Re: [Sursound] 8+ channel players ?
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Any links to this pi and usb sound module options? mick On 14 Dec 2014, at 13:04, Marc Lavallée wrote: On Sun, 14 Dec 2014 07:30:17 +0100, David Pickett wrote: At 00:54 14-12-14, Louis Mustill wrote: Not used it myself but this might be of interest. They make lovely kit generally. http://www.sounddevices.com/products/970/ I should hope so at $4,629.00! http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1044277-REG/sound_devices_970_64_track_dante_and_madi.html David A lovely DIY kit made of a Raspberry Pi and a USB sound module (8 channels, 16bit/48Khz), with a wifi web interface, would cost less than $200. Yet to be tested... Who would accept the challenge and report here? -- Marc ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on. ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
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Hi Mick. The general idea is to combine a RPI and a USB sound module the same way we can use a computer and a sound module, but specialized as a multichannel player. The RPI can be replaced with many ARM based computer, including phones and tablets. The advantage of using a USB sound module is that the driver is the same for most (if not all) of them. The disadvantage is a higher cost than a dedicated/embedded sound chip, but for DIY/prototyping, I think it's the easiest way. I don't know how feasible this project is; there are limits in terms of channels, performance and quality. It requires Linux and/or Android development skills, time and patience... -- Marc On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 09:40:11 +, mick ritchie wrote: Any links to this pi and usb sound module options? mick On 14 Dec 2014, at 13:04, Marc Lavallée wrote: On Sun, 14 Dec 2014 07:30:17 +0100, David Pickett wrote: At 00:54 14-12-14, Louis Mustill wrote: Not used it myself but this might be of interest. They make lovely kit generally. http://www.sounddevices.com/products/970/ I should hope so at $4,629.00! http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1044277-REG/sound_devices_970_64_track_dante_and_madi.html David A lovely DIY kit made of a Raspberry Pi and a USB sound module (8 channels, 16bit/48Khz), with a wifi web interface, would cost less than $200. Yet to be tested... Who would accept the challenge and report here? -- Marc ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on. ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on. ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
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Hi Mick, The RPI tends to have poor performance on it's USB bus and that makes it hard to do interesting audio things. Playback may be fine, any other kind of DSP starts to cause issues. If you can, use the Beaglebone http://beagleboard.org/bone instead. It's a much improved version of the pi. Ben On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 7:28 AM, Marc Lavallée m...@hacklava.net wrote: Hi Mick. The general idea is to combine a RPI and a USB sound module the same way we can use a computer and a sound module, but specialized as a multichannel player. The RPI can be replaced with many ARM based computer, including phones and tablets. The advantage of using a USB sound module is that the driver is the same for most (if not all) of them. The disadvantage is a higher cost than a dedicated/embedded sound chip, but for DIY/prototyping, I think it's the easiest way. I don't know how feasible this project is; there are limits in terms of channels, performance and quality. It requires Linux and/or Android development skills, time and patience... -- Marc On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 09:40:11 +, mick ritchie wrote: Any links to this pi and usb sound module options? mick On 14 Dec 2014, at 13:04, Marc Lavallée wrote: On Sun, 14 Dec 2014 07:30:17 +0100, David Pickett wrote: At 00:54 14-12-14, Louis Mustill wrote: Not used it myself but this might be of interest. They make lovely kit generally. http://www.sounddevices.com/products/970/ I should hope so at $4,629.00! http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1044277-REG/sound_devices_970_64_track_dante_and_madi.html David A lovely DIY kit made of a Raspberry Pi and a USB sound module (8 channels, 16bit/48Khz), with a wifi web interface, would cost less than $200. Yet to be tested... Who would accept the challenge and report here? -- Marc ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on. ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on. ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20141218/239c9b84/attachment.html ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
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On Sun, 14 Dec 2014 07:30:17 +0100, David Pickett wrote: At 00:54 14-12-14, Louis Mustill wrote: Not used it myself but this might be of interest. They make lovely kit generally. http://www.sounddevices.com/products/970/ I should hope so at $4,629.00! http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1044277-REG/sound_devices_970_64_track_dante_and_madi.html David A lovely DIY kit made of a Raspberry Pi and a USB sound module (8 channels, 16bit/48Khz), with a wifi web interface, would cost less than $200. Yet to be tested... Who would accept the challenge and report here? -- Marc ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
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I have been planning to integrate the other half - eight channel usb d to a convertor built into an eight channel amplifier so you get rid of all the input wiring and just connect usb. 16 bit 48 k is possible right now but not 24 bit. does it matter ? umashankar Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 08:04:35 -0500 From: m...@hacklava.net To: sursound@music.vt.edu Subject: Re: [Sursound] 8+ channel players ? On Sun, 14 Dec 2014 07:30:17 +0100, David Pickett wrote: At 00:54 14-12-14, Louis Mustill wrote: Not used it myself but this might be of interest. They make lovely kit generally. http://www.sounddevices.com/products/970/ I should hope so at $4,629.00! http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1044277-REG/sound_devices_970_64_track_dante_and_madi.html David A lovely DIY kit made of a Raspberry Pi and a USB sound module (8 channels, 16bit/48Khz), with a wifi web interface, would cost less than $200. Yet to be tested... Who would accept the challenge and report here? -- Marc ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20141214/1fdcfc53/attachment.html ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
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On Sun, 14 Dec 2014 18:44:32 +0530, umashankar manthravadi wrote: I have been planning to integrate the other half - eight channel usb d to a convertor built into an eight channel amplifier so you get rid of all the input wiring and just connect usb. 16 bit 48 k is possible right now but not 24 bit. does it matter ? umashankar I believe that 16bit is more than enough for home reproduction. -- Marc Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 08:04:35 -0500 From: m...@hacklava.net To: sursound@music.vt.edu Subject: Re: [Sursound] 8+ channel players ? On Sun, 14 Dec 2014 07:30:17 +0100, David Pickett wrote: At 00:54 14-12-14, Louis Mustill wrote: Not used it myself but this might be of interest. They make lovely kit generally. http://www.sounddevices.com/products/970/ I should hope so at $4,629.00! http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1044277-REG/sound_devices_970_64_track_dante_and_madi.html David A lovely DIY kit made of a Raspberry Pi and a USB sound module (8 channels, 16bit/48Khz), with a wifi web interface, would cost less than $200. Yet to be tested... Who would accept the challenge and report here? -- Marc ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20141214/1fdcfc53/attachment.html ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on. ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
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Hi, I use a LP-16 from CymaticAudio : http://www.cymaticaudio.com/ Not too expensive for a 16 channels 24 bits player (and 18 output sound card), and up to now, very reliable. The only little drawback is that it needs multi-mono files instead of multichannel ones. Jean-Marc Le 14/12/2014 à 14:28, Marc Lavallée m...@hacklava.net écrit : On Sun, 14 Dec 2014 18:44:32 +0530, umashankar manthravadi wrote: I have been planning to integrate the other half - eight channel usb d to a convertor built into an eight channel amplifier so you get rid of all the input wiring and just connect usb. 16 bit 48 k is possible right now but not 24 bit. does it matter ? umashankar I believe that 16bit is more than enough for home reproduction. -- Marc Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 08:04:35 -0500 From: m...@hacklava.net To: sursound@music.vt.edu Subject: Re: [Sursound] 8+ channel players ? On Sun, 14 Dec 2014 07:30:17 +0100, David Pickett wrote: At 00:54 14-12-14, Louis Mustill wrote: Not used it myself but this might be of interest. They make lovely kit generally. http://www.sounddevices.com/products/970/ I should hope so at $4,629.00! http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1044277-REG/sound_devices_970_64_track_dante_and_madi.html David A lovely DIY kit made of a Raspberry Pi and a USB sound module (8 channels, 16bit/48Khz), with a wifi web interface, would cost less than $200. Yet to be tested... Who would accept the challenge and report here? -- Marc ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20141214/1fdcfc53/attachment.html ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on. ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20141215/e8be8685/attachment.html ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
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Not used it myself but this might be of interest. They make lovely kit generally. http://www.sounddevices.com/products/970/ - *Louis Mustill - Founder Director* Artists Engineers lo...@artistsandengineers.co.uk 07870 335 851 On 10 December 2014 at 11:42, Michael Chapman s...@mchapman.com wrote: Just got a confirmation from AH. It doesn't play several tracks in loop mode. Loop mode only works with two channel audio. Abspielmodi: single,continuous,random,song loop,album loop at http://www.memsolution.com/index.html IIRC the manuals are available in English regardless they answer enquiries in English ... Michael ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20141213/20748fcb/attachment.html ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
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At 00:54 14-12-14, Louis Mustill wrote: Not used it myself but this might be of interest. They make lovely kit generally. http://www.sounddevices.com/products/970/ I should hope so at $4,629.00! http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1044277-REG/sound_devices_970_64_track_dante_and_madi.html David ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
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On 9 December 2014 at 21:53, Janne Auvinen janneauvi...@mac.com wrote: I myself would prefer the AudioBox 2 for being absolutely sure about its reliability. Or QLab, if the budget is tight and running the system from a computer is OK with the museum. thanks very much for the vote and recommendation, Janne! Update: AudioBox 2 is now SoundMan-Server and we have a number of configurations available: http://www.richmondsounddesign.com/prices.html End of advertisement... please email me offlist for more info! Cheers, Charlie -- * Charlie Richmond - http://www.RichmondSoundDesign.com http://www.richmondsounddesign.com/ * Skype: charlierichmond Viber: +16047159441 * LinkedIn Twitter: charlierichmond * Facebook: charlie.richmond * facebook.com/pages/Richmond-Sound-Design-Ltd/130195960832 https://www.facebook.com/pages/Richmond-Sound-Design-Ltd/130195960832 * google.com/+CharlieRichmond google.com/+Richmondsounddesign -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20141210/eaf0c985/attachment.html ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
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Alexandre Rocca roccaalexandre@... writes: Yes, the device play 1 to 16 channel simultaneously without computer (in loop) from an USB stick. see page 21 and 22 and the manual). Just to clarify the loping track count for the future searches, the AH ICE-16 manual does NOT tell that it can loop 16 channels of multitrack audio infinitely. Have you looked at the WavePlayer8 (or two WavePlayer8's (8 + 8 = 16, and all that) never done it, but had an email from the manufacturer saying they are daisy-chainable) ? Michael ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
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Alexandre Rocca roccaalexandre@... writes: Yes, the device play 1 to 16 channel simultaneously without computer (in loop) from an USB stick. see page 21 and 22 and the manual). A voire ++ Alexandre -- next part -- -- Just to clarify the loping track count for the future searches, the AH ICE-16 manual does NOT tell that it can loop 16 channels of multitrack audio infinitely. It only tells that it CAN play back 16 tracks (for virtual soundcheck, for example) and it CAN loop infinitely TWO tracks of background music from outputs 1 2. But nothing about combining these two things. So it is remains unclear, whether the OP's problem can be solved with an ICE-16. Still awaiting confirmation from AH for this, but as long as there is no further info, I see the box unusable for a museum installation. I myself would prefer the AudioBox 2 for being absolutely sure about its reliability. Or QLab, if the budget is tight and running the system from a computer is OK with the museum. Cheers, Janne ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mackie-SDR-24-96-24-Track-Hard-Disk-Recorder-/121060240926?pt=UK_Recorders_Rewritershash=item1c2fc0ae1e this item has gone, and 2nd hand can be risky for an installation, but Dr. Peter Lennox School of Technology, Faculty of Arts, Design and Technology University of Derby, UK e: p.len...@derby.ac.uk t: 01332 593155 -Original Message- From: sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu [mailto:sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu] On Behalf Of Augustine Leudar Sent: 10 February 2013 11:06 To: Surround Sound discussion group Subject: Re: [Sursound] 8+ channel players ? That doesn't really matter for my application if they're unbalanced as the distances involved arent big enough to pick up significant nosie - but I still can't work out if it will let me play all 8 tracks simultaneously - the documentatin isnt clear. The 8-trax thing is $3000 and doesnt play simultaneously - they have another thing which does but is nearly 4000 euros. I have to put the costing in today so any more ideas folks ? I m even thinking the best idea would be to use a apple mini and a motu soundcard. If I can program the apple mini to open an eight channel max patch in runltime upon starting is should just work by pressing the on button - I can then just remove the keyboard and monitor. On 10 February 2013 10:32, Oli Larkin olilar...@googlemail.com wrote: it's a shame the IO are unbalanced on that Allen Heath On 10 Feb 2013, at 00:59, Augustine Leudar wrote: without a computer (ie its not just an interface) with just a usb stick ? On 10 February 2013 00:23, Augustine Leudar augustineleu...@gmail.com wrote: without On 10 February 2013 00:21, Augustine Leudar augustineleu...@gmail.com wrote: that looks reasonable thanks - so let me just double check - this can play all 16 tracks simultaneously in sync ? On 10 February 2013 00:08, Alexandre Rocca roccaalexan...@yahoo.fr wrote: Hi, There is the Allen Heath ICE-16 sound card. 16 channels player and recorder, in standalone. I don't test it, so... Cheers, Alexandre Le 9 févr. 2013 à 22:24, Augustine Leudar a écrit : I've got a couple of installations that require a standalone device that will play 8 or more channels (octophonic mixes so all tracks need to be played simultaneously) can anyone think of an affordable standalone player ? The museum staff will not know anything about audio technology so preferably it will work just by pressing on. I found one but it was ridiculously priced (nearly 4000 euros !!). Ive just found this : http://www.waveplayer.de/ which seems quite affordable - has anyone used them ? cheers,, Gus -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/2013020 9/a7a74d9e/attachment.html ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound -- 07580951119 augustine.leudar.com -- 07580951119 augustine.leudar.com -- 07580951119 augustine.leudar.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/2013021 0/533aaf9c/attachment.html ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound -- 07580951119 augustine.leudar.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20130210/b08cf7f3/attachment.html ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound _ The University of Derby has a published policy regarding email and reserves the right to monitor email traffic. If you believe this email was sent to you in error, please notify the sender and delete this email. Please direct any concerns to info...@derby.ac.uk. ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound
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On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 10:56:25AM +, Peter Lennox wrote: That doesn't really matter for my application if they're unbalanced as the distances involved arent big enough to pick up significant nosie - but I still can't work out if it will let me play all 8 tracks simultaneously - the documentatin isnt clear. It probably wouldn't have 16 output connectors if it could play only stereo. Also the manual mentions possible applications, and the relation between file names and channels. From both of these one can infer that the device will play up to 16 channels simultaneously. OTOH the headphone monitoring output is mono only (a mix of selected channels). Ciao, -- FA A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia. It's also a pipe-dream, founded on self-delusion, nerd hubris and hysterically inflated market opportunities. (Cory Doctorow) ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound
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Just for historical interest, I designed and installed a system for Tussauds New York which initially used eight of Richmond Sound Design's AudioBox system to cover the entire exhibition, with many multiple, synchronised tracks. The entire system, including video playback and lighting was turned on early in the morning by the cleaners and turned off at night by the duty technician, using a fairly basic show-control system linked to a simple switch panel. Audio playback was from SCSI hard-drives and ran without fault for over ten years, fourteen hours a day, three hundred and sixty four days a year. A couple of years ago, as hard-drives and power-supplies began to fail, we replaced the eight units with four of RSD's AudioBox 2 units (essentially a rack-mount Windows PC with a solid-state drive) and a bunch of MOTU interfaces. As far as I'm aware, the system is still running happily today. Richmond Sound Design's web-site is here: http://www.richmondsounddesign.com/ If that system's a bit too complex and expensive for you, you could look at Figure 53's QLab MacOS-based playback system as a lower-cost alternative: it'll play multi-channel interleaved .WAV files, which makes sure that your files are sample accurate, and can easily be set up to start up and run on turn-on. It's used extensively in theatre sound playback systems and is extremely robust. A new version is on the way which is currently in private beta, but which has some very interesting additions. There's a free demo version, limited to to two outputs, available on the Figure 53 web-site which is here: http://figure53.com/ The only caveat I would mention is that MOTU drivers for the current versions of MacOS do not appear to be particularly stable, so if you're considering this, it may be wiser to look at interfaces from Metric Halo or RME, both of which have proved themselves to be extremely reliable in the long-term. Both systems feature an output matrix, full in, out and crosspoint level control, timed fade commands MSC and MTC options and can run multiple cue-lists. I have used both for many years now and find both developers offer exceptional support. Please feel free to contact me if you've got an questions about either system. Regards, John I've got a couple of installations that require a standalone device that will play 8 or more channels (octophonic mixes so all tracks need to be played simultaneously) can anyone think of an affordable standalone player ? The museum staff will not know anything about audio technology so preferably it will work just by pressing on. I found one but it was ridiculously priced (nearly 4000 euros !!). Ive just found this : http://www.waveplayer.de/ which seems quite affordable - has anyone used them ? cheers,, Gus -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20130209/a7a74d9e/attachment.html ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound
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Hi, I'm probably going use a motu ultralite soundcard with a mini pc with stripped down windows or linux - I've already written my own software that plays interleaved files so I don't need to buy any 3rd party software - I was just curious to see what standalone devices were out there. The whole system costs around £850 for 8 channels (without speakers) so is pretty economical and as some one mentioned I can program not jsut the player but the whole computer so that switches itself on off automatically at morning and night so hopefully even the cleaner will never need to touch it. I think Ill avoid the mini mac and osx though. I think this is a good solution because the motu are very nice soundcards , so I am getting the same amount of channels as some of the players that cost nearly 4000 euros for less than half the price and better D/A conversion. The Allen and Heath does look promising - but I just dont quite trust that it would loop properly or that it would be simple enough for the staff to operate (ie is there a loop function , if so do staff have to do anything to activate it again once the units switched off and on again) . Until someone on the list says yep Ive used it - it works fine I wouldnt want to buy it over a system I know will work well. However otherwise I would probably prefer a dedicated standalone device to using a computer. On 11 February 2013 12:17, John Leonard j...@johnleonard.co.uk wrote: Just for historical interest, I designed and installed a system for Tussauds New York which initially used eight of Richmond Sound Design's AudioBox system to cover the entire exhibition, with many multiple, synchronised tracks. The entire system, including video playback and lighting was turned on early in the morning by the cleaners and turned off at night by the duty technician, using a fairly basic show-control system linked to a simple switch panel. Audio playback was from SCSI hard-drives and ran without fault for over ten years, fourteen hours a day, three hundred and sixty four days a year. A couple of years ago, as hard-drives and power-supplies began to fail, we replaced the eight units with four of RSD's AudioBox 2 units (essentially a rack-mount Windows PC with a solid-state drive) and a bunch of MOTU interfaces. As far as I'm aware, the system is still running happily today. Richmond Sound Design's web-site is here: http://www.richmondsounddesign.com/ If that system's a bit too complex and expensive for you, you could look at Figure 53's QLab MacOS-based playback system as a lower-cost alternative: it'll play multi-channel interleaved .WAV files, which makes sure that your files are sample accurate, and can easily be set up to start up and run on turn-on. It's used extensively in theatre sound playback systems and is extremely robust. A new version is on the way which is currently in private beta, but which has some very interesting additions. There's a free demo version, limited to to two outputs, available on the Figure 53 web-site which is here: http://figure53.com/ The only caveat I would mention is that MOTU drivers for the current versions of MacOS do not appear to be particularly stable, so if you're considering this, it may be wiser to look at interfaces from Metric Halo or RME, both of which have proved themselves to be extremely reliable in the long-term. Both systems feature an output matrix, full in, out and crosspoint level control, timed fade commands MSC and MTC options and can run multiple cue-lists. I have used both for many years now and find both developers offer exceptional support. Please feel free to contact me if you've got an questions about either system. Regards, John I've got a couple of installations that require a standalone device that will play 8 or more channels (octophonic mixes so all tracks need to be played simultaneously) can anyone think of an affordable standalone player ? The museum staff will not know anything about audio technology so preferably it will work just by pressing on. I found one but it was ridiculously priced (nearly 4000 euros !!). Ive just found this : http://www.waveplayer.de/ which seems quite affordable - has anyone used them ? cheers,, Gus -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20130209/a7a74d9e/attachment.html ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound -- 07580951119 augustine.leudar.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20130211/876fd28d/attachment.html
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On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 4:17 AM, John Leonard j...@johnleonard.co.ukwrote: Just for historical interest, I designed and installed a system for Tussauds New York which initially used eight of Richmond Sound Design's AudioBox system to cover the entire exhibition, with many multiple, synchronised tracks. The entire system, including video playback and lighting was turned on early in the morning by the cleaners and turned off at night by the duty technician, using a fairly basic show-control system linked to a simple switch panel. Audio playback was from SCSI hard-drives and ran without fault for over ten years, fourteen hours a day, three hundred and sixty four days a year. A couple of years ago, as hard-drives and power-supplies began to fail, we replaced the eight units with four of RSD's AudioBox 2 units (essentially a rack-mount Windows PC with a solid-state drive) and a bunch of MOTU interfaces. As far as I'm aware, the system is still running happily today. Richmond Sound Design's web-site is here: http://www.richmondsounddesign.com/ Yes, I just want to confirm that this system has been running perfectly now for 2 years *knock on wood* and thank John for mentioning it. Charlie * Charlie Richmond - Richmond Sound Design - Skype: charlierichmond * http://www.RichmondSoundDesign.com http://www.richmondsounddesign.com/ Performance for the Long Run * SoundMan-Server AudioBox II - Virtual Sound System Core Audio Engine * LinkedIn Twitter: charlierichmondhttp://www.linkedin.com/in/charlierichmond * Facebook: charlie.richmond * G+: https://plus.google.com/u/0/117175238910652375011/https://plus.google.com/u/0/117175238910652375011/posts * RSD on Google+: https://plus.google.com/101997019719186030659/ * Primary and much preferred method of communication is via skype -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20130211/d9e86204/attachment.html ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound
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On 02/11/2013 01:17 PM, John Leonard wrote: If that system's a bit too complex and expensive for you, you could look at Figure 53's QLab MacOS-based playback system as a lower-cost alternative: it'll play multi-channel interleaved .WAV files, which makes sure that your files are sample accurate, and can easily be set up to start up and run on turn-on. It's used extensively in theatre sound playback systems and is extremely robust. from many years of personal experience, thumbs up for qlab! robust, and very usable, plus figure53 have really good support - i fondly remember receiving an answer to a problem i had within 25 minutes, on a sunday! it's a bit pricey if you need all the bells and whistles, though. you will need at least the pro audio license iirc, the free one is limited to stereo i think. -- Jörn Nettingsmeier Lortzingstr. 11, 45128 Essen, Tel. +49 177 7937487 Meister für Veranstaltungstechnik (Bühne/Studio) Tonmeister VDT http://stackingdwarves.net ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound
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I happened to search for similar players some time ago. I found these: http://www.alcorn.com/products/8traxx/ http://www.brightsign.biz/index.php I was also looking at Egreat media players: http://www.egreatworld.com/cn/ ...for some reason the English page doesn't seem to open right now. Some of these require that you use Dolby Digital or DTS encoded multichannel. Eero ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound
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it's a shame the IO are unbalanced on that Allen Heath On 10 Feb 2013, at 00:59, Augustine Leudar wrote: without a computer (ie its not just an interface) with just a usb stick ? On 10 February 2013 00:23, Augustine Leudar augustineleu...@gmail.comwrote: without On 10 February 2013 00:21, Augustine Leudar augustineleu...@gmail.comwrote: that looks reasonable thanks - so let me just double check - this can play all 16 tracks simultaneously in sync ? On 10 February 2013 00:08, Alexandre Rocca roccaalexan...@yahoo.frwrote: Hi, There is the Allen Heath ICE-16 sound card. 16 channels player and recorder, in standalone. I don't test it, so... Cheers, Alexandre Le 9 févr. 2013 à 22:24, Augustine Leudar a écrit : I've got a couple of installations that require a standalone device that will play 8 or more channels (octophonic mixes so all tracks need to be played simultaneously) can anyone think of an affordable standalone player ? The museum staff will not know anything about audio technology so preferably it will work just by pressing on. I found one but it was ridiculously priced (nearly 4000 euros !!). Ive just found this : http://www.waveplayer.de/ which seems quite affordable - has anyone used them ? cheers,, Gus -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20130209/a7a74d9e/attachment.html ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound -- 07580951119 augustine.leudar.com -- 07580951119 augustine.leudar.com -- 07580951119 augustine.leudar.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20130210/533aaf9c/attachment.html ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound
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Interesting - so I wasn't the only one who spotted the market niche for this sort of thing, wished I'd gotten on with my design :-( Dave On 10 February 2013 10:32, Oli Larkin olilar...@googlemail.com wrote: it's a shame the IO are unbalanced on that Allen Heath On 10 Feb 2013, at 00:59, Augustine Leudar wrote: without a computer (ie its not just an interface) with just a usb stick ? On 10 February 2013 00:23, Augustine Leudar augustineleu...@gmail.comwrote: without On 10 February 2013 00:21, Augustine Leudar augustineleu...@gmail.comwrote: that looks reasonable thanks - so let me just double check - this can play all 16 tracks simultaneously in sync ? On 10 February 2013 00:08, Alexandre Rocca roccaalexan...@yahoo.frwrote: Hi, There is the Allen Heath ICE-16 sound card. 16 channels player and recorder, in standalone. I don't test it, so... Cheers, Alexandre Le 9 févr. 2013 à 22:24, Augustine Leudar a écrit : I've got a couple of installations that require a standalone device that will play 8 or more channels (octophonic mixes so all tracks need to be played simultaneously) can anyone think of an affordable standalone player ? The museum staff will not know anything about audio technology so preferably it will work just by pressing on. I found one but it was ridiculously priced (nearly 4000 euros !!). Ive just found this : http://www.waveplayer.de/ which seems quite affordable - has anyone used them ? cheers,, Gus -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20130209/a7a74d9e/attachment.html ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound -- 07580951119 augustine.leudar.com -- 07580951119 augustine.leudar.com -- 07580951119 augustine.leudar.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20130210/533aaf9c/attachment.html ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound -- As of 1st October 2012, I have retired from the University, so this disclaimer is redundant These are my own views and may or may not be shared by my employer Dave Malham Ex-Music Research Centre Department of Music The University of York Heslington York YO10 5DD UK 'Ambisonics - Component Imaging for Audio' ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound
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perhaps.. a PC would better On 10 February 2013 11:16, Oli Larkin olilar...@googlemail.com wrote: On 10 Feb 2013, at 11:05, Augustine Leudar wrote: I m even thinking the best idea would be to use a apple mini and a motu soundcard. If I can program the apple mini to open an eight channel max patch in runltime upon starting is should just work by pressing the on button - I can then just remove the keyboard and monitor. I've done this successfully a couple of times. Watch out for all the resume features in osx 10.7+ though. They can be problematic for installations. On 10 Feb 2013, at 11:09, Augustine Leudar wrote: Yes - for public venues - no museum/gallery etc is going to want their staff to be operating a computer - so for permanent multichannel audio installations, whether they be ambisonic or otherwise, a standalone device capable of playing multiple tracks simultaneously is the only option. So anyone know if I can load my 8 tracks onto the Allen and heath and then someone can just come in and press play and they will loop in sync all day ? On 10 February 2013 11:01, Dave Malham dave.mal...@york.ac.uk wrote: Interesting - so I wasn't the only one who spotted the market niche for this sort of thing, wished I'd gotten on with my design :-( Dave On 10 February 2013 10:32, Oli Larkin olilar...@googlemail.com wrote: it's a shame the IO are unbalanced on that Allen Heath On 10 Feb 2013, at 00:59, Augustine Leudar wrote: without a computer (ie its not just an interface) with just a usb stick ? On 10 February 2013 00:23, Augustine Leudar augustineleu...@gmail.com wrote: without On 10 February 2013 00:21, Augustine Leudar augustineleu...@gmail.com wrote: that looks reasonable thanks - so let me just double check - this can play all 16 tracks simultaneously in sync ? On 10 February 2013 00:08, Alexandre Rocca roccaalexan...@yahoo.fr wrote: Hi, There is the Allen Heath ICE-16 sound card. 16 channels player and recorder, in standalone. I don't test it, so... Cheers, Alexandre Le 9 févr. 2013 à 22:24, Augustine Leudar a écrit : I've got a couple of installations that require a standalone device that will play 8 or more channels (octophonic mixes so all tracks need to be played simultaneously) can anyone think of an affordable standalone player ? The museum staff will not know anything about audio technology so preferably it will work just by pressing on. I found one but it was ridiculously priced (nearly 4000 euros !!). Ive just found this : http://www.waveplayer.de/ which seems quite affordable - has anyone used them ? cheers,, Gus -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20130209/a7a74d9e/attachment.html ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound -- 07580951119 augustine.leudar.com -- 07580951119 augustine.leudar.com -- 07580951119 augustine.leudar.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20130210/533aaf9c/attachment.html ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound -- As of 1st October 2012, I have retired from the University, so this disclaimer is redundant These are my own views and may or may not be shared by my employer Dave Malham Ex-Music Research Centre Department of Music The University of York Heslington York YO10 5DD UK 'Ambisonics - Component Imaging for Audio' ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound -- 07580951119 augustine.leudar.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20130210/e312d1d7/attachment.html ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20130210/3ead7754/attachment.html
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Interesting - so I wasn't the only one who spotted the market niche for this sort of thing, wished I'd gotten on with my design :-( Still a market(?) for one with a low channel count and which can be used in groups with (?)GPS sync between them ... ... Go modular ... Michael ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound
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There are standalone multichannel recorders from several manufacturers, such as this: http://www.joeco.co.uk/main/BBR_models.html And portable multichannel recorders such as this: http://www.sounddevices.com/products/788t/images/ ...and even more channels from other manufacturers. The portables cost a lot. Also, the problem is that the recorders don't have analog (or digital) outputs from several channels, most of them only have a stereo monitor output. Eero ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound
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http://www.fostexinternational.com/docs/products/D2424LV_Mk2.shtml#2 dunno the price 24 analog out Eero ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound
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The thing is I dont need a recorder but a playback device I have understood that. I was also looking for a similar playback device for an installation some time ago. As you see, there aren't too many, so I also looked at the recorders. - obviously devices that can record 8 channels can usually play them back as well Well, some of them can. Some need to be connect to a computer with a multichannel interface, which would be crazy in this case. I have decided to go the motu ultralite soundcard with a small rock solid computer setup up to automatically play 8 channels when the on button is pressed For certain that is a very good solution. Here's one more standalone recorder for you: http://www.alesis.com/hd24 There seems to be one for sale at EBay for 400 $. When I was planning the installation, I was preferably looking for a SD card or solid state memory player, which you could leave on loop playing for ever. The museum personnel or a timer could switch on just the speakers when needed. The playback reliablility is crucial. Otherwise you'll be running there to reset the system every now and then. Having said that, back in the years I made an installation that ran on three ADAT tape recorders using VHS tape. They kept on looping for three months in a row without any interruptions. Good luck with the installation. Eero ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound
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Thanks Eero , I know what you mean about reliability. I think if the computer is disconected from the internet with a stripped down operating system that isnt trying to update itself , connected to the internet or even without a keyboard mouse and monitor (so noone can fiddle) it should be ok. The problem is I need two sets of 8 channels in two separate rooms too far apart to connect via cabling - so I need two devices - otherwise it would make sense to get one 24 channel player as suggested - but as it is I need two 8 channel ones. On 10 February 2013 14:35, Eero Aro eero@dlc.fi wrote: The thing is I dont need a recorder but a playback device I have understood that. I was also looking for a similar playback device for an installation some time ago. As you see, there aren't too many, so I also looked at the recorders. - obviously devices that can record 8 channels can usually play them back as well Well, some of them can. Some need to be connect to a computer with a multichannel interface, which would be crazy in this case. I have decided to go the motu ultralite soundcard with a small rock solid computer setup up to automatically play 8 channels when the on button is pressed For certain that is a very good solution. Here's one more standalone recorder for you: http://www.alesis.com/hd24 There seems to be one for sale at EBay for 400 $. When I was planning the installation, I was preferably looking for a SD card or solid state memory player, which you could leave on loop playing for ever. The museum personnel or a timer could switch on just the speakers when needed. The playback reliablility is crucial. Otherwise you'll be running there to reset the system every now and then. Having said that, back in the years I made an installation that ran on three ADAT tape recorders using VHS tape. They kept on looping for three months in a row without any interruptions. Good luck with the installation. Eero __**_ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/**mailman/listinfo/sursoundhttps://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound -- 07580951119 augustine.leudar.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20130210/51b61cf5/attachment.html ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound
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Hi, About Allen Heath ICE-16 sound card. 16 channels player and recorder, in standalone Le 10 févr. 2013 à 01:59, Augustine Leudar a écrit : that looks reasonable thanks - so let me just double check - this can play all 16 tracks simultaneously in sync without a computer (ie its not just an interface) with just a usb stick ? Yes, the device play 1 to 16 channel simultaneously without computer (in loop) from an USB stick. see page 21 and 22 and the manual). And you'll can sync many cards together to play more channel (in a next soft update). I found this card for the same problem... I don't buy it yet, so don't test. You can download manual in pdf here: http://www.allen-heath.com/uk/Products/Pages/ProductDetails.aspx?CatId=ICE16ProductId=ICE16 I found best price for this card in england, here: http://www.dv247.fr/invt/101818/ A voire ++ Alexandre -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20130210/a91b288a/attachment.html ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound
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Thanks for that ! On 10 February 2013 16:57, Alexandre Rocca roccaalexan...@yahoo.fr wrote: Hi, About Allen Heath ICE-16 sound card. 16 channels player and recorder, in standalone Le 10 févr. 2013 à 01:59, Augustine Leudar a écrit : that looks reasonable thanks - so let me just double check - this can play all 16 tracks simultaneously in sync without a computer (ie its not just an interface) with just a usb stick ? Yes, the device play 1 to 16 channel simultaneously without computer (in loop) from an USB stick. see page 21 and 22 and the manual). And you'll can sync many cards together to play more channel (in a next soft update). I found this card for the same problem... I don't buy it yet, so don't test. You can download manual in pdf here: http://www.allen-heath.com/uk/Products/Pages/ProductDetails.aspx?CatId=ICE16ProductId=ICE16 I found best price for this card in england, here: http://www.dv247.fr/invt/101818/ A voire ++ Alexandre -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20130210/a91b288a/attachment.html ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound -- 07580951119 augustine.leudar.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20130210/93f96f11/attachment.html ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound
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i can only second the idea going mini mac. i have a piece for 12 channels, which i have shown several times over extended periods driven from am humbly mini mac g4, 1.42ghz (they are cheap now) with a simple maxpatch, opened automatically on startup in max runtime. OS was 10.4.1, which is slim enough to not trouble the machine, but still allows to set automatic start and shutdown times for the computer. for setup i use a vnc connection via ethernet from my laptop, so no need to bring a monitor or keyboard to the place. this was piped via into an echo audiofire12 interface. the only problems with this setup were occasionally cleaningwomen pulling the plug in the evening. for preparation of the files i used audacity to combine the individual into 12channel aiff files. works a treat. hth hans www.hans-w-koch.net Am 10.02.2013 um 18:00 schrieb sursound-requ...@music.vt.edu: Message: 17 Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 11:16:04 + From: Oli Larkin olilar...@googlemail.com Subject: Re: [Sursound] 8+ channel players ? To: Surround Sound discussion group sursound@music.vt.edu Message-ID: 3914ac68-7ce9-4e77-8d08-255888711...@googlemail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 On 10 Feb 2013, at 11:05, Augustine Leudar wrote: I m even thinking the best idea would be to use a apple mini and a motu soundcard. If I can program the apple mini to open an eight channel max patch in runltime upon starting is should just work by pressing the on button - I can then just remove the keyboard and monitor. I've done this successfully a couple of times. Watch out for all the resume features in osx 10.7+ though. They can be problematic for installations. ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound
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interesting Hans - I must admit I think the Allen and heath might be the best option at the moment if it can indeed loop the tracks . With regards to your setup - do you think this would be stable for years (as opposed to weeks or months) ? On 10 February 2013 18:02, hans w. koch koc...@netcologne.de wrote: i can only second the idea going mini mac. i have a piece for 12 channels, which i have shown several times over extended periods driven from am humbly mini mac g4, 1.42ghz (they are cheap now) with a simple maxpatch, opened automatically on startup in max runtime. OS was 10.4.1, which is slim enough to not trouble the machine, but still allows to set automatic start and shutdown times for the computer. for setup i use a vnc connection via ethernet from my laptop, so no need to bring a monitor or keyboard to the place. this was piped via into an echo audiofire12 interface. the only problems with this setup were occasionally cleaningwomen pulling the plug in the evening. for preparation of the files i used audacity to combine the individual into 12channel aiff files. works a treat. hth hans www.hans-w-koch.net Am 10.02.2013 um 18:00 schrieb sursound-requ...@music.vt.edu: Message: 17 Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 11:16:04 + From: Oli Larkin olilar...@googlemail.com Subject: Re: [Sursound] 8+ channel players ? To: Surround Sound discussion group sursound@music.vt.edu Message-ID: 3914ac68-7ce9-4e77-8d08-255888711...@googlemail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 On 10 Feb 2013, at 11:05, Augustine Leudar wrote: I m even thinking the best idea would be to use a apple mini and a motu soundcard. If I can program the apple mini to open an eight channel max patch in runltime upon starting is should just work by pressing the on button - I can then just remove the keyboard and monitor. I've done this successfully a couple of times. Watch out for all the resume features in osx 10.7+ though. They can be problematic for installations. ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound -- 07580951119 augustine.leudar.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20130210/d5e24b94/attachment.html ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound
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JoeCo Blackbox Player Up to 64 channels of 24/96. http://www.joeco.co.uk/main/BBP_introduction.html Sweetwater has it for US$3395. Front End Audio has it for US$3295. Or perhaps you could use two Tascam DR-680s recorders. They use SD cards and more than one can be sync'ed. Each one has six Line outputs and a S/PDIF coax output. They sell in the US for under $600. Len Moskowitz (mosko...@core-sound.com) Core Sound LLC www.core-sound.com Home of TetraMic ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound
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Hi, There is the Allen Heath ICE-16 sound card. 16 channels player and recorder, in standalone. I don't test it, so... Cheers, Alexandre Le 9 févr. 2013 à 22:24, Augustine Leudar a écrit : I've got a couple of installations that require a standalone device that will play 8 or more channels (octophonic mixes so all tracks need to be played simultaneously) can anyone think of an affordable standalone player ? The museum staff will not know anything about audio technology so preferably it will work just by pressing on. I found one but it was ridiculously priced (nearly 4000 euros !!). Ive just found this : http://www.waveplayer.de/ which seems quite affordable - has anyone used them ? cheers,, Gus -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20130209/a7a74d9e/attachment.html ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound
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that looks reasonable thanks - so let me just double check - this can play all 16 tracks simultaneously in sync ? On 10 February 2013 00:08, Alexandre Rocca roccaalexan...@yahoo.fr wrote: Hi, There is the Allen Heath ICE-16 sound card. 16 channels player and recorder, in standalone. I don't test it, so... Cheers, Alexandre Le 9 févr. 2013 à 22:24, Augustine Leudar a écrit : I've got a couple of installations that require a standalone device that will play 8 or more channels (octophonic mixes so all tracks need to be played simultaneously) can anyone think of an affordable standalone player ? The museum staff will not know anything about audio technology so preferably it will work just by pressing on. I found one but it was ridiculously priced (nearly 4000 euros !!). Ive just found this : http://www.waveplayer.de/ which seems quite affordable - has anyone used them ? cheers,, Gus -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20130209/a7a74d9e/attachment.html ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound -- 07580951119 augustine.leudar.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20130210/c8dfc5fe/attachment.html ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound
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without On 10 February 2013 00:21, Augustine Leudar augustineleu...@gmail.comwrote: that looks reasonable thanks - so let me just double check - this can play all 16 tracks simultaneously in sync ? On 10 February 2013 00:08, Alexandre Rocca roccaalexan...@yahoo.frwrote: Hi, There is the Allen Heath ICE-16 sound card. 16 channels player and recorder, in standalone. I don't test it, so... Cheers, Alexandre Le 9 févr. 2013 à 22:24, Augustine Leudar a écrit : I've got a couple of installations that require a standalone device that will play 8 or more channels (octophonic mixes so all tracks need to be played simultaneously) can anyone think of an affordable standalone player ? The museum staff will not know anything about audio technology so preferably it will work just by pressing on. I found one but it was ridiculously priced (nearly 4000 euros !!). Ive just found this : http://www.waveplayer.de/ which seems quite affordable - has anyone used them ? cheers,, Gus -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20130209/a7a74d9e/attachment.html ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound -- 07580951119 augustine.leudar.com -- 07580951119 augustine.leudar.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20130210/ca0f4f54/attachment.html ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound
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without a computer (ie its not just an interface) with just a usb stick ? On 10 February 2013 00:23, Augustine Leudar augustineleu...@gmail.comwrote: without On 10 February 2013 00:21, Augustine Leudar augustineleu...@gmail.comwrote: that looks reasonable thanks - so let me just double check - this can play all 16 tracks simultaneously in sync ? On 10 February 2013 00:08, Alexandre Rocca roccaalexan...@yahoo.frwrote: Hi, There is the Allen Heath ICE-16 sound card. 16 channels player and recorder, in standalone. I don't test it, so... Cheers, Alexandre Le 9 févr. 2013 à 22:24, Augustine Leudar a écrit : I've got a couple of installations that require a standalone device that will play 8 or more channels (octophonic mixes so all tracks need to be played simultaneously) can anyone think of an affordable standalone player ? The museum staff will not know anything about audio technology so preferably it will work just by pressing on. I found one but it was ridiculously priced (nearly 4000 euros !!). Ive just found this : http://www.waveplayer.de/ which seems quite affordable - has anyone used them ? cheers,, Gus -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20130209/a7a74d9e/attachment.html ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound -- 07580951119 augustine.leudar.com -- 07580951119 augustine.leudar.com -- 07580951119 augustine.leudar.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20130210/533aaf9c/attachment.html ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound
