Re: [Sursound] Leyfðu Ljósinu by Hildur Guðnadóttir UHJ-encoded?
I will ask the Hildur ... R Sendt fra min iPad > Den 15/05/2016 kl. 08.22 skrev Martin Leese : > > Hi, > > There is a CD on eBay which is not in the UHJ Discography. However, > the details state: > > Leyfðu Ljósinu (Icelandic for "Allow the light"), was recorded live at > the Music Research Centre, University of York, in January [2012?] by > Tony Myatt, using a SoundField ST450 Ambisonic microphone and two > Neumann U87 microphones. > As to be faithful to time and space - elements vital to the movement > of sound - this album was recorded entirely live, with no > post-tampering of the recording's sense of occasion. > > ℗ & © 2012 Touch > Published by Touch Music [MCPS] > > Anybody know if this CD is UHJ-encoded? > > Many thanks, > Martin > -- > Martin J Leese > E-mail: martin.leese stanfordalumni.org > Web: http://members.tripod.com/martin_leese/ > ___ > Sursound mailing list > Sursound@music.vt.edu > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit > account or options, view archives and so on. ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
Re: [Sursound] Leyfðu Ljósinu by Hildur Guðnadóttir UHJ-encoded?
Excellent, 'cos even tho' I was there at the time, I can't actually remember what Tony did! :-( Dave On 15 May 2016 at 08:24, Runar Magnusson wrote: > I will ask the Hildur ... > R > > Sendt fra min iPad > > > Den 15/05/2016 kl. 08.22 skrev Martin Leese < > martin.le...@stanfordalumni.org>: > > > > Hi, > > > > There is a CD on eBay which is not in the UHJ Discography. However, > > the details state: > > > > Leyfðu Ljósinu (Icelandic for "Allow the light"), was recorded live at > > the Music Research Centre, University of York, in January [2012?] by > > Tony Myatt, using a SoundField ST450 Ambisonic microphone and two > > Neumann U87 microphones. > > As to be faithful to time and space - elements vital to the movement > > of sound - this album was recorded entirely live, with no > > post-tampering of the recording's sense of occasion. > > > > ℗ & © 2012 Touch > > Published by Touch Music [MCPS] > > > > Anybody know if this CD is UHJ-encoded? > > > > Many thanks, > > Martin > > -- > > Martin J Leese > > E-mail: martin.leese stanfordalumni.org > > Web: http://members.tripod.com/martin_leese/ > > ___ > > Sursound mailing list > > Sursound@music.vt.edu > > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, > edit account or options, view archives and so on. > ___ > Sursound mailing list > Sursound@music.vt.edu > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, > edit account or options, view archives and so on. > -- As of 1st October 2012, I have retired from the University. These are my own views and may or may not be shared by the University Dave Malham Honorary Fellow, Department of Music The University of York York YO10 5DD UK 'Ambisonics - Component Imaging for Audio' -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20160515/a2370da7/attachment.html> ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
Re: [Sursound] Small multichannel speakers setup
One word of warning for those using small, active speakers - if these have overload protection (especially if just on the woofers) this can cause really annoying transient image distortion if this kicks in on just one or two speakers without you realising it. Took us several weeks to realise this was happening on a 16 speaker rig using Genelec 8010's - see the thread on this back in October, 2015. Dave On 14 May 2016 at 08:55, søren Bendixen wrote: > A few years back I searched for new monitors - found PSI audio - and now > I´m an ambassador of the brand. But no salesspeech - I bought the A17 - m > for studio use but they also have the A14 - m for smaller needs. > The A17 - m is the best, most neutral monitor I ever had (used to ADAM - > all kinds from A5 to s3A, and genelec (the smaller ones), Tannoy (in > exhibition - the new ones...), JBl (the old ones..), B&W, Yamaha, > Digidesign RM2 > > It is expensive, at least in Denmark (my country), but just excellent. Not > waterproof though.. > http://www.psiaudio.com/en/ > > regards > Søren Bendixen > > 2016-05-12 21:19 GMT+02:00 Emanuele Costantini : > > > Hello everyone, > > > > due to the lack of space in modern houses, I am in need to look for small > > speakers to get on with my multichannel projects, here at home and > ideally > > to bring them with me in small spaces to playback my works. > > For my stereo projects I have been using Bose ComputerMonitor: > > > > > > > https://www.bose.co.uk/GB/en/home-and-personal-audio/speakers/stereo/computer-musicmonitor/ > > > > and I have been able to deliver final mixes matching bigger systems, or > > needing small adjustments. Ideally I would like to expand that system > but I > > find annoying they use specific connectors and they work in couple, so > > connecting it from my RME ADI8 it would be a bit of a trick to do also > > because I will need an odd number of those (5 or 7 ?) > > I've been scouting on the internet and I've seen few options. > > I am intrigued by the JBL LSR305 > > > > > > > http://www.jblpro.com/www/products/recording-broadcast/3-series/lsr305#.VzTQ5mbtZE4 > > > > being that brand the standard for cinema sound and that industry being my > > main income, I quite like to get that way, but despite being quite small > > they are still a bit big and heavy, unfortunately. > > I found the Fostex PM03.d and PM 04.d > > > > > > > http://www.fostexinternational.com/docs/products/PM0.4d.shtml#content-3-tab-tab > > > > Which are smaller and lighter, but the specifics are not that great, the > > 04.d are better though. > > Adam F5: > > > > http://www.adam-audio.com/en/pro-audio/products/f5/technical-data > > > > They look like the best of the range. Obviously to deliver those > > characteristics they have to be heavy, a bit too much and not that small. > > A friend of mine has a stereo system of MAudio AV42: > > > > http://www.m-audio.com/products/view/av42#.VzSSzWbtZE4 > > > > Which doesn't sound bad at all even if they are working in couple they > > have more standard connections, so I could do my own extensions. > > In that case I've been looking at the bigger brothers MAudio BX5 D2, > > slighlty bigger and heavier: > > > > http://www.m-audio.com/products/view/bx5-d2#.VzSUrWbtZE4 > > > > I am wondering if anyone has an hint to suggest or other brands/model to > > consider or was surpises by the sound of smaller systems, Bose docet, > > like... ehm logitech? ;-) > > :-) > > > > Thanks a lot in advance for your suggestions. > > > > Emanuele > > > > > > ___ > > Sursound mailing list > > Sursound@music.vt.edu > > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, > > edit account or options, view archives and so on. > > > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20160514/f8bdef87/attachment.html > > > ___ > Sursound mailing list > Sursound@music.vt.edu > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, > edit account or options, view archives and so on. > -- As of 1st October 2012, I have retired from the University. These are my own views and may or may not be shared by the University Dave Malham Honorary Fellow, Department of Music The University of York York YO10 5DD UK 'Ambisonics - Component Imaging for Audio' -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20160515/fa939c30/attachment.html> ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
Re: [Sursound] Small multichannel speakers setup
Probably the finest of the "point-source" speakers available these days is the KEF LS50. It uses a version of their Uni-Q driver. (A much earlier version of this driver was used in the KEF Egg.) Measurements of the LS50 by John Atkinson (Stereophile magazine) show it to be an outstanding design. http://www.stereophile.com/content/kef-ls50-anniversary-model-loudspeaker-measurements#8FdHrXV2vIpIFjE3.97 http://www.stereophile.com/content/tale-two-speakers#5Q3dlYfxU3cLRUup.97 It is quite small. A pair of them retails in the US for around $1300. Len Moskowitz (mosko...@core-sound.com) Core Sound LLC www.core-sound.com Home of TetraMic ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
Re: [Sursound] Small multichannel speakers setup
http://www.tonepublications.com/spotlight/world-premier-review-kef-x300a-powered-speakers/ This might be a powered alternative KEF version at lower cost :-) Connectivity is not great USB or 3.5 mm analog connection. Bo-Erik 2016-05-15 18:24 GMT+02:00 len moskowitz : > Probably the finest of the "point-source" speakers available these days is > the KEF LS50. It uses a version of their Uni-Q driver. (A much earlier > version of this driver was used in the KEF Egg.) > > > Measurements of the LS50 by John Atkinson (Stereophile magazine) show it > to be an outstanding design. > > > > http://www.stereophile.com/content/kef-ls50-anniversary-model-loudspeaker-measurements#8FdHrXV2vIpIFjE3.97 > > > > http://www.stereophile.com/content/tale-two-speakers#5Q3dlYfxU3cLRUup.97 > > > It is quite small. > > > A pair of them retails in the US for around $1300. > > > > Len Moskowitz (mosko...@core-sound.com) > Core Sound LLC > www.core-sound.com > Home of TetraMic > > ___ > Sursound mailing list > Sursound@music.vt.edu > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, > edit account or options, view archives and so on. > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20160515/fda01b5c/attachment.html> ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
Re: [Sursound] Leyfðu Ljósinu by Hildur Guðnadóttir UHJ-encoded?
Actually she doesn't know. What she says is that it is recorded 'with ambosonics' - probably she means that it is recorded with the soundfields. She says it's released in surround. I see know mention of the cd being multichannel but there is a USB version than can be ordered with different multichannel versions. http://touchshop.org/product_info.php?products_id=516 That's all I found. Runar Sendt fra min iPad > Den 15/05/2016 kl. 09.46 skrev Dave Malham : > > Excellent, 'cos even tho' I was there at the time, I can't actually > remember what Tony did! :-( > > Dave > > >> On 15 May 2016 at 08:24, Runar Magnusson wrote: >> >> I will ask the Hildur ... >> R >> >> Sendt fra min iPad >> >>>> Den 15/05/2016 kl. 08.22 skrev Martin Leese < >>> martin.le...@stanfordalumni.org>: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> There is a CD on eBay which is not in the UHJ Discography. However, >>> the details state: >>> >>> Leyfðu Ljósinu (Icelandic for "Allow the light"), was recorded live at >>> the Music Research Centre, University of York, in January [2012?] by >>> Tony Myatt, using a SoundField ST450 Ambisonic microphone and two >>> Neumann U87 microphones. >>> As to be faithful to time and space - elements vital to the movement >>> of sound - this album was recorded entirely live, with no >>> post-tampering of the recording's sense of occasion. >>> >>> ℗ & © 2012 Touch >>> Published by Touch Music [MCPS] >>> >>> Anybody know if this CD is UHJ-encoded? >>> >>> Many thanks, >>> Martin >>> -- >>> Martin J Leese >>> E-mail: martin.leese stanfordalumni.org >>> Web: http://members.tripod.com/martin_leese/ >>> ___ >>> Sursound mailing list >>> Sursound@music.vt.edu >>> https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, >> edit account or options, view archives and so on. >> ___ >> Sursound mailing list >> Sursound@music.vt.edu >> https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, >> edit account or options, view archives and so on. > > > > -- > > As of 1st October 2012, I have retired from the University. > > These are my own views and may or may not be shared by the University > > Dave Malham > Honorary Fellow, Department of Music > The University of York > York YO10 5DD > UK > > 'Ambisonics - Component Imaging for Audio' > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20160515/a2370da7/attachment.html> > ___ > Sursound mailing list > Sursound@music.vt.edu > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit > account or options, view archives and so on. ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
Re: [Sursound] Small multichannel speakers setup
Just joined. Hi everyone. Loving this! I am setting up cubic array. Have done so with Gallo Nucleas on light stands. Easy to mount but bit full frequency. Anybody have mounting suggestions for more size able powered speakers like the KEFs? JJ On Sunday, May 15, 2016, Bo-Erik Sandholm > wrote: > > http://www.tonepublications.com/spotlight/world-premier-review-kef-x300a-powered-speakers/ > > This might be a powered alternative KEF version at lower cost :-) > > Connectivity is not great USB or 3.5 mm analog connection. > > Bo-Erik > > 2016-05-15 18:24 GMT+02:00 len moskowitz : > > > Probably the finest of the "point-source" speakers available these days > is > > the KEF LS50. It uses a version of their Uni-Q driver. (A much earlier > > version of this driver was used in the KEF Egg.) > > > > > > Measurements of the LS50 by John Atkinson (Stereophile magazine) show it > > to be an outstanding design. > > > > > > > > > http://www.stereophile.com/content/kef-ls50-anniversary-model-loudspeaker-measurements#8FdHrXV2vIpIFjE3.97 > > > > > > > > http://www.stereophile.com/content/tale-two-speakers#5Q3dlYfxU3cLRUup.97 > > > > > > It is quite small. > > > > > > A pair of them retails in the US for around $1300. > > > > > > > > Len Moskowitz (mosko...@core-sound.com) > > Core Sound LLC > > www.core-sound.com > > Home of TetraMic > > > > ___ > > Sursound mailing list > > Sursound@music.vt.edu > > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, > > edit account or options, view archives and so on. > > > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20160515/fda01b5c/attachment.html > > > ___ > Sursound mailing list > Sursound@music.vt.edu > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, > edit account or options, view archives and so on. > -- web jjwiesler.com web pollenmusicgroup.com web decibellerecording.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20160515/417f3b97/attachment.html> ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
Re: [Sursound] Small multichannel speakers setup
On Sun, May 15, 2016 at 01:27 PM, Bo-Erik Sandholm wrote: http://www.tonepublications.com/spotlight/world-premier-review-kef-x300a-powered-speakers/ <http://www.tonepublications.com/spotlight/world-premier-review-kef-x300a-powered-speakers/> Good find! Add the X300As to a MOTU 16A and you've got a simple, good sounding, up to 16-channel playback system. Feed the MOTU via USB 2.0, Thunderbolt or Network. Run 1/4" TS from the MOTU to the X300A's 3.5 mm. www.motu.com/products/avb/16a I wonder if the MOTU's USB 2.0 can handle 16 channels? Its Thunderbolt interface probably can, and the Network certainly can. Len Moskowitz (mosko...@core-sound.com) Core Sound LLC www.core-sound.com Home of TetraMic <http://www.tonepublications.com/spotlight/world-premier-review-kef-x300a-powered-speakers/> This might be a powered alternative KEF version at lower cost :-) Connectivity is not great USB or 3.5 mm analog connection. Bo-Erik 2016-05-15 18:24 GMT+02:00 len moskowitz <mailto:lenmoskow...@optonline.net> >: Probably the finest of the "point-source" speakers available these days is the KEF LS50. It uses a version of their Uni-Q driver. (A much earlier version of this driver was used in the KEF Egg.) Measurements of the LS50 by John Atkinson (Stereophile magazine) show it to be an outstanding design. http://www.stereophile.com/content/kef-ls50-anniversary-model-loudspeaker-measurements#8FdHrXV2vIpIFjE3.97 <http://www.stereophile.com/content/kef-ls50-anniversary-model-loudspeaker-measurements#8FdHrXV2vIpIFjE3.97> http://www.stereophile.com/content/tale-two-speakers#5Q3dlYfxU3cLRUup.97 <http://www.stereophile.com/content/tale-two-speakers#5Q3dlYfxU3cLRUup.97> It is quite small. A pair of them retails in the US for around $1300. Len Moskowitz (mosko...@core-sound.com <mailto:mosko...@core-sound.com> ) Core Sound LLC www.core-sound.com <http://www.core-sound.com> Home of TetraMic ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu <mailto:Sursound@music.vt.edu> https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound> - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20160515/ff9db660/attachment.html> ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
Re: [Sursound] Envelopment
After request, Ralph Glasgal gave me permission to post some private mail on sursound. This is all highly interesting, IMO... --- Thanks for sending me this directly. ... The idea is to deliver to the ear what it would have heard in a concert hall. What I was discussing here is just the frontal direct sound plus the very very early reflections from the rear half circle. RACE in front removes the crosstalk and so allows the full value of time and level differences to reach the ears in front. But the pinna region is not fully accommodated with just two front central speakers. So I blur this frontal bias with a pinna signal from the rear and this allows the brain to localize to the far sides using the lower frequency cues. But this full range rear signal turns out to increase envelopment as well as frontal stage width. Yes, if you crosstalk cancel any signal you lower the IACC but we are not talking here about long time hall reverb or diffuse fields. If you turn off RACE in the rear the only thing that you are doing is making these new discrete rear vectors have low and indeed erroneous values of ITD and ILD and worse have the same static values for all frontal source positions. Again this rear sound has nothing to do with recorded hall ambience. I think it is fair to say that if you want realism you need to deliver to the ear what it hears in everyday real life. So using a pair of rear speakers this way is just one step to delivering a normal sound field to a listener in the home from standard recorded media. With six speakers you can have a full circle of sound in the horizontal plane, lots of envelopment, with the third pair delivering rear hall ambience with good IACC values if you crosstalk cancel it. For 2.0 files you can have surround hall ambience using speakers and a convolver to put the frontal enveloping direct sound field in a large concert hall and get height reflections if you are into that. Again this envelopment effect has nothing to do with any reflections included in the recording. These are likely much later than what is involved here. In a concert hall you have directional reflections coming from nearby seats and heads for each instrument in the orchestra and so the rear speakers mimic this effect. Ambiophonics also treats discrete recorded reflections as if they were additional direct sound sources and so delivers them to the ears with reasonable values of ILD and ITD as well as better pinna angles. I would not use the term decorrelation. This is just eliminating localization cue distortion caused by having speakers at 30 degrees or 110 in the case of 5.1. I hope this helps. Ralph -Original Message- From: Stefan Schreiber [mailto:st...@mail.telepac.pt] Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2016 1:47 PM To: Surround Sound discussion group Cc: glas...@ambiophonics.org Subject: Re: [Sursound] Envelopment Peter Lennox wrote: Hi Ralph! - long time since I saw you on this site - nice to hear from you. Just a suggestion: it seems to me that what you are doing is affecting inter aural cross-correlation (IACC) - and, as this is known to affect the perception of 'spaciousness' - and spaciousness is related to 'envelopment'. I wonder: have you come across the paper "Fixing the Phantom Center" by Earl Vickers? - he describes a method of using all-pass filters to control IACC, that can make imagery slightly less 'pinpoint-y' (and what exactly is a point source anyhow?) but more stable for off-centre listeners. Although this is a technique used for stereo, I've a hunch it actually does something related to what you're doing. Effectively, I think you are decorrelating the rear stereo feeds, and thus preventing image-perception to the rear, and bringing out the ambience information. I would have assumed the same. However, it is hard to see where any decorrelation is supposed to take place! For some time now, I have been using Ambiophonics and the RACE program to generate a sense of envelopment by using two speakers behind the listening position at an angle of about 20 degrees and only two meters or so away from the main listening family size area.. This rear speaker pair is fed a duplicate of the front pair and is just crosstalk cancelled using somewhat different parameters than used for the front 2.0 pair. Neither the level nor the delay of the rear pair is critical within reason which is a rather remarkable result. (cited from Ralph G.'s posting) X-talk cancellation (per se) doesn't seem to take out any directional information. There must be s.th. more interesting here... Is it that you bring out reverb but also some side/rear-side/rear reflections, which have been "mixed" into the front 2.0 pair? Maybe not in some < correct > way - but it is also not exactly correct to present these parts from the front. So you could speak of some improvement(s)? Another problem for this (admittedly c
