Re: [Sursound] Sennheiser Easy 3D Recording and Modeling

[John Leonard]

I wouldn’t call BVE a consumer show, really. It’s aimed at broadcast, film and 
TV professionals and most of the gear on show is pretty high-end stuff. The 
chap I was talking to was a fairly high-up exec, but obviously not fully clued 
up on Ambisonics and at least he asked to be informed of what was available.

Regards,

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> On 26 Feb 2016, at 16:37, Marc Lavallee  wrote:
> 
> BVE is a consumer show (where ignorance is bliss)...

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Re: [Sursound] Sennheiser Easy 3D Recording and Modeling

[Marc Lavallee]

On Fri, 26 Feb 2016 16:16:14 +
"Courville, Daniel"  wrote:
> John Leonard wrote:
> 
> >2) It will deliver A-Format signals from electret capsules.
> >
> >5) They are developing their own suite of software. He seemed
> >somewhat surprised when I mentioned what was already available...  
> 
> Let's hope that their hardware/software combo gives access to both
> the A and the B format stream, so that we can use software they seem
> to ignore the existence...
> 
> - Daniel

BVE is a consumer show (where ignorance is bliss)... The R team
probably knows a bit more about Ambisonics. If the microphone is good
and affordable, then it'll be fun to "hack", unless obscurantism
(as a common industrial design pattern) makes it too difficult.
--
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Re: [Sursound] Sennheiser Easy 3D Recording and Modeling

[Courville, Daniel]

John Leonard wrote:

>2) It will deliver A-Format signals from electret capsules.
>
>5) They are developing their own suite of software. He seemed somewhat 
>surprised when I mentioned what was already available...

Let's hope that their hardware/software combo gives access to both the A and 
the B format stream, so that we can use software they seem to ignore the 
existence...

- Daniel
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Re: [Sursound] Sennheiser Easy 3D Recording and Modeling

[umashankar manthravadi]

But a tetrahedron set up as top and three sides – I built one like that too, on 
the surface of a hemisphere.

umashankar

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http://www.videomaker.com/videonews/2016/01/best-microphone-of-ces-2016-sennheiser-vr-mic

This says four caps. OK.

Le 16-01-25 08:17, Courville, Daniel a écrit :

>Le 16-01-25 08:00, Courville, Daniel a écrit :
>
>>From what we're seeing, the Ambeo mic looks like it has more then four 
>>capsules.
>
>Still not sure:
>
>http://static.videomaker.com/sites/videomaker.com/files/styles/blog_post_primary/public/videonews/2016/01/IMG_1524%20Cropped.jpg


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Re: [Sursound] Sennheiser Easy 3D Recording and Modeling

[Courville, Daniel]

http://www.videomaker.com/videonews/2016/01/best-microphone-of-ces-2016-sennheiser-vr-mic

This says four caps. OK.

Le 16-01-25 08:17, Courville, Daniel a écrit :

>Le 16-01-25 08:00, Courville, Daniel a écrit :
>
>>From what we're seeing, the Ambeo mic looks like it has more then four 
>>capsules. 
>
>Still not sure:
>
>http://static.videomaker.com/sites/videomaker.com/files/styles/blog_post_primary/public/videonews/2016/01/IMG_1524%20Cropped.jpg


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Re: [Sursound] Sennheiser Easy 3D Recording and Modeling

[Courville, Daniel]

http://content.jwplatform.com/previews/C05CXB7o-ERPbx32c




Interesting that in the video, the first word out of the Sennheiser 
representative is "Ambisonics".

>From what we're seeing, the Ambeo mic looks like it has more then four 
>capsules. One thing is sure, Sennheiser kept their Ambisonics cards close to 
>the chest...

Maybe now AKG will reconsider making their Ambisonics mic with triangular 
capsules...
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Re: [Sursound] Sennheiser Easy 3D Recording and Modeling

[umashankar manthravadi]

That is a tetrahedron! After all my struggles to making one, I can recognize it 
in sleep, in pitch darkness/

umashankar

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Le 16-01-25 08:00, Courville, Daniel a écrit :

>From what we're seeing, the Ambeo mic looks like it has more then four 
>capsules.

Still not sure:

http://static.videomaker.com/sites/videomaker.com/files/styles/blog_post_primary/public/videonews/2016/01/IMG_1524%20Cropped.jpg
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Re: [Sursound] Sennheiser Easy 3D Recording and Modeling

[Courville, Daniel]

Le 16-01-25 08:00, Courville, Daniel a écrit :

>From what we're seeing, the Ambeo mic looks like it has more then four 
>capsules. 

Still not sure:

http://static.videomaker.com/sites/videomaker.com/files/styles/blog_post_primary/public/videonews/2016/01/IMG_1524%20Cropped.jpg
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Re: [Sursound] Sennheiser Easy 3D Recording and Modeling

[David Pickett]

At 14:26 25-01-16, umashankar manthravadi wrote:
>
>But a tetrahedron set up as top and three sides ­ I buiilt one like
>that too, on the surface of a hemisphere.

Yes, and although the signals can fairly simply 
be converted to A format, there is a perhaps a 
difference in practical pick up and maybe this 
configuration actually gives better Ambisonic 
results than the SF mike.  Unlike the SF mike, it 
is completely "symmetrical" in the horizontal and vertical planes.


David

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Re: [Sursound] Sennheiser Easy 3D Recording and Modeling

[Dave Malham]

Yeah - I just pulled up the last image Daniel posted in Gimp and its
clearly a tetrahedron, albeit perhaps a bit wider spaced than is ideal.

   Dave

On 25 January 2016 at 13:24, umashankar manthravadi <umasha...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

> That is a tetrahedron! After all my struggles to making one, I can
> recognize it in sleep, in pitch darkness/
>
> umashankar
>
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>
> Le 16-01-25 08:00, Courville, Daniel a écrit :
>
> >From what we're seeing, the Ambeo mic looks like it has more then four
> capsules.
>
> Still not sure:
>
>
> http://static.videomaker.com/sites/videomaker.com/files/styles/blog_post_primary/public/videonews/2016/01/IMG_1524%20Cropped.jpg
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Re: [Sursound] Sennheiser Easy 3D Recording and Modeling

[Courville, Daniel]

Le 16-01-25 08:00, Courville, Daniel a écrit :

>http://content.jwplatform.com/previews/C05CXB7o-ERPbx32c

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmYHgzCdXi8

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Re: [Sursound] Sennheiser Easy 3D Recording and Modeling

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- Original Message - Subject: Re: [Sursound] Sennheiser Easy 3D 
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Date: 1/25/16 8:08 am
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At 14:21 25-01-16, Courville, Daniel wrote:
 >
 >http://www.videomaker.com/videonews/2016/01/best-microphone-of-ces-201
 >6-sennheiser-vr-mic
 >
 >This says four caps. OK.
 >

 If that's the case, it looks like a copy of the SF Mike. How can the 
 article say: "This is the first VR Mic we've seen..." ?



 Perhaps because it's written by someone very young and inexperienced?
 
Or perhaps because the lay person doesn't equate "VR" with "surround."
 
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Re: [Sursound] Sennheiser Easy 3D Recording and Modeling

[Stefan Schreiber]

(Sorry, 2nd posting should look better...)

Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote:


On 01/06/2016 06:36 PM, Courville, Daniel wrote:


« Sennheiser realizes that content is king and that for any new
technology to gain traction, it must be easy to develop in.
Sennheiser is therefore looking to help content creators take
advantage of their 3D audio platform with easy-to-use recording and
modeling tools.

...

From
http://www.techhive.com/article/3019706/home-audio/sennheiser-launches-new-flagship-headphones-the-hd-800-s-and-moves-into-the-3d-audio-space-with-amb.html 






Too bad they kicked the Eigenmike guys out :-D
Those who do not understand spherical harmonics have to reinvent it...


Did they (kick), or didn't they?
http://www.digitaltrends.com/home-theater/dr-andreas-sennheiser-interview-ambeo-vr-3d-surround-sound-ces/#/6 




There’s playback in 9.1, there’s playback over headphones, there’s 
recording with VR mics which capture the sound from the signal source 
(???) , and there’s recordings which capture the < sphere > (aha... 
;-) ) differently. Ambeo is a stream of different technologies and 
configurations




Another major element of the system is the hardware used to capture 
it. For the recording side, Sennheiser has partnered with hallowed 
microphone company Neumann, but it has also developed its own 
hardware, including a line-array microphone comprised of 31 individual 
capsules — the individual elements that capture sound — as well as a 
little multi-capsule ambisonic directional mic (below) of which only a 
few exist in the world right now.



If you look to the video: Is this a new form of (spherical array) HOA 
microphone?


(It doesn't look like an Eigenmike.)

“Atmos, for instance, is another format which is certainly optimized 
for film, for effects,” he said. “And our format is optimized for 
music. So we’re really focused on how people perceive music, and all 
the little elements — not just to have the biggest wow effect, but to 
make the music sound as natural as possible.”



Fair enough, I would say.

Now comments about the < VR mike >...


« On the capture front, Sennheiser will feature a virtual-reality


microphone. Unlike traditional microphone designs, the new mic will
capture high-quality audio in four quadrants. Sennheiser says the mic
was designed in coordination with VR content producers. The VR mic is
scheduled to launch in the third quarter of 2016. In 2017, Sennheiser
will ship a software plug-in that will be bundled with the same mic
for VR content post-production. »







Luvly : "audio in four quadrants"
my latest composition has sea noises in three tridents,

at least 'three hundred and sixty degrees' sounds less (?)tautologous.


(Michael)

I fully agree! A "four quadrant mike" might sound impressing for some 
"VR journalists" or cheerleaders, but not for us. This expression is 
unclear, to say the least. (Could be a form of IRT Cross, or anything 
tetrahedral... )


Sennheiser/Neumann should abstain from any such PR speech, IMO. (They 
don't have to cheat. :-D )



Best regards,

Stefan


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Re: [Sursound] Sennheiser Easy 3D Recording and Modeling

[Stefan Schreiber]

Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote:


On 01/06/2016 06:36 PM, Courville, Daniel wrote:


« Sennheiser realizes that content is king and that for any new
technology to gain traction, it must be easy to develop in.
Sennheiser is therefore looking to help content creators take
advantage of their 3D audio platform with easy-to-use recording and
modeling tools.

...

From
http://www.techhive.com/article/3019706/home-audio/sennheiser-launches-new-flagship-headphones-the-hd-800-s-and-moves-into-the-3d-audio-space-with-amb.html 





Too bad they kicked the Eigenmike guys out :-D
Those who do not understand spherical harmonics have to reinvent it...

Did they (kick), or didn't they?


http://www.digitaltrends.com/home-theater/dr-andreas-sennheiser-interview-ambeo-vr-3d-surround-sound-ces/#/6

There’s playback in 9.1, there’s playback over headphones, there’s 
recording with VR mics which capture the sound from the signal source 
(??? ;-), and there’s recordings which capture the < sphere >  (aha... 
;-) ) differently. Ambeo is a stream of different technologies and 
configurations





Another major element of the system is the hardware used to capture 
it. For the recording side, Sennheiser has partnered with hallowed 
microphone company Neumann, but it has also developed its own 
hardware, including a line-array microphone comprised of 31 individual 
capsules — the individual elements that capture sound — as well as a 
little multi-capsule ambisonic directional mic (below) of which only a 
few exist in the world right now.




If you look to the video: Is this a new form of (spherical array) HOA 
microphone?


(It doesn't look like an Eigenmike.)

“Atmos, for instance, is another format which is certainly optimized 
for film, for effects,” he said. “And our format is optimized for 
music. So we’re really focused on how people perceive music, and all 
the little elements — not just to have the biggest wow effect, but to 
make the music sound as natural as possible.”




Fair enough, I would say.

Now comments about the < VR mike >...


« On the capture front, Sennheiser will feature a virtual-reality

microphone. Unlike traditional microphone designs, the new mic will
capture high-quality audio in four quadrants. Sennheiser says the mic
was designed in coordination with VR content producers. The VR mic is
scheduled to launch in the third quarter of 2016. In 2017, Sennheiser
will ship a software plug-in that will be bundled with the same mic
for VR content post-production. »





Luvly : "audio in four quadrants"
my latest composition has sea noises in three tridents,

at least 'three hundred and sixty degrees' sounds less (?)tautologous.


(Michael)

I fully agree! A "four quadrant mike" might sound impressing for some 
"VR journalists" or cheerleaders, but not for us. This expression is 
unclear, to say the least. (Could be a form of IRT Cross, or anything 
tetrahedral... )


Sennheiser/Neumann should abstain from any such PR speech, IMO. (They 
don't have  to cheat.  :-D )



Best regards,

Stefan



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Re: [Sursound] Sennheiser Easy 3D Recording and Modeling

[Jörn Nettingsmeier]

On 01/06/2016 06:36 PM, Courville, Daniel wrote:

« Sennheiser realizes that content is king and that for any new
technology to gain traction, it must be easy to develop in.
Sennheiser is therefore looking to help content creators take
advantage of their 3D audio platform with easy-to-use recording and
modeling tools.

On the capture front, Sennheiser will feature a virtual-reality
microphone. Unlike traditional microphone designs, the new mic will
capture high-quality audio in four quadrants. Sennheiser says the mic
was designed in coordination with VR content producers. The VR mic is
scheduled to launch in the third quarter of 2016. In 2017, Sennheiser
will ship a software plug-in that will be bundled with the same mic
for VR content post-production. »

From
http://www.techhive.com/article/3019706/home-audio/sennheiser-launches-new-flagship-headphones-the-hd-800-s-and-moves-into-the-3d-audio-space-with-amb.html



Too bad they kicked the Eigenmike guys out :-D
Those who do not understand spherical harmonics have to reinvent it...

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