Re: [biofuel] Technical question - catalysts

[martin]

paul van den bergen wrote:

>Can some one direct me to a definitive answer on the transesterification 
>mechanism and in particular the role and nature of the catalyst?
>
>
>
>  
>
Paul,
There isn't a true catalyst in the reaction. The sodium methoxide which 
is added is partially used up in the reaction. A true catalyst goes in a 
cycle and is left to be used repeatedly. I could possibly get my sister 
[BS Chemistry] to write about it. Try searching google.com for details, 
I'm sure someone has a web page about the reaction.

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Re: [biofuel] Energy use in buildings was: 42,850 Traffic Deaths in 2002

[martin]

Yes, it is a high figure, but everyone i know wears their seatbelt when 
they get in a vehicle.
It is not secondary.

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paul van den bergen wrote:

>Do we all agree that it is too high a figure?
>
>
>
>aside:  about 2 years ago there was a beatup media story here about airbags 
>killing dogs and children and it being safer not to install them.  Turns out 
>the story was taken direct from the US news feeds without references to the 
>differences in driving behaviour between the US and Australia.  Now, I don't 
>know this for sure, but I get teh impression that seatbelts are fairly much 
>regarded as optional in the US, where as in Australia they have been 
>compulsory for so long it is habitual.  I was told the reason for the high 
>incident of airbag deaths was because in the US (with low seat belt use) they 
>were the _primary_ restraint mechanism (trigger threshold set at ~10 kph) 
>where as in Oz they are definitely the secondary restraint (trigger threshold 
>set at ~30 kph - I.e. will not deploy if the car is going less than 30 kph).
>
>Like I said I do not know if this is the whole truth, but there you go... I 
>for instance can see problems if you are a stationary vehicle being 
>impacted *shrug*
>
>  
>




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[biofuel] land rover diesel conversion

[Josh Cohen]

hi all,

so just as i give up on my hunt for a diesel engine for my 97 land rover d-90, 
i come across a  86 Iveco liquid cooled Fiat, direct injected, turbo diesel 
from an 1986 iveco truck for 1000 bucks. It is in good condition complete with 
injection pump, turbo, and starter ready to run. The transmission is a Chrysler 
727 automatic that Iveco used in the trucks. will this be a match for my 
vehicle?i was hoping for a 300 tdi which would require some major modifications 
of my car, and i am wondering if this engine and trasmission would be a good 
fit as well and will i need to add a ton of other parts? anyone have any ideas? 
(im this close just leaving the rover alone for a while and getting a commuter 
diesel that i can convert to svo).

josh


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[biofuel] Technical question - catalysts

[paul van den bergen]

Can some one direct me to a definitive answer on the transesterification 
mechanism and in particular the role and nature of the catalyst?



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Re: [biofuel] yurts

[paul van den bergen]

On Thu, 1 May 2003 01:15 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Have you considered using 20 foot ISO containers for shelter. 

> I like the fact that containers have their own internal strength
> independent of any need for a foundation. 

>They are also stackable, so ground space can be
> conserved if necessary.

I was seriously considering this option for building a cellar when I needed to 
replace the shed... In the end I did not have the money to go ahead with it, 
which is a pity... would have worked beautifully.

The idea was to dig a hole so that the top of the container was just below 
ground level then back fill and top with a concrete slab so that the workshop 
of the shed was at ground level and the cellar was accessable via a concrete 
well/staircase off to one side...

Since having that idea it has occured to me that one could extend it 
significantly - how much load can these things take - presumably lots since 
they are loaded and stacked several high on ships - could one line the entire 
house block with them and build the house on top (or is that just going too 
far?)

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Re: [biofuel] living with less, an experiment in minimalism

[paul van den bergen]

On Wed, 30 Apr 2003 01:08 am, Steve Spence wrote:
> For the next 6 months, we will be collecting rain water for drinking
> and washing. We will be collecting heat from the sun and from a wood
> fire. We will cook with wood. We will generate electricity from the
> sun and wind for lights, communications, and appliances. We will grow
> our own food for as much is practical. We will barter and do odd jobs
> for the things we need, but cannot make. Welcome to our journey.

I have to say, good on you! and good luck.

are you familiar with the sustainable house? I think in Glebe, Sydney? Damn 
it, google isn't being helpful today... I will have to grab my fathers copy 
of the book and get the ISBN...

summary, small 2 story town house in Glebe, Sydney. Owners tried to make it as 
self sustainable as possible - basically to minimise inputs and outputs with 
the aim being 100 % self sufficiency... 

Interesting example of what can be done...



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[biofuel] 1.9 vw diesel without turbo

[Stanley Baer]

Remember someone asking about putting a VW diesel engine in a Japanese 
pickup.  That was me and I put a 1.6 litre diesel out of a 86 Golf in a 
92 Isuzu 4X4 pickup.  My problem is that the thing is terribly 
underpowered, I can't get it over a 100 km/hour on a flat road.  Hills 
are a big problem.  The swap does not allow for a turbo because it would 
interfere with the Isuzu starter.  Would a 1.9 TD without the turbo work 
and how much power would it have?

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[biofuel] Fwd: hybrids/hydrogen/emissions/impact

[Sam Clarkson]

Dear friends and fellow plant fuel advocates,
This is a letter I wrote this morning and edited appropriately for the 
following legislators, as well as the San Jose Mercury News. please take 
five minutes to edit it yourself and send it to whoever you think needs 
to hear it.
sam

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[EMAIL PROTECTED]

> Dear Governor Davis,
> Hybrids and Fuel cells are exciting new technologies, but aside from 
> emissions,  Batteries are a toxic reality all in and of themselves.
>
> All the attention focused on the emissions of our transportation is 
> like a doctor who focuses on the skin lesions of an AIDS patient, 
> refusing to treat the disease. Why not focus on the root problem of our 
> diseased system?
>
> Clearly, the problem is the fuel.  I am sure you know of the 
> possibilities inherent in Plant Based Fuels such as Biodiesel and 
> Ethanol.  Please support their implementation in our lives through 
> legislation and increased taxes on petroleum based fuels.
>
> In France all Diesel fuel is 30% Biodiesel, and that not only reduces 
> significantly the local emissions of diesel engines, and reduces French 
> dependence on Petroleum, but reduces the global emissions of all diesel 
> fuel sold in france by 30%-
> The plants which are grown for the fuel absorb the carbon expelled by 
> the engines on a one to one basis.
>
> Hybrid engines and Hydrogen Fuel cells are the cars of the future, but 
> today they are toys of the aristocracy.  For instant, massive change in 
> our local and global emissions, we need to mandate the use of plant 
> based fuels through increased availability of plant based fuels in pure 
> and blended forms, either through legally mandated implementation, or 
> modestly increased taxes on petroleum based fuels which transfer 
> directly to subsidies on plant based fuels.
>
> Californians everywhere are selflessly bidding up the prices on new and 
> used diesel vehicles, and going out of their way to pay 30-40% more 
> than Petroleum diesel for Biodiesel because we know that the future is 
> here.
>
> Imagine what we would do with state support.
>
> Sincerely
>
>
> Sam Clarkson
> 15 patrick rd
> Bonny Doon, CA 95060
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Re: [biofuel] Energy use in buildings was: 42,850 Traffic Deaths in 2002

[paul van den bergen]

On Thu, 1 May 2003 09:50 am, Hakan Falk wrote:
> Dear John,
>
> I think we can discuss which type of statistics that is
> the right one and the truth is that it is no single one that
> give a complete picture.

Do we all agree that it is too high a figure?



aside:  about 2 years ago there was a beatup media story here about airbags 
killing dogs and children and it being safer not to install them.  Turns out 
the story was taken direct from the US news feeds without references to the 
differences in driving behaviour between the US and Australia.  Now, I don't 
know this for sure, but I get teh impression that seatbelts are fairly much 
regarded as optional in the US, where as in Australia they have been 
compulsory for so long it is habitual.  I was told the reason for the high 
incident of airbag deaths was because in the US (with low seat belt use) they 
were the _primary_ restraint mechanism (trigger threshold set at ~10 kph) 
where as in Oz they are definitely the secondary restraint (trigger threshold 
set at ~30 kph - I.e. will not deploy if the car is going less than 30 kph).

Like I said I do not know if this is the whole truth, but there you go... I 
for instance can see problems if you are a stationary vehicle being 
impacted *shrug*

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Re: [biofuel] Re: Biofuel Seabox plants was: yurts

[Hakan Falk]

Hi Girl Mark,

Do you have any picture for my page. or a link with
description and pictures. If you want to publish a small
article about your setup, I would love it on my site and I
am sure Keith also.

Hakan


At 02:53 AM 5/1/2003 +, you wrote:
>Another great advantage of sea containers is that the floors are very
>leakproof.
>
>Our biodiesel coop, a large homebrewer-style arrangement, is housed
>in 1/3 of a 40 foot sea container. The other 2/3 of the structure
>houses some fuel tanks for the facility's fleet. The facility that
>houses us has built a nice coffer dam in case a spill happens in one
>of their tanks, and we could potentially build the same kind of
>coffer dam across the front of the seabox for our own smaller spills
>(we use commercial 'containment pallets' underneath everything
>instead, but it limits the sizes of tanks we can use). The sea
>container is only 'open' on one end- so building containment is very
>easy as the rest of it is waterproof.
>
>It's great (other than that the 1/3 part is too small for our needs).
>It's too narrow for several people to work in one of these without
>feeling claustrophobic, but that could be fixed by cutting a door
>opening somewhere halfway down the sea container so as to have extra
>access in additin to the doors at the end.
>20 foot containers are available, they fit in your driveway even, and
>they're very good 'garages' for biodiesel productino equipment. Some
>small commercial biodiesel plants are sold containerized like this-
>and they manage to fit a lab and a bathroom into a large container as
>well as large biodiesel gear.
>
>
>mark
>
>
> > >Have you considered using 20 foot ISO containers for shelter.
>There are a lot
> > >of creative uses for these containers, which can be purchased
>fairly cheaply
> > >if they are used. They can be used as modules for any size home.
>Take a look
> > >at . For example, they have hospitals using 100
>container
> > >modules.
> > >
> > >I like the fact that containers have their own internal strength
>independent
> > >of any need for a foundation. One doesn't need to clutter the
>environment
> > >with
> > >foundations. They should be essentially earthquake proof.
>Obviously they
> > >would
> > >move around in an earthquake, but not be destroyed. They can be
>moved here
> > >and
> > >there with a truck. You can move your house with you. The
>containers can be
> > >recycled/reused indefinitely. Each container is water and air
>tight except at
> > >the doors. They can be infinitely modified according to one's
>needs. They are
> > >also stackable, so ground space can be conserved if necessary.
> > >
> > >I am thinking of starting with one for storage. Later, modifying
>one for a
> > >workshop. And, then, one for an office. Maybe one for the still,
>biodiesel,
> > >fuel storage, and generator. The nice thing, if I move somewhere
>else, I just
> > >close them up, and have someone haul them to my new place. I don't
>have to
> > >pack up everything separately and reorganize it in the new
>location.
> > >
> > >Derek
> > >
> > >
> > > >  >
> > > > >Greetings everybody.
> > > > >I have been looking into yurts and so far I like what I see.
>They seem to
> > > > >be a very low impact housing alternative.  Might anyone have
>experience
> > > > >living in one or have some knowledge that could prove useful?
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > A pal of mine has a couple in the desert in Almeria -  S
>Spain. He's
> > > called
> > > > David Dene and you can contact him on...
> > > >   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > >
> > > > James
> > > >
>
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Re: [biofuel] FW: Amnesty International

[Hakan Falk]

Done.

Hakan

At 08:54 PM 4/30/2003 -0600, you wrote:

>Subject: Amnesty International
>
>
>  Dear all
>Please do if you can.
>Love Rebekah Kx
>
>  Dear Friends,
> > >
> > > I have just learned that the Nigerian supreme court has upheld the
> > > death
> > sentence for Amina Lawal, who was condemned for the crime of
> > adultery.> She is to be buried up to her neck and stoned to death.
> > Her death has been postponed for one month so that she can continue to
> > nurse her baby.
> > >
> > > Amina's case is being handled by the Spanish branch of Amnesty
> > International, which is attempting to put together enough signatures
> > to make the Nigerian government rescind the death sentence.  (A
> > similar campaign saved another Nigerian woman, Safiya, condemned in
> > similar circumstances.)
> > >
> > > The petition has so far (as of April 7th) amassed over 4,100,000
> > signatures.  It will only take you a few seconds to sign Amnesty's
> > online petition.  Go to the web page
> > >  enter your first name in the
> > > space
> > marked 'nombre', last name ('apellidos'), county/state ('provincia'),
> > and country from the drop down box - choose Reino Unido (UK), Estados
> > Unidos (USA), or whichever is appropriate.  Then click on 'Seguir' and
> > go to the second page. There you have the option of entering your
> > email address if you wish to receive follow-up information.  In any
> > case, be sure to click on 'aceptar' to have your name added to the
> > petition list.  Please sign the petition now, then forward this
> > message to everyone in your address book.
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
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[biofuel] Re: Biofuel Seabox plants was: yurts

[girl_mark_fire]

Another great advantage of sea containers is that the floors are very 
leakproof.

Our biodiesel coop, a large homebrewer-style arrangement, is housed 
in 1/3 of a 40 foot sea container. The other 2/3 of the structure 
houses some fuel tanks for the facility's fleet. The facility that 
houses us has built a nice coffer dam in case a spill happens in one 
of their tanks, and we could potentially build the same kind of 
coffer dam across the front of the seabox for our own smaller spills 
(we use commercial 'containment pallets' underneath everything 
instead, but it limits the sizes of tanks we can use). The sea 
container is only 'open' on one end- so building containment is very 
easy as the rest of it is waterproof. 

It's great (other than that the 1/3 part is too small for our needs). 
It's too narrow for several people to work in one of these without 
feeling claustrophobic, but that could be fixed by cutting a door 
opening somewhere halfway down the sea container so as to have extra 
access in additin to the doors at the end.
20 foot containers are available, they fit in your driveway even, and 
they're very good 'garages' for biodiesel productino equipment. Some 
small commercial biodiesel plants are sold containerized like this- 
and they manage to fit a lab and a bathroom into a large container as 
well as large biodiesel gear.


mark


> >Have you considered using 20 foot ISO containers for shelter. 
There are a lot
> >of creative uses for these containers, which can be purchased 
fairly cheaply
> >if they are used. They can be used as modules for any size home. 
Take a look
> >at . For example, they have hospitals using 100 
container
> >modules.
> >
> >I like the fact that containers have their own internal strength 
independent
> >of any need for a foundation. One doesn't need to clutter the 
environment 
> >with
> >foundations. They should be essentially earthquake proof. 
Obviously they 
> >would
> >move around in an earthquake, but not be destroyed. They can be 
moved here 
> >and
> >there with a truck. You can move your house with you. The 
containers can be
> >recycled/reused indefinitely. Each container is water and air 
tight except at
> >the doors. They can be infinitely modified according to one's 
needs. They are
> >also stackable, so ground space can be conserved if necessary.
> >
> >I am thinking of starting with one for storage. Later, modifying 
one for a
> >workshop. And, then, one for an office. Maybe one for the still, 
biodiesel,
> >fuel storage, and generator. The nice thing, if I move somewhere 
else, I just
> >close them up, and have someone haul them to my new place. I don't 
have to
> >pack up everything separately and reorganize it in the new 
location.
> >
> >Derek
> >
> >
> > >  >
> > > >Greetings everybody.
> > > >I have been looking into yurts and so far I like what I see.  
They seem to
> > > >be a very low impact housing alternative.  Might anyone have 
experience
> > > >living in one or have some knowledge that could prove useful?
> > > >
> > >
> > > A pal of mine has a couple in the desert in Almeria -  S  
Spain. He's 
> > called
> > > David Dene and you can contact him on...
> > >   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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[biofuel] FW: Amnesty International

[kirk]

 
Subject: Amnesty International


 Dear all
Please do if you can.
Love Rebekah Kx
 
 Dear Friends,
> >
> > I have just learned that the Nigerian supreme court has upheld the
> > death
> sentence for Amina Lawal, who was condemned for the crime of
> adultery.> She is to be buried up to her neck and stoned to death.
> Her death has been postponed for one month so that she can continue to
> nurse her baby.
> >
> > Amina's case is being handled by the Spanish branch of Amnesty
> International, which is attempting to put together enough signatures
> to make the Nigerian government rescind the death sentence.  (A
> similar campaign saved another Nigerian woman, Safiya, condemned in
> similar circumstances.)
> >
> > The petition has so far (as of April 7th) amassed over 4,100,000
> signatures.  It will only take you a few seconds to sign Amnesty's
> online petition.  Go to the web page
> >  enter your first name in the
> > space
> marked 'nombre', last name ('apellidos'), county/state ('provincia'),
> and country from the drop down box - choose Reino Unido (UK), Estados
> Unidos (USA), or whichever is appropriate.  Then click on 'Seguir' and
> go to the second page. There you have the option of entering your
> email address if you wish to receive follow-up information.  In any
> case, be sure to click on 'aceptar' to have your name added to the
> petition list.  Please sign the petition now, then forward this
> message to everyone in your address book.
> >
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Re: [biofuel] yurts

[martin]

I've seen ... appropriately... a welder use one for his workshop/storage 
place.
Very secure as well, nobody is going to get one open at any other place 
than the door.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>...
>Have you considered using 20 foot ISO containers for shelter. There are a lot 
>of creative uses for these containers, which can be purchased fairly cheaply 
>if they are used. They can be used as modules for any size home. Take a look 
>at . For example, they have hospitals using 100 container 
>modules.
>
>I like the fact that containers have their own internal strength independent 
>of any need for a foundation. One doesn't need to clutter the environment with 
>foundations. They should be essentially earthquake proof. Obviously they would 
>move around in an earthquake, but not be destroyed. They can be moved here and 
>there with a truck. You can move your house with you. The containers can be 
>recycled/reused indefinitely. Each container is water and air tight except at 
>the doors. They can be infinitely modified according to one's needs. They are 
>also stackable, so ground space can be conserved if necessary.
>
>I am thinking of starting with one for storage. Later, modifying one for a 
>workshop. And, then, one for an office. Maybe one for the still, biodiesel, 
>fuel storage, and generator. The nice thing, if I move somewhere else, I just 
>close them up, and have someone haul them to my new place. I don’t have to 
>pack up everything separately and reorganize it in the new location.
>
>Derek
>
>
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[biofuel] Biofuel Seabox plants was: yurts

[Hakan Falk]

Derek,

I like it too for,
http://energy.saving.nu/biofuels/biofueldev.shtml
thanks for the link.

Hakan


At 03:15 PM 4/30/2003 +, you wrote:
>Where I worked in Beijing we had a large yurt that was used as a meeting and
>conference room. It was high-tech, insulated, and with electric heating and
>air-conditioning. Other than the shape I don't think it had much 
>similarity to
>the yurts of Mongolia. The irony of it was that it was manufactured in the
>USA, Oregon or Washington. One advantage was as a yurt it was classed as a
>temporary building and a lot of the restrictions on construction didn't apply.
>
>Have you considered using 20 foot ISO containers for shelter. There are a lot
>of creative uses for these containers, which can be purchased fairly cheaply
>if they are used. They can be used as modules for any size home. Take a look
>at . For example, they have hospitals using 100 container
>modules.
>
>I like the fact that containers have their own internal strength independent
>of any need for a foundation. One doesn't need to clutter the environment 
>with
>foundations. They should be essentially earthquake proof. Obviously they 
>would
>move around in an earthquake, but not be destroyed. They can be moved here 
>and
>there with a truck. You can move your house with you. The containers can be
>recycled/reused indefinitely. Each container is water and air tight except at
>the doors. They can be infinitely modified according to one's needs. They are
>also stackable, so ground space can be conserved if necessary.
>
>I am thinking of starting with one for storage. Later, modifying one for a
>workshop. And, then, one for an office. Maybe one for the still, biodiesel,
>fuel storage, and generator. The nice thing, if I move somewhere else, I just
>close them up, and have someone haul them to my new place. I don't have to
>pack up everything separately and reorganize it in the new location.
>
>Derek
>
>
> >  >
> > >Greetings everybody.
> > >I have been looking into yurts and so far I like what I see.  They seem to
> > >be a very low impact housing alternative.  Might anyone have experience
> > >living in one or have some knowledge that could prove useful?
> > >
> >
> > A pal of mine has a couple in the desert in Almeria -  S  Spain. He's 
> called
> > David Dene and you can contact him on...
> >   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > James
> >



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Re: [biofuel] Bush's "Christian" Blood Cult

[Steve Spence]

Whatever you want to think.

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> > sorry, it was Madsen who claimed it.
>
>  No.   Steve Spence claimed it --
>
> > The idea of the pope questioning Graham's "Christianity" is ludicrous.
> > Steve Spence
>
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Re: [biofuel] Bush's "Christian" Blood Cult

[MH]

> sorry, it was Madsen who claimed it.

 No.   Steve Spence claimed it -- 

> The idea of the pope questioning Graham's "Christianity" is ludicrous.
> Steve Spence

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[biofuel] Energy use in buildings was: 42,850 Traffic Deaths in 2002

[Hakan Falk]

Dear John,

I think we can discuss which type of statistics that is
the right one and the truth is that it is no single one that
give a complete picture.

The problem with death per billion kilometer is that it is
a minority of professional drivers that do the major part of
distances and with very few accidents. As long as we
totalize in this way and do not analyze the data in more
detail, we cannot really judge.

I belive that accident per drivers is a much better and
correct way. Even better if it is divided in age groups etc.
The ones that are best on this kind of analyzes are the
insurance companies and they seems to evaluate the
following in more or less order,

1. Accidents per drivers and age group.
2. Type and age of vehicle.
3. Experiences, accident free group.
4. Sex, women starts to emerge as a fairly secure group.
5. Very low addition for more kilometers per year, over
 a certain limit. Many have only less than 1,500 km per
 year 1.500 to 3,000 per year and over 3,000.

etc, etc.

They are in the business to get this evaluations right and
the worst seems to be a male under 25 years of age. This
is more or less 4 times the insurance of an older person
with experience.

If you look at accidents per kilometer, it does not seem
to be a major risk factor and the addition often nullified
by other factors.

So accidents per drivers, seems to be the most important
one. My argument was that the top 20 industrial countries
have very similar population data in percentage of drivers
in the population, demographics (comes from Greek for
people description, picture, not to be mistaken for democratic
which is people rule -:)), vehicle mix, etc.. So if we want to
do a comparison in this group with accidents per population,
it has somewhat better validity than accidents per distance or
even accident per vehicle. Outside this group of countries,
the accidents per driver must be the most important one,
since we no longer have homogenous population data.

The reality is that we have an accident prone group that is
well defined and we can isolate that one and measure it
in percentage of population. This group can the, be defined by
its characteristics and skills or rather lack of.

I agree with some of your philosophical engineering points,
logic is sometimes a difficult thing. Not least when it comes
to energy use in buildings. Now I got that in also, LOL.
http://energysavingnow.com

Hope you had a good meal, I will go to bed or rather the sofa.
I have to sleep on one side after my eye operation and I am
not allowed to turn. So the sofa is the best place to sleep in,
because it restricts my possibilities to turn around.

I will keep an eye open for your answer. -:)

Hakan


At 01:08 PM 4/30/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>Hakan Falk wrote:
>
> >The training, tests and exams are more extensive. Skidding training
> >are mandatory and certificate is necessary for drivers licence.
> >
>Yes, US driver training is utterly horrible. And driver discipline is
>worse.
>
> >Germany have much better statistics than US, that is a fact.
> >
> >
> >
> >US is among the leaders on accidents and fatalities what ever way you 
> look at the numbers.
> >
>Actually, no. When looked at as traffic deaths per distance travelled ,
>which is the proper statistic in my opinion given that time on the road
>as a function of distance travelled is far more meaningful in assessing
>true risk as compared to deaths per population or per vehicle
>registered, the US is actually one of the 5 safest countries. In fact.
>just to name a few, the US is safer than Germany, Switzerland or France.
>Of course, Sweden is #2 on the list, behind Great Britain.  My source is
>the International Road Traffic and Accident Database located at
>http://www.bast.de/htdocs/fachthemen/irtad/utility/p73.pdf.
>
>My point isn't to be a US cheerleader but just to point out that your
>perceptions are not backed by the facts. The question then becomes how
>then is the US a relatatively safe to drive when the driver training and
>driver discipline is so incredibly bad?
>
>I'd suggest reason is a philosophical difference between the US and
>Europe with regard to risks and hazards.  To make some sweeping
>generalizations, Europeans look to avoid accidents whereas Americans
>tend to look to survive accidents. Typically, this results in a
>different engineering approach. Plenty of good examples pop into my mind
>without thinking about it very hard. As was already mentioned, this can
>been seen in the amount of steering bias seen in European v. American
>cars;  European cars tend toward neutral steering or oversteer while
>cars built in Detroit have lots of understeer. (Old racing joke: What's
>the difference between understeer and oversteer? With understeer the
>front end of the car hits the wall first, with oversteer, the back end
>hits first.). I think most American's would rather drive a big Dodge
>SUV that *seems* like it will survive a crash better than a smaller more
>manuve

Re: [biofuel] Bush's "Christian" Blood Cult

[Steve Spence]

sorry, it was Madsen who claimed it.

according to the article the pope thinks that the Bush Administration knew
about the 9-11 attack beforehand.  Incorrect, but hardly incendiary.

I have little use for Madsen.


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> > The idea of the pope questioning Graham's "Christianity" is ludicrous.
> > Catholicism is more cultlike than many. Pot calling the kettle black.
> >
> > Steve Spence
>
>
>  Reread it and let us know where
>  you read that in the article ??
>  I think your confused.
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Re: [biofuel] yurts

[desertstallion]

Where I worked in Beijing we had a large yurt that was used as a meeting and 
conference room. It was high-tech, insulated, and with electric heating and 
air-conditioning. Other than the shape I don't think it had much similarity to 
the yurts of Mongolia. The irony of it was that it was manufactured in the 
USA, Oregon or Washington. One advantage was as a yurt it was classed as a 
temporary building and a lot of the restrictions on construction didn't apply.

Have you considered using 20 foot ISO containers for shelter. There are a lot 
of creative uses for these containers, which can be purchased fairly cheaply 
if they are used. They can be used as modules for any size home. Take a look 
at . For example, they have hospitals using 100 container 
modules.

I like the fact that containers have their own internal strength independent 
of any need for a foundation. One doesn't need to clutter the environment with 
foundations. They should be essentially earthquake proof. Obviously they would 
move around in an earthquake, but not be destroyed. They can be moved here and 
there with a truck. You can move your house with you. The containers can be 
recycled/reused indefinitely. Each container is water and air tight except at 
the doors. They can be infinitely modified according to one's needs. They are 
also stackable, so ground space can be conserved if necessary.

I am thinking of starting with one for storage. Later, modifying one for a 
workshop. And, then, one for an office. Maybe one for the still, biodiesel, 
fuel storage, and generator. The nice thing, if I move somewhere else, I just 
close them up, and have someone haul them to my new place. I donât have to 
pack up everything separately and reorganize it in the new location.

Derek


>  >
> >Greetings everybody.
> >I have been looking into yurts and so far I like what I see.  They seem to
> >be a very low impact housing alternative.  Might anyone have experience
> >living in one or have some knowledge that could prove useful?
> > 
> 
> A pal of mine has a couple in the desert in Almeria -  S  Spain. He's called 
> David Dene and you can contact him on... 
>   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
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RE: [biofuel] vacuum drying!

[mark schofield]

Hi

Sure a vacuum generator will work for the
sequential removal of methanol and water. 

Mark

 --- Myles Twete <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >
On vacuum:
> Once a vacuum is pulled on the chamber, the
> power required to pull the
> vacuum will be proportional to the rate of
> withdrawal of mass or volume at
> the vacuum pressure.  If you're not pulling off
> much or any water, there
> won't be much change in vacuum, requiring
> little extra power.
> 
> To minimize the power otherwise, limit the
> amount of space in the chamber
> above the liquid to minimize the work required
> by the vac pump.
> 
> Is a waterheater shell thick enough to avoid
> imploding with much vacuum?
> How thick are their shells?  A better
> alternative might be an ordinary water
> pressurization tank---I have one that's about
> 5feet tall, a little over
> 2feet diameter and has perhaps 1/4inch thick
> walls.  It easily handles
> positive pressure to 100psi---would likely
> handle any vacuum which could be
> pulled.
> 
> -Myles Twete, Portland
> > -Original Message-
> > From: girl mark
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Monday, April 28, 2003 2:46 PM
> > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com;
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> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: [biofuel] vacuum drying!
> >
> >
> > I just recently got an almost-free still
> (industrial solvent
> > recovery still
> > with a huge vacuum unit, salivate, salivate)
> and started
> > thinking about the
> > options that opens up for other fuels
> (ethanol).. I didn't
> > set it up yet as
> > we're trenching for power for it next weekend
> at the
> > earliest, and I don't
> > know for sure that its entirely intact.
> >
> > with my electric heating setup, I've had a
> hard time dewatering
> > extra-bad-quality WVO. Since I do two-stage
> process, I can
> > handle high ffa
> > content, I just hate dewatering, and I'd like
> to expand the
> > range of crappy
> > oil (McDonald's...) I utilize.
> >
> > anyway I had a thought that someone else
> might be able to
> > utilize sooner
> > than I would. How about pulling a vacuum on a
> container of
> > WVO (such as an
> > electric water heater) and distilling off the
> water vapor at
> > a lower temp?
> > I haven't built such a unit but it seems like
> one way to get
> > around the
> > awful energy use issues for dewatering since
> up to a point,
> > it takes less
> > energy to operate a vacuum pump than it does
> to operate a heating
> > element.  Refrigerator compressors can pull
> some vacuum and are free.
> >
> > Does anyone know offhand how much vacuum the
> fridge
> > compressors pull? I was
> > thinking additionally about using one of my
> 55gallon drums
> > for this- turn a
> > closed head drum upside down, thread a
> heating element into
> > the larger
> > bung, weld a couple of fittings into what is
> now the top, and
> > connect them
> > to a source of vacuum and an outlet for the
> water vapor. I
> > know that drums
> > can't handle much vacuum, too, but water
> heaters are free as
> > well so one
> > could try that if it collapses a drum (I
> prefer drums as they're more
> > portable).
> >
> > can someone point me to where I would find
> info on how much
> > vacuum one
> > needs to lower the boiling point of water,
> and by how much?
> >
> > thanks,
> > mark
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Re: [biofuel] Bush's "Christian" Blood Cult

[Appal Energy]

Then get rid of both the pot and the kettle.

Todd Swearingen

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> The idea of the pope questioning Graham's "Christianity" is ludicrous.
> Catholicism is more cultlike than many. Pot calling the kettle black.
>
> Steve Spence
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> Subject: [biofuel] Bush's "Christian" Blood Cult
>
>
> [Wayne Madsen, Washington, D.C.-based investigative journalist and former
> intelligence officer with
>  the National Security Agency drops some big bombshells in George W.
Bush's
> spiritual back yard. This
>  highly respected journalistic veteran quotes sources closest to the
Vatican
> as saying that Pope John
>  Paul II suspects that the Bush administration had foreknowledge of the
9-11
> attacks. He also points out
>  the obvious: Bush behavior and attitude are anything but Christian. -
MCR]
>
>  Bush's "Christian" Blood Cult
>  Concerns Raised by the Vatican
>  by WAYNE MADSEN
>  http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/042803_vatican.html
>
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[biofuel] Kubota SQ3200 SVO mod help request

[dave_337]

Hi i've recently purchased the above mentioned generator
and am considering trialing both biodiesel and SVO but
am weary especially withthe fear of SVO getting returned
to the normal diesel tank.

And also the destruction of certain parts with biodiesels corrosive 
quallities i'm not certain where the best place to add the
fuel selector tap?

Also this model like most new ones i think?
Has a return line to the fuel tank is that for the autopurging of air?

I remember reading in earlier posts in Re to vehicle mods that
this could be an issue.

Can it be done and how would be the best way for me to go about it?

Biodiesel seems the easiest option as it almost can be switched 
straight over no probs well apart from the fact certain materials get 
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Re: [biofuel] 42,850 Traffic Deaths in 2002

[John E Hayes III]

Hakan Falk wrote:

>The training, tests and exams are more extensive. Skidding training
>are mandatory and certificate is necessary for drivers licence.
>
Yes, US driver training is utterly horrible. And driver discipline is 
worse.

>Germany have much better statistics than US, that is a fact. 
>
> 
>
>US is among the leaders on accidents and fatalities what ever way you look at 
>the numbers. 
>
Actually, no. When looked at as traffic deaths per distance travelled , 
which is the proper statistic in my opinion given that time on the road 
as a function of distance travelled is far more meaningful in assessing 
true risk as compared to deaths per population or per vehicle 
registered, the US is actually one of the 5 safest countries. In fact. 
just to name a few, the US is safer than Germany, Switzerland or France. 
Of course, Sweden is #2 on the list, behind Great Britain.  My source is 
the International Road Traffic and Accident Database located at 
http://www.bast.de/htdocs/fachthemen/irtad/utility/p73.pdf.

My point isn't to be a US cheerleader but just to point out that your 
perceptions are not backed by the facts. The question then becomes how 
then is the US a relatatively safe to drive when the driver training and 
driver discipline is so incredibly bad?

I'd suggest reason is a philosophical difference between the US and 
Europe with regard to risks and hazards.  To make some sweeping 
generalizations, Europeans look to avoid accidents whereas Americans 
tend to look to survive accidents. Typically, this results in a 
different engineering approach. Plenty of good examples pop into my mind 
without thinking about it very hard. As was already mentioned, this can 
been seen in the amount of steering bias seen in European v. American 
cars;  European cars tend toward neutral steering or oversteer while 
cars built in Detroit have lots of understeer. (Old racing joke: What's 
the difference between understeer and oversteer? With understeer the 
front end of the car hits the wall first, with oversteer, the back end 
hits first.). I think most American's would rather drive a big Dodge  
SUV that *seems* like it will survive a crash better than a smaller more 
manuverable BMW that will avoid the crash entirely.  I also think you 
can see this difference in engineering approachs when comparing CART vs. 
Formula One tracks; the massive runoffs and gravel traps found on a CART 
circuit are nowhere to be found on an F1 track. I wonder if this is 
reflected in professional traffic engineering as well? The exception of 
the autobahn aside, aren't US interstates massively over engineered, by 
virtue of available space, when compared to the highways in other 
developed countries? A couple of years ago, a visiting scholar from 
Australia was in my lab for the summer. During the summer, he drove to 
Chicago and back from the East Coast; I distinctly remember him 
marvelling about how US interstates were unlike anything they had in 
Australia. My final example in differential engineering approachs 
relates to trains; it is my understanding that the US cannot buy proven 
off-the-shelf high speed trains from Europe because the US regulations 
require an ungodly high crush strength. Supposedly, this in turn makes 
the cars heavier and thus less prone to stop. The US regulations would 
rather make the train car survive an impact with a cement truck, 
regardless of the passengers inside the car, than make a lighter train 
that can stop short of the cement mixer. Rather stupid in my estimation, 
but they didn't ask me.

Anywho, I need some lunch.

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Re: [biofuel] living with less, an experiment in minimalism

[Steve Spence]

http://www.weblife.org/humanure/default.html

Chapter 9

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> I have been looking around the internet for info about Bioremediation, for
> some time, and have not found much on the homeowner scale. About every
thing
> so far, has been on the industrial / commercial scale.  Have you found
much
> for the small scale use of Bioremediation?  If so were?
>
> Greg H.
>
> P.S.
>
> Don't forget, that when the cattails get over crowded, you can use the
roots
> to make alk.
>
>
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>
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> > I'm looking at a constructed wetlands (pond) for grey water, and harvest
> the
> > cattails and water hyacinths for the compost bin. This will attract a
lot
> of
> > wild life for our enjoyment.
> >
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Re: [biofuel] living with less, an experiment in minimalism

[Greg and April]

I have been looking around the internet for info about Bioremediation, for
some time, and have not found much on the homeowner scale. About every thing
so far, has been on the industrial / commercial scale.  Have you found much
for the small scale use of Bioremediation?  If so were?

Greg H.

P.S.

Don't forget, that when the cattails get over crowded, you can use the roots
to make alk.


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> I'm looking at a constructed wetlands (pond) for grey water, and harvest
the
> cattails and water hyacinths for the compost bin. This will attract a lot
of
> wild life for our enjoyment.
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Re: [biofuel] Bush's "Christian" Blood Cult

[MH]

> The idea of the pope questioning Graham's "Christianity" is ludicrous.
> Catholicism is more cultlike than many. Pot calling the kettle black.
> 
> Steve Spence


 Reread it and let us know where
 you read that in the article ?? 
 I think your confused. 




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Re: [biofuel] Bush's "Christian" Blood Cult

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The idea of the pope questioning Graham's "Christianity" is ludicrous.
Catholicism is more cultlike than many. Pot calling the kettle black.

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[Wayne Madsen, Washington, D.C.-based investigative journalist and former
intelligence officer with
 the National Security Agency drops some big bombshells in George W. Bush's
spiritual back yard. This
 highly respected journalistic veteran quotes sources closest to the Vatican
as saying that Pope John
 Paul II suspects that the Bush administration had foreknowledge of the 9-11
attacks. He also points out
 the obvious: Bush behavior and attitude are anything but Christian. - MCR]

 Bush's "Christian" Blood Cult
 Concerns Raised by the Vatican
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[biofuel] Bush's "Christian" Blood Cult

[MH]

 [Wayne Madsen, Washington, D.C.-based investigative journalist and former 
intelligence officer with
 the National Security Agency drops some big bombshells in George W. Bush's 
spiritual back yard. This
 highly respected journalistic veteran quotes sources closest to the Vatican as 
saying that Pope John
 Paul II suspects that the Bush administration had foreknowledge of the 9-11 
attacks. He also points out
 the obvious: Bush behavior and attitude are anything but Christian. ö MCR]

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 Concerns Raised by the Vatican
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Re: [biofuel] living with less, an experiment in minimalism

[Steve Spence]

The local library is pretty sparse. The only book they had for solar or
renewables was an old copy of the realgoods sourcebook. They have a
interlibrary loan system, and there are 4 colleges within 20 miles, which
should have decent libraries.


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> You'll first re-discover the library. Carnegie did one good thing, at
> least,  in his life.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 29, 2003, at 01:07 PM, Steve Spence wrote:
>
> > I haven't, but I will. Anyone want to send me a copy? I have no budget
> > to
> > buy any more books.
> >
> > I am most enamored with Jenkins "Humanure" (have autographed copy).
> > Composting all biologic outputs saves me over 6000 gallons of water per
> > person, per year.
> >
> > Makes rain water recovery much more attractive.
> >
> > Steve Spence
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> >
> >> Good luck.
> >> Have you read "Voluntary Simplicity"?
> >>
> >> I
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tuesday, April 29, 2003, at 08:08 AM, Steve Spence wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> My family and I go camping often, and I've often wondered what it
> >>> would be like to live in the great outdoors. No public power, no
> >>> well, no sewer, no common "conveniences" that we have been led to
> >>> believe are necessary. This is the beginnings of my "Living with
> >>> Less" diary. It's sort of born of necessity. I lost my 6 figure per
> >>> year IT job, and realized how much I worked and spent just to keep
> >>> working. So this is our experiment in how little does one need to
> >>> Live (not exist). How little does it take to be happy and well cared
> >>> for.
> >>> For the next 6 months, we will be collecting rain water for drinking
> >>> and washing. We will be collecting heat from the sun and from a wood
> >>> fire. We will cook with wood. We will generate electricity from the
> >>> sun and wind for lights, communications, and appliances. We will grow
> >>> our own food for as much is practical. We will barter and do odd jobs
> >>> for the things we need, but cannot make. Welcome to our journey.
> >>>
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Re: [biofuel] living with less, an experiment in minimalism

[Kim & Garth Travis]

Great idea!  I didn't know about alternative building methods, compost 
toilets, biofuels or anything else healthy when I put my septic in.  It is 
a jet style, with aerator and pump that uses lots of electricity the way 
they set it up.  We replace their aerator with one for a large aquarium, 
and cut the power usage by 75%.

Speaking of wild life, we saw a mountain lion on our property about 2 weeks 
ago.  By the time I got the camera, it was gone.

Bright Blessings,
Kim

At 10:04 AM 4/30/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>I'm looking at a constructed wetlands (pond) for grey water, and harvest the
>cattails and water hyacinths for the compost bin. This will attract a lot of
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>Subject: Re: [biofuel] living with less, an experiment in minimalism
>
>
> > I too love composting all biologic outputs.  It means that I am not tied
>to
> > the septic system, which I now use for grey water.  It is also nice to
>have
> > facilities at the back of the land, so I am not constantly driving back
>and
> > forth when working back there.  [Bushes don't work too well for girls]
> >
> > I have read several books on the simple life, but I didn't find many of
> > them fit me.  We found our way the way Steve is planning on
> > proceeding.  Strip life back to minimum, live like that for a while, then
> > add in what is needed for health and happiness.  We started with 20 acres,
> > I built a 400 sq. ft. shell of a house, electricity, no water or
> > sewage.  We moved in and for the next 3 years we were gone 28 days a
> > month.  It took a long time to get that indoor, running hot water
> > shower.  Ahhh, the luxury!!!
> >
> > For my husband and I, we do require a roof that doesn't leak, walls that
> > block most of the wind, heat in the winter when it is below 50F outside,
> > and our fur family.  After that comes the tools that allow us to do for
> > ourselves,  and the older I get, the more I appreciate having the right
> > tool for a job.  [I consider the internet a tool]
> >
> > I would love to hear of other people's journeys.
> >
> > Bright Blessings,
> > Kim
> >
> > At 04:07 PM 4/29/2003 -0400, you wrote:
> > >I haven't, but I will. Anyone want to send me a copy? I have no budget to
> > >buy any more books.
> > >
> > >I am most enamored with Jenkins "Humanure" (have autographed copy).
> > >Composting all biologic outputs saves me over 6000 gallons of water per
> > >person, per year.
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Re: [biofuel] World's first hydrogen service station opens in Iceland

[martin]

An electrochemical reaction where the desired product has to be forced 
out at a relatively high pressure requires more energy to push the 
reaction over equilibrium.

kirk wrote:

>I'm not aware of any change in potential with pressure. You have any data to
>the contrary?
>Kirk
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Re: [biofuel] living with less, an experiment in minimalism

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I'm looking at a constructed wetlands (pond) for grey water, and harvest the
cattails and water hyacinths for the compost bin. This will attract a lot of
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> I too love composting all biologic outputs.  It means that I am not tied
to
> the septic system, which I now use for grey water.  It is also nice to
have
> facilities at the back of the land, so I am not constantly driving back
and
> forth when working back there.  [Bushes don't work too well for girls]
>
> I have read several books on the simple life, but I didn't find many of
> them fit me.  We found our way the way Steve is planning on
> proceeding.  Strip life back to minimum, live like that for a while, then
> add in what is needed for health and happiness.  We started with 20 acres,
> I built a 400 sq. ft. shell of a house, electricity, no water or
> sewage.  We moved in and for the next 3 years we were gone 28 days a
> month.  It took a long time to get that indoor, running hot water
> shower.  Ahhh, the luxury!!!
>
> For my husband and I, we do require a roof that doesn't leak, walls that
> block most of the wind, heat in the winter when it is below 50F outside,
> and our fur family.  After that comes the tools that allow us to do for
> ourselves,  and the older I get, the more I appreciate having the right
> tool for a job.  [I consider the internet a tool]
>
> I would love to hear of other people's journeys.
>
> Bright Blessings,
> Kim
>
> At 04:07 PM 4/29/2003 -0400, you wrote:
> >I haven't, but I will. Anyone want to send me a copy? I have no budget to
> >buy any more books.
> >
> >I am most enamored with Jenkins "Humanure" (have autographed copy).
> >Composting all biologic outputs saves me over 6000 gallons of water per
> >person, per year.
>
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[biofuels-biz] Good to read!

[Steven & Helen Hobbs]

Looks like someone has realized something!
http://theland.farmonline.com.au/news_daily.asp?ag_id=11172

Regards
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RE: [biofuel] World's first hydrogen service station opens in Iceland

[kirk]

I'm not aware of any change in potential with pressure. You have any data to
the contrary?
Kirk

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Down goes efficiency.

kirk wrote:

>[compressing would waste a lot of energy].
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Re: [biofuel] living with less, an experiment in minimalism

[Kim & Garth Travis]

I too love composting all biologic outputs.  It means that I am not tied to 
the septic system, which I now use for grey water.  It is also nice to have 
facilities at the back of the land, so I am not constantly driving back and 
forth when working back there.  [Bushes don't work too well for girls]

I have read several books on the simple life, but I didn't find many of 
them fit me.  We found our way the way Steve is planning on 
proceeding.  Strip life back to minimum, live like that for a while, then 
add in what is needed for health and happiness.  We started with 20 acres, 
I built a 400 sq. ft. shell of a house, electricity, no water or 
sewage.  We moved in and for the next 3 years we were gone 28 days a 
month.  It took a long time to get that indoor, running hot water 
shower.  Ahhh, the luxury!!!

For my husband and I, we do require a roof that doesn't leak, walls that 
block most of the wind, heat in the winter when it is below 50F outside, 
and our fur family.  After that comes the tools that allow us to do for 
ourselves,  and the older I get, the more I appreciate having the right 
tool for a job.  [I consider the internet a tool]

I would love to hear of other people's journeys.

Bright Blessings,
Kim

At 04:07 PM 4/29/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>I haven't, but I will. Anyone want to send me a copy? I have no budget to
>buy any more books.
>
>I am most enamored with Jenkins "Humanure" (have autographed copy).
>Composting all biologic outputs saves me over 6000 gallons of water per
>person, per year.


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[biofuels-biz] EERE Network News -- 04/30/03

[EERE]

==
EERE NETWORK NEWS -- April 30, 2003
A weekly newsletter from the U.S. Department of Energy's (DOE)
Office of Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy (EERE).

==

Featuring:
*News and Events
   DOE to Fund Eight Tribes to Develop Renewable Energy
   DOE Office Facility in Maryland Earns the Energy Star Label
   Architect Group Names the Top Ten Green Projects for 2003
   Large Solar Power Systems Online in New Jersey, California
   Shell Hydrogen Opens Hydrogen Fueling Station in Iceland
   California Air Board Allows Fuel-Cell Focus in New ZEV Rules

*Site News
   European Commission End-Use Energy Efficiency Activities

*Energy Connections
   Sandia's "Z Machine" Reveals New Approach to Fusion Energy

*About this Newsletter


Editor's Note: We've renamed our former "Energy Facts and Tips"
section as "Energy Connections" to better reflect the purpose of that
section, which provides a broad view of the U.S. and world energy
situation and outlook. The content remains unchanged.

--
NEWS AND EVENTS
--
DOE to Fund Eight Tribes to Develop Renewable Energy

DOE announced on April 24th its award of $1.3 million to eight Native
American tribes to develop renewable energy projects on their lands.
The funds will go toward feasibility studies on tribal lands located
in Alaska, California, Nevada, New Mexico, Oklahoma, South Dakota,
Washington and Wisconsin. Although four of the tribes will investigate
renewable energy resources in general, the other four tribes will
explore the potential of specific renewable energy technologies,
including biofuel for power production, biogas generation from manure
and other biomass sources, wind power, and a hybrid power system using
both wind power and hydropower. See the DOE press release at:
.

DOE's Tribal Energy Program promotes tribal self-sufficiency and
fosters employment and economic development on tribal lands by
providing technical and financial assistance to tribes that want to
develop the renewable energy resources on their lands. See the Tribal
Energy Program Web site at:
.


DOE Office Facility in Maryland Earns the Energy Star Label

DOE's office facility in Germantown, Maryland, earned the Energy Star
designation for energy efficiency on April 23th. On an energy
consumption scale of 0 to 100, the Germantown facility earned a score
of 83. To earn an Energy Star label, a building must score 75 points
or more. The Germantown facility is the fifth DOE building to earn an
Energy Star label, following the lead established by Building 69 at
the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory, Buildings 117 and 132 at
the Nevada Test Site, and the Buildings Technology Center Headquarters
building at Oak Ridge National Laboratory. See the DOE press release
at: .


Architect Group Names the Top Ten Green Projects for 2003

On Earth Day, April 22nd, the American Institute of Architects (AIA)
announced its selection of the top ten examples of buildings that
protect and enhance the environment. The 2003 AIA Top Ten Green
Projects span a wide variety of buildings, including a home, a five-
story housing project, and a forensics laboratory. Despite such
diversity in buildings, all of them combine energy efficiency with
appropriate uses of solar energy to meet the buildings' energy needs.
The top ten projects implemented such design approaches as passive
solar heating and cooling, natural ventilation, daylighting, earth-
sheltered construction, and straw-bale construction. The projects
include such technologies as high-efficiency lighting, solar electric
systems, solar hot water systems, geothermal heat pumps, a natural-gas
cogeneration system, a microturbine, and high-efficiency windows and
appliances.

AIA's Committee on the Environment (COTE) developed the sixth annual
Top Ten Green Projects initiative in partnership with DOE and
Environmental Building News magazine. The top ten projects will be
honored on May 1st at the National Building Museum, then again on May
9th at the AIA National Convention and Design Expo in San Diego,
California. The AIA press release for the Top Ten Green Projects links
each winning entry to a High-Performance Building Case Study on the
EERE Web site. See the AIA press release at:
.


Large Solar Power Systems Online in New Jersey, California

The number of large solar power installations in the United States
continued to grow in recent weeks, including two new projects in the
half-

[biofuel] EERE Network News -- 04/30/03

[EERE]

==
EERE NETWORK NEWS -- April 30, 2003
A weekly newsletter from the U.S. Department of Energy's (DOE)
Office of Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy (EERE).

==

Featuring:
*News and Events
   DOE to Fund Eight Tribes to Develop Renewable Energy
   DOE Office Facility in Maryland Earns the Energy Star Label
   Architect Group Names the Top Ten Green Projects for 2003
   Large Solar Power Systems Online in New Jersey, California
   Shell Hydrogen Opens Hydrogen Fueling Station in Iceland
   California Air Board Allows Fuel-Cell Focus in New ZEV Rules

*Site News
   European Commission End-Use Energy Efficiency Activities

*Energy Connections
   Sandia's "Z Machine" Reveals New Approach to Fusion Energy

*About this Newsletter


Editor's Note: We've renamed our former "Energy Facts and Tips"
section as "Energy Connections" to better reflect the purpose of that
section, which provides a broad view of the U.S. and world energy
situation and outlook. The content remains unchanged.

--
NEWS AND EVENTS
--
DOE to Fund Eight Tribes to Develop Renewable Energy

DOE announced on April 24th its award of $1.3 million to eight Native
American tribes to develop renewable energy projects on their lands.
The funds will go toward feasibility studies on tribal lands located
in Alaska, California, Nevada, New Mexico, Oklahoma, South Dakota,
Washington and Wisconsin. Although four of the tribes will investigate
renewable energy resources in general, the other four tribes will
explore the potential of specific renewable energy technologies,
including biofuel for power production, biogas generation from manure
and other biomass sources, wind power, and a hybrid power system using
both wind power and hydropower. See the DOE press release at:
.

DOE's Tribal Energy Program promotes tribal self-sufficiency and
fosters employment and economic development on tribal lands by
providing technical and financial assistance to tribes that want to
develop the renewable energy resources on their lands. See the Tribal
Energy Program Web site at:
.


DOE Office Facility in Maryland Earns the Energy Star Label

DOE's office facility in Germantown, Maryland, earned the Energy Star
designation for energy efficiency on April 23th. On an energy
consumption scale of 0 to 100, the Germantown facility earned a score
of 83. To earn an Energy Star label, a building must score 75 points
or more. The Germantown facility is the fifth DOE building to earn an
Energy Star label, following the lead established by Building 69 at
the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory, Buildings 117 and 132 at
the Nevada Test Site, and the Buildings Technology Center Headquarters
building at Oak Ridge National Laboratory. See the DOE press release
at: .


Architect Group Names the Top Ten Green Projects for 2003

On Earth Day, April 22nd, the American Institute of Architects (AIA)
announced its selection of the top ten examples of buildings that
protect and enhance the environment. The 2003 AIA Top Ten Green
Projects span a wide variety of buildings, including a home, a five-
story housing project, and a forensics laboratory. Despite such
diversity in buildings, all of them combine energy efficiency with
appropriate uses of solar energy to meet the buildings' energy needs.
The top ten projects implemented such design approaches as passive
solar heating and cooling, natural ventilation, daylighting, earth-
sheltered construction, and straw-bale construction. The projects
include such technologies as high-efficiency lighting, solar electric
systems, solar hot water systems, geothermal heat pumps, a natural-gas
cogeneration system, a microturbine, and high-efficiency windows and
appliances.

AIA's Committee on the Environment (COTE) developed the sixth annual
Top Ten Green Projects initiative in partnership with DOE and
Environmental Building News magazine. The top ten projects will be
honored on May 1st at the National Building Museum, then again on May
9th at the AIA National Convention and Design Expo in San Diego,
California. The AIA press release for the Top Ten Green Projects links
each winning entry to a High-Performance Building Case Study on the
EERE Web site. See the AIA press release at:
.


Large Solar Power Systems Online in New Jersey, California

The number of large solar power installations in the United States
continued to grow in recent weeks, including two new projects in the
half-

Re: [biofuel] yurts

[milliontc]

 >
>Greetings everybody.
>I have been looking into yurts and so far I like what I see.  They seem to
>be a very low impact housing alternative.  Might anyone have experience
>living in one or have some knowledge that could prove useful?
> 

A pal of mine has a couple in the desert in Almeria -  S  Spain. He's called 
David Dene and you can contact him on... 
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[biofuels-biz] Re: 1000 tons of biodiesel needed now

[akarbowski]

requested delivery date is ASAP, location is Regensburg (Germany) so 
the terms of delivery ideally would be CIF Regensburg, delivered at 
once in this quantity (prefferably of course, alternatives are worth 
considering too). 

bes tregards, 
Adrian 
www.biodiesel.pl

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> 
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> 
> Dear All,
> 
> Plaese let me know if You are in a position to supply or familiar
> with such a possibility to supply 1000 tons of biodiesel.
> 
> I would be very thankful for any positive answer to this.
> Adrian
> 
> 
> 
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[biofuel] BBC Scotland-Cooking oil 'to be turned into fuel'

[Darren]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/2531241.stm

Sunday, 1 December, 2002, 03:58 GMT 
Cooking oil 'to be turned into fuel'

 
Cars, buses and lorries could use biodiesel

Plans to build a £10m factory capable of converting used cooking oil
into fuel have been announced. 
Argent Energy claims that the plant near Newarthill, Motherwell, would
be the largest of its kind in the world. 

The company says that the first large-scale biodiesel production unit in
Scotland would be capable of creating 50m litres of fuel a year. 

 
Blended fuel will be sold in the UK
 
It is hoped to start construction in the spring of 2003, with production
beginning the following year. 

The facility will be capable of processing most oils and fats, whether
they are saturated or unsaturated. 

They will be converted into biodiesel, which can be used pure or blended
with mineral diesel. 

The company anticipates that the fuel will be sold in a blended form in
the UK. 

Andrew Hunter, the joint managing director of Argent Group Europe, said
the plant would have significant environmental and agricultural
implications. 

Environmental benefits 

It is thought that the factory would be able to handle waste oils
produced by UK's fast food and catering industries. 

"This is the start of possibly the most exciting sustainable energy
project in Scotland," he said. 

"Raw materials increasingly considered as 'waste' will be recycled into
biodiesel which, when blended with conventional diesel, will deliver
significant environmental benefits. 

"There is no reason why all diesel cars, buses and lorries will not be
able to benefit from using this biofuel." 

Argent Energy struck a £10m deal with Austrian manufacturer BioDiesel
International (BDI) to make the plant a reality. 



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