[biofuel] Coconut Oil etc.
Hello All, Am researching the making bio-diesel from coconut oil with a fairly low tech small scale (possibly community based process in PNG) where the coconut flesh is first finely grated, then mixed with the juice, then cold pressed to produce an emulsion. This is then heated (not boiled) to separate out the oil which is then decanted off, filtered, and trans-esterified. Am wondering whether the remaining liquid would have sufficient carbohydrate content for it to be used as feedstock for ethanol production. Anyone with ideas/knowledge on the subject. Comments would be extremely welcome. Hanns Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Gathering Materials
I want to make ethanol from newspaper, something I have in rather abundant supply, I was wondering if anyone knowes where I can get the enzymes to change the cellulose to glucose. Thanx, Buddy Here are a couple of links you can try: http://www.enzymedevelopment.com/cellulas.html http://www.deerland-enzymes.com/cellulase4000.html I think you'll find this approach rather expensive right now, but good luck! robert luis rabello Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Gathering Materials
robert luis rabello wrote: I want to make ethanol from newspaper, something I have in rather abundant supply, I was wondering if anyone knowes where I can get the enzymes to change the cellulose to glucose. Thanx, Buddy Here are a couple of links you can try: http://www.enzymedevelopment.com/cellulas.htm http://www.deerland-enzymes.com/cellulase4000.htm I think you'll find this approach rather expensive right now, but good luck! robert luis rabello Sorry about that. . . The links won't work if the l is on the end of html. robert [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Message: 9 Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 08:17:57 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Remove me from mail list Please remove me from the mail list. I've received 30-40 emails about some silly argument over socialism, I've better things to do with my time. Some is definitely the weakest link-Goodbye Tim Yes, this list does occasionally get pretty thick with the political stuff. It's part of the nature of the community. I'm no different, I've been guilty of the same kind of behavior myself. Before you unsubscribe try this; Go to the yahoogroups website, sign in, bring up your biofuel page, click on edit membership and change your delivery preference from individual emails to daily digest. That way instead of getting 40-50 messages a day you'll get one or two big ones which you can page through much more quickly. That's how I do it. Or, you can change your preference to no email and just go through them on the website. That way you won't have anything in your inbox, and you can pick the messages and threads that interest you and ignore the ones that don't. -- Aviation is more than a hobby. It is more than a job. It is more than a career. Aviation is a way of life. A second language for the world: www.esperanto.org Processor cycles are a terrible thing to waste. www.distributed.net Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] More about methane :-)
Maybe the government needs to find ways to use biofuels on farm animals to reduce emissions. What is wrong with the people in our governments? Do they not have a clue as to what is going on? And I thought things were getting bad here in the U.S. O.K., I've gotten it out of my system, I just remembered we elected these dummies. Ron - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 7:35 AM Subject: [biofuel] More about methane :-) http://www.spacedaily.com/news/010520103041.1y4o72zc.html SPACE WIRE Tax on flatulent animals could cost NZ farmers a packet WELLINGTON (AFP) May 20, 2001 A flatulence tax proposed to offset the damage to the ozone layer by farm animal gases could cost New Zealand farmers up to five billion NZ dollars (2.1 billion US), a report said Sunday. The proposal is included in the government's policy on climate change, aimed at complying with the Kyoto Protocol guidelines to reduce greenhouse gases, the Sunday Star-Times reported. The government is looking at taxing farmers between four and 60 NZ dollars for each cow and sheep they own, because of the dangerous gases the animals produce through dung, urine and flatulence. Nitrous oxide from dung and urine, and methane from flatulence, are blamed for damaging the ozone layer and contributing to global warming. New Zealand has nearly 47 million sheep and 10 million beef and dairy cattle. While New Zealand contributes only 0.2 percent of world greenhouse gas emissions, 55 percent of that comes from methane and nitous oxide in agricultural soil. The tax proposal suggests that the government could reap between two and five billion NZ dollars from the levy on farm animals between 2008 and 2012. Farmers are baffled about how to remedy natural animal behaviour and say the tax could make farming uneconomic. But cabinet minister Pete Hodgson, who is responsible for the government's climate change policy, denied Sunday that a tax was being considered, saying research was the way to go. Research into livestock digestion and pasture composition may deliver the double benefit of reducing emissions while improving the efficiency of the animals conversion of food to bodyweight, he said in a statement. Federated Farmers president Alastair Polson said the tax move -- if it went ahead -- was a significant shift in the tax burden to the productive economy. The federation argues that any reduction in emissions New Zealand could make were so small in a global sense that the cost of achieving them would outweigh the benefits. It will soon release a discussion paper on the proposed tax. The government aims to introduce climate change legislation by the end of the year, which would lead to the ratification of the protocol by mid-2002. All rights reserved. © 2000 Agence France-Presse. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: Stills - was Re: [biofuel] Using the archives
Thanks for the honesty, it goes a long way these days. Ron - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 7:36 AM Subject: Stills - was Re: [biofuel] Using the archives Keith, I went to the archives and found Robert Warrens paper on stills he had designed but I can't get his e-mail address. I would like to purchase the plans he spoke about. Could you help me? I really need to get this going soon. Thanks, Ron [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Ron Oh dear. If you'd searched a bit further you'd've found out why we dropped both that still and its promoter from our website. To be brief, it's a no-no. It won't live up to his claims for it, it doesn't do the job, and independent experts have warned that it's dangerous. The plans are unclear, the directions for building it are most confused and contradictory, the parts list is wrong, and impossible to fit to the directions and the plans, and the instructions for use are, well, benighted. Like the rest of it. I think the paper you found may have been my rework of Warren's confused material, which I did to try to help people who'd already bought the plans (but I couldn't guarantee the results of my work on it). Forget it. Really, that's the best advice. I know it looks tempting, but you'll just waste your money and your time. We managed to find only ONE person, out of more than 60 who'd bought Warren's plans, who actually got the thing working, but the performance was poor. He got much better results out of a StillMaker. You'd be better off scaling up a StillMaker. Bob Lennon, the designer, told me there's no problem in scaling it up. Meanwhile other designs are in the pipeline, very promising, but not ready yet. Sorry, Ron. Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 12:42 AM Subject: [biofuel] Using the archives Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: Stills - was Re: [biofuel] Using the archives
The Mother Earth article I found on the net looked very simular to the Mathewson article. - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 12:13 PM Subject: Re: Stills - was Re: [biofuel] Using the archives Hi Ron Thanks for the honesty, it goes a long way these days. :-) The trouble is the performance claims for that still are just about right for a fuel still - 180-190 proof first time every time, 5 gal/hr or more. But all available evidence says that's all they are, empty claims. Currently, there doesn't seem to be a real still available in that performance range. People are aware of it, and working on it, but it's taking time. Just as soon as there are some results the list will know about it. Until then, there's not much I can offer, I'm very sorry to say. Well, there is one thing. I haven't yet finished scanning the Mother Earth Alcohol Manual, and the next section is about stills, which could help. I'll try to do it as soon as I can, but we're a bit overloaded right now. Patience, Ron! Best Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Ron - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 7:36 AM Subject: Stills - was Re: [biofuel] Using the archives Keith, I went to the archives and found Robert Warrens paper on stills he had designed but I can't get his e-mail address. I would like to purchase the plans he spoke about. Could you help me? I really need to get this going soon. Thanks, Ron [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Ron Oh dear. If you'd searched a bit further you'd've found out why we dropped both that still and its promoter from our website. To be brief, it's a no-no. It won't live up to his claims for it, it Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Fwd: Motorists May Turn to Ethanol
From: steve spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Energy - WebConX [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Motorists May Turn to Ethanol Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 14:01:01 -0400 **This is a mailing from the Renewable Energy Online Newsletter** see http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm for more info. Motorists May Turn to Ethanol Saturday May 19, 5:45 PM EDT By Michael Ellis DETROIT (Reuters) - Sickened by record high gasoline prices, more than 1 million American motorists driving flexible-fuel vehicles can instead fill up with a cheaper mix of gasoline and ethanol, a renewable resource made from corn. Problem is, many people don't realize they own cars or trucks that can run on both unleaded gasoline and E85, a federally subsidized blend of 85 percent ethanol and 15 percent gasoline. Over the last three years, General Motors Corp., Ford Motor Co. and DaimlerChrysler AG have built an estimated 1.2 million cars and trucks fitted with flexible fuel systems to help the automakers meet stringent fuel-economy standards. The price of regular grade unleaded gasoline has soared in some Midwestern states, to as high as $1.96 a gallon on average in Illinois, second only to California's $2.01 a gallon, according to the American Automobile Association. Some industry observers fear prices could rise to $3 a gallon this summer. Conversely, the average price of E85 ethanol-gas mix is about $1.65 in the Midwest states, according to the industry trade publication Oxy-Fuel News. But because there are fewer than 200 fueling stations selling E85 across the United States, most in the corn-growing states of the Midwest, automakers have been reluctant to market the vehicles aggressively. The customer may order an ethanol-compatible vehicle without knowing it, said Sharon Bedley-Parham, assistant brand manager for alternative fuel vehicles with General Motors. President Bush's energy report released on Thursday acknowledged the lack of ethanol use at the nation's pumps, but added that further study must be done to promote its use. Flexible-fuel vehicles are able to run on standard gasoline, or E85, or a mixture of the two. The system is fitted as standard, at no extra charge, on many versions of some of the most popular-selling vehicles, including the Ford Taurus mid-size car, DaimlerChrysler's Dodge, Chrysler and Plymouth minivans and GM's Chevrolet Tahoe and Suburban large sport utility vehicles. Discriminating drivers may notice a peppier performance since E85 has a higher octane rating than regular unleaded gasoline, and a sweeter-smelling exhaust. But otherwise, there is almost no perceptible difference. GAS-GUZZLING TRUCKS Before gasoline prices spiked higher, even those living near filling stations selling E85 had little incentive to fill up with ethanol. That has led some environmental groups to deride programs supporting E85 and other alternative fuels such as compressed natural gas and methanol, charging that they simply allow automakers to sell more gas-guzzling SUVs. Flex-fuel vehicles, from our view, are a fraud, said Howard Geller, former executive director of the American Council for an Energy-Efficient Economy, which publishes the annual Green Book environmental guide to cars and trucks. To lessen America's dependence on foreign oil, the U.S. government established corporate average fuel economy (CAFE) ratings that mandated an automaker's car fleet must average 27.5 miles per gallon, or 20.7 mpg for pickup trucks, SUVs and minivans. Automakers receive special CAFE credits for alternative-fuel vehicles, which they can apply to their fleet ratings. Even if the owners of the flexible-fuel vehicles never fill their tank with ethanol, the vehicles help raise the automakers' average CAFE ratings. John DeCicco, a senior fellow at the research firm Environmental Defense, said the alternative fuel credits only contribute to more gasoline use. I think the country really needs to rethink its alternative fuel policy, he said. CORN-FED CARS However, rising gas prices are now starting to make E85 an economical alternative, particularly in Minnesota, where 57 filling stations selling ethanol are located. About 10 are located in the Chicago area, and more are expected in Milwaukee and Denver. Since the engines in the flexible-fuel vehicles are calibrated to burn gasoline most efficiently, and ethanol contains less energy than gasoline, flexible-fuel vehicles tend to get about 5 or 6 percent less mileage using E85, said Phil Lampert, executive director of the National Ethanol Vehicle Coalition. Now with higher gas prices, ethanol becomes a viable form of fuel, Lampert said. ©2001 Reuters Limited. -- noncommercial use only Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We
Re: Stills - was Re: [biofuel] Using the archives
ronald miller sr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Mother Earth article I found on the net looked very simular to the Mathewson article. You mean in our Biofuels library? I don't think they're very similar, inevitable overlap but lots of differences. And the Mother Earth section on stills isn't there yet, as well as some other stuff. ME's stills are quite big. They're both complete books, by the way. Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 12:13 PM Subject: Re: Stills - was Re: [biofuel] Using the archives Hi Ron Thanks for the honesty, it goes a long way these days. :-) The trouble is the performance claims for that still are just about right for a fuel still - 180-190 proof first time every time, 5 gal/hr or more. But all available evidence says that's all they are, empty claims. Currently, there doesn't seem to be a real still available in that performance range. People are aware of it, and working on it, but it's taking time. Just as soon as there are some results the list will know about it. Until then, there's not much I can offer, I'm very sorry to say. Well, there is one thing. I haven't yet finished scanning the Mother Earth Alcohol Manual, and the next section is about stills, which could help. I'll try to do it as soon as I can, but we're a bit overloaded right now. Patience, Ron! Best Keith Addison Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] unscribe
arghh Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: Mark Seeloff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 3:42 PM Subject: [biofuel] unscribe Please unscribe from the biofuel group. Mark Seeloff _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] GE oilseeds - was RE: Palm and coconut oil
Hi Mike, I was quoting from From the fryer to the fuel tank but I do know their was a research group here in Cambridge doing work on algae some years ago. I will try and find out more from my university contacts. bob - Original Message - From: Mike Brownstone [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 8:03 AM Subject: RE: [biofuel] GE oilseeds - was RE: Palm and coconut oil Here, here Bob, I've been thinking about this for a while now ( I like the idea of algae farms ). Can you, perhaps refer me to more information. You know, which are the best to use, conditions of growing etc.. Mike -Original Message- From: bob golding [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 1:27 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] GE oilseeds - was RE: Palm and coconut oil If you look at the yields from oil bearing algae compared to soybean or rape, that is the best area to throw the technology at rather than improving current crop yields,and pushing bio-diesel further into the clutches of M--s--t- and Ca-g--l and the like Oil,grain,soybeans, it's all the same to them. The beauty of bio-diesel as I see it is that it doesn't need large corporations to make it work. It can be produced locally and sold locally. Economies of scale is usually a euphemism for larger profits for the few. It doesn't have to be that way with boid. With petro diesel you can't just go out and drill for it. You have to invest billions in exploration, so the oil companies keep telling us when asked to justify their 3 million pounds a hour or whatever. This may be true ,but their motivation is profit for their shareholders, not can I take less from the enviroment This does not strike me as a sustainable system. If you don't think this is true just ask anyone in Southern Nigeria or Columbia. cheers bob golding - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2001 5:47 PM Subject: [biofuel] GE oilseeds - was RE: Palm and coconut oil Joseph Martelle wrote: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield.html Vegetable oil yields tables: Journey to Forever What about that Jerusalem artichoke I've read about? Fairly high yielding? Not even on the table - loads of carbohydrates (not starch), but not a lot of oil. Good for ethanol though. What we need is for those genetic engineers to to start looking at soybean, rapeseed, peanut, or other oil producing plant and modifying the genome to produce more oil than fruit.Can you imagine doubling or tripling the oil yeild from rapeseed or soybeans? Has anyone even considered research in this area? Dunno, maybe. But most of it so far seems tied either to securing a market sector or to securing sales of associated products (eg herbicides). One looks hard for success stories. RR (Roundup-Ready) herbicide-resistant soybeans are losing their resistance (leading to increased use of herbicides, up to 30% more than with non-GE soy, instead of the decreased use we were promised) as well as their yields - yields are sagging badly. One doesn't have to look too hard for outright failures (Starlink), and for side-effects we were promised and assured were impossible but they're now happening anyway. And of course the whole technology as it applies to food has lost its consumer acceptance - I don't think it's the technology itself people don't trust, it's the companies doing it. These folks don't have a good record with this kind of stuff, nor with anything else much. So I'm sure what you suggest is possible (what isn't these days?) but would it work out right? And with what unforeseen costs? Anyway, if you look through the amazing history of crop development over the last four millenia or so, you end up very impressed with the capabilities of traditional plant breeding through selection. It works, it's safe, and the benefits are widespread and permanent. Modern plant-breeding has produced nothing to equal the banana, said a modern plant-breeder. The banana is a man-made hybrid, produced a couple of thousand years ago, by all accounts. It can't reproduce itself, all bananas are propagated by hand and always have been. Wherever Europeans went discovering new (to them) parts of the world, the banana was there before them. It's of immense benefit to billions of people. Really first-class science. I'm not knocking GE, it's an immensely promising field, it's a huge pity (?) that its development is in the hands of these wisdomless dumbos who've given us so much else to be less than thankful for. A frequent question on the list (but recently, regarding newspapers) is ethanol production from cellulose, a technology that it seems just isn't there yet, despite all sorts of promising start-ups and so on. More info here: Ethanol resources on
Re: [biofuel] My first 80 litre batch
Ive just put the second stage in for wash. It was much lighter in colour and much thinner than the first, but quite murky. In the water its turned murkier. See what its like in the morning. Ian - Original Message - From: ian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 10:11 AM Subject: [biofuel] My first 80 litre batch Hi all. Well, I finally did the first large batch yesterday. Using alecs' 'foolproof' method. I think i messed up big time. My system worked perfectly although it took nearly 2 hrs to filter the oil. My mix was 80% liquid veggie and 20% solid veggie. 80 litres in total. I heated it all up to 100oC until i could get no more water from it, (there wasnt much). I sucked it thru the filter (). got the temp to 55oC then added 8 litres of methanol. 5 mins later added 80ml 98 proof sulphuric. I then mixed for 55 mins then stopped heating. This is where i messed up. Going by Alecs, I gave the mixture 1hr 40 mins before adding the first half of methoxide (4 litres). But, wait for it, that was after the initial 55 mins :( . So, the base cat was working for 2hrs 35 mins. This morning, expecting the worst I opened the drain expecting thick dark gunge, it didnt happen, I got really murky mid brown oil, there was no seperation. So, i thought what the hell, heated up the whole mix to 55oC and added the final 4 litres of methoxide. Mixed for 10 mins stopped heating and stirring. Now all i can do is wait till 9 this evening to see what ive got. My caustic seemed rather white, so i mixed the methoxide using 280gms to 8 litres meth. Apart from my stupidity, the whole system was flawless, except i drew water in from back siphoning from the bubbler to the vacuum unit. Ive since put a one way valve in the system. The water didnt reach the mix it just filled up the liquid trap some. Any suggestions? Ian Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: Stills - was Re: [biofuel] Using the archives
Rectifier plate efficiencies and other info in MULTICOMPONENT DISTILLATION by Charles D. Holland pub by Prentice--Hall Ask librarian to get it for you on interlibrary loan. The book is about how you calculate the components to make a still that doesn't require running the product several times to get the desired purity. Kirk -Original Message- From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 6:36 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Stills - was Re: [biofuel] Using the archives Keith, I went to the archives and found Robert Warrens paper on stills he had designed but I can't get his e-mail address. I would like to purchase the plans he spoke about. Could you help me? I really need to get this going soon. Thanks, Ron [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Ron Oh dear. If you'd searched a bit further you'd've found out why we dropped both that still and its promoter from our website. To be brief, it's a no-no. It won't live up to his claims for it, it doesn't do the job, and independent experts have warned that it's dangerous. The plans are unclear, the directions for building it are most confused and contradictory, the parts list is wrong, and impossible to fit to the directions and the plans, and the instructions for use are, well, benighted. Like the rest of it. I think the paper you found may have been my rework of Warren's confused material, which I did to try to help people who'd already bought the plans (but I couldn't guarantee the results of my work on it). Forget it. Really, that's the best advice. I know it looks tempting, but you'll just waste your money and your time. We managed to find only ONE person, out of more than 60 who'd bought Warren's plans, who actually got the thing working, but the performance was poor. He got much better results out of a StillMaker. You'd be better off scaling up a StillMaker. Bob Lennon, the designer, told me there's no problem in scaling it up. Meanwhile other designs are in the pipeline, very promising, but not ready yet. Sorry, Ron. Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 12:42 AM Subject: [biofuel] Using the archives Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.252 / Virus Database: 125 - Release Date: 5/9/2001 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.252 / Virus Database: 125 - Release Date: 5/9/2001 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Fwd: Saving Gasoline and Money
I've heard stories about putting magnets on gas lines to improve fuel mileage for years, but I never tried it. I shall do so now. The author of the following article, Dr. James DeMeo, is an intelligent and credible fellow, and the cost of trying is insignificant. Per the link below this also works for petro-diesel, so perhaps for biodiesel and WVO also. Anyone else care to try this and give us feedback? Dick, perhaps magnets attached to the tubing might increase the effectiveness of foggers? - ...Warren Rekow Orgone Biophysical Research Lab [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.orgonelab.org Forwarded News Item Please copy and distribute to other interested individuals and groups ** As of today, I've got at least five or so emails from well-meaning folk organizing various gasoline station boycotts, car-free days, power-free days (candles only, please) and other ideas which from my thinking will have absolutely zero affect upon anything, except perhaps making people who participate in them feel a little better. I wish to remind OBRL-news subscribers of a very simple way to save from 5-15% on their automobile gasoline bill, by simply putting strong magnets on the gas line, close to where it enters the carbeurator or fuel-injector. Natural Energy Works formerly sold fancy magnetic fuel treatment devices which cost around $50, and you had to cut your fuel line to have them function. Later, I discovered these devices contained simple magnets with the south-seeking poles directed inward. So you don't have to buy such expensive devices, nor cut into your fuel line. You can put a few dollars of strong magnets on the outside of the existing fuel line, and tape them into place, with similar beneficial results. My Astrovan, a V-6, 4-wheel drive behemoth that is necessary for winter snow at the Greensprings Center, routinely gave around 17 mpg. With the magnets on, the boost was to around 20 mpg, or 3 additional mpg for an increase of around 15%. The magnitude of efficiency boosting seems to vary a bit from car to car, and from region to region. The magnets used are fairly strong rare-earth strontium ferroxide ceramic magnets which will pinch your fingers (Ouch!) if you are not careful, and four of them are enough for a single fuel-line for one car. Any similar strong magnet will work. Two of them are stacked together on one side of the fuel line, with another two stacked magnets on the opposite side of the line, secured in place with multiple wrappings of black electrical tape. Simple! Double fuel-lines for dual injectors need eight magnets. They sell for around $1 each. Thats a total of eight bucks maximum, plus a few cents for the tape, or an additional $2 for a hose clamp, if you wish to have something more secure than the tape. That's a total cost of around $10 for saving from 5-15% on your gasoline bill, which today can pay for itself in about two or three tank-fulls. Like the orgone accumulator, it is too simple for most people to believe, so most people don't, but they will plunk down $150 for some other gadget that has a lot of slick brochures and MLM hysteria standing behind them. Open up those $150 devices (for fuel or water treatment) and in many cases you still have the same $4 worth of magnets. You can get the magnets at any Radio Shack, but they have to be stronger than simple refrigerator magnets, strong enough to pinch your skin if you are not careful. Otherwise the field won't penetrate into the fuel line. Get them whereever you want, but Natural Energy Works has been selling these simple strong magnets for years, available in sets of 10 for $10 plus $7 USA-Canada shipping, along with a little book on the subject for $12.95. The same effect works also on your propane or natural gas stove or furnace, when magnets are added to the feed lines just before the burners or combustion chambers. Check out the following web site for more information, and also the link recently added that provides the results of scientific studies backing up the magnetic effect. http://www.orgonelab.org/xpmagnet.htm Let's face it, Americans are the biggest energy hogs of the world, and our political leadership have been fiddling while Rome burned, totally failing us for years, on both sides of the political spectrum. Here's something you can do, today, which will directly benefit yourself, and allow you to walk a bit softer on Mother Earth. Boycot Exxon, walk to work and read by candle-light, if you wish, but a lot more can be done with clever considerations, and quite inexpensively. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] GE oilseeds - was RE: Palm and coconut oil
Hi Ron, I don't know about Alabama but in the UK Cargills have the largest, the only, oil processing plant in Europe for making Soya oil, so I suspect it is the same there.They do seem to have the market pretty well stitched up. I don't know if soybean is a good crop for ethanol production, I would have thought not ,but this is not based on any knowledge so don't take it as gospel. cheers bob - Original Message - From: ronald miller sr [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 1:35 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] GE oilseeds - was RE: Palm and coconut oil Bob, Is there any info out there regarding soybeans for ethanol use. We grow millions of pounds here in Alabama Thanks, Ron Miller - Original Message - From: bob golding [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2001 6:26 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] GE oilseeds - was RE: Palm and coconut oil If you look at the yields from oil bearing algae compared to soybean or rape, that is the best area to throw the technology at rather than improving current crop yields,and pushing bio-diesel further into the clutches of M--s--t- and Ca-g--l and the like Oil,grain,soybeans, it's all the same to them. The beauty of bio-diesel as I see it is that it doesn't need large corporations to make it work. It can be produced locally and sold locally. Economies of scale is usually a euphemism for larger profits for the few. It doesn't have to be that way with boid. With petro diesel you can't just go out and drill for it. You have to invest billions in exploration, so the oil companies keep telling us when asked to justify their 3 million pounds a hour or whatever. This may be true ,but their motivation is profit for their shareholders, not can I take less from the enviroment This does not strike me as a sustainable system. If you don't think this is true just ask anyone in Southern Nigeria or Columbia. cheers bob golding - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2001 5:47 PM Subject: [biofuel] GE oilseeds - was RE: Palm and coconut oil Joseph Martelle wrote: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield.html Vegetable oil yields tables: Journey to Forever What about that Jerusalem artichoke I've read about? Fairly high yielding? Not even on the table - loads of carbohydrates (not starch), but not a lot of oil. Good for ethanol though. What we need is for those genetic engineers to to start looking at soybean, rapeseed, peanut, or other oil producing plant and modifying the genome to produce more oil than fruit.Can you imagine doubling or tripling the oil yeild from rapeseed or soybeans? Has anyone even considered research in this area? Dunno, maybe. But most of it so far seems tied either to securing a market sector or to securing sales of associated products (eg herbicides). One looks hard for success stories. RR (Roundup-Ready) herbicide-resistant soybeans are losing their resistance (leading to increased use of herbicides, up to 30% more than with non-GE soy, instead of the decreased use we were promised) as well as their yields - yields are sagging badly. One doesn't have to look too hard for outright failures (Starlink), and for side-effects we were promised and assured were impossible but they're now happening anyway. And of course the whole technology as it applies to food has lost its consumer acceptance - I don't think it's the technology itself people don't trust, it's the companies doing it. These folks don't have a good record with this kind of stuff, nor with anything else much. So I'm sure what you suggest is possible (what isn't these days?) but would it work out right? And with what unforeseen costs? Anyway, if you look through the amazing history of crop development over the last four millenia or so, you end up very impressed with the capabilities of traditional plant breeding through selection. It works, it's safe, and the benefits are widespread and permanent. Modern plant-breeding has produced nothing to equal the banana, said a modern plant-breeder. The banana is a man-made hybrid, produced a couple of thousand years ago, by all accounts. It can't reproduce itself, all bananas are propagated by hand and always have been. Wherever Europeans went discovering new (to them) parts of the world, the banana was there before them. It's of immense benefit to billions of people. Really first-class science. I'm not knocking GE, it's an immensely promising field, it's a huge pity (?) that its development is in the hands of these wisdomless dumbos who've given us so much else to be less than thankful for. A frequent question on the list (but recently, regarding newspapers) is ethanol
RE: [biofuel] the government, and why they dont care
I think soon they will make the suggestion-- if they could only burn that high sulfur coal that is so plentiful then they could solve the crises. Just accept a little more air pollution for the greater good. The ruling class is made of sociopaths by and large IMO Kirk -Original Message- From: eric almanzan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 1:54 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] the government, and why they dont care why on earth would the government want to switch over to biofuels?? petroleum provides an insane amount of money for the government, and it controls the government because of it. Special interests of the government take priority. You must create an energy crisis, and raise gas prices. You must claim that conservation is not the key to stopping the problem, but building more power plants to create more revenue for the filthy rich. There is absolutely no interest in conservation. Look at it this way. the earth is going to run out of fossil fuels eventually. if they can develop alternative technoligies, and put them aside for 75-100 years until all the oil is gone, then invest in the alternative technoligies, thus ensuring their monopoly. its really pathetic that those filthy rich are willing to do anything to increase their wealth __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.252 / Virus Database: 125 - Release Date: 5/9/2001 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.252 / Virus Database: 125 - Release Date: 5/9/2001 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Fwd: Saving Gasoline and Money
Um, uh, guys? what have you all been smoking? magnets on gas lines (and water lines) is right up there with ceramic laundry disks. really Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: Warren Rekow [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 4:15 PM Subject: [biofuel] Fwd: Saving Gasoline and Money I've heard stories about putting magnets on gas lines to improve fuel mileage for years, but I never tried it. I shall do so now. The author of the following article, Dr. James DeMeo, is an intelligent and credible fellow, and the cost of trying is insignificant. Per the link below this also works for petro-diesel, so perhaps for biodiesel and WVO also. Anyone else care to try this and give us feedback? Dick, perhaps magnets attached to the tubing might increase the effectiveness of foggers? - ...Warren Rekow Orgone Biophysical Research Lab [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.orgonelab.org Forwarded News Item Please copy and distribute to other interested individuals and groups ** As of today, I've got at least five or so emails from well-meaning folk organizing various gasoline station boycotts, car-free days, power-free days (candles only, please) and other ideas which from my thinking will have absolutely zero affect upon anything, except perhaps making people who participate in them feel a little better. I wish to remind OBRL-news subscribers of a very simple way to save from 5-15% on their automobile gasoline bill, by simply putting strong magnets on the gas line, close to where it enters the carbeurator or fuel-injector. Natural Energy Works formerly sold fancy magnetic fuel treatment devices which cost around $50, and you had to cut your fuel line to have them function. Later, I discovered these devices contained simple magnets with the south-seeking poles directed inward. So you don't have to buy such expensive devices, nor cut into your fuel line. You can put a few dollars of strong magnets on the outside of the existing fuel line, and tape them into place, with similar beneficial results. My Astrovan, a V-6, 4-wheel drive behemoth that is necessary for winter snow at the Greensprings Center, routinely gave around 17 mpg. With the magnets on, the boost was to around 20 mpg, or 3 additional mpg for an increase of around 15%. The magnitude of efficiency boosting seems to vary a bit from car to car, and from region to region. The magnets used are fairly strong rare-earth strontium ferroxide ceramic magnets which will pinch your fingers (Ouch!) if you are not careful, and four of them are enough for a single fuel-line for one car. Any similar strong magnet will work. Two of them are stacked together on one side of the fuel line, with another two stacked magnets on the opposite side of the line, secured in place with multiple wrappings of black electrical tape. Simple! Double fuel-lines for dual injectors need eight magnets. They sell for around $1 each. Thats a total of eight bucks maximum, plus a few cents for the tape, or an additional $2 for a hose clamp, if you wish to have something more secure than the tape. That's a total cost of around $10 for saving from 5-15% on your gasoline bill, which today can pay for itself in about two or three tank-fulls. Like the orgone accumulator, it is too simple for most people to believe, so most people don't, but they will plunk down $150 for some other gadget that has a lot of slick brochures and MLM hysteria standing behind them. Open up those $150 devices (for fuel or water treatment) and in many cases you still have the same $4 worth of magnets. You can get the magnets at any Radio Shack, but they have to be stronger than simple refrigerator magnets, strong enough to pinch your skin if you are not careful. Otherwise the field won't penetrate into the fuel line. Get them whereever you want, but Natural Energy Works has been selling these simple strong magnets for years, available in sets of 10 for $10 plus $7 USA-Canada shipping, along with a little book on the subject for $12.95. The same effect works also on your propane or natural gas stove or furnace, when magnets are added to the feed lines just before the burners or combustion chambers. Check out the following web site for more information, and also the link recently added that provides the results of scientific studies backing up the magnetic effect. http://www.orgonelab.org/xpmagnet.htm Let's face it, Americans are the biggest energy hogs of the world, and our political leadership have been fiddling while Rome
[biofuel] Biodiesel in a heating oil burner?
I have some questions. Does anyone know the answers, or where to look? 1)Can biodiesel be used in a modern heating oil burner? 2)Can it be blended with petroleum-based diesel and used in a modern heating oil burner? 3)Are there any particular types or brands of modern heating oil burner that can use biodiesel or a blend of biodiesel and petroleum- based diesel? Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Biodiesel in a heating oil burner?
I know a mechanic that heats his garage with waste motor oil. I would see if you couldn't burn the oil before it has been converted to biodiesel. If you live in an area where there is a reasonable amount of sunlight I think I would heat with that, at least 50% and save some oil for motoring. Also, if you burn biodiesel in an engine you can collect the heat from the engine and exhaust for heating purposes and generate electricity with the mechanical energy. That would be very cost effective. Kirk -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 3:52 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Biodiesel in a heating oil burner? I have some questions. Does anyone know the answers, or where to look? 1)Can biodiesel be used in a modern heating oil burner? 2)Can it be blended with petroleum-based diesel and used in a modern heating oil burner? 3)Are there any particular types or brands of modern heating oil burner that can use biodiesel or a blend of biodiesel and petroleum- based diesel? Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.252 / Virus Database: 125 - Release Date: 5/9/2001 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.252 / Virus Database: 125 - Release Date: 5/9/2001 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] the government, and why they dont care
Socialism failed so be it. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] the government, and why they dont care
Its called capitalism and its created the greatest country in the world! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Ecalene - Old news?
Power Energy Fuels, Inc. Leads the World In Waste-to-Ethanol Motor Fuel Conversion Source: Power Energy Fuels, Inc., Yahoo Finance 04/18 DENVER, April 17 /PRNewswire/ -- Imagine being able to take the huge amounts of waste created by farm animals -- millions of tons per day -- and turn that waste into a highly usable fuel ... all with a minimum amount of waste byproduct and a maximum amount of positive environmental impact. Impossible ... NO. The proprietary process and patented catalysts, which Brookhaven National Laboratory concluded is ``superior to all others,'' will convert (using a chemical process) major environmental pollutants, such as animal and municipal solid wastes, methane gas and plastics, into a fuel that has a higher octane than ethanol. The Power Energy process produces not only a superior product, but also approximately twice the production from identical waste sources of other competing systems. Power Energy Fuels, Inc., with head offices and manufacturing facilities located in the Denver, Colorado metropolitan area, has the exclusive worldwide rights to a proven, documented and demonstrated process that will convert any carbon based materials into a high grade ethanol fuel called Ecalene(TM). Ecalene(TM) can be cleanly burned in automobiles, trucks and fuel cells and is registered with the Environmental Protection Agency as a fuel additive. It is an effective and enhanced replacement for MTBE because MTBE is being banned from use after 2004. The portable conversion plants can be transported anywhere in the world, to clean the environment, and reduce the greenhouse effect. No other system can offer the mobility, flexibility, or profitability afforded by the Power Energy plants and technology. Waste to Ecalene(TM) Conversion/Revenue Rates: Source Amount Output Revenue Municipal Solid Waste 1 Ton 100 Gallons $140.00 per ton Stranded Natural Gas MCF 8.5 Gallons $11.90 MCF Coal Fines 1 Ton 130 Gallons $156.00 per ton Hog Manure 1 Ton 85 Gallons $119.00 per ton The U.S. Senate Environmental and Public Works Committee approved legislation (S. 2962) bans the use of MTBE by 2004. The banning of MTBE will triple the demand for ethanol (Ecalene(TM)) over the next ten years. The legislation has been amended to require the EPA to study how the elimination of the oxygen requirement impacts air quality. It also provides EPA with the authority to regulate on the basis of those studies to preserve the emissions benefits of Re-Formulated Gasoline (RFG). We expect the market for Ecalene(TM) to expand into many applications. Ecalene(TM) plants can be located anywhere, hence, fuel marketers can develop more retail pumps, dedicated to alternative fuels, since the supply is distributed closer to refineries and fuel distribution channels. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Why you should fit a MIL
Hi Paul, - Original Message - From: Paul Gobert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2001 9:37 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Why you should fit a MIL David, re Oil does not wear out, it justs becomes contaminated. If you are removing the contaminants just as fast as they are created your oil will last almost indefinitely. ** Entirely true. Was led to believe that oil is subject to two kinds of contamination, particulate and chemical. The bypass filter sounds like it will take care of the particulate contamination. Testing the oil should give an indication of the degree of chemical contamination. (fuel into oil,breakdown of oil additives etc) ** Again true. This is why you must use either P.O.A. or laboratory Fluids Analysis when going past the 5,000 or 10,000 km mark. P.O.A. will tell you with a degree of accuracy over 90% (generally 95 to 96% +) what the state of your oil is like and degree or % of contamination. To some degree this depends on the calibration of the unit and experience of the operator. That is why we only quote over 90%. (Please remember that accurate laboratory Fluids Analysis will give you results in ppm.). It (p.o.a.) is a 30 second test and by leaving a wide safety margin and testing regularly you can insure your oil is up to scratch, does not have major acid build up, and will still perform as per the manufacturers standards which are based on SAE, API, or other Intl standards and specifications. Accurate laboratory Fluids Analysis is the only way to get 100% reliable results and when used properly with a decent P.P.M scheme can establish a reliable wear pattern and using Trend Analysis can establish extremely reliable results. The difference is the cost and time period involved. Fluids Analysis gives you a breakdown in ppm for various metals and elements depending on the tests involved and upon analysis can give you reliable results which can be used for the timely replacement of various components and parts before they become major problems and cause excessive downtime. Many knowledgeable and experienced freight companies are now using this for greater reliability and to achieve much lower operating costs. P.O.A. on the other hand will not give you individual results for any of the metals or other elements but a result in terms of overall contamination which can be relied upon to give you a accurate statement of your oil condition. When the two are used in conjunction greater reliability and lower operating costs results. MIL-MAC as such does not have a scheme in place. They are a by-pass filter manufacturer who happen to make a good filter and whom I am working in with promoting and selling their product. On the otherhand I do and along with their filters I am trying to promote the use of P.O.A., Fluids Analysis, and PPM schemes. My '82 Hilux with 2L diesel engine is a particularly smokey performer hope to alleviate that with biodiesel in the future) and contaminates the oil heavily with carbon (rings aren't what they should be after 350,000km). Would a bypass filter remove this contamination and if not what would be the result continued buildup of the carbon with prolonged oil usage? ** Unfortunately you can not turn the clock back and the wear that exists is the major cause of the smoke although injectors may be and proably are a contributary factor. While a by-pass filter would double the life of the engine remaining it would not in my opinion be a wise investment as with a vehicle like this that is almost almost 20 years old it probably will not last that much longer. (probably 2 or 3 years at the most without major expebditure). While I could and would like to sell you a filter and it would remove almost all of the carbon in the oil it will not stop the oil getting past the rings into the combustion chamber which is probably causing the exhaust smoke. The only way you really know is when you know exactly how much oil the engine uses. If it uses virtually none or very little then get back in touch with me by all means. In my opinion you would be better to invest the money you would spend on a filter into a new vehicle and then instal a filter in this. Sorry if I sound pessimistic but I dont want to rip you off or be any impediment to your investing in a better vehicle. There are vehicles that should be off the road or are candidates for an engine replant and I expect your vehicles is rapidly heading that way. B.r., David Thanks, Paul. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] magnetic savings / alky + dyno / hard water / snipping
From: Warren Rekow [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Fwd: Saving Gasoline and Money I've heard stories about putting magnets on gas lines to improve fuel mileage for years Dick, perhaps magnets attached to the tubing might increase the effectiveness of foggers? *good post warren !! this magnet thing either works, or else is just more urban legend. both ways, it shouldn't be hard to check out, like checking out novak's baby was easy. *will come up with a test routine, and post when i have my numbers in, just like the fogger. *some questions snipped into the article : ...Later, I discovered these devices contained simple magnets with the south-seeking poles directed inward *besides floating one of them, and then comparing, is there some other method for determining a magnet's south that i am unaware of, or have forgotten ? The magnets used are fairly strong rare-earth strontium ferroxide ceramic magnets which will pinch your fingers (Ouch!) if you are not careful, and four of them are enough for a single fuel-line for one car. Any similar strong magnet will work *such as speaker magnets ? how do i determine if a magnet is strong enough for this application ? Like the orgone accumulator, it is too simple for most people to believe... *i know for a fact that something very similar to an 'orgone accumulator' works just fine, and does generate fuel savings at a reasonable cost. this lends credibility to this gent's thesis. You can get the magnets at any Radio Shack... *it would sure help to have a rs cat # or something more specific to go on. any chance of obtaining this ? rs is such a comfy one-stop place for all of these odds and ends, i find... ...Natural Energy Works has been selling these simple strong magnets for years, available in sets of 10 for $10 plus $7 USA-Canada shipping, along with a little book on the subject for $12.95. The same effect works also on your propane or natural gas stove or furnace, when magnets are added to the feed lines just before the burners or combustion chambers. *what shape and size are the magnets n.e.w. sells ? 12.95 for a booklet on why and how it works sounds a bit steep to me. thoughts on this ? *notice closeness to entry point is invariably stressed. is 'the closer the better', or will 'close enough' do ? *nice project for anybody willing to keep statistically significant tabs on fuel use. i for one will fit it into one of my ongoing projects, asap. *who knows, 7-11 % from the fogger, + 5-15 % from the magnets, plus a bit of meth in the gasoline, and maybe an h generator, and we might be looking at some significant savings here. i've got the fogger down pat, and am halfway there with the h generator, so all i need to do now is mix some meth into the gas, grab some magnets and run... *life is only bearable when dreams egg you on, methinks... A DAILY GAME My death and I play daily games, whence she reminds me of herself, whilst I keep focused on my elusive quest, paying but scant attention to her ways, too busy with dreams I need to claim, before time comes for our embrace. *thanks for helping me enlarge the scope of my dreaming, warren. *and pls excuse myn OT jingle... From: Paul Gobert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: water + alky / dino-svo + alky / auto tranny + svo / biod + svo Apace Technology in Australia developed an emulsifier that enabled the mixing of ethanol with dinodiesel. They were active some 20 years ago but don't know where it went from there. *thanks for the info paul. i have it that benzene will allow a certain ammount of water contaminated ethanol to mix with gasoline, but have yet to try this. what about meth/dyno ? the asuncion, paraguay municipality at one point was going to make 10% anhidrous (absolute) ethanol content mandatory in dyno used in buses and such, but the project flopped due to truck/bus owner's resistance. maybe the old rubber controversy...?? (bobeda, any chance you could stop lurking and explain the eth/dyno program in asuncion ?)(:-D) From: Jeremy Shuey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Fwd: Saving Gasoline and Money I do know that the magnets work on the water. We have extremely hard water here in my part of PA, with the limestone and all, and the magnets actually make the water a whole lot more soft *yes, i can corroborate that. we also have hard water in colonia, uruguay, where i farm trees and do research on alternative energies, and a neighbour installed a unit. it works fine except it requires periodic cleaning of the gunk the magnets somehow retain. my neighbour being a bit comfy gave up after half a dozen cleanings. will check back with him and post a full description in a fortnight or so. - *last but not least, how can we incentivate snipping amongst honorable list members ? it is a drag to read a two line answer, or comment, and find all of the original thread(s) attached, requiring tedious, wasteful scrolling. here
Re: [biofuel] Some Answers/ Slight Rant
Alfa Laval has the best centrifuge for oil/water seperators. Westfalia would be another. Gerry Clayton T [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 05/18/2001 11:01:45 PM Please respond to biofuel@yahoogroups.com To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com cc:(bcc: LEE Gerry/Prin Engr/CSM/ST Group) Subject: [biofuel] Some Answers/ Slight Rant Cordain and biofuels, Please forgive my lag at responding. I've been working with a patent Attorney to get it Patent pending. So I can discuss it more freely. I would like to license it and also use the process to make my own fuel here in Texas. Right now its still on the drawing board, a few engineering probs still to mull over. I also have been working on securing equipment to test the technology myself. If Yall know where I might find a used centurfuge designed for contiuos operation. I'd appreciate the tip. As far as the person who Wrote this forum is an exchange of ideas for a bunch of... I'd like to invite you over to my house for an ass whipping, followed with some Texas style Bar-B-Q. I defend your right to say such things but that doesn't mean I have to like it . Clayton T __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Biodiesel in a heating oil burner?
1)Yes, the Italians regular use it. Your fuel filter would probably need to be replaced after initially using it, since the sludge in the bottom of your oil tank would get cleaned out and fill up your filter. 2)Yes, just like it can be blended with regular diesel. 3)All Bonus answer: Have you tried cooking oil with kerosene? I have and it works in a 50/50 ratio, but in the winter I'd go with 60 kerosene / 40 Oil. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 5:52 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Biodiesel in a heating oil burner? I have some questions. Does anyone know the answers, or where to look? 1)Can biodiesel be used in a modern heating oil burner? 2)Can it be blended with petroleum-based diesel and used in a modern heating oil burner? 3)Are there any particular types or brands of modern heating oil burner that can use biodiesel or a blend of biodiesel and petroleum- based diesel? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Fwd: Saving Gasoline and Money
Not sure.. but its pretty good dude... hehehe. Want some?? Well, in all seriousness, believe it or not, it seems to work. Maybe i should get some lab reports of before and after?!? NE Ways, just my 2 cents. Jeremy --- steve spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Um, uh, guys? what have you all been smoking? magnets on gas lines (and water lines) is right up there with ceramic laundry disks. really Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: Warren Rekow [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 4:15 PM Subject: [biofuel] Fwd: Saving Gasoline and Money I've heard stories about putting magnets on gas lines to improve fuel mileage for years, but I never tried it. I shall do so now. The author of the following article, Dr. James DeMeo, is an intelligent and credible fellow, and the cost of trying is insignificant. Per the link below this also works for petro-diesel, so perhaps for biodiesel and WVO also. Anyone else care to try this and give us feedback? Dick, perhaps magnets attached to the tubing might increase the effectiveness of foggers? - ...Warren Rekow Orgone Biophysical Research Lab [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.orgonelab.org Forwarded News Item Please copy and distribute to other interested individuals and groups __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] SPECIAL INTRODUCTORY OFFER
Hi Derek, I thought that I would write back on the sideband, but if you think all or part of your reply is appropriate for the entire group, that is okay with me. Previously I have read about bypass filters in conjunction with Amsoil synthetic oil and their bypass system. I am curious as to how you feel your filters compare to the Amsoil bypass filters. Certainly yours appear to be considerably cheaper. ** Cant comment fully about the Amsoil by-pass filter as I have not seen or used one but if their filter is as good as their oils then it should be a darn good one as they make some of the best synthetics available, just naturally dearer thats all. They were the first to bring out synthetic oils and have kicked the major oil companies butts since.Being a spin on filter the cost of each filter replacement will be at least 15 times greater and possibly as much as 25 times greater than the MIL-MAC replacement. The MIL-MAC is equal to any filter on the market and in most cases superior. At this point I think you need to decide wether you want the convienience of a spin on filter and are prepared to pay for it, or if you are prepared to suffer a little inconvienience for approx 10 minutes at filter change time. The MIL-MAC will certainly do as good as any filter on the market. If you are being told otherwise and believe this you are certainly listening to too much advertising hype. As I see it a spin on filter is a lady drivers filter and a MIL-MAC filter is a mans filter. A MIL-MAC can give you performance equal to any, save you money, minimise engine wear and tear, and substantially reduce your operating costs. Each have their roll and it is up to you to decide what you want. You are right. Mine are considerably cheaper although they are made in Australia. When the manufacturer came to see me I was impressed by the idea and the simplicity and interested in pushing them as my contribution to a better cleaner world. This I am endeavouring to do. My markup at full price is approx $50- for a single filter (a little more at current exchange rates as it has moved in our favour in the last 3 or 4 weeks but down again today) and more on the double and treble . At the Special Introductory Price dicount brings my theoretical profit back to about half that. I dont know how long I can maintain this but at about US$12 profit per unit not too long I imagine as I am going to go bust if I persist for too long. Personally I would probably be better off getting a job. It is possible you would get them out of Australia cheaper but I seriously doubt it. If such was the case they would need to sell to you at wholesale and despite the amount of money and time I have spent doing the research and setting this up I would drop them like a hot cake. Cost aside, as an example, if the mileage between oil changes can be doubled per vehicle, and that multiplied by the millions of vehicles on the road, what a huge difference in the quantity of oil saved, and the decrease in the old oil polluting the environment. I'm all in favor of these things being put on cars. ** I am glad you seem to think like me on this. Fitting something like this to every vehicle in cities like L.A., New York, Tokyo, Bangkok, London, or any large modern city and particularly those suffering from pollution could help tremendously as well as being a contribution by the motorist who causes the pollution in the first place. I should perhaps say second as it is largely a problem caused by car design in the first place. Just think what a marketing tool it would be if one car manufacture would just seize on the idea and put every vehicle out with a by-pass filter fitted as standard.especially if they already had an energy conscious policy and image. Volvo for instance who are doing themselves a lot of harm in this forum by attacking biodiesel could reverse this overnight by adopting such a policy and the sheer beauty of such a scheme is that it could be done on the factory floor at minimum cost rather than as an expensive retrofit. While it may put me out of business before I really start nothing would make me happier. I think the F-350's engine is around 200 hp, but I am not sure. You see, my truck is in New Jersey, USA, while I am sitting at my desk in Saudi Arabia. These days I only get to use it on holiday and my parents put a fair number of miles on it in my absence. I also have a 1980 Volvo Diesel which was made with a 6 cylinder VW truck engine. I'm not sure of the horsepower or of the displacement on that engine. **It is hard to quote you without knowing a few more details but I suspect you would be best to fit a treble oil filter and a double fuel filter to the F-350 if this is a 6.5 litre engine ( you may be able to get away with a double oil and single fuel but this would be pushing it.) and a double oil filter and single fuel filter to the 1980 Volvo Diesel. Do you know the sump oil capacity and fuel consumption per hour of the F-350, and can you
RE: [biofuel] Coconut Oil etc.
Hans I think Robert posted what you are looking for Kirk That's for converting cellulose. What's the carbohydrate/sugar content of the coconut liquid? It should be quite high, high enough for ordinary fermenting and distillation. Hanns, you need to do a refractometer test. If you haven't got the process set up yet, you can probably do it without removing the oil first, the sugar reading should be the same either way. Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ robert luis rabello wrote: I want to make ethanol from newspaper, something I have in rather abundant supply, I was wondering if anyone knowes where I can get the enzymes to change the cellulose to glucose. Thanx, Buddy Here are a couple of links you can try: http://www.enzymedevelopment.com/cellulas.htm http://www.deerland-enzymes.com/cellulase4000.htm I think you'll find this approach rather expensive right now, but good luck! robert luis rabello -Original Message- From: Hanns B. Wetzel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 8:35 AM To: Bio Fuels at Yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Coconut Oil etc. Hello All, Am researching the making bio-diesel from coconut oil with a fairly low tech small scale (possibly community based process in PNG) where the coconut flesh is first finely grated, then mixed with the juice, then cold pressed to produce an emulsion. This is then heated (not boiled) to separate out the oil which is then decanted off, filtered, and trans-esterified. Am wondering whether the remaining liquid would have sufficient carbohydrate content for it to be used as feedstock for ethanol production. Anyone with ideas/knowledge on the subject. Comments would be extremely welcome. Hanns Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.252 / Virus Database: 125 - Release Date: 5/9/2001 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.252 / Virus Database: 125 - Release Date: 5/9/2001 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Fwd: Saving Gasoline and Money
Steve replied: Um, uh, guys? what have you all been smoking? magnets on gas lines (and water lines) is right up there with ceramic laundry disks. really Ha! Hi Steve! ;-) Well... so have you actually tried it, as described in the article? I have viewed this in the same way you just expressed. But, James DeMeo is a pretty sharp fellow. He says it actually works for him. Jeremy just replied that it has worked for him for several years on his water lines. I sure don't have all the right answers, and life has brought many a surprise. Tell you what, let's both try it. Maybe we learn something new and useful in spite of our 'knowledge'. -- ...Warren Rekow Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Fwd: Saving Gasoline and Money
Jeremy, I can see the magnets might work on water for the reasons you asscribe but why should they work with gasoline.and why should you get increased mileage? B.r., David I do know that the magnets work on the water. We have extremely hard water here in my part of PA, with the limestone and all, and the magnets actually make the water a whole lot more soft. The idea behind the magnets is that it actually aligns the molecules in the fluid, or water in my case. I have had them on for years, (about 10 now) and the pipes havn't clogged or had any other problems associated with any idea of problems with the magnets. H I think i may try to put some on my Jetta and see what happens with my fuel mileage. NE Ways.. let ya know what happens. Jeremy __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Coconut oil
Dear Hanns et al., The separation of coconut oil from coco milk (the water should be separated out before oil extraction, as it contains no oil) using heat is generally abandoned here due to low extraction efficiency and high energy use. I do not, unfortunately, have numbers, as the analyses and proposals I have on file are based on the use of mechanical expellers. As I have said before, high energy consumption is not necessarily a showstopper, as the availability of that energy (in both the thermodynamic and economic senses) is just as important as quantity. That is, if you can use coir and shells as your heat sources (if you have no more profitable outlets for those), then perhaps it can be made to work. As for fermenting the residue, the traditional end product of coco water is coco vinegar - wine vinegar is virtually unknown here. But I believe that acetic fermentation requires prior ethanol fermentation, so presumably there is some way to design a process that eliminates the acetobacter part of the vinegar process. Perhaps heating to the point where the residue is sterile, then (after cooling) inoculating with beer yeast and excluding air...? Looks like another bench-scale experiment is in the offing. Maybe we could design an experimental program and split the work? Were you planning to start with green coconuts or mature coconuts? Best, Marc de Piolenc Iligan, Lanao del Norte (Mindanao) Philippines Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] More about methane :-)
Hi Jim What? Taxing NZ animals for their biological processes? Whoever runs the show needs a little bit of help, I think. While they're at it, why don't they tax the actual earth for its 'spontaneous emissions?' If we don't watch out, we'll be receiving some kind of breathing tax in the mail soon, for adding to the global levels of CO2. Could be a lot worse than that, if they have their way. You should read this, it'll chill your bones: The ETC Century: http://rafi.org/web/allpub-display.shtml?pfl=others-list-en.param RAFI - Rural Advancement Foundation International Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ -JIM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Fwd: Saving Gasoline and Money
Warren, I am sure if you had strong enough magnets and you could get close enough to the vehicle in front of you your gas mileage might jump tremendously. Believe they would have to be elecro magnets though in case the vehicle in front suddenly went the wrong way. Some film producer could probably do a good Laurel and Hardy skit (or did I say skid) on this. B.r., David Ha! Hi Steve! ;-) Well... so have you actually tried it, as described in the article? I have viewed this in the same way you just expressed. But, James DeMeo is a pretty sharp fellow. He says it actually works for him. Jeremy just replied that it has worked for him for several years on his water lines. I sure don't have all the right answers, and life has brought many a surprise. Tell you what, let's both try it. Maybe we learn something new and useful in spite of our 'knowledge'. -- ...Warren Rekow Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Fwd: Saving Gasoline and Money
My pipes are over 20 years old and the water is hard as a rock. Coffee pots die without regular soaks in vinegar. No magnets, no pipe problems. I can see a polar molecule aligning in a field. Once past the field random as usual. Sells a boatload of magnets though. Maybe I'm so cynical I'm refusing to see something here but I doubt it. I really would like to see a demostrable difference in a bucket of water with and without the magnet. -Original Message- From: Jeremy Shuey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 8:02 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Fwd: Saving Gasoline and Money --- Warren Rekow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've heard stories about putting magnets on gas lines to improve fuel mileage for years, but I never tried it. I shall do so now. The author of the following article, Dr. James DeMeo, is an intelligent and credible fellow, and the cost of trying is insignificant. Per the link below this also works for petro-diesel, so perhaps for biodiesel and WVO also. Anyone else care to try this and give us feedback? Dick, perhaps magnets attached to the tubing might increase the effectiveness of foggers? - ...Warren Rekow I do know that the magnets work on the water. We have extremely hard water here in my part of PA, with the limestone and all, and the magnets actually make the water a whole lot more soft. The idea behind the magnets is that it actually aligns the molecules in the fluid, or water in my case. I have had them on for years, (about 10 now) and the pipes havn't clogged or had any other problems associated with any idea of problems with the magnets. H I think i may try to put some on my Jetta and see what happens with my fuel mileage. NE Ways.. let ya know what happens. Jeremy __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.252 / Virus Database: 125 - Release Date: 5/9/2001 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.252 / Virus Database: 125 - Release Date: 5/9/2001 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Coconut Oil etc.
No enzymes to convert starch? Maltose maybe. And the husks maybe qualify as cellulose. Use everything but the squeal like the hog packers do. -Original Message- From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 8:24 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] Coconut Oil etc. Hans I think Robert posted what you are looking for Kirk That's for converting cellulose. What's the carbohydrate/sugar content of the coconut liquid? It should be quite high, high enough for ordinary fermenting and distillation. Hanns, you need to do a refractometer test. If you haven't got the process set up yet, you can probably do it without removing the oil first, the sugar reading should be the same either way. Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ robert luis rabello wrote: I want to make ethanol from newspaper, something I have in rather abundant supply, I was wondering if anyone knowes where I can get the enzymes to change the cellulose to glucose. Thanx, Buddy Here are a couple of links you can try: http://www.enzymedevelopment.com/cellulas.htm http://www.deerland-enzymes.com/cellulase4000.htm I think you'll find this approach rather expensive right now, but good luck! robert luis rabello -Original Message- From: Hanns B. Wetzel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 8:35 AM To: Bio Fuels at Yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Coconut Oil etc. Hello All, Am researching the making bio-diesel from coconut oil with a fairly low tech small scale (possibly community based process in PNG) where the coconut flesh is first finely grated, then mixed with the juice, then cold pressed to produce an emulsion. This is then heated (not boiled) to separate out the oil which is then decanted off, filtered, and trans-esterified. Am wondering whether the remaining liquid would have sufficient carbohydrate content for it to be used as feedstock for ethanol production. Anyone with ideas/knowledge on the subject. Comments would be extremely welcome. Hanns Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.252 / Virus Database: 125 - Release Date: 5/9/2001 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.252 / Virus Database: 125 - Release Date: 5/9/2001 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.252 / Virus Database: 125 - Release Date: 5/9/2001 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.252 / Virus Database: 125 - Release Date: 5/9/2001 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Biodiesel in a heating oil burner?
Good Evening: In regard to cooking oil/Kerosene mix for heating. I tried that this winter. Everything went great for about an hour and a half. Then the heater began to smoke and stink. To make a long story short - I ended up having to take the heater apart and clean out all this gooey junk, wash everything out with clean, pure Kerosene, and freeze for part of a day and night. Apparently you have had success -- where did I go wrong? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Fwd: Genencor Identifies Structure of a Novel Fungal Cellulose: Findings to Lead to the Development of Enzymes for More Efficient I
Date: 20 May 2001 23:15:03 - To: List Member [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Fuel and Fiber Company [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Genencor Identifies Structure of a Novel Fungal Cellulose: Findings to Lead to the Development of Enzymes for More Efficient I Genencor Identifies Structure of a Novel Fungal Cellulose: Findings to Lead to the Development of Enzymes for More Efficient Industrial Processes Source: Source: Genencor International, Inc. / PRNewswire 05/09 Genencor International, Inc. (Nasdaq: GCOR) announced today (April 30, 2001) the publication, in a peer-reviewed journal, of results describing the structure of a commercially important fungal cellulase, Cel12A (EG3). This work will enable Genencor to develop improved novel cellulase enzymes designed to enhance the efficiency of industrial processes including the production of detergents, textiles, food, paper and fuel alternatives such as ethanol. The paper, published in the Journal of Molecular Biology, entitled The X-ray crystal structure of the Trichoderma reesei family 12 endoglucanase 3 (Cel12A) at 1.9A, describes results from an international collaboration between scientists at Genencor, and both Uppsala University and the Swedish University of Agricultural Sciences in Uppsala, Sweden. Using X-ray crystallography, the scientists determined the specific structural features of the Cel12A protein that provide important insight into the mechanism of action of the protein. This publication further validates Genencor's in-depth expertise in fungal biology, protein chemistry, and crystallography, commented Michael Arbige Ph.D., Senior Vice President of Research and Development. Such core competencies are an integral part of our i-biotech(TM) solution, which integrates our full suite of technologies, facilitating the rapid development of more effective and safer biologically engineered materials for the consumer, industrial and health care markets. Cellulases are a commercially important class of enzymes found in fungal and bacterial microorganisms that utilize plant matter as one of their primary carbon sources. They are responsible for the degradation of plant cell walls and provide a fast and effective means of releasing important fermentable sugars from plant matter. By understanding the precise locations of amino acids within the protein, Genencor can incorporate this information into its molecular evolution and design platform to accelerate the natural evolutionary process and genetically engineer, and optimize, biomaterials in more advantageous ways. Furthermore, the integration of these data into Genencor's immunology platform allows assessment and elimination of potential allergenic risk from newly created biomaterials. Novel enzymes derived from these processes will, for example, be evaluated to enhance the technology for ethanol fuel production from cellulose biomass. About Genencor Genencor International is a diversified biotechnology company that develops and delivers innovative products into the health care, agriculture, and industrial and consumer markets. Using an integrated set of technology platforms, Genencor's products deliver innovative and sustainable solutions to many of the problems of everyday life. Genencor was established in 1982 as a joint venture between Genentech Inc. and Corning Incorporated. Since its founding, Genencor has grown to become a leading biotechnology company, with over $315 million in annual revenues, more than 250 biotechnology products in commerce, and over 3,400 owned and licensed patents and applications. Genencor, with more than 1,500 employees worldwide, has principal offices in Palo Alto, California; Rochester, New York; and Leiden, the Netherlands. Except for the historical information contained herein, the matters discussed in this press release may contain forward-looking statements which involve risks and uncertainties, including significant fluctuations in product performance depending on factors such as a dependence on the efforts of third parties, a new and uncertain technology employed by Genencor and its uncertain application to new business ventures, dependence on intellectual property rights, the competitive nature of Genencor's industry and risks of obsolescence of certain technology. Actual results may differ materially from those projected. Forward-looking statements represent the judgment of Genencor as of the date of this release. Genencor disclaims, however, any intent or obligation to update any forward-looking statements. (C) 2001 PR Newswire. All rights reserved. ___ Powered by List Builder To unsubscribe follow the link: http://lb.bcentral.com/ex/manage/subscriberprefs?customerid=360subid =0A665AD4E0AC5E6Bmsgnum=53 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe
Re: [biofuel] Coconut oil
Mature coconuts would be required as they have thicker kernel with have more oil after they have been sun dried. Gerry F. Marc de Piolenc [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 05/21/2001 11:21:32 AM Please respond to biofuel@yahoogroups.com To: Biofuel List biofuel@yahoogroups.com cc:(bcc: LEE Gerry/Prin Engr/CSM/ST Group) Subject: [biofuel] Coconut oil Dear Hanns et al., The separation of coconut oil from coco milk (the water should be separated out before oil extraction, as it contains no oil) using heat is generally abandoned here due to low extraction efficiency and high energy use. I do not, unfortunately, have numbers, as the analyses and proposals I have on file are based on the use of mechanical expellers. As I have said before, high energy consumption is not necessarily a showstopper, as the availability of that energy (in both the thermodynamic and economic senses) is just as important as quantity. That is, if you can use coir and shells as your heat sources (if you have no more profitable outlets for those), then perhaps it can be made to work. As for fermenting the residue, the traditional end product of coco water is coco vinegar - wine vinegar is virtually unknown here. But I believe that acetic fermentation requires prior ethanol fermentation, so presumably there is some way to design a process that eliminates the acetobacter part of the vinegar process. Perhaps heating to the point where the residue is sterile, then (after cooling) inoculating with beer yeast and excluding air...? Looks like another bench-scale experiment is in the offing. Maybe we could design an experimental program and split the work? Were you planning to start with green coconuts or mature coconuts? Best, Marc de Piolenc Iligan, Lanao del Norte (Mindanao) Philippines Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] the government, and why they dont care
The following is probably a fair sampling of the non-liberal or anti-liberal or whatever you want to call it political viewpoint we're alleged to deem unacceptable here, or frown upon or suppress or something. I won't call it conservative because I can't see anything that it conserves, other than a lack of wisdom and sane stewardship. Anyway, these are all complete messages, not excerpts. I'd say the debating style needs work. Why is anything good so expensive in the UK? Because England is a socialist country! Paranoia is the food of socialists. Down with Socialism. Ban the Kyoto joke. Socialist morons abound. To whomever this may concern why do I get the feeling that this forum is an exchange of ideas for a bunch of socialists, and communists? To Whom This May Concern, me thinks you protest too much -- you sniveling socialist pigs! wherefore the invectives? Even an idiot can sense your political proclivity. When will you socialists/communists realize that your utopian pursuits are nothing more than a diabolical scheme that will eventually be frustrated? I tuned in to learn more about bio-fuels, and related matters-not to be bombarded by your frequent conjecture stemming from your obvious political bias. [sent twice] Socialism failed so be it. Its called capitalism and its created the greatest country in the world! [These last two apparently in support of anti-conservation and untrammelled fossil-fuel use.] Some of these have had considerate and reasonable responses, but it hasn't yet been reciprocated except either by more mindless slogan-mouthings or nothing. It's not that we suppress the viewpoint, it's that it never gets expressed in the first place, just spewed. Haven't we got an anti-environment pro-corporate Jesuit priest about the place or something, someone who knows how to engage brain before opening mouth and can express a reasoned point of view? Come on, tell us exactly why we should dump all this green energy crap and learn to love Big Brother - er, I mean Big Oil, or them, or whoever or whatever it is we're supposed to trust to rather than our eyes and our well-nourished scepticism. Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ All that needs to happen is for the common man to be left alone. - Skip Goebel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Conquest of the Land
Tom Reed of the Biomass Energy Foundation likes this book so much he wants to give it away free to everybody involved in bioenergy. Good idea! Anyway, no need to give it away, it's online. Conquest of the Land Through 7,000 Years By W.C. Lowdermilk. 1953. USDA Agriculture Information Bulletin No. 99. 30 p. http://soilandhealth.org/01aglibrary/010119lowdermilk.usda/cls.html http://www.nhq.nrcs.usda.gov/BCS/agecol/conquest.pdf [PDF] Lowdermilk was the Assistant Chief of the Soil Conservation Service. This classic bulletin provides an historical account of civilization and agriculture, and particularly, the destruction of fertile lands through agricultural practices that result in soil erosion, gulleys, deforestation, deserts, and wastelands. This is his famed Eleventh Commandment, first delivered in a talk on soil conservation in Jerusalem in June 1939: Thou shalt inherit the Holy Earth as a faithful steward, conserving its resources and productivity from generation to generation. Thou shalt safeguard thy fields from soil erosion, thy living waters from drying up, thy forests from desolation, and protect thy hills from overgrazing by thy herds, that thy descendants may have abundance forever. If any shall fail in this stewardship of the land thy fruitful fields shall become sterile stony ground and wasting gullies, and thy descendants shall decrease and live in poverty or perish from off the face of the earth. To which one might add this: Prayer Let the rains come down upon the earth in time let the earth bend down graciously with the produce of the land, let the country be without scourge; let the learned be fearless. Let the sonless have sons, let those who have sons have grandsons, let the poor become rich, let all my people live for a hundred autumns. O Lord, let all my people be happy and fulfilled. (from the Sanskrit) Where today do we find rulers with such prayers? Sure, democracy is the worst possible system, except for all the others, but why should we vote for any would-be leader who doesn't qualify on the above grounds? How many of the elected governments really have a majority mandate? Increasingly large numbers of people in many (most?) of the western democracies don't vote. Is it really because they don't care/are too dumb/too complacent? Maybe if you could vote against, many more would vote. Maybe one in a million elected officials would support such a change. Maybe the other 999,999 should be fired. Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Fwd: ENERGIES... week of 5/13/01
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 23:27:11 -0500 Subject: ENERGIES... week of 5/13/01 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Priority: 3 To: undisclosed-recipients:; ENERGIES... week of May 13, 2001, Special Extended Edition THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. Thank you for starting a much needed national discussion on energy. Thank you for calling our energy situation a crisis. Americans work best in a crisis mode. Now you will hear how Americans feel about land they will never see. Now you will hear how Americans feel about air and water pollution - and the potential for increasing both. Now you will hear how Americans feel about their contribution to global warming - and the potential for contributing more. Now you will hear from our friends beyond our borders how they feel about more pollution and more greenhouse gases coming from our shores. But, of course, you will also hear from Americans defending the status quo - those unwilling to take on the challenges of, or perhaps uncomfortable with change. During the next few months you and Congress must make some important decisions. Those decisions may have little immediate impact, but almost certainly will have an impact on people decades and probably centuries from now. Please let those important decisions be in the best interest of those not yet born. Yes, thank you for opening this necessary and belated debate. Sooner or later this had to happen. (For your copy of the proposed National Energy Policy download the PDF file(s) at http://www.whitehouse.gov/energy/ .) NEW URBAN MOBILITY. Visionary entrepreneur Dr. Donald E. Panoz has created a new company to find ways to make clean and efficient personal transportation work in harmony with mass transit. The new company - eMotion Mobility - is based on a study done for Dr. Panoz by the Southern Coalition for Advanced Transportation (SCAT) which showed that a market would exist in the near future for electric vehicles equipped with advanced communications devices that could tied with transit systems. Panoz will build eMotion on the success he already has had in developing high-tech automobiles. The Panoz organization comprises more than 30 companies some of which are involved in automotive technologies, racing cars, and through his son Danny, the exotic hand-built Panoz Roadsters. Panoz also developed a hybrid electric racing car for the 1998 LeMans - the Panoz Q9. John Wilson, former President and CEO of SCAT has been recruited to head eMotion. Dr. Panoz' entrepreneurial success came from his development of time release technologies for pharmaceuticals. Watch this space for further news from eMotion. Visit SCAT at http://www.advtrans.org/. TOOLS TO TRANSPORTATION. After five years of producing cordless electric yard tools, PowerQwest is now offering a scooter in its Eco-electric (tm) product line. Wicked Wave (tm) is the first of three electric rides to be offered this year by the company. The stand-up electric scooter has a 24 volt electric system and belt drive. Wicked Wave is now being sold through Sears stores for $299. Visit PowerQwest at http://www.powerqwest.com/ . CONCENTRATED SOLAR. When we think of holographic images we might think of the three-dimensional image applied to some credit cards. But holographic images can also be used to direct and focus light onto a solar cell. That is what TerraSun is doing. In a way to cut the cost of solar and include photovoltaic (PV) power in building integrated solar systems, TerraSun is utilizing holographic optics to concentrate light onto a commonly produced crystalline silicon solar cell. Cost is reduced because far fewer cells are needed for a module. The area of a complete panel module that could be used in place of a skylight, for example, would be 75 percent transparent and 25 percent PV cell. For now the company is working to build production capability and specific products are not yet announced. Efficiency and power output figures could be expected at that time. Visit TerraSun at http://www.terrasun.com/ . CANADA: SOLAR HOT WATER. Natural Resources Canada (NRCan) and the Technology Early Action Measure (TEAM) component of the Climate Change Action Fund has invested more than $600,000 towards the commercialization of a low-cost and efficient solar hot water heater developed by EnerWorks. Additional funds for the $ 2.6 million project will come from private sources, and the first 100 systems will be installed in the next few months. According to NRCan, water heating can account for 20 percent of a home's energy needs and can produce up to two tons of greenhouse gases per house per year. A solar hot water system would cut that figure in half. NRCan has also invested $475,000 in a 200-kilowatt solar-simulator lamp - the largest in the world - to be installed at its National Solar Test Facility (NSTF). The Facility is used to test solar equipment in varying climatic conditions in an
RE: Palm and coconut oil - was RE: [biofuel] Tallow
Hi Hanns, See attached for price history (See attached file: crude palm oil prices.htm) Gerry Sorry, Gerry, attachments get blocked (then we don't get viruses). Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Coconut Oil etc.
Kirk, Many thanks. I was thinking of using the husks for coir an the shells partly for heating and partly for the production of activated charcoal. That leaves the liquid (of the mature coconut), and as Marc de Piolenc has pointed out some form of fermentation has to be done. Hanns -Original Message- From: kirk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 21 May 2001 2:12 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] Coconut Oil etc. No enzymes to convert starch? Maltose maybe. And the husks maybe qualify as cellulose. Use everything but the squeal like the hog packers do. -Original Message- From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 8:24 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] Coconut Oil etc. Hans I think Robert posted what you are looking for Kirk That's for converting cellulose. What's the carbohydrate/sugar content of the coconut liquid? It should be quite high, high enough for ordinary fermenting and distillation. Hanns, you need to do a refractometer test. If you haven't got the process set up yet, you can probably do it without removing the oil first, the sugar reading should be the same either way. Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ robert luis rabello wrote: I want to make ethanol from newspaper, something I have in rather abundant supply, I was wondering if anyone knowes where I can get the enzymes to change the cellulose to glucose. Thanx, Buddy Here are a couple of links you can try: http://www.enzymedevelopment.com/cellulas.htm http://www.deerland-enzymes.com/cellulase4000.htm I think you'll find this approach rather expensive right now, but good luck! robert luis rabello -Original Message- From: Hanns B. Wetzel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 8:35 AM To: Bio Fuels at Yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Coconut Oil etc. Hello All, Am researching the making bio-diesel from coconut oil with a fairly low tech small scale (possibly community based process in PNG) where the coconut flesh is first finely grated, then mixed with the juice, then cold pressed to produce an emulsion. This is then heated (not boiled) to separate out the oil which is then decanted off, filtered, and trans-esterified. Am wondering whether the remaining liquid would have sufficient carbohydrate content for it to be used as feedstock for ethanol production. Anyone with ideas/knowledge on the subject. Comments would be extremely welcome. Hanns Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.252 / Virus Database: 125 - Release Date: 5/9/2001 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.252 / Virus Database: 125 - Release Date: 5/9/2001 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.252 / Virus Database: 125 - Release Date: 5/9/2001 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.252 / Virus Database: 125 - Release Date: 5/9/2001 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Coconut oil
Dear Marc, Many thanks for your useful information. As I wrote to Kirk, my intention is to use as much as possible of the coir and shells for matting and activated charcoal production. That leaves the fermentation of the water (juice). I would certainly be happy for us to co-operate on researching and develoing a viable process. Will be returning to PNG some time (not yet fixed) next month and I will not be able to start anything practical till then. So I suggest we keep in touch. In the meantime I wonder if you are able to supply me with links or attachments containing descriptions, specificatios and other general details of fairly low tech mechanical expellers similar to that developed by Dr. Dan Etherington (but not so expensive). Since ht idea is for this process to be carried out by village communities. If you do not know about this here is Dan Etherington's web site http://www.kokonutpacific.com.au/ . Also see below. Best Regards, Hanns -Original Message- From: F. Marc de Piolenc [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 21 May 2001 1:22 PM To: Biofuel List Subject: [biofuel] Coconut oil Dear Hanns et al., The separation of coconut oil from coco milk (the water should be separated out before oil extraction, as it contains no oil) using heat is generally abandoned here due to low extraction efficiency and high energy use. I do not, unfortunately, have numbers, as the analyses and proposals I have on file are based on the use of mechanical expellers. As I have said before, high energy consumption is not necessarily a showstopper, as the availability of that energy (in both the thermodynamic and economic senses) is just as important as quantity. That is, if you can use coir and shells as your heat sources (if you have no more profitable outlets for those), then perhaps it can be made to work. As for fermenting the residue, the traditional end product of coco water is coco vinegar - wine vinegar is virtually unknown here. But I believe that acetic fermentation requires prior ethanol fermentation, so presumably there is some way to design a process that eliminates the acetobacter part of the vinegar process. Perhaps heating to the point where the residue is sterile, then (after cooling) inoculating with beer yeast and excluding air...? **As you say, there has to be prior alcohol fermentation. Perhaps it's just a question of stopping the dermentation at the correct point? Looks like another bench-scale experiment is in the offing. Maybe we could design an experimental program and split the work? Were you planning to start with green coconuts or mature coconuts? **Mature coconuts because they contain more oil and are already on the ground. Best, Marc de Piolenc Iligan, Lanao del Norte (Mindanao) Philippines Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Coconut Oil etc.
Keith, Once again, thanks for your help and advice, which I will still ask for more of, being a newcomer to the biofuel movement. Please see my messages to Gerry, Marc de Piolenc and Kirk for further explanations of what I am trying to do. That is to start a village based industry in PNG (where I have close family ties) involving the production of bio fuel (import replacement, job creation, environmental conservation) and the coconut palm, because the copra industry is all but dead (income producing, job creation, etc.) and there are plenty of coconuts everywhere. Re the enzymes for cellulose conversion, I will need prices, quantities required, and more info on the actual process. This means to start learning some serious organic chemistry, about which I know very little. My expertise being in the computer and social development fields. Best Regards, Hanns -Original Message- From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 21 May 2001 12:24 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] Coconut Oil etc. Hans I think Robert posted what you are looking for Kirk That's for converting cellulose. What's the carbohydrate/sugar content of the coconut liquid? It should be quite high, high enough for ordinary fermenting and distillation. Hanns, you need to do a refractometer test. If you haven't got the process set up yet, you can probably do it without removing the oil first, the sugar reading should be the same either way. Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ robert luis rabello wrote: I want to make ethanol from newspaper, something I have in rather abundant supply, I was wondering if anyone knowes where I can get the enzymes to change the cellulose to glucose. Thanx, Buddy Here are a couple of links you can try: http://www.enzymedevelopment.com/cellulas.htm http://www.deerland-enzymes.com/cellulase4000.htm I think you'll find this approach rather expensive right now, but good luck! robert luis rabello -Original Message- From: Hanns B. Wetzel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 8:35 AM To: Bio Fuels at Yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Coconut Oil etc. Hello All, Am researching the making bio-diesel from coconut oil with a fairly low tech small scale (possibly community based process in PNG) where the coconut flesh is first finely grated, then mixed with the juice, then cold pressed to produce an emulsion. This is then heated (not boiled) to separate out the oil which is then decanted off, filtered, and trans-esterified. Am wondering whether the remaining liquid would have sufficient carbohydrate content for it to be used as feedstock for ethanol production. Anyone with ideas/knowledge on the subject. Comments would be extremely welcome. Hanns Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.252 / Virus Database: 125 - Release Date: 5/9/2001 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.252 / Virus Database: 125 - Release Date: 5/9/2001 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Coconut Oil etc.
Keith, Yes thanks, I looked at the pages but as I wrote to Keith Addison QUOTE Re the enzymes for cellulose conversion, I will need prices, quantities required, and more info on the actual process. This means to start learning some serious organic chemistry, about which I know very little. My expertise being in the computer and social development fields. UNQUOTE Hanns -Original Message- From: kirk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 21 May 2001 5:43 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] Coconut Oil etc. Hans I think Robert posted what you are looking for Kirk robert luis rabello wrote: I want to make ethanol from newspaper, something I have in rather abundant supply, I was wondering if anyone knowes where I can get the enzymes to change the cellulose to glucose. Thanx, Buddy Here are a couple of links you can try: http://www.enzymedevelopment.com/cellulas.htm http://www.deerland-enzymes.com/cellulase4000.htm I think you'll find this approach rather expensive right now, but good luck! robert luis rabello -Original Message- From: Hanns B. Wetzel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 8:35 AM To: Bio Fuels at Yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Coconut Oil etc. Hello All, Am researching the making bio-diesel from coconut oil with a fairly low tech small scale (possibly community based process in PNG) where the coconut flesh is first finely grated, then mixed with the juice, then cold pressed to produce an emulsion. This is then heated (not boiled) to separate out the oil which is then decanted off, filtered, and trans-esterified. Am wondering whether the remaining liquid would have sufficient carbohydrate content for it to be used as feedstock for ethanol production. Anyone with ideas/knowledge on the subject. Comments would be extremely welcome. Hanns Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.252 / Virus Database: 125 - Release Date: 5/9/2001 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.252 / Virus Database: 125 - Release Date: 5/9/2001 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Fwd: Saving Gasoline and Money
DISCLAIMER This URL is provided for amusement purposes only. Do not take this as a recommendation. http://www.inter-con.on.ca/triclean.htm Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: David Reid [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 10:59 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Fwd: Saving Gasoline and Money Steve, What is a ceramic laundry disks and where can I buy one. Anything that will do my washing for me sounds like a good idea. No seriously have never heard of these and they may be good for a laugh. Out of curiosity would like to know a bit more. B.r., David - Original Message - From: steve spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 8:58 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Fwd: Saving Gasoline and Money Um, uh, guys? what have you all been smoking? magnets on gas lines (and water lines) is right up there with ceramic laundry disks. really Steve Spence Yahoo! Groups Sponsor www. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Fwd: Saving Gasoline and Money
If I did try it, do you think I would admit to it? Many folks see the results they want to see. With out scientific testing, it's a bit hard to quantify results. What was that about toads and warts and cemeteries under a full moon. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: Warren Rekow [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 10:36 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Fwd: Saving Gasoline and Money Steve replied: Um, uh, guys? what have you all been smoking? magnets on gas lines (and water lines) is right up there with ceramic laundry disks. really Ha! Hi Steve! ;-) Well... so have you actually tried it, as described in the article? I have viewed this in the same way you just expressed. But, James DeMeo is a pretty sharp fellow. He says it actually works for him. Jeremy just replied that it has worked for him for several years on his water lines. I sure don't have all the right answers, and life has brought many a surprise. Tell you what, let's both try it. Maybe we learn something new and useful in spite of our 'knowledge'. -- ...Warren Rekow Yahoo! Groups Sponsor www. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Model Engines
A company called Irvine do them in theUK. Irvine Engines Ltd, Unit 2, Brunswick Ind. Pk, New Southgate, London, N11 1JL. I've lost their number but direct enquiries have it. - Original Message - From: anton and federica [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 8:04 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Model Engines model airplane engines are retrofittable to run on diesel fuel. the kits are available at certain model store. they may not be that cheap though. anton -- From: Jeremy Shuey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Model Engines Date: May 11, 2001, 9:05 PM Does anyone know where a person could buy or build a working model of a diesel engine? I want to use the engine to burn the biodiesel that I make in demonstrations and also be able to do some testing with it. Any information would be appreciated. Also, the less expensive, the better. ;-) Thanks in advance. Jeremy __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Coconut Oil etc.
Hello Hanns Thanks for the info. But I'm not sure why you need enzymes for cellulose conversion. That's still a very iffy field. You should be able to ferment the liquid and distill out the ethanol, normal alcohol production. Husks and shells are best used as you plan, for coir and heating and charcoal. See our Biofuels library for how-to info on distilling. http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library.html Keith, Once again, thanks for your help and advice, which I will still ask for more of, being a newcomer to the biofuel movement. Please see my messages to Gerry, Marc de Piolenc and Kirk for further explanations of what I am trying to do. That is to start a village based industry in PNG (where I have close family ties) involving the production of bio fuel (import replacement, job creation, environmental conservation) and the coconut palm, because the copra industry is all but dead (income producing, job creation, etc.) and there are plenty of coconuts everywhere. It's a good scheme, but you'll need a more appropriate technology than Etherington's if it's really to benefit the local people. It's rather easy to end up widening the income gap and further excluding the very people you're trying to help. You should ask VITA if they have a good technology for this, or ITDG, or ECHO, few others. More info here: http://journeytoforever.org/at_link.html Appropriate technology resources Re the enzymes for cellulose conversion, I will need prices, quantities required, and more info on the actual process. This means to start learning some serious organic chemistry, about which I know very little. Maybe not. Regards Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ My expertise being in the computer and social development fields. Best Regards, Hanns -Original Message- From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 21 May 2001 12:24 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] Coconut Oil etc. Hans I think Robert posted what you are looking for Kirk That's for converting cellulose. What's the carbohydrate/sugar content of the coconut liquid? It should be quite high, high enough for ordinary fermenting and distillation. Hanns, you need to do a refractometer test. If you haven't got the process set up yet, you can probably do it without removing the oil first, the sugar reading should be the same either way. Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ robert luis rabello wrote: I want to make ethanol from newspaper, something I have in rather abundant supply, I was wondering if anyone knowes where I can get the enzymes to change the cellulose to glucose. Thanx, Buddy Here are a couple of links you can try: http://www.enzymedevelopment.com/cellulas.htm http://www.deerland-enzymes.com/cellulase4000.htm I think you'll find this approach rather expensive right now, but good luck! robert luis rabello -Original Message- From: Hanns B. Wetzel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 8:35 AM To: Bio Fuels at Yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Coconut Oil etc. Hello All, Am researching the making bio-diesel from coconut oil with a fairly low tech small scale (possibly community based process in PNG) where the coconut flesh is first finely grated, then mixed with the juice, then cold pressed to produce an emulsion. This is then heated (not boiled) to separate out the oil which is then decanted off, filtered, and trans-esterified. Am wondering whether the remaining liquid would have sufficient carbohydrate content for it to be used as feedstock for ethanol production. Anyone with ideas/knowledge on the subject. Comments would be extremely welcome. Hanns Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.252 / Virus Database: 125 - Release Date: 5/9/2001 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.252 / Virus Database: 125 - Release Date: 5/9/2001 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
Re: [biofuel] Digest Number 438
kerosene is the recommended mixer, not gasoline. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: Douglas L. Murray Sr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 6:27 PM Subject: RE: [biofuel] Digest Number 438 you can run up 30 % Gasoline in your diesel fuel, however you lose on your mileage. It is only used if you can't get a winter blend for your area. Doug -Original Message- From: Jeremy Shuey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 5:49 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] Digest Number 438 --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can you run gasoline in a diesel? I thought it would ignite before the desired point in the compression stroke? or is the air compressed... then the diesel added... and the diesel explodes witht he pressure? odd.. since the pressure in the pump must be greater then the pressure in the chamber.. or it wont come out.. Pressures at injection time are not all that great. A 20:1 compression ration has max compression pressures around 300 PSI. The pressure rise heats the air which in turn ignites the fuel. Diesel engine speed is controlled by the amount of fuel injected which is one reason for the increased economy during light loads. One important point, stoichimetric (sp?) ratio does not change for Diesel (or for that matter any) fuel. Stoichimetric is that ratio where all the available fuel combines with all the available oxygen with no oxygen or fuel left over. A rich condition is when there is more fuel than be combined with the available oxygen. A lean condition is where there is more oxygen than available fuel. In spark ignition engines, the fuel air is brought in together and must be maintained near stoich. The reason is that in lean condition, the fuel may be scattered about and not have good ignition or even a misfire, wasting fuel. In a rich condition, not all fuel is oxidized and is therefore wasted. For emissions, a misfire is one of the worst things that can happen. For fuel economy unburned fuel is one of the worst things that can happen. Diesels inject the fuel as a stream so there is a rich condition at the time of injection which improves ignition. I really hate to tell you this, but, if you inject in a stream, you wouldn't have ignition. Injectors give of a mist or fog, persay. When you have a stream, it is not expanding all of the fuel properly and that is where you have loss of power, higher fuel consumption, etc etc etc. Same thing would happen if you would just dribble the fuel in the cylinder, EX, an old used injector that needs rebuilt, because it is not holding the pressure through the tip properly, or the tip itself is worn to big to give the back pressure needed to create the fog/mist. Hope this is helpful. Just my 2 cents Jeremy __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Say you love them with a DOMAIN NAME! www. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Coconut Oil etc.
Dear Hanns For heating I would look to the sun, at least in part. Not so good at night, but the rest of the time a powerful source. Kirk -Original Message- From: Hanns B. Wetzel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 3:08 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] Coconut Oil etc. Kirk, Many thanks. I was thinking of using the husks for coir an the shells partly for heating and partly for the production of activated charcoal. That leaves the liquid (of the mature coconut), and as Marc de Piolenc has pointed out some form of fermentation has to be done. Hanns -Original Message- From: kirk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 21 May 2001 2:12 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] Coconut Oil etc. No enzymes to convert starch? Maltose maybe. And the husks maybe qualify as cellulose. Use everything but the squeal like the hog packers do. -Original Message- From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 8:24 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] Coconut Oil etc. Hans I think Robert posted what you are looking for Kirk That's for converting cellulose. What's the carbohydrate/sugar content of the coconut liquid? It should be quite high, high enough for ordinary fermenting and distillation. Hanns, you need to do a refractometer test. If you haven't got the process set up yet, you can probably do it without removing the oil first, the sugar reading should be the same either way. Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ robert luis rabello wrote: I want to make ethanol from newspaper, something I have in rather abundant supply, I was wondering if anyone knowes where I can get the enzymes to change the cellulose to glucose. Thanx, Buddy Here are a couple of links you can try: http://www.enzymedevelopment.com/cellulas.htm http://www.deerland-enzymes.com/cellulase4000.htm I think you'll find this approach rather expensive right now, but good luck! robert luis rabello -Original Message- From: Hanns B. Wetzel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 8:35 AM To: Bio Fuels at Yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Coconut Oil etc. Hello All, Am researching the making bio-diesel from coconut oil with a fairly low tech small scale (possibly community based process in PNG) where the coconut flesh is first finely grated, then mixed with the juice, then cold pressed to produce an emulsion. This is then heated (not boiled) to separate out the oil which is then decanted off, filtered, and trans-esterified. Am wondering whether the remaining liquid would have sufficient carbohydrate content for it to be used as feedstock for ethanol production. Anyone with ideas/knowledge on the subject. Comments would be extremely welcome. Hanns Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.252 / Virus Database: 125 - Release Date: 5/9/2001 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.252 / Virus Database: 125 - Release Date: 5/9/2001 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.252 / Virus Database: 125 - Release Date: 5/9/2001 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.252 / Virus Database: 125 - Release Date: 5/9/2001 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system
