Re: [Sursound] analog planner

[Charlie Richmond]

On Thu, 20 Feb 2020 at 10:05, dan2...@yotz.org  wrote:

> Not sure what surprises me more...
> 1) quad analog joystick panners are still being made
>

The panners I have, although new, were purchased many years ago from Alps.
I don't think they are manufactured any more.

2) there is such thing known as M and N tapers for pots (had to look that
> one up)
>

The orginal tapes for these units were A & C but M & N were created to
produce much better results.  We have used both.

3) Or that Siri’s AI is advanced enough to pun by auto-correcting panner to
> planner - as these weren’t made for 3-D...
>

I've been panning Siri's AI ever since it was released.  And other
auto-correcting apps too.

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Re: [Sursound] analog planner

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I have replied to Gus - if anyone else wants pictures, please let me know
offlist.

Cheers,
Charlie

On Wed, 19 Feb 2020 at 11:59, Augustine Leudar 
wrote:

> Any chance of seeing a photo Charlie? I'm not looking to buy just curious -
> did you ever make a panner that would do height as well?
>
>
> On Wed, 19 Feb 2020, 19:17 Charlie Richmond, 
> wrote:
>
> > >
> > >
> > > Otherwise I’d recommend getting a heavy duty joystick and replacing the
> > > pots with dual analog tapers
> > >
> >
> > I still have a bunch of these left over from when we produced quad
> > consoles.  Including the complementary dual M/N taper pots for each axis.
> > If anyone wants to buy them, I'm accepting offers...
> >
> > Charlie
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Re: [Sursound] analog planner

[Charlie Richmond]

>
>
> Otherwise I’d recommend getting a heavy duty joystick and replacing the
> pots with dual analog tapers
>

I still have a bunch of these left over from when we produced quad
consoles.  Including the complementary dual M/N taper pots for each axis.
If anyone wants to buy them, I'm accepting offers...

Charlie

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Re: [Sursound] Software Oscillator

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http://www.richmondsounddesign.com/soundman-script.html#setgen

On Thu, 22 Aug 2019 at 13:27, Bill de Garis  wrote:

> Thanks for the replies for portable telephones but how about good old
> Win10?
>
> Bill (Billy d) de Garis
> Sound etc
> d...@shaw.ca
> 604 469-6015
>
> Do not go gentle into that good night,
> Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
> Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
> Dylan Thomas
>
> On 22/8/19 8:22 am, Bill de Garis wrote:
> > Would someone recommend a free software oscillator for me?
> > I would like to calibrate my playback system (6.0 flat) cobbled together
> from odds and
> > ends.
> > I have a high zoot Radioshack sound level meter.
> >
> > Bill
> >
> > Do not go gentle into that good night,
> > Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
> > Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
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> >
> >
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Re: [Sursound] OT: email client settings

[Charlie Richmond]

If I understand you correctly, every email list I have ever been on
includes the email address of anyone replying to a post via the list, so
what you describe would be highly unusual.

Charlie

On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 5:53 PM, Marc Lavallée  wrote:

> Dear list users.
>
> My email address appeared in a reply to the latest thread.
>
> Email clients should not include email addresses in attributions (when
> replying).
>
> One possible way to avoid it is to turn off HTML when composing messages.
>
> Thanks for your attention.
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Re: [Sursound] Ultrasonic speaker that emits 3D sound ?

[Charlie Richmond]

On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 4:24 PM, Augustine Leudar 
wrote:

> Hi Charlie !
> Im aware of course of directional loudspeakers that use ultrasonic beating
> - but I understood this is able to position sounds in 3D space - without
> physically having to point the speaker - if so that would be quite a cool
> advance,
>

​It would indeed and I'm extremely sceptical that it will work successfully
but please let us know when you get a chance!

Cheers,
Charlie​



> best
> Gus
>
> On 7 March 2018 at 23:51, Charlie Richmond  wrote:
>
> > These have been around for a long time and they do work but there is a
> > sharp sweet spot and no bass at all of course...  and it's really only
> > stereo for the one person they are focused on but if the 3d imaging of
> the
> > original source is reasonable then the one listener will definitely hear
> > the 3d imaging that one can hear with two regular loudspeakers when they
> > are precisely in the originally prescribed sweet spot.  Therefore, you
> can
> > say that they technically do what they say they can do but that is less
> > than regular a good stereo speaker pair.  The main feature is that the
> > ultrasonic beating that the two drivers do which produces the audible
> sound
> > at the crosspoint is only audible for the one listener exactly in the
> > crosspoint and not audible to anyone else in the vicinity, which is a
> good
> > trick when it is desired.
> >
> > Charlie
> >
> > Charlie
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 2:47 PM, Augustine Leudar <
> > augustineleu...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Im desperately trying not to be skeptical because I really really want
> > this
> > > to be true - has anyone had a chance to test one out ?
> > >
> > > http://www.electronicbeats.net/the-feed/ultrasonic-
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> > >
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Re: [Sursound] Ultrasonic speaker that emits 3D sound ?

[Charlie Richmond]

These have been around for a long time and they do work but there is a
sharp sweet spot and no bass at all of course...  and it's really only
stereo for the one person they are focused on but if the 3d imaging of the
original source is reasonable then the one listener will definitely hear
the 3d imaging that one can hear with two regular loudspeakers when they
are precisely in the originally prescribed sweet spot.  Therefore, you can
say that they technically do what they say they can do but that is less
than regular a good stereo speaker pair.  The main feature is that the
ultrasonic beating that the two drivers do which produces the audible sound
at the crosspoint is only audible for the one listener exactly in the
crosspoint and not audible to anyone else in the vicinity, which is a good
trick when it is desired.

Charlie

Charlie

On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 2:47 PM, Augustine Leudar 
wrote:

> Im desperately trying not to be skeptical because I really really want this
> to be true - has anyone had a chance to test one out ?
>
> http://www.electronicbeats.net/the-feed/ultrasonic-
> speaker-emits-3d-spatial-sound/
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Re: [Sursound] MEMS speakers

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SoundMan-Server is a virtual matrix that has up to 1k discrete inputs and
outputs with dynamic level, eq and delay controls at each crosspoint if
that helps at all.

Charlie

On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 5:14 PM, Augustine Leudar  wrote:

> exactly what I was thinking Gary - except youd need a million channel
> interface - there's be other ways though. Basically it would be a good way
> of getting 3D audio into peoples homes - as noone can either be bothered to
> set up even 4 speakers let alone some fancy atmos setup. So some kind of
> wallpaper would possibly work, something that requires almost zero setup
> anyway...
>
> On 19 January 2018 at 19:04, Gary Gallagher 
> wrote:
>
> > Wave field synthesis wall paper? How small does an an audio pixel have to
> > be?
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 17, 2018, 20:25 Augustine Leudar 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Interesting. I can think of a lot of applications for these and
> > spatial
> > > audio
> > >
> > > On Wednesday, 17 January 2018, Gary Gallagher  >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > https://hackaday.com/2018/01/16/new-part-day-mems-
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[Sursound] Fwd: Multichannel players for permanent installations

[Charlie Richmond]

Since Gus seems determined not to use the most logical solution (certainly
the one that is by far the most frequently used, anyway...) here is my
private reply to him, if anyone is interested:

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From: Charlie Richmond 
Date: Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 11:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Sursound] Multichannel players for permanent installations
To: Augustine Leudar 


Hi Gus!  The short answer is that you can use literally any combination of
ASIO driver based audio interfaces you want combined to provide as many
channels as you want.  SM-S aggregates them as long as they can be set to
the same buffer size, which most can be.  I hope it's not my site that's
the problem because I do list a number of interfaces which we distribute
but they tend to be unusual ones and rather expensive so it's important to
know that you can use any ones you want with a garden variety Windows
computer to put it all together!

The price list is here: http://www.richmondsounddesign.com/prices.html

And clicking on the links at the top should get you anywhere you want but
if it isn't working please let me know and I can provide any more
information you need.  Also, I am always able to provide you with temporary
evaluation licenses by email for any size and configuration system that you
are interested in!

All the best as always,
Charlie

On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 11:31 AM, Augustine Leudar <
augustineleu...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Charlie - I was hoping you would chime in - my internets a bit
> weird at the moment so I cant really see your page properly (I can
> only see software?) What hardware have you got that will do up to 22
> channels and whats the price ?
> cheers,
> Gus
>
> On 27/06/2017, Charlie Richmond  wrote:
> > Over 1.5 million virtual channels in permanent installations now:
> >
> > http://www.richmondsounddesign.com/news.html#pu
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 11:18 AM, Charlie Richmond <
> charlie@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> http://www.richmondsounddesign.com/virtual-sound-system.html
> >>
> >> On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 11:08 AM, David Pickett  wrote:
> >>
> >>> At 19:12 27/06/2017, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 06/27/2017 02:53 PM, David Pickett wrote: > At 13:52 27/06/2017,
> >>>> Augustine Leudar wrote: >  >Hi, >  >I know I've asked this before but
> >>>> maybe
> >>>> there's some new developments. > HAs >  >anyone any suggestions for
> >>>> anything up to a permanent 22 channel >  >installation (could be two
> >>>> devices started at the same time and set to >  >loop) . The best
> >>>> suggestion
> >>>> Ive had I think is one of those old hard disk >  >recorders for use
> with
> >>>> mixing desks ? Any other suggestions ? Ive been > the >  >computer
> with
> >>>> multchannel soundcard route and it is not an experience Id >  >like to
> >>>> repeat. Must be bomb/cleaner/child/adult proof, > > A second hand
> Alesis
> >>>> HD24, if you are on a low budget.  They are > bomb-proof. Iff you can
> >>>> get
> >>>> the appropriate disks, which seem to be fetching collector's prices
> >>>> these
> >>>> days :-D
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> I am still using mine (as a backup, connected with ADAT I/O) with the
> old
> >>> parallel disks, but members of the Yahoo HD24 group have successfully
> >>> converted machines to run with modern SATA disks.  Unlike the USB
> stick,
> >>> nobody is likely to nick the HD!
> >>>
> >>> As to not having a guarantee, the system is so simple that once it
> works
> >>> it seems to go for ever.  However, as a consequence of this, I see that
> >>> prices are holding steady on Ebay at c. 500 quid.
> >>>
> >>> David
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Re: [Sursound] Multichannel players for permanent installations

[Charlie Richmond]

Over 1.5 million virtual channels in permanent installations now:

http://www.richmondsounddesign.com/news.html#pu

On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 11:18 AM, Charlie Richmond 
wrote:

> http://www.richmondsounddesign.com/virtual-sound-system.html
>
> On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 11:08 AM, David Pickett  wrote:
>
>> At 19:12 27/06/2017, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote:
>>
>>> On 06/27/2017 02:53 PM, David Pickett wrote: > At 13:52 27/06/2017,
>>> Augustine Leudar wrote: >  >Hi, >  >I know I've asked this before but maybe
>>> there's some new developments. > HAs >  >anyone any suggestions for
>>> anything up to a permanent 22 channel >  >installation (could be two
>>> devices started at the same time and set to >  >loop) . The best suggestion
>>> Ive had I think is one of those old hard disk >  >recorders for use with
>>> mixing desks ? Any other suggestions ? Ive been > the >  >computer with
>>> multchannel soundcard route and it is not an experience Id >  >like to
>>> repeat. Must be bomb/cleaner/child/adult proof, > > A second hand Alesis
>>> HD24, if you are on a low budget.  They are > bomb-proof. Iff you can get
>>> the appropriate disks, which seem to be fetching collector's prices these
>>> days :-D
>>>
>>
>> I am still using mine (as a backup, connected with ADAT I/O) with the old
>> parallel disks, but members of the Yahoo HD24 group have successfully
>> converted machines to run with modern SATA disks.  Unlike the USB stick,
>> nobody is likely to nick the HD!
>>
>> As to not having a guarantee, the system is so simple that once it works
>> it seems to go for ever.  However, as a consequence of this, I see that
>> prices are holding steady on Ebay at c. 500 quid.
>>
>> David
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Re: [Sursound] Multichannel players for permanent installations

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On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 11:08 AM, David Pickett  wrote:

> At 19:12 27/06/2017, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote:
>
>> On 06/27/2017 02:53 PM, David Pickett wrote: > At 13:52 27/06/2017,
>> Augustine Leudar wrote: >  >Hi, >  >I know I've asked this before but maybe
>> there's some new developments. > HAs >  >anyone any suggestions for
>> anything up to a permanent 22 channel >  >installation (could be two
>> devices started at the same time and set to >  >loop) . The best suggestion
>> Ive had I think is one of those old hard disk >  >recorders for use with
>> mixing desks ? Any other suggestions ? Ive been > the >  >computer with
>> multchannel soundcard route and it is not an experience Id >  >like to
>> repeat. Must be bomb/cleaner/child/adult proof, > > A second hand Alesis
>> HD24, if you are on a low budget.  They are > bomb-proof. Iff you can get
>> the appropriate disks, which seem to be fetching collector's prices these
>> days :-D
>>
>
> I am still using mine (as a backup, connected with ADAT I/O) with the old
> parallel disks, but members of the Yahoo HD24 group have successfully
> converted machines to run with modern SATA disks.  Unlike the USB stick,
> nobody is likely to nick the HD!
>
> As to not having a guarantee, the system is so simple that once it works
> it seems to go for ever.  However, as a consequence of this, I see that
> prices are holding steady on Ebay at c. 500 quid.
>
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Re: [Sursound] Bizarre

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On 28 October 2016 at 09:54, Augustine Leudar 
wrote:

> Sure this isn't a spoof ?
>

​It's a long time before April 1

C-)​



>
> On 28 October 2016 at 16:33, Steven Boardman 
> wrote:
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> > They have an article (a first installment that doesn't say much) on their
> > site too. Its how to build an ambisonic mic for less than $99, using 4
> omni
> > mems capsules??
> >
> > Zokm already have done an update to the H2n that allows horizontal
> > ambisonics,  but that has 5 mics built in.  I take mine with me
> everywhere.
> > It isn't great but extremely handy and light.  Got it so cheap that I'm
> not
> > so bothered when i accidentally drop it either...
> >
> > Steve
> >
> > On 28 Oct 2016 16:17, "Karl Sadler"  wrote:
> >
> > cor! terrible advert! I don't know what I'm supposed to learn from that!
> > love the idea of having something really mobile though. I had a dream a
> > couple of days ago that Zoom had made a new ambisonic mic for my Zoom H6.
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 4:12 PM Steven Boardman <
> boardroomout...@gmail.com
> > >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Another mobile ambisonic solution, is this for real?
> > >
> > > https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pGZMZoRARGI&feature=youtu.be
> > >
> > > The claims just go on...
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Re: [Sursound] Anyone know anything about this?

[Charlie Richmond]

First I've seen of it - looks interesting (not sure if it will sound
interesting ;-)

C-)

On 7 April 2016 at 10:58, John Leonard  wrote:

> This info came through from a colleague in the USA, although the company
> appears to based in Poland.
>
> http://audioimmersion.pl/
>
> Anyone else been contacted?
>
> Regards,
>
> John
>
>
> Please note new email address & direct line phone number
> email: j...@johnleonard.uk
> phone +44 (0)20 3286 5942
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Re: [Sursound] Advice on new loudspeaker array... Genelec 8010 speakers?

[Charlie Richmond]

Doorstop you say?? ;-)

On 21 October 2015 at 17:30, Augustine Leudar 
wrote:

> Daw ☺damn you autocorrect.
>
> On Thursday, 22 October 2015, Augustine Leudar 
> wrote:
>
> > You should also look at the Behringer x32 - 32 channels, midas preamps,
> > motorised faders, proven reliability,  works as a usb multichannel
> > soundcard and door controller.  1000 pounds.
> >
> > On Tuesday, 20 October 2015, Michael Chapman  > > wrote:
> >
> >> Fons Adriaensen wrote (Thu, October 15, 2015 6:47 pm) :
> >> > On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 03:59:46PM +0200, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> We've seen all those outlandish claims of magical waveguides that
> >> >> are just fractions of the wavelength in diameter and yet shape the
> >> >> sound so wonderfully that a 20Hz beam will travel all the way to the
> >> >> moon (using the revolutionary VacuProof™ technology that will
> >> >> finally bring cinema-friendly space battles). The problem is, this
> >> >> waveshaping is not physically possible.
> >> >
> >> > Yes, it's a simple as that - not physically possible.
> >> >
> >> > If you think in ambisonic (spherical harmonic) terms it's
> >> > easy to see why. Orders zero and one correspond to physical
> >> > quantities, pressure and velocity, so these can be generated
> >> > directly at any point. Higher order SH can't.
> >> >
> >> > Which means that you can have cardioid subs, or even
> >> > supercardioid ones, but anything expected to create more
> >> > directional beams will need to be of a size comparable
> >> > to wavelenght.
> >> >
> >> > Can be (and is) done for open-air PA systems using very big
> >> > arrays. But not in any normal room, there simply isn't the
> >> > space to do it.
> >> >
> >>
> >> There's something I've missed here ... for several years (as Feynman
> >> commented <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTRVlUT665U> there's a point
> >> when it's too late to ask idiot questions, but here goes;-)> :
> >>
> >> If X,Y,Z  correspond to velocity
> >> then does W correspond to some displacement of (a notional membrane say
> >> in) the aether in Jorn's vacuum of space;-)>
> >>
> >> If so ... by extension (always dangerous) ... then don't the next five
> >> (second order) components relate to acceleration ?
> >>
> >>
> >> To rephrase the question with no idiot presumptions:
> >> Why, in ambisonics, do we repeatedly refer to velcocity but never
> >> acceleration?
> >> (If one exists, then so must the other.)
> >>
> >>
> >> I feel an idiot even asking, so harsh replies accepted ;-)>
> >>
> >> Michael
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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Re: [Sursound] 8+ channel players ?

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On 9 December 2014 at 21:53, Janne Auvinen  wrote:

>
> I myself would prefer the AudioBox 2 for being absolutely sure
> about its reliability. Or QLab, if the budget is tight and running
> the system from a computer is OK with the museum.
>

thanks very much for the vote and recommendation, Janne!

Update:  AudioBox 2 is now SoundMan-Server and we have a number of
configurations available:

http://www.richmondsounddesign.com/prices.html

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Re: [Sursound] Very inexpensive surround speakers

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On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 4:21 PM, Matthew Palmer wrote:

> I'm wondering if it (4 sets of Logitechs) can give me 3d gratification for
> a little over $200. I know I'm definitely sacrificing quality but it will
> take me ages to save up for a proper set-up. I don't understand what kind
> of amplifier would be needed though.
>

Logitech and other types of computer-type loudspeaker systems are almost
exclusively self powered so no external amplifiers are required.  They do
expect, however, to be driven by the equivalent of a headphone amplifier
using a 3.5mm jack connection.  A good low impedance line level output is
usually acceptable but does not always provide a high enough voltage level.
 The input impedance of the integrated amplifier can be fairly low and is
never specified so you need to do some testing before purchasing.

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Re: [Sursound] Very inexpensive surround speakers

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On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 3:59 PM, Marc Lavallée  wrote:

>
> What matters is rigidity; if a plastic enclosure is rigid
> enough (for its size), then it would sound the same than a hard wood
> enclosure.  In the specific case of the Z506 model from Logitech,
> wooden enclosures for the satellites would make no difference; the
> drivers, the amps, and the enclosures are too small to shake. Only the
> sub-woofer enclosure is made of MDF, for a reason.
>
> So, why not using the Z506 5.1 kit from Logitech? "Multimedia" speakers
> are primarily designed as computer accessories; some are probably well
> made, excluding the one in the MoMA's permanent collection (unless
> aesthetic is the most important criteria). I wouldn't trust its sound
> quality; it's a bit small unless the listening distance is less than 2
> meters, the centre speaker does not match the four other satellites,
> the centre speaker have 2 mids and the satellites have one mid and one
> tweeter, and the cross-over frequency for the sub-woofer is probably
> near 300Hz, which is a bit too high. For Ambisonics, I believe that
> better quality full-range or coaxial speakers, all matched, should be
> preferred.
>
> I would only such use small multimedia speakers for a very compact
> periphonic installation, along with 4 to 8 small sub-woofers for a
> supplemental horizontal or periphonic low frequency decoder.
>

Agreed.  That said, the Logitech self powered systems are generally
extremely well made and sound very good, imho.

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Re: [Sursound] Multichannel audio in Museums

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On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 2:06 PM, Augustine Leudar  wrote:

> Hello all,
> I am looking for examples of permanent multichannel/surround sound audio
> installations in museums. Does anyone know of any examples. I am interested
> in any that have at least 4 channels and not a stereo file diffused over 4
> speakers etc.  If possible please state the number of channels used ,
> speaker positioning , spatialisation techniques used, their application and
> the location of the installation,
>

There are a number of articles on the types of installations we do which
meet your criteria here:

http://www.richmondsounddesign.com/news.html#ncm

Please feel free to contact me for further information.

Sincerely,
Charlie

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Re: [Sursound] 8+ channel players ?

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On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 4:17 AM, John Leonard wrote:

> Just for historical interest, I designed and installed a system for
> Tussauds New York which initially used eight of Richmond Sound Design's
> AudioBox system to cover the entire exhibition, with many multiple,
> synchronised tracks. The entire system, including video playback and
> lighting was turned on early in the morning by the cleaners and turned off
> at night by the duty technician, using a fairly basic show-control system
> linked to a simple switch panel. Audio playback was from SCSI hard-drives
> and ran without fault for over ten years, fourteen hours a day, three
> hundred and sixty four days a year. A couple of years ago, as hard-drives
> and power-supplies began to fail, we replaced the eight units with four of
> RSD's AudioBox 2 units (essentially a rack-mount Windows PC with a
> solid-state drive) and a bunch of MOTU interfaces. As far as I'm aware, the
> system is still running happily today. Richmond Sound Design's web-site is
> here: http://www.richmondsounddesign.com/


Yes, I just want to confirm that this system has been running perfectly now
for 2 years *knock on wood* and thank John for mentioning it.

Charlie


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Re: [Sursound] Maximum number of output channels possible in onesingle pc today ?

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On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 8:01 AM, John Leonard wrote:

> If you mean the SunRize Indistries AD512, that was track-count, rather
> than outputs, wasn't it? Or was there an add-on? Mine was only two channels
> in and out.
>

Ah yes, SunRize Industries...

They did come out with two multichannel extenders, although I'm not sure if
the last one was 16 or 12 channels.  Also, we only saw them in prototype
form at their offices in silicon valley so not really sure how much market
penetration they had.  I remember when they ceased operation and the
principal said he was being hired to work as a developer for a database
company (Lyris?) making about 10 times as much as he was at SunRize so he
could not be persuaded to keep on...

Charlie

>
> John
>
> On 25 Jan 2013, at 15:28, Charlie Richmond  wrote:
>
> > Sonrize had an 8 channel card in 1990 and a 16 channel card (iirc) in
> 1992
> > for the Amiga.
> >
> > C-)
> >
> > On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 7:16 AM, Eric Kofler  wrote:
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Re: [Sursound] Maximum number of output channels possible in onesingle pc today ?

[Charlie Richmond]

Sonrize had an 8 channel card in 1990 and a 16 channel card (iirc) in 1992
for the Amiga.

C-)

On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 7:16 AM, Eric Kofler  wrote:

> Turtle Beach 56K was earlier but I don't know if you
> could do multiple cards.
>
> - Original Message - From: "Miguel Negrao"  friendlyvirus.org >
> To: "Surround Sound discussion group" 
> Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 9:19 AM
> Subject: Re: [Sursound] Maximum number of output channels possible in
> onesingle pc today ?
>
>
>
>
> A 21/01/2013, às 21:50, Eric Benjamin escreveu:
>
>  what was the first commercial multichannel sound card
>>>
>> I don't know what the first was, but in 2000 I used an Echo Layla 24 to
>> put
>> together an 8-channel system with an old 100 MHz Pentium PC  (Barely
>> enough CPU
>> power.  I had to trim the OS to get it to work in real time).  Before the
>> Layla24 there was a Layla20 (just called the Layla), introduced in 1997.
>> Before
>> that I used two CardDeluxes strapped together to get 4-channel I/O in a
>> PC.
>> Driver support wasn't great.
>>
>
> Thanks for the info, that’s really interesting stuff.
>
> Found this interesting review of the CardDeluxe also:
> http://www.stereophile.com/**content/digital-audio-labs-**
> carddeluxe-pc-soundcard-page-2
>
> I would be curious to know of even older high quality sound cards.
>
> best,
> Miguel
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Re: [Sursound] Maximum number of output channels possible in one single pc today ?

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On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 11:39 AM, Augustine Leudar <
augustineleu...@gmail.com> wrote:

> P.S. YOu might want to get in touch with a guy called Steve Barbar of
> LARES-Lexicon  they apparently have buil WFS synthesis systems of 600+
> channels with tracking for the actors in theatre productions using the
> SoundMan-Server
> software.Charlie
> Richmond<
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> right people .
>

That is basically correct and I am on this list obviously.  Please feel
free to contact me directly, details below.

Sincerely,
Charlie

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Re: [Sursound] 256 channel out system - recommendations ?

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On Sun, Dec 9, 2012 at 2:55 PM, Gregorio Garcia Karman <
ggkar...@musicologia.com> wrote:

> On 7 Dec, 2012, at Fri 7 Dec 14:56 , Andrew Horsburgh <
> andrew.horsbu...@uws.ac.uk> wrote:
>
> That with the matrix is interesting. Do you mean controlling the gain of
> the inputs to the matrix or is it possible to control the actual gain of
> the matrix cross-points?
>

SoundMan-Server matrix is up to 999x999 with every crosspoint having
controllable gain, eq and delay at each crosspoint as well as at each input
and output independently.

And it aggregates multiple ASIO drivers.

Charlie

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Re: [Sursound] 256 channel out system - recommendations ?

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On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 3:47 PM, Gregorio Garcia Karman <
ggkar...@musicologia.com> wrote:

>
> p 33 of the RME HDSPe MADI FX english manual: you may use up to three MADI
> FX on one machine using OSX aggregation: "The current driver supports up to
> three HDSPe in any combination" There seem to be people out there
> successfully running at least three cards on one mac (
> http://www.rme-audio.de/forum/viewtopic.php?id=16009). No idea what the
> situation is on other platforms.
>

We are testing multiple FX cards in Windows XP-8 with SoundMan-Server
aggregation and it  works very nicely.

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Re: [Sursound] 256 channel out system - recommendations ?

[Charlie Richmond]

On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 1:37 PM, Augustine Leudar
wrote:

> Hi all,
> I am looking for economical ways of building a 256 channel out system which
> will be connected to 256 speakers for a wavefield synthesis system. I do
> not need a desk - or even inputs.
> You can get an RME HDSPe MADI FX for around £1000 which will do 192 channel
> out.
> Question 1
> anyone know how to do a 256 channel system ? - can you expand the rme with
> an extra 64 channels somehow ? They would all need to be controlled by the
> same clock so they were perfectly synchronised - perfect timing is even
> more important than usual in WFS systems.
>

Yes, use an FX card with an older single MADI RME card - SoundMan-Server
can aggregate the two ASIO drivers even if RME's drivers can't.


> Question 2 -
> Does windows still only support 254 channels ?
>

SoundMan-Server which runs on Windows NT up supports up to 999 channels in,
out and playback.


> Question 3 :
> Can anyone think of a cheaper way of doing this:
>
> RME ADI 648 MADI Breakout MADI to ADAT (64 channels each) 4 * £ 1,749.00
> RME HDSPe MADI FX £1099
> 32* behringer ADA8000 ADAT converters : £4800
>
> Total £12,966 (ish)
>
> I was thinking if I could cut down on the madi to adat boxes or DA
> converters - is there something which uses D-SUB 25 out for example ? Some
> sort of Madi-analogue converter with lots of outs maybe ?
>

So you are trying to get 256 analog outs?  The cheapest way to do that is
with MOTU 24I/O's (11 of them for a maximum of 264 channels in and out) and
3 PCIe cards using SoundMan-Server to aggregate the MOTU drivers.

Good luck!
Charlie


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Re: [Sursound] Trans-Dimensional Portal

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On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 10:19 AM, Stefan Schreiber wrote:

> Augustine Leudar wrote:
>
>  What about a forum ? I mean mailing lists are s 1980s - with a forum
>> you can easily see/search for earlier posts and topics ? Is such a
>> suggestion blasphemous ?
>>
>>
>
> No, but forums are s 90s.
>
> FB is sooo noughties.
>
> Google+ ?  *ducking*

Well  that is the latest major format, taint it?

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Re: [Sursound] Trans-Dimensional Portal

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On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Stefan Schreiber wrote:

> Sampo Syreeni wrote:
>
>
>> How about a simple group called ambisonic or Ambisonics, in FB?
>
>
There already is an ambisonics group in fb:

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Ambisonics/

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Re: [Sursound] Trans-Dimensional Portal

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OK, to Richard Dobson and Robert Greene -

We will add you to the group if you want - there are 120 people on there
now  But you aren't 'friends' of mine so I can't ask you to join....

C-)

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Re: [Sursound] Trans-Dimensional Portal

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On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 1:53 PM, John Leonard  wrote:

> Hmm,
>
> I'm strictly non-Facebook and I'm afraid I'm not going to change my views,
> even for Ambisonics.
>
> Sampo changed the name of the group to Surround sound to get away from the
ambisonics label and we now have almost 100 members.

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Re: [Sursound] Trans-Dimensional Portal

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On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 10:35 PM, Sampo Syreeni  wrote:

> On 2012-10-06, Aaron Heller wrote:
>
>  There's more info about this at
>>
>> https://www.facebook.com/**TransDimensionalPortal
>>
>
> How about a simple group called ambisonic or Ambisonics, in FB? With a
> number of the current best-knowing, FB-willing people as admins? No
> transdimensional nonsense there, but just the same, usual, well-founded
> stuff we mostly talked about for years on this list? As the FB-counterpart
> and adjunct to this list?
>
> I'd put up a group already if said persons were part of my FB-circuit.
>

I'm in.


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Re: [Sursound] 3D Array

[Charlie Richmond]

SoundMan-Server is also a good platform for many channel audio (currently
supporting up to 999):

http://www.richmondsounddesign.com/virtual-sound-system.html

Please contact me directly if you would like to get a development licence,
gratis.

Sincerely,
Charlie

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Re: [Sursound] 32 (ish) channel soundcard for wavedield synthesis ?

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SoundMan-Server can aggregate multiple sound cards in the same computer so
that you can use many different (or the same) types of audio interfaces.
 For example you can put up to 6 MOTU PCI-e interfaces and/or and up to 9
RME MADI cards into a single computer for up to 576 outputs (and inputs).
 We have done both of these and more can probably be done but we haven't
tested it beyond this.

We have a rack mount computer that can accommodate this number of cards and
it is being used in the Brazilian National Opera and megachurches in the
US.

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On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 03:53, Dave Malham  wrote:

> Definitely agree, we use multiple Motu's a lot. and they do the job just
> fine - tho the RME stuff is great as well.
>
> Just a note on synchronisation - we all use sigma-delta converters these
> days and they, especially with the older designs, can have significant
> latencies. Moreover, in terms of your overall system, these can effectively
> be variable. This is because there is usually a dependency on when the chip
> comes out of reset on power-up. Within a single multichannel box there's no
> real problem as all the converters, even if they're on separate chips, see
> the same reset time (unless someone's really screwed up the design) but
> with multiple boxes this is much more difficult to ensure unless it is
> embedded in the communications protocol somehow.
>
>Dave (slightly hung-over after the post-conference drinks...)
>
> On 26/03/2012 00:12, Miguel Negrao wrote:
>
>> A 24/03/2012, às 05:58, Eric Benjamin escreveu:
>>
>>  currently thinking of using PCI or PCI express cards
>>>>
>>> Any time that there are multiple devices the chances of having them be
>>> offset in
>>> time increases dramatically.  I've really had a lot of bad experiences,
>>> both
>>> with multiple PCI audio devices and with multiple external ADAT devices.
>>>  I'm
>>> thinking of one system I saw a few years ago that had three ADAT cards
>>> in the
>>> computer to get 24 channels of output.  In that system I occasionally saw
>>> offsets of greater than a millisecond!  But more recently I've seen a
>>> system
>>> with four MOTU 24I/O devices for 96 channels of output, and that system
>>> had
>>> perfect synchronization between devices.
>>>
>> If it’s the system that I’m thinking about, not  only that, but also
>> synchronization with another computer with another 4 MOTU sound cards,
>> making a total of 192 channels. :-)
>>
>> best,
>> Miguel Negrão
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Re: [Sursound] Invitation to connect on LinkedIn

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On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 09:02, Michael Chapman  wrote:

>
> > DID YOU KNOW ... LinkedIn ... helps you control your public image
>
> How true ;-(>
>
>
Yeah - according to linkedin they were only supposed to be sending this out
to email addresses of my contacts who were already registered on LinkenIn.
 Personally I think Google+ is far better and will take over Twitter,
LinkedIn and eventually even Facebook, but it will take time...

In the meantime the sursound mailing list is only one of two I'm on that
actually thought I really sent that message.  All the other 40 or so
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[Sursound] Invitation to connect on LinkedIn

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- Charlie

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Re: [Sursound] scaling it up - ambisonics with line arrays

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On Thu, 16 Dec 2010, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote:


i need to get a windows box anyway, so i'll have a look at SSR asap...


And you could also plug in our dongle and check out SoundMan-Server ;-)

Enjoy!
Charlie

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