabilities (BEAST TLS and bug in
same-origin-policy)]

Doing that kills sites that use java. Example:
http://myspeed.visualware.com/index.php

Users can easily turn on/off java using prefbar.

Related (from that bug report):




Seems like dejavu:

[Mozilla blocks Firefox Java plugin]
"Discussions on Bugzilla show this is unrelated to a flaw in Java Web
Start affecting multiple browsers and patched by Oracle via an
out-of-sequence (emergency) update last week."

[Mozilla Block Java Deployment Toolkit]
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Re: Inbox messages gone after compacting folders

[NoOp]

On 09/29/2011 12:02 AM, Dawnie J Baldo wrote:
> Hi
> 
> I lost all of the emails in the inbox on one of my accounts after 
> compacting the folders on that account. Is there a way to retrieve them?
...
Have you tried:
View|Messages|All
on that folder to see if they show?

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Re: Trash Folder

[NoOp]

On 09/29/2011 03:49 PM, Danny Kile wrote:
> Philipp van Hüllen wrote:
>> Danny Kile schrieb:
>>> Creating an e-mail composer saves the message every 5 minutes to prevent
>>> lost. However, after sending it there will be a message created in the
>>> trash folder for every 5 minutes that passed. So if you took 20 minutes
>>> to create an e-mail there will be 4 message with the same name in the
>>> trash folder. So is this a bug or what?
>>>
>>> Thank you for any help in this matter!
>>
>> I always considered this a feature, since it gives you a history of the
>> typing of a mail. (Somewhat like every-5-minutes-saved-revision-history.)
>> E.g. you could restore text you deleted at some point during typing.
>>
>> Since the old files are automatically marked for deletion, they usually
>> should not pose any problems.
>>
>> One exception might be, if you attach large files, do this at the
>> beginning of writing and then get plenty of copies of those.
>> Especially with IMAP folders and (rather) slow uplink speeds this might
>> make you attach large files only just before sending.
>> (Including the 1:10 chance to forget the attachments.)
>>
>> Just my 5 cents...
>>
>> Philipp
> 
> Is there a way to disable this so called feature?
> 
> Danny

Does Edit|Mail & Newsgroups|Composition|un-ticking 'Automatically save
the message every' not work for you?

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Re: SSL Exploit: Mozilla family no better than the rest of the pack

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On 09/29/2011 03:50 PM, Robert Kaiser wrote:
> NoOp schrieb:
>> Blocking all versions of Java on all versions of Firefox + SeaMonkey?
> 
> Yes.
> 
>> Seriously?
> 
> Yes, as it's a security hazard and we don't know of any plans of Oracle 
> to fix it.
> 
>> Are you referring to this:
>> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=689661
>> [Block Java Plugin due to security vulnerabilities (BEAST TLS and bug in
>> same-origin-policy)]
> 
> Yes.
> 
>> Doing that kills sites that use java. Example:
>> http://myspeed.visualware.com/index.php
> 
> Yes.
> 
>> Users can easily turn on/off java using prefbar.
> 
> Doesn't apply to the majority of users that don't even know what prefbar 
> is. Users will be able to turn it on again if they must, but it's a 
> security risk.
...

Thanks for the clarification. Java goes off until either Mozilla and/or
Oracle fix _their_ issues. Might be a good idea to post a separate
thread/subject on this list informing users on how to easily disable
Java via other means outside of prefbar.

Tools|Add-ons Manager|Plugins|Java(TM)  Plug-in|Disable doesn't
seem to work on 2.4.1 (linux). Nor via about:config:
security.enable_java;false
I can *only* disable (checking via http://java.com) via prefbar.
I'll test in a 'test' profile to see if the results are different.

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Re: SSL Exploit: Mozilla family no better than the rest of the pack

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On 09/29/2011 05:12 PM, Robert Kaiser wrote:
> NoOp schrieb:
>> Thanks for the clarification. Java goes off until either Mozilla and/or
>> Oracle fix _their_ issues.
> 
> To be clear, those issues are completely on Oracle's side, the Mozilla 
> code doesn't have an issue wrt Java, and the other major plugins are 
> safe as well as we found out. The Java plugin itself is the thing that 
> has the security issue, and a published one at that.
> 
> Robert Kaiser
> 
> 

I'm not sure I fully understand (or probably ever will)...
<https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=665814>
{(CVE-2011-3389) Rizzo/Duong chosen plaintext attack on SSL/TLS 1.0
(facilitated by websockets -76)]
doesn't seem to indicate java, but instead nss as being the issue. So,
"to be clear": is it a java or nss issue?



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Re: SSL Exploit: Mozilla family no better than the rest of the pack

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On 09/29/2011 05:27 PM, d...@kd4e.com wrote:
> In addition to HTML 5 supposedly displacing some of the needs for Java,
> wasn't there a project of some sort that provided for an open-source
> substitute for Java ... or was that just a silly dream?
> 

I think that you've been reminded of this before, but if not I'll repeat:

http://www.mozilla.org/about/forums/etiquette.html

Top-posting vs bottom-posting.

Some people like to put reply after the quoted text, some like it
the other way around, and still some prefer interspersed style. Debates
about which posting style is better have led to many flame wars in the
forums. To keep forum discussion friendly, please do interspersion with
trimming (see above for trimming rules). For a simple reply, this is
equivalent bottom-posting. So, remove extraneous material, and place
your comments in logical order, after the text you are commenting upon.
The only exceptions are the accessibility forums, which are top-posting.

...

Please refrain from 'Top-posting'. Thanks.
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Re: SSL Exploit: Mozilla family no better than the rest of the pack

[NoOp]

On 09/30/2011 07:17 AM, Robert Kaiser wrote:
> NoOp schrieb:
>> I'm not sure I fully understand (or probably ever will)...
>> <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=665814>
>> {(CVE-2011-3389) Rizzo/Duong chosen plaintext attack on SSL/TLS 1.0
>> (facilitated by websockets -76)]
>> doesn't seem to indicate java, but instead nss as being the issue. So,
>> "to be clear": is it a java or nss issue?
> 
> Java uses its own TLS stack, which is vulnerable as described in the bug 
> on plugins (https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=665814#c90 
> mentions that this has been split off into 
> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=688008), and Java allows 
> sockets to any site, which can trigger the attack, and Oracle has not 
> yet made any comments that they even intend to work on the problem.
> 
> The NSS stack is vulnerable in theory, but under our control, so we can 
> fix it, and will do so. To trigger the attack, HTTPS connection need to 
> be made in a certain way, though, and we have no code in Firefox or 
> SeaMonkey right now that does that. Websockets protocol -76 was a way to 
> trigger that, but we have not been implementing this protocol version 
> since Firefox 5 and SeaMonkey 2.2, we are now implementing a newer 
> protocol version of Websockets which cannot trigger that attack.
> 
> So, NSS is basically vulnerable, but we don't have any code that opens 
> network connections in a way that would actually allow the attack. We 
> still will fix NSS in future versions so that any change in how we're 
> doing connections will also not expose us to the attack. (Note that 
> Chrome is using NSS as well, and they're in the same situation as us 
> here and will ship probably exactly the same fix in the future.)
> 
> We can't fix Java, and Java applets are exploitable as things stand, so 
> our only possibility is to reduce/block usage of the vulnerable 
> versions, which are all we know about right now, and Oracle has not made 
> any commitment to fixing the problem in future versions.
> 
> I hope that explains the problem enough.
> 
> Robert Kaiser
> 
> 

It does indeed. Thanks for the details Robert.


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Re: Sea 2.5 Beta 1 Issue or local problem?

[NoOp]

On 09/30/2011 04:08 PM, Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:
> Hey Guys,
> 
> I just updated my local copy of SeaMonkey Beta to 2.5 Beta 1 from 2.4 
> Beta 3...
> 
> I then noticed that it was warning me about DOMi being 2.0.11pre and not 
> compat (a pre I can understand) which means I had run this profile with 
> a different newer SeaMonkey version at some point
> 
> What I did was uninstall DOMi, then restarted, then tried to install it 
> from AMO directly, that was failing, (stuff in error console about sql) 
> and then after restarting a few times, was STILL failing. After trying a 
> few random other extension installs, and getting further errors even 
> after a restart, I gave up.
> 
> In my profile renamed my addons.sqlite and tried again with DOMi, and it 
> worked. Compared the two sqlite files and didn't see anything glaring.
> 
> After that I restored myself to sanity by letting SeaMonkey install all 
> extensions fresh (changing prefs, etc.)
> 
> Please Please let me know if any of you encounter a similar/same issue. 
> Since my brief check couldn't track it down, and its surely something I 
> need to care about for release if it was more than just personal issues.
> 
> [I usually try to keep my testing profiles separate from my beta 
> profile, but obviously in this case I made a mistake at some point]
> 

There is an issue with the downloads (English US):
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/2.5b1
both the linux (32bit) and Windows version result in a 0 byte file. The
linux 64bit seems to be fine.

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Re: search button inactiv in 2.4 version

[NoOp]

On 09/29/2011 11:43 PM, M wrote:
> denewton wrote:
>> Hello,
>> With the last release 2.4 I downloaded, the "search button", to get
>> diretly google, for exemple, is absolutly inactiv (on two machines XP). I
>> reinstall 2.3.3 and it is running again.
>> What is brocken ?
>> sincerly
>> Bertrand
> 
> Just to confirm your problem. Google search button was also inactive on 
> both my desktop and laptop. Also reverted back for same reason.
> Thanks for posting I thought it may have been an OS problem
> 
> M

Just to confirm your problem, can you try restarting with add-ons
disabled and a test profile?

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Re: Sea 2.5 Beta 1 Issue or local problem?

[NoOp]

On 09/30/2011 05:03 PM, Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:
...
>> There is an issue with the downloads (English US):
>> http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/2.5b1
>> both the linux (32bit) and Windows version result in a 0 byte file. The
>> linux 64bit seems to be fine.
>>
> 
> Looks like it was probably a temporary issue with some of the mirrors 
> (its working fine for me now)
> 

Seems ok via:
http://mozilla.3c.stonekitty.net/seamonkey/releases/2.5b1/win32/en-US/SeaMonkey%20Setup%202.5b1.exe
and
http://mozilla.3c.stonekitty.net/seamonkey/releases/2.5b1/linux-i686/en-US/seamonkey-2.5b1.tar.bz2

I didn't have a chance to record the mirror from the 0 bytes issue.

Given that the mirror links rotate, you might want to see if you can
determine the one giving 0bytes.
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[Ping David E. Ross] Browser sniffing - Another Section 508 for you

[NoOp]

http://www.fafsa.ed.gov click 'Start Here' button & you see
"browser incompadibilty list *if* you are using linux versions of
Firefox or SeaMonkey. Spoof the browser to show a Windows version of
either (note you must use FF 4 or lower - 4 will get you in, but it then
shows a warning[1]) and it works.

Ditto for linux versions of:
Firefox:
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/7.0.1
Opera 11.51
Chromium 13.0.782.215 (Developer Build 97094 Linux) Ubuntu 10.10
Google Chrome 14.0.835.186


An Incompatible Browser Has Been Detected
Your Web browser is not supported by our Web site. You must use a
Compliant Web Browser - Standard* to view our site properly. We
recommend you upgrade to the latest version of your browser according to
your Operating System.

Browser Requirements to Access this Site (Listed by Operating System).

Supported Microsoft Internet Explorer browsers:
Windows XP - Internet Explorer 6.0, 7.0, and 8.0
Windows Vista - Internet Explorer 7.0 and 8.0
Windows 7 - Internet Explorer 8.0

**Instructions for upgrading Microsoft Internet Explorer browsers:

Click this link to access Microsoft's Internet Explorer page.
Click the "Download" hyperlink.
Click the "Download" button on the bottom of the page, underneath
the "Get Internet Explorer 7" heading.
Click the "Continue" button. Leave the "Change Language:" option as
"English."
We recommend you use your browser's default settings to safeguard
your application information and ensure that the Web site works properly.

** Note that Microsoft does not keep older browser versions available to
download from their Web site.

Supported Mozilla Firefox browsers:
Windows XP - Mozilla Firefox 3.5.x and 3.6.x
Windows Vista - Mozilla Firefox 3.5.x and 3.6.x
Windows 7 - Mozilla Firefox 3.5.x and 3.6.x
Macintosh Operating System 10.5 - Mozilla Firefox 3.5.x and 3.6.x
Macintosh Operating System 10.4 - Mozilla Firefox 3.6

Instructions for upgrading Mozilla Firefox browser:

Click this link to access http://www.mozilla.com/firefox.
Click the "Download Firefox" button.
We recommend you use your browser's default settings to safeguard
your application information and ensure that the Web site works properly.

Supported Apple Safari browsers:
Windows XP - Apple Safari 4.x and 5.x
Windows Vista - Apple Safari 4.x and 5.x
Windows 7 - Apple Safari 4.x and 5.x
Macintosh Operating System 10.6 - Apple Safari 5.x
Macintosh Operating System 10.5 - Apple Safari 4.x and 5.x
Macintosh Operating System 10.4 - Apple Safari 4.x

Instructions for upgrading Apple Safari browser:

Click this link to access http://www.apple.com/safari/download.
Click the "Download Safari" button.
We recommend you use your browser's default settings to safeguard
your application information and ensure that the Web site works properly.

Supported Google Chrome browsers:
Windows XP - Google Chrome 6.0.x
Windows Vista - Google Chrome 6.0.x
Windows 7 - Google Chrome 8.0.x
Windows 7 - Google Chrome 7.0.x
Windows 7 - Google Chrome 6.0.x
Windows 7 - Google Chrome 5.0.x
Macintosh Operating System 10.5 - Google Chrome 6.0.x

Instructions for upgrading Google Chrome browser:

Click this link to access http://www.google.com/chrome.
Click the "Download Google Chrome" button.
We recommend you use your browser's default settings to safeguard
your application information and ensure that the Web site works properly.

Supported Opera browsers:
Windows 7 - Opera 10.x
Windows 7 - Opera 9.0.x
Macintosh Operating System 10.4 - Opera Mini

Instructions for upgrading Opera browser:

Click this link to access http://www.opera.com.
Click the "Download Opera" button.
We recommend you use your browser's default settings to safeguard
your application information and ensure that the Web site works properly.

Supported AOL browsers:
Windows Vista - AOL 9.0
Windows Vista - AOL 8.0

*Compliant Web Browser - Standard
For the past few years, every major Web browser released has been built
around a set of open standards designated by the World Wide Web
Consortium, a non-profit organization charged with overseeing the
continuing development of the Web. What this means is that one piece of
code now looks the same on every modern browser, whether it be Internet
Explorer, Firefox, Safari, Opera, or others. The majority of our users
are using these modern browsers, so we can present content which is
optimized for them.


[1]
Unsupported Browser Detected

You are using an unsupported browser and/or operating system, which may
result in pages not displaying properly. We recommend that you download
a Supported Browser.

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Re: [Ping David E. Ross] Browser sniffing - Another Section 508 for you

[NoOp]

On 09/30/2011 07:20 PM, NoOp wrote:
> http://www.fafsa.ed.gov click 'Start Here' button & you see
> "browser incompadibilty list *if* you are using linux versions of
> Firefox or SeaMonkey. Spoof the browser to show a Windows version of
> either (note you must use FF 4 or lower - 4 will get you in, but it then
> shows a warning[1]) and it works.
> 
> Ditto for linux versions of:
> Firefox:
> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/7.0.1
> Opera 11.51
> Chromium 13.0.782.215 (Developer Build 97094 Linux) Ubuntu 10.10
> Google Chrome 14.0.835.186

Oh, and it barf up the same on on a real:
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/7.0.1

Have fun & let us know if they respond.



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Re: SeaMonkey 2.3.3 flickers all the time

[NoOp]

On 10/01/2011 08:21 AM, David E. Ross wrote:
> On 10/1/11 7:12 AM, Otto Wyss wrote:
>> Hope this is the right group. I've just checked Firefox with the same web 
>> page 
>> and it doesn't flicker.
>> 
>> Wyo
>> 
>>  Original Message 
>> Subject: Re: SeaMonkey 2.3.3 flickers all the time
>> Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2011 06:31:50 -0500
>> From: Jay Garcia 
>> Newsgroups: mozilla.general
>> References: 
>> 
>> On 01.10.2011 03:42, Otto Wyss wrote:
>> 
>>   --- Original Message ---
>> 
>>> Since version 2.3.3 SeaMonkey flickers on many webpages, it shortly
>>> displays a white background before the content is shown. How can I
>>> disable this?
>>>
>>> Wyo
>> 
>> May be better to post Seamonkey issues in the Seamonkey group:
>> 
>> mozilla.support.seamonkey
>> 
> 
> This is bug #662871 at
> .  To stop it,
> minimize the browser window and then restore it.
> 
> See also bug #664088 at
> .
> 

I just added comments to 664088; tested with WinXP 2.4.0 & 2.4.1 -
flickers. I then loaded 2.5b1 and the flicker is gone. Note: same
profile, same machine etc. Can anyone else with Windows please test
first with 2.4.x and then try 2.5b1 to see if they get the same results?



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Re: [Ping David E. Ross] Browser sniffing - Another Section 508 for you

[NoOp]

On 09/30/2011 08:53 PM, David E. Ross wrote:
...
> 
> I've submitted two reports to the U.S. Department of Education, to their
> Technical Support unit.  One report was about Firefox 7.0 not being
> recognized, and the other was about SeaMonkey (any version) not being
> recognized.
> 
> I'll wait about a week for a reply.  If none (or none acceptable) is
> received, I will then send a postal letter to Secretary of Education
> Arne Duncan.
> 
> HOWEVER, everyone else encountering such problems should also
> communicate with those in authority to correct them.  You should not
> slough it off onto someone else.
> 

Thanks!

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.3.3 flickers all the time

[NoOp]

NoOp wrote:

On 10/01/2011 08:21 AM, David E. Ross wrote:

On 10/1/11 7:12 AM, Otto Wyss wrote:

Hope this is the right group. I've just checked Firefox with the same web page
and it doesn't flicker.

Wyo

 Original Message 
Subject: Re: SeaMonkey 2.3.3 flickers all the time
Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2011 06:31:50 -0500
From: Jay Garcia
Newsgroups: mozilla.general
References:

On 01.10.2011 03:42, Otto Wyss wrote:

   --- Original Message ---


Since version 2.3.3 SeaMonkey flickers on many webpages, it shortly
displays a white background before the content is shown. How can I
disable this?

Wyo


May be better to post Seamonkey issues in the Seamonkey group:

mozilla.support.seamonkey



This is bug #662871 at
<https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=662871>.  To stop it,
minimize the browser window and then restore it.

See also bug #664088 at
<https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=664088>.



I just added comments to 664088; tested with WinXP 2.4.0&  2.4.1 -
flickers. I then loaded 2.5b1 and the flicker is gone. Note: same
profile, same machine etc. Can anyone else with Windows please test
first with 2.4.x and then try 2.5b1 to see if they get the same results?


I probably should have posted that last from Windows instead of linux...

OK:
Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:8.0) Gecko/20110929 
Firefox/8.0 SeaMonkey/2.5



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Re: Language pack does not update automatically on Seamonkey update

[NoOp]

On 10/01/2011 04:13 AM, Michal Svoboda wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I have the following problem for a number of update releases now.
> 
> 1. I update seamonkey (using the packaging system of my Linux distribution)
> 2. Start new seamonkey
> 3. Seamonkey says that it needs to check the update
>compatibility/availability/whatever of the Czech language pack
> 4. Seamonkey says it could NOT find that and it starts in english
> 5. I go to the seamonkey download site, download and install the
>language pack manually and everything is okay
> 
> Any ideas how this can be fixed so that seamonkey updates the language
> pack without manual intervention?
> 
> Seamonkey/OS version:
> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20110930 Firefox/7.0.1
> SeaMonkey/2.4.1
...
There are not auto updates etc., for linux 64 versions.
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Re: Language pack does not update automatically on Seamonkey update

[NoOp]

On 10/01/2011 03:07 PM, Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:
> NoOp wrote:
>> On 10/01/2011 04:13 AM, Michal Svoboda wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I have the following problem for a number of update releases now.
>>>
>>> 1. I update seamonkey (using the packaging system of my Linux distribution)
>>> 2. Start new seamonkey
>>> 3. Seamonkey says that it needs to check the update
>>> compatibility/availability/whatever of the Czech language pack
>>> 4. Seamonkey says it could NOT find that and it starts in english
>>> 5. I go to the seamonkey download site, download and install the
>>> language pack manually and everything is okay
>>>
>>> Any ideas how this can be fixed so that seamonkey updates the language
>>> pack without manual intervention?
>>>
>>> Seamonkey/OS version:
>>> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20110930 Firefox/7.0.1
>>> SeaMonkey/2.4.1
>> ...
>> There are not auto updates etc., for linux 64 versions.
> 
> Well there are now, KaiRo has been preparing them manually the past few 
> months, when he can.

Actually they are not. Have you tried a linux _64 update?

I'm sorry, but this is so much BS. Every *every* linux x86_64 is:

http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/

Contributed builds (other platforms)

These are unofficial builds and may be configured differently than the
official SeaMonkey builds. Please read their "readme" files for further
information.

> 
> The official support status is still the same, and my automation doesn't 
> create them, so EVERY automated update is created manually for linux64.

Yes, and so are you disputing my comment "There are not auto updates
etc., for linux 64 versions."?

Sorry I've either missed your point, or you seem to have some other
magical x86_64 process that escapes the fact of my comment: "There are
not auto updates etc., for linux 64 versions". (Should actually be
"There are *no* auto updates etc., for linux 64 versions").

When was the last time that you managed to do an auto-update with a
linux 64bit SeaMonkey client?




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Re: Why can one not copy from the Software Update window (was : Why doesn't "check for update" tell me there's a new version)

[NoOp]

On 10/02/2011 10:38 AM, Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote:
> 
> Otto Wyss wrote:
> 
>> I'm using SeaMonkey 2.3.3 since I thought this was the newest version.
>> Checking for updates doesn't show any new version, not even a hint.
>> Yet there's already 2.4.1 out. What's wrong?
> 
> My Seamonkey 2.3.3, in invoking "Check for updates" says ...
> 
>   
> 
> W H Y   can I not copy text from the Software Update window,

Actually I think this is an excellent question. File a bug report as
this is most likely the only way it will probably be answered.

> and is the text therein accessible to screen readers ?

Install Orca & check for yourself?

> 
> Philip Taylor


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Re: SM 2.3.1 email and Google Desktop Search

[NoOp]

On 09/07/2011 06:41 AM, Steve B. wrote:
> Since installing SM 2.0 and later versions I have not been able to have 
> Google Desktop Search index any of my SM email.
> I have copied GoogleDesktopMozilla.dll, GoogleDesktopMozillaStub.js, and
> GoogleDesktopMozillaStub.xpt to C:\Program Files\Seamonkey\components 
> with no success and even reinstalled GDS and re-indexed.  No luck.  Any 
> help will be appreciated.
> 
> Steve B.

As an FYI:
http://googledesktop.blogspot.com/2011/09/google-desktop-update.html

Google Desktop Update
Friday, September 02, 2011 12:48 PM
...
As of September 14, Google Desktop will no longer be available for
download, and existing installations will not be updated to include new
features or fixes.

Thanks again to all of our users. It’s been a fun journey.


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Re: Still getting pop-ups

[NoOp]

On 10/03/2011 01:39 PM, Tom S. wrote:
> Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:
...
>> Try such a configuration:
>>
>> browser.link.open_newwindow = 1
>> browser.link.open_newwindow.restriction = 0
>>
> OK, I tried that. Now the pop-up opens in the same 
> tab, so I have to use the back button to get to 
> the source page.
> Thanks anyway.  :-\  I'll try again with add-ons 
> disabled or with a blank profile, but doubt there 
> will be much difference. It's strange why no one 
> else seems to have even any sign of a pop-up on 
> these sites.
> 

Were I you, I'd run malware/spyware/virus etc., scans. Clear your
cookies, cache, and history (you can easily make a backup first).
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Re: [Ping David E. Ross] Browser sniffing - Another Section 508 for you

[NoOp]

On 09/30/2011 08:53 PM, David E. Ross wrote:
...
> 
> I've submitted two reports to the U.S. Department of Education, to their
> Technical Support unit.  One report was about Firefox 7.0 not being
> recognized, and the other was about SeaMonkey (any version) not being
> recognized.
> 
> I'll wait about a week for a reply.  If none (or none acceptable) is
> received, I will then send a postal letter to Secretary of Education
> Arne Duncan.
> 
> HOWEVER, everyone else encountering such problems should also
> communicate with those in authority to correct them.  You should not
> slough it off onto someone else.
> 

Reply from federalstudentaidcustomerserv...@ed.gov to a user that
reported that he couldn't access the website with a linux browser
(Firefox in this case):

> *From:* FAFSAWeb 
> *Date:* October 3, 2011 
> *To:* 
> *Subject:* *RE: Can't access site*
> 
> Thank you for your inquiry about federal student aid.
> 
> The browsers (along with specific operating systems) listed below have been
> certified for use with FAFSA on the Web. If you choose to use a browser
> (with an operating system) other than the ones listed here, the site's pages
> may not display properly, and you may encounter problems while entering your
> application that Customer Service may not be able to resolve. On a quarterly
> basis, the U.S. Department of Education will evaluate new browser versions
> and certify them for use with FAFSA on the Web.
> 
> Please use one of the following supported browser and operating system
> combinations.
> 
> Microsoft browsers:
> 6.0.2600. - Internet Explorer 6.0 (Windows XP)
> 6.0.2800.1106 - Internet Explorer 6.0 with Service Pack 1 (Windows XP)
> 6.0.2900.2180 - Internet Explorer 6.0 with Service Pack 2 (Windows XP)
> 7.0.5730.11 - Internet Explorer 7.0 (Windows XP, and Windows Vista)
> 7.0.6000.164448 - Internet Explorer 7.0 (Windows Vista)
> 8.0.6001.18702 - Internet Explorer 8.0 (Windows XP, Windows 7)
> 8.0.600 - Internet Explorer 8.0 (Windows Vista, Windows 7)
> All versions of Internet Explorer 6 customized with the Internet Explorer
> Administration Kit (IEAK) include one of the following strings after the
> version number when you select "About" on the Help menu:
> IC = Internet Content Provider
> IS = Internet Service Provider
> CO = Corporate Administrator
> 
> Mozilla Firefox browsers:
> Mozilla Firefox 3.5.x (Windows XP, Windows Vista, Windows 7, Vista, Mac OS X
> 10.4.x, and Mac OS X 10.5.x)
> Mozilla Firefox 3.6.x (Windows XP, Windows Vista, Windows 7, Mac OS X
> 10.5.x, and Mac OS X 10.6.x)
> 
> Apple Safari browsers:
> Safari 4.0 (Windows XP, Windows Vista, Mac OS X 10.4.x and Mac OS X 10.5.x)
> Safari 5.0 (Windows XP, Windows Vista, Mac OS X 10.5.x and Mac OS X 10.6.x)
> 
> Google Chrome browsers:
> Google Chrome 5.0.x (Windows 7)
> Google Chrome 6.0.x (Windows XP, Windows Vista, and Windows 7, Mac OS X
> 10.5.x)
> Google Chrome 7.0.x (Windows 7)
> 
> Opera browsers:
> Opera 9 (Windows 7)
> Opera 10 (Windows 7)
> Opera Mini (Mac OS X 10.4.x)
> 
> If you have additional questions or technical problems with FAFSA on the
> Web, please contact the Federal Student Aid Information Center (FSAIC) at
> 1-800-4-FED-AID (1-800-433-3243) or 319-337-5665 between 6:00am and
> midnight, Monday through Friday and 9:00am to 6:00pmSaturday Eastern Time.
> Please listen for the Web site assistance option for help with the PIN or
> the FAFSA on the Web site. You may also contact us at
> federalstudentaidcustomerserv...@ed.gov if you have further technical
> support questions.
> 
> We hope this information is helpful.
> 
> 
> Ingrid Sure
> FSAIC Technical Support
> 1-800/433-3243 TTY 1-800/730-8913

Note that they specify approved operating systems (linux not included),
*and* require users to use an EOL FF 3.5 browser (?? not sure as there
doesn't seem to be any definitive FF page on EOL's), and/or a close to
EOL Mozilla browser 3.6.

Regardless of the status of FF 3.x versions, they clearly do not support
any current versions (7.x) and that would include SeaMonkey 2.4 (gecko
7) and SeaMonkey 2.5 (gecko 8).


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Re: [Ping David E. Ross] Browser sniffing - Another Section 508 for you

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On 10/04/2011 03:56 PM, David E. Ross wrote:
...
>> I've submitted two reports to the U.S. Department of Education, to their
>> Technical Support unit.  One report was about Firefox 7.0 not being
>> recognized, and the other was about SeaMonkey (any version) not being
>> recognized.
>> 
>> I'll wait about a week for a reply.  If none (or none acceptable) is
>> received, I will then send a postal letter to Secretary of Education
>> Arne Duncan.
>> 
>> HOWEVER, everyone else encountering such problems should also
>> communicate with those in authority to correct them.  You should not
>> slough it off onto someone else.
>> 
> 
> I received an E-mail reply regarding Firefox 7.  Effectively, the
> technical help unit in the U.S. Department of Education says that the
> FAFSA Web site is not their responsibility and that I should submit my
> complaint elsewhere, despite the fact that FAFSA is a Department of
> Education program.  However, they did not indicate an E-mail address or
> Web for URI for "elsewhere".
> 
> My letter to Education Secretary Duncan is already in an envelope along
> with a copy of the E-mail reply and a print-out of the page that says
> the Web site can be viewed with Firefox only through versions 3.5.x and
> 3.6.x.  Since the site's list of acceptable browsers is quite
> restrictive and does not mention audio browsers for the blind, my letter
> suggests that the Web site might be in violation of Section 508 of the
> U.S. Rehabilitation Act of 1986 (as amended in 1998), which contains a
> mandate for government Web sites to be accessible by the handicapped.
> 
> I have not yet received any response relative to SeaMonkey.
> 
> See:
>   
>   
> Note that bug #213915 was submitted more than 8 years ago.  The site has
> been updated since then, but it perpetually sniffs for replaced versions
> of Netscape, then Mozilla Suite, and now Firefox.
> 

Thanks for those. I suspect that we're probably tilting at windmills...

(BTW: does anyone know how to shorten the above so that you don't get
all of the added nonsense?)
Seems like it's a never ending issue with them. You'd think that given:
http://federalstudentaid.ed.gov/about/index.html

Federal Student Aid, an office of the U.S. Department of Education,
ensures that all eligible individuals can benefit from federally funded
financial assistance for education beyond high school. We consistently
champion the promise of postsecondary education to all Americans —and
its value to our society.

they could hire some of those students to properly manage their website.
Oh, wait... let's take a look:
http://federalstudentaid.ed.gov/about/employment.html
Looks like that have one job opening:


Oh well...
WHO MAY BE CONSIDERED:
This announcement is open to current FSA employees serving under a
permanent appointment, or temporary FSA employees with reinstatement
eligibility.




I also sent them an email and have yet to receive a reply.

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Re: [Ping David E. Ross] Browser sniffing - Another Section 508 for you

[NoOp]

On 10/04/2011 05:18 PM, David E. Ross wrote:
> On 10/4/11 4:54 PM, NoOp wrote [IN PART]:
>> 
>> Thanks for those. I suspect that we're probably tilting at windmills...
>> <http://www.google.com/webhp?complete=0#sclient=psy-ab&hl=en&complete=0&site=webhp&source=hp&q=fafsa+%2Bincompatible+web+browsers&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&fp=a271f0478f23d1e9&biw=1280&bih=736>
>> (BTW: does anyone know how to shorten the above so that you don't get
>> all of the added nonsense?)
> 
> You're welcom.
> 
> In this case, I would say to do a Google search on the term "fafsa" with
> the phrase "incompatible web browsers".

No. I do that; the above is actually a search using 'fafsa +incompatible
web browsers', but when I copy & past the url I get all of the
extraneous Google speak. Some time ago you could just snip it down to
something like:
http://www.google.com/q=fafsa+%2Bincompatible+web+browsers
(can't recall the exact format) and it would work. Now it seems like
they've got to add tons of other crap in the url & I can't figure out
how to shorten it.

> 
> I think my letter's reference to the U.S. Rehabilitation Act might
> actually get results.  Such a reference got results in the past with
> other Web sites.
> 

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Re: [Ping David E. Ross] Browser sniffing - Another Section 508 for you

[NoOp]

On 10/04/2011 05:44 PM, NoOp wrote:
> On 10/04/2011 05:18 PM, David E. Ross wrote:
>> On 10/4/11 4:54 PM, NoOp wrote [IN PART]:
>>> 
>>> Thanks for those. I suspect that we're probably tilting at windmills...
>>> <http://www.google.com/webhp?complete=0#sclient=psy-ab&hl=en&complete=0&site=webhp&source=hp&q=fafsa+%2Bincompatible+web+browsers&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&fp=a271f0478f23d1e9&biw=1280&bih=736>
>>> (BTW: does anyone know how to shorten the above so that you don't get
>>> all of the added nonsense?)
>> 
>> You're welcom.
>> 
>> In this case, I would say to do a Google search on the term "fafsa" with
>> the phrase "incompatible web browsers".
> 
> No. I do that; the above is actually a search using 'fafsa +incompatible
> web browsers', but when I copy & past the url I get all of the
> extraneous Google speak. Some time ago you could just snip it down to
> something like:
> http://www.google.com/q=fafsa+%2Bincompatible+web+browsers
> (can't recall the exact format) and it would work. Now it seems like
> they've got to add tons of other crap in the url & I can't figure out
> how to shorten it.
...
Ironically I Googled it & found that:
http://www.google.com/search?q=fafsa+%2Bincompatible+web+browsers
works.

But you'd need to know that to to do it & it's not apparent at all in
the original url I provided.

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Re: Still getting pop-ups

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On 10/04/2011 07:51 PM, Barry Edwin Gilmour wrote:
> Tom S. wrote:
> 
>> Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:
>>> Mon, 03 Oct 2011 12:31:46 -0400, /Tom S./:
 Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:

> Open links meant to open a new window in:
> (x) The current tab/window
> [...]
> | 2
> | Divert all links according to
> browser.link.open_newwindow, unless
> [...]
> 
>

 Thanks. I changed this setting from 0 to 2 in
 the config editor
 (about:config). So, now when a pop-up opens, it
 is in a new small
 window instead of another tab. I can close it
 with Alt-F4 on the
 keyboard instead of using the mouse.
>>>
>>> Unless you change the first one
>>> (browser.link.open_newwindow) to something more
>>> restrictive (as suggested above) you effectively
>>> allow more popups setting the second one
>>> (browser.link.open_newwindow.restriction) to value
>>> of 2.
>>>
>>> Try such a configuration:
>>>
>>> browser.link.open_newwindow = 1
>>> browser.link.open_newwindow.restriction = 0
>>>
>> OK, I tried that. Now the pop-up opens in the same tab, so I have to
>> use the back button to get to the source page.
>> Thanks anyway.  :-\  I'll try again with add-ons disabled or with a
>> blank profile, but doubt there will be much difference. It's strange
>> why no one else seems to have even any sign of a pop-up on these sites.
>>
> 
> 
> You're not alone and sorry for the confirmation delay..
> 
> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:10.0a1) Gecko/20111003 
> SeaMonkey/2.7a1 ID:20111003003001
> 
>  
> Barry

Imageshack is famous for this. For example, here is a screenshot that I
posted yesterday:

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/72/screenshotlibertine343o.png/
If you click on the image to zoom you'll get either a popup
advertisement tab or window depending upon how your preferences are set.
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Re: Still getting pop-ups

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On 10/05/2011 10:02 AM, WLS wrote:
> NoOp wrote:
>> On 10/04/2011 07:51 PM, Barry Edwin Gilmour wrote:
...
>>> You're not alone and sorry for the confirmation delay..
>>> <http://cdn.optmd.com/V2/89667/235160/index.html?g=Af8=&r=www.gocomics.com/calvinandhobbes/>
>>> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:10.0a1) Gecko/20111003
>>> SeaMonkey/2.7a1 ID:20111003003001
>>> <http://www.flickr.com/photos/64156765@N03/6213203972/sizes/l/in/photostream/>
>>> Barry
>>
>> Imageshack is famous for this. For example, here is a screenshot that I
>> posted yesterday:
>>
>> http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/72/screenshotlibertine343o.png/
>> If you click on the image to zoom you'll get either a popup
>> advertisement tab or window depending upon how your preferences are set.
> 
> I get an empty window.
> 
> There is an Adblock Plus pop-up blocker extension add-on for the Adblock 
> Plus extension.
> 

Yeah, it's often blank:
http://imageshack.us/newuploader_ad.php?ad_tag=Imageshack_Landing_pops2
I guess an advert only shows when someone pays for it :-) Either way,
it's a consistant aggravation.


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Re: Still getting pop-ups

[NoOp]

On 10/05/2011 10:23 AM, David E. Ross wrote:
> On 10/5/11 10:02 AM, WLS wrote:
>> NoOp wrote:
...
>>>
>>> Imageshack is famous for this. For example, here is a screenshot that I
>>> posted yesterday:
>>>
>>> http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/72/screenshotlibertine343o.png/
>>> If you click on the image to zoom you'll get either a popup
>>> advertisement tab or window depending upon how your preferences are set.
>> 
>> I get an empty window.
>> 
>> There is an Adblock Plus pop-up blocker extension add-on for the Adblock 
>> Plus extension.
>> 
> 
> I too was getting an empty window, but with the initial window having
> the image resized.  Then I added
> <http://imageshack.us/newuploader_ad.php> to my AdBlock Plus filters.
> Now I only get the initial window resized.
> 

Did that and I still get the
http://imageshack.us/newuploader_ad.php?ad_tag=Imageshack_Landing_pops2
Cleared cach, etc., no cookies, and even tried in a different window.
Adblock Plus is showing the http://imageshack.us/newuploader_ad.php as
being blocked.
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Re: Is this normal Seamonkey/ Lightning/CALdav

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On 10/05/2011 12:03 PM, Rob Steinmetz wrote:
> I have just updated my setup to Seamonkey 2.4.1 and Lightning 1.0beta7
> 
> I have added a CALdav calendar (eGroupware) and everything seems to work 
> as expected except when I have my CALdav calendar selected no event 
> notifications are sent.
> 
> If I have the default "Home" Local Calendar selected then notifications 
> are sent.
> 
> Is this normal and can it be fixed?

Not sure as I only use an ical (US Holidays from Apple), but these pages
may be of help:

https://wiki.mozilla.org/Calendar:QA_CalDAV_Support
http://wiki.davical.org/w/CalDAV_Clients/Mozilla_Calendar

Your best bet will most likely be to ask on the mozilla.support.calendar
group.


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Re: 2.4.1 Insert Characters and Symbols

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On 10/06/2011 07:23 AM, Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:
> Rob Steinmetz wrote:
>> I just installed 2.4.1 (upgraded from 1.xx and find that the
>> Insert -> Characters and Symbols
>> has no options.
> 
> Rob, unfortunately this is a known issue, I plan to release an addon 
> within the week to correct this, as a hotfix. and will get the real fix 
> into a 2.4.2 *IFF* there is another reason for a "chemspill" release.
> 
> Stay tuned to our official blog or this newsgroup for that.
> 

Works in:
Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:8.0) Gecko/20110929
Firefox/8.0 SeaMonkey/2.5


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Re: 2.4.1 Insert Characters and Symbols

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On 10/06/2011 08:57 AM, NoOp wrote:
> On 10/06/2011 07:23 AM, Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:
>> Rob Steinmetz wrote:
>>> I just installed 2.4.1 (upgraded from 1.xx and find that the
>>> Insert -> Characters and Symbols
>>> has no options.
>> 
>> Rob, unfortunately this is a known issue, I plan to release an addon 
>> within the week to correct this, as a hotfix. and will get the real fix 
>> into a 2.4.2 *IFF* there is another reason for a "chemspill" release.
>> 
>> Stay tuned to our official blog or this newsgroup for that.
>> 
> 
> Works in:
> Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:8.0) Gecko/20110929
> Firefox/8.0 SeaMonkey/2.5

Also working in:
Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:8.0) Gecko/20110929
Firefox/8.0 SeaMonkey/2.5

Note: these are the 2.5b1 versions.



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SeaMonkey 2.5b2

[NoOp]

Just received the rss announcement regarding the update from 2.5b1 to
2.5b2, but I'm a little confused over why the update.

http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.5/changes
states:

Fixes in Beta 2

Insert/Characters and Symbols had stopped working (no options in
drop-downs) (bug 690267).

These dropdowns were/are working correctly in SeaMonkey 2.5b1 (as I
reported in the "2.4.1  Insert Characters and Symbols" thread.

Seems like a waste of build effort to "fix" a bug that is already fixed
in 2.5b1.

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.5b2

[NoOp]

On 10/07/2011 06:50 PM, Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:
> Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:
>> NoOp wrote:
>>> Just received the rss announcement regarding the update from 2.5b1 to
>>> 2.5b2, but I'm a little confused over why the update.
>>>
>>> http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.5/changes
>>> states:
>>>
>>> Fixes in Beta 2
>>>
>>> Insert/Characters and Symbols had stopped working (no options in
>>> drop-downs) (bug 690267).
>>>
>>> These dropdowns were/are working correctly in SeaMonkey 2.5b1 (as I
>>> reported in the "2.4.1 Insert Characters and Symbols" thread.
>>>
>>> Seems like a waste of build effort to "fix" a bug that is already fixed
>>> in 2.5b1.
>>>
>>
>> Well we also match the fixes in Gecko 2.5b2, such as the extension issue
>> that was also fixed in 2.4.1 ;-) (it was not fixed in 2.5b1)
>>
>> And that "Insert" issue, I saw that you reported it was working for you,
>> but my experience was different (not sure why). I know that Thunderbird
>> fixed it in time for their first beta (they did a respin)...
>>
> 
> Hrm, just *double* checked with that Insert issue and  it does seem like 
> my beta 1 did get the fix, interesting ;-)
> 

Yes... linux and Windows. As for the 'extension issue' I didn't
experience that in 2.5b1 either. But if that is a fix, then perhaps it
should be added to:
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.5/changes
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Re: Relocating Profiles

[NoOp]

On 10/09/2011 09:49 PM, Philip Chee wrote:
> On Sun, 09 Oct 2011 18:21:31 -0500, rob wrote:
>> Is it possible to relocate Sea Monkey Profiles on Windows XP?
>> 
>> Can I simply copy the profile to an new location, delete the old profile 
>> and create a new profile in the new location?
> 
> You can relocate your profile(s). What you can't do is to relocate the
> file that tells SeaMonkey where your profiles are (profiles.ini).

I'm surprised by that statement. profiles.ini:

Linux:

[General]
StartWithLastProfile=1

[Profile0]
Name=default
IsRelative=1
Path=b0nvvgxg.default
Default=1

[Profile1]
Name=test
IsRelative=1
Path=jo8w4gyg.test


WinXP:

[General]
StartWithLastProfile=1

[Profile0]
Name=default
IsRelative=1
Path=Profiles/glm980i1.default


In both cases the 'Path=' is generic. If the profile is moved, all files
will be moved (including) profile.ini. The issue will be in prefs.js as
that file will have references to the old profile location. prefs.js can
easily be edited with a text editor to reflect the new profile location
(I move/copy my linux profiles to my WinXP virtual machines all the time).

> 
> Things get more complicated if you also have mail and news accounts and
> your profile is rather old and crusty and inherited from the Mozilla 1.6
> or Netscape 7 days.
> 
> Phil
> 

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Re: seamonkey freeze when using toolbar menus

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On 10/10/2011 12:04 AM, Patrick Begou wrote:
> I have a strange problem with seamonkey on my desktop: If I try to use the 
> toolbar menu (files / edit / view... etc) seamonkey freeze. Firefox follows 
> the 
> same behavior. I've ran several tests and I do not understand what happens:
> 
> - logged on the PC with gnome desktop the problem occurs.
> - logged on the PC with icewm desktop the problem occurs.
> - logged on the PC with another login, the problem do not occur.
> - logged on the PC with another login and runing ssh -XC on the same PC with 
> my 
> account, the problem do not occur.
> - I've removed (logged with root) all the ".*" files & directories in my home 
> directory and moved .mozilla directory out. The problem still occurs.
> - I've removed/installed-again seamonkey. The problem still occurs.
> 
> - I've no messages in the terminal where I launch seamonkey excepted:
> /Gtk-Message: (for origin information, set GTK_DEBUG): failed to retrieve 
> property `GtkTreeView::odd-row-color' of type `GdkColor' from rc file value 
> "((GString*) 0x7fa781422200)" of type `GString'/
> /*** nss-shared-helper: Shared database disabled (set NSS_USE_SHARED_DB to 
> enable). /
> //usr/bin/firefox: line 139:  1893 Processus arrêté  $MOZ_PROGRAM "$@"/
> But I have these for every login.
> 
> - I've no messages  in /var/log/messages.
> 
> I'm a little bit confused with this and any suggestion is welcome.
> 
> Patrick
> 

It's helpful if you tell us which distro & version, plus how you
installed SeaMonkey.
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Re: seamonkey freeze when using toolbar menus

[NoOp]

On 10/11/2011 12:02 AM, Patrick Begou wrote:
> I'm sorry, I should have detailed this.
> 
> Distrib is:
>openSUSE 11.4 (x86_64)
>VERSION = 11.4
>CODENAME = Celadon
> 
> Seamonkey is the rpm provided by OpenSuse with all available patchs applied:
> i | seamonkey | package | 2.4-1.2.1   | x86_64 | Mises à 
> jour pour openSUSE 11.4 11.4-0
> i | seamonkey | patch  | 5210 | noarch | 
> Mises à 
> jour pour openSUSE 11.4 11.4-0
> i | seamonkey | patch  | 5122 | noarch | 
> Mises à 
> jour pour openSUSE 11.4 11.4-0
> i | seamonkey | patch  | 5024 | noarch | 
> Mises à 
> jour pour openSUSE 11.4 11.4-0
> i | seamonkey | patch  | 4462 | noarch | 
> Mises à 
> jour pour openSUSE 11.4 11.4-0
> i | seamonkey | patch  | 4204 | noarch | 
> Mises à 
> jour pour openSUSE 11.4 11.4-0
> i | seamonkey | patch  | 4113 | noarch | 
> Mises à 
> jour pour openSUSE 11.4 11.4-0
> i | seamonkey-translations-common | package| 2.4-1.2.1| x86_64 | 
> Mises à 
> jour pour openSUSE 11.4 11.4-0
> 
> and "about seamonkey" says:
> Identifiant de compilation : Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:7.0) 
> Gecko/20110922 Firefox/7.0 SeaMonkey/2.4

Sounds like an openSUSE bug - have you checked for bug reports there?

You can try the standard Mozilla version; download and extract to a home
folder & run from there. See if you still get the same errors.

$ cd seamonkey
$ ./seamonkey



> 
> Patrick
> 
> NoOp a écrit :
>> On 10/10/2011 12:04 AM, Patrick Begou wrote:
>>> I have a strange problem with seamonkey on my desktop: If I try to use the
>>> toolbar menu (files / edit / view... etc) seamonkey freeze. Firefox follows 
>>> the
>>> same behavior. I've ran several tests and I do not understand what happens:
>>>
>>> - logged on the PC with gnome desktop the problem occurs.
>>> - logged on the PC with icewm desktop the problem occurs.
>>> - logged on the PC with another login, the problem do not occur.
>>> - logged on the PC with another login and runing ssh -XC on the same PC 
>>> with my
>>> account, the problem do not occur.
>>> - I've removed (logged with root) all the ".*" files&  directories in my 
>>> home
>>> directory and moved .mozilla directory out. The problem still occurs.
>>> - I've removed/installed-again seamonkey. The problem still occurs.
>>>
>>> - I've no messages in the terminal where I launch seamonkey excepted:
>>> /Gtk-Message: (for origin information, set GTK_DEBUG): failed to retrieve
>>> property `GtkTreeView::odd-row-color' of type `GdkColor' from rc file value
>>> "((GString*) 0x7fa781422200)" of type `GString'/
>>> /*** nss-shared-helper: Shared database disabled (set NSS_USE_SHARED_DB to
>>> enable). /
>>> //usr/bin/firefox: line 139:  1893 Processus arrêté  $MOZ_PROGRAM "$@"/
>>> But I have these for every login.
>>>
>>> - I've no messages  in /var/log/messages.
>>>
>>> I'm a little bit confused with this and any suggestion is welcome.
>>>
>>> Patrick
>>>
>> It's helpful if you tell us which distro&  version, plus how you
>> installed SeaMonkey.
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Laugh of the day... Microsoft tries to shine one one

[NoOp]

[Microsoft flags Firefox and Chrome for security failings]

Of course when I go to:
http://yourbrowsermatters.org/

It doesn't check squat. For mine:

"We can't give you a score for your browser".

OK fine.
Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111006
Firefox/8.0 SeaMonkey/2.5

Domain Name:YOURBROWSERMATTERS.ORG
Created On:07-Jul-2011 16:45:47 UTC
Last Updated On:06-Sep-2011 03:49:28 UTC
Expiration Date:07-Jul-2012 16:45:47 UTC
Sponsoring Registrar:CSC Corporate Domains, Inc. (R24-LROR)
Status:CLIENT TRANSFER PROHIBITED
Registrant ID:10553267d9b6f463
Registrant Name:Domain Administrator
Registrant Organization:Microsoft Corporation
Registrant Street1:One Microsoft Way
Registrant Street2:
Registrant Street3:
Registrant City:Redmond
Registrant State/Province:WA

That indicates to me that they don't test crap & have simply put up the
site (an .org no less) as a pure marketing ploy.
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Re: Things have got worse...

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On 10/12/2011 04:05 PM, WLS wrote:
> Chris Ilias wrote:
>> On 11-10-12 3:05 AM, Dustbin wrote:
>>> FireFox is now presuming to bypass my firewall without asking permission
>>> to access the internet. WHat is worse, is that it does not appear in the
>>> list of programmes so that I can set whether it has permission or not.
>>>
>>> In order to protect myself it may be necessary to stop using FireFox
>>> altogether.
>>>
>>> Is everything at mozilla going pear-shaped?
>>
>> [@ everyone else: if you look at Dustbin's user-agent string, you'll see
>> that he's using SeaMonkey 2.0.14 on Windows Vista, so directing him/her
>> to a Firefox newsgroup is incorrect.]
>>
>> @ Dustbin,
>> SeaMonkey and Firefox are two separate products, and according to your
>> headers, you are using SeaMonkey. Neither are designed to bypass
>> firewalls. If your firewall is doing its job, that should not even be
>> possible. In the program list, look for "SeaMonkey" not Firefox.
>>
> 
> I guess I will have to start doing that, since this is the worst example 
> yet of a user not knowing what the hell they are using. So yes, things 
> have got worse :)
> 
> I'm still trying to find Firefox 7.01 so I can test it.
> 

Blink.

http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/all.html

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Re: Things have got worse...

[NoOp]

On 10/12/2011 04:45 PM, Gertjan wrote:
> NoOp wrote:
>> On 10/12/2011 04:05 PM, WLS wrote:
>>> Chris Ilias wrote:
>>>> On 11-10-12 3:05 AM, Dustbin wrote:
>>>>> FireFox is now presuming to bypass my firewall without asking permission
>>>>> to access the internet. WHat is worse, is that it does not appear in the
>>>>> list of programmes so that I can set whether it has permission or not.
>>>>>
>>>>> In order to protect myself it may be necessary to stop using FireFox
>>>>> altogether.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is everything at mozilla going pear-shaped?
>>>>
>>>> [@ everyone else: if you look at Dustbin's user-agent string, you'll see
>>>> that he's using SeaMonkey 2.0.14 on Windows Vista, so directing him/her
>>>> to a Firefox newsgroup is incorrect.]
>>>>
>>>> @ Dustbin,
>>>> SeaMonkey and Firefox are two separate products, and according to your
>>>> headers, you are using SeaMonkey. Neither are designed to bypass
>>>> firewalls. If your firewall is doing its job, that should not even be
>>>> possible. In the program list, look for "SeaMonkey" not Firefox.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I guess I will have to start doing that, since this is the worst example
>>> yet of a user not knowing what the hell they are using. So yes, things
>>> have got worse :)
>>>
>>> I'm still trying to find Firefox 7.01 so I can test it.
>>>
>>
>> Blink.
>>
>> http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/all.html
>>
> what are you protesting for?
> 

world Peace.

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Re: Things have got worse...

[NoOp]

On 10/12/2011 04:29 PM, WLS wrote:
> NoOp wrote:
>> On 10/12/2011 04:05 PM, WLS wrote:
>>> Chris Ilias wrote:
>>>> On 11-10-12 3:05 AM, Dustbin wrote:
>>>>> FireFox is now presuming to bypass my firewall without asking permission
>>>>> to access the internet. WHat is worse, is that it does not appear in the
>>>>> list of programmes so that I can set whether it has permission or not.
>>>>>
>>>>> In order to protect myself it may be necessary to stop using FireFox
>>>>> altogether.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is everything at mozilla going pear-shaped?
>>>>
>>>> [@ everyone else: if you look at Dustbin's user-agent string, you'll see
>>>> that he's using SeaMonkey 2.0.14 on Windows Vista, so directing him/her
>>>> to a Firefox newsgroup is incorrect.]
>>>>
>>>> @ Dustbin,
>>>> SeaMonkey and Firefox are two separate products, and according to your
>>>> headers, you are using SeaMonkey. Neither are designed to bypass
>>>> firewalls. If your firewall is doing its job, that should not even be
>>>> possible. In the program list, look for "SeaMonkey" not Firefox.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I guess I will have to start doing that, since this is the worst example
>>> yet of a user not knowing what the hell they are using. So yes, things
>>> have got worse :)
>>>
>>> I'm still trying to find Firefox 7.01 so I can test it.
>>>
>>
>> Blink.
>>
>> http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/all.html
>>
> 
> Gotcha! You are one of the users that don't know your versions.

Actually I do.

> 
> I have Firefox 7.0.1 installed. I'm looking for the one that people call 
> 7.01, when they ask for support.
> 

Is there somewhere in this thread that referred to 7.01 other than
yourself? I figured that you'd entered the 'typo zone' and simply
pointed you to the downloads for FF 7.0.1.


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Re: Warning: Unresponsive script

[NoOp]

On 10/14/2011 02:01 AM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
> Every once in a while, if my computer is very busy with other things, 
> SeaMonkey won't be able to get enough CPU time and throws this error. 
> It's usually one of SeaMonkey's own internal scripts such as 
> autocomplete.js if I happen to be typing in the To: field, but 
> occasionally it's a script on a webpage I'm visiting. Here's an example:
> 
> 
> Warning: Unresponsive script
> 
> A script on this page may be busy, or it may have stopped responding. 
> You can stop the script now, or you can continue to see if the script 
> will complete.
> 
> [Continue] [Stop script]
> 
> chrome://global/content/bindings/tree.xml:953
> 
> [ ] Don't ask me again.
> 
> 
> I click "Continue" unless I'm really desperate because as a user I have 
> no way of knowing the consequences of stopping the script. I don't know 
> what it's doing or how far it's gotten. But that's not my question.
> 
> My question is about the scope of the option at bottom. If I check the 
> box, am I saying...
> 
> a) quit prompting me about all unresponsive scripts anywhere for the 
> life of my computer?
> 
> b) quit prompting me about scripts being slow during this session, but 
> resume prompting after I restart SeaMonkey?
> 
> c) quit prompting me about scripts on this webpage, but keep prompting 
> me otherwise?
> 
> d) quit prompting me about this particular script on this particular 
> page, but keep prompting me otherwise?
> 
> e) something else I haven't thought of?
> 
> Thanks.
> 

http://kb.mozillazine.org/Script_busy_or_stopped_responding


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Re: What explains this?

[NoOp]

On 10/14/2011 12:28 PM, Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote:
> I posted this:  to the newsgroup.
> -
>  From - Fri Oct 14 12:31:02 2011
> X-Mozilla-Status: 0001
> X-Mozilla-Status2: 0080
> X-Mozilla-Keys: 
> 
> Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 12:31:01 -0400
> From: Rostyslaw Lewyckyj 
> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20110928 
> Firefox/7.0.1 SeaMonkey/2.4.1
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> Newsgroups: mozilla.support.seamonkey
> Subject: Tab or Page?  which will it be?
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> 
> SM 2.4.1 no customizations, on a WIN 7 system.
> 
> If I left button click on a link,
> Where will the new content be displayed?
>- New page?
>- old page?
>- new tab?
>- old tab?
> How does one predict/guess ?
> 

Your question was posted below your sig... so I have to paste back to
reply.

> ==
> 
> Is there some kind of a mailing list associated with the newsgroup?
> 
> Even so shouldn't the mail bounce message have been sent to the list
> administrator, rather than to me?

https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo
https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey

Complain to:
support-seamonkey-ow...@lists.mozilla.org
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Re: What explains this?

[NoOp]

On 10/14/2011 01:25 PM, Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote:
> NoOp wrote:
>> On 10/14/2011 12:28 PM, Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote:
>>> I posted this:  to the newsgroup.
>>> -
>>>   From - Fri Oct 14 12:31:02 2011
>>> X-Mozilla-Status: 0001
>>> X-Mozilla-Status2: 0080
>>> X-Mozilla-Keys:
>>>
>>> Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 12:31:01 -0400
>>> From: Rostyslaw Lewyckyj
>>> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20110928
>>> Firefox/7.0.1 SeaMonkey/2.4.1
>>> MIME-Version: 1.0
>>> Newsgroups: mozilla.support.seamonkey
>>> Subject: Tab or Page?  which will it be?
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>>>
>>> SM 2.4.1 no customizations, on a WIN 7 system.
>>>
>>> If I left button click on a link,
>>> Where will the new content be displayed?
>>> - New page?
>>> - old page?
>>> - new tab?
>>> - old tab?
>>> How does one predict/guess ?
>>>
>>
>> Your question was posted below your sig... so I have to paste back to
>> reply.
>>
>>> ==
>>>
>>> Is there some kind of a mailing list associated with the newsgroup?
>>>
>>> Even so shouldn't the mail bounce message have been sent to the list
>>> administrator, rather than to me?
>>
>> https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo
>> https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
>>
>> Complain to:
>> support-seamonkey-ow...@lists.mozilla.org
> 
> To: NoOp
> Thank you for your Complain to: pointer.
> I have just received a second mail bounce message from the same source,
> so I think there's a problem somewhere.
> 
> As to, "Your question was posted below your sig..." that is/was an
> artifact of me quoting the whole message that I had posted to the
> newsgroup , without removing the signature which was a part of the
> original posting.  My humble and abject apologies.
> 
> 

No worries. In the future it's better if you paste things like that as
quoted text (Edit|Paste As Quotation).

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Re: Warning: Unresponsive script

[NoOp]

On 10/14/2011 03:43 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
> NoOp wrote:
> 
>> On 10/14/2011 02:01 AM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
>>> Every once in a while, if my computer is very busy with other things,
>>> SeaMonkey won't be able to get enough CPU time and throws this error.
>>> It's usually one of SeaMonkey's own internal scripts such as
>>> autocomplete.js if I happen to be typing in the To: field, but
>>> occasionally it's a script on a webpage I'm visiting. Here's an example:
>>>
>>> 
>>> Warning: Unresponsive script
>>>
>>> A script on this page may be busy, or it may have stopped responding.
>>> You can stop the script now, or you can continue to see if the script
>>> will complete.
>>>
>>> [Continue] [Stop script]
>>>
>>> chrome://global/content/bindings/tree.xml:953
>>>
>>> [ ] Don't ask me again.
>>> 
>>>
>>> I click "Continue" unless I'm really desperate because as a user I have
>>> no way of knowing the consequences of stopping the script. I don't know
>>> what it's doing or how far it's gotten. But that's not my question.
>>>
>>> My question is about the scope of the option at bottom. If I check the
>>> box, am I saying...
>>>
>>> a) quit prompting me about all unresponsive scripts anywhere for the
>>> life of my computer?
>>>
>>> b) quit prompting me about scripts being slow during this session, but
>>> resume prompting after I restart SeaMonkey?
>>>
>>> c) quit prompting me about scripts on this webpage, but keep prompting
>>> me otherwise?
>>>
>>> d) quit prompting me about this particular script on this particular
>>> page, but keep prompting me otherwise?
>>>
>>> e) something else I haven't thought of?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>
>> <http://kb.mozillazine.org/Script_busy_or_stopped_responding >
> 
> Inchsting 'n' all, but doesn't answer my question.
> 
> If I say "Don't ask me again," what's that mean?
> 
> I thought I was pretty clear.
> 

Sorry. I now see what you are asking & don't know the answer.

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SeaMonkey 2.5b3

[NoOp]

Just received an update on my linux 64bit system that 2.5b3 is
available. Interesting:

1. On my 32bit linux system (both are 2.5b2) the rss notice doesn't
appear even though I've 'Check Messages' multiple times.
2. On both systems 'Help|Check for Updates' shows no update even though
both are showing in 'about:config'
app.update.channel;beta

So I check on Windows:
1. On system shows an update available to update to 2.5b2 (it's
obviously at 2.5b1). It's also at 'app.update.channel;beta'. Upgrade
that one to 2.5b2 and restart. Again 'Help|Check for Updates' shows no
update.
2. Check on another WinXP machine: same results.

Questions:

1. Why does the rss feed properly get the notice on the linux 64bit but
not on this 32bit?
2. Why doesn't 'Help|Check for Updates' work from 2.5b2 to 2.5b3, yet
does work from 2.5b1 to 2.5b2?

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.5b3

[NoOp]

On 10/14/2011 05:39 PM, NoOp wrote:
> Just received an update on my linux 64bit system that 2.5b3 is
> available. Interesting:
> 
> 1. On my 32bit linux system (both are 2.5b2) the rss notice doesn't
> appear even though I've 'Check Messages' multiple times.
> 2. On both systems 'Help|Check for Updates' shows no update even though
> both are showing in 'about:config'
> app.update.channel;beta
> 
> So I check on Windows:
> 1. On system shows an update available to update to 2.5b2 (it's
> obviously at 2.5b1). It's also at 'app.update.channel;beta'. Upgrade
> that one to 2.5b2 and restart. Again 'Help|Check for Updates' shows no
> update.
> 2. Check on another WinXP machine: same results.
> 
> Questions:
> 
> 1. Why does the rss feed properly get the notice on the linux 64bit but
> not on this 32bit?

Now showing up. Odd - both systems are on the same IP etc.

SeaMonkey 2.5 Beta 3 is now available for free download
<http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/2.5b3> on the SeaMonkey
website. We encourage testers to get involved
<http://www.seamonkey-project.org/dev/get-involved> in discussing and
reporting problems as well as further improving the product.

> 2. Why doesn't 'Help|Check for Updates' work from 2.5b2 to 2.5b3, yet
> does work from 2.5b1 to 2.5b2?
> 

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.5b3

[NoOp]

On 10/15/2011 05:47 AM, Robert Kaiser wrote:
> Justin Wood (Callek) schrieb:
>> Short answer, Robert Kaiser created the linux64 updates manually ahead
>> of time for me.
> 
> I didn't. No update snippets for linux64 2.5 betas (2.4 and lower betas 
> have snippets to go to 2.4.1 at least, though).
> 
> Robert Kaiser
> 
> 

Either way, the 32bit (linux) was able to update this morning. Thanks guys.

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Re: any way ...

[NoOp]

On 10/15/2011 06:02 PM, gertjan.vinkeste...@gmail.com wrote:
...
>> lj
> s//he is on Linux
> 

Are you simply trolling, or do you have something constructive to add to
this group?

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Re: What explains this?

[NoOp]

On 10/15/2011 06:23 PM, gertjan.vinkeste...@gmail.com wrote:
> Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote:
...
>> But the posting you are following up to concerned another matter.
>> One relating to a mail bounce that I received referring to to my
>> "Tab or Page" posting.
>> I hope that you realized that.
> yes ftpd installes
> 

That pretty much sums it up for me. gertjan.vinkeste...@gmail.com is
trolling, so off to the filters he/she will go.

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Re: What explains this?

[NoOp]

On 10/16/2011 02:43 AM, Daniel wrote:
> NoOp wrote:
>> On 10/15/2011 06:23 PM, gertjan.vinkeste...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote:
>> ...
>>>> But the posting you are following up to concerned another matter.
>>>> One relating to a mail bounce that I received referring to to my
>>>> "Tab or Page" posting.
>>>> I hope that you realized that.
>>> yes ftpd installes
>>>
>>
>> That pretty much sums it up for me. gertjan.vinkeste...@gmail.com is
>> trolling, so off to the filters he/she will go.
>>
> 
> By way of explanation, NoOp, I don't think gertjan is deliberately 
> trolling...If memory serves me right, he suffers a chemical imbalance, 
> and if he does not take his medswell, this is what we get!
> 

Got it. Thanks for the heads up.

Gary

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Re: Plug In Container?

[NoOp]

On 10/17/2011 05:12 PM, Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:
> Michael Gordon wrote:
>> Justin,
>>
>> Is it possible the Plug-in Container is trying to check for plug-in
>> updates?
>>
>> Michael Gordon
> 
> Depending on how the plugin itself is coded, *possible* yes. I'm not 
> sure though as I don't know too many details of how plugins internally work.
> 

There are issues with plugin-container:
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Plugin-container_and_out-of-process_plugins

http://support.mozilla.com/en-US/questions/704242#answer-12545
Many pages...

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Re: Plug In Container?

[NoOp]

On 10/17/2011 05:52 PM, W3BNR wrote:
> On 10/17/2011 8:29 PM NoOp submitted the following:
>> On 10/17/2011 05:12 PM, Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:
>>> Michael Gordon wrote:
>>>> Justin,
>>>>
>>>> Is it possible the Plug-in Container is trying to check for plug-in
>>>> updates?
>>>>
>>>> Michael Gordon
>>>
>>> Depending on how the plugin itself is coded, *possible* yes. I'm not
>>> sure though as I don't know too many details of how plugins internally work.
>>>
>>
>> There are issues with plugin-container:
>> http://kb.mozillazine.org/Plugin-container_and_out-of-process_plugins
>>
>> http://support.mozilla.com/en-US/questions/704242#answer-12545
>> Many pages...
>>
> 
> Videos at http://pmg.pegcentral.com/ will not play unless Plug-in Container 
> is 
> allowed.
> 

I find that odd. I disabled
dom.ipc.plugins.enabled
dom.ipc.plugins.enabled;false
and it works for me.



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Re: SeaMonkey version/release number related to thunderbird 11

[NoOp]

On 10/18/2011 12:54 PM, Ray_Net wrote:
> Someone can tell us what will be the SeaMonkey version/release number 
> corresponding with  thunderbird 11 ?

You might want to bookmark this:
https://wiki.mozilla.org/Releases

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Re: No Accept-Charset in current betas

[NoOp]

On 10/19/2011 01:45 PM, Jochen Roderburg wrote:
> On 2011-10-19, Jens Hatlak  wrote:
>> Jochen Roderburg wrote:
>>> The current beta versions of our Mozilla applications (Firefox 8 / Seamonkey
>>> 2.5) do not send the HTTP Accept-Charset header any longer.
>>> This confuses e.g. our Webmail system (Horde/IMP) which uses this header (if
>>> available) to determine if the browser can handle UTF-8.
>>>
>>> Does anybody know if there is a rationale behind this change
>>> or is this perhaps "just a plain bug"?
>>
>> AFAICS it was removed because it allows fingerprinting, and is not 
>> supported by IE (or all other browsers?). Please note that I did nothing 
>> more than read the initial comment of the following bug; please have a 
>> read yourself for more information. Please also note that this was a 
>> platform change, i.e. nothing was changed for SM in particular but all 
>> Gecko-based applications.
>>
>>
>>
> 
> Thanks for the pointer, I'll have a look at it.
> 
> Strange, that I didn't find this by searching for Accept-Charset in
> Bugzilla.
> 
> J.Roderburg

Interesting results from different browsers (linux):
http://www.delorie.com:81/some/url.txt

SeaMonkey:
GET /some/url.txt HTTP/1.1
Host: www.delorie.com:81
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111012
Firefox/8.0 SeaMonkey/2.5 Lightning/1.0b8pre
Accept: text/html,application/xhtml+xml,application/xml;q=0.9,*/*;q=0.8
Accept-Language: en-us,en;q=0.5
Accept-Encoding: gzip, deflate
DNT: 1
Connection: keep-alive

Chromium:
GET /some/url.txt HTTP/1.1
Host: www.delorie.com:81
Connection: keep-alive
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686) AppleWebKit/535.1 (KHTML, like
Gecko) Ubuntu/10.10 Chromium/14.0.835.202 Chrome/14.0.835.202 Safari/535.1
Accept: text/html,application/xhtml+xml,application/xml;q=0.9,*/*;q=0.8
Accept-Encoding: gzip,deflate,sdch
Accept-Language: en-US,en;q=0.8
Accept-Charset: ISO-8859-1,utf-8;q=0.7,*;q=0.3

Google Chrome:
GET /some/url.txt HTTP/1.1
Host: www.delorie.com:81
Connection: keep-alive
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686) AppleWebKit/535.1 (KHTML, like
Gecko) Chrome/14.0.835.202 Safari/535.1
Accept: text/html,application/xhtml+xml,application/xml;q=0.9,*/*;q=0.8
Accept-Encoding: gzip,deflate,sdch
Accept-Language: en-US,en;q=0.8
Accept-Charset: UTF-8,*;q=0.5

Opera:
GET /some/url.txt HTTP/1.1
User-Agent: Opera/9.80 (X11; Linux i686; U; en) Presto/2.9.168 Version/11.52
Host: www.delorie.com:81
Accept: text/html, application/xml;q=0.9, application/xhtml+xml,
image/png, image/webp, image/jpeg, image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, */*;q=0.1
Accept-Language: en-US,en;q=0.9
Accept-Encoding: gzip, deflate
Connection: Keep-Alive

Firefox:
GET /some/url.txt HTTP/1.1
Host: www.delorie.com:81
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20100101
Firefox/7.0.1
Accept: text/html,application/xhtml+xml,application/xml;q=0.9,*/*;q=0.8
Accept-Language: en-us,en;q=0.5
Accept-Encoding: gzip, deflate
Accept-Charset: ISO-8859-1,utf-8;q=0.7,*;q=0.7
Connection: keep-alive

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Re: Seamonkey NewsGroup Support

[NoOp]

On 10/19/2011 04:22 PM, BeeJ wrote:
> Before I waste my time with SeaMonkey, has anyone set up multiple 
> NewsGroups on SeaMonkey?
> Does it all play correctly?
> 
> I tried with Thunderbird (latest download) on Win7Pro 64 and it mangled 
> everything newsgroup related.
> I loaded one newsgroup account and that seemed to play OK.
> Then I loaded a second different newsgroup account and everything fell 
> abore, newsgroupwise.
> Both newsgroups displayed as the same newsgroup name AND server.
> Going into accounts showed that too.
> Then I notice that every newslist item was duplicated in both accounts.
> And then it started asking if I wanted to download all the duplicates 
> and the "new" newsgroup.  Very strange.
> After it all settle down, I tried to look at a newslist item and it 
> started to ask about downloading it ALL again.  Yikes!
> I just quit it and am about to delete Thunderbird.
> Anyone else had similar experience?
> 
> 

Last I checked I've 5 news different server accounts & about 80
newsgroups amongst those.  Works for me.

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Re: problems with some php web sites

[NoOp]

On 10/20/2011 11:16 AM, Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
> WLS wrote:
> 
>> I wasn't aware the PHP had text color, bold, etc functions(?). I always
>> thought that was HTML. But then again, it has been awhile since I played
>> around with PHP.
> 
> It doesn't. PHP can, of course, be made to output HTML, but that is a 
> server-side process.
> 
> Aside:  the aforementioned link to unix.com/programming tries to 
> redirect me:
> http://www.unix.com/advertisement.php ...
> Not very friendly.
> 

They require cookies. If you have cookies off you'll get the redirect loop.



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Re: No Accept-Charset in current betas

[NoOp]

On 10/19/2011 02:00 PM, NoOp wrote:
...
> Interesting results from different browsers (linux):
> http://www.delorie.com:81/some/url.txt
> 
> SeaMonkey:
> GET /some/url.txt HTTP/1.1
> Host: www.delorie.com:81
> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111012
> Firefox/8.0 SeaMonkey/2.5 Lightning/1.0b8pre
> Accept: text/html,application/xhtml+xml,application/xml;q=0.9,*/*;q=0.8
> Accept-Language: en-us,en;q=0.5
> Accept-Encoding: gzip, deflate
> DNT: 1
> Connection: keep-alive
> 
> Chromium:
> GET /some/url.txt HTTP/1.1
> Host: www.delorie.com:81
> Connection: keep-alive
> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686) AppleWebKit/535.1 (KHTML, like
> Gecko) Ubuntu/10.10 Chromium/14.0.835.202 Chrome/14.0.835.202 Safari/535.1
> Accept: text/html,application/xhtml+xml,application/xml;q=0.9,*/*;q=0.8
> Accept-Encoding: gzip,deflate,sdch
> Accept-Language: en-US,en;q=0.8
> Accept-Charset: ISO-8859-1,utf-8;q=0.7,*;q=0.3
> 
> Google Chrome:
> GET /some/url.txt HTTP/1.1
> Host: www.delorie.com:81
> Connection: keep-alive
> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686) AppleWebKit/535.1 (KHTML, like
> Gecko) Chrome/14.0.835.202 Safari/535.1
> Accept: text/html,application/xhtml+xml,application/xml;q=0.9,*/*;q=0.8
> Accept-Encoding: gzip,deflate,sdch
> Accept-Language: en-US,en;q=0.8
> Accept-Charset: UTF-8,*;q=0.5
> 
> Opera:
> GET /some/url.txt HTTP/1.1
> User-Agent: Opera/9.80 (X11; Linux i686; U; en) Presto/2.9.168 Version/11.52
> Host: www.delorie.com:81
> Accept: text/html, application/xml;q=0.9, application/xhtml+xml,
> image/png, image/webp, image/jpeg, image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, */*;q=0.1
> Accept-Language: en-US,en;q=0.9
> Accept-Encoding: gzip, deflate
> Connection: Keep-Alive
> 
> Firefox:
> GET /some/url.txt HTTP/1.1
> Host: www.delorie.com:81
> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20100101
> Firefox/7.0.1
> Accept: text/html,application/xhtml+xml,application/xml;q=0.9,*/*;q=0.8
> Accept-Language: en-us,en;q=0.5
> Accept-Encoding: gzip, deflate
> Accept-Charset: ISO-8859-1,utf-8;q=0.7,*;q=0.7
> Connection: keep-alive
> 

IE8:
GET /some/url.txt HTTP/1.1
Accept: image/gif, image/jpeg, image/pjpeg, image/pjpeg,
application/vnd.ms-excel, application/vnd.ms-powerpoint,
application/msword, application/x-shockwave-flash,
application/x-silverlight, application/x-ms-application,
application/x-ms-xbap, application/vnd.ms-xpsdocument,
application/xaml+xml, */*
Accept-Language: en-us
User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 5.1;
Trident/4.0; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; .NET CLR
3.0.4506.2152; .NET CLR 3.5.30729)
Accept-Encoding: gzip, deflate
Host: www.delorie.com:81
Connection: Keep-Alive

[Sorry for going OT]
I wondered why the:
User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0
part in that string.

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms537503%28v=vs.85%29.aspx
"Application name and version. For historical reasons, Internet Explorer
identifies itself as a Mozilla browser."

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla#Part_of_the_.22user_agent_string.22_of_many_browsers>

Because the Netscape browser initially implemented many features not
available in other browsers and quickly came to dominate the market, a
number of web sites were designed to work, or work fully, only when they
detected an appropriate version of Mozilla in the user agent string.
Thus, competing browsers began to emulate ("cloak" or "spoof") this
string in order to also work with those sites. The earliest example of
this is Internet Explorer's use of a user agent string beginning
"Mozilla/ (compatible; MSIE ...", in order to receive
content intended for Netscape, its main rival at the time of its
development. This format of user agent string has since been copied by
other user agents, and persisted even after Internet Explorer came to
dominate the browser market.


Amazing... yet we have to spoof as 'Firefox' these days:
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111012
Firefox/8.0 SeaMonkey/2.5



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Re: problems with some php web sites

[NoOp]

On 10/20/2011 06:38 PM, LMH wrote:
> I accept session cookies from this site, which is a very reputable 
> programming forum, possibly the top rated. Of course, I am going to log 
> in, so a session cookie is anticipated. They have a short advertisement 
> page that you are sent when you first go to the site. A banner ad from a 
> supporter is displayed. After a few seconds you are re-directed to the 
> main page. I find this annoying, but I guess someone needs to pay for 
> the site. All in all I prefer that to third party tracking cookies.
> 
> You can still access the site if you reject cookies. Everyone gets the 
> banner advertisement page whether or not you allow cookies. You don't go 
> to the banner if you are logged in. If you do allow session cookies, you 
> can skip the ad banner by clicking on the redirect link instead of 
> waiting for the clock to run down.

Sorry, but that's not correct.
Earlier today all I got was:
http://www.unix.com/advertisement.php?url=http://www.unix.com/forumdisplay.php?f=16

I may eventually get to:
http://www.unix.com/programming/
without cookies, but if I click on:

I get:

and it just keeps on looping for about 10 iterations and then finally
ends up on the forum post. (Earlier today it wouldn't even do that -
maybe they finally changed their advertisement link).

Either way I'd have to agree with Beauregard... it's an issue. But hey,
I realise some sites require cookies & turn them on for those particular
sites. I'm just telling you that the problem with the loop (at least
earlier today) is cookie related. Once I turned on cookies the
site/forum worked ok for viewing.


Please bottom post on this group.
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Re: How to do away with Welcome to SeaMonkey Mail and Newgroups

[NoOp]

On 10/21/2011 12:26 PM, W3BNR wrote:
> On 10/21/2011 8:22 AM Beauregard T. Shagnasty submitted the following:
>> W3BNR wrote:
>>> On 10/21/2011 5:28 AM LESSIE19Shelton SPAMMED the following:
>> [SNIPPED]
>>
>>> Go to EDIT / PREFERENCES / MAIL & NEWSGROUPS /
>>> and UNCHECK the block for 'MAIL START PAGE'
>>
>> Why are you replying to the spammer? And quoting it?
>>
> Quoting is proper otherwise people like you would lose track of the 
> conversation.  And why are you questioning my motives?
> 

Point is that you should/could have left off the spammers url that
he/she wants you to visit.

Filters for: news.mozilla.org

Applied filter "UserIpAddress: 91.212.226.143" to message from
MitchellCLAIRE28  - I wanted to verify something
at 10/20/2011 04:00:16 AM thread killed

Applied filter "UserIpAddress: 91.212.226.143" to message from
MitchellCLAIRE28  - I wanted to verify something
at 10/20/2011 04:00:16 AM deleted

Applied filter "UserIpAddress: 91.212.226.143" to message from
BushLora21  - Digital support for SM at 10/20/2011
05:38:13 AM thread killed

Applied filter "UserIpAddress: 91.212.226.143" to message from
BushLora21  - Digital support for SM at 10/20/2011
05:38:13 AM deleted

Match all of the following:
UserIpAddress: 91.212.226.91.212.226.
Works.

http://www.spamhaus.org/sbl/sbl.lasso?query=SBL106139


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Re: How to do away with Welcome to SeaMonkey Mail and Newgroups

[NoOp]

On 10/21/2011 03:56 PM, NoOp wrote:
...
> Match all of the following:
> UserIpAddress: 91.212.226.91.212.226.
> Works.

Should be:
Match all of the following:
UserIpAddress: 91.212.226.
Works.

> 
> http://www.spamhaus.org/sbl/sbl.lasso?query=SBL106139
> 
> 

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Re: SeaMonkey Chat start annoyances

[NoOp]

On 10/23/2011 11:11 PM, Otto Wyss wrote:
> WLS wrote:
>> Hey, did you know ChatZilla is available as an extension for Firefox?
>>
>> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/chatzilla/
>>
> So far I prefer SeaMonkey over FF/TB but lately SeaMokey flickers horrible 
> when 
> accessing a webpage the first time. If I ever switch I'll most probably 
> switch 
> to Chrome/Outlook instead of FF/TB.

This is fixed in SeaMonkey 2.5:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=664088
[Display flickers when loading/scrolling/mousing the page until focus is
changed.]

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Re: SeaMonkey flickers horrible when first accessing a page

[NoOp]

On 10/25/2011 03:43 AM, Daniel wrote:
> David E. Ross wrote:
>> On 10/24/11 9:59 AM, Sandy wrote:
>>> Otto Wyss wrote:
 This has been mentioned several times yet no progress is visble at all.
 No question SeaMonkey is loosing users because of this, lots of users.
 Why isn't anyone working on this?
>>>
>>> I do not understand this.  SM works faultlessly for me and I have
>>> limited computer ability and also for SWAMBO who has none.
>>
>> Maximize your SeaMoneky window on your monitor.  On your menu bar,
>> select [Tools>  Data Manager].  Without switching tabs or changing the
>> window size, move your cursor over the Data Manager display.  You should
>> see flickers as the cursor crosses the edges of panes in the tab and as
>> it goes over domains in the Domain pane on the left side.  (Actually,
>> you should not see flickers but will, which is the point of bug #662871.)
>>
> 
> WFM!!or should I type "Doesn't not work for me!!", i.e. I opened a 
> new tab (just in case that matters), and opened the Data Manager in that 
> tab, moved the mouse around the screen, and the only thing I noticed 
> was, as I moved the mouse from the "Domain" section to the "Form Data" 
> part of the screen, the mouse icon flicked from it's normal single 
> arrowhead to a double arrowhead (to drag the divider).
> 
> Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686 on x86_64; rv:7.0.1) 
> Gecko/20110928 Firefox/7.0.1 SeaMonkey/2.4.1
> 

As far as I can tell, it's a Windows build issue. See my comments in:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=664088
Just scrolling up and down that bug report with 2.4.1 on WinXP created
screen flicker. No flicker with 2.5.x. And no clicker in any version
with linux.


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Re: SeaMonkey flickers horrible when first accessing a page

[NoOp]

On 10/25/2011 04:20 PM, MCBastos wrote:
> Interviewed by CNN on 25/10/2011 14:34, NoOp told the world:
> 
>> As far as I can tell, it's a Windows build issue. See my comments in:
>> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=664088
>> Just scrolling up and down that bug report with 2.4.1 on WinXP created
>> screen flicker. No flicker with 2.5.x. And no clicker in any version
>> with linux.
> 
> I wonder if that's related to video acceleration (OpenGL/DirectX) and/or
> outdated video drivers?
> 
> I don't remember how to disable video acceleration, however. As a test,
> it would be useful. But perhaps updating the video driver can help.
> 

Perhaps. But if you read 664088 you'll see that those WinXP's are
running in VMWare as virtual machines. Simply changing to 2.5.x resolved
the issue for me.
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Re: SeaMonkey flickers horrible when first accessing a page

[NoOp]

Daniel wrote:

Daniel wrote:

NoOp wrote:

On 10/25/2011 03:43 AM, Daniel wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 10/24/11 9:59 AM, Sandy wrote:

Otto Wyss wrote:

This has been mentioned several times yet no progress is
visble at all. No question SeaMonkey is loosing users
because of this, lots of users. Why isn't anyone working
on this?


I do not understand this. SM works faultlessly for me and I
have limited computer ability and also for SWAMBO who has
none.


Maximize your SeaMoneky window on your monitor. On your menu
bar, select [Tools> Data Manager]. Without switching tabs or
changing the window size, move your cursor over the Data
Manager display. You should see flickers as the cursor
crosses the edges of panes in the tab and as it goes over
domains in the Domain pane on the left side. (Actually, you
should not see flickers but will, which is the point of bug
#662871.)



WFM!!or should I type "Doesn't not work for me!!", i.e. I
opened a new tab (just in case that matters), and opened the
Data Manager in that tab, moved the mouse around the screen,
and the only thing I noticed was, as I moved the mouse from the
"Domain" section to the "Form Data" part of the screen, the
mouse icon flicked from it's normal single arrowhead to a
double arrowhead (to drag the divider).

Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686 on x86_64;
rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20110928 Firefox/7.0.1 SeaMonkey/2.4.1



As far as I can tell, it's a Windows build issue. See my comments
in: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=664088 Just
scrolling up and down that bug report with 2.4.1 on WinXP
created screen flicker. No flicker with 2.5.x. And no clicker in
any version with linux.




O.K., tonight I'm using my Win7. The Data Manager is still solid,
but I do see the flickering on the bugzilla page.

Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:7.0.1)
Gecko/20110928 Firefox/7.0.1 SeaMonkey/2.4.1

If I remember, tomorrow night I'll check the bugzilla page on
Linux.



After making the above post, I went back to the bugzilla tab and
clicked on the bottom of the scroll bar (the down arrow bit), and it
scrolled fine, so I grabbed the scroll bar and moved it up and
downno problem.

So I had the problem, but now I don't



Just fired up an older WinXP install. It previously had SeaMonkey 2.1 on 
it. Downloaded and installed 2.4.1. Flicker immediately apparent simply 
by scrolling up & down:


http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/plugincheck/
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=664088

Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20110928 
Firefox/7.0.1 SeaMonkey/2.4.1


Graphics adaptor with updated drivers:
NVIDIA Quadro4 900 XGL

I'll now install 2.5.3 & check the difference.

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Re: SeaMonkey flickers horrible when first accessing a page

[NoOp]

NoOp wrote:

Daniel wrote:

Daniel wrote:

NoOp wrote:

On 10/25/2011 03:43 AM, Daniel wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 10/24/11 9:59 AM, Sandy wrote:

Otto Wyss wrote:

This has been mentioned several times yet no progress is
visble at all. No question SeaMonkey is loosing users
because of this, lots of users. Why isn't anyone working
on this?


I do not understand this. SM works faultlessly for me and I
have limited computer ability and also for SWAMBO who has
none.


Maximize your SeaMoneky window on your monitor. On your menu
bar, select [Tools> Data Manager]. Without switching tabs or
changing the window size, move your cursor over the Data
Manager display. You should see flickers as the cursor
crosses the edges of panes in the tab and as it goes over
domains in the Domain pane on the left side. (Actually, you
should not see flickers but will, which is the point of bug
#662871.)



WFM!!or should I type "Doesn't not work for me!!", i.e. I
opened a new tab (just in case that matters), and opened the
Data Manager in that tab, moved the mouse around the screen,
and the only thing I noticed was, as I moved the mouse from the
"Domain" section to the "Form Data" part of the screen, the
mouse icon flicked from it's normal single arrowhead to a
double arrowhead (to drag the divider).

Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686 on x86_64;
rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20110928 Firefox/7.0.1 SeaMonkey/2.4.1



As far as I can tell, it's a Windows build issue. See my comments
in: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=664088 Just
scrolling up and down that bug report with 2.4.1 on WinXP
created screen flicker. No flicker with 2.5.x. And no clicker in
any version with linux.




O.K., tonight I'm using my Win7. The Data Manager is still solid,
but I do see the flickering on the bugzilla page.

Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:7.0.1)
Gecko/20110928 Firefox/7.0.1 SeaMonkey/2.4.1

If I remember, tomorrow night I'll check the bugzilla page on
Linux.



After making the above post, I went back to the bugzilla tab and
clicked on the bottom of the scroll bar (the down arrow bit), and it
scrolled fine, so I grabbed the scroll bar and moved it up and
downno problem.

So I had the problem, but now I don't



Just fired up an older WinXP install. It previously had SeaMonkey 2.1 on
it. Downloaded and installed 2.4.1. Flicker immediately apparent simply
by scrolling up & down:

http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/plugincheck/
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=664088

Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20110928
Firefox/7.0.1 SeaMonkey/2.4.1

Graphics adaptor with updated drivers:
NVIDIA Quadro4 900 XGL

I'll now install 2.5.3 & check the difference.



Now on 2.5.3:
Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111012 
Firefox/8.0 SeaMonkey/2.5

Screen flicker is completely gone.


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Re: SeaMonkey flickers horrible when first accessing a page

[NoOp]

WLS wrote:

NoOp wrote:

...


I'll now install 2.5.3 & check the difference.



There is a 2.5.3, or do you mean 2.5b3?




Ummm 2.5b3:
Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111012 
Firefox/8.0 SeaMonkey/2.5


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Re: SeaMonkey flickers horrible when first accessing a page

[NoOp]

Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote:



WLS wrote:

<76 lines of regurgitated context, followed by>


There is a 2.5.3, or do you mean 2.5b3?


Is it really, Really, REALLY necessary to recirculate 76 lines
of previously circulated correspondence, nested to a depth of
eight levels, simply in order to adduce this one simple fact ?

...
Well... I usually snip/trim according to:
http://www.mozilla.org/about/forums/etiquette.html
But in the past I've gotten into some pretty nasty "discussions" with 
the powers to be here (read that as the list mom) over me requesting 
others trim etc. (Archives).

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Re: Lies etiquette (was : SeaMonkey flickers horrible when first accessing a page)

[NoOp]

On 10/26/2011 11:05 AM, Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote:
> 
> 
> NoOp wrote:
> 
>> Well... I usually snip/trim according to:
>> http://www.mozilla.org/about/forums/etiquette.html
>> But in the past I've gotten into some pretty nasty "discussions"
>> with the powers to be here (read that as the list mom) over me
>> requesting others trim etc. (Archives).
> 
> Hard to imagine how any list mother familiar with the
> document you cite could have failed to read and
> understand
> 
>> Do not quote the entire content of the message to which you are replying.
> 
> so I will await my rebuke with interest :-)
> Philip Taylor

Please don't send me direct email, or cc me on your replies - unless of
course you purposely intend to take this discussion off group/list. I
read the newsgroup just fine & don't need additional copies. Thanks.

Not sure of your meaning "Lies etiquette"... but I'll let that one be.


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Re: Lies etiquette (was : SeaMonkey flickers horrible when first accessing a page)

[NoOp]

On 10/26/2011 11:45 AM, Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote:
> 
> 
> Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote:
> 
>> Since I /did/ send it to you ("you" being "NoOp", despite this
>> reply being sent to the list), and did /not/ send it to the list,
>> it would seem reasonable for you to infer that I /did/ intend to take
>> the discussion off list.
> 
> Apologies, on checking my sent items, I see that
> I did indeed send it to the list as well.  This
> was unintended.
> 
> Philip Taylor

No worries. It hasn't been the best day for me either... it's not often
I boot into a full Windows partition & now I'll end up spending the rest
of the day updating it :-(


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[spam] Re: Newbee Question

[NoOp]

On 10/26/2011 02:25 PM, HammondRosa22 wrote:
spam
http://www.projecthoneypot.org/ip_91.212.226.143
Blocking/filtering 91.212.226. on news.mozilla.org will help clear this up.
Do we get giganews to do this, or can a moderator do it?

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