Re: [biofuels-biz] Renewable Energy Development In Cuba - biodiesel?
It seems the Cubans are sticking to their ideology, that everything there comes from sugar cane. They have all the resources (climate, land, Jatropha) to grow oil plants and the possibility to use it directly in truck engines (IFA-trucks from former East Germany) without conversion. But nothing happens. Progress is a snail! Reinhard Henning Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: http://tlent.home.igc.org/renewable%20energy%20in%20cuba.html Renewable Energy Development In Cuba: Sustainability Responds To Economic Crisis April, 1997 ... Cuban annual per capita energy consumption has dropped to about four barrels of oil equivalent, half of what it was before the Special Period. By comparison, the U.S. uses the equivalent of 59 barrels of oil per person annually This is somewhat out of date, and there's no mention of biodiesel. I've read elsewhere that recycling of waste oil and fats into biodiesel is at a high level, but I see no more about it. Does anyone have more info on this? By the way, there's a study tour to Cuba being organized on the topic of: SUSTAINABLE AGRICULTURE: Cuba's Unprecedented Conversion to Organic Agriculture Contact: U.S. Mailing Address: Global Exchange Cuba - Sustainable Development/Sarah Dotlich 2017 Mission Street, Suite #303 San Francisco, CA 94708 Phone 415-255-7296, ext 231 This should include sustainable and renewable energy. If not, why not? Regards Keith Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- bagani GbR, Reinhard Henning, Rothkreuz 11, D-88138 Weissensberg, Germany Tel: ++49 8389 984129, Fax: 984128, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] internet: www.bagani.de Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- 4 DVDs Free +sp Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/Ey.GAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuels-biz] EREN Network News -- 08/21/02
= EREN NETWORK NEWS -- August 21, 2002 A weekly newsletter from the U.S. Department of Energy's (DOE) Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy Network (EREN). http://www.eren.doe.gov/ = Featuring: *News and Events New York Provides $17 Million for Five Wind Power Facilities Wind Projects Proposed in West Virginia and Northwest; Cape Wind to Install Test Tower New L.A. Cathedral Draws on 66-Kilowatt Solar Power System Australian Government Backs Kilometer-Tall Solar Tower ACEEE Names Champions of Energy Efficiency for 2002 Bonnie Raitt Takes the Green Highway on her Concert Tour New Passenger Rail Car Promises Cost-Effective Transit *Site News U.S. Fuel Cell Council *Energy Facts and Tips U.S. Power Systems Challenged by Heat, Transmission Problems *About this Newsletter -- NEWS AND EVENTS -- New York Provides $17 Million for Five Wind Power Facilities The New York State Energy Research and Development Authority (NESERDA) will provide $17 million to support the development of 315 megawatts of wind power in upstate New York. New York Governor George E. Pataki announced yesterday that grants of up to $5 million will go toward five wind energy projects, including a 100-megawatt wind power plant in Lewis County, a 75-megawatt wind plant in both Stueben and Yates counties, a 51-megawatt wind plant in Chautauqua County, a 50-megawatt wind plant in Erie County, and a 40.5-megawatt plant in Otsego County. Those counties include two along the eastern shore of Lake Erie, one about 25 miles east of Lake Ontario, one about 80 miles west of Albany, and two located in the Finger Lakes Region, about 45 miles south of Rochester. NYSERDA will award the $17 million pending successful negotiations with each of the five developers and upon completion of the site development. See the governor's press release on the NYSERDA Web site at: http://www.nyserda.org/press/pressother2002.html#WindFarms. NYSERDA also awarded $258,000 in late July toward a study of the potential to develop wind along the urbanized shoreline of Erie County, which includes the city of Buffalo. The study by Ecology Environment, Inc. involves monitoring six shoreline sites to determine if there is adequate wind speed for a wind power project and will produce computer simulations showing what an eventual wind facility might look like along the shoreline. See the governor's announcement at: http://www.state.ny.us/governor/press/year02/july22_2_02.htm. While New York is a leader in promoting renewable energy within the state, nearby New Jersey is doing its best to catch up: in early July, the New Jersey Board of Public Utilities (BPU) awarded $11.3 million to five renewable energy companies. Four of the grants were awarded as part of the Board's Grid Supply Renewable Energy Program and will help PSEG Energy Technologies install a landfill gas power plant, assist Hoburn Management Corporation with the installation of solar power systems on 40 to 50 roofs, and aid Clipper Windpower, Inc. and Community Energy, Inc. in their efforts to develop wind power projects. The fifth grant will provide $300,000 to Atlantic Renewable Energy Corporation to determine the feasibility of offshore wind power development along the New Jersey coastline. See the BPU press release, in Adobe PDF format only, at: http://www.bpu.state.nj.us/wwwroot/communication/20-02.pdf. Wind Projects Proposed in West Virginia and Northwest; Cape Wind to Install Test Tower Wind power continues to advance in the United States, with a new 225-megawatt wind facility proposed for West Virginia, a request for proposals for up to 50 megawatts of wind power in the Pacific Northwest, and approval of a critical step needed to develop the country's first offshore wind facility in Nantucket Sound. In West Virginia, wind developer Nedpower is in the process of performing a resource assessment for its proposed facility near Mount Storm. The company anticipates a $150 million project using 150 turbines, each with a capacity of up to 1.5 megawatts. See the Nedpower Web site at: http://www.nedpower.com/english/projects_storm.htm. Nedpower's planned location may be too close for comfort for another wind power developer, US WindForce, LLC, which also plans to build a large wind facility in the same area. See the US WindForce Web site at: http://uswindforce.com/default.asp?pg=projectspg2=mtstorm. In the Northwest, the Last Mile Electric Cooperative (LMEC) is seeking proposals for projects that could provide 25 to 50 megawatts of wind power to the Pacific Northwest and Northern California by the end of 2003. LMEC is a cooperative corporation of 16 public power
Re: [biofuels-biz] Renewable Energy Development In Cuba - biodiesel?
Hello Reinhard It seems the Cubans are sticking to their ideology, that everything there comes from sugar cane. Well, no, not really. The link I gave came from this site: http://www.globalexchange.org/campaigns/cuba/sustainable/index.html Cuba Campaign: Eco Cuba Exchange Have a look at the Organic Agriculture and Natural and Traditional Medicine sections. They have all the resources (climate, land, Jatropha) to grow oil plants and the possibility to use it directly in truck engines (IFA-trucks from former East Germany) without conversion. But nothing happens. Progress is a snail! They've made some quite extraordinary progress in some directions. Jatropha is an excellent oil plant, but no matter how excellent it is, I think a top-down, one-solution approach just wouldn't work there, and could be disastrous if that meant they abandoned further efforts at natural oils for fuel. It's a perfect set-up for the niche approach, highly localized, and that always means variety, options should have as much variety possible. They could probably succeed with this to the same spectacular extent they've succeeded with micro-farming and organics, which would be a real eye-opener for the rest of the world, as their organics success is proving to be. Even to Americans. But it requires an extremely localized approach, with local people fully involved in all the decisions, nothing decreed or imposed from above, except encouragement. Regards Keith Reinhard Henning Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: http://tlent.home.igc.org/renewable%20energy%20in%20cuba.html Renewable Energy Development In Cuba: Sustainability Responds To Economic Crisis April, 1997 ... Cuban annual per capita energy consumption has dropped to about four barrels of oil equivalent, half of what it was before the Special Period. By comparison, the U.S. uses the equivalent of 59 barrels of oil per person annually This is somewhat out of date, and there's no mention of biodiesel. I've read elsewhere that recycling of waste oil and fats into biodiesel is at a high level, but I see no more about it. Does anyone have more info on this? By the way, there's a study tour to Cuba being organized on the topic of: SUSTAINABLE AGRICULTURE: Cuba's Unprecedented Conversion to Organic Agriculture Contact: U.S. Mailing Address: Global Exchange Cuba - Sustainable Development/Sarah Dotlich 2017 Mission Street, Suite #303 San Francisco, CA 94708 Phone 415-255-7296, ext 231 This should include sustainable and renewable energy. If not, why not? Regards Keith Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- 4 DVDs Free +sp Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/mG3HAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] (FWIW) Melting glacier 'false alarm'
FWIW -- Melting glacier 'false alarm' http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=%2Fnews%2F2002%2F08%2F17%2Fwglac17.xml/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- 4 DVDs Free +sp Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] EREN Network News -- 08/21/02
= EREN NETWORK NEWS -- August 21, 2002 A weekly newsletter from the U.S. Department of Energy's (DOE) Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy Network (EREN). http://www.eren.doe.gov/ = Featuring: *News and Events New York Provides $17 Million for Five Wind Power Facilities Wind Projects Proposed in West Virginia and Northwest; Cape Wind to Install Test Tower New L.A. Cathedral Draws on 66-Kilowatt Solar Power System Australian Government Backs Kilometer-Tall Solar Tower ACEEE Names Champions of Energy Efficiency for 2002 Bonnie Raitt Takes the Green Highway on her Concert Tour New Passenger Rail Car Promises Cost-Effective Transit *Site News U.S. Fuel Cell Council *Energy Facts and Tips U.S. Power Systems Challenged by Heat, Transmission Problems *About this Newsletter -- NEWS AND EVENTS -- New York Provides $17 Million for Five Wind Power Facilities The New York State Energy Research and Development Authority (NESERDA) will provide $17 million to support the development of 315 megawatts of wind power in upstate New York. New York Governor George E. Pataki announced yesterday that grants of up to $5 million will go toward five wind energy projects, including a 100-megawatt wind power plant in Lewis County, a 75-megawatt wind plant in both Stueben and Yates counties, a 51-megawatt wind plant in Chautauqua County, a 50-megawatt wind plant in Erie County, and a 40.5-megawatt plant in Otsego County. Those counties include two along the eastern shore of Lake Erie, one about 25 miles east of Lake Ontario, one about 80 miles west of Albany, and two located in the Finger Lakes Region, about 45 miles south of Rochester. NYSERDA will award the $17 million pending successful negotiations with each of the five developers and upon completion of the site development. See the governor's press release on the NYSERDA Web site at: http://www.nyserda.org/press/pressother2002.html#WindFarms. NYSERDA also awarded $258,000 in late July toward a study of the potential to develop wind along the urbanized shoreline of Erie County, which includes the city of Buffalo. The study by Ecology Environment, Inc. involves monitoring six shoreline sites to determine if there is adequate wind speed for a wind power project and will produce computer simulations showing what an eventual wind facility might look like along the shoreline. See the governor's announcement at: http://www.state.ny.us/governor/press/year02/july22_2_02.htm. While New York is a leader in promoting renewable energy within the state, nearby New Jersey is doing its best to catch up: in early July, the New Jersey Board of Public Utilities (BPU) awarded $11.3 million to five renewable energy companies. Four of the grants were awarded as part of the Board's Grid Supply Renewable Energy Program and will help PSEG Energy Technologies install a landfill gas power plant, assist Hoburn Management Corporation with the installation of solar power systems on 40 to 50 roofs, and aid Clipper Windpower, Inc. and Community Energy, Inc. in their efforts to develop wind power projects. The fifth grant will provide $300,000 to Atlantic Renewable Energy Corporation to determine the feasibility of offshore wind power development along the New Jersey coastline. See the BPU press release, in Adobe PDF format only, at: http://www.bpu.state.nj.us/wwwroot/communication/20-02.pdf. Wind Projects Proposed in West Virginia and Northwest; Cape Wind to Install Test Tower Wind power continues to advance in the United States, with a new 225-megawatt wind facility proposed for West Virginia, a request for proposals for up to 50 megawatts of wind power in the Pacific Northwest, and approval of a critical step needed to develop the country's first offshore wind facility in Nantucket Sound. In West Virginia, wind developer Nedpower is in the process of performing a resource assessment for its proposed facility near Mount Storm. The company anticipates a $150 million project using 150 turbines, each with a capacity of up to 1.5 megawatts. See the Nedpower Web site at: http://www.nedpower.com/english/projects_storm.htm. Nedpower's planned location may be too close for comfort for another wind power developer, US WindForce, LLC, which also plans to build a large wind facility in the same area. See the US WindForce Web site at: http://uswindforce.com/default.asp?pg=projectspg2=mtstorm. In the Northwest, the Last Mile Electric Cooperative (LMEC) is seeking proposals for projects that could provide 25 to 50 megawatts of wind power to the Pacific Northwest and Northern California by the end of 2003. LMEC is a cooperative corporation of 16 public power
[biofuel] diesel engine after market products?
I am aware that there have been some significant advances in diesel technology in the last few years. One notable improvement is the common rail technology. One of my few complaints with my 85 Mercedes Diesel is the sluggishness on acceleration, which the common rail is supposed to correct. Does anyone know whether there are after-market products that bring this or any of the other improvements to older engines? Thanks, Mark Payton Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- 4 DVDs Free +sp Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/mG3HAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] process questions
I have some questions regarding a 30 gallon batch I just made and would really appreciate some help. I have been using the 2 stage method this summer with success. I use 6.25 grams of lye/litre of wvo with 25% of the volume of the wvo being methanol. 3/4 of that was added to the wvo and produced syrupy dark brown glycerine (like last time I made it). The next day I added the last 1/4 of the methoxide but did not get the gelatinous glycerine like I did last time, but got the dark liquidy syrup again. I am wondering why. Also, the final product is cloudy which might mean water in it. I have heated the final product to about 135-140 for a half hour but it did not seem to permanently get rid of the cloudiness. I do not wish to do the wash at the end-I've been having success running unwashed, clear fuel. So, knowing that I should heat the wvo hotter and longer before the process here are my questions: 1) Why did I not get gelationous glycerine in the second stage? 2 )Is the cloudiness water even though my reliable source of wvo does not let water get into his oil? 3) What temp and how long do you need to heat the final product to evap the water-without evaporating the methanol (which boils off at 140 degrees, I assume). 4) Is the methanol that has successfully mixed with the oil in danger of boiling off above 140 degrees or will only the excess methanol boil off. 5) If the cloudiness is water, why doesn't the water settle to the bottom the way it would after a wash? Why does it stay suspended? Does it eventually settle out to the bottom leaving clear bio-d on top? My batch before this one came out crystal clear and the car purrs with it. I don't want to run a cloudy mix in the car, should I wait to see if it settles-or heat it up again? Again how hot, how long Thanks in advance, Peter Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- 4 DVDs Free +sp Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/mG3HAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] diesel engine after market products?
Hi Mark, I don't think that such a thing exists. Or if it does I've never heard any mention of it. I've been on several VW diesel lists since about 1998, but haven't heard of any retro fit devices like you're looking for, at least for VW diesels. Old diesels use indirect injection, whereas the new clean diesels use Electronic Diesel Control and indirect injection in order to be able to support technologies like common rail or unit injection. I don't think common rail could be easily adapted to work on older engines since the Electronic controls are the main thing that makes common rail possible. As a side note, Mercedes is saying that a diesel E class will be brought back to North America for 2004, and Ford is supposed to be bringing the diesel Focus to the U.S. for 2005 or 2006. I think passenger car diesel options in North America will increase in the next few years, especially once ULS petroleum diesel becomes mandatory. Until then you may have to live with your sluggish old MB, or else buy a VW TDI. For biodieselers, VW still does not allow Biodiesel use in the TDI in North America. Although the NBB is trying to get VWoA to change their view since so many TDI owners have started to use BD. I for one am looking forward to being able to buy a new diesel powered car from more than one company, and being able to find BD at more public pumps. -Brett I am aware that there have been some significant advances in diesel technology in the last few years. One notable improvement is the common rail technology. One of my few complaints with my 85 Mercedes Diesel is the sluggishness on acceleration, which the common rail is supposed to correct. Does anyone know whether there are after-market products that bring this or any of the other improvements to older engines? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- 4 DVDs Free +sp Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/mG3HAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] biased scientists?
Hello Keith, Do you have links to the Swedish study, I like to see who did it and what they said. My impression is that the Swedish are very active on producing bio diesel at home. It is also a lot of diesel cars in Sweden. Sweden might have some special problems, mainly because of the weather. I still remember all the problems I had in -35 centigrade, when I forgot to mix the diesel with 10-15% kerosine (maybe I am wrong on English name, but it should be the liquid you use for dry cleaning and lamps). I suppose that vegetable oil poses even worse problems and get solid at those temperatures. It is also an other problem with new diesel cars and that has to do with the modern exhaust filtering systems. With them, the diesel pollute with cancerous particles 100% more than without them and is 50% worse than gasoline cars. I wonder if Bio Diesel might be a resolution to this problem. Without the filters, diesel is lowest on cancerous particles, but the smoke and smell is of course larger. I suppose that you have seen the Swiss and French studies, who also points out that the rate of death from exhaust pollution is around twice of the fatal accident rate. Hakan At 10:12 PM 8/21/2002 +0900, you wrote: Paddy wrote: If the chemists interested in the use of vegetable oil as a fuel advocated SVO they'd be making themselves redundent as they'd no longer need to mix smelly chemicals together and watch them change colour! Oh, I don't know - should be enough useful work to keep them in beer and cigarettes for a decade or so. You were saying it'd take 20 years I think. I don't think it'll take that long, but I'm sure there'll still be plenty to study. I'm not saying that they're all biased and I personnally think biodeisel is a useful fuel . just an amusing possibility. I'm well aware of scientific bias, generally, but in this case I don't think they're biased. Well, some have been, like the Swedish study, for instance - but that was biased against any kind of plant oil fuel. Generally they just have a different orientation to you, they're geared towards typical engine usage, as you said. Anyway, I don't think they should advocate anything, just research it. Keith Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- 4 DVDs Free +sp Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/mG3HAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Curious Was: [biofuel] biased scientists?
Of course, this has nothing at all with this conversation but . I'm really curious . How does putting on filters in an engines exhaust INCREASE cancerous pollution?? I mean, how does it ADD pollution that was not previously upstream of it?? Just wondering, Curtis --- Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is also an other problem with new diesel cars and that has to do with the modern exhaust filtering systems. With them, the diesel pollute with cancerous particles 100% more than without them and is 50% worse than gasoline cars. I wonder if Bio Diesel might be a resolution to this problem. Without the filters, diesel is lowest on cancerous particles, but the smoke and smell is of course larger. = Get your free newsletter at http://www.ezinfocenter.com/3122155/NL __ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- 4 DVDs Free +sp Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/mG3HAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] diesel vans?
Keith, I wanted to stop in at the counter and talk to the guy about the truck, but I was running late on a haircut appointment and didn't. I wish I had, though, because I can't remember if it was the smaller Astro looking van or the big boy. But I do remember that it was not the usual stripped-down utility-looking white Chevy truck that were all all so familiar seeing here in the States with no interior in the back and a bunch of metal shelves. This one looked nice, no logos, two tone, gold on the top and a little dark brown on the bottom, lots of chrome trim. Nice interior. It' probably falls into the SE catagory if there is one. Only reason I noticed it was the loud noise coming out of it. High, 1100rpm at least, idle. I love that sound so it caught my ear at once. The US diesels don't purr like the VW's do. By the way, I finally got an Isuzu Turbo-diesel Trooper II for myself and have just starting mapping out the changeover to WVO. Looks straight forward and simply really. I'm going to do the double tank with the electric valve changeover and electric heater for the WVO. Jesse Parris | studio53 | graphics / web design | stamford, ct | 203.324.4371 www.jesseparris.com/Portfolio_Jesse_Parris/ - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 9:29 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] diesel vans? Ford makes the e350 diesel, maybe even in the e250. I believe Chrysler also, but not sure. And now I have some work to do updating that list of diesels in the US, especially with vans. Thanks for the new info, one and all. I'll do it by tomorrow probably, and I think it'll need a few holes filled. What's Chevy's new diesel van, Jesse, any more details? Regards Keith Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards: http://www.green-trust.org Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: studio53 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 4:42 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] diesel vans? Chevrolet has a new diesel van. I saw and heard one sitting in front of a plumbing supply house idling. LOUD! Jesse Parris | studio53 | graphics / web design | stamford, ct | 203.324.4371 www.jesseparris.com/Portfolio_Jesse_Parris/ - Original Message - From: T. Gray Shaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 9:30 AM Subject: [biofuel] diesel vans? Hi, Does anyone know of a diesel van in current US production? The only diesel vans I found (Nissan Presage, Renault Espace, Peugeot Combispace) were not available stateside. One web site (http://www.allpar.com/mopar/Diesel.html ) talks about a 2.5 liter TDI engine for Chrysler minivans, but also says, As of January 2000 we do not know whether these engines will survive the Daimler takeover. Ford's Galaxy minivan was apparently sold by Volkswagen in Europe with a 1.9 diesel. The diesel Eurovan is apparently available in Canada - not helpful when you take into account obtaining parts. I don't think I'm interested in a used Vanagon, since they're all twenty years old. - Gray Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- 4 DVDs Free +sp Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/mG3HAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] BIG diesel vans?
Jan, Diesel steps-vans are on ebay all the time. Do a search in ebay with diesel. Jesse Parris | studio53 | graphics / web design | stamford, ct | 203.324.4371 www.jesseparris.com/Portfolio_Jesse_Parris/ - Original Message - From: Jan Steinman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 6:41 PM Subject: [biofuel] BIG diesel vans? From: Brett [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can buy a Sprinter if you want a brand new German engineered diesel cargo van... go to http://www.daimlerchrysler-vans.com Those look positively yummy, although they are expensive. EPA rates them at 22 mpg! However, the Sprinter is too small for me. (I'm not the original poster.) I'm looking for the absolutely best highway fuel economy I can get ... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- 4 DVDs Free +sp Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/mG3HAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: Curious Was: [biofuel] biased scientists?
Hi Curtis, It has to do with the size of the particles and the human defense system. The filters does let through and break up the pollution particles to a size where it will go directly to the lungs and body. This particles are the ones who creates cancer risks. It is the reason that some organizations tried to impose higher standard for oil power plants in the US, but the current administration stopped it. The same with standards for cars. Probably it is better with no standards, than the current ones. In fact an insufficient filtering was proven to be worse than no filtering. People have the defenses for what you can see and smell, but they do not like it and think that it is dangerous. So you take away smell and visual, making it more dangerous, but people are happy that they can notice some action. The most telling sample in the study, was the comparison with cigarettes. A diesel with filter was 9 cigarettes per km, a gasoline 6 and a diesel without filter 4 of cancerous particles. I take the numbers from memory and hope that I remember right. Since I read the investigation, I often wonder if filter cigarettes is only a ploy and they might be more dangerous than non-filter. But we are taking about Big Oil not Big Tobacco, but in some respects they can be compared on moral grounds. Hakan At 08:22 AM 8/21/2002 -0700, you wrote: Of course, this has nothing at all with this conversation but . I'm really curious . How does putting on filters in an engines exhaust INCREASE cancerous pollution?? I mean, how does it ADD pollution that was not previously upstream of it?? Just wondering, Curtis --- Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is also an other problem with new diesel cars and that has to do with the modern exhaust filtering systems. With them, the diesel pollute with cancerous particles 100% more than without them and is 50% worse than gasoline cars. I wonder if Bio Diesel might be a resolution to this problem. Without the filters, diesel is lowest on cancerous particles, but the smoke and smell is of course larger. = Get your free newsletter at http://www.ezinfocenter.com/3122155/NL __ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- 4 DVDs Free +sp Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/mG3HAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] diesel engine after market products?
I am aware that there have been some significant advances in diesel technology in the last few years. One notable improvement is the common rail technology. One of my few complaints with my 85 Mercedes Diesel is the sluggishness on acceleration, which the common rail is supposed to correct. Does anyone know whether there are after-market products that bring this or any of the other improvements to older engines? Thanks, Mark Payton Mark, No, unfortunately common rail direct injection is an entirely different animal than a high pressure injection pump with poppet injectors. It is computer controlled and can't be retro-fitted to an older engine. However, an entire engine with the controller package could be fitted into an older vehicle. Something I have been considering. Cheers, Joe. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- 4 DVDs Free +sp Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/mG3HAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] diesel vans?
Keith/Jesse, GM still makes the full size G-van (Chevy Express, GMC Savanna) with the 6.5L Turbo Diesel option. The diesel was discontinued in the Suburban in 1999, but not in the van. More vans are sold as work vehicles than SUVs don't cha know. The Duramax is still currently available only in a 3/4 ton or larger truck. The V-6 version of the D-Max will be in a lot more vehicles, but I don't know which ones yet. Regards, Joe. snip Keith, I wanted to stop in at the counter and talk to the guy about the truck, but I was running late on a haircut appointment and didn't. I wish I had, though, because I can't remember if it was the smaller Astro looking van or the big boy. But I do remember that it was not the usual stripped-down utility-looking white Chevy truck that were all all so familiar seeing here in the States with no interior in the back and a bunch of metal shelves. This one looked nice, no logos, two tone, gold on the top and a little dark brown on the bottom, lots of chrome trim. Nice interior. It' probably falls into the SE catagory if there is one. Only reason I noticed it was the loud noise coming out of it. High, 1100rpm at least, idle. I love that sound so it caught my ear at once. The US diesels don't purr like the VW's do. By the way, I finally got an Isuzu Turbo-diesel Trooper II for myself and have just starting mapping out the changeover to WVO. Looks straight forward and simply really. I'm going to do the double tank with the electric valve changeover and electric heater for the WVO. 2002 9:29 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] diesel vans? What's Chevy's new diesel van, Jesse, any more details? Regards Keith Hi, Does anyone know of a diesel van in current US production? The only diesel vans I found (Nissan Presage, Renault Espace, Peugeot Combispace) were not available stateside. One web site (http://www.allpar.com/mopar/Diesel.html ) talks about a 2.5 liter TDI engine for Chrysler minivans, but also Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- 4 DVDs Free +sp Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/mG3HAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] diesel engine after market products?
Turbo chargers, intercoolers, and superchargers. Neil Turbo diesel x1 Intercooled Turbo diesel x1 Does anyone know whether there are after-market products that bring this or any of the other improvements to older engines? Thanks, Mark Payton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- 4 DVDs Free +sp Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/mG3HAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] diesel engine after market products?
Have you tried a magnet on your fuel line? Improved torque and/or economy depending on how you use the extra torque ;-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- 4 DVDs Free +sp Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/mG3HAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] diesel engine after market products?
I have a 1.95 liter IDI turbocharged diesel Nissan van that seats nine
people. With nine people, a big dog and a fair amount of luggage stuffed
into it, this vehicle still gets the job done, although the acceleration
is definitely sluggish.
Among aftermarket items that can improve a diesel engine's performance
(or at least prevent degradation of performance) are:
* turbocharger, intercooler
* alcohol/water injection
* LPG (propane) injection (or methane)
* propylene glycol cooling system
* fine filtration of the oil (e.g. Franz {toilet paper filter)
I don't doubt that if I were to install all these in my car, it would be
sufficiently peppy even with a heavy load.
Christopher Witmer
Tokyo
Mark Payton wrote:
I am aware that there have been some significant advances in diesel
technology in the last few years. One notable improvement is the common
rail technology. One of my few complaints with my 85 Mercedes Diesel is the
sluggishness on acceleration, which the common rail is supposed to correct.
Does anyone know whether there are after-market products that bring this or
any of the other improvements to older engines?
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Re: [biofuel] diesel engine after market products?
yeha wrote: Have you tried a magnet on your fuel line? Improved torque and/or economy depending on how you use the extra torque ;-) AAARGHHH! Not again! Before we do all this all over again, including all the acrimony, do a search for magnet in the archives. http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Thankyou. Keith Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- 4 DVDs Free +sp Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/mG3HAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: Curious Was: [biofuel] biased scientists?
I think I understand .. although it still sounds like a rather ODD concept. To have filters that make exhaust worse to breath Thanks, Curtis --- Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It has to do with the size of the particles and the human defense system. The filters does let through and break up the pollution particles to a size where it will go directly to the lungs and body. This particles are the ones who creates cancer risks. = Get your free newsletter at http://www.ezinfocenter.com/3122155/NL __ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- 4 DVDs Free +sp Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/mG3HAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
