[biofuels-biz] Fwd: Re: What Is Synthetic Oil Made Of?
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 22:09:53 - From: nortonvillars [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: What Is Synthetic Oil Made Of? Synthetic oils (Group IV and V) are made from ethane, propane, butane and other gases-liquids from petroleum processing or hydrocarbon processing. The single bond alkanes are cracked (alkenes and some alkynes) so they have double bonds (called olefins). These are combined or polymerized (more correctly oligermerized) to form polyolefins. Same as the polyethylene in your garbage bags. The carbon 8-14 are oil like, hence synthetic oils. They are stable to high temp. But they do not accept additives well so they are blended with mineral oils and esters to assist addtive packages. Yes, they can be aggressive on old engine seals and sludges. For older cars, best to not run them. They are too costly. Use cheap minerals oils. Some canola is being examined for additives to replace or run with mineral-synthetics. Of course, veg oils form an important part of biofuels. Hope this helps. --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My new 1984 Mercedes 300DT is going to need an oil change right away. Naturally I would like to consider using a non-petroleum-based oil. What are synthetic oils made of? Snips and snails and puppy-dog tails? Sugar and spice and all things nice? In other words, are any/some/all synthetic oils non-petroleum? Are any particular brands better than others? If I use synthetic oil (which I believe is much more expensive) should I Get Real about one of those bypass filtering systems that were recently discussed? Thank you. Maud Trying to do the right thing in St. Louis, MO Mainly made of polyol ester, but I don't know what polyol ester is. :-/ I gave you these last time you asked about synthetic oil, did you check them? Informative article about synthetic oils here: http://www.mr2.com/TEXT/synth_oil.txt Synthetic Oil: Rx for Long Engine Life by Curt Scott It's quite long, there's something shorter here: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?view=25512list=BIOFUEL ... and some discussion here: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php? view=25512list=biofuelrelated=1 There's also this: ARS and Industry Test New Vegetable Oils as Industrial Lubricants ___ ARS News Service Agricultural Research Service, USDA March 26, 2001 Linda McGraw, (309) 681-6530, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Several newly developed vegetable oils--from soybeans, canola, corn, sunflower, lesquerella, and meadowfoam--could replace more expensive and less biodegradable synthetic chemicals for industrial uses, according to an ARS chemist in Peoria, Ill. Researchers at ARS' National Center for Agricultural Utilization Research (NCAUR) in Peoria have developed and tested more than 50 new fluids derived from vegetable oils. They have also turned these vegetable-oil based fluids into replacements for petroleum-based materials. Under a research agreement with Caterpillar Inc., in Peoria, the ARS scientists are learning which of their 50 plus new fluids have the most potential as base oils for lubricants. So far, two have been found to perform as well as petroleum-based lubricants, according to Sevim Z. Erhan, leader of oil chemical research at NCAUR. The payoff: U.S. agriculture benefits by increasing the demand for U.S.-grown agricultural products. Environmental concerns have created a high demand for biodegradable lubricants and hydraulic fluids, but only two percent of the hydraulic fluids in bulldozers, tractors and heavy equipment is biodegradable. The ARS approach might help make the use of biodegradable lubricants more successful. Rather than develop a final lubricant for a specific use, Erhan and her colleagues make simple chemical modifications to vegetable oils and test them for improvements before adding lubricating additives. These modifications enable a biodegradable product to perform nearly as well as a synthetic one, but at lower cost. Biodegradable vegetable base oils cost about 35 cents a pound. In contrast, lubricant manufacturers face costs ranging from 25 cents for a base of mineral oil to $1.50 a pound for a base of synthetic esters. Caterpillar engineers are testing the performance of one of the ARS-developed base oils. ARS is the chief scientific research agency for the USDA. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Remanufactured Ink Cartridges Refill Kits at MyInks.com for: HP $8-20. Epson $3-9, Canon $5-15, Lexmark $4-17. Free s/h over $50 (US Canada). http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=6351 http://us.click.yahoo.com/0zJuRD/6CvGAA/qnsNAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever
[biofuels-biz] re: what are synthetic oils made of
I strongly suggest Mobil 1 15-40 or 0-40. These are the two highest rated oils by MB, andthe only two that pass their most stringent testing. If you want more information, try searching on www.mbz.org. As a mercedes diesel owner, I highly reccommend joining the MB Diesel list at that website. It is an excellent source of information from many other experienced DIY MB owners. They have a great catalogue of information at that website, and a link to the cheapest parts available for mercedes. Hope this doesn't sound like too big a plug, but as an owner of a '76 MB 240D I don't know how my car would be running without the help of that list. It's a great source for someone trying to keep a great old car running. And, I think it's great for there to be more biodiesel enthusiasts on that site, showing other diesel owners the benefits of biodiesel. Chris Jude My new 1984 Mercedes 300DT is going to need an oil change right away. Naturally I would like to consider using a non-petroleum-based oil. What are synthetic oils made of? Snips and snails and puppy-dog tails? Sugar and spice and all things nice? In other words, are any/some/all synthetic oils non-petroleum? Are any particular brands better than others? If I use synthetic oil (which I believe is much more expensive) should I Get Real about one of those bypass filtering systems that were recently discussed? Thank you. - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- ReplayTV: Control live television Special Sale: 50% off ReplayTV CNet Ranked #1 over Tivo! http://us.click.yahoo.com/aUMW7B/A6qGAA/ySSFAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuels-biz] OT: (fwd) New York Times T-Zero Article Today
In reference to our recent discussions of Electrics and Hybrids and trailers and what-not. NEW YORK TIMES Friday, September 19, 2003 Lots of Zoom, With Batteries By CHRIS DIXON O.K., you hit this button, says Alan Cocconi, pointing to a control on a little G-force meter attached to his dashboard. Then hold down the brake really hard. Push on it with all your might. When it says `Go,' let off the brake and hold on. With that he steps out of the car. A flat, straight half-mile of asphalt is dead ahead; alongside stretches the runway of Brackett Field Airport east of Los Angeles. With the throttle and brake pedals fully pressed, the bright yellow sports car shudders with power ÷ but rather than the roar of a caged Lamborghini, the only sound is a muffled whine. Though the whine becomes only marginally louder when the brakes are released, everything else changes as the car lunges forward in a jaw-dropping, stomach-clenching and near-terrifying blur. In 3.7 seconds, it's all over. That's the time it has taken for this little electric sports car, the Tzero by AC Propulsion, to reach 60 miles per hour. And its only power is from a simple array of lithium-ion laptop computer batteries. Few street-legal automobiles are capable of running to 60 m.p.h. in under four seconds, and it's a safe bet that the Tzero is the only electric-powered car that can. The founders of AC Propulsion, based in San Dimas in the suburbs east of Los Angeles, seem to think that the lithium-ion batteries have led them to the holy grail of electric motoring: range and performance in one package. This is, however, after the major automakers have cast aside ideas of all-electric vehicles and turned their attention to hybrids and fuel cells. Thunderously fast but whisper quiet, the rear-wheel-drive Tzero began life in the late 1990's as a showcase for AC Propulsion's high-revving AC 150 drive system. A 220-horsepower street-legal racer, the car was powered by a series of deep-cycle automotive lead acid batteries. With 1,250 pounds of batteries on board, the original car was good for 4.1-second zero-to-60 times with a top speed of 90 m.p.h. and a range of 80 to 90 miles. Last month, however, AC Propulsion unveiled the latest version of the car, now powered by 6,800 lightweight lithium-ion laptop computer batteries. With these batteries ÷ and an increased top speed ÷ the Tzero weighs 700 pounds less and the company says it will run up to 300 miles on a single charge ÷ which requires a few hours plugged into a 220-volt outlet like the ones many households have for clothes dryers. It can also be recharged at a 110-volt outlet, but it takes about three times as long. The car, priced at $220,000, is available only directly from AC Propulsion and has not yet met federal safety regulations. The company says, though, that it is legal for street use when registered as a special construction vehicle, which is the way homemade and kit-built cars are registered. The Tzero at the speedway had a California license plate and had been driven to the track. So far, the company said, deposits have been made for eight cars with the lithium-ion system. (Two earlier versions, with lead acid batteries, were sold for private use.) What will a Tzero buyer get? A car that, from zero to 100 and through the quarter mile, will run with, or beat, the $281,000 Lamborghini Murcilago, the $224,000 Ferrari 575M Maranello or the $440,000 Porsche Carrera GT. And do it cleanly and quietly. However, with the single-gear Tzero's engine limited to just over 100 m.p.h. at 13,300 r.p.m.'s, it will never win an oval-track race against those supercars. But its developers are betting that the car's power and range will generate renewed interest not only in their company's offerings, but in electric cars in general. The Tzero is the brainchild of Mr. Cocconi, an engineer, and Tom Gage, a former race car driver and an engineer. Mr. Coccini founded AC Propulsion just over a decade ago after having worked for General Motors as a founding engineer on the company's Saturn EV1 electric car project. Mr. Cocconi said he decided to go out on his own after G.M. decided to build the car. I didn't want to be a part of the big G.M. machine, he said. About a month afterward, I thought about upgraded chargers and what techniques were possible and I started AC Propulsion. With that, he ripped the engine and transmission out of a Honda CRX, and set to work devising his own drive system. Today, 160,000 miles later, he said, that Honda is still humming. Mr. Gage met Mr. Cocconi while working as an automotive industry consultant on electric vehicles in the early 90's. When I interviewed Alan, Mr. Gage said, it became obvious that not only did he clearly know what he was talking about, but he was doing something about it. I drove a prototype of his and was blown away. A year later, he said, the consulting work dried up and he joined AC Propulsion. The company's early days coincided with California's Zero
[biofuel] WVO burners...
Hi, Im new to this list, and interested in WVO burners. I have strated to collect WVO from a restaurant, and would like to build a babington style burner. Anyone with experiences willing to share? Mike JAMAICA Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Remanufactured Ink Cartridges Refill Kits at MyInks.com for: HP $8-20. Epson $3-9, Canon $5-15, Lexmark $4-17. Free s/h over $50 (US Canada). http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=6351 http://us.click.yahoo.com/0zJuRD/6CvGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] What Is Synthetic Oil Made Of?
john koning wrote: In response to your question on synthetic oil, check out this web site called The motor oil Bible Cost about $10.00 to down load but will answer all your questions True synthetics base stock is made of PAO's (Polyalphaolefins) there are other base stocks, some of the advise you were given by other people are true, but to make a educated choice read this book. Fryerman2000. P.S Amsoil is a good product have used it for twenty years check out there web site also. I did some reading awhile back and have a few links some might find interesting but first to add to John's reply this site mentioned -- Snake Oil! Is That Additive Really A Negative? Article by Fred Rau ROAD RIDER/August 1992 Pg 15 http://web.archive.org/web/20010405130858/http://www.geocities.com/chrislonghurst/snakeoil.html Synthetic oils were originally developed for use in gas turbine engines. In most cases they are capable of maintaining their viscosity for longer periods of use and under much greater temperatures and pressures than petroleum products. Commons synthetics used for engine lubrication today are Polyalphaolefin (like Mobil 1) or Dibasic Organic Esters (like AMSOIL). They are fully compatible with conventional oils and can be mixed, providing their ratings match. Engine Oils and what you need to know http://www.chris-longhurst.com/carbibles/engineoil_bible.html Pure synthetic oils (polyalkyleneglycol) are the types used almost exclusively within the industrial sector in polyglycol gearbox oils for heavily loaded gearboxes. These are typically concocted by intelligent blokes in white lab coats. These chaps break apart the molecules that make up a variety of substances, like vegetable and animal oils, and then recombine the individual atoms that make up those molecules to build new, synthetic molecules. This process allows the chemists to actually fine tune the molecules as they build them. Clever stuff. But Polyglycols don't mix with normal mineral oils. While we're on synthetic oils, I should mention Amsoil. I originally had them down as an additive. I was wrong. I've got to say I've had no experience of the product myself so I can't vent my spleen about it. However, there is a particularly good page with a ton of info about it here. http://www.searchforparts.com/important_articles/amsoil_testing_with_taxi_cabs.html I recommend you pop over and read this and see what you think. I've been contacted by Amsoil themselves and asked to point out the following: Amsoil do NOT produce or market oil additives and do not wish to be associated with oil additives. They are a formulator of synthetic lubricants for automotive and industrial applications and have been in business for 30+ years. They are not a half-hour infomercial or fly-by-night product, nor have they ever been involved in a legal suit regarding their product claims in that 30+ year span. Many Amsoil products are API certified, and ALL of our products meet and in most cases exceed the specifications of ILSAC, AGMA etc. Their lubricants also exceed manufacturers specifications and Amsoil are on many manufacturers approval lists. They base their claims on ASTM certified tests and are very open to anyone, with nothing to hide. It turns out that Amsoil actually have the stance that they recommend engine oil additives are NOT to be used with their products. This will become relevant later on this page, and in the additives section. They have a pretty good FAQ on the Amsoil website, which you can find here. http://www.amsoil.com/frequent.htm More Than You Ever Wanted to Know About Motor Oil by Ed Hackett http://web.archive.org/web/20020601134519/http://rconcepts.com/beard/dragnet/drag/oilinfo.html Making Sense of Synthetic Lubricants By: Don Stevens http://web.archive.org/web/20010204094200/http://www.seansa4page.com/resource/synth.html In becoming an Amsoil Synthetic Lubricants dealer in 1998 I have done And a summation including a couple of the sites above -- Wild Rose Miata Club Edmonton, Alberta, Canada http://www.telusplanet.net/public/rbhutson/miata/arc_2001/musings_v7-02.htm ~ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Remanufactured Ink Cartridges Refill Kits at MyInks.com for: HP $8-20. Epson $3-9, Canon $5-15, Lexmark $4-17. Free s/h over $50 (US Canada). http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=6351 http://us.click.yahoo.com/0zJuRD/6CvGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email
[biofuel] Fwd: Re: What Is Synthetic Oil Made Of?
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 22:09:53 - From: nortonvillars [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: What Is Synthetic Oil Made Of? Synthetic oils (Group IV and V) are made from ethane, propane, butane and other gases-liquids from petroleum processing or hydrocarbon processing. The single bond alkanes are cracked (alkenes and some alkynes) so they have double bonds (called olefins). These are combined or polymerized (more correctly oligermerized) to form polyolefins. Same as the polyethylene in your garbage bags. The carbon 8-14 are oil like, hence synthetic oils. They are stable to high temp. But they do not accept additives well so they are blended with mineral oils and esters to assist addtive packages. Yes, they can be aggressive on old engine seals and sludges. For older cars, best to not run them. They are too costly. Use cheap minerals oils. Some canola is being examined for additives to replace or run with mineral-synthetics. Of course, veg oils form an important part of biofuels. Hope this helps. --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My new 1984 Mercedes 300DT is going to need an oil change right away. Naturally I would like to consider using a non-petroleum-based oil. What are synthetic oils made of? Snips and snails and puppy-dog tails? Sugar and spice and all things nice? In other words, are any/some/all synthetic oils non-petroleum? Are any particular brands better than others? If I use synthetic oil (which I believe is much more expensive) should I Get Real about one of those bypass filtering systems that were recently discussed? Thank you. Maud Trying to do the right thing in St. Louis, MO Mainly made of polyol ester, but I don't know what polyol ester is. :-/ I gave you these last time you asked about synthetic oil, did you check them? Informative article about synthetic oils here: http://www.mr2.com/TEXT/synth_oil.txt Synthetic Oil: Rx for Long Engine Life by Curt Scott It's quite long, there's something shorter here: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?view=25512list=BIOFUEL ... and some discussion here: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php? view=25512list=biofuelrelated=1 There's also this: ARS and Industry Test New Vegetable Oils as Industrial Lubricants ___ ARS News Service Agricultural Research Service, USDA March 26, 2001 Linda McGraw, (309) 681-6530, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Several newly developed vegetable oils--from soybeans, canola, corn, sunflower, lesquerella, and meadowfoam--could replace more expensive and less biodegradable synthetic chemicals for industrial uses, according to an ARS chemist in Peoria, Ill. Researchers at ARS' National Center for Agricultural Utilization Research (NCAUR) in Peoria have developed and tested more than 50 new fluids derived from vegetable oils. They have also turned these vegetable-oil based fluids into replacements for petroleum-based materials. Under a research agreement with Caterpillar Inc., in Peoria, the ARS scientists are learning which of their 50 plus new fluids have the most potential as base oils for lubricants. So far, two have been found to perform as well as petroleum-based lubricants, according to Sevim Z. Erhan, leader of oil chemical research at NCAUR. The payoff: U.S. agriculture benefits by increasing the demand for U.S.-grown agricultural products. Environmental concerns have created a high demand for biodegradable lubricants and hydraulic fluids, but only two percent of the hydraulic fluids in bulldozers, tractors and heavy equipment is biodegradable. The ARS approach might help make the use of biodegradable lubricants more successful. Rather than develop a final lubricant for a specific use, Erhan and her colleagues make simple chemical modifications to vegetable oils and test them for improvements before adding lubricating additives. These modifications enable a biodegradable product to perform nearly as well as a synthetic one, but at lower cost. Biodegradable vegetable base oils cost about 35 cents a pound. In contrast, lubricant manufacturers face costs ranging from 25 cents for a base of mineral oil to $1.50 a pound for a base of synthetic esters. Caterpillar engineers are testing the performance of one of the ARS-developed base oils. ARS is the chief scientific research agency for the USDA. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Remanufactured Ink Cartridges Refill Kits at MyInks.com for: HP $8-20. Epson $3-9, Canon $5-15, Lexmark $4-17. Free s/h over $50 (US Canada). http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=6351 http://us.click.yahoo.com/0zJuRD/6CvGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
Re: [biofuel] Never read a bigger pile of horse manure in my life...
Some of the talk reminds me of a poster I'd seen from -- The Fair and Balanced Peace Pretzel http://protest.bmgbiz.net Bush vs Bush 874K jpg http://protest.bmgbiz.net/bushvsbush.html The caption reads -- Candidate G.W.BUSH If we're an arrogant nation, they'll resent us. If we're a humble nation but strong, they'll welcome us. http://abcnews.go.com/sections/politics/DailyNews/debate001011_trans_2.html PRESIDENT G.W.BUSH I don't give a $#!+ what the europeans think. http://www.upi.com/print.cfm?StoryID=20020831-050413-1666r Candidate G.W.BUSH one way for us to be viewed as the ugly american is for us to go around the world saying we do it this way, so should you. http://www.pbs.org/now/transcript/transcript_stewart.html PRESIDENT G.W.BUSH We will be changing the regime of Iraq for the good of the Iraqi people. http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/03/07/ip.pol.opinion.bush.speech/ Candidate G.W.BUSH Let me say this. I wouldn't use force... http://abcnews.go.com/sections/politics/DailyNews/debate001003_trans_4.html PRESIDENT G.W.BUSH Fuc_ Saddam... We're taking him out! http://www.counterpunch.org/madsen03312003.html I didn't get the man I voted for. Did you ? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Remanufactured Ink Cartridges Refill Kits at MyInks.com for: HP $8-20. Epson $3-9, Canon $5-15, Lexmark $4-17. Free s/h over $50 (US Canada). http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=6351 http://us.click.yahoo.com/0zJuRD/6CvGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] GWB - All hat and no cattle
The only hope Bush gives me, is hoping my vote gets counted. http://www.allhatnocattle.net/9-16-03-bush_low_employment.htm Tuesday, September 16, 2003 Bush: All hat and no cattle By MAUREEN DOWD SYNDICATED COLUMNIST http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/139705_dowd16.html WASHINGTON -- This is how bad things are for George W. Bush: He's back in a dead heat with Al Gore. (And this is how bad things are for Al Gore: He's back in a dead heat with George W. Bush.) One terrorist attack, two wars, three tax cuts, four months of guerrilla mayhem in Iraq, five silly colors on a terror alert chart, nine nattering Democratic candidates, 10 Iraqi cops killed by Americans, $87 billion in Pentagon illusions, a gazillion boastful Osama tapes, zero Saddam and zilch WMD have left America split evenly between the president and the former vice president. More than two and a half years after the 2000 election, and we are back where we started, marveled John Zogby, who conducted the poll. It's plus ca change all over again. We are learning once more, as we did on 9/11, that all the fantastic technology in the world will not save us. The undigitalized human will is able to frustrate our most elaborate schemes and lofty policies. What unleashed Shock and Awe and the most extravagant display of U.S. military prowess ever was a bunch of theologically deranged Arabs with box cutters. The Bush administration thought it could use scientific superiority to impose its will on alien tribal cultures. But we're spending hundreds of billions subduing two backward countries without subduing them. After the president celebrated victory in our high-tech war in Iraq, our enemies came back to rattle us with a diabolically ingenious low-tech war, a homemade bomb in a truck obliterating the U.N. offices, and improvised explosive devices hidden in soda cans, plastic bags and dead animals blowing up our soldiers. Afghanistan has mirror chaos, with reconstruction sabotaged by Taliban assaults on U.S. forces, the Afghan police and aid workers. The Pentagon blithely says that we have 56,000 Iraqi police and security officers and that we will soon have more. But it may be hard to keep and recruit Iraqi cops; the job pays OK, but it might end very suddenly, given the rate at which Americans and guerrillas are mowing them down. This shows the Americans are completely out of control, 1st Lt. Mazen Hamid, an Iraqi policeman, said Friday after angry demonstrators gathered in Falluja to demand the victims' bodies. Secretary Pangloss at Defense and Wolfie the Naif are terminally enchanted by their own descriptions of the world. They know how to use their minds, but it's not clear they know how to use their eyes. They are like people in Plato's cave, observed one military analyst. They've been staring at the shadows on the wall for so long, they think they're forms. Our high-tech impotence is making our low-tech colony sullen. It's 125 degrees there and they have no electricity and no water and it doesn't make for a very happy population, said Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., who recently toured Iraq. We're in a race to provide the services and security for people so the Iraqis will support us rather than turn against us. It's up for grabs. McCain says that the bad guys are reminding Iraqis that the United States propped up Saddam Hussein in the '80s, sided with Iraq in the Iraq-Iran war, told the people in Basra in '91 we'd help them get rid of Saddam and didn't, and put economic sanctions on them in the '90s. He says we have to woo them, even though we are pouring $87 billion -- double the amount designated for homeland security -- into the Iraqi infrastructure when our own electrical grid, and port and airport security, need upgrading. If anyone thinks the French and Germans are going to help us readily and rapidly, he says, they're smoking something very strong. Mocking all our high-priced, know-nothing intelligence, Osama is back in the studio making his rock videos. The cadaverous caveman has gone more primitive to avoid electronic detection, operating via notes passed by couriers. We haven't forgotten all Bush's bullhorn, dead-or-alive pledges. But he's like a kid singing with fingers in his ears, avoiding mentioning Saddam or bin Laden, or pressing the Pakistanis who must be protecting Osama up in no man's land and letting the Taliban reconstitute (even though we bribed Pakistan with a billion in aid). He doesn't dwell on nailing Saddam either. His gunsmoke has gone up in smoke. Maureen Dowd is a columnist with The New York Times. Bush starting to question advice from some top aides By John Walcott Knight Ridder Newspapers Sep. 18, 2003 http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/6806674.htm WASHINGTON - Faced with rising costs, sinking polls, unsympathetic allies, an
Re: [biofuel] WVO burners...
Hi, Im new to this list, and interested in WVO burners. I have strated to collect WVO from a restaurant, and would like to build a babington style burner. Anyone with experiences willing to share? Mike JAMAICA Hello Mike, welcome You don't say what you want to use it for. The Babington gives you a hot flame you can use for heating whatever you want heated, if you can ever get the thing to work properly. This one: MOTHER's Waste Oil Heater http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_motherearth/me4.html ... is for space heating, like a furnace (very useful for those frozen winters you get in Jamaica!). This one: http://ww2.green-trust.org:8383/2000/biofuel/turk/ Turk Burner ... also give you a hot flame, like the Babington, but this is what John Archibald (Babington guru) says about it at that site: I think this is what you might call a Turbo Mother Earth News Burner. The oil in the pan is supposed to be fed by a simple tube and valve set up. He just used free standing oil in his crude experiments. No valves yet incorporated. The simplicity of the design is what makes it worth while. And for some folks it beats the pants off the Babington burner. People do seem to tinker a lot with their Babingtons, I get the impression it needs more work (could be wrong of course). Some biodiesellers are now using something like the Turk burner to burn the biodiesel by-product to heat the biodiesel process. This works well, though from what I've seen they're a bit different from Dale Turk's version. It's a very adaptible idea. We've built one that's quite a lot different, a sort of mixture of the Turk and an IDD woodstove I designed a while back: http://journeytoforever.org/teststove.html It burns biodiesel by-product, or separated FFA, or separated glycerine, or WVO, or biodiesel, powered by a small electric blower, like the Turk, and it works very well. Doesn't use much fuel either. Just rigging a constant-level fuel supply for it using the tank and reservoir from a wrecked kero burner. Cost will be zero - which would be another advantage over the Babington: people seem to pay a lot of money for brass balls and getting them micro-drilled. Best Keith Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Remanufactured Ink Cartridges Refill Kits at MyInks.com for: HP $8-20. Epson $3-9, Canon $5-15, Lexmark $4-17. Free s/h over $50 (US Canada). http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=6351 http://us.click.yahoo.com/0zJuRD/6CvGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Fwd: Confusion, ignorance about biotech food
FYI From: News Update from The Campaign [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Shocking survey results from the Pew Initiative Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 04:51:17 -0500 News Update From The Campaign to Label Genetically Engineered Foods -- Dear News Update Subscribers, The Pew Initiative on Food and Biotechnology has released the results of a new survey on public sentiments about genetically engineered foods. Although the Pew Initiative seems to downplay the significance of the results, they are really quite shocking. Americans are clearly not aware of the extent genetically engineered foods have invaded the U.S. food supply. Only 24% of Americans believe they have eaten genetically engineered foods, while 58% say they have not. Actually, nearly all Americans have eaten genetically engineered foods since 70-75% of all processed foods contain soy or corn that has been genetically engineered. Further, Americans appear to be unaware that the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) is not safety testing genetically engineered foods. According to the Pew Initiative survey, eighty-nine percent (89%) of Americans agree with the statement Companies should be required to submit safety data to the Food and Drug Administration for review, and no genetically modified food product should be allowed on the market until the FDA determines it is safe. In reality, under the current regulations, biotech companies are not even required to notify the FDA they are bringing a new product to market. The very companies with the financial interest in the products are the ones determining the safety. Not only is the FDA not safety-testing these products, the agency has determined they don't even need to be notified that a new genetically engineered food is going to be consumed by millions of people. Most Americans would probably be quite upset if they really understood how irresponsible the FDA has been when it comes to protecting the public from the possible dangers associated with genetically engineered foods. One of The Campaign's primary goals in our effort to pass the Genetically Engineered Food Right to Know Act into law will be to get hearings in the U.S. Congress by the committees that oversee the FDA. We intend to shine a bright light on the potential dangers posed to the American public from the lack of oversight by the FDA on genetically engineered foods. In October, we will issue an ACTION ALERT that will begin a major push for these congressional committee oversight hearings. Posted below are three articles. The first is a press release from the Pew Initiative on Food and Biotechnology about the new survey. The second article is from USA Today titled Americans are iffy on genetically modified foods. The third article is from the Sacramento Bee titled Confusion, ignorance about biotech food. If you would like to read the entire survey, here is a link to a PDF version: http://www.thecampaign.org/pew0903.pdf Craig Winters Executive Director The Campaign to Label Genetically Engineered Foods The Campaign PO Box 55699 Seattle, WA 98155 Tel: 425-771-4049 Fax: 603-825-5841 E-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: http://www.thecampaign.org Mission Statement: To create a national grassroots consumer campaign for the purpose of lobbying Congress and the President to pass legislation that will require the labeling of genetically engineered foods in the United States. *** For Immediate Release: September 18, 2003 Contact: Kimberly Brooks or Dan DiFonzo 202-347-9044 ext. 230 or 231 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Americans' Knowledge of Genetically Modified Foods Remains Low and Opinions On Safety Still Split New Poll Confirms Findings of Two Years Ago, But Reveals FDA Key to Acceptance; Discomfort with Shift from Plants To Animals Apparent Washington, DC - Americans' knowledge of genetically modified (GM) foods remains low and their opinions about its safety are just as divided as they were two years ago, according to a new survey released today by the Pew Initiative on Food and Biotechnology. The survey also shows that knowing FDA reviewed and approved a GM product can increase public confidence and that public support for GM products decreases as uses of the technology shift from plants to animals. Using data from a similar survey released by the Pew Initiative in March 2001 for tracking purposes, the survey released today suggests: * Americans' knowledge about GM foods remains low - even as GM technology is increasingly applied to agriculture. In 2001, 44% had heard a great deal or some about genetically modified foods; today, that number is 34%, a 10 point decline. Similarly, 45% had heard a great deal or some about biotechnology use in food production; today, that number is 36%, a nine point decline. Although it has been estimated that 70-75% of processed foods in grocery stores
Re: [biofuel] WVO burners...
Thanks Keith, I must say I am honored to hear from you, as I have always been a silent admirer of your work. I have been amazed at what you have done, and moreso I find your site interesting as I used to live and work that side of the world too. I would like to use the waste oil from a sucessful fish fry restaurant for heating some bungalows water as well as to provide heat for waste incineration, and for heating water to pasteurise substrate for mushroom growing, herb drying, and also I am thinking along the lines of wastewater reduction, or even saltwater destillation for a barren area I work in... I can get about 10 gallons of oil every 2 weeks... which I think is a lot from just one site. This is my first attempt at this. I am truly inspired by your website and your devotion to it. I would rank it as one of the most informative and easy to browse sites I have ever been to! I will let you know of my progress. Is your impressions about Babington simply a feeling, as you imply, or is it based on some experiences you heard of?? Please let me know I am willing to try the Turk burner... I was thinking of casting some pipes into a 45 gallon drum along the sides with pipes in the refrac. concrete, to use a primitive boiler. Any further ideas? Sincerely.. Mike Barnett JAMAICA. - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 6:06 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] WVO burners... Hi, Im new to this list, and interested in WVO burners. I have strated to collect WVO from a restaurant, and would like to build a babington style burner. Anyone with experiences willing to share? Mike JAMAICA Hello Mike, welcome You don't say what you want to use it for. The Babington gives you a hot flame you can use for heating whatever you want heated, if you can ever get the thing to work properly. This one: MOTHER's Waste Oil Heater http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_motherearth/me4.html ... is for space heating, like a furnace (very useful for those frozen winters you get in Jamaica!). This one: http://ww2.green-trust.org:8383/2000/biofuel/turk/ Turk Burner ... also give you a hot flame, like the Babington, but this is what John Archibald (Babington guru) says about it at that site: I think this is what you might call a Turbo Mother Earth News Burner. The oil in the pan is supposed to be fed by a simple tube and valve set up. He just used free standing oil in his crude experiments. No valves yet incorporated. The simplicity of the design is what makes it worth while. And for some folks it beats the pants off the Babington burner. People do seem to tinker a lot with their Babingtons, I get the impression it needs more work (could be wrong of course). Some biodiesellers are now using something like the Turk burner to burn the biodiesel by-product to heat the biodiesel process. This works well, though from what I've seen they're a bit different from Dale Turk's version. It's a very adaptible idea. We've built one that's quite a lot different, a sort of mixture of the Turk and an IDD woodstove I designed a while back: http://journeytoforever.org/teststove.html It burns biodiesel by-product, or separated FFA, or separated glycerine, or WVO, or biodiesel, powered by a small electric blower, like the Turk, and it works very well. Doesn't use much fuel either. Just rigging a constant-level fuel supply for it using the tank and reservoir from a wrecked kero burner. Cost will be zero - which would be another advantage over the Babington: people seem to pay a lot of money for brass balls and getting them micro-drilled. Best Keith Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Remanufactured Ink Cartridges Refill Kits at MyInks.com for: HP $8-20. Epson $3-9, Canon $5-15, Lexmark $4-17. Free s/h over $50 (US Canada). http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=6351 http://us.click.yahoo.com/0zJuRD/6CvGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] suitability of fuel injection sytems for biofuel?
Hello All I am looking for a an early 90's diesel volkswagon to run biofuel in and am finding that most models for sale have turbo fuel injected motors (TDI). Does anyone have any info on the compatability of such engine systems with biofuel (the injectors clog for example)? Is there any difference between older (pre TDI) and later injection systems. thanks Mike Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Remanufactured Ink Cartridges Refill Kits at MyInks.com for: HP $8-20. Epson $3-9, Canon $5-15, Lexmark $4-17. Free s/h over $50 (US Canada). http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=6351 http://us.click.yahoo.com/0zJuRD/6CvGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] OT: (fwd) New York Times T-Zero Article Today
In reference to our recent discussions of Electrics and Hybrids and trailers and what-not. NEW YORK TIMES Friday, September 19, 2003 Lots of Zoom, With Batteries By CHRIS DIXON O.K., you hit this button, says Alan Cocconi, pointing to a control on a little G-force meter attached to his dashboard. Then hold down the brake really hard. Push on it with all your might. When it says `Go,' let off the brake and hold on. With that he steps out of the car. A flat, straight half-mile of asphalt is dead ahead; alongside stretches the runway of Brackett Field Airport east of Los Angeles. With the throttle and brake pedals fully pressed, the bright yellow sports car shudders with power ÷ but rather than the roar of a caged Lamborghini, the only sound is a muffled whine. Though the whine becomes only marginally louder when the brakes are released, everything else changes as the car lunges forward in a jaw-dropping, stomach-clenching and near-terrifying blur. In 3.7 seconds, it's all over. That's the time it has taken for this little electric sports car, the Tzero by AC Propulsion, to reach 60 miles per hour. And its only power is from a simple array of lithium-ion laptop computer batteries. Few street-legal automobiles are capable of running to 60 m.p.h. in under four seconds, and it's a safe bet that the Tzero is the only electric-powered car that can. The founders of AC Propulsion, based in San Dimas in the suburbs east of Los Angeles, seem to think that the lithium-ion batteries have led them to the holy grail of electric motoring: range and performance in one package. This is, however, after the major automakers have cast aside ideas of all-electric vehicles and turned their attention to hybrids and fuel cells. Thunderously fast but whisper quiet, the rear-wheel-drive Tzero began life in the late 1990's as a showcase for AC Propulsion's high-revving AC 150 drive system. A 220-horsepower street-legal racer, the car was powered by a series of deep-cycle automotive lead acid batteries. With 1,250 pounds of batteries on board, the original car was good for 4.1-second zero-to-60 times with a top speed of 90 m.p.h. and a range of 80 to 90 miles. Last month, however, AC Propulsion unveiled the latest version of the car, now powered by 6,800 lightweight lithium-ion laptop computer batteries. With these batteries ÷ and an increased top speed ÷ the Tzero weighs 700 pounds less and the company says it will run up to 300 miles on a single charge ÷ which requires a few hours plugged into a 220-volt outlet like the ones many households have for clothes dryers. It can also be recharged at a 110-volt outlet, but it takes about three times as long. The car, priced at $220,000, is available only directly from AC Propulsion and has not yet met federal safety regulations. The company says, though, that it is legal for street use when registered as a special construction vehicle, which is the way homemade and kit-built cars are registered. The Tzero at the speedway had a California license plate and had been driven to the track. So far, the company said, deposits have been made for eight cars with the lithium-ion system. (Two earlier versions, with lead acid batteries, were sold for private use.) What will a Tzero buyer get? A car that, from zero to 100 and through the quarter mile, will run with, or beat, the $281,000 Lamborghini Murcilago, the $224,000 Ferrari 575M Maranello or the $440,000 Porsche Carrera GT. And do it cleanly and quietly. However, with the single-gear Tzero's engine limited to just over 100 m.p.h. at 13,300 r.p.m.'s, it will never win an oval-track race against those supercars. But its developers are betting that the car's power and range will generate renewed interest not only in their company's offerings, but in electric cars in general. The Tzero is the brainchild of Mr. Cocconi, an engineer, and Tom Gage, a former race car driver and an engineer. Mr. Coccini founded AC Propulsion just over a decade ago after having worked for General Motors as a founding engineer on the company's Saturn EV1 electric car project. Mr. Cocconi said he decided to go out on his own after G.M. decided to build the car. I didn't want to be a part of the big G.M. machine, he said. About a month afterward, I thought about upgraded chargers and what techniques were possible and I started AC Propulsion. With that, he ripped the engine and transmission out of a Honda CRX, and set to work devising his own drive system. Today, 160,000 miles later, he said, that Honda is still humming. Mr. Gage met Mr. Cocconi while working as an automotive industry consultant on electric vehicles in the early 90's. When I interviewed Alan, Mr. Gage said, it became obvious that not only did he clearly know what he was talking about, but he was doing something about it. I drove a prototype of his and was blown away. A year later, he said, the consulting work dried up and he joined AC Propulsion. The company's early days coincided with California's Zero
Re: [biofuel] phosphoric acid in Foolproof method
simonswb6 wrote: In Aleks Foolproof method, step 18 recommends using %25 of the total glycerine and mix with 10% phosphoric acid. Can you use other types of acids for this? how about citric or sulfuric? i have seen these mentioned when doing the bubble wash? Should you use the same acid when doing the bubble wash as what was used in step 18? step 18 *** 18. For easier washing: Drain off the glycerine. Measure off 25% of the total glycerine (including previously drained glycerine if you followed step 15) and mix with 10 milliliters of 10% phosphoric acid (H3PO4) for each litre of oil/fat processed. The mixing can be done with a wooden spoon in a plastic container. Pour the acidified glycerine back into the reactor and stir for 20 minutes, unheated. Allow to settle for at least six hours and then drain the glycerine fraction completely. Both Step 15 and Step 18 are optional, not essential. You could try it without those steps first, if you have problems then include them. Aleks advises: A 10% citric solution should be fine, but avoid sulphuric acid, as it is too dissociated. You could also use HCl, also in a 10% solution. I'd stick with the same acid in the bubblewash, but note that there's controversy over using any acid in the wash. See: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_bubblewash.html Bubble washing - Washing problems - Using acid There are several pages there on washing, all linked from this one above, I suggest you give them a thorough read and then make up your mind. Note also that you don't have to wash biodiesel made by the Foolproof method any special way. That's how Aleks does it, and that's fine, but once it's settled and the by-product (glycerine) layer at the bottom removed, biodiesel is biodiesel and washing it is washing it, no matter what process you used. So you can decide for yourself what's best for you. Best Keith Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Remanufactured Ink Cartridges Refill Kits at MyInks.com for: HP $8-20. Epson $3-9, Canon $5-15, Lexmark $4-17. Free s/h over $50 (US Canada). http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=6351 http://us.click.yahoo.com/0zJuRD/6CvGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] WVO burners...
Hi Mike, Reading your posting, I cannot avoid making a few reflections. 20 gallons of WVO per month is far to valuable to use it for heating of water in Jamaica, you do have the perfect location for using solar panels for that. For the hot water to bungalows, salt water distillation, etc., solar panels must be the most economical alternative. Vehicle fuel and waste incineration (do use the heat for pasteurise), is the best for the WVO. At such a location, always preheat with the sun which directly give you more than 80% of what you need and to an unbeatable cost. This way, your 20 gallons will go a long way. Hakan At 05:24 PM 9/19/2003, you wrote: Thanks Keith, I must say I am honored to hear from you, as I have always been a silent admirer of your work. I have been amazed at what you have done, and moreso I find your site interesting as I used to live and work that side of the world too. I would like to use the waste oil from a sucessful fish fry restaurant for heating some bungalows water as well as to provide heat for waste incineration, and for heating water to pasteurise substrate for mushroom growing, herb drying, and also I am thinking along the lines of wastewater reduction, or even saltwater destillation for a barren area I work in... I can get about 10 gallons of oil every 2 weeks... which I think is a lot from just one site. This is my first attempt at this. I am truly inspired by your website and your devotion to it. I would rank it as one of the most informative and easy to browse sites I have ever been to! I will let you know of my progress. Is your impressions about Babington simply a feeling, as you imply, or is it based on some experiences you heard of?? Please let me know I am willing to try the Turk burner... I was thinking of casting some pipes into a 45 gallon drum along the sides with pipes in the refrac. concrete, to use a primitive boiler. Any further ideas? Sincerely.. Mike Barnett JAMAICA. - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 6:06 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] WVO burners... Hi, Im new to this list, and interested in WVO burners. I have strated to collect WVO from a restaurant, and would like to build a babington style burner. Anyone with experiences willing to share? Mike JAMAICA Hello Mike, welcome You don't say what you want to use it for. The Babington gives you a hot flame you can use for heating whatever you want heated, if you can ever get the thing to work properly. This one: MOTHER's Waste Oil Heater http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_motherearth/me4.htmlhttp://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_motherearth/me4.html ... is for space heating, like a furnace (very useful for those frozen winters you get in Jamaica!). This one: http://ww2.green-trust.org:8383/2000/biofuel/turk/http://ww2.green-trust.org:8383/2000/biofuel/turk/ Turk Burner ... also give you a hot flame, like the Babington, but this is what John Archibald (Babington guru) says about it at that site: I think this is what you might call a Turbo Mother Earth News Burner. The oil in the pan is supposed to be fed by a simple tube and valve set up. He just used free standing oil in his crude experiments. No valves yet incorporated. The simplicity of the design is what makes it worth while. And for some folks it beats the pants off the Babington burner. People do seem to tinker a lot with their Babingtons, I get the impression it needs more work (could be wrong of course). Some biodiesellers are now using something like the Turk burner to burn the biodiesel by-product to heat the biodiesel process. This works well, though from what I've seen they're a bit different from Dale Turk's version. It's a very adaptible idea. We've built one that's quite a lot different, a sort of mixture of the Turk and an IDD woodstove I designed a while back: http://journeytoforever.org/teststove.htmlhttp://journeytoforever.org/teststove.html It burns biodiesel by-product, or separated FFA, or separated glycerine, or WVO, or biodiesel, powered by a small electric blower, like the Turk, and it works very well. Doesn't use much fuel either. Just rigging a constant-level fuel supply for it using the tank and reservoir from a wrecked kero burner. Cost will be zero - which would be another advantage over the Babington: people seem to pay a lot of money for brass balls and getting them micro-drilled. Best Keith Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Remanufactured Ink Cartridges Refill Kits at MyInks.com for: HP $8-20. Epson $3-9, Canon $5-15, Lexmark $4-17. Free s/h over $50 (US Canada). http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=6351 http://us.click.yahoo.com/0zJuRD/6CvGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM
[biofuel] Re: phosphoric acid in Foolproof method
I have to say I'm starting to change my mind about acid in the wash, but I think it has to be used a bit more scientifically than just 'adding some' which is how homebrewers seem to use it. Ive messed up a batch while experimenting that way not too long ago, overdid it on the HCL and a serious mess happened (it looked like emulsion and it had a high acid number on a titration (1.5) which wouldn't wash out. I eventually washed the hell out of it, and diluted it with a very high percentage of good fuel before using). So I still don't recommend acidulating as a matter of course, unless you know what you're doing. It can be done right if you do a titration for soap/catalyst first to find out how much acid to use (that HCL/ bromophenol blue indicator titration that Juan described a week or so ago). Industry does it, but they also don't make particularly soapy biodiesel in the first place (because of using new oil or using acid-base ffa pretreatment), so the amount of ffa that is released when they acidulate isn't as large as it could be in a really problematic batch made by one of us... I want to make a comment on acid-base biodiesel, though- the one thing about it is that is different than singlestage biodiesel, is that you absolutely, positively must wash it. Think what you want about washing in general but for this method it's not an option not to wash. Fuel made with acid pretreatment contains water-soluble sodium sulfate formed by the neutralising of the sulfuric acid by some of the catalyst, and until you wash that stuff out, it's sulfur in your tailpipe emissions. For those wondering about how much of a danger it is that some sulfur might be left (I hear this question all the time)- well, the commercial guys who make fuel this way, pass the ASTM test for sulfur, and for various reasons they don't wash their fuel quite as thoroughly as homebrewers, so I assume it must wash out quite well. Note also that you don't have to wash biodiesel made by the Foolproof method any special way. That's how Aleks does it, and that's fine, but once it's settled and the by-product (glycerine) layer at the bottom removed, biodiesel is biodiesel and washing it is washing it, no matter what process you used. So you can decide for yourself what's best fo Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Remanufactured Ink Cartridges Refill Kits at MyInks.com for: HP $8-20. Epson $3-9, Canon $5-15, Lexmark $4-17. Free s/h over $50 (US Canada). http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=6351 http://us.click.yahoo.com/0zJuRD/6CvGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Jatropha Oil as renewable fuel for road transport?
Dear all, I'm doing a self study on the viability of using Jatropha Oil for road transport in Tanzania. Please, I would like to know the economic viability and technical issues to use Jatropha Oil for road transport. Cheers Bukaza Chachage == Download ringtones, logos and picture messages at Ananzi Mobile Fun. http://www.ananzi.co.za/cgi-bin/goto.pl?mobile Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Remanufactured Ink Cartridges Refill Kits at MyInks.com for: HP $8-20. Epson $3-9, Canon $5-15, Lexmark $4-17. Free s/h over $50 (US Canada). http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=6351 http://us.click.yahoo.com/0zJuRD/6CvGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] WVO burners...
Hi Mike Thanks Keith, I must say I am honored to hear from you, as I have always been a silent admirer of your work. Mike, thankyou, really - as for my work, it's great of you to say so, much appreciated, but an honour, not at all, nothing special, mumble mumble... I have been amazed at what you have done, and moreso I find your site interesting as I used to live and work that side of the world too. Oh? Where? You also get about, eh? American spelling - are you an American? I would like to use the waste oil from a sucessful fish fry restaurant for heating some bungalows water as well as to provide heat for waste incineration, and for heating water to pasteurise substrate for mushroom growing, herb drying, and also I am thinking along the lines of wastewater reduction, or even saltwater destillation for a barren area I work in... Something comes to mind concerning someone reforesting a barren, dry area who rigged a small and simple solar still for each sapling. Solar stills are worth thinking of anyway. I can get about 10 gallons of oil every 2 weeks... which I think is a lot from just one site. This is my first attempt at this. I am truly inspired by your website and your devotion to it. I would rank it as one of the most informative and easy to browse sites I have ever been to! Wow! Thanks again! Just as long as it's useful. I will let you know of my progress. Yes please, let us all know. Is your impressions about Babington simply a feeling, as you imply, or is it based on some experiences you heard of?? Heard of, but not personal hands-on. I sort of follow the discussions on a couple of the alt.enery lists, and that's the impression I get. As I said, I could be wrong, maybe there's lots of folks using them with success, but I don't get that impression. The ball and the holes seem to be tricky, and also it uses both a pump and a compressor, which seems a bit excessive. Please let me know I am willing to try the Turk burner... I was thinking of casting some pipes into a 45 gallon drum along the sides with pipes in the refrac. concrete, to use a primitive boiler. Sounds good. Any further ideas? It's autumn now, and in a couple of months it'll be really cold up here in the mountains, especially in this drafty and ill-maintained old wood-and-paper house - the cold goes straight through it. And through us while it's at it. We really suffered when we arrived here last January (it was minus 10 C that night). I'll soon be building a couple of Mother Earth News waste oil burners, running off WVO (we have plenty of that!), and then I'll figure how to heat water with them, for a hot water supply and also for radiators. That burner seems to put out plenty of heat by all accounts, should be able to use it for heating water. (But a full-sized MEN burner uses about 6 gal a day, maybe too much for you.) Have to learn quite a bit more about plumbing I suspect... We've picked up lots of copper piping from junked aircons. We also have some defunct but useable water heater tanks, double-walled SS things of various types, with a firebox inside and also kero burners which sort of airblast a spray of burning kero out of a nozzle. I don't think much of those burners, but they're widely used here. We also have a more or less endless supply of offcut wood, and shavings which we mix with biodiesel by-product and cram it into 1-litre milk cartons. They burn really hot - three of them will heat an 80-litre bathtub to 60 deg C-plus in 40 minutes. They'd work well in those double-walled water heaters. So would the wood, and so would a Turk burner I think. Then there's a constant 60+ deg C heat supply from two one-cubic-metre compost piles (in series), and we want to build a biogas digester soon, so we should have some methane too. And there's the Turk-type burner, which sure produces heat and seems to be quite economical. Of all these, though, it's the MEN burner that would be on all the time (and the compost), the others would be used as needed. Lots of pieces in this puzzle... I'm not trying to figure it out too much in advance, start with the MEN burners and see how we go from there. Anyway, I'm sure you can do this one way or another, or several ways together maybe. Consider using passive solar too where possible, it's good and it's free. Lots of good info on the Web (though not at JtF) (yet). Best wishes Keith Sincerely.. Mike Barnett JAMAICA. - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 6:06 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] WVO burners... Hi, Im new to this list, and interested in WVO burners. I have strated to collect WVO from a restaurant, and would like to build a babington style burner. Anyone with experiences willing to share? Mike JAMAICA Hello Mike, welcome You don't say what you want to use it for. The Babington gives you a hot flame you can
Re: [biofuel] WVO burners...
Salui Hakan! What I really should have said is that we have installed solar, but I was thinking of WVO as a backup as opposed to electric heating. I also thought of providing the same restaurant with hot water, so they will get a better grease removal from the plates Mike JAMAICA - Original Message - From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] WVO burners... Hi Mike, Reading your posting, I cannot avoid making a few reflections. 20 gallons of WVO per month is far to valuable to use it for heating of water in Jamaica, you do have the perfect location for using solar panels for that. For the hot water to bungalows, salt water distillation, etc., solar panels must be the most economical alternative. Vehicle fuel and waste incineration (do use the heat for pasteurise), is the best for the WVO. At such a location, always preheat with the sun which directly give you more than 80% of what you need and to an unbeatable cost. This way, your 20 gallons will go a long way. Hakan At 05:24 PM 9/19/2003, you wrote: Thanks Keith, I must say I am honored to hear from you, as I have always been a silent admirer of your work. I have been amazed at what you have done, and moreso I find your site interesting as I used to live and work that side of the world too. I would like to use the waste oil from a sucessful fish fry restaurant for heating some bungalows water as well as to provide heat for waste incineration, and for heating water to pasteurise substrate for mushroom growing, herb drying, and also I am thinking along the lines of wastewater reduction, or even saltwater destillation for a barren area I work in... I can get about 10 gallons of oil every 2 weeks... which I think is a lot from just one site. This is my first attempt at this. I am truly inspired by your website and your devotion to it. I would rank it as one of the most informative and easy to browse sites I have ever been to! I will let you know of my progress. Is your impressions about Babington simply a feeling, as you imply, or is it based on some experiences you heard of?? Please let me know I am willing to try the Turk burner... I was thinking of casting some pipes into a 45 gallon drum along the sides with pipes in the refrac. concrete, to use a primitive boiler. Any further ideas? Sincerely.. Mike Barnett JAMAICA. - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 6:06 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] WVO burners... Hi, Im new to this list, and interested in WVO burners. I have strated to collect WVO from a restaurant, and would like to build a babington style burner. Anyone with experiences willing to share? Mike JAMAICA Hello Mike, welcome You don't say what you want to use it for. The Babington gives you a hot flame you can use for heating whatever you want heated, if you can ever get the thing to work properly. This one: MOTHER's Waste Oil Heater http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_motherearth/me4.htmlht tp://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_motherearth/me4.html ... is for space heating, like a furnace (very useful for those frozen winters you get in Jamaica!). This one: http://ww2.green-trust.org:8383/2000/biofuel/turk/http://ww2.green-trust.o rg:8383/2000/biofuel/turk/ Turk Burner ... also give you a hot flame, like the Babington, but this is what John Archibald (Babington guru) says about it at that site: I think this is what you might call a Turbo Mother Earth News Burner. The oil in the pan is supposed to be fed by a simple tube and valve set up. He just used free standing oil in his crude experiments. No valves yet incorporated. The simplicity of the design is what makes it worth while. And for some folks it beats the pants off the Babington burner. People do seem to tinker a lot with their Babingtons, I get the impression it needs more work (could be wrong of course). Some biodiesellers are now using something like the Turk burner to burn the biodiesel by-product to heat the biodiesel process. This works well, though from what I've seen they're a bit different from Dale Turk's version. It's a very adaptible idea. We've built one that's quite a lot different, a sort of mixture of the Turk and an IDD woodstove I designed a while back: http://journeytoforever.org/teststove.htmlhttp://journeytoforever.org/test stove.html It burns biodiesel by-product, or separated FFA, or separated glycerine, or WVO, or biodiesel, powered by a small electric blower, like the Turk, and it works very well. Doesn't use much fuel either. Just rigging a constant-level fuel supply for it using the tank and reservoir from a wrecked kero
Re: [biofuel] Synthetic Oil
Martin, I say nothing because I sell something. I say what I believe based on what I know and have found out about the industry. I would like to ask you one thing about synthetic working much better much longer: Where on the bottle does it say you can go longer between oil changes when you run synthetic? Aidan Wilkins Co-Owner MotorKote of Canada (519)-768-0948 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Martin Klingensmith To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 9:51 PM Subject: RE: [biofuel] Synthetic Oil Are you saying this because you are selling a normal engine oil additive? How can you deny all of the testing that indicates quite clearly to me that synthetic oil works much better for much longer? Martin Klingensmith nnytech.net infoarchive.net -Original Message- From: A Wilkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 8:33 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Synthetic Oil Hello, Just my two cents on the issue of synthetic oil. Just to give you a little background on my knowledge of oil. I started an oil additive/friction reducer business about a year ago and in that time I have spent many many hours searching on the net and talking with mechanics, oil sales people, and average users. Don't fall into the trap of synthetic oils. They are better because the company makes more money! Change your oil on a regular basis and use a good filter. There are many reasons why you need to change your oil on a regular basis and none of them can be solved by more expensive oil any better than simply changing your oil often. The filter is the single most important part of an oil system. Some go into bypass mode early in life leaving your engine prone to abrasive particles and others clog too easily starving your engine of oil. Just my two cents. Aidan Wilkins Co-Owner MotorKote of Canada (519)-768-0948 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: geoff To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 1:57 PM Subject: [biofuel] Synthetic Oil I have been using Neo for many years Works great and they have many diffrernt types of oil http://www.neosyntheticoil.com/ Check it out Geoff Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- ReplayTV: Control live television Special Sale: 50% off ReplayTV CNet Ranked #1 over Tivo! http://us.click.yahoo.com/aUMW7B/A6qGAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Synthetic Oil
It doesn't. Unless it's Amsoil the manufacturer still wants you to buy their oil every 3000 miles. http://www.amsoil.com/lit/lng_article/ http://www.mobil1.com/why/myths.jsp While Mobil 1 has given excellent results in extended oil drain tests, ExxonMobil prefers to remain conservative with oil drain recommendations. ... Oil change intervals can be as short as 3,000 miles or as long as 15,000 miles on some new cars. I use Mobil 1 and change the filter at regular intervals. You can't believe a the marketing department who tells you when to change your oil. Changing your oil at 3,000 miles is unnecessary in an engine built to the exacting specifications that they are now. It's also wasteful. -Martin Klingensmith Martin, I say nothing because I sell something. I say what I believe based on what I know and have found out about the industry. I would like to ask you one thing about synthetic working much better much longer: Where on the bottle does it say you can go longer between oil changes when you run synthetic? Aidan Wilkins Co-Owner MotorKote of Canada (519)-768-0948 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Remanufactured Ink Cartridges Refill Kits at MyInks.com for: HP $8-20. Epson $3-9, Canon $5-15, Lexmark $4-17. Free s/h over $50 (US Canada). http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=6351 http://us.click.yahoo.com/0zJuRD/6CvGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
