Re: [Sursound] Analogue 3D / surround sound panners?

2020-02-15 Thread Augustine Leudar
Good question. I also quite like Stockhausens solution of putting musicians
and noise generators on platforms that whirled round the auditorium. Not
practical for most of us though...

On Saturday, 15 February 2020, David McKevy  wrote:

> Yes for azimuth planner!
> Then again, did Varese use a panner for Corbusier Phillip's Pavillion?
>
> On Sat, Feb 15, 2020, 1:04 PM Fernando Lopez-Lezcano <
> na...@ccrma.stanford.edu> wrote:
>
>> On 2/15/20 5:15 AM, Augustine Leudar wrote:
>> > Hi Marc
>> > I mean completely analogue. I use things like the leap or wii for
>> digital.
>> > I mean if you didn't want to use any software at all.
>>
>> You need to get one of these:
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azimuth_Co-ordinator
>> :-)
>> -- Fernando
>>
>> https://www.neptunepinkfloyd.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=24035
>>
>>
>> > On Saturday, 15 February 2020, Marc Lavallée  wrote:
>> >
>> >> Le 20-02-15 à 07 h 36, Augustine Leudar a écrit :
>> >>
>> >>> What was/is around in terms of analogue physical 3D or horizontal only
>> >>> panners? I've seen the little joystick things on desks. Was wondering
>> >> what
>> >>> else?
>> >>
>> >> Do you mean panners using analog electronics and physical controls to
>> >> pan the sound through analog only electronics (without any computing
>> >> involved),
>> >>
>> >> or physical controllers as input devices for digital sound panners? For
>> >> interactive installations, I built/used/seen:
>> >>
>> >> - big trackballs (like those in vintage video games)
>> >>
>> >> - long levers (like giant joysticks)
>> >>
>> >> - cameras, presence detectors, touch screens...
>> >>
>> >> Basically, any controller can be used.
>> >>
>> >> Marc
>> >>
>> >>
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Re: [Sursound] Analogue 3D / surround sound panners?

2020-02-15 Thread Justin Bennett


I sent the last mail off too late. and forgot to change the subject line, 
sorry...

Also, of course Stockhausen's panners for the Osaka Pavilion

https://68.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_md5tgxLKE11rifgmco4_500.jpg

and I seem to remember an early photo of the GRM Acousmonion with 
some kind of 3d panner with inductance coils (or is that my imagination?)
If I find the links I will post them.

best, Justin


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> What was/is around in terms of analogue physical 3D or horizontal only
> panners? I've seen the little joystick things on desks. Was wondering what
> else?
> 
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Re: [Sursound] Analogue 3D / surround sound panners?

2020-02-15 Thread David McKevy
Yes for azimuth planner!
Then again, did Varese use a panner for Corbusier Phillip's Pavillion?

On Sat, Feb 15, 2020, 1:04 PM Fernando Lopez-Lezcano <
na...@ccrma.stanford.edu> wrote:

> On 2/15/20 5:15 AM, Augustine Leudar wrote:
> > Hi Marc
> > I mean completely analogue. I use things like the leap or wii for
> digital.
> > I mean if you didn't want to use any software at all.
>
> You need to get one of these:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azimuth_Co-ordinator
> :-)
> -- Fernando
>
> https://www.neptunepinkfloyd.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=24035
>
>
> > On Saturday, 15 February 2020, Marc Lavallée  wrote:
> >
> >> Le 20-02-15 à 07 h 36, Augustine Leudar a écrit :
> >>
> >>> What was/is around in terms of analogue physical 3D or horizontal only
> >>> panners? I've seen the little joystick things on desks. Was wondering
> >> what
> >>> else?
> >>
> >> Do you mean panners using analog electronics and physical controls to
> >> pan the sound through analog only electronics (without any computing
> >> involved),
> >>
> >> or physical controllers as input devices for digital sound panners? For
> >> interactive installations, I built/used/seen:
> >>
> >> - big trackballs (like those in vintage video games)
> >>
> >> - long levers (like giant joysticks)
> >>
> >> - cameras, presence detectors, touch screens...
> >>
> >> Basically, any controller can be used.
> >>
> >> Marc
> >>
> >>
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Re: [Sursound] Sursound Digest, Vol 139, Issue 3

2020-02-15 Thread Justin Bennett


> On 15 Feb 2020, at 18:00, sursound-requ...@music.vt.edu wrote:
> 
>  Analogue 3D / surround sound panners?

Hi Augustine,

BMB con. https://vimeo.com/bmbcon (the group I work with) have in our 
"extensive library of vintage electronics" a custom 4 into 4 analogue panner 
based on 4 joysticks, presumably sourced from games. 

It was built around 1985 for the performance group Fabricata Illuminata, we 
used to do immersive live performances 
with quad sound systems.  
https://nickcopefilm.com/category/fabricata-illuminata/

I remember at some point discussing a tetrahedral PA, which the panner would 
have had trouble with, obviously.

I haven’t used it for years, but if you’re interested I can take a picture, 
have a look inside, etc.

best wishes, Justin




Justin Bennett

jus...@justinbennett.nl
www.justinbennett.nl
http://jubilee-art.org/

https://vimeo.com/justinbennett


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Re: [Sursound] Analogue 3D / surround sound panners?

2020-02-15 Thread Augustine Leudar
Interesting to note that Pink Floyd started to experiment with surround
before Syd Barret left. I never really liked their stuff after he left -
but I would have loved to witness this gig :

https://www.wired.com/2009/05/dayintech-0512/

On Sat, 15 Feb 2020 at 18:03, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano <
na...@ccrma.stanford.edu> wrote:

> On 2/15/20 5:15 AM, Augustine Leudar wrote:
> > Hi Marc
> > I mean completely analogue. I use things like the leap or wii for
> digital.
> > I mean if you didn't want to use any software at all.
>
> You need to get one of these:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azimuth_Co-ordinator
> :-)
> -- Fernando
>
> https://www.neptunepinkfloyd.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=24035
>
>
> > On Saturday, 15 February 2020, Marc Lavallée  wrote:
> >
> >> Le 20-02-15 à 07 h 36, Augustine Leudar a écrit :
> >>
> >>> What was/is around in terms of analogue physical 3D or horizontal only
> >>> panners? I've seen the little joystick things on desks. Was wondering
> >> what
> >>> else?
> >>
> >> Do you mean panners using analog electronics and physical controls to
> >> pan the sound through analog only electronics (without any computing
> >> involved),
> >>
> >> or physical controllers as input devices for digital sound panners? For
> >> interactive installations, I built/used/seen:
> >>
> >> - big trackballs (like those in vintage video games)
> >>
> >> - long levers (like giant joysticks)
> >>
> >> - cameras, presence detectors, touch screens...
> >>
> >> Basically, any controller can be used.
> >>
> >> Marc
> >>
> >>
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Re: [Sursound] Analogue 3D / surround sound panners?

2020-02-15 Thread Fernando Lopez-Lezcano

On 2/15/20 5:15 AM, Augustine Leudar wrote:

Hi Marc
I mean completely analogue. I use things like the leap or wii for digital.
I mean if you didn't want to use any software at all.


You need to get one of these:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azimuth_Co-ordinator
:-)
-- Fernando

https://www.neptunepinkfloyd.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=24035



On Saturday, 15 February 2020, Marc Lavallée  wrote:


Le 20-02-15 à 07 h 36, Augustine Leudar a écrit :


What was/is around in terms of analogue physical 3D or horizontal only
panners? I've seen the little joystick things on desks. Was wondering

what

else?


Do you mean panners using analog electronics and physical controls to
pan the sound through analog only electronics (without any computing
involved),

or physical controllers as input devices for digital sound panners? For
interactive installations, I built/used/seen:

- big trackballs (like those in vintage video games)

- long levers (like giant joysticks)

- cameras, presence detectors, touch screens...

Basically, any controller can be used.

Marc


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Re: [Sursound] Analogue 3D / surround sound panners?

2020-02-15 Thread Conan Wynne
They are great and with a few level attenuators you could put any signal
through them!

On Sat 15 Feb 2020, 17:21 Augustine Leudar, 
wrote:

> Thanks ,
> Conan that modular thing looks great. I know a few people who just dont
> like using computers for live electronica  but want to incorporate 3D sound
> - this would great,
> a lot of them are really into their modular stuff too.
>
> On Sat, 15 Feb 2020 at 16:54, Conan Wynne  wrote:
>
> > I had some success in modular using a planar, if you had 2 you could do
> > some interesting stuff in 3D,
> >
> > https://intellijel.com/shop/eurorack/planar-2/
> >
> > On Sat 15 Feb 2020, 16:32 David McKevy,  wrote:
> >
> > > Makes me think of this (for starts), I believe the original is in a
> > museum
> > > in London.
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://reverb.com/item/2011345-polyfusion-qp-1-sound-a-round-quad-panner
> > >
> > > On Sat, Feb 15, 2020, 8:16 AM Augustine Leudar <
> > augustineleu...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Marc
> > > > I mean completely analogue. I use things like the leap or wii for
> > > digital.
> > > > I mean if you didn't want to use any software at all.
> > > >
> > > > On Saturday, 15 February 2020, Marc Lavallée 
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Le 20-02-15 à 07 h 36, Augustine Leudar a écrit :
> > > > >
> > > > > > What was/is around in terms of analogue physical 3D or horizontal
> > > only
> > > > > > panners? I've seen the little joystick things on desks. Was
> > wondering
> > > > > what
> > > > > > else?
> > > > >
> > > > > Do you mean panners using analog electronics and physical controls
> to
> > > > > pan the sound through analog only electronics (without any
> computing
> > > > > involved),
> > > > >
> > > > > or physical controllers as input devices for digital sound panners?
> > For
> > > > > interactive installations, I built/used/seen:
> > > > >
> > > > > - big trackballs (like those in vintage video games)
> > > > >
> > > > > - long levers (like giant joysticks)
> > > > >
> > > > > - cameras, presence detectors, touch screens...
> > > > >
> > > > > Basically, any controller can be used.
> > > > >
> > > > > Marc
> > > > >
> > > > >
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Re: [Sursound] Analogue 3D / surround sound panners?

2020-02-15 Thread Dave Hunt
Over two decades ago I had a pair of quad pots made by Penny & Giles. Totally 
passive with conductive plastic tracks. Very nice, but limited to four outputs 
(or I suppose for mixing four inputs to mono), and fairly pricey. There wasn’t 
a lot else available at the time apart from the Audio & Design (??) ambisonic 
panner and decoder. This one doesn’t seem to be available any more.

I used them a few times, but sold them after they had been stuck in a cupboard 
for several years.

Otherwise it would be possible to construct something with a cheaper, more 
readily available, pan pot, and a bunch of VCA’s. As the pots in most quad pots 
don’t cover the whole of their range some sort of scaling and offset for each 
output is required, even for just four outputs. More outputs would require 
different scalings and offsets.

Or as Conan Wynne suggested, some Modular synth bits.

Ciao,

Dave Hunt

> From: Augustine Leudar 
> Subject: [Sursound] Analogue 3D / surround sound panners?
> Date: 15 February 2020 at 12:36:47 GMT
> To: Sursound@music.vt.edu
> 
> 
> What was/is around in terms of analogue physical 3D or horizontal only
> panners? I've seen the little joystick things on desks. Was wondering what
> else?
> 
> -- 
> Dr. Augustine Leudar
> Artistic Director Magik Door
> www.magikdoor.net
> +44(0)7555784775
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Re: [Sursound] Analogue 3D / surround sound panners?

2020-02-15 Thread Augustine Leudar
Thanks ,
Conan that modular thing looks great. I know a few people who just dont
like using computers for live electronica  but want to incorporate 3D sound
- this would great,
a lot of them are really into their modular stuff too.

On Sat, 15 Feb 2020 at 16:54, Conan Wynne  wrote:

> I had some success in modular using a planar, if you had 2 you could do
> some interesting stuff in 3D,
>
> https://intellijel.com/shop/eurorack/planar-2/
>
> On Sat 15 Feb 2020, 16:32 David McKevy,  wrote:
>
> > Makes me think of this (for starts), I believe the original is in a
> museum
> > in London.
> >
> >
> https://reverb.com/item/2011345-polyfusion-qp-1-sound-a-round-quad-panner
> >
> > On Sat, Feb 15, 2020, 8:16 AM Augustine Leudar <
> augustineleu...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Marc
> > > I mean completely analogue. I use things like the leap or wii for
> > digital.
> > > I mean if you didn't want to use any software at all.
> > >
> > > On Saturday, 15 February 2020, Marc Lavallée 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Le 20-02-15 à 07 h 36, Augustine Leudar a écrit :
> > > >
> > > > > What was/is around in terms of analogue physical 3D or horizontal
> > only
> > > > > panners? I've seen the little joystick things on desks. Was
> wondering
> > > > what
> > > > > else?
> > > >
> > > > Do you mean panners using analog electronics and physical controls to
> > > > pan the sound through analog only electronics (without any computing
> > > > involved),
> > > >
> > > > or physical controllers as input devices for digital sound panners?
> For
> > > > interactive installations, I built/used/seen:
> > > >
> > > > - big trackballs (like those in vintage video games)
> > > >
> > > > - long levers (like giant joysticks)
> > > >
> > > > - cameras, presence detectors, touch screens...
> > > >
> > > > Basically, any controller can be used.
> > > >
> > > > Marc
> > > >
> > > >
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Re: [Sursound] Analogue 3D / surround sound panners?

2020-02-15 Thread Conan Wynne
I had some success in modular using a planar, if you had 2 you could do
some interesting stuff in 3D,

https://intellijel.com/shop/eurorack/planar-2/

On Sat 15 Feb 2020, 16:32 David McKevy,  wrote:

> Makes me think of this (for starts), I believe the original is in a museum
> in London.
>
> https://reverb.com/item/2011345-polyfusion-qp-1-sound-a-round-quad-panner
>
> On Sat, Feb 15, 2020, 8:16 AM Augustine Leudar 
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Marc
> > I mean completely analogue. I use things like the leap or wii for
> digital.
> > I mean if you didn't want to use any software at all.
> >
> > On Saturday, 15 February 2020, Marc Lavallée  wrote:
> >
> > > Le 20-02-15 à 07 h 36, Augustine Leudar a écrit :
> > >
> > > > What was/is around in terms of analogue physical 3D or horizontal
> only
> > > > panners? I've seen the little joystick things on desks. Was wondering
> > > what
> > > > else?
> > >
> > > Do you mean panners using analog electronics and physical controls to
> > > pan the sound through analog only electronics (without any computing
> > > involved),
> > >
> > > or physical controllers as input devices for digital sound panners? For
> > > interactive installations, I built/used/seen:
> > >
> > > - big trackballs (like those in vintage video games)
> > >
> > > - long levers (like giant joysticks)
> > >
> > > - cameras, presence detectors, touch screens...
> > >
> > > Basically, any controller can be used.
> > >
> > > Marc
> > >
> > >
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Re: [Sursound] Analogue 3D / surround sound panners?

2020-02-15 Thread David McKevy
Makes me think of this (for starts), I believe the original is in a museum
in London.

https://reverb.com/item/2011345-polyfusion-qp-1-sound-a-round-quad-panner

On Sat, Feb 15, 2020, 8:16 AM Augustine Leudar 
wrote:

> Hi Marc
> I mean completely analogue. I use things like the leap or wii for digital.
> I mean if you didn't want to use any software at all.
>
> On Saturday, 15 February 2020, Marc Lavallée  wrote:
>
> > Le 20-02-15 à 07 h 36, Augustine Leudar a écrit :
> >
> > > What was/is around in terms of analogue physical 3D or horizontal only
> > > panners? I've seen the little joystick things on desks. Was wondering
> > what
> > > else?
> >
> > Do you mean panners using analog electronics and physical controls to
> > pan the sound through analog only electronics (without any computing
> > involved),
> >
> > or physical controllers as input devices for digital sound panners? For
> > interactive installations, I built/used/seen:
> >
> > - big trackballs (like those in vintage video games)
> >
> > - long levers (like giant joysticks)
> >
> > - cameras, presence detectors, touch screens...
> >
> > Basically, any controller can be used.
> >
> > Marc
> >
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Re: [Sursound] Analogue 3D / surround sound panners?

2020-02-15 Thread Augustine Leudar
Hi Marc
I mean completely analogue. I use things like the leap or wii for digital.
I mean if you didn't want to use any software at all.

On Saturday, 15 February 2020, Marc Lavallée  wrote:

> Le 20-02-15 à 07 h 36, Augustine Leudar a écrit :
>
> > What was/is around in terms of analogue physical 3D or horizontal only
> > panners? I've seen the little joystick things on desks. Was wondering
> what
> > else?
>
> Do you mean panners using analog electronics and physical controls to
> pan the sound through analog only electronics (without any computing
> involved),
>
> or physical controllers as input devices for digital sound panners? For
> interactive installations, I built/used/seen:
>
> - big trackballs (like those in vintage video games)
>
> - long levers (like giant joysticks)
>
> - cameras, presence detectors, touch screens...
>
> Basically, any controller can be used.
>
> Marc
>
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Re: [Sursound] Analogue 3D / surround sound panners?

2020-02-15 Thread Marc Lavallée
Le 20-02-15 à 07 h 36, Augustine Leudar a écrit :

> What was/is around in terms of analogue physical 3D or horizontal only
> panners? I've seen the little joystick things on desks. Was wondering what
> else?

Do you mean panners using analog electronics and physical controls to
pan the sound through analog only electronics (without any computing
involved),

or physical controllers as input devices for digital sound panners? For
interactive installations, I built/used/seen:

- big trackballs (like those in vintage video games)

- long levers (like giant joysticks)

- cameras, presence detectors, touch screens...

Basically, any controller can be used.

Marc


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[Sursound] Analogue 3D / surround sound panners?

2020-02-15 Thread Augustine Leudar
What was/is around in terms of analogue physical 3D or horizontal only
panners? I've seen the little joystick things on desks. Was wondering what
else?

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