Re: [biofuel] biofuel at the pumps
On Sat, 25 May 2002 17:05:42 +0900, you wrote: >Murdoch wrote: > >> >One has to note that new chemicals, drugs, GM crops, iffy stuff >> >promoted by the big guys does not exactly receive the same treatment. >> >What do they call it? - substantive equivalence, or something. >> >>But, if this is what it sounds like the idea that new substances >>may be taken as somewhat safe and not to be prohibited while some >>verification takes place, based on past testing of similar substances, > >What substance of the past would be similar to a GMO? > >>then why doesn't this biodiesel board get testing of some sort of >>standardized biodiesel done, and then all makers can make it, so long >>as they conform to some standards. > >You ask rather a lot of us. This board has only a virtual existence, >its membership is worldwide, not confined to the US, it has no >resources, it's dedicated to small-scale and home-production, it's >run by a small NGO devoted to Third World rural development issues. >And anyway, that wheel has already been invented, in many countries. >It is not our role at all. But it sounds like the testing has already been done, and the yellow biodiesel guy would be free to go and sell his goods so long as he was a member of the board. If testing has been done, then all that need be done is the EPA to get straight, for itself, what constitutes a fuel substantially similar to those biofuels that have already been tested. If it has not been done, then what would appear to be in everyone's interests would be for the testing to be done on fuels which can generally be considered representative of biodiesel, and then for approval of all makers to be contingent on their making substantially similar fuel. I know I know it would cost a lot, fine, the biodiesel board doesn't want to pay for anything, fine, good, what*ever*. I'm curious, since I am a taxpayer and a fuel-consumer, why the EPA, the DOE, and the politicians I vote for (including both Bushes) have been paying lip-service to biodiesel and biofuels for two decades or more and they still don't know what they are and what the public health effects are of using them. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/DlIU9C/4m7CAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: Diesel-bashing - was Re: [biofuel] Sen. John Kerry (Dem.: Mass.)
On Sun, 26 May 2002 12:10:09 +0900, you wrote: >Hello Murdoch >>I saw no info on this at journeyforever.org, > >Why would you expect to see info on it there? Because I saw a collection of news stories which seem give some news stories of where major diesel issues or advances appear, though on second-glance those stories don't appear much to follow individual politicians and their taking-up of the issue. http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_future.html >That's hardly its >focus. First, it's not a newsfeed, though there are newsfeeds on the >main Biofuels page, and more newsfeeds at Tim Castleman's site at >fuelandfiber.com. Second, we're a Third World rural development >project, doings in the industrialised countries are peripheral to us. That's fine, I won't treat it as a news feed or as having a primary interest in industrialized country stuff. It simply happens to be the only biofuel page I've been to in the last few months. >>but I wonder where this >>all stands now. He was making some really cutting remarks about Bush >>Administration Energy policies, and then a lot of his momentum was >>stopped by the diesel issue. > >We've discussed this here before, quite a few times. At various times >list members have attempted to counter the anti-diesel, >anti-biodiesel stance of the likes of Club Sierra, NRDC, EDF etc. I >think we may have had some success in specific cases, but they keep >on doing it. I think countering those efforts is relevant and interesting, and your discussion of past discussions seems interesting, but my question was meant to be much narrower than that. I was simply asking the status of Kerry's efforts and how he was being treated by those groups on that issue. I was not asking the status of the anti-diesel-bashing effort in general. By the way, largely because of yahoo's email switching-around, I was not monitoring this for some of the times you seem to be referencing. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Kwick Pick opens locked car doors, front doors, drawers, briefcases, padlocks, and more. On sale now! http://us.click.yahoo.com/ehaLqB/Fg5DAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] efficiency issue
Now that I«ve attained my first objective: effectiveness, I«m moving into the efficiency field. At least, I«m trying. My first goal was to make BD, and now I«ve become more or less familiarized with the process, so I«m checking out ways in which to reduce costs (moneywise and environment wise). FINDINGS: You can use 96¼ Ethanol! WHY: Well, methanol is usually cheap, but unattainable at home. Ethanol instead can be produced from fermentation and fractional distillation. 96¼ EtOH is hard to get to at home (you need a good still), but there are others more experienced in that field on the group. I used 25% of 96¼ alcohol, and 75% of methanol to make up the ammount I needed to transesterify the WVO (i.e., 100 ml WVO, 50 ml EtOH & 100 ml MeOH). The lye I added freely: I didn«t weigh it (I did this simply because I was testing and I sort of trained my eye to the 0,5 g I needed, but this is not recommended). The rest of the process was same as always. The result was one of the clearest batches of BD after the first setting stage. I figured that if 96¼ Ethanol was mixed in adecuate proportions with a more pure alcohol, as methanol (mine was near 98.8%), the final ammount of water would still be low. In my case: 96% x 0,25 + 98.8% x 0.75 = 98.1% >From what I«ve gathered, less than 2% water usually works OK. If you can make your ethanol by fermenting free stuff like backyard grapes or something, then you could reduce the ammount of methanol required (the first is free, the latter you pay for). Anyhow, maybe the effort doesen«t pay off, but it«s worth a go. Regards, Christian [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/DlIU9C/4m7CAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Ethanol from glycerine?
Pierre, We saw the same doomsday piece on klebsiella bacteria. In any event, it's bio-tech. There are a couple of paths to produce ethanol from glycerol, just that it's not a single product or single step reaction. As well, all stages have to be conducted in tightly controlled environments. Co-products like butyric acid are not all that pleasant, if but from an olefactory perspective, and would soon have the health board knocking at your door looking for where you stashed 500 dead chickens. Decomposition of glycerol through destructive distillation produces acrolein. This is also a rather nasty product from a human health perspective. Still, probably the greatest use of glycerol for the home biodieseler would be process heat. Trick is coming up with a combustion system that essentially incinerated the glycerin. This would probably best be done with forced air in the combustion chamber, a fuel mix of glycerin and "x" and a well refined atomizer. That said, there's still no reason to stop researching fermentation of glycerin. A lot of people don't seem to think that a simple process is that far out of reach. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: pierremarx <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2002 3:23 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Ethanol from glycerine? > I've done a few searches on the topic. It seems as if it is vertually > impossible to produce ethanol from glycerine by fermentation - for a back > yard job, that is. It also seems as if some nasty genetically engineered > critters called "klebsiella" bacteria are needed for the fermentation. If > these are allowed to run free in nature (i.e. if you'd accidentally spill > materials that contain these critters), they kill all plant life they can > lay their "hands"/"teeth"/whatever on. > > Destructive distillation/gassification seems to be the only viable options > for candidate home producers of alcohol from glycerine... > > Later > Pierre > - Original Message - > From: "pierremarx" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 8:20 AM > Subject: [biofuel] Ethanol from glycerine? > > > > If it's possible, how would one produce ethanol from glycerine (unrefined > glycerol)? > > > > Pierre > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > > Biofuels list archives: > > http://archive.nnytech.net/ > > > > Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. > > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuels list archives: > http://archive.nnytech.net/ > > Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/DlIU9C/4m7CAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] newsfeeds
If you are looking for this kind of newsfeed you might try www.dieselnet.com Jesse Parris | studio53 | graphics / web design | stamford, ct | 203.324.4371 www.jesseparris.com/Portfolio_Jesse_Parris/ - Original Message - From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2002 11:10 PM > Hello Murdoch > > >A few months ago Senator Kerry, who is a likely candidate for > >President in 2004 (and probably someone I'd vote for), launched an > >across-the-bow campaign aimed at the Bush Administration's Energy > >Policies. It was well-crafted I thought, but a few weeks later he > >took a big blow (apparently) when his advocacy of increased diesel use > >here in the states was criticized by environmentalists. He attempted > >to discuss the high-mileage properties of diesel, the cleaner diesel > >used in Europe and so forth, and he was just blasted by a lot of > >folks, his enemies and allies alike. > > > >I saw no info on this at journeyforever.org, > > Why would you expect to see info on it there? ... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Disel-bashing - was Re: [biofuel] Sen. John Kerry (Dem.: Mass.)
Hello Murdoch >A few months ago Senator Kerry, who is a likely candidate for >President in 2004 (and probably someone I'd vote for), launched an >across-the-bow campaign aimed at the Bush Administration's Energy >Policies. It was well-crafted I thought, but a few weeks later he >took a big blow (apparently) when his advocacy of increased diesel use >here in the states was criticized by environmentalists. He attempted >to discuss the high-mileage properties of diesel, the cleaner diesel >used in Europe and so forth, and he was just blasted by a lot of >folks, his enemies and allies alike. > >I saw no info on this at journeyforever.org, Why would you expect to see info on it there? That's hardly its focus. First, it's not a newsfeed, though there are newsfeeds on the main Biofuels page, and more newsfeeds at Tim Castleman's site at fuelandfiber.com. Second, we're a Third World rural development project, doings in the industrialised countries are peripheral to us. >but I wonder where this >all stands now. He was making some really cutting remarks about Bush >Administration Energy policies, and then a lot of his momentum was >stopped by the diesel issue. We've discussed this here before, quite a few times. At various times list members have attempted to counter the anti-diesel, anti-biodiesel stance of the likes of Club Sierra, NRDC, EDF etc. I think we may have had some success in specific cases, but they keep on doing it. Have a look at this: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?view=11451&list=BIOFUEL Then we discussed compiling a resources page where people could find ammunition to use against diesel-bashers, and, worse, people like Club Sierra who bash biodiesel because it commits the cardinal sin of having something to do with beyond-the-pale diesels. I said I'd try to do that, though I'd need some help, and indeed I did get a bit of input, though not much. Especially it needed solid scientific studies, and not just references but summaries, well-presented and compiled for easy use by such as reporters. In other words it needed lots of work. Lots. This, for instance, was compiled by DieselNet, dated a few weeks after we discussed this stuff here: http://www.dieselnet.com/papers/0203watts/ Diesel Emissions Reference List: Health Effects, Measurement and Control Very useful, no doubt, but it's a 13,500-word compilation of literature citations, 545 of them, just the bare citations. "It is not a comprehensive list, but it may assist those who are beginning a literature search." In other words, useless for reporters. Now who's going to sort them out, seek them out, assess them, summarise the useful ones, and render this magnum opus in an accessible form? And get it 100% right, guaranteed,because it'll be open to attack. That's the best DieselNet can do, who I'd say are not underfunded, and it remains for a small, under-resourced Third World NGO 12,000 miles away with no direct interest in US affairs to do the real work? For no direct benefit, and at the expense of its real interests? I have a folder full of such references, 10 Mb of it. That's for starters, it's not exhaustive. I'd say it's at least a two-week full-time job for an experienced editor. I'd charge $50+ an hour for that kind of work, only Journey to Forever does not allow me to take on commissions unless they're directly within Journey to Forever's sphere of interests and will further them. That's not the case here, so this project is on the back-burner and is likely to stay there. I keep feeding new material into it as I come across it, but I don't seek it out, and the folder just sits there. Here's a summary though. The diesel-bashers don't have a real case, but "know your enemy": "Many so-called public-interest organizations have become big businesses, multinational nonprofit corporations... in the eighties and nineties, environmentalism became a big business, and organizations like the Audubon Society, the Wilderness Society, the National Wildlife Federation, the Environmental Defense Fund, and the Natural Resources Defense Council [and Club Sierra!] became competing multi-million-dollar bureaucracies. These organizations... seem much more interested in "the business of greening" than in fighting for fundamental social change. "Another problem is that big green groups have virtually no accountability to the many thousands of individuals who provide them with money. Meanwhile, the grass-roots environmental groups are starved of the hundreds of millions of dollars that are raised every year by these massive bureaucracies. Over the past two decades, they've turned the environmental movement's grass-roots base of support into little more than a list of donors they hustle for money via direct-mail appeals and telemarketing... It's getting even worse, because now corporations are directly funding groups like the Audubon Society, the Wilderness Society, and the National Wildlife F
Re: [biofuel] biofuel at the pumps
Greg, Sorry. The yard grabbed my attentions all day. I wish I had a definitive answer for you. I'm looking back at my notes and I see two references to exemptions. One is an exemption for "extensive health affects studies" for producers under $10 million a year. The other states a waiver of Tier II studies for low volume producers of biodiesel under the same $10 million annual revenues, with apparently Tier I mandatory unless one joins the NBB. It's an EPA thing, with the specific answer you and everyone is looking for laying within their realm. Trick is getting to someone who knows the answer sometime before all your teeth fall out. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Greg and April <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2002 1:05 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] biofuel at the pumps > > - Original Message - > From: "Appal Energy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Friday, May 24, 2002 20:33 > Subject: Re: [biofuel] biofuel at the pumps > > > > > of biodiesel under a given amount won't have to conduct > > Health Affects studies any more than small volume dino-diesel > > producers do today. > > > > Were can I find more info on this small volume dino-diesel exemption? > > Greg H. > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ADVERTISEMENT > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuels list archives: > http://archive.nnytech.net/ > > Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/DlIU9C/4m7CAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] MegaSquirt - Electronic Fuel Injection Computer by Bowling & Grippo
very nice Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/ Human powered devices, equipment, and transport - http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/2000/humanpower.htm [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "kirk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Biofuel@Yahoogroups.Com (E-mail)" Sent: Friday, May 24, 2002 8:01 PM Subject: [biofuel] MegaSquirt - Electronic Fuel Injection Computer by Bowling & Grippo > > build it yourself > http://www.bgsoflex.com/megasquirt.html > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Fuel and Fuel additives registration
The F/FA registration program is authorized by section 211 of the Clean Air Act (CAA) and codified in 40 CFR part 79. In accordance with CAA sections 211(a) and (b)(1), basic registration requirements applicable to gasoline and diesel fuels and their additives were issued in 1975. These regulations require manufacturers to submit information on their F/FA products, such as the commercial identity, chemical composition, purpose-in-use, and range of concentration, in order to have such products registered by the EPA. Additional registration requirements, implementing sections 211(b)(2) and (e), were proposed in April 1992 and http://www.epa.gov/EPA-AIR/1997/March/Day-17/a6023.htm http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/cfr/index.html to search cfr Part 79, registration: http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/cfr/cfrhtml_00/Title_40/40cfr79_00.html Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: biofuel at the pumps
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Greg and April" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > of biodiesel under a given amount won't have to conduct > > Health Affects studies any more than small volume dino-diesel > > producers do today. > > > Were can I find more info on this small volume dino-diesel exemption? > > Greg H. I've been looking at www.epa.gov searching the federal registry for biodiesel, haven't found any loopholes yet Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] Is 10% EthOH, 10%water, 20% bio, 60% diesel the ultimate blend?
>I fail to see how adding water to the fuel is of benefit. water injection >cools the air charge, allowing more air to be injested, boosting power, and >preventing premature detonation. water filters on diesels are there for a >reason. > > >Steve Spence >Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: >http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Have a look at this, Steve: http://www.epa.gov/otaq/models/analysis/emulsion/emulbibl.pdf Best Keith >Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/ >Human powered devices, equipment, and transport - >http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/2000/humanpower.htm >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >- Original Message - >From: "gjkimlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: >Sent: Friday, May 24, 2002 1:13 AM >Subject: [biofuels-biz] Is 10% EthOH, 10%water, 20% bio, 60% diesel the >ultimate blend? > > > > Some recent discussion on water injection focused on the cooling > > effect of the water and or ethanol. That is important as it would > > increase the effective turbo boost and increase the power output. If > > the boost effect is substantial though the increase in cylinder > > pressures must be a concern. Can the bottom end of the motor take it? > > Similar problem to after market fitting of turbos. > > Water CAN be blended with diesel!! A bus company in NSW (AUS) is > > trialing a 10% water emulsion using an emulsifying agent imported > > from the US. The stable emulsion looks like milk. The mix has a > > detergent effect, requiring precleaning of the fuel system to prevent > > filter blockage. In addition a coarser fuel filter is fitted. > > Apparently the water droplets are surrounded by diesel creating an > > effectively large particle size. The reported effects on pollution > > are similar to those recorded for diodiesel. In Bundaberg QLD a plant > > produces diesahol- a blend of ethanol with diesel. I have mixed > > absolute ethanol (and methanol) with biodiesel 50:50, the solution > > has been stable for 8 months now-no separation and no apparent > > freezing in response to sub zero nights. > > Low sulphur diesel has low lubricity and requires addition of a > > lubricant. I expect that either the water blend or the diesahol would > > be worse. It makes sense that the lubricant be biodiesel as it would > > also improve some of the fuel properties. I have no figures on the > > effect of either the water or Ethanol on Cetane but I would expect it > > to be lowered, both are reported to improve milage and power. > > Ethanol, bio and diesel blend quite well; to blend the water seems to > > require a "detergent" or emulsifier and since Fatty Acid Alcohols are > > the biodegradable detergents from the Eighties it follows that the > > biodiesel plant could provide them as well. I will look at the > > chemistry. > > Finding the best proportions of the four ingredients would require > > some factorial experimentation and may come down to cost > > effectiveness. > > It seems that this blend may be the most practical application of the > > current technology. > > For those interested in the blending process itself, consider > > homogenisation. Forcing a mixture through a slot at 3000 PSI onto > > an "anvil" apparently breaks up the particles in a way that prevents > > the components from separating hence creating a stable emulsion. The > > same may apply to the high freezing point Esters that have the > > potential to clog filters in cold weather, the crystals are very long > > and fibrous, just begging to be broken up by homogenisation. An > > alternative to removing them by winterisation. > > Regards from Harry. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/Ey.GAA/9bTolB/TM -~-> Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] switchgrass to ethanol/other topics
Hello Paul, Jeff >- Original Message - >From: "jmwelter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >[snip] > > Secondly, the mention of using vinegar vs roundup for organic > > farming is very intriguing, but household vinegar actually only > > contains 3% acetic acid. How do you get stronger concentrations of > > vinegar and how hard is it to make via fermentation? >Jeff, >Photographic stop bath is strong acetic acid with an indicator. >Glacial (conc) acetic acid is available from chemical suppliers. > >Regards, Paul Gobert. "It is advantageous to distill the beer as soon as possible. Occasionally, if it is allowed to sit, it will turn to vinegar. Vinegar is alcohol that has been oxidized to acetic acid. Certain enzymes present after fermentation act as catalysts and allow any air present in the mash solution to react with the alcohol to form acetic acid. In fact, if you want to produce vinegar, all you have to do to start the reaction is to bubble air through the fermented mash. Once the vinegar reaction has set in, the mash is lost. There is no cure. The only prevention is to separate the beer from the mash sediment and distill it as soon after fermentation is complete as possible." http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_manual/manual8-10.html Alcohol Fuel Manual Ch8-10 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] switchgrass to ethanol/other topics
- Original Message - From: "jmwelter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [snip] > Secondly, the mention of using vinegar vs roundup for organic > farming is very intriguing, but household vinegar actually only > contains 3% acetic acid. How do you get stronger concentrations of > vinegar and how hard is it to make via fermentation? Jeff, Photographic stop bath is strong acetic acid with an indicator. Glacial (conc) acetic acid is available from chemical suppliers. Regards, Paul Gobert. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.363 / Virus Database: 201 - Release Date: 21/05/02 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Glitches?
On Sat, May 25, 2002 at 11:09:48AM -0500, Harmon Seaver wrote: >The best address to send complaints to is [EMAIL PROTECTED] (which whois > lists as the administrative contact for ntlworld.com), also I've found that > [EMAIL PROTECTED] workds and neither give an autoreply. Hmm, did later get an "auto-reply" from [EMAIL PROTECTED], but it took so long I wonder if it wasn't really "auto". Still no reply from hostmaster however, and I've emailed him twice in the last couple of days. -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/DlIU9C/4m7CAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Ethanol from glycerine?
I've done a few searches on the topic. It seems as if it is vertually impossible to produce ethanol from glycerine by fermentation - for a back yard job, that is. It also seems as if some nasty genetically engineered critters called "klebsiella" bacteria are needed for the fermentation. If these are allowed to run free in nature (i.e. if you'd accidentally spill materials that contain these critters), they kill all plant life they can lay their "hands"/"teeth"/whatever on. Destructive distillation/gassification seems to be the only viable options for candidate home producers of alcohol from glycerine... Later Pierre - Original Message - From: "pierremarx" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 8:20 AM Subject: [biofuel] Ethanol from glycerine? > If it's possible, how would one produce ethanol from glycerine (unrefined glycerol)? > > Pierre > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuels list archives: > http://archive.nnytech.net/ > > Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Glitches?
Procmail does the job for me. Mailwasher is a windoze only app, won't run on anything I own. Procmail dumps the garbage before I ever see it, even works for all that asian/cyrillic/korean/chinese/etc spam, and you don't have to configure any mail readers or anything else. Plus the user base, amount of documentation and customized config recipes available is just awesome. On Sat, May 25, 2002 at 02:58:11PM -0400, steve spence wrote: > Mailwasher. I highly recommend it. > > http://www.mailwasher.net/ -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Glitches?
http://www.mailwasher.net/ Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/ Human powered devices, equipment, and transport - http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/2000/humanpower.htm [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Appal Energy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 8:50 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Glitches? > Steve, > > Might you share the source for that "blacklist" utility? > > Life's too short to keep being reminded of the foolish nature of > others even before the sleep is wiped from the eye in the > morning. > > Todd Swearingen > > - Original Message - > From: steve spence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 7:46 AM > Subject: Re: [biofuel] Glitches? > > > > I'm getting them too. somebody is having fun with a list that > does not do > > verification. If you subscribe to my mailing list, you get an > email that has > > to be confirmed, both for unsubs, and subs, to prevent this > dirty dealing. > > our "friends" at the biodiesel group have signed me up for all > kinds of > > porno lists etc, that don't have this feature. fortunately, I > have a great > > blacklist utility that runs against my mail server filtering > all this stuff > > out and bounces it back as undeliverable. > > > > > > Steve Spence > > Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: > > http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm > > > > Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/ > > Human powered devices, equipment, and transport - > > http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/2000/humanpower.htm > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - Original Message - > > From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 7:54 PM > > Subject: Re: [biofuel] Glitches? > > > > > > > >Keith, > > > > > > > >I've received a half a dozen messages from Lyrus ListManager > in > > > >the past week saying that I'm already a list member - to > what I > > > >don't know as I've not upped or re-upped on anything in > months > > > >save for the Bio-Biz list at Yahoo last week. > > > > > > > >Gives me an "unsubscribe" email addy at > > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > >Beats hell out of me what it's all aboutplonk...! > > > > > > > >Todd Swearingen > > > > > > Damn, you too? I didn't associate that with the list. > Elsevier's a > > > major publisher. .sg is Singapore. There's also a "feedback" > url, in > > > China: > > > http://elsevier.lib.tsinghua.edu.cn/home-html/feedback.shtml > > > > > > But if you go there you get a "Forbidden". > > > > > > Anyone else been getting these? > > > > > > They come from Elsevier Science, The Customer Support Team. > This is > > > the Elsevier Science url: > > > http://www.elsevier.com/ > > > > > > Here's an address for their Singapore Customer Support > Department: > > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > I'll write to them now. If you're also being bothered, maybe > a few > > > more letters might help to get some results. > > > > > > Best > > > > > > Keith > > > > > > > > > > > > >- Original Message - > > > >From: Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >To: > > > >Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 1:18 PM > > > >Subject: [biofuel] Glitches? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi all > > > > > > > > > > Is anyone else getting posts returned because of this: > > > > > > > > > > > The user(s) account is temporarily over quota. > > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > > > john.rogers9 is not a member of this list, by the way. I > don't > > > >know > > > > > what to do about it. > > > > > > > > > > Another oddity - both Midori and I have been getting > strange > > > >messages > > > > > from Yahoo about list subscriptions. Midori has received > a > > > > > notification asking her to confirm her subscription to > the > > > >Biodiesel > > > > > group, and another one to the vegoil-diesel group, though > she > > > >had > > > > > definitely not subscribed to either. I've received three > > > >rejection > > > > > notices from Yahoo saying that my attempt to subscribe to > the > > > > > Biodiesel group has been rejected because I'm already a > member; > > > >I > > > > > definitely did not attempt to subscribe. Is this > happening to > > > >anyone > > > > > else? Is this Yahoo or some smartass? Any ideas? Seems > very > > > >weird to > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > Keith > > > > > > > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > > > > Biofuels list archives: > > > http://archive.nnytech.net/ > > > > > > Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the > list address. > > > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > ADVERTISEMENT > > > > > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > http://journeytof
Re: [biofuel] Glitches?
Mailwasher. I highly recommend it. http://www.mailwasher.net/ Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/ Human powered devices, equipment, and transport - http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/2000/humanpower.htm [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "studio53" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 9:15 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Glitches? > http://www.impsec.org/email-tools/procmail-security.html > > Here you go... > > Jesse Parris | studio53 | graphics / web design | stamford, ct | > 203.324.4371 > www.jesseparris.com/Portfolio_Jesse_Parris/ > - Original Message - > From: "Harmon Seaver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 8:02 PM > Subject: Re: [biofuel] Glitches? > > > > n Wed, May 22, 2002 at 08:50:27PM -0400, Appal Energy wrote: > > > Steve, > > > > > > Might you share the source for that "blacklist" utility? > > > > > > > > > Procmail is the ultimate mail filter. It can even filter that asian > spam > > crap, on the subject line alone. > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuels list archives: > http://archive.nnytech.net/ > > Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] A question about moonshine.
160 proof (80%) is sufficient for ethanol only fuel. 100 % (200 proof) is necessary when mixing with gasoline (gasohol). Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/ Human powered devices, equipment, and transport - http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/2000/humanpower.htm [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "al" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 6:43 AM Subject: [biofuel] A question about moonshine. > Hi I have produced moonshine [()0O] > I know that its impossible to 99% alcohole wil a still > My question being [at the most you can get anout 94% and > not a great deal of that in distilling a batch] > what percentage HAS the alcohole to be and what happens > when you can reach that purity> > thanks al. > Message--- > > From: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, May 23, 2002 11:17:57 > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [biofuel] truck question > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuels list archives: > http://archive.nnytech.net/ > > Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/DlIU9C/4m7CAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] truck question
CTTS has been testing biodiesel in one project, and duramax engines in another. I wonder if the researchers did any crossbreeding. http://www.ctts.nrel.gov/transtimes/archives/times_100501.html expect to see a duramax running on biodiesel at the future truck competition. https://www.futuretruck.org/default.html Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/ Human powered devices, equipment, and transport - http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/2000/humanpower.htm [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 6:17 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] truck question > > > > > > Please respond to biofuel@yahoogroups.com > > To:biofuel@yahoogroups.com > cc: > Subject:Re: [biofuel] truck question > > > >Any chance of putting the Duramax in 3/4 ton Avalanche in the > >future? Also, have any test been done with Biodiesel on the > >Duramax? > > > I'm not so sure about the Duramax in the Avalanche. I'll check into it. No > there has been no testing of BioD in the Duramax, unless it has been done > by individuals (like us). Cheers, Joe > > > > > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuels list archives: > http://archive.nnytech.net/ > > Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/DlIU9C/4m7CAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Sen. John Kerry (Dem.: Mass.)
A few months ago Senator Kerry, who is a likely candidate for President in 2004 (and probably someone I'd vote for), launched an across-the-bow campaign aimed at the Bush Administration's Energy Policies. It was well-crafted I thought, but a few weeks later he took a big blow (apparently) when his advocacy of increased diesel use here in the states was criticized by environmentalists. He attempted to discuss the high-mileage properties of diesel, the cleaner diesel used in Europe and so forth, and he was just blasted by a lot of folks, his enemies and allies alike. I saw no info on this at journeyforever.org, but I wonder where this all stands now. He was making some really cutting remarks about Bush Administration Energy policies, and then a lot of his momentum was stopped by the diesel issue. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] biofuel at the pumps
- Original Message - From: "Appal Energy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, May 24, 2002 20:33 Subject: Re: [biofuel] biofuel at the pumps > > of biodiesel under a given amount won't have to conduct > Health Affects studies any more than small volume dino-diesel > producers do today. > Were can I find more info on this small volume dino-diesel exemption? Greg H. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Glitches?
The best address to send complaints to is [EMAIL PROTECTED] (which whois lists as the administrative contact for ntlworld.com), also I've found that [EMAIL PROTECTED] workds and neither give an autoreply. -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] US Government Backs Biobased Manufacturing
http://www.tompaine.com/feature.cfm/ID/5681 TOMPAINE.com - A Green Bill Of Health? The Government Backs Biobased Manufacturing Laura Iiyama is a freelance reporter based in Washington, DC. For the past three decades, manufacturers of biobased products have struggled to establish a toehold in the U.S. marketplace. These companies say their products, ranging from adhesives to plastic bags made of corn, soy or gelatin, are less polluting and more biodegradable than traditional petroleum-based products. But others say that biobased products may not live up to their environmentally-friendly claims. Today, products made from plant matter supply only a small percent of transportation, electricity or chemical needs in the United States, according to research. But a little-noticed provision buried in the farm bill that President Bush signed into law this May could spark a surge in sales for the biobased industry. Under the new law, federal agencies are now required to give biobased products preference over nonbiobased products that are comparable in price, performance and availability. Environmental and farm groups, eager to promote what many see as a kinder, gentler, greener path helped craft the provision, which is modeled on a previous directive for recycled paper. The earlier decree helped build the recycled paper industry. It opened the door for one of the largest purchasers in the United States -- the federal government -- to spend billions of dollars on more environmentally sustainable products. For years, David Morris, vice president of the nonprofit Institute for Local Self-Reliance (ILSR), has promoted shifting from what he calls today's corporate-run fossil fuel or hydrocarbon-based economy, to a local or farmer-owned plant or carbohydrate-based economy. Morris generally rates carbohydrate products far ahead of hydrocarbon products because they don't require the toxic chemicals and high temperatures, which are needed to extract and breakdown crude oil into petrochemicals. Furthermore, many biobased products are biodegradable, unlike their petrochemical counterparts, he says. But not everyone is certain that biobased products are more environmentally friendly. University of Oklahoma Professor Robert Anex says he wants to see "empirical evidence." Anex, a science and Journal of Industrial Ecology, which examines the environmental implications of biobased materials and fuels. Anex points to a 1999 article in Nature Biotechnology that compared a genetically engineered corn-based bioplastic to a similar amount of fossil fuel-derived polyethylene. The report concluded that bioplastic uses more energy because it involves a fermentation process. According to Anex, this means the biobased plastic actually winds-up producing more greenhouse gases, not less. Biobased supporters argue that the biobased industry is still in its early stages, and a lot more research needs to be done. But Anex says the relative environmental costs should be weighed now before biobased manufacturing takes off, even if it is "like comparing apples to oranges." When evaluating biobased products, factors like farming's erosion of topsoil, loss of soil nutrients as well as the effects of irrigation and pesticides, need to be considered, Anex says. While the use of fossil fuels to create products may require toxic chemicals, the process gains points for its relative efficiency. In the end, whether an individual biobased product is environmentally sustainable depends on the product and the process. Architect William McDonough's Virginia-based architectural firm, McDonough Braungart Design Chemistry (MBDC), designs products intended for "cradle-to-cradle" use -- recycling over and over without loss of quality, and without harming the environment or human health. MBDC worked with chemical company BASF to develop a new nylon called Savant that can be recycled and used in carpets. Ken Alston, an MBDC executive, says BASF is guaranteeing a certain percentage of reused, or "upcycled" material in its new Savant carpets. This way old material gets used again, and is not dumped into the trash. The MBDC Web site rates that type of recycled product as far superior to cotton, which requires a "pesticide intensive agricultural process." As Americans become more sensitive to environmental issues, many are being drawn to the biobased industry despite the many unanswered questions. Businesses that once kept such companies at arms length, are now pursuing biobased companies and the products' green credentials. Kim Kristoff is president of the Arizona-based GEMTEK, which produces non-toxic plant-based lubricants, detergents and shampoos. Kristoff recalls that when he started producing biobased products in 1991, he received "lots of sideways glances from people saying you're nuts, you will bomb." Even Kristoff began to have doubts during the next three years as GEMTEK lost $1.5 millio
Re: [biofuel] Re: Glitches?
Thank you Keith, We were just starting to get the same "over quota" message repeatedly for a second "...ntlworld.com" address. Todd - Original Message - From: Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2002 12:24 PM Subject: [biofuel] Re: Glitches? > Dear all > > The problem some or most or all of us been having with unwanted > subscriptions to a Lyris list should now be solved. That's this one: > > "Lyris ListManager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > The people who run this list, Elsevier Science (Singapore) Pte Ltd, > have been very cooperative, but they can't find the problem so > they've closed down that list until they do find it. > > Unlike ntlworld.com, who keep sending us messages each time we post > that <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>'s mailbox is full. Each time I get > one of those they automatically get an abuse complaint in return, > which they auto-respond to, which gets them another abuse complaint, > but they take no notice, obviously they're not going to pull their > fingers out (or maybe it's their heads). > > I discovered that, though [EMAIL PROTECTED] is not a member > here, he's registered under another name, so I unsubscribed him, but > the nuisance continues. We also have two other ntlworld.com members, > so I'm unsubscribing them too, and notifying them of course. I hope > this will fix the problem, and that those members will try to do > something about their ISP, at least if they want to rejoin. Meanwhile > no further members from that ISP will be accepted. > > I'm really sorry about all this, I hope things will soon return to > normal (whatever that may be). > > Please let me know if you're having any other such problems. > > Thanks for your patience. > > Regards > > Keith > Moderator, as such Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuels-biz] US Government Backs Biobased Manufacturing
http://www.tompaine.com/feature.cfm/ID/5681 TOMPAINE.com - A Green Bill Of Health? The Government Backs Biobased Manufacturing Laura Iiyama is a freelance reporter based in Washington, DC. For the past three decades, manufacturers of biobased products have struggled to establish a toehold in the U.S. marketplace. These companies say their products, ranging from adhesives to plastic bags made of corn, soy or gelatin, are less polluting and more biodegradable than traditional petroleum-based products. But others say that biobased products may not live up to their environmentally-friendly claims. Today, products made from plant matter supply only a small percent of transportation, electricity or chemical needs in the United States, according to research. But a little-noticed provision buried in the farm bill that President Bush signed into law this May could spark a surge in sales for the biobased industry. Under the new law, federal agencies are now required to give biobased products preference over nonbiobased products that are comparable in price, performance and availability. Environmental and farm groups, eager to promote what many see as a kinder, gentler, greener path helped craft the provision, which is modeled on a previous directive for recycled paper. The earlier decree helped build the recycled paper industry. It opened the door for one of the largest purchasers in the United States -- the federal government -- to spend billions of dollars on more environmentally sustainable products. For years, David Morris, vice president of the nonprofit Institute for Local Self-Reliance (ILSR), has promoted shifting from what he calls today's corporate-run fossil fuel or hydrocarbon-based economy, to a local or farmer-owned plant or carbohydrate-based economy. Morris generally rates carbohydrate products far ahead of hydrocarbon products because they don't require the toxic chemicals and high temperatures, which are needed to extract and breakdown crude oil into petrochemicals. Furthermore, many biobased products are biodegradable, unlike their petrochemical counterparts, he says. But not everyone is certain that biobased products are more environmentally friendly. University of Oklahoma Professor Robert Anex says he wants to see "empirical evidence." Anex, a science and Journal of Industrial Ecology, which examines the environmental implications of biobased materials and fuels. Anex points to a 1999 article in Nature Biotechnology that compared a genetically engineered corn-based bioplastic to a similar amount of fossil fuel-derived polyethylene. The report concluded that bioplastic uses more energy because it involves a fermentation process. According to Anex, this means the biobased plastic actually winds-up producing more greenhouse gases, not less. Biobased supporters argue that the biobased industry is still in its early stages, and a lot more research needs to be done. But Anex says the relative environmental costs should be weighed now before biobased manufacturing takes off, even if it is "like comparing apples to oranges." When evaluating biobased products, factors like farming's erosion of topsoil, loss of soil nutrients as well as the effects of irrigation and pesticides, need to be considered, Anex says. While the use of fossil fuels to create products may require toxic chemicals, the process gains points for its relative efficiency. In the end, whether an individual biobased product is environmentally sustainable depends on the product and the process. Architect William McDonough's Virginia-based architectural firm, McDonough Braungart Design Chemistry (MBDC), designs products intended for "cradle-to-cradle" use -- recycling over and over without loss of quality, and without harming the environment or human health. MBDC worked with chemical company BASF to develop a new nylon called Savant that can be recycled and used in carpets. Ken Alston, an MBDC executive, says BASF is guaranteeing a certain percentage of reused, or "upcycled" material in its new Savant carpets. This way old material gets used again, and is not dumped into the trash. The MBDC Web site rates that type of recycled product as far superior to cotton, which requires a "pesticide intensive agricultural process." As Americans become more sensitive to environmental issues, many are being drawn to the biobased industry despite the many unanswered questions. Businesses that once kept such companies at arms length, are now pursuing biobased companies and the products' green credentials. Kim Kristoff is president of the Arizona-based GEMTEK, which produces non-toxic plant-based lubricants, detergents and shampoos. Kristoff recalls that when he started producing biobased products in 1991, he received "lots of sideways glances from people saying you're nuts, you will bomb." Even Kristoff began to have doubts during the next three years as GEMTEK lost $1.5 millio
[biofuel] Re: Glitches?
Dear all The problem some or most or all of us been having with unwanted subscriptions to a Lyris list should now be solved. That's this one: "Lyris ListManager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The people who run this list, Elsevier Science (Singapore) Pte Ltd, have been very cooperative, but they can't find the problem so they've closed down that list until they do find it. Unlike ntlworld.com, who keep sending us messages each time we post that <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>'s mailbox is full. Each time I get one of those they automatically get an abuse complaint in return, which they auto-respond to, which gets them another abuse complaint, but they take no notice, obviously they're not going to pull their fingers out (or maybe it's their heads). I discovered that, though [EMAIL PROTECTED] is not a member here, he's registered under another name, so I unsubscribed him, but the nuisance continues. We also have two other ntlworld.com members, so I'm unsubscribing them too, and notifying them of course. I hope this will fix the problem, and that those members will try to do something about their ISP, at least if they want to rejoin. Meanwhile no further members from that ISP will be accepted. I'm really sorry about all this, I hope things will soon return to normal (whatever that may be). Please let me know if you're having any other such problems. Thanks for your patience. Regards Keith Moderator, as such >Hi Motie > > >--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hi all > > > > > > Is anyone else getting posts returned because of this: > > > > > > > The user(s) account is temporarily over quota. > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > john.rogers9 is not a member of this list, by the way. I don't know > > > what to do about it. > > > > > > Another oddity - both Midori and I have been getting strange > >messages > > > from Yahoo about list subscriptions. Midori has received a > > > notification asking her to confirm her subscription to the > >Biodiesel > > > group, and another one to the vegoil-diesel group, though she had > > > definitely not subscribed to either. I've received three rejection > > > notices from Yahoo saying that my attempt to subscribe to the > > > Biodiesel group has been rejected because I'm already a member; I > > > definitely did not attempt to subscribe. Is this happening to > >anyone > > > else? Is this Yahoo or some smartass? Any ideas? Seems very weird > >to > > > me. > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Keith > > > >I just got a post returned for overquota to the address you > >mentioned. I also got the same emails to confirm my subscriptions. > >Was that this one that Todd mentioned, which I'm also getting? >"Lyris ListManager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Or the Yahoo groups Midori and I are getting? > > > I am speculating that it is a residual portion of the Virus that has > >been around, using our Email addresses as "From" and mailing to other > >Email addresses it picks up. The Yahoo mailer may be picking these up > >as requests for subscription? > >It seems to be different things happening at the same time, just by >coincidence. I hope john.rogers9's dumbo ISP has got swamped by >complaints from list members, maybe they'll get their asses in gear. >Our Yahoo subscriptions are a mystery, but I think that's some third >party with odd ideas rather than Yahoo being silly. > >Anyway, I contacted the Elseviers people at Singapore re the Lyris >list, and they promise to take action, traced it to China so far. >They'll let me know the result. They apologise for the inconvenience. >They do seem genuinely concerned. If it persists, here is the address >again: >Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Mention the Biofuel list. > >Sorry about all this people. > >Regards > >Keith > > >Motie Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] Is 10% EthOH, 10%water, 20% bio, 60% diesel the ultimate blend?
I fail to see how adding water to the fuel is of benefit. water injection cools the air charge, allowing more air to be injested, boosting power, and preventing premature detonation. water filters on diesels are there for a reason. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/ Human powered devices, equipment, and transport - http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/2000/humanpower.htm [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "gjkimlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, May 24, 2002 1:13 AM Subject: [biofuels-biz] Is 10% EthOH, 10%water, 20% bio, 60% diesel the ultimate blend? > Some recent discussion on water injection focused on the cooling > effect of the water and or ethanol. That is important as it would > increase the effective turbo boost and increase the power output. If > the boost effect is substantial though the increase in cylinder > pressures must be a concern. Can the bottom end of the motor take it? > Similar problem to after market fitting of turbos. > Water CAN be blended with diesel!! A bus company in NSW (AUS) is > trialing a 10% water emulsion using an emulsifying agent imported > from the US. The stable emulsion looks like milk. The mix has a > detergent effect, requiring precleaning of the fuel system to prevent > filter blockage. In addition a coarser fuel filter is fitted. > Apparently the water droplets are surrounded by diesel creating an > effectively large particle size. The reported effects on pollution > are similar to those recorded for diodiesel. In Bundaberg QLD a plant > produces diesahol- a blend of ethanol with diesel. I have mixed > absolute ethanol (and methanol) with biodiesel 50:50, the solution > has been stable for 8 months now-no separation and no apparent > freezing in response to sub zero nights. > Low sulphur diesel has low lubricity and requires addition of a > lubricant. I expect that either the water blend or the diesahol would > be worse. It makes sense that the lubricant be biodiesel as it would > also improve some of the fuel properties. I have no figures on the > effect of either the water or Ethanol on Cetane but I would expect it > to be lowered, both are reported to improve milage and power. > Ethanol, bio and diesel blend quite well; to blend the water seems to > require a "detergent" or emulsifier and since Fatty Acid Alcohols are > the biodegradable detergents from the Eighties it follows that the > biodiesel plant could provide them as well. I will look at the > chemistry. > Finding the best proportions of the four ingredients would require > some factorial experimentation and may come down to cost > effectiveness. > It seems that this blend may be the most practical application of the > current technology. > For those interested in the blending process itself, consider > homogenisation. Forcing a mixture through a slot at 3000 PSI onto > an "anvil" apparently breaks up the particles in a way that prevents > the components from separating hence creating a stable emulsion. The > same may apply to the high freezing point Esters that have the > potential to clog filters in cold weather, the crystals are very long > and fibrous, just begging to be broken up by homogenisation. An > alternative to removing them by winterisation. > Regards from Harry. > > > > Biofuels at Journey to Forever > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > Biofuel at WebConX > http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm > List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: > http://archive.nnytech.net/ > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/Ey.GAA/9bTolB/TM -~-> Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] switchgrass to ethanol/other topics
On Sat, May 25, 2002 at 01:55:17PM -, jmwelter wrote: > How much starch or fermentable material is in switchgrass when it is > fermented. I have been looking into switchgrass but they don't say > how they process it to ethanol. Is there a cellulosis process for > doing this? I thought the primary interest in switchgrass was for gasification, not fermenting. Ethanol (or syngas) can be made from the producer gas, but the most efficient use seems to be direct burning in an IC engine or gasturbine, or perhaps for steam. > > Corn for silage (whole plant) typically yields 5-7 tons of dry > matter per acre in WI, and I would assume that switchgrass would > yield close to the same in this colder climate. Switchgrass does at least 7 tons @ acre here, probably will close to double that with the new cultavars, but the main thing is it doesn't ever need replanting or irrigation even in dry areas. It's a native prairie plant in WI. Did you read the paper Todd posted the other day? -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] US EPA, ethanol industry to meet on pollution probe
On Sat, May 25, 2002 at 05:52:59PM +0900, Keith Addison wrote: > > EPA said the primary source of pollution at ethanol plants was the > drying process that turns the "mash," or corn residue, into livestock > feed. > Where is the CO coming from? It seems hardly likely it's coming from the mash, so are they using fossil fuels to dry the mash? That seems pretty stupid, they could use solar, plus burn some ethanol if it was too cloudy. I'd think they'd be burning corn itself if they needed auxiliary heat, or gasifying biomass like corn stover and cobs. -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] switchgrass to ethanol/other topics
How much starch or fermentable material is in switchgrass when it is fermented. I have been looking into switchgrass but they don't say how they process it to ethanol. Is there a cellulosis process for doing this? Corn for silage (whole plant) typically yields 5-7 tons of dry matter per acre in WI, and I would assume that switchgrass would yield close to the same in this colder climate. Last summer, sugarbeet farmers in MN were letting their piles of beets rot since the sugar market was so low last year. With MN being one of the top ethanol producers in the nation, why aren't they fermenting the sugarbeets for ethanol too and saving these farmers their rear ends? I'm sure it would be better than letting them rot! Secondly, the mention of using vinegar vs roundup for organic farming is very intriguing, but household vinegar actually only contains 3% acetic acid. How do you get stronger concentrations of vinegar and how hard is it to make via fermentation? JEFF Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] reverse osmosis of alcohol
Has anyone ever considered using reverse osmosis to remove water from alcohol? I am not talking about the distilled product which is 90% alcohol, but when it is done fermenting and contains 10-20% alcohol, would you be able to get enough water out to make it worthwhile to do so? I suppose that since water is H2O and is a very small molecule compared to ethanol CH3CH2OH, that there would be a permeable membrane selective enough to not let the alcohol pass through. JEFF Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuels-biz] US EPA, ethanol industry to meet on pollution probe
http://www.planetark.org/dailynewsstory.cfm/newsid/16072/story.htm Planet Ark : US EPA, ethanol industry to meet on pollution probe USA: May 22, 2002 WASHINGTON - The U.S. ethanol industry, suspected by the government of violating the Clean Air Act, will sit down with the Environmental Protection Agency early next month to hammer out a compromise that would avoid numerous federal investigations. Industry officials have indicated they would seek a quick resolution with the EPA, to avoid any disruptions their efforts to triple production of the corn-based gasoline additive over the next decade. A recent EPA investigation found several ethanol production facilities were emitting air pollutants such as carbon monoxide at a much greater rate than previously stated by the companies. EPA claims the problem is industry-wide. EPA said it will meet with at least 21 Midwestern ethanol companies at its agency's Chicago office on June 3. The two sides were expected to meet earlier this month, but the talks were rescheduled due to a scheduling conflict. Companies invited to attend include agribusiness giant Archer Daniels Midland and farm cooperative Land O'Lakes. EPA said the primary source of pollution at ethanol plants was the drying process that turns the "mash," or corn residue, into livestock feed. The industry has said it did not know of the problem until EPA began performing new environmental tests last autumn. EPA said if an agreement could not be reached at the meeting, the agency would remedy the violations company-by-company. Environmental groups have expressed concerns the EPA might use the private meeting to cut a favorable deal with the ethanol industry. An energy bill passed last month by the U.S. Senate would triple ethanol use by 2012. That provision is expected to emerge in a final energy bill that will be negotiated by lawmakers in both the House and Senate over the next few weeks. REUTERS NEWS SERVICE Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/Ey.GAA/9bTolB/TM -~-> Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] US EPA, ethanol industry to meet on pollution probe
http://www.planetark.org/dailynewsstory.cfm/newsid/16072/story.htm Planet Ark : US EPA, ethanol industry to meet on pollution probe USA: May 22, 2002 WASHINGTON - The U.S. ethanol industry, suspected by the government of violating the Clean Air Act, will sit down with the Environmental Protection Agency early next month to hammer out a compromise that would avoid numerous federal investigations. Industry officials have indicated they would seek a quick resolution with the EPA, to avoid any disruptions their efforts to triple production of the corn-based gasoline additive over the next decade. A recent EPA investigation found several ethanol production facilities were emitting air pollutants such as carbon monoxide at a much greater rate than previously stated by the companies. EPA claims the problem is industry-wide. EPA said it will meet with at least 21 Midwestern ethanol companies at its agency's Chicago office on June 3. The two sides were expected to meet earlier this month, but the talks were rescheduled due to a scheduling conflict. Companies invited to attend include agribusiness giant Archer Daniels Midland and farm cooperative Land O'Lakes. EPA said the primary source of pollution at ethanol plants was the drying process that turns the "mash," or corn residue, into livestock feed. The industry has said it did not know of the problem until EPA began performing new environmental tests last autumn. EPA said if an agreement could not be reached at the meeting, the agency would remedy the violations company-by-company. Environmental groups have expressed concerns the EPA might use the private meeting to cut a favorable deal with the ethanol industry. An energy bill passed last month by the U.S. Senate would triple ethanol use by 2012. That provision is expected to emerge in a final energy bill that will be negotiated by lawmakers in both the House and Senate over the next few weeks. REUTERS NEWS SERVICE Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/DlIU9C/4m7CAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuels-biz] GM, Suzuki explore making electric vehicles
http://www.planetark.org/dailynewsstory.cfm/newsid/16099/story.htm Planet Ark : GM, Suzuki explore making electric vehicles USA: May 23, 2002 DETROIT - General Motors Corp.'s and Suzuki Motor Corp.'s joint venture plant in Canada has signed an agreement with Electrovaya Inc. to develop electric vehicles, the Canadian battery manufacturer said yesterday. Under the memorandum of understanding, Electrovaya will develop an electric propulsion system, which unlike conventional internal combustion engines has no polluting emissions, for the Chevrolet Tracker and the Suzuki Vitara small sport utility vehicles built at the Ingersoll, Ontario, plant. However, the system could easily be transferred to other future products, said Electrovaya Chief Financial Officer Paul Van Damme. Should GM and Suzuki decide to develop electric vehicles with the Electrovaya system, they could reach market around mid-decade, Van Damme said. Automakers have been trying to build vehicles which pollute less in order to meet more stringent government regulations. They have been making electric vehicles in small numbers, but their acceptance has been thwarted due to the costs of the batteries and the limited range of electric vehicles. Electrovaya makes batteries for laptop computers, and this is its first agreement with an automaker, Van Damme said. The company claims its lithium-ion rechargeable battery delivers the highest energy density of any battery technology on the market. REUTERS NEWS SERVICE Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/DlIU9C/4m7CAA/Ey.GAA/9bTolB/TM -~-> Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] GM, Suzuki explore making electric vehicles
http://www.planetark.org/dailynewsstory.cfm/newsid/16099/story.htm Planet Ark : GM, Suzuki explore making electric vehicles USA: May 23, 2002 DETROIT - General Motors Corp.'s and Suzuki Motor Corp.'s joint venture plant in Canada has signed an agreement with Electrovaya Inc. to develop electric vehicles, the Canadian battery manufacturer said yesterday. Under the memorandum of understanding, Electrovaya will develop an electric propulsion system, which unlike conventional internal combustion engines has no polluting emissions, for the Chevrolet Tracker and the Suzuki Vitara small sport utility vehicles built at the Ingersoll, Ontario, plant. However, the system could easily be transferred to other future products, said Electrovaya Chief Financial Officer Paul Van Damme. Should GM and Suzuki decide to develop electric vehicles with the Electrovaya system, they could reach market around mid-decade, Van Damme said. Automakers have been trying to build vehicles which pollute less in order to meet more stringent government regulations. They have been making electric vehicles in small numbers, but their acceptance has been thwarted due to the costs of the batteries and the limited range of electric vehicles. Electrovaya makes batteries for laptop computers, and this is its first agreement with an automaker, Van Damme said. The company claims its lithium-ion rechargeable battery delivers the highest energy density of any battery technology on the market. REUTERS NEWS SERVICE Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/DlIU9C/4m7CAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] 'Smog Dogs' Track Down Dirtiest Cars on the Road
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/scitech/TechTV/techtv_smogdog020524.html ABCNEWS.com : Taking a Bite Out of Air Pollution 'Smog Dogs' Track Down Dirtiest Cars on the Road By Gary Nurenberg, Tech Live May 24 - A "smog dog" won't slobber on your slippers and deliver a newspaper as you sit in your favorite chair. It will, however, sniff your tailpipe with possibly embarrassing results. * 'Smog Dogs' Nip at Air Pollution * Photograph David Bowie * Sneak Peek at 'Tomb Raider: The Angel of Darkness' * Amazing Starfire Telescope * Beware Afghan Email Scam VIDEO * 'Super Mario Sunshine' Storms E3 Officials in northern Virginia are hoping the new pollution detectors will be able to help them avoid new sanctions from the Environmental Protection Agency, which has put the area on a watch list for having unacceptably high levels of air pollution. "Most of the pollution that we have here, the smog forming, is the result of vehicles," said Joe T. May, a member of the Virginia House of Delegates who sponsored a bill allowing the state transportation department to test smog dogs. "Ten percent of the cars account for 50 percent of the pollution," he said. To catch polluters, Virginia is trying out the smog dog - formally called the AccuScan Remote Vehicle Emissions Testing System. The device works by analyzing exhaust from cars as they pass roadside monitors. Invisible Light Sniffs Passing Tailpipes Jim Abbott of Connecticut-based Environmental Systems Products, which developed the smog dog, has demonstrated it in several states and is helping Virginia authorities learn how to use it. "We have an infrared and ultraviolet beam that shoots across the road [and is] reflected back by mirrors across the road," Abbott said as he sat in a van on Virginia's busy Interstate 66. "And as the gasses are emitted from the exhaust the amount of light that's reflected back into the equipment on this side of the road will tell exactly how much pollutants are being emitted out of the exhaust." A camera adjacent to the mirrors takes pictures of the passing license plates, and owners can be notified of results, good and bad. System Spots Clean Cars, Too "If a vehicle is identified as a gross polluter, what we would like to be able to do is bring that vehicle in for an official emissions inspection, and if it is in fact polluting, get it fixed," said J. Michael Thompson of Virginia's Department of Environmental Quality. The technology also can identify cars that are running very cleanly. Some states send letters to those drivers, congratulating them and telling them their next scheduled emissions test has been canceled. If Northern Virginia's air gets much worse, the EPA could slap development controls on the state, limit road building, and mandate the use of special gasoline. The state hopes the new technology can help prevent those actions from being taken. "We can isolate the small percentage of gross polluters and get them worked on in a much more timely manner and hence reduce the amount of pollution," said May, the state legislator. Although Virginia is just testing the idea, several Western states already use smog dogs. Copyright 2002 TechTV, Inc. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] US tax credit to help Japanese hybrid vehicles
http://www.planetark.org/dailynewsstory.cfm/newsid/16071/story.htm Planet Ark : US tax credit to help Japanese hybrid vehicles USA: May 22, 2002 DETROIT - The U.S. Internal Revenue Service said yesterday it would extend a tax credit of up to $2,000 to buyers of gasoline-electric hybrid vehicles, but only Japanese automakers are likely to benefit in the near future. Automakers have said hybrids offered the most promise for quick improvements in the fuel economy of cars and trucks, but have also warned that the high cost would limit their appeal to consumers. The IRS said the credit would apply to original owners of vehicles certified by the government as hybrids, which tether a regular gasoline engine to an electric motor and battery pack. To qualify, manufacturers have to pledge that the hybrid systems cost at least $2,000 to build. But the IRS also said the credit, which would be deducted from the buyer's gross income on a tax statement, would apply in full only to hybrids bought by the end of 2003. In 2004, it would begin to be phased out, with no credit after 2006. The only vehicles that would likely qualify today are all Japanese models - Honda Motor Co. Ltd.'s Insight and Civic hybrids, and Toyota Motor Corp.'s Prius. All three are sold in limited numbers, and the automakers have kept production low in part because of high costs. General Motors Corp., Ford Motor Co. and the Chrysler arm of DaimlerChrysler AG have all pledged to begin building hybrids in 2004, but have also said volumes would be small in the first years of production. Energy bills that passed the U.S. House and Senate this year include provisions for a variety of credits on hybrid vehicles, based on a vehicle's size, emissions and its fuel efficiency. President George W. Bush has proposed spending $3 billion on credits for hybrids and alternative-fuel vehicles. REUTERS NEWS SERVICE Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Blubber-bio?
http://www.planetark.org/dailynewsstory.cfm/newsid/16097/story.htm Planet Ark : Norway seeks to destroy whale blubber mountain NORWAY: May 23, 2002 OSLO - Norway offered whalers a tiny cash payment yesterday to destroy a 1,000-tonne blubber mountain after failing to entice Japan to import the fat as an expensive delicacy. Whalers said that the offer, of four Norwegian crowns ($0.49) a kilo (2.2 lbs) to help get rid of ageing blubber packed into freezers in northern Norway, was too low. Norway's whalers have been stockpiling blubber since Norway resumed commercial hunts of minke whales in 1993 in defiance of a moratorium by the International Whaling Commission (IWC), which is currently holding an annual meeting in Japan. The whalers had been hoping to export the creamy fat to Japan, where blubber is a delicacy and might be worth 150 crowns a kilo. But that plan failed to take off even though Norway gave an official green light for exports last year. "This is old blubber that has been in store so long that there is no market for it," Johan Williams, director general at the Fisheries Ministry, told Reuters. "This doesn't mean we've given up the idea of exports," he added. Norwegians dislike blubber, which whalers say stays edible even after several years in a freezer, and only eat the minke whale meat. If destroyed, the fat might end up as fuel in a power station. Norway's export plans, defying a convention on trade in endangered species, have stalled with some Japanese consumer groups saying Norwegian whale meat contains cancer-causing chemicals from the North Atlantic. "It's good that the ministry is trying to help. But four crowns a kilo won't even cover transport costs," Jan Kristiansen, representing whalers, told Norway's NTB news agency. "The buyers have paid up to seven crowns for the blubber, so they will lose," he said. He said that Norway and Japan seemed happy not to push for exports to avert international protests - a charge denied by Williams. "We're not going to pay for everything. We expect that both the buyers who speculated in profits from blubber and the fishermen should contribute to this project," he said. The IWC has repeatedly rejected pleas by Norway, Japan and Iceland to approve a resumption of whaling. The whaling nations argue that stocks of minke whales are plentiful, unlike other species like the giant blue whale. Norway has set a quota of 674 minke whales for this season. Story by Alister Doyle REUTERS NEWS SERVICE Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] test - please ignore
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[biofuels-biz] test - please ignore
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Re: [biofuel] biofuel at the pumps
Murdoch wrote: > >One has to note that new chemicals, drugs, GM crops, iffy stuff > >promoted by the big guys does not exactly receive the same treatment. > >What do they call it? - substantive equivalence, or something. > >But, if this is what it sounds like the idea that new substances >may be taken as somewhat safe and not to be prohibited while some >verification takes place, based on past testing of similar substances, What substance of the past would be similar to a GMO? >then why doesn't this biodiesel board get testing of some sort of >standardized biodiesel done, and then all makers can make it, so long >as they conform to some standards. You ask rather a lot of us. This board has only a virtual existence, its membership is worldwide, not confined to the US, it has no resources, it's dedicated to small-scale and home-production, it's run by a small NGO devoted to Third World rural development issues. And anyway, that wheel has already been invented, in many countries. It is not our role at all. >If we are to maintain credibility and show some good solid adherence >to the Precautionary Principle (oft ignored by many strident >activists) The Precautionary Principle is not ignored here. Presuming "substantive equivalence" of, say, GMOs to not-transgenic crops and foods certainly ignores it. Corporate interest groups and their buddies in government are definitely the major culprits when it comes to ignoring the Precautionary Principle, activists in only a very minor way. >there are certainly ways in which new fuels including >biodiesel might turn out to have unexpected or unintended unhealthful >effects. I think not with biodiesel, which now has many millions of miles and a large amount of research behind it. It's not exactly new, it's been in use for more than 70 years. In Germany more than 1,200 filling stations sell it at the pump, and it's cheaper than dino-diesel. How many pumps in the US now? Has it reached 10 yet? Biodiesel is pretty much a known quantity now - there could still be unexpected effects, as with everything, but the chances would be very small. The chances of unexpected effects with such as GMOs are rather high, and in fact emerging all the time, in spite of industry denials and very heavy-duty spin to the contrary. So no, it doesn't exactly receive the same treatment at all, and that's not at all justified. >But while this may be true, I don't think it's right for testing or >production to get held up on pretext of caution (not out of real >caution). In any case, surely some sorts of testing have already been >done. Indeed. Best Keith Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/DlIU9C/4m7CAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Digest Number 964
Al, > Hi I have produced moonshine [()0O] > I know that its impossible to 99% alcohole wil a still > My question being [at the most you can get anout 94% and > not a great deal of that in distilling a batch] > what percentage HAS the alcohole to be and what happens > when you can reach that purity> It depends on how effective your column is. I have a 1.5m x 2" diameter column, and it will produce 96% alcohol even when the wash is down to less than 1-2% alcohol. It does run as a batch - the boiler holds 30L. As the wash gets lower and lower in alcohol, it just means that I have to increase the "reflux ratio" slightly - eg collect less, and return more of the distillate back to the column to help purify the rising vapour. This column does the same job as about 12 pot stills one-after-the-other, but does it in a single pass. For more information about home distilling, see http://homedistiller.org , and also check out the "distillers" and "new_distillers" newsgroups at http://www.yahoogroups.com Tony Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
