Re: [biofuels-biz] Sistem for collecting used oils
why is it expensive to collect used oil? what quantities are you referring to? there are over 100 restaurants in this area (15 miles) would take me a day to collect over 1000 gallons of used grease. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: Mauro Knudsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 10:24 AM Subject: [biofuels-biz] Sistem for collecting used oils One of cheapest kind of oil is the used oil (from the frier), but this system have some disadvantajes, for example collecting the oil is complicated and expensive. So, I designed a new system to collecting this used oil for make Biodiesel: _The Biodiesel factory have to make a contract with the oil factory or the oil refiner. The idea is that the same system of distribution of new oil will collect the used oil at less from the big consumers (like fast foods shops or restorants). The biodiesel factory pay an exchange charge, for example, by every 5 liters of used oil collected, the biodiesel plant pays 1 liter of new oil to the users. _In this system all the people wins something, the new oil producer or refiner wins more market because their oils will be 20% cheaper without invest anything, consumers have a descount of 20% in the oil price and the biodiesel plant get a very cheap used oil without have to collect them. _This system will work better if the biodiesel plant work together with a very big oil company. Please send me some coments, I want to improve the system. Best regards, Mauro Ariel Knudsen Argentinean Biodieseler. _ ÀLo probaste? Correo gratis y para toda la vida en http://correo.yahoo.com.ar Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] Sistem for collecting used oils
the restaurant has to pay for it's removal, and it gets landfilled. I'd have to set up collection contracts, guaranteed removal, and permits for grease hauling, but would definitely be able to lowball the guys who have to pay tipping fees at the landfill. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 9:48 PM Subject: Re: [biofuels-biz] Sistem for collecting used oils why is it expensive to collect used oil? what quantities are you referring to? there are over 100 restaurants in this area (15 miles) would take me a day to collect over 1000 gallons of used grease. Hi Steve What happens to it if folks like you don't collect it? Keith Addison Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: Mauro Knudsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 10:24 AM Subject: [biofuels-biz] Sistem for collecting used oils One of cheapest kind of oil is the used oil (from the frier), but this system have some disadvantajes, for example collecting the oil is complicated and expensive. So, I designed a new system to collecting this used oil for make Biodiesel: _The Biodiesel factory have to make a contract with the oil factory or the oil refiner. The idea is that the same system of distribution of new oil will collect the used oil at less from the big consumers (like fast foods shops or restorants). The biodiesel factory pay an exchange charge, for example, by every 5 liters of used oil collected, the biodiesel plant pays 1 liter of new oil to the users. _In this system all the people wins something, the new oil producer or refiner wins more market because their oils will be 20% cheaper without invest anything, consumers have a descount of 20% in the oil price and the biodiesel plant get a very cheap used oil without have to collect them. _This system will work better if the biodiesel plant work together with a very big oil company. Please send me some coments, I want to improve the system. Best regards, Mauro Ariel Knudsen Argentinean Biodieseler. Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] Sistem for collecting used oils
why is it expensive to collect used oil? what quantities are you referring to? there are over 100 restaurants in this area (15 miles) would take me a day to collect over 1000 gallons of used grease. Hi Steve What happens to it if folks like you don't collect it? Keith Addison Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: Mauro Knudsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 10:24 AM Subject: [biofuels-biz] Sistem for collecting used oils One of cheapest kind of oil is the used oil (from the frier), but this system have some disadvantajes, for example collecting the oil is complicated and expensive. So, I designed a new system to collecting this used oil for make Biodiesel: _The Biodiesel factory have to make a contract with the oil factory or the oil refiner. The idea is that the same system of distribution of new oil will collect the used oil at less from the big consumers (like fast foods shops or restorants). The biodiesel factory pay an exchange charge, for example, by every 5 liters of used oil collected, the biodiesel plant pays 1 liter of new oil to the users. _In this system all the people wins something, the new oil producer or refiner wins more market because their oils will be 20% cheaper without invest anything, consumers have a descount of 20% in the oil price and the biodiesel plant get a very cheap used oil without have to collect them. _This system will work better if the biodiesel plant work together with a very big oil company. Please send me some coments, I want to improve the system. Best regards, Mauro Ariel Knudsen Argentinean Biodieseler. Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuels-biz] the data for hydrogen using biodiesel installation....
Hi, Mauro, Thank you very much for your very comprehensive data. I was discussing with the big fertilizer company that has all necessary utilities just on-site. They together with the German investor plan to construct installation between 30,00 and 100,000 tons/yr of biodiesel. The plant will be using: mehanol and KOH, hydrogen, rapeseed oil, water, steam and electricity. Since the fertilizer factory is producing also the so-called OXO alcohols for which the methanol is the raw material the buy it in bulk quantities. Their price for methanol is $791/tonne ( as I was told) and this price would very good bargain for them. I observed the methanol price discussion and noted that everywhere the price of methanol is higher than that. The same applies to to KOH - also the prices are lower than normal market prices - I do not know exactly figures Details of technology based on hydrogen: to tell you the truth I do not know. The only thing I know that this technology is probably developed by a very good chemical Polish engineer (he is now a professor of applied chemistry). The technology is claimed to be unique, low cost and excellent in performance. I will try to reach these secrets and will let you know. The above opinions are no mine - I heard them from people working at this fertilizer factory. They have already tries produce biodiesel 10 years ago with technological success and market disaster (nobody was interested at that time in biodiesel). What I know about this technology is that: - it will be using KOH and methanol - it will be using hydrogen (for what I do not know), - it will be using water and steam and power to run the equipment - it will be producing: biodiesel, glycerine of pharmaceutical (farmakopea as you put it) quality and probably some wastewater. That is all for now... jan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Methanol _Storage regulations Sydney Aust.
- Original Message - From: Barryt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Are you aware of any storage limitation in suburban Sydney? regards Barryt Barry its some twenty or so years since I lived in Sydney so I can't help you there. Moved to far north Queensland many years ago to escaped the rat-race. Paradise up here, no place to get rich but great lifestyle. Suggest you contact your local council, fire brigade,dangerous goods office etc. Regards Paul. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] zeolite - Digest Number 489
Certainly worth consideration. Thanks for mentioning . Would need analysis and combustion analysis in a diesel to know. Otherwise, sticking to the WVO is a good idea. From: doctor who [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 05:51:45 To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] zeolite - Digest Number 489 Is trap grease safe to burn in a vehicle engine? WVO is one thing but trap grease is the worst sludge I've ever seen. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] NOT about Zeolite....
I guess I have to stop reading all the messages titled zeolite, since they're no longer about zeolite. I hope I don't miss out on something that IS about zeolite, or somethings equally interesting that ISN'T about zeolite. Come on, people, change the subject entry when you change the subject -- not doing so is just lazy...-K Certainly worth consideration. Thanks for mentioning . Would need analysis and combustion analysis in a diesel to know. Otherwise, sticking to the WVO is a good idea. From: doctor who [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 05:51:45 To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] zeolite - Digest Number 489 Is trap grease safe to burn in a vehicle engine? WVO is one thing but trap grease is the worst sludge I've ever seen. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Toyota Introduces Hybrid Minivan
Jun 15, 2001 Toyota Introduces Hybrid Minivan The Associated Press TOKYO (AP) - Toyota Motor Corp. unveiled Friday a minivan for the Japanese market that is powered by a hybrid fuel system, a combination gasoline engine and electric motor. Toyota has already sold more than 60,000 of the Prius hybrid compact cars in Japan, North America and Europe in three years. Fujio Cho, president of the top Japanese automaker, said his company plans to produce at least 300,000 hybrid vehicles a year by 2005. Toyota has no plans yet to export the hybrid Estima minivan, which gets 42 miles per gallon in test drives by Toyota. That's about twice the mileage of the gas-engine Estima, which has been sold in Japan, Europe and Australia, but not in North America. Hybrid vehicles switch back and forth between gas engine and electric motor, which makes for a more efficient ride and reduces emissions of the global-warming gases. It also recharges itself while driving, unlike electric cars which needing recharging. The hybrid Estima will sell for between 3.3 million yen ($27,000) and 3.6 million yen ($30,000). It delivers electric power, parked or in motion, and has electric sockets for hair-driers, laptops or microwave ovens to add a new dimension to leisure, Toyota said. The new hybrid underlines Toyota's hopes for a growing market here of environmentally friendly vehicles as the Japanese government implements stricter anti-emission regulations and offers tax breaks and other public support for low-emission vehicles in coming years. AP-ES-06-15-01 1025EDT This story can be found at : http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGAHE0G10OC.html Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Methanol Availability - Australia
Expensive -Original Message- From: Paul Gobert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 10:46 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Methanol Availability - Australia - Original Message - From: Barryt [EMAIL PROTECTED] I live on the northern beaches of Sydney. Does anyone in the group have some methanol locations that would suit me. Try BP (Australia) they market the methanol I am using. BP Methanol Straight. Available in 20L and 200L drums, Not sure of current price but about $200.00 per 200L drum I think. Regards Paul Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] NOT about Zeolite....
Can I ask you what your problem is? Maybe you need not be so anal about what the subject line says and read the message. I read all the messages. Is your internet connection and/or computer so slow that you can't load a message, if you see something uninteresting then delete it? I have a hard time thinking it could be that bad. Chill out a little -Martin Klingensmith --- Ken Provost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess I have to stop reading all the messages titled zeolite, since they're no longer about zeolite. I hope I don't miss out on something that IS about zeolite, or somethings equally interesting that ISN'T about zeolite. Come on, people, change the subject entry when you change the subject -- not doing so is just lazy...-K Certainly worth consideration. Thanks for mentioning . Would need analysis and combustion analysis in a diesel to know. Otherwise, sticking to the WVO is a good idea. From: doctor who [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 05:51:45 To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] zeolite - Digest Number 489 Is trap grease safe to burn in a vehicle engine? WVO is one thing but trap grease is the worst sludge I've ever seen. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. http://buzz.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Methanol Extraction
Just wondering if anyone bothers much about methanol extraction, and the whole issue about vacuum systems. Dave Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Fw: VITA Request: Rape Seed Oil
- Original Message - From: Richard Muffley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: VITA Volunteers [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 1:20 PM Subject: VITA Request: Rape Seed Oil If this request for information is not in your field of experience, please delete it. No response is necessary. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - A requester from an unspecified location is requesting perspective information on the costs and related process of rape seed oil. Thank you, Richard Muffley Information Services Manager Volunteers in Technical Assistance Suite 710 voice: 703-276-1800 1600 Wilson Boulevard fax: 703-243-1865 Arlington, Virginia 22209 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Forwarded message -- Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 08:56:33 EDT From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: TECHNICAL PAPER 40 DEAR SIRS ,WITH REFERENCE TO YOUR TECHNICAL PAPER 40 , I WOULD BE VERY GREATFUL IF YOU COULD ANSWER SEVERAL QUESTIONS FOR ME. WE ARE INTERESTED IN EXTRACTING RAPESEED OIL BUT I CANNOT DETERMINE WHETHER IT IS A WORTHWHILE PROCESS. EXAMPLE - 1 MT OF RAPESEEDS COSTS USD 400 - MAXIMUM FROM EXTRACTION WE WOULD ACHIEVE IS 350 LITRES OF CRUDE OIL. DURING REFINING AND DEOUDRISING WE WOULD LOSE 5 - 8 % MEANING WE ARE LEFT WITH APPROX 320 LITRES OF OIL - COST BEING 1.25 USD PER LITRE. BUT WE ARE CURRENTLY PURCHASING REFINED RAPESEED OIL IN DRUMS AT PRICE OF 0.55 USD PER LITRE ? THIS IS BAFFLING ME , IS THE OIL WATERED DOWN OR SOMEHING TO BRING THE COST DOWN OR SOMETHING. PLEASE YOUR HELP ON THIS SUBJECT WOULD BE WELL APPRECIATED. REGARDS M.IDRIS --- Request Posted: vwww.vita.org/inquiry/ Volunteers in Technical Assistance Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] NOT about Zeolite....
Can I ask you what your problem is? Maybe you need not be so anal about what the subject line says and read the message. I read all the messages. Is your internet connection and/or computer so slow that you can't load a message, if you see something uninteresting then delete it? I have a hard time thinking it could be that bad. Chill out a little -Martin Klingensmith He's right, you're wrong. Better not to make an issue of it. Please see Message #6710, Snipping, PLEASE TAKE NOTE - was Re: Re: [biofuel, Thu 6/14/2001: ... This is standard netiquette, much neglected but good behaviour nonetheless. Required behaviour. It's also a good idea to change the subject heading when you change the subject - eg, the subject heading of this message: Snipping, PLEASE TAKE NOTE - was Re: Re: [biofuel] Still start-up. It saves time, especially for people using the web interface to read messages while online. Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel list owner --- Ken Provost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess I have to stop reading all the messages titled zeolite, since they're no longer about zeolite. I hope I don't miss out on something that IS about zeolite, or somethings equally interesting that ISN'T about zeolite. Come on, people, change the subject entry when you change the subject -- not doing so is just lazy...-K Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] more svo questions, how to heat when car is cold?? and cost of oil?
we have not used a secondary pump, but may need to. let you know more next week. we don't switch over until the aux tank has warmed up, we run on biodiesel (or diesel) until tank hits 170F. This takes about 20 minutes at highway speeds. waste veggie oil is free. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: eric almanzan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 8:06 PM Subject: [biofuel] more svo questions, how to heat when car is cold?? and cost of oil? Ive been giving it some thought, and I think that filling the gas tank with veggie oil and supplying a heavy duty pump to push the oil up to the engine bay, where it will run through the cooling system and get up to heat, and then from there enter the injectors. How do you thin out the oil when the car isnt warmed up yet?? how bout an auxilary 2-3 gallon diesel tank to start with, and when car gets up to heat throw a switch to switch tanks. ive noticed that veggie oil is rather expensive, whats the cheapest it can be bought for?? __ Do You Yahoo!? Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. http://buzz.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] more svo questions, how to heat when car is cold?? and cost of oil?
heated waste veggie oil is pumped just fine by the injector pump. what did you have in mind that is thicker? Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: Martin Klingensmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 9:07 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] more svo questions, how to heat when car is cold?? and cost of oil? The plan is to use 'yellow grease' or used vegetable oil from restaurants, etc. It's free, most of the time. Your process would be to filter the WVO [waste vegetable oil] and remove water so it could go right into your car. I've been wondering how a fuel injector pump would handle something that is more viscous such as the heated WVO? comments anyone? -Martin Klingensmith --- eric almanzan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ive been giving it some thought, and I think that filling the gas tank with veggie oil and supplying a heavy duty pump to push the oil up to the engine bay, where it will run through the cooling system and get up to heat, and then from there enter the injectors. How do you thin out the oil when the car isnt warmed up yet?? how bout an auxilary 2-3 gallon diesel tank to start with, and when car gets up to heat throw a switch to switch tanks. ive noticed that veggie oil is rather expensive, whats the cheapest it can be bought for?? __ Do You Yahoo!? Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. http://buzz.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Methanol Extraction
Just wondering if anyone bothers much about methanol extraction, and the whole issue about vacuum systems. Dave .. Yup. Some of us do. When running small batches, it may not seem to be of much consequence, but it's about 5 gallons for every 50 gallons of output. That's a boatload of toxic material to be flushing down the drain or washing into a field. Nothing like creating another dead zone on the farm. Approximately 2% of the recoverable methanol is in the biodiesel. This amounts to about half of one gallon in 300 gallon batches. The remaining 98% recoverable is in the glycerin and amounts to ~29.5 gallons. At $1.50 or more a gallon for methanol, you can see where recovery becomes cost effective rather quickly. The least energy intense method of recovery requires that the 120 degree reaction temp is never lost - not even during a separation period. This permits a rather quick jump up to evaporation temp for the alcohol, rather than starting from scratch. The only way to achieve this is with a well insulated system. For shadetree operations, simple R-19 Kraft faced insulation secured to the vessel(s) with 2 box tape does the trick. Larger reactors of several hundred gallons or more would need spray insulation, which can usually be acquired at any tank fabrication company. Not only does the insulation reduce energy input during recovery, but during the reaction as well. After all, one of the purposes of making biodiesel is to reduce fossil fuel consumption, yes? Todd Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Methanol Extraction
What would you like to know about methanol extraction? What issue are you referring to? -Martin Klingensmith --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just wondering if anyone bothers much about methanol extraction, and the whole issue about vacuum systems. Dave __ Do You Yahoo!? Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. http://buzz.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: pumping WVO through an injection pump
I was curious as to the WVO, since it would still be more viscous than the diesel fuel if heated to about 150+ degrees --- steve spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: heated waste veggie oil is pumped just fine by the injector pump. what did you have in mind that is thicker? Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: Martin Klingensmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 9:07 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] more svo questions, how to heat when car is cold?? and cost of oil? The plan is to use 'yellow grease' or used vegetable oil from restaurants, etc. It's free, most of the time. Your process would be to filter the WVO [waste vegetable oil] and remove water so it could go right into your car. I've been wondering how a fuel injector pump would handle something that is more viscous such as the heated WVO? comments anyone? -Martin Klingensmith --- eric almanzan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ive been giving it some thought, and I think that filling the gas tank with veggie oil and supplying a heavy duty pump to push the oil up to the engine bay, where it will run through the cooling system and get up to heat, and then from there enter the injectors. How do you thin out the oil when the car isnt warmed up yet?? how bout an auxilary 2-3 gallon diesel tank to start with, and when car gets up to heat throw a switch to switch tanks. ive noticed that veggie oil is rather expensive, whats the cheapest it can be bought for?? __ Do You Yahoo!? Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. http://buzz.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. http://buzz.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] more svo questions, how to heat when car is cold?? and cost of oil?
so you do use an auxilary tank. that was just something i just came up with in my head, so im on the right track, good. next week some time my grad cylinders should be coming in the mail, im going to brew up a few liters first to see how it goes. but ive already figured out how to do 40 gallons at a time. as for running wvo, do you filter it out?? id imagine youd have to --- steve spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: we have not used a secondary pump, but may need to. let you know more next week. we don't switch over until the aux tank has warmed up, we run on biodiesel (or diesel) until tank hits 170F. This takes about 20 minutes at highway speeds. waste veggie oil is free. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: eric almanzan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 8:06 PM Subject: [biofuel] more svo questions, how to heat when car is cold?? and cost of oil? Ive been giving it some thought, and I think that filling the gas tank with veggie oil and supplying a heavy duty pump to push the oil up to the engine bay, where it will run through the cooling system and get up to heat, and then from there enter the injectors. How do you thin out the oil when the car isnt warmed up yet?? how bout an auxilary 2-3 gallon diesel tank to start with, and when car gets up to heat throw a switch to switch tanks. ive noticed that veggie oil is rather expensive, whats the cheapest it can be bought for?? __ Do You Yahoo!? Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. http://buzz.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. http://buzz.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] more svo questions, how to heat when car is cold?? and cost of oil?
Steve, what are you guys doing for filtering prior to tank and then as on-board filtering? If I missed this in an earlier post, my apologies. Ed B. www.biofuels.ca - Original Message - From: steve spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 6:27 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] more svo questions, how to heat when car is cold?? and cost of oil? we have not used a secondary pump, but may need to. let you know more next week. we don't switch over until the aux tank has warmed up, we run on biodiesel (or diesel) until tank hits 170F. This takes about 20 minutes at highway speeds. waste veggie oil is free. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: eric almanzan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 8:06 PM Subject: [biofuel] more svo questions, how to heat when car is cold?? and cost of oil? Ive been giving it some thought, and I think that filling the gas tank with veggie oil and supplying a heavy duty pump to push the oil up to the engine bay, where it will run through the cooling system and get up to heat, and then from there enter the injectors. How do you thin out the oil when the car isnt warmed up yet?? how bout an auxilary 2-3 gallon diesel tank to start with, and when car gets up to heat throw a switch to switch tanks. ive noticed that veggie oil is rather expensive, whats the cheapest it can be bought for?? __ Do You Yahoo!? Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. http://buzz.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Future Truck
Dodge Ram is hopping on the bandwagon with their due in 2004 diesel/electric hybrid truck. Being billed as the contractors special the small block v8 engine can produce 20kw of AC voltage. Effectivly displacing the need to carry a generator around. Theis new v8 engine is power on demand. meaning that for crusing speeds and idling it only uses 4 cylinders but can increment up 2(v6 or full power @ V8) cylinders at a time almost instantly to compensate for pulling off from dead stop or running the electical power plant at full blast. Unlike some hybrid vehicles this truck does not look like a aerodynamic jelly bean. It has classic truck styling to appeal to the macho man who wouldnt be caught dead in a 'rice burner'. cheers, cordain dulles, va From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Future Truck Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 16:12:12 +0900 Keith, I read your posting on the General Motors Future Truck competition and thought I'd add a few comments. The suburbans were Hybrid electic vehicles, some with diesel and some with gasoline/alcohol fueled engines. The last one left here (Milford) on Monday for Washington DC. I don't know the results as yet. One of them (I don't remember which one) had a very annoying whine to it.The article you posted did not note that several of the diesel engines were fueled with Biodiesel. True, only B-20 , but it's a start! Hope you find this interesting. Have a great day.~Joe Keith, I didn't expect an answer so quickly, I thought it would be the wee hours of the morning for you when I posted this message.Anyway, take a look at www.future truck.org for lots more info on the vehicles, particularly: http://www.futuretruck.org/competition/2001technologies.html. Vehicle specs there. Did I metion that I work in the chem lab of the emmission wing at the General Motors Proving Grounds in Milford Michigan? Doing my part to keep the Earth green. My best to you .Joe Thanks once again Joe. U. of Idaho, Tennessee and George Washington running hybrids on B20. Idaho's no surprise, but I'd've thought they'd use B100, if anyone. There's this idea that B20 gets the most economical emissions reductions per buck, though quite how you'd cost such a thing is beyond me. EPA measures I suppose - the people who get killed by all the PM etc don't get to cast a vote and their hospitalization bills aren't figured, etc etc. The time will come. Great, I'll do some more digging, get onto the folks at Idaho. there. Did I metion that I work in the chem lab of the emmission wing at the General Motors Proving Grounds in Milford Michigan? Doing my part to keep the Earth green. My best to you .Joe I figured some such from your bcc: Joseph Martelle/US/GM/GMC Didn't figure the emissions wing though. Very glad to have you with us. (It was the wee small hours, by the way!) All best Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: pumping WVO through an injection pump
we are hitting temps of 170F, and the pump only seems to have problems at idle. we will be troubleshooting further tomorrow. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: Martin Klingensmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 10:13 PM Subject: [biofuel] Re: pumping WVO through an injection pump I was curious as to the WVO, since it would still be more viscous than the diesel fuel if heated to about 150+ degrees --- steve spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: heated waste veggie oil is pumped just fine by the injector pump. what did you have in mind that is thicker? Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: Martin Klingensmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 9:07 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] more svo questions, how to heat when car is cold?? and cost of oil? The plan is to use 'yellow grease' or used vegetable oil from restaurants, etc. It's free, most of the time. Your process would be to filter the WVO [waste vegetable oil] and remove water so it could go right into your car. I've been wondering how a fuel injector pump would handle something that is more viscous such as the heated WVO? comments anyone? -Martin Klingensmith --- eric almanzan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ive been giving it some thought, and I think that filling the gas tank with veggie oil and supplying a heavy duty pump to push the oil up to the engine bay, where it will run through the cooling system and get up to heat, and then from there enter the injectors. How do you thin out the oil when the car isnt warmed up yet?? how bout an auxilary 2-3 gallon diesel tank to start with, and when car gets up to heat throw a switch to switch tanks. ive noticed that veggie oil is rather expensive, whats the cheapest it can be bought for?? __ Do You Yahoo!? Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. http://buzz.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. http://buzz.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Message Heading
I also have to agree with the need to change the subject heading. We seem to loose a lot of people on the list becuase there is too much information. Also to make it clear for some people I have an Athlon 1.2Ghz with a cable connection so I am able to load all the messages!, but like many others my time is valuable. One should be able to read the subject and decide if they want to spend their valuable time reading it or not. Hence if you have a new subject take to time to change the Subject to indicate so. Only continue using the RE in the subject if your comments are truly continuing the original subject. If we all take 2 seconds to change the Subject more people will stay on the list and our cause will continue to grow [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] more svo questions, how to heat when car is cold?? and cost of oil?
a cloth filter for the first run, coffee filters before it goes into the tank. standard diesel fuel filter once heated. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: Edward Beggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 10:36 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] more svo questions, how to heat when car is cold?? and cost of oil? Steve, what are you guys doing for filtering prior to tank and then as on-board filtering? If I missed this in an earlier post, my apologies. Ed B. www.biofuels.ca - Original Message - From: steve spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 6:27 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] more svo questions, how to heat when car is cold?? and cost of oil? we have not used a secondary pump, but may need to. let you know more next week. we don't switch over until the aux tank has warmed up, we run on biodiesel (or diesel) until tank hits 170F. This takes about 20 minutes at highway speeds. waste veggie oil is free. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: eric almanzan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 8:06 PM Subject: [biofuel] more svo questions, how to heat when car is cold?? and cost of oil? Ive been giving it some thought, and I think that filling the gas tank with veggie oil and supplying a heavy duty pump to push the oil up to the engine bay, where it will run through the cooling system and get up to heat, and then from there enter the injectors. How do you thin out the oil when the car isnt warmed up yet?? how bout an auxilary 2-3 gallon diesel tank to start with, and when car gets up to heat throw a switch to switch tanks. ive noticed that veggie oil is rather expensive, whats the cheapest it can be bought for?? __ Do You Yahoo!? Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. http://buzz.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Future Truck
Keith, I read your posting on the General Motors Future Truck competition and thought I'd add a few comments. The suburbans were Hybrid electic vehicles, some with diesel and some with gasoline/alcohol fueled engines. The last one left here (Milford) on Monday for Washington DC. I don't know the results as yet. One of them (I don't remember which one) had a very annoying whine to it.The article you posted did not note that several of the diesel engines were fueled with Biodiesel. True, only B-20 , but it's a start! Hope you find this interesting. Have a great day.~Joe Keith, I didn't expect an answer so quickly, I thought it would be the wee hours of the morning for you when I posted this message.Anyway, take a look at www.future truck.org for lots more info on the vehicles, particularly: http://www.futuretruck.org/competition/2001technologies.html. Vehicle specs there. Did I metion that I work in the chem lab of the emmission wing at the General Motors Proving Grounds in Milford Michigan? Doing my part to keep the Earth green. My best to you .Joe Thanks once again Joe. U. of Idaho, Tennessee and George Washington running hybrids on B20. Idaho's no surprise, but I'd've thought they'd use B100, if anyone. There's this idea that B20 gets the most economical emissions reductions per buck, though quite how you'd cost such a thing is beyond me. EPA measures I suppose - the people who get killed by all the PM etc don't get to cast a vote and their hospitalization bills aren't figured, etc etc. The time will come. Great, I'll do some more digging, get onto the folks at Idaho. there. Did I metion that I work in the chem lab of the emmission wing at the General Motors Proving Grounds in Milford Michigan? Doing my part to keep the Earth green. My best to you .Joe I figured some such from your bcc: Joseph Martelle/US/GM/GMC Didn't figure the emissions wing though. Very glad to have you with us. (It was the wee small hours, by the way!) All best Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] 30,000 miles on DIY biodiesel - results
Couple of interesting messages below from Martin Steele, ace Brit biodieseller, following a spot of bovver with his Volvo. Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ #1: I took my injectors out to do an inspection and guess what, serves someone else right, no 2 snapped off in the block. Anyway she is going in to a professional engineer, I can do the work but these days I get pissed with cut fingers. The other 5 injectors were done 15,000 miles ago, total mileage on bio = 32,000. The moral of the story is, you wouldnt leave spark plugs in for 100,000 miles so why leave injectors in that long, whip 'em out, strip 'em, clean 'em, reassemble, refit, irrespective of whether you run on Bio d or Diesel, if you follow these simple steps your troubles will be few. :-( WEEP. #2: What a day, we finally cracked the cylinder head open, I waited with baited breath, what was about to be revealed was beyond my best hopes, all five pots (No 2 injector was stuck when I bought the car, 1-3-4-5-6 were cleaned on purchase and refitted, 15,000 miles ago they were replaced, only no 2 stayed put) were in immaculate order, the cylinder head also was almost totally carbon free. Inlet and exhaust ports are clean, valves are free from burning or pitting, all injectors chattered like 5 little chaffinches when tested @ 155 BAR, on stripping they too were free from corrosion pitting and rust, around the tip of the injector oil was visible, unusual, usually carbon would be found. All in all the fuel system was in immaculate order, the usual engine wear and tear was visible but not indicative of bad fuel or poor burning. What this exercise proves is that well-made methyl ester is every bit as good as diesel or commercially produced Bio d. So to produce and run for 30,000 miles, strip down and write report with photographic evidence = £0.00. Wonder how much that would cost if you went to some bungling Govt department, or a University, the result a 90-page document of sheer twaddle that bores you witless after page one, at a cost of millions. SOMETHING IS VERY WRONG! Martin Steele. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Methanol _Storage regulations Sydney Aust.
Paul, Thanks for your advice. I was only fast-tracking. Reagrds Barryt. - Original Message - From: Paul Gobert To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 10:32 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Methanol _Storage regulations Sydney Aust. - Original Message - From: Barryt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Are you aware of any storage limitation in suburban Sydney? regards Barryt Barry its some twenty or so years since I lived in Sydney so I can't help you there. Moved to far north Queensland many years ago to escaped the rat-race. Paradise up here, no place to get rich but great lifestyle. Suggest you contact your local council, fire brigade,dangerous goods office etc. Regards Paul. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: UK Veg Oil Consumption
James - not fussed about how much vegetable oil is consumed - more like what is left over for biodiesel to be made from! Nearest estimate of this is 120,000 tonnes a year which is currently collected. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Veg Oil Consumption
I've been given a figure for UK veg oil usage / consumption of 40 Kg per person per year. Can anyone confirm this or make comment please?? James Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
