[biofuels-biz] Peugeot takes it's diesel racing on biofuel
Hello, Did you know that Peugeot will use one of the two RC prototypes(born in 2002 Geneva Motorshow)in REAL race on circuit It will use the same HDI engine than the red one(2.2l, particles filter, 175bhp)but using diester oil(more ecological than diesel), and 25 examples will be built to race in diffrent circuits in France and Belgium... See the official photographes, it's a really nice sport car a target=_blank href=http://ffsa.turbo.m6.fr/images/030321_nogaro//p031492.jpg;http://ffsa.turbo.m6.fr/images/030321_nogaro//p031492.jpg/a a target=_blank href=http://ffsa.turbo.m6.fr/images/030321_nogaro//p031493.jpg;http://ffsa.turbo.m6.fr/images/030321_nogaro//p031493.jpg/a Recommended format for your email subject lines: Model # [Model Letters] Year Subject Examples: 505 88 V6 Mileage 405 Mi16 89 Ignition Coil source? To unsubscribe from this list send a blank email message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to a target=_blank href=http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/;http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms//a Thanks! Marc Bonanni Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make Money Online Auctions! Make $500.00 or We Will Give You Thirty Dollars for Trying! http://us.click.yahoo.com/yMx78A/fNtFAA/i5gGAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Making Vegetable Oil
Thanks Keith, I'll check those out. --- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know of anywhere I can find information on making vegetable oil itself? The process, etc Clarence Hi Clarence Two ways, pressure extraction and solvent extraction, usually using hexan - this is the commercial method, not for us. On pressure extraction, do a couple of archive searches, for approtec and for bielenberg - these are manual presses: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Lots more information here: Oilseed presses http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_supply.html#Oilpress There's more to it than just pressing though. Check these out: The Fats and Oils: a General View, by Carl L. Alsberg and Alonzo E. Taylor, 1928, Food Research Institute, Stanford University, California First in a series of five Fats and Oils Studies published in the 1920s by the Food Research Institute. Good overview of the subject written in layman's terms, covers nature and sources of fats and oils, properties, technology, production, international trade and more. Not very much has changed since then, it's just grown more complex. A clear and informative guide -- useful information for anyone making biodiesel or working with SVO. Full text online at the Biofuels Library. http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/fatsoils/fatsoilsToC.html Oils -- King's American Dispensatory, by Harvey Wickes Felter, M.D., and John Uri Lloyd, Phr. M., Ph. D., 1898 http://www.ibiblio.org/herbmed/eclectic/kings/olea.html Chemical Reactions of Oil, Fat and Fat Based Products http://alfa.ist.utl.pt/~fidel/creac/reac.html Food Fats and Oils (1994) -- online book (Acrobat file, 1.3Mb): http://www.iseo.org/foodfatsoils.pdf Minor Oil Crops, B.L. Axtell from research by R.M. Fairman, Intermediate Technology Development Group, Rugby, UK, FAO Agricultural Services Bulletin No. 94, Rome, 1992, ISBN 92-5-103128-2: Part I - Edible oils, Part II - Non-edible oils, Part III - Essential oils -- Full text online: http://www.fao.org/inpho/vlibrary/x0043e/x0043e00.htm Hope this helps. Best Keith __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE Cell Phones with up to $400 Cash Back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/_bBUKB/vYxFAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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The following is from the New York Times, it is interesting that they see the need for both diesel hybrid and fuel cells. It has been my experience that when the military gets interested in throwing money at technology that large gains are often made and they filter back to commercial or private use products fairly quickly. It also tends to cause some interest in the general public regarding the new technology being implemented which may cause greater interest in diesel hybrid and fuel cell automotive applications. Best regards, Vern On Horizon, Military Sees High-Technology Trucks By SUE MEAD When today's military warhorses roll into the sunset, what will take their place? Military officials, government agencies and the Detroit-based automakers are working to develop trucks and technologies for future missions. Under a $14 billion initiative called Combatt for commercially based tactical truck the Big Three have worked with the Army's National Automotive Center and other service branches to develop military vehicles from the architecture of existing trucks. DaimlerChrysler, Ford Motor and General Motors have all built prototype Combatt trucks based on heavy-duty versions of their full-size pickups, although Ford recently dropped out of the program. Hybrid diesel-electric versions of military trucks have also been developed by Dodge and Chevrolet. The goal is a truck with the latest technology, more off-road versatility, improved fuel economy and easier maintenance. Most significant, adapting an existing truck should hold down costs. The National Automotive Center, which works to adapt commercial technologies for military applications, estimates that the government could buy trucks based on the prototypes for $30,000 less than a Humvee. The National Automotive Center says Humvees currently cost about $62,000 each, an amount that it projects to rise to $75,000. The center estimates that pickups with Combatt modifications would range from $40,000 to $50,000. Requirements are for a light tactical truck remanufactured to Army specifications to carry troops and cargo. Such a truck could replace, in some applications, the Humvee. Our mission directly affects the fighting men and women in today's Army, said Maj. Gen. N. Ross Thompson III, commander of the Army's Tank, Automotive and Armaments Command. But we look at a support horizon that spans 70 years from equipment built in the mid-1960's to equipment that will still be in soldiers' hands in 2035. The Combatt trucks receive heavy-duty modifications to meet military standards, including air springs that adjust the ride height, advanced differentials, antiroll bars of varying stiffness, bigger wheels and tires, a system that inflates or deflates the tires while moving and
Re: [biofuel] diesel cars in the United States?
On Sat, 29 Mar 2003 18:59:34 -0500, you wrote: http://search.ebaymotors.com/search/search.dll?MfcISAPICommand=GetResultsit eid=100from=R8s_partnerid=2categorymap=6000category0=6000query=dieselS ortProperty=MetaEndSortebaytag1=ebayreg Thanks, that's also an idea. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE Cell Phones with up to $400 Cash Back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/_bBUKB/vYxFAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum
Roger That!! Thanks for sitting me straight...Shame on them...I will go on a 1 mile run as soon as I finish imported steak (LOL), and freedom wineHoorar (82 Airborne word)' Jerry -Original Message- From: Hakan Falk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 10:22 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum Jerry, I think you misunderstood it, it is in foreign countries that a movement is growing now to boycott American companies/products. It is a reaction on the unjust war and maybe the pictures of Americans emptying fine French wine in the gutter, a waste that is criminal. If anyone want to get rid of good French wine, please send it to me. But I think that the parents to those who did it, are angry now and are stocking up again. I talked to young people in Spain, Germany and Sweden and they want to boycott what they see as American interests. Not always smart, but a healthy reaction on something that they see as unjust war. They do not trust the altruistic songs from Bush Co. It is expected that the PP party in Spain will loose a lot of votes on this. Although Bush get a lot of support for the war in the polls, a majority says that they would not vote for him again. So he stand a far chance of joining his father in being one of the very few presidents who lost a reelection. The support for Blair show a similar tendency. Boycotts are sometimes efficient, but I agree that it very seldom hurts the ones that they are aimed for. Look at the US led UN boycott against Iraq and the hundreds of thousands of children who died because of it. Personally I think that McDonalds is a part of the US chemical warfare and since I do not eat their stuff, I cannot boycott them. Maybe we will get some healthier youngsters as a result of the war and that is positive. I stopped to drink Coca Cola, but that was for health reasons also. I have a similar thing with French Fries (Freedom Fries, LOL), stopped eating that too, because if you do a chemical analysis, they are very easy mistaken for paper products. Jerry, we are both retired and have to think about our health. Hakan At 04:06 AM 3/29/2003 -0500, you wrote: What is wrong with you people?? You really think that a boycott would make any difference?? The economy is gone to hell now, and you want to boycott American products and or business!! Seems to me that you are trying to shoot yourself in the foot, with all this boycott stuff. I really don't care;I'm retired and do not relay on a job or the economy, but you knotheads had better wake up!!! The people in charge are going to do what ever it takes to line their pockets(oil) and you can't do a damn thing about it, and not buying McDonalds(meat shipped in from another country) and or K-mart(made in China) is not going to hurt anyone in those countries, only the poor working slob here in america... Good Luck I do admire your basic idea. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 6:15 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum Hi Darryl, What about McDonalds/Budweiser/Texaco/Miller? dD biofuel@yahoogroups.com wrote: The boycotts cut both ways. However, if one wants to send a financial message to the U.S. and British administrations, are there any target products that would be particularly effective if boycotted? Darryl McMahon Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make Money Online Auctions! Make $500.00 or We Will Give You Thirty Dollars for Trying! http://us.click.yahoo.com/yMx78A/fNtFAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Water injection
Looked ever where.. can't find the Varijectection, any where. They stopped making'em 10 years ago. See any used one's around???The idea sounds good..wish I could find one.. Thanks Jerry -Original Message- From: robert luis rabello [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 11:33 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Water injection water_jerry wrote: I have been looking for any and all info about water injection for gas engines. I used water injection for high compression gasoline and propane engines for many years. The unit I owned was an Edelbrock VariJection model that relied on a vacuum signal and engine rpm to determine how much water got injected into the engine. It was very effective at controlling detonation, and there seemed to be some improvement in power between 2 500 and 3 000 rpm. (I never push an engine faster than this. . .) However, this is not quantifiable because I never put my vehicles on a dyno to test engine power. As far as fuel economy was concerned, you'll do just as well, if not better, by making sure your tires are properly inflated. Water cools down the combustion temperatures--if you want more efficiency, you have to burn hot. robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.1stbooks.com/bookview/9782 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make Money Online Auctions! Make $500.00 or We Will Give You Thirty Dollars for Trying! http://us.click.yahoo.com/yMx78A/fNtFAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: various auto safety comments
yeah but worth paying for is the question... The total costs of vehicle ownership is a pet subject of mine, and I think that a system that makes a serious contribution to avoiding major mishaps could be an important contributor to lowering the costs, as it is integrated into the mainstream. To illustrate, a little: My car was destroyed 9 days ago by a Ford pickup, as it sat parked legally at the side of the road. The young woman driving the truck was momentarily distracted by her little dog, she was a young less-experienced driver, and when she looked up she was already ploughing into my car @ around 45 mph or more. There have been numerous costs associated with this for me, some of which will be partly compensated, some of which won't, and some of which cannot be. One of the many topics I've had cause to think about is that, if the insurance system was better integrated with costs and more responsive and communicative, it would compensate me more for my car (the fair market value was low, but the miles were unbelievably low, as I had prioritized that to keep my TCO low when I bought it), better communicate to states that improved young-driver education would be helpful, and, in this case, get it through to the city that if a half-dozen or so such incidents have occurred near that stretch (I learn afterward), then maybe it would be less costly to redesign the stretch than to just keep paying out half-compensations to people. [An aside: like I've said before, someone somewhere needs to start a page called something like www.accidentswaitingtohappen.com to chronicle and allow folks worldwide to post precise locations of all stretches where they know there are such bad-design problems, because we all know the powers that be can take their sweet time waiting for one or more deaths and costly accidents before they do something about such problems.] I will never be fully compensated for the lost time and stress that I've had in dealing with this issue (where there wasn't even a medical issue to deal with thank goodness). What I want to say though is that I think it would be worthwhile to pursue various types of automation for vehicle steering and powering, beyond what we have already done. I do not suggest that this be implemented with a heavy-hand, but that gradually, going forward, we continue to seek this out and not pooh-pooh it as though it is never worthwhile to try to improve our vehicle technology with something new and futuristic. As computers and controlls improve and as the auto industry continues to have some competitiveness, I'm hoping that at some point one can enter a vehicle and read a paper as it does the driving even more safely than oneself. That probably will not happen in my lifetime, except perhaps in a special-designed community isolated for that entire purpose, but I don't think you can reach these sort of things unless you spell out why you think it might be worthwhile. Driving is the most dangerous thing most of us do in our normal daily lives and while I agree with asking if it would be worth the cost to develop car-self-driving-mechanisms, and other associated useful aids to conventional driver-steered systems, in the end I do think it would be financially worthwhile, particularly in light of the reduction in medical and property and other costs to our lives and the lives of our associates (such as when we miss work or have to deal with auto or paperwork hassles) of auto collisions. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make Money Online Auctions! Make $500.00 or We Will Give You Thirty Dollars for Trying! http://us.click.yahoo.com/yMx78A/fNtFAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Eliminating Truth
I am looking at the coverage from the Iraq war and they have found some gas masks and gas protection equipment for the Iraqi troops. The say that it proves that Iraq have chemical weapon capacity. I do not want to take a stand on the question if Iraq still have chemical weapons capacity, but the argument seems to me as pathetic and a result of the desperation of the fact that they did not found any yet. Almost all countries have training for protection from chemical warfare. since WWI. Sweden have never had chemical or biological weapons, but when I did military service 40 years ago, we had standard training in protection against chemical attacks. During the Iraq - Iran war, they used chemical weapons on both sides, the Iraqi was supplied by US. I cannot see any proof in the training of Iraqi troops. Maybe they will find weapons at the end and maybe they will be able to produce some kind of proof. The kind of propaganda that we now are subject to, might be a result of wishful thinking. Because if they do not find hard evidence in large volumes, Bush/Blair Co are in a very difficult situation. At least Blair and maybe some others can end up in front of the war crime tribunal, Bush will never be able to leave US soil. Hakan At 02:03 PM 3/30/2003 +0900, you wrote: Maybe your insight could help us to explain what makes George W. Bush tick? http://www.realchange.org/bushjr.htm Er, yes. Heh! These below might help too - both sent to me off-list by American list members, just to preclude a whole lot of silly yelling over USA-bashing. The second especially, as Jennifer seems to think that a journalist somehow loses credibility by interviewing Saddam Hussein (and Osama bin Laden, in Robert Fisk's case), extremely strange view. Best Keith - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 5:57 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Eliminating Truth lol..this is the most leftist BS i have ever seen, and quoting Robert Fisk, is like quoting The Globe or The National Enquierer or the star...mainstream media is actually IN the units fightingright on the front lines! Isn't Robert Fisk the 1 who interviewed Saddam like he was interviewing Mother Theresa?..and i used to think LArry King gave easy interviews?...Where were questions like So how manu of your own people have you gassesd to death this month? .. Jennifer http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=21ItemID=3346 Eliminating Truth The Development Of War Propaganda by David Miller March 28, 2003 http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,902793,00.html Guardian Unlimited | Special reports | The Saddam and George show The Saddam and George show Ignoring the fact that George Bush declined Saddam Hussein's challenge to a televised debate, Tim Dowling exclusively reveals what could have happened had they met Tuesday February 25, 2003 Tony Blair, moderator: Welcome to the first televised debate between George W Bush and Saddam Hussein, live from United Nations headquarters in New York. We will begin with a brief opening statement from each of you. Bush: First of all I would just like to welcome my evil friend to the UN, one of the great American institutions for the propulsion of freedom throughout the world. Saddam: Thank you, Great Satan. I hope that in today's debate we may find some common ground between the Iraqi people's commitment to peace and human progress and America's desire to destroy the Middle East. Bush: Do I answer that? Blair: No. The first question is quite simply this: do you have any links with al-Qaida? Bush: I do not. Blair: The question is for President Saddam. Saddam: As I told Mr Tony Benn clearly and simply, if I had links with al-Qaida and I enjoyed those links then I would not be ashamed to tell the world, but since I am ashamed to tell the world of this, it follows that I have no such links. Bush: Neither do I. Blair: The second question is for Mr Bush. Mr Bush, if America and Iraq were to go to war tomorrow, who would win? Bush: That's easy. America, right? Saddam: Even I knew that one. Bush: That's because the great United American States of America are on the side of rightliness and Americanity, against an evil Axis of Evil made up of Iraq, North Korea and... how many are in an axis? Three? Blair: I think you're allowed as many as you like. Bush: OK, Iraq, North Korea and France. Saddam: I will tell you frankly and directly that Iraq is not part of any Axis of Evil. Bush: Who am I thinking of then? Irania? Blair: Let's move on. Saddam, are you willing to destroy your stockpile of Samoud 2 missiles in accordance with UN weapons inspectors' orders? Saddam: I explain to you now that if Iraq possessed these so-called weapons, we would never destroy them, but since we do not have any such weapons, we are happy to comply, even though these non-existent
Re: [biofuel] Global Warming - CO2 from coal, gasoline, diesel fuel
I thought it would be interesting if we compared CO2 output given the same Btu output per pound (lb) for Coal, Gasoline and Diesel Fuel Using 19,167 Btu/lb of Gasoline as a reference point we'll compare CO2 output for coal, gasoline and diesel fuel. Coal 3.4 lbs CO2 per 19,167 Btu of - bituminous/anthracite [19,167/12,250*2.2 = 3.4 lbs CO2 per pound of gasoline] 4.2 lbs CO2 per 19,167 Btu of - lignite/sub-bituminous [19,167/7,350*1.6 = 4.2 lbs CO2 per pound of gasoline] Gasoline 3.3 lbs CO2 per 19,167 Btu Diesel No.1, No.2, No.4 Fuel Oil 3.3 lbs CO2 per 19,167 Btu [19,167/18,643*3.2 = 3.3 lbs CO2 per pound of gasoline] using the information below. NOTE: numbers have been averaged and rounded off. - Form EIA-1605, Voluntary Reporting of Greenhouse Gases, Instructions, 2002, Appendices B and C. [page 51,52] 74 page, 1.8MB PDF ftp://ftp.eia.doe.gov/pub/oiaf/1605/cdrom/pdf/1605INST02.pdf after doing the math -- Coal CL Anthracite AC 3,852.16 lbs per short ton (2000 lbs) [3852.16/2000 = 1.926 lbs. CO2 per pound of fuel] 1.926 lbs. CO2 per pound of fuel Bituminous BC 4,931.30 lbs per short ton 2.465 lbs CO2 per pound of fuel [average 2.2 lbs CO2 per pound of fuel] Subbituminous SB 3,715.90 lbs per short ton 1.858 lbs CO2 per pound of fuel Lignite LC 2,791.60 lbs per short ton 1.396 lbs CO2 per pound of fuel [average 1.6 lbs CO2 per pound of fuel] Motor Gasoline MG 19.564 lbs per US gallon [20/6 = 3.333 lbs CO2 per pound of fuel] 3.333 lbs CO2 per pound of fuel Distillate Fuel (No. 1, No. 2, No.4 Fuel Oil and Diesel) DF 22.384 lbs per US gallon [22.4/7 = 3.2 lbs CO2 per pound of fuel] 3.2 lbs CO2 per pound of fuel - Energy Conversion Facts http://bioenergy.ornl.gov/papers/misc/energy_conv.html Gasoline: US gallon = 115,000 Btu 115,000/6 = 19,167 Btu/lb Petro-diesel = 130,500 Btu/gallon 130,500/7 = 18,643 Btu/lb Coal - bituminous/anthracite = 11,500-13,000 Btu/lb[average 12,250 Btu/lb] Coal - lignite/sub-bituminous = 6,500-8,200 Btu/lb [average 7,350 Btu/lb] Note that the energy content (heating value) per unit mass varies greatly between different ranks of coal. Typical coal (rank not specified) usually means bituminous coal, the most common fuel for power plants (27 GJ/t). ___ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE Cell Phones with up to $400 Cash Back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/_bBUKB/vYxFAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Fear Factor...
-- But if thought is to become the possession of many, not the privilege of the few, we must have done with fear. It is fear that holds men back - fear lest their cherished beliefs should prove delusions, fear lest the institutions by which they live should prove harmful, fear lest they themselves should prove less worthy of respect than they have supposed themselves to be. (Bertrand Russell, from Principles of Social Reconstruction, 1916. Quoted Erich Fromm, On Disobedience and Other Essays, Routledge Kegan Paul, 1984, pp.34-5) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make Money Online Auctions! Make $500.00 or We Will Give You Thirty Dollars for Trying! http://us.click.yahoo.com/yMx78A/fNtFAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Eliminating Truth
Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am looking at the coverage from the Iraq war and they have found some gas masks and gas protection equipment for the Iraqi troops. The say that it proves that Iraq have chemical weapon capacity. I do not want to take a stand on the question if Iraq still have chemical weapons capacity, but the argument seems to me as pathetic and a result of the desperation of the fact that they did not found any yet. I think I saw a bit of that coverage, or something similar, and it left me very confused. There was nothing to say the gas protection gear was recovered from captured troops. For some reason, I had the impression the gear was abandoned as Iraqi troops retreated. I am not a military tactician, but it seems to me that if I was an Iraqi soldier, and I thought my side was planning on using chemical or biological weapons, I would not leave my gas protection gear behind when retreating. On the other hand, as an Iraqi soldier, I might well know the provenance of gas weaponry used on Kurds in the past. However, if I had expected the invading force to use chemical weapons, and they had not yet done so, such gear might seem to have less value. So, as for the discovery of gas protection gear in Iraq as evidence that the Iraqis have chemical or biological weapons at their disposal, well, it seems just as likely the Iraqis are worried about the U.S. using chemical weapons in Iraq. In fact, I think Rumsfeld referred to potential use of non-lethal gas agents by the U.S. as a possibility, evoking memories of Putin's recent use of non-lethal gas at the Moscow theatre hostage taking. Non-lethal meaning it doesn't kill everybody, judging by the results there (one of 117 survived). Re: Rumsfeld's musings on use of gas in Iraq. UPI http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20030205-051852-7247r Counterpunch http://www.counterpunch.org/hammond02072003.html Christian Science Monitor http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0214/p02s01-usmi.html NewsMax.Com http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/2/5/192247.shtml Summary (mine) Iraq denies that they have chemical weapons. Years of U.N. inspections have found no Iraqi chemical, biological or nuclear weapons, even with assistance of U.S. intelligence information in last couple of months. U.S. admits to having nuclear, biological and chemical weapons, have supplied chemical weapons to Iraq in the past, and U.S. Secretary of Defense has publicly mused on use of non-lethal chemical weapons in Iraq in the past two months. U.S. discovery of gas protection gear in abandoned Iraqi positions, but no actual evidence of chemical weapons, leads U.S. administration to conclude that this is proof that Iraq has chemical weapons. I still don't see how the logic leads to this conclusion. Darryl McMahon Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Rent DVDs Online-No late fees! Try Netflix for FREE! http://us.click.yahoo.com/YKLNcC/oEZFAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Mixing fuels
What would happen if I tried mixing WVO with standard fossil-diesel? Would the two mix and stay mixed? And what would the viscosity be like? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make Money Online Auctions! Make $500.00 or We Will Give You Thirty Dollars for Trying! http://us.click.yahoo.com/yMx78A/fNtFAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Water injection
Looked ever where.. can't find the Varijectection, any where. They stopped making'em 10 years ago. See any used one's around???The idea sounds good..wish I could find one.. Thanks Jerry Did you see this Jerry? Ron Novak's Do-It-Yourself Water Injection System http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_motherearth/me3.html Have a look in the list archives for more information - search for Novak (without the quotes): http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Best Keith -Original Message- From: robert luis rabello [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 11:33 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Water injection water_jerry wrote: I have been looking for any and all info about water injection for gas engines. I used water injection for high compression gasoline and propane engines for many years. The unit I owned was an Edelbrock VariJection model that relied on a vacuum signal and engine rpm to determine how much water got injected into the engine. It was very effective at controlling detonation, and there seemed to be some improvement in power between 2 500 and 3 000 rpm. (I never push an engine faster than this. . .) However, this is not quantifiable because I never put my vehicles on a dyno to test engine power. As far as fuel economy was concerned, you'll do just as well, if not better, by making sure your tires are properly inflated. Water cools down the combustion temperatures--if you want more efficiency, you have to burn hot. robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.1stbooks.com/bookview/9782 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make Money Online Auctions! Make $500.00 or We Will Give You Thirty Dollars for Trying! http://us.click.yahoo.com/yMx78A/fNtFAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] thought for the weekend...
Believe it or not this occured to me in the shower... I was thinking about centrifugal filtering/seperation of BCBs, especially fine ones, from BD (well, grease in general, but BD too) it occured to me that if the mixture of animal and vegitable fats will seperate out at low T due to gelling on the animal fats, then there is an immiscibiliity between the two phases, or atleast a phase seperation. Either way, one should be able to either seperate the gell particles from the non-gelled liquid, or if all liquid it may be that the higher functional (bulkier, more FFA bearing) molecules , which would be more viscous, would also be removed by a certifugal processing to remove BCBs. mind you, this may be true, but I bet it is not simple... I will have to investigate this further with some friencds who know more about centrifical seperation than I -- Dr Paul van den Bergen Centre for Advanced Internet Architectures caia.swin.edu.au [EMAIL PROTECTED] IM:bulwynkl2002 It's a book. Non-volatile storage media. Everyone should have one. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE Cell Phones with up to $400 Cash Back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/_bBUKB/vYxFAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Mixing fuels
you'd have a clogged filter and possible a damaged pump. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: al_ameen13 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 6:12 PM Subject: [biofuel] Mixing fuels What would happen if I tried mixing WVO with standard fossil-diesel? Would the two mix and stay mixed? And what would the viscosity be like? Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Rent DVDs Online-No late fees! Try Netflix for FREE! http://us.click.yahoo.com/YKLNcC/oEZFAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Eliminating Truth
please supply evidence that the US supplied gas to Iraq. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 6:09 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Eliminating Truth Hi Darryl, What I wanted to say was that all soldiers get training since WWI and also in using the injection kit, but with salt water. All military have equipment for their soldiers also. Finding storage of gear, does not say anything. In Iraq's case their soldiers could even have the equipment, if they do not trust US (LOL), because they know that US have the gas. US was the supplier of the gas they used against Iran and against his own people. Hakan At 05:48 PM 3/30/2003 -0500, you wrote: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am looking at the coverage from the Iraq war and they have found some gas masks and gas protection equipment for the Iraqi troops. The say that it proves that Iraq have chemical weapon capacity. I do not want to take a stand on the question if Iraq still have chemical weapons capacity, but the argument seems to me as pathetic and a result of the desperation of the fact that they did not found any yet. I think I saw a bit of that coverage, or something similar, and it left me very confused. There was nothing to say the gas protection gear was recovered from captured troops. For some reason, I had the impression the gear was abandoned as Iraqi troops retreated. I am not a military tactician, but it seems to me that if I was an Iraqi soldier, and I thought my side was planning on using chemical or biological weapons, I would not leave my gas protection gear behind when retreating. On the other hand, as an Iraqi soldier, I might well know the provenance of gas weaponry used on Kurds in the past. However, if I had expected the invading force to use chemical weapons, and they had not yet done so, such gear might seem to have less value. So, as for the discovery of gas protection gear in Iraq as evidence that the Iraqis have chemical or biological weapons at their disposal, well, it seems just as likely the Iraqis are worried about the U.S. using chemical weapons in Iraq. In fact, I think Rumsfeld referred to potential use of non-lethal gas agents by the U.S. as a possibility, evoking memories of Putin's recent use of non-lethal gas at the Moscow theatre hostage taking. Non-lethal meaning it doesn't kill everybody, judging by the results there (one of 117 survived). Re: Rumsfeld's musings on use of gas in Iraq. UPI http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20030205-051852-7247r Counterpunch http://www.counterpunch.org/hammond02072003.html Christian Science Monitor http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0214/p02s01-usmi.html NewsMax.Com http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/2/5/192247.shtml Summary (mine) Iraq denies that they have chemical weapons. Years of U.N. inspections have found no Iraqi chemical, biological or nuclear weapons, even with assistance of U.S. intelligence information in last couple of months. U.S. admits to having nuclear, biological and chemical weapons, have supplied chemical weapons to Iraq in the past, and U.S. Secretary of Defense has publicly mused on use of non-lethal chemical weapons in Iraq in the past two months. U.S. discovery of gas protection gear in abandoned Iraqi positions, but no actual evidence of chemical weapons, leads U.S. administration to conclude that this is proof that Iraq has chemical weapons. I still don't see how the logic leads to this conclusion. Darryl McMahon Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- DVD Rentals with No Late Fees - Try Netflix for FREE! http://us.click.yahoo.com/ZKLNcC/pEZFAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] measuring fluid quantities
I didn't hear from anyone about sourcing out a flow meter for measuring large quanities of heated WVO and methanol into the reaction tank, so perhaps such things aren't used. How do folks typically measure the amount of WVO and methanol they are putting into the reactor for largish batches, say 100 gallons? Thanks. jk Jack Kenworthy Sustainable Systems Director The Cape Eleuthera Island School 242-359-7625 ph. 954-252-2224 fax www.islandschool.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- DVD Rentals with No Late Fees - Try Netflix for FREE! http://us.click.yahoo.com/ZKLNcC/pEZFAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum
On Sat, 29 Mar 2003 08:06 pm, Jerry wrote: What is wrong with you people?? You really think that a boycott would make any difference?? actually, if the war etc. really is based on oil (personally I find the US$ as fiat oil currency arguement pretty strong and compelling), then the use of biodiesel is perhaps the most effective personal boycott one can think of... -- Dr Paul van den Bergen Centre for Advanced Internet Architectures caia.swin.edu.au [EMAIL PROTECTED] IM:bulwynkl2002 It's a book. Non-volatile storage media. Everyone should have one. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE Cell Phones with up to $400 Cash Back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/_bBUKB/vYxFAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum
This war stuff is all nuts. Lately it has been my misfortune to be Canadian. Don't get me wrong, Canada is great. But lately, things like eBay's boycott on allowing Canadian bids seems a little childish. If there really is a terrorism/WMD threat to the US, great. Go eliminate the threat. Canada has always been ready to help the US defend it's rights and I (and a great many other Canadians) back this philosophy. Naturally, there are those here that feel different and I can't speak for them. However, I personally feel that as an offensive move, the US makes it's own choice. They definitely have the strength and power to accomplish their task. Hell, we can't even keep helicopters in the sky or keep our subs from leaking!!! Let's not pick on the '90lb weakling' neighbour. Make no mistake. Should, for whatever reason, the tables turned and things turn to a defensive mode Canada will be in there like white over rice. I have many friends in the US and they don't boycott me. We do have a couple of asses in office that make stupid remarks and you can better your higher-valued dollar that they don't get elected again. The little guys (voters) can only bitch-slap those kinds of politicians by using the almight vote. Just my rantings. -Original Message- From: Jerry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: March 30, 2003 9:28 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum Roger That!! Thanks for sitting me straight...Shame on them...I will go on a 1 mile run as soon as I finish imported steak (LOL), and freedom wineHoorar (82 Airborne word)' Jerry -Original Message- From: Hakan Falk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 10:22 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum Jerry, I think you misunderstood it, it is in foreign countries that a movement is growing now to boycott American companies/products. It is a reaction on the unjust war and maybe the pictures of Americans emptying fine French wine in the gutter, a waste that is criminal. If anyone want to get rid of good French wine, please send it to me. But I think that the parents to those who did it, are angry now and are stocking up again. I talked to young people in Spain, Germany and Sweden and they want to boycott what they see as American interests. Not always smart, but a healthy reaction on something that they see as unjust war. They do not trust the altruistic songs from Bush Co. It is expected that the PP party in Spain will loose a lot of votes on this. Although Bush get a lot of support for the war in the polls, a majority says that they would not vote for him again. So he stand a far chance of joining his father in being one of the very few presidents who lost a reelection. The support for Blair show a similar tendency. Boycotts are sometimes efficient, but I agree that it very seldom hurts the ones that they are aimed for. Look at the US led UN boycott against Iraq and the hundreds of thousands of children who died because of it. Personally I think that McDonalds is a part of the US chemical warfare and since I do not eat their stuff, I cannot boycott them. Maybe we will get some healthier youngsters as a result of the war and that is positive. I stopped to drink Coca Cola, but that was for health reasons also. I have a similar thing with French Fries (Freedom Fries, LOL), stopped eating that too, because if you do a chemical analysis, they are very easy mistaken for paper products. Jerry, we are both retired and have to think about our health. Hakan At 04:06 AM 3/29/2003 -0500, you wrote: What is wrong with you people?? You really think that a boycott would make any difference?? The economy is gone to hell now, and you want to boycott American products and or business!! Seems to me that you are trying to shoot yourself in the foot, with all this boycott stuff. I really don't care;I'm retired and do not relay on a job or the economy, but you knotheads had better wake up!!! The people in charge are going to do what ever it takes to line their pockets(oil) and you can't do a damn thing about it, and not buying McDonalds(meat shipped in from another country) and or K-mart(made in China) is not going to hurt anyone in those countries, only the poor working slob here in america... Good Luck I do admire your basic idea. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 6:15 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum Hi Darryl, What about McDonalds/Budweiser/Texaco/Miller? dD biofuel@yahoogroups.com wrote: The boycotts cut both ways.
Re: [biofuel] Eliminating Truth
please supply evidence that the US supplied gas to Iraq. Long since supplied. Do an archive search for Halabja (without the quotes). http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Best Keith Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 6:09 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Eliminating Truth Hi Darryl, What I wanted to say was that all soldiers get training since WWI and also in using the injection kit, but with salt water. All military have equipment for their soldiers also. Finding storage of gear, does not say anything. In Iraq's case their soldiers could even have the equipment, if they do not trust US (LOL), because they know that US have the gas. US was the supplier of the gas they used against Iran and against his own people. Hakan At 05:48 PM 3/30/2003 -0500, you wrote: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am looking at the coverage from the Iraq war and they have found some gas masks and gas protection equipment for the Iraqi troops. The say that it proves that Iraq have chemical weapon capacity. I do not want to take a stand on the question if Iraq still have chemical weapons capacity, but the argument seems to me as pathetic and a result of the desperation of the fact that they did not found any yet. I think I saw a bit of that coverage, or something similar, and it left me very confused. There was nothing to say the gas protection gear was recovered from captured troops. For some reason, I had the impression the gear was abandoned as Iraqi troops retreated. I am not a military tactician, but it seems to me that if I was an Iraqi soldier, and I thought my side was planning on using chemical or biological weapons, I would not leave my gas protection gear behind when retreating. On the other hand, as an Iraqi soldier, I might well know the provenance of gas weaponry used on Kurds in the past. However, if I had expected the invading force to use chemical weapons, and they had not yet done so, such gear might seem to have less value. So, as for the discovery of gas protection gear in Iraq as evidence that the Iraqis have chemical or biological weapons at their disposal, well, it seems just as likely the Iraqis are worried about the U.S. using chemical weapons in Iraq. In fact, I think Rumsfeld referred to potential use of non-lethal gas agents by the U.S. as a possibility, evoking memories of Putin's recent use of non-lethal gas at the Moscow theatre hostage taking. Non-lethal meaning it doesn't kill everybody, judging by the results there (one of 117 survived). Re: Rumsfeld's musings on use of gas in Iraq. UPI http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20030205-051852-7247r Counterpunch http://www.counterpunch.org/hammond02072003.html Christian Science Monitor http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0214/p02s01-usmi.html NewsMax.Com http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/2/5/192247.shtml Summary (mine) Iraq denies that they have chemical weapons. Years of U.N. inspections have found no Iraqi chemical, biological or nuclear weapons, even with assistance of U.S. intelligence information in last couple of months. U.S. admits to having nuclear, biological and chemical weapons, have supplied chemical weapons to Iraq in the past, and U.S. Secretary of Defense has publicly mused on use of non-lethal chemical weapons in Iraq in the past two months. U.S. discovery of gas protection gear in abandoned Iraqi positions, but no actual evidence of chemical weapons, leads U.S. administration to conclude that this is proof that Iraq has chemical weapons. I still don't see how the logic leads to this conclusion. Darryl McMahon Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE Cell Phones with up to $400 Cash Back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/_bBUKB/vYxFAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] I'll shoot Yanks to save Iraq
http://globalfire.tv/nj/03en/politics/peoplefight.htm Now you say you are bombing us into democracy. Yet since you've unloaded thousands of missiles on us I don't feel more democratic. Daily Mirror, London, March 30, 2003, Page 7 I'll shoot Yanks to save Iraq Now all that is left in the Baghdad sitting room is a sagging armchair - and an automatic rifle resting on enough ammunition to kill a hundred men. The weapon is more than 20 years old, a relic from the Iran-Iraq war. But when the Americans come rolling into town, Ghazwan Al-Mukhtar will using it to kill as many as he can. The more of those American Bastards I get the happier I will be, says the father of three. Ghazwan Al-Mukhtar doesn't feel more democratic since Bush started to bomb Baghdad into democracy. He wants to kill Americans and Brits. Ghazwan, 59, is no ardent supporter of Saddam Hussein. He loves English pubs and American diners, often visited the UK and points out he was even educated in the US. He is no friend of the Iraqi regime. He just hates George Bush and Tony Blair more. Ask why, and you get a one word answer: sanctions. ... The sanctions were supposed to make Saddam's people rise up against him. But as Ghazwan furiously says: You stupid fools have done the exact opposite. ... Even when confronted with a litany of Saddam Hussein's human rights abuses, torture chambers and secret police, he holds firm. You say Saddam Hussein has killed many people - I say the UN sanctions have killed our children. Does Saddam Hussein kill children? No. Bitterly, he adds: You weren't calling him a ruthless dictator in the Eighties when this place was dripping with money. Now you say you are bombing us into democracy. Yet since you've unloaded thousands of missiles on us I don't feel more democratic. You give me the choice between Saddam Hussein or George Bush. I take Saddam Hussein every time. This is why, when our troops come to liberate him, he will be shooting to kill. His gun may be a museum piece compared to the Allied tanks. But, with his family sent away, this former Iraqi soldier means to fight. And the is not on his own. http://www.nycap.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=3992group=webcast The Lion, On His Den by Joe Quandt Dec 3 '02 Ghazwan Al-Muktar is an is an Iraqi, denizon of Baghdad. He an American educated engineer and former medical equipment supplier who now devotes his energies to writing and speaking the truth about life under Saddam as well as the realities behind American foreign policy in the Middle East. Ghazwan spent time in conversation with local writer, activist Joe Quandt during the latter's stay in Baghdad with Voices in the Wilderness. The Lion, On His Den President Sukarno of Indonesia once said, 'We silence the enemies of freedom.' Ghazwan Al-Mukhtar slumps back in his chair, silently gauging the effect of that absurdly ironic statement on his listeners. And Ghazwan is an Iraqi who lives his ironies: a denouncer of Saddam regime inequities who continues to live in Iraq; a man who worked hard to provide for his family and his retirement, only to have his assets frozen in foreign banks as a result of U.N. Resolution 687; a heart attack-age guy who's trying to quit smoking, but liberally helps himself to my cigarettes all thru 2 separate conversations; a well spoken professional who peppers his gravel-voiced diatribes with pungent American profanities. He's been asked to join the Voices in the Wilderness Writers Project, a unique attempt to give Iraqis an Internet forum. VitW is the Chicago-based group that has been working since '96 to end the economic sanctions against Iraq. I give him a call, and he agrees to meet me in the dining room of the Al-Fanar Hotel, Voices' headquarters in Baghdad. Ghazwan studied geophysics at Cal Berkley, and graduated with an engineering degree from Marquette in '67. For most of his career, he sold medical supplies to hospitals. He says he has too scientific a mind to be a writer, yet he has written dozens of articles over the years, critical not only of the U.N. sanctions against his country, but also the current regime in Baghdad. I never wrote until I had to vent my frustration. Iraq is being singled out for punishment. I don't complain about my own condition, I'm comfortable, but I'm thinking about how the people are hurting, their lack of a future. Iraq, once boasted the highest standard of medical care in the Middle East outside of Israel. He bemoans the 12-year information gap that the sanctions created when they cut Iraq off from world developments in the medical field. Compounding the problem, thousands of health care professionals have been lost to death or emigration. Altogether, 2 million people have left Iraq since the sanctions were imposed. Are they political refugees? Are they economic refugees? If they leave, they must claim political asylum because no country will recognize
[biofuel] consumer education
A friend of mine took a Saturday job as an attendant at a service station and had a customer come in yesterday and ask that their cruise control be set to 65. He said he was gobsmacked. Kirk Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE Cell Phones with up to $400 Cash Back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/_bBUKB/vYxFAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Hello all
Just wanted to let everyone know I'm back. My computer locked up in the middle of a backup, and the drive went out. Now I'm back on line. Greg H. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make Money Online Auctions! Make $500.00 or We Will Give You Thirty Dollars for Trying! http://us.click.yahoo.com/yMx78A/fNtFAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Arab TV Crew Says Found 40 Dead US Soldiers
http://www.rense.com/general36/40.htm Arab TV Crew Says Found 40 Dead US Soldiers The following appeared in the letters section of WhatReallyHappened.com 3-26-3 Sanwa ata Mosahra reporting. A film crew from al-Minar TV, a television network of Lebanon, stumbled across the bodies of about 40 US soldiers scattered in the desert outside Maseriah. Ali Fawsua a camera man for al-Minar said It was obvious the soldiers had been in a major battle as there was empty ammunition casing everywhere. We searched around but could not find any dead Iraqi soldiers and must be thinking they took their dead and injured away from the battle he added. We called on our satellite phone to our base camp and told them what we had found and they told the Americans where we were located. Soon some American helicopters came to us and the Americans took all our camera and recording equipment and smashed it. They told us to leave the area and say nothing of this finding. When we arrived back at our base to the south there were American military police everywhere and they destroyed all of our equipment and told us to leave Iraq immediately. al-Minar has lodged a complaint with the IJCO and US with a claim for compensation for the many thousands dollars of destroyed equipment. http://www.irna.com/en/head/030324191644.ehe.shtml Islamic Republic News Agency ( I R N A )HeadLines News USWAR/Some 40 US soldiers killed, injured or missed in Naseriah Tehran, March 24, IRNA -- Some 40 US soldiers have been killed, injured or missed in Naseriah, said Lebanese TV al-Minar on Monday. Al-Minar said dead bodies of the US soldiers had been found near Naseriah. Meanwhile, Qatari al-Jazeera TV put number of Iraqi losses in Monday bombardment of Baghdad at five, including a woman. BG/JB End http://www.aljazeerah.info/29%20op%20eds/Nassiriya%20turns%20into%20a% 20nightmare,%20by%20Peter%20Baker%20%20aljazeerah.info.htm Nassiriyah Turns Into a Nightmare Peter Baker, The Washington Post CAMP VIPER, Southern Iraq http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews/page.cfm?objectid=12788046method =fullsiteid=50143 Mirror.co.uk Death Alley Mar 30 2003 Prayers for fallen, then back to war http://www.aljazeerah.info/29%20op%20eds/City%20buildings%20may%20prov e%20to%20be%20jungles%20of%20Iraq,%20by%20Christopher%20Bellamy%20%20a ljazeerah.info.htm City buildings are the jungles of Iraq Christopher Bellamy, The Independent LONDON, 29 March 2003 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A48265-2003Mar29.html Report: Rumseld Ignored Pentagon Advice on Iraq Reuters Saturday, March 29, 2003; 5:33 PM WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld repeatedly rejected advice from Pentagon planners that substantially more troops and armor would be needed to fight a war in Iraq, New Yorker Magazine reported. ... Hersh, however, quoted the former intelligence official as saying the war was now a stalemate. Much of the supply of Tomahawk cruise missiles has been expended, aircraft carriers were going to run out of precision guided bombs and there were serious maintenance problems with tanks, armored vehicles and other equipment, the article said. The only hope is that they can hold out until reinforcements arrive, the former official said... http://asia.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNewsstoryID=2473036 Reuters | Latest Financial News / Full News Coverage U.S. Land Advance Could Pause for Weeks-Military Sun March 30, 2003 06:14 AM ET CENTRAL IRAQ (Reuters) - Some U.S. troops said on Sunday they had been told a pause in land advances from the south toward Baghdad could be extended by several weeks because of overstretched supply lines and stiff Iraqi resistance. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make Money Online Auctions! Make $500.00 or We Will Give You Thirty Dollars for Trying! http://us.click.yahoo.com/yMx78A/fNtFAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] 'Warmonger' explains to 'Peacenik' why we are at war
http://ladyday.foobar.fi/~pjh/Iraq.html 'Warmonger' explains to 'Peacenik' why we are at war By Victor Forsythe Dedicated to the Love it or Leave it crowd (A fictitious interview that matches with reality) Peacenik (PN): Why did you say we are invading Iraq? Warmonger (WM): We are invading Iraq because it is in violation of security council resolution 1441. A country cannot be allowed to violate security council resolutions. PN: But I thought many of our allies, including Israel, were in violation of more security council resolutions than Iraq. WM: It's not just about UN resolutions. The main point is that Iraq could have weapons of mass destruction, and the first sign of a smoking gun could well be a mushroom cloud over NY. PN: Mushroom cloud? But I thought the weapons inspectors said Iraq had no nuclear weapons. WM: Yes, but biological and chemical weapons are the issue. PN: But I thought Iraq did not have any long range missiles for attacking us or our allies with such weapons. WM: The risk is not Iraq directly attacking us, but rather terrorists networks that Iraq could sell the weapons to. PN: But couldn't virtually any country sell chemical or biological materials? We sold quite a bit to Iraq in the eighties ourselves, didn't we? WM: That's ancient history. Look, Saddam Hussein is an evil man that has an undeniable track record of repressing his own people since the early eighties. He gasses his enemies. Everyone agrees that he is a power-hungry lunatic murderer. PN: We sold chemical and biological materials to a power-hungry lunatic murderer? WM: The issue is not what we sold, but rather what Saddam did. He is the one that launched a pre-emptive first strike on Kuwait. PN: A pre-emptive first strike does sound bad. But didn't our ambassador to Iraq, Glaspie, know about and green-light the invasion of Kuwait? WM: Let's deal with the present, shall we? As of today, Iraq could sell its biological and chemical weapons to Al Qaida. Osama Bin Laden himself released an audio tape calling on Iraqis to suicide attack us, proving a partnership between the two. PN: Osama Bin Laden? Wasn't the point of invading Afghanistan to kill him? WM: Actually, it's not 100% certain that it's really Osama Bin Laden on the tapes. But the lesson from the tape is the same: there could easily be a partnership between Al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein unless we act. PN: Is this the same audio tape where Osama Bin Laden labels Saddam a secular infidel? WM: You're missing the point by just focusing on the tape. Powell presented a strong case against Iraq. PN: He did? WM: Yes, he showed satellite pictures of an Al Qaeda poison factory in Iraq. PN: But didn't that turn out to be a harmless shack in the part of Iraq controlled by the Kurdish opposition? WM: And a British intelligence report... PN: Didn't that turn out to be copied from an out-of-date graduate student paper? WM: And reports of mobile weapons labs... PN: Weren't those just artistic renderings? WM: And reports of Iraqis scuttling and hiding evidence from inspectors... PN: Wasn't that evidence contradicted by the chief weapons inspector, Hans Blix? WM: Yes, but there is plenty of other hard evidence that cannot be revealed because it would compromise our security. PN: So there is no publicly available evidence of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq? WM: The inspectors are not detectives, it's not their JOB to find evidence. You're missing the point. PN: So what is the point? WM: The main point is that we are invading Iraq because resolution 1441 threatened severe consequences. If we do not act, the security council will become an irrelevant debating society. PN: So the main point is to uphold the rulings of the security council? WM: Absolutely. ...unless it rules against us. PN: And what if it does rule against us? WM: In that case, we must lead a coalition of the willing to invade Iraq. PN: Coalition of the willing? Who's that? WM: Britain, Turkey, Bulgaria, Spain, and Italy, for starters. PN: I thought Turkey refused to help us unless we gave them tens of billions of dollars WM: Nevertheless, they may now be willing. PN: I thought public opinion in all those countries was against war. WM: Current public opinion is irrelevant. The majority expresses its will by electing leaders to make decisions. PN: So it's the decisions of leaders elected by the majority that is important? WM: Yes. PN: But George B . . . WM: I mean, we must support the decisions of our leaders, however they were elected, because they are acting in our best interest. This is about being a patriot. That's the bottom line. PN: So if we do not support the decisions of the president, we are not patriotic? WM: I never said that. PN: So what are you saying? Why are we invading Iraq? WM: As I said, because there is a chance that they have weapons of mass destruction that threaten us and our allies. PN: But the inspectors have
[biofuel] Elements Of Frasca Rotary Engine Design, the complete work.
Mechanical engineering is not my forte. Perhaps someone better qualified would like to review this and comment? http://www.frascapublications.com/pdf-index.htm [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE Cell Phones with up to $400 Cash Back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/_bBUKB/vYxFAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] seals.pdf
Navy manual about seals http://www.metalwebnews.org/seals.pdf [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE Cell Phones with up to $400 Cash Back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/_bBUKB/vYxFAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] seals.pdf
On Mon, 31 Mar 2003 02:19 pm, kirk wrote: Navy manual about seals navy seal? Arp! arp! -- Dr Paul van den Bergen Centre for Advanced Internet Architectures caia.swin.edu.au [EMAIL PROTECTED] IM:bulwynkl2002 It's a book. Non-volatile storage media. Everyone should have one. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make Money Online Auctions! Make $500.00 or We Will Give You Thirty Dollars for Trying! http://us.click.yahoo.com/yMx78A/fNtFAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum
I think this Don Lancaster has a moronic streak. He has a bunch of information and cans it in PDF files. If anything deserves boycotting its PDF files. PDF is antiquated, slow, and totally unsuitable for large volume publication use. I had to scan s-l-o-w-l-y through hundreds of pages to find information because there is no way to relate the index of the manuscript to the pdf page numbers, which makes the six page index absolutely worthless. They should stick their pdf files wher the sun don't shine, or shelve it along with the hammer and chisel, clay tablets, and sidewalk chalk. Ed - Original Message - From: kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 11:56 PM Subject: RE: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum Don Lancaster (computer guru and other nom de plume) www.tinaja.com on page 2 of his http://www.tinaja.com/glib/myebays.pdf EBay secrets says no foreign bidders, not just Canadian. Why? Because it is a hassle. BTW -- The Canadian postal service can be downright moronic. Kirk -Original Message- From: John Mullan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 6:25 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum This war stuff is all nuts. Lately it has been my misfortune to be Canadian. Don't get me wrong, Canada is great. But lately, things like eBay's boycott on allowing Canadian bids seems a little childish. If there really is a terrorism/WMD threat to the US, great. Go eliminate the threat. Canada has always been ready to help the US defend it's rights and I (and a great many other Canadians) back this philosophy. Naturally, there are those here that feel different and I can't speak for them. However, I personally feel that as an offensive move, the US makes it's own choice. They definitely have the strength and power to accomplish their task. Hell, we can't even keep helicopters in the sky or keep our subs from leaking!!! Let's not pick on the '90lb weakling' neighbour. Make no mistake. Should, for whatever reason, the tables turned and things turn to a defensive mode Canada will be in there like white over rice. I have many friends in the US and they don't boycott me. We do have a couple of asses in office that make stupid remarks and you can better your higher-valued dollar that they don't get elected again. The little guys (voters) can only bitch-slap those kinds of politicians by using the almight vote. Just my rantings. -Original Message- From: Jerry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: March 30, 2003 9:28 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum Roger That!! Thanks for sitting me straight...Shame on them...I will go on a 1 mile run as soon as I finish imported steak (LOL), and freedom wineHoorar (82 Airborne word)' Jerry -Original Message- From: Hakan Falk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 10:22 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum Jerry, I think you misunderstood it, it is in foreign countries that a movement is growing now to boycott American companies/products. It is a reaction on the unjust war and maybe the pictures of Americans emptying fine French wine in the gutter, a waste that is criminal. If anyone want to get rid of good French wine, please send it to me. But I think that the parents to those who did it, are angry now and are stocking up again. I talked to young people in Spain, Germany and Sweden and they want to boycott what they see as American interests. Not always smart, but a healthy reaction on something that they see as unjust war. They do not trust the altruistic songs from Bush Co. It is expected that the PP party in Spain will loose a lot of votes on this. Although Bush get a lot of support for the war in the polls, a majority says that they would not vote for him again. So he stand a far chance of joining his father in being one of the very few presidents who lost a reelection. The support for Blair show a similar tendency. Boycotts are sometimes efficient, but I agree that it very seldom hurts the ones that they are aimed for. Look at the US led UN boycott against Iraq and the hundreds of thousands of children who died because of it. Personally I think that McDonalds is a part of the US chemical warfare and since I do not eat their stuff, I cannot boycott them. Maybe we will get some healthier youngsters as a result of the war and that is positive. I stopped to drink Coca Cola, but that was for health reasons also. I have a similar thing with French Fries (Freedom Fries, LOL), stopped eating that too, because if you do a chemical analysis, they are
