Re: [biofuel] Simple 5-gallon processor
Keith Addison said: > > http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor5.html > > 5-gallon processor - Cheap, simple, safe and effective Nice! I think a 5 gal. / 20 l. "test" batch is probably easier to make than a 1 l. or 1.5 l. test batch, the smaller the test batch, the more precise your measurements must be. For example: 1 liter oil requires 0.2 liters of Methanol and .35 grams NaOH 20 liters of oil requires 4 liters of Methanol and 7 grams NaOH If you accidently measure out an extra .1 gram NaOH in each batch it represents it represents 28.5% too much in the 1 liter batch but only 1.4% too much in the 20 liter batch. This may seem obvious, and I suppose it realy is, but it seems worth stating. I hadn't realy thought about it untill I mad a couple of 1.4 liter test batches a few weeks back. One turned out great, the other is quite interesting to watch settle, but it isn't biodiesel. Cheers Dan -- Jack of all trades, master of none. Fiber Artist - Genealogist - Kilt Maker - Linux Geek - Piper - Woodworker http://www.xmission.com/~redbeard Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Military diesel motorcycles and other cool stuff...
Neoteric Biofuels Inc said: > > http://www.americanprofile.com/issues/20010930/20010930ne_1354.asp > > See link above, ask this chap for plans, maybe. Perkins in a Harley, on > biodiesel. It's a cool story, but I'm not sure it's the direction I want to go to build a diesel bike. This bit from the fifth paragraph put me off the first time I read it, a few days ago: "He also spent $15,000 on parts for his one-of-a-kind motorcycle." But then he did buy the frame new, it could probably be done for a lot less if one were to check the local salvage yards for parts. Dan -- Jack of all trades, master of none. Fiber Artist - Genealogist - Kilt Maker - Linux Geek - Piper - Woodworker http://www.xmission.com/~redbeard Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Brittle Power
Hello Dallas Farnworth, and welcome - your first post. Hm. >The question, as I see it, is not your diatribe on the evils of >government, or the lack of oversite by said government. >All these nasties you speak of relate to money. George W. can't do as >he wants any more than you or I can. Billy (The BJ) Clinton couldn't >do it either. >The question is, what have YOU done about it? >Did you connect your Alternative Energy resources to the grid to >supply power for friends, neighbors and esential services? Or did you >just sit for the last few months pondering how to be nasty and >hateful for no better reason than not being in the position to make >it better. >The Major question is, What the Hell are you doing to make it better? >Rather than Why isn't Government making it better while not costing >me any money. >The world today, (Read that: the USA ) is a slave to the media. >If you are so naive to believe what you see in the high dollar, >slanted press, maybe you should obtain a shortwave radio and connect >it to your off grid power supply. >Dallas Farnworth >PS: >This is not for or against any government agency, it is pointed >toward the people who gripe and do nothing. >DF Now are you addressing this to me? It seems you are, though I didn't write the article, I just posted it. Nor am I somebody who gripes and does nothing. Nor am I even somebody who gripes. >The world today, (Read that: the USA ) ... LOL! Mr Farnsworth, this is not an American list, the membership is worldwide, Americans are only a minority here, though a valued one. You'll be ridiculed with this attitude. Anybody who's against GW Bush must be pro-Bill Clinton? :-) Anyway, Keith Parkins wrote it, not me, I'm Keith Addison. He's British, I'm not quite sure what I am these days as far as nationality goes, and I couldn't care less anyway, but I live in Japan for the moment. I've been an international journalist for nearly 40 years and I know about the media and who's a slave to it and who pays it for whose benefit and at whose expense. Do you? I don't think you can do, or surely you'd have noticed that Keith Parkins's article wasn't published in the "high dollar, slanted press", it was published by Corporate Watch, which is independent. And British. He also writes for Indymedia, not owned by anyone. Plenty of excellent stuff in the list archives about spin and media bias, if you care to look, by the way. "Diatribe"? Why do you call it a diatribe? It's a well-reasoned critique, factually based, well-researched. I wonder if you even read it, beyond a paragraph or two, enough to decide you disagreed with it. "Rather than Why isn't Government making it better while not costing me any money." You think that's what it's about? If you'd read a little further maybe you'd have realised it had more to do with the big wide world than just the US, and the small and shrill, very un-American segment of the US which seldom encounters anything different from their own lockstep for-us-or-against-us views, and lashes out when it does. >Did you connect your Alternative Energy resources to the grid to >supply power for friends, neighbors and esential services? Or did you >just sit for the last few months pondering how to be nasty and >hateful for no better reason than not being in the position to make >it better. "Nasty and hateful"... I'll hold you to that: please pinpoint precisely what it is about this article that is nasty and hateful. I don't see it in the article, I think it must be in the eye of the beholder, and the tone of your email rather confirms that. >The question is, what have YOU done about it? ... The Major question >is, What the Hell are you doing to make it better? You're so confident we're all do-nothing gripers that you don't even bother to spell out what YOU'VE done about it? Maybe you'll tell us. Not that size matters - if people do what they can according to their circumstances then that's good enough, and they're not to be criticized if someone else in different circumstances does more, or claims to. Anyway, since you ask, someone told us the other day that we've probably saved more carbon than the US government has. Well, maybe that wouldn't be too hard... Anyway, I don't know about that, but if you include this list and the Biofuels-biz list along with Journey to Forever then we've all probably helped to save more carbon than quite a lot of governments have. And we've done rather a hell of a lot more than that. And you? Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Ichijima, Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ List owner >--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > http://www.corporatewatch.org.uk/news/electricity_blackouts.htm > > Corporate Watch: News > > NEWS October 21st 2003 > > > > Brittle Power > > or: Everything you need to know about electricity but don't - yet... > > > > Keith Parkins > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://
[biofuel] Simple 5-gallon processor
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor5.html 5-gallon processor - Cheap, simple, safe and effective Use it once a week and this 5-gallon (20-litre) processor will make you 200 gallons of quality biodiesel a year. We made hundreds of gallons with it before scaling up to bigger batches, and we still use it for small batches and demonstrations. Like our test-batch processor, it's easy to make from not very much, mostly scrap and junk. It's effective and safe, closed and air-tight, with no splashing or leaking of hot fumes. It's suitable for single-stage or two-stage processes. And you can take it anywhere. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuels-biz] Simple 5-gallon processor
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor5.html 5-gallon processor - Cheap, simple, safe and effective Use it once a week and this 5-gallon (20-litre) processor will make you 200 gallons of quality biodiesel a year. We made hundreds of gallons with it before scaling up to bigger batches, and we still use it for small batches and demonstrations. Like our test-batch processor, it's easy to make from not very much, mostly scrap and junk. It's effective and safe, closed and air-tight, with no splashing or leaking of hot fumes. It's suitable for single-stage or two-stage processes. And you can take it anywhere. Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuels-biz/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Ethanol-Veggie Blend?
Dear Edward: It is done already, your name has been added to the our mailing list. I think that quite possibly you will not have to wait too long... we may already have the solution, it may just be a matter of getting a diesel engine set up for testing, some laboratory facilities, instrumentation for data collection and we might be up and running quite soon. Simultaneously with the e-diesel research we expect to operate a 1000 (one thousand) liter ethanol/day distillery. Some of the ethanol will be for fuel and some for beverages. If you can read spanish then, I have a few other surprises for you... Espera otras noticias interesantes de nuestra Fundacin. Tengo curiosidad, eres nativo de California o de otro pas? Bueno, Edward, recibe un cordial saludo y que tengas unas felices fiestas y un ao nuevo colmado de eventos importantes y de prosperidad, Luis R. Calzadilla VP Operations Fundacin Sugar Cane Research Org. Cali, Colombia Tel (572) 557-0627 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Edward Mendoza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 12:57 AM Subject: [biofuel] Ethanol-Veggie Blend? > Luis, > > Thank you so much for your response! > > I am intrigued at the fact that there is going to be research done precisely > in what it is that I'm curious about. Too bad I have to wait until next > year, though. > > Yes, please subscribe my name to your mailing list in order to keep me > informed about our progress with the ethanol-veggie fuel. > > Tambien hablo espanol. > > Salud, > > Edward Mendoza > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > 707.537.7392 > 211 Hayman Court > Santa Rosa, CA 95409 > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Brittle Power
We formed a non-profit organization dedicated to restore energy self-reliance to communities, through energy efficiency and design, promotion, and implementation of sustainable energy projects. Heath Blount Local Energy www.localenergy.org - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2003 5:00 PM Subject: [biofuel] Re: Brittle Power > The question, as I see it, is not your diatribe on the evils of > government, or the lack of oversite by said government. > All these nasties you speak of relate to money. George W. can't do as > he wants any more than you or I can. Billy (The BJ) Clinton couldn't > do it either. > The question is, what have YOU done about it? > Did you connect your Alternative Energy resources to the grid to > supply power for friends, neighbors and esential services? Or did you > just sit for the last few months pondering how to be nasty and > hateful for no better reason than not being in the position to make > it better. > The Major question is, What the Hell are you doing to make it better? > Rather than Why isn't Government making it better while not costing > me any money. > The world today, (Read that: the USA ) is a slave to the media. > If you are so naive to believe what you see in the high dollar, > slanted press, maybe you should obtain a shortwave radio and connect > it to your off grid power supply. > Dallas Farnworth > PS: > This is not for or against any government agency, it is pointed > toward the people who gripe and do nothing. > DF > > > --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > http://www.corporatewatch.org.uk/news/electricity_blackouts.htm > > Corporate Watch: News > > NEWS October 21st 2003 > > > > Brittle Power > > or: Everything you need to know about electricity but don't - yet... > > > > Keith Parkins > > > > "As America plunged into the dark ages, and millions of Americans > > went without electricity, the message was clear: the terrorists had > > struck. Except these terrorists weren't your easy-to-target > > Allah-lovers, they were the barons of fossil and nuclear power and > > their government cronies. Their weapon is an ancient electric grid > > that's, in their own words, fit for 'a third world country'. It's > an > > insanely fragile device that inefficiently sends electricity from > > polluting, centralised generating plants to buildings that waste > > massive amounts of energy and generate none. And it will crash, > crash > > and crash until it's replaced." > > -- SchNEWS > > > > The recent cascading power failures along the entire east coast of > > North America were a graphic illustration of the vulnerability and > > brittleness of hard energy supply paths. They were not due to a > > dilapidated grid, though that would not have helped. Nor was the > > problem new - it had happened before. > > > > When part of the system goes down, it puts extra load on other > parts > > of the system. These become overloaded, putting further overload on > > the remainder of the system, and thus the problem cascades until it > > takes out the entire network. Once the system is down, it is not an > > easy matter to bring it back up. Loads and power generators have to > > be matched, hence the plea to everyone to switch off. There also > has > > to be a matching of frequency and phase over the entire network: > > every generator in sync with every other generator. Not easy to > > achieve. Power stations, when down, rely on the grid to spin up > their > > rotors. Many power cables are fluid cooled, and rely on pumps to > > maintain the pressure. If there's no grid, the whole system fails. > > > > No surprise then that it took several days to get the system back > up > > and running, and that it kept collapsing. At the height of the > > blackout more than 50 million people were left without power in > eight > > US states and eastern Canada, including in major cities like New > > York, Detroit, Cleveland, Toronto and Ottawa. > > > > The US government used to take responsibility for ensuring that > each > > area had enough spare capacity to act as a safeguard in times of > > difficulty. But, since the deregulation of the industry in the > 1980s, > > the rules have been much less strict. Demand for electricity in the > > US has been growing steadily, alongside increased use of air > > conditioning and computers. But electricity firms have not been > > investing in building new high voltage distribution lines. US power > > demand has grown by 30% in the last decade, while transmission > > capacity has grown by just 15%. > > > > The California-based Electric Power Research Institute has > calculated > > that if the US government does want to upgrade the grid, it will > cost > > between $50bn and $100bn. If it is upgraded it will the public who > > will pay, not the electricity companies. > > > > It can't happen here, was the smug reaction in the UK when the east > > coast of North America was blac
[biofuel] Methanol Recovery for Beginners -(2nd try)
Howdy y'all, I sent this a week ago, but got no reply. Anyone have any ideas? I've been lurking about on this list and have a couple questions. I am forming a biodiesel co-op at my university (Appalachian State, NC) and this spring semester I plan to build a processor. I've made several 1L batches using Alex's 2-stage method. They seemed to turn out well. I've been working with a chemistry professor and will be able to continue working with him. I've studied biodiesel for a couple years now, but it seems that a lot of the info I know n processor's is a bit out dated now (fryer to the fuel tank era). I see that we need to be using closed processors and that methanol recovery is essential. I'm interested in building a processor to make about 80-100 gal a week off of wvo from the school. Last semester I welded a stand to hold a 100 gal hdpe container that could be covered to use as a processor. I understand that I will need a container to mix methoxide in, and a container to bubble wash and settle the biodiesel. What I am unsure of, and would like some advice on is what is a good way to do methanol recovery? and what is the preferred method of transfer from container to container? I am looking for salvaged or inexpensive materials, and a not too complex system. I do however have the help of several technology professors in my dept. What should I look for in a transfer pump? Is pump mixing preferrable, or should I use a mechanical stirrer? If using a plastic container, what is a good way to heat? I thank you for your help, and look forward to being a producing member of the list! Chris Jude ASU Biodiesel Club Boone, NC 1980 MB 240D - 350K miles _ - Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Military diesel motorcycles and other cool stuff...
http://www.americanprofile.com/issues/20010930/20010930ne_1354.asp See link above, ask this chap for plans, maybe. Perkins in a Harley, on biodiesel. On Monday, December 22, 2003, at 07:39 AM, Dan Maker wrote: > Alan Petrillo said: >> >> If you ever do figure that out please let me know. I'd pay a dollar >> to >> see that! ;-) > > If I ever figure that one out, I'll take it on the road and make a > fortune, > or at least a buck or two. :) > >> Well, if you don't mind going through the headaches of building a >> custom >> bike you could either buy a basket case and rebuild it, or you could >> get >> rolling stock from an off the shelf manufacturer and build your own >> from >> scratch. > > That's kind of what I'm thinking at this point. Time to research what > conversions have been done with which engine/transmission/frame > combinations. > >> From what I've seen, Harleys have been used as host bikes for some >> diesel customs because of their separate engine and transmission. >> Buy a >> Harley with a dead engine, yank the dead petrol engine, and replace it >> with a diesel of your choice, with the appropriate modifications. >> Most >> other motorcycles today have the engine and transmission in a common >> case, which makes conversion highly nontrivial. > > Yeah. That'd make the Harley a good choice. > >> It makes for some good thinking and dreaming, anyway. > > It's fun to research, not something I'd want to start building, too > many > other projects already in progress. > > Dan > -- > Jack of all trades, master of none. > Fiber Artist - Genealogist - Kilt Maker - Linux Geek - Piper - > Woodworker > http://www.xmission.com/~redbeard > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuels list archives: > http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Fwd: OT: "Papercrete" -- use your junk mail as a concrete substitute!
Hallo, Ja, this is off topic a bit. I was a printer by trade and am on a letterpress mailing list. This came across. Very interesting. There are apparently environmentally conscious people everywhere. Happy Happy, Gustl - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - This is a forwarded message To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sunday, 21 December, 2003, 12:05:33 Subject: OT: "Papercrete" -- use your junk mail as a concrete substitute! ==Original message text=== I saw this interesting link on another listserv: http://www.northcoast.com/~tms/papercrete.html What is Papercrete? It's simply shredded newspaper, Portland cement and sand in somewhat variable proportions of 60/20/20. This is potentially an ideal building material because it is cheap, utilizing unwanted newspapers, magazines, cardboard and junk mail plus local sand and dirt. [] In construction use papercrete performs like adobe because it can be made into large or small bricks. It can also be poured like cement, made into a monolithic wall, in filled between poles or studs like light-straw clay, shaped into large, reinforced panels; mortared, drilled, hammered, nailed, used as plaster, and more. [] Papercrete does have drawbacks, and since it is still completely experimental (several houses and structures have been built in the last three years) the long term performance results aren't known. And no real insulation tests have been performed, plus papercrete blocks soak up water like a sponge (but release it again) so they must be protected from moisture and weather. [Emphasis added-PR] All that being said, it still has enormous potential as an ultra low cost building material. Or as a partial replacement of costly, commercial building products. The site, which is illustrated, doesn't mention if Papercrete can also used to make high-capacity floors for presses, but can you imagine what would happen if you were printed on damped paper and (!) Best, Paul ===End of original message text=== -- Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns. Mitglied-Team AMIGA ICQ: 22211253-Gustli The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts. C. S. Lewis, "The Screwtape Letters" Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Stra§e liegen, da§ sie gerade deshalb von der gewhnlichen Welt nicht gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Military diesel motorcycles and other cool stuff...
There was a Dutch motorcycle that used a Peugeot 1.4L diesel. Sorry, do not remember the details. Try google. Merry Christmas & HNY, Doug On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 02:39 am, Dan Maker wrote: > Alan Petrillo said: > > If you ever do figure that out please let me know. I'd pay a dollar to > > see that! ;-) > > If I ever figure that one out, I'll take it on the road and make a fortune, > or at least a buck or two. :) > > > Well, if you don't mind going through the headaches of building a custom > > bike you could either buy a basket case and rebuild it, or you could get > > rolling stock from an off the shelf manufacturer and build your own from > > scratch. > > That's kind of what I'm thinking at this point. Time to research what > conversions have been done with which engine/transmission/frame > combinations. > > > From what I've seen, Harleys have been used as host bikes for some > > diesel customs because of their separate engine and transmission. Buy a > > Harley with a dead engine, yank the dead petrol engine, and replace it > > with a diesel of your choice, with the appropriate modifications. Most > > other motorcycles today have the engine and transmission in a common > > case, which makes conversion highly nontrivial. > > Yeah. That'd make the Harley a good choice. > > > It makes for some good thinking and dreaming, anyway. > > It's fun to research, not something I'd want to start building, too many > other projects already in progress. > > Dan Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Military diesel motorcycles and other cool stuff...
Alan Petrillo said: > > If you ever do figure that out please let me know. I'd pay a dollar to > see that! ;-) If I ever figure that one out, I'll take it on the road and make a fortune, or at least a buck or two. :) > Well, if you don't mind going through the headaches of building a custom > bike you could either buy a basket case and rebuild it, or you could get > rolling stock from an off the shelf manufacturer and build your own from > scratch. That's kind of what I'm thinking at this point. Time to research what conversions have been done with which engine/transmission/frame combinations. > From what I've seen, Harleys have been used as host bikes for some > diesel customs because of their separate engine and transmission. Buy a > Harley with a dead engine, yank the dead petrol engine, and replace it > with a diesel of your choice, with the appropriate modifications. Most > other motorcycles today have the engine and transmission in a common > case, which makes conversion highly nontrivial. Yeah. That'd make the Harley a good choice. > It makes for some good thinking and dreaming, anyway. It's fun to research, not something I'd want to start building, too many other projects already in progress. Dan -- Jack of all trades, master of none. Fiber Artist - Genealogist - Kilt Maker - Linux Geek - Piper - Woodworker http://www.xmission.com/~redbeard Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] Dialogue With Decision Makers (long)
I agree with Curtis. Very interesting read, Keith. KPS "J. Curtis Cheney, VII" To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com <[EMAIL PROTECTED]cc: com> Subject: Re: [biofuels-biz] Dialogue With Decision Makers (long) 12/20/2003 03:26 AM Please respond to biofuels-biz Keith, What a great post. Thank you. Curtis Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Everyone's Guide to Achieving Change: A Step-by-Step Approach to Dialogue with Decision-Makers The booklet can be downloaded as a pdf file here http://www.oxfordresearchgroup.org.uk/publications/books/achievingchange.pdf http://www.corporatewatch.org/news/dialogue_with_decision_makers.htm Corporate Watch: News NEWS December 3rd 2003 Dialogue With Decision Makers Corporate Watch publishes the latest study from the Oxford Research Group. Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuels-biz/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuels-biz/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Soft Energy Paths
http://www.heureka.clara.net/gaia/energy.htm Soft Energy Paths Keith Parkins -- Those who follow the natural order flow in the current of the Tao. -- Huai Nan Tzu -- The basic laws of nature have not been repealed. -- Eugene Odum -- The energy problem, according to conventional wisdom, is how to increase energy supplies ... to meet projected demands. The solution ... ever more remote and fragile places are to be ransacked, at ever greater risk and cost, for increasingly elusive fuels, which are then to be converted to premium forms - electricity and fluids - in ever more costly, complex centralized, and gigantic plants. -- Amory Lovins -- Traditionally energy planners have seen energy like a currency, where one source can be exchanged freely for another. The 'Energy Crisis' does not stem from a lack of energy but from a failure to match forms of energy to the real requirements of the consumer. -- Amory Lovins The electricity companies of England and Wales are expected to accumulate net cash reserves of over £2 billion by the year 2000 and to shed over 20% of their workforce. -- Friends of the Earth I tell people that if they make clear their fundamental assumptions about what is needed for a life simple in means and rich in ends, they will necessarily come to the conclusion that it is not the lack of energy consumption that makes them unhappy. They can then oppose nuclear power without having read thick books and without knowing the myriad facts that are used in newspapers and periodicals. -- Arne Naess By and large, our present problem is one of attitudes and implements. We are remodelling the Alhambra with a steam-shovel, and are proud of our yardage. We shall hardly relinquish the shovel, which after all has many good points, but we are in need of gentler and more objective criteria for its successful use. -- Aldo Leopold From the systemic point of view, the only viable solutions are those that are 'sustainable'. -- Fritjof Capra A sustainable society is one that satisfies its needs without diminishing the prospects of future generations. -- Lester Brown Environmentalists concentrate upon renewal energy sources, sometimes upon energy efficiency, but to concentrate upon either to the exclusion of all else may be well meaning but it is to miss the point. It is like the environmentalist who takes a trip in the car to drop a few bottles off at the bottle bank. Too often overlooked, renewable sources also have environmental costs. A more fundamental approach is to supply appropriate energy, energy that is matched to end use, and to supply it in the most cost effective, environmentally efficient manner. The current energy path is a hard path. Hard paths are brittle. Brittle paths cannot survive sudden shocks and are liable to break. A soft energy path is one that is pliable, one that matches the energy source to the energy demand. Consumers don't demand energy, they demand goods and services. Energy is the means to deliver these goods. Thus we don't ask how many kilowatts does each individual, community or factory want but how do we supply their goods and services. From the viewpoint of the end user there is no economic demand for oil, kilowatts, fissile uranium, but an abstract demand for energy upon which all our creature comforts depend. We should therefore supply the most appropriate energy in the most energy efficient way to meet those demands. Traditional thought, not only the faceless corporations and bureaucrats but also the environmentalists, has focused on the wrong issues. Apart from a few bozos who cruise around for pleasure, most people don't travel around in the car for the purpose of consuming miles, but because they need some service and the car is the means of obtaining that service. Which is why most transport policies with the emphasis on car is bad, public transport is good, reminiscent of the mantra in Animal Farm 'two legs is bad, four legs is good' fails. That is not to say that no one recognises traffic jams, gridlock, pollution, energy consumption, global warming as bad, or the need for good, cheap, reliant, efficient public transport. As a generalisation these ills are recognised as bad, but this is an abstract problem, caused by others, of little consequence when late for work, getting the kids to school, going shopping or a night out at the theatre. Abstract problems caused by the selfishness of others, never ourselves. What people want is access to services. These services are remote, a process accelerated by modern planning practices of zoning and out-of-town shopping. Building more roads does not help, it merely serves to generate more traffic. Most people measure the viability of a journey by time, not miles. The converse to building more roads also works, closing roads leads to less traffic as the journey is no longer viable or alternative transport modes are used. The transport problem is a plan
[biofuels-biz] Soft Energy Paths
http://www.heureka.clara.net/gaia/energy.htm Soft Energy Paths Keith Parkins -- Those who follow the natural order flow in the current of the Tao. -- Huai Nan Tzu -- The basic laws of nature have not been repealed. -- Eugene Odum -- The energy problem, according to conventional wisdom, is how to increase energy supplies ... to meet projected demands. The solution ... ever more remote and fragile places are to be ransacked, at ever greater risk and cost, for increasingly elusive fuels, which are then to be converted to premium forms - electricity and fluids - in ever more costly, complex centralized, and gigantic plants. -- Amory Lovins -- Traditionally energy planners have seen energy like a currency, where one source can be exchanged freely for another. The 'Energy Crisis' does not stem from a lack of energy but from a failure to match forms of energy to the real requirements of the consumer. -- Amory Lovins The electricity companies of England and Wales are expected to accumulate net cash reserves of over £2 billion by the year 2000 and to shed over 20% of their workforce. -- Friends of the Earth I tell people that if they make clear their fundamental assumptions about what is needed for a life simple in means and rich in ends, they will necessarily come to the conclusion that it is not the lack of energy consumption that makes them unhappy. They can then oppose nuclear power without having read thick books and without knowing the myriad facts that are used in newspapers and periodicals. -- Arne Naess By and large, our present problem is one of attitudes and implements. We are remodelling the Alhambra with a steam-shovel, and are proud of our yardage. We shall hardly relinquish the shovel, which after all has many good points, but we are in need of gentler and more objective criteria for its successful use. -- Aldo Leopold From the systemic point of view, the only viable solutions are those that are 'sustainable'. -- Fritjof Capra A sustainable society is one that satisfies its needs without diminishing the prospects of future generations. -- Lester Brown Environmentalists concentrate upon renewal energy sources, sometimes upon energy efficiency, but to concentrate upon either to the exclusion of all else may be well meaning but it is to miss the point. It is like the environmentalist who takes a trip in the car to drop a few bottles off at the bottle bank. Too often overlooked, renewable sources also have environmental costs. A more fundamental approach is to supply appropriate energy, energy that is matched to end use, and to supply it in the most cost effective, environmentally efficient manner. The current energy path is a hard path. Hard paths are brittle. Brittle paths cannot survive sudden shocks and are liable to break. A soft energy path is one that is pliable, one that matches the energy source to the energy demand. Consumers don't demand energy, they demand goods and services. Energy is the means to deliver these goods. Thus we don't ask how many kilowatts does each individual, community or factory want but how do we supply their goods and services. From the viewpoint of the end user there is no economic demand for oil, kilowatts, fissile uranium, but an abstract demand for energy upon which all our creature comforts depend. We should therefore supply the most appropriate energy in the most energy efficient way to meet those demands. Traditional thought, not only the faceless corporations and bureaucrats but also the environmentalists, has focused on the wrong issues. Apart from a few bozos who cruise around for pleasure, most people don't travel around in the car for the purpose of consuming miles, but because they need some service and the car is the means of obtaining that service. Which is why most transport policies with the emphasis on car is bad, public transport is good, reminiscent of the mantra in Animal Farm 'two legs is bad, four legs is good' fails. That is not to say that no one recognises traffic jams, gridlock, pollution, energy consumption, global warming as bad, or the need for good, cheap, reliant, efficient public transport. As a generalisation these ills are recognised as bad, but this is an abstract problem, caused by others, of little consequence when late for work, getting the kids to school, going shopping or a night out at the theatre. Abstract problems caused by the selfishness of others, never ourselves. What people want is access to services. These services are remote, a process accelerated by modern planning practices of zoning and out-of-town shopping. Building more roads does not help, it merely serves to generate more traffic. Most people measure the viability of a journey by time, not miles. The converse to building more roads also works, closing roads leads to less traffic as the journey is no longer viable or alternative transport modes are used. The transport problem is a plan
[biofuel] Degrees Of Capture - Universities, The Oil Industry And Climate Change
http://www.corporatewatch.org.uk/pages/degrees_of_capture.htm Degrees of capture MARCH 2003 A joint publication with Platform and the New Economics Foundation which outlines how Britain's universities and colleges are being co-opted into directing their research and training for the benefit of the fossil fuel industry, with potentially devastating long-term effects on the environment. Degrees Of Capture Universities, The Oil Industry And Climate Change The oil industry and Britain's universities: how many degrees of capture? This report examines the relationship between the oil and gas industry and the UK higher education sector, and assesses this in the context of climate change. It asks if some parts of the higher education sector have been 'captured'a by the industry. The report looks in detail at how much influence oil and gas companies have over R&D priorities, and to what extent public money is supporting both the extraction of fossil fuels and the profits of carbon-intensive corporations. Universities could play an important role in leading the debate about energy economics and developing sustainable alternatives to fossil fuels. Yet universities are engaged in research and technology development which is used by the oil and gas industry, and are the recruiting and training grounds for its future managers. After detailing the ways in which the research and teaching agendas are influenced by oil companies, the report makes a series of recommendations to put universities onto a more sustainable path. Read the report (pdf) 1194kb http://www.corporatewatch.org.uk/publications/degrees_of_capture.pdf Read the press release http://www.corporatewatch.org.uk/pages/degrees.htm Paper copies available from Corporate Watch - £3 inc. p+p Publication funded by Joseph Rowntree Reform Trust and Greenpeace. http://www.corporatewatch.org.uk/pages/degrees.htm Degrees Degrees of capture Universities favour oil company profits over environment New report finds big oil companies co-opting "independent" research at taxpayers' expense Government is subsidising the oil and gas industry's massive profits to the tune of £40 million per year through the "capture" of some of Britain's most respected academic institutions, says a new report released today, Tuesday the 11th of February, by Corporate Watch, PLATFORM and the New Economics Foundation. The report, "Degrees of Capture", outlines how Britain's universities and colleges are being co-opted into directing their research and training for the benefit of the fossil fuel industry, with potentially devastating long-term effects on the environment. This compromising link between academic research and corporate profit is being encouraged and furthered by government spending priorities. Despite the government's own stated goals in the face of global warming of "reducing our use of fossil fuels, and replacing them with non-fossil sources", huge sums of public money are being spent on research of direct use only to the massively profitable, and highly damaging, oil and gas industries. Author of the report, Greg Muttitt of PLATFORM, said "Climate change is the biggest environmental threat facing mankind at present. It is shocking that while we urgently need to be reducing our dependence on fossil fuels, government and academic institutions are taking us in exactly the opposite direction." The report shows that: * Universities contribute about 1000 research projects, worth £67 million, every year to the oil and gas industry. * 60 per cent of this is funded by public money. * Oil companies have effectively captured higher education by infiltrating every level of academic decision making: both universities and government prioritise boosting corporate profits over solving major public problems such as climate change "Publicly funded research into fossil fuels technologies, and 'search and exploit' missions to find and develop oil fields, is a bad subsidy and is artificially distorting energy markets in favour of the big oil and gas companies," says Andrew Simms, policy director of the New Economics Foundation, "It undermines progress towards the necessary development of renewable energy alternatives. The neglect means that solutions to global warming could already have been fatally delayed." The report outlines the mechanisms of 'capture' of academic departments and institutions - through personal connections, donations, funding and employment for graduates. Oil companies may donate buildings, equipment and cash, and sponsor academic posts and staff or student secondments - revenue streams that cash strapped universities can ill afford to refuse. Rebecca Spencer of Corporate Watch, said: "Degrees of Capture exposes one part of the creeping takeover of British universities by corporate interests. This takeover threatens academic independence, damages our universities' credibility and could have serious conseque
[biofuels-biz] Degrees Of Capture - Universities, The Oil Industry And Climate Change
http://www.corporatewatch.org.uk/pages/degrees_of_capture.htm Degrees of capture MARCH 2003 A joint publication with Platform and the New Economics Foundation which outlines how Britain's universities and colleges are being co-opted into directing their research and training for the benefit of the fossil fuel industry, with potentially devastating long-term effects on the environment. Degrees Of Capture Universities, The Oil Industry And Climate Change The oil industry and Britain's universities: how many degrees of capture? This report examines the relationship between the oil and gas industry and the UK higher education sector, and assesses this in the context of climate change. It asks if some parts of the higher education sector have been 'captured'a by the industry. The report looks in detail at how much influence oil and gas companies have over R&D priorities, and to what extent public money is supporting both the extraction of fossil fuels and the profits of carbon-intensive corporations. Universities could play an important role in leading the debate about energy economics and developing sustainable alternatives to fossil fuels. Yet universities are engaged in research and technology development which is used by the oil and gas industry, and are the recruiting and training grounds for its future managers. After detailing the ways in which the research and teaching agendas are influenced by oil companies, the report makes a series of recommendations to put universities onto a more sustainable path. Read the report (pdf) 1194kb http://www.corporatewatch.org.uk/publications/degrees_of_capture.pdf Read the press release http://www.corporatewatch.org.uk/pages/degrees.htm Paper copies available from Corporate Watch - £3 inc. p+p Publication funded by Joseph Rowntree Reform Trust and Greenpeace. http://www.corporatewatch.org.uk/pages/degrees.htm Degrees Degrees of capture Universities favour oil company profits over environment New report finds big oil companies co-opting "independent" research at taxpayers' expense Government is subsidising the oil and gas industry's massive profits to the tune of £40 million per year through the "capture" of some of Britain's most respected academic institutions, says a new report released today, Tuesday the 11th of February, by Corporate Watch, PLATFORM and the New Economics Foundation. The report, "Degrees of Capture", outlines how Britain's universities and colleges are being co-opted into directing their research and training for the benefit of the fossil fuel industry, with potentially devastating long-term effects on the environment. This compromising link between academic research and corporate profit is being encouraged and furthered by government spending priorities. Despite the government's own stated goals in the face of global warming of "reducing our use of fossil fuels, and replacing them with non-fossil sources", huge sums of public money are being spent on research of direct use only to the massively profitable, and highly damaging, oil and gas industries. Author of the report, Greg Muttitt of PLATFORM, said "Climate change is the biggest environmental threat facing mankind at present. It is shocking that while we urgently need to be reducing our dependence on fossil fuels, government and academic institutions are taking us in exactly the opposite direction." The report shows that: * Universities contribute about 1000 research projects, worth £67 million, every year to the oil and gas industry. * 60 per cent of this is funded by public money. * Oil companies have effectively captured higher education by infiltrating every level of academic decision making: both universities and government prioritise boosting corporate profits over solving major public problems such as climate change "Publicly funded research into fossil fuels technologies, and 'search and exploit' missions to find and develop oil fields, is a bad subsidy and is artificially distorting energy markets in favour of the big oil and gas companies," says Andrew Simms, policy director of the New Economics Foundation, "It undermines progress towards the necessary development of renewable energy alternatives. The neglect means that solutions to global warming could already have been fatally delayed." The report outlines the mechanisms of 'capture' of academic departments and institutions - through personal connections, donations, funding and employment for graduates. Oil companies may donate buildings, equipment and cash, and sponsor academic posts and staff or student secondments - revenue streams that cash strapped universities can ill afford to refuse. Rebecca Spencer of Corporate Watch, said: "Degrees of Capture exposes one part of the creeping takeover of British universities by corporate interests. This takeover threatens academic independence, damages our universities' credibility and could have serious conseque
[biofuel] DIY Guide: How to Research Companies
11,000-word how-to. http://www.corporatewatch.org.uk/publications/diy_research_2002.htm Corporate Watch DIY Guide: How to Research Companies June 2002 Contents * Introduction * Information Sources * Getting a basic overview of the company * How to find out about a company'sÉ * 'Digging the Dirt' pdf (647kb) http://www.corporatewatch.org.uk/publications/researchguide.pdf Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuels-biz] DIY Guide: How to Research Companies
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[biofuel] Re: Ethanol-Veggie Blend?
Hi Dave, Tim, Edward and all >--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, "Tim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Somewhat related, and useful in any case: > > > > Ethanol blended diesel (e-diesel) is a cleaner burning alternative > > to regular diesel for both heavy-duty (HD) and light-duty (LD) > >Tim, > >You may also be interested by Sweden's use of a 90% ethanol formula >(Etamax D). Check it out: >http://www.surface.akzonobel.com/fueladd.pdf and >http://www.sekab.se/eng/word/EtamaxD.doc . > >It has even greater emissions reductions than e-diesel (when compared >to diesel), plus it won't freeze (they're near the artic circle). > >Dave So might this be of interest: >Water CAN be blended with diesel!! A bus company in NSW (AUS) is >trialing a 10% water emulsion using an emulsifying agent imported >from the US. The stable emulsion looks like milk. The mix has a >detergent effect, requiring precleaning of the fuel system to prevent >filter blockage. In addition a coarser fuel filter is fitted. >Apparently the water droplets are surrounded by diesel creating an >effectively large particle size. The reported effects on pollution >are similar to those recorded for diodiesel. In Bundaberg QLD a plant >produces diesahol- a blend of ethanol with diesel. I have mixed >absolute ethanol (and methanol) with biodiesel 50:50, the solution >has been stable for 8 months now-no separation and no apparent >freezing in response to sub zero nights. More: http://archive.nnytech.net/sgroup/BIOFUELS-BIZ/835/ Blending ethanol with SVO is a different matter - IIRC the best I could get with absolute ethanol was 22% in a stable blend. The ACREVO study reports major emissions reductions by adding 9% ethanol (95%), with SVO, rapeseed oil. "The overall combustion performance of the rapeseed oil are very satisfactory in comparison with the diesel fuel while the rapeseed oil produces almost 40 % less soot than diesel fuel. The different volatility of this fuel respect to the diesel fuel is responsible of the different behaviour of the sampled gas concentrations in the base of the flames while at the end of the flames, both attain almost the same values. It has been established that an addition of 9 % of ethyl alcohol (95 %) bring a great benefit regarding the pre-heating oil temperature. In fact, the presence of alcohol allows a reduction in the inlet oil temperature from 150 ¡C to 80 ¡C. Moreover, the combustion of the emulsion produces less soot and, at the exhaust, the amount is almost one half less than that produced by the combustion of rapeseed oil." http://www.nf-2000.org/secure/Fair/F484.htm Advanced Combustion Research for Energy from Vegetable Oils (ACREVO) You should read that report in full, Edward, if you're thinking you can just mix it and chuck it in. In an old Mercedes diesel maybe. On the other hand, diesels will run on pure ethanol (no need for absolute). See: The Manual for the Home and Farm Production of Alcohol Fuel, Chapter 3 UTILIZATION OF ALCOHOL FUELS, Diesel Engines: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_manual/manual3.html And the archives - it's apparently not without its problems. Best Keith Edward wrote: >Can ethanol blended with pure vegetable oil be used as fuel for an >unmodified diesel engine? > >I am a member of the Biofuels Research Cooperative in Sebastopol, >California. We collect recycled vegetable oil for our members for >use as fuel for their converted diesel vehicles. Our cars run on >100% vegetable oil. > >The reason I ask about the ethanol and veggie blend is because there >is a crucial viscosity issue regarding the straight vegetable oil as >fuel. There is a necessary modification using the Elsbett or >Neoteric kits before the diesel car can run on pure veggie. As you >know, biodiesel can be run directly in an unmodified diesel engine. >The required step, however, is the modification of the veggie oil >before it can be used as fuel. > >So the two options present themselves: 1. Modify the diesel engine, >or 2. Modify the fuel (veggie oil). If an ethanol-veggie blend can >work then we can bypass the modification of the engine. However, I >fear that a diesel engine may not take very kindly to having ethanol >introduced into it, even if it is blended with veggie oil. The BRC >has chosen the route of modifying the engine but if the >ethanol-veggie blend works then there is no need to go through the >hassle and expense of adapting the diesel motor to the alternative >fuel. I can see myself producing ethanol at home with a still to >later mix with my pure veggie oil. > >Any response will be appreciated, > >Edward Mendoza >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >707.537.7392 >211 Hayman Court >Santa Rosa, CA 95409 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTE
[biofuel] Ethanol-Veggie Blend?
Luis, Thank you so much for your response! I am intrigued at the fact that there is going to be research done precisely in what it is that I'm curious about. Too bad I have to wait until next year, though. Yes, please subscribe my name to your mailing list in order to keep me informed about our progress with the ethanol-veggie fuel. Tambien hablo espanol. Salud, Edward Mendoza [EMAIL PROTECTED] 707.537.7392 211 Hayman Court Santa Rosa, CA 95409 - Original Message - Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 16:23:59 -0500 From: "Contactos Mundiales" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: Ethanol-Veggie Blend? Dear Edward: Our Research Foundation has this very item in our research agenda for 2004. We already have a local University interested in pursuing this project jointly. I expect that just a little funding will be required, since Research & Development in Colombia is such an inexpensive undertaking. Should you wish, we can enter your name in our mailing list in order to be kept informed about our progress. The same invitation is kindly extended to the Forum membership. With best wishes for happy holidays to you and to the Group, Luis R. Calzadilla VP Operations Fundacin Sugar Cane Research Org. Cali, Colombia [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Edward Mendoza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2003 3:06 PM Subject: [biofuel] Ethanol-Veggie Blend? Can ethanol blended with pure vegetable oil be used as fuel for an unmodified diesel engine? > > I am a member of the Biofuels Research Cooperative in Sebastopol, California. We collect recycled vegetable oil for our members for use as fuel for their converted diesel vehicles. Our cars run on 100% vegetable oil. > > The reason I ask about the ethanol and veggie blend is because there is a crucial viscosity issue regarding the straight vegetable oil as fuel. There is a necessary modification using the Elsbett or Neoteric kits before the diesel car can run on pure veggie. As you know, biodiesel can be run directly in an unmodified diesel engine. The required step, however, is the modification of the veggie oil before it can be used as fuel. > > So the two options present themselves: 1. Modify the diesel engine, or 2. Modify the fuel (veggie oil). If an ethanol-veggie blend can work then we can bypass the modification of the engine. However, I fear that a diesel engine may not take very kindly to having ethanol introduced into it, even if it is blended with veggie oil. The BRC has chosen the route of modifying the engine but if the ethanol-veggie blend works then there is no need to go through the hassle and expense of adapting the diesel motor to the alternative fuel. I can see myself producing ethanol at home with a still to later mix with my pure veggie oil. > > Any response will be appreciated, > > Edward Mendoza > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > 707.537.7392 > 211 Hayman Court > Santa Rosa, CA 95409 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Russia Raped again
MALONEKR wrote:
>Since before Tzar Nicky,bankers{rothschilds and friends] have controled the
>kremlin.Nicky,kaiser bill and their english cousin were reared up in estates
>owned by the bankers,away from their families much of the time.When
>they served
>their purpose,lenin,stalin,nikita,hitler and others were trotted out to help
>sell more guns.[another quirk of history was when granny rothschild
>and queenof
>austria got into a cat fight at granny's villa in the alps;granny screamed
>her vengenance as quennie drove away.Her son and daughter-in-law
>were murdered
>THE next day.] I have always felt saddened reading history;we humans
>never seem to learn.
Oh, we learn pretty well, but our institutions don't, or not
willingly, they have to be dragged into the future kicking and
screaming - our governments, bureaucracies, corporations, our
privileged elites that think they hold all the cards.
"History does not repeat itself, but it rhymes." -- Mark Twain
Best
Keith
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[biofuel] Re: Ethanol-Veggie Blend?
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, "Tim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Somewhat related, and useful in any case: > > Ethanol blended diesel (e-diesel) is a cleaner burning alternative > to regular diesel for both heavy-duty (HD) and light-duty (LD) Tim, You may also be interested by Sweden's use of a 90% ethanol formula (Etamax D). Check it out: http://www.surface.akzonobel.com/fueladd.pdf and http://www.sekab.se/eng/word/EtamaxD.doc . It has even greater emissions reductions than e-diesel (when compared to diesel), plus it won't freeze (they're near the artic circle). Dave Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] modified waste vegetable oil production
Hello Bekir, and welcome >dear All, > >i try to produce the modified waste vegetable oil? are there any >people to help me? > >thank you in advance > >Bekir Sari If you mean biodiesel, ethyl- or methyl esters, you should find everything you need at the two links posted at the bottom of every message: >Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > >Biofuels list archives: >http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel The first is acknowledged as the premier source of small-scale biodiesel information on the Web. The second is a treasure house of information on all aspects of biofuels, especially biodiesel - it contains 30,000 messages over the last three years, many of them from leaders in the field worldwide. It's an independent archives, not Yahoo's, provided and maintained by list member Martin Klingensmith, with powerful, fast and efficient searching, and no ads. Start here: "Where do I start?" http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html#start Best wishes Keith Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Russia Raped again
Since before Tzar Nicky,bankers{rothschilds and friends] have controled the
kremlin.Nicky,kaiser bill and their english cousin were reared up in estates
owned by the bankers,away from their families much of the time.When they served
their purpose,lenin,stalin,nikita,hitler and others were trotted out to help
sell more guns.[another quirk of history was when granny rothschild and queenof
austria got into a cat fight at granny's villa in the alps;granny screamed
her vengenance as quennie drove away.Her son and daughter-in-law were murdered
THE next day.] I have always felt saddened reading history;we humans
never seem to learn.
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[biofuel] Re: Brittle Power
The question, as I see it, is not your diatribe on the evils of government, or the lack of oversite by said government. All these nasties you speak of relate to money. George W. can't do as he wants any more than you or I can. Billy (The BJ) Clinton couldn't do it either. The question is, what have YOU done about it? Did you connect your Alternative Energy resources to the grid to supply power for friends, neighbors and esential services? Or did you just sit for the last few months pondering how to be nasty and hateful for no better reason than not being in the position to make it better. The Major question is, What the Hell are you doing to make it better? Rather than Why isn't Government making it better while not costing me any money. The world today, (Read that: the USA ) is a slave to the media. If you are so naive to believe what you see in the high dollar, slanted press, maybe you should obtain a shortwave radio and connect it to your off grid power supply. Dallas Farnworth PS: This is not for or against any government agency, it is pointed toward the people who gripe and do nothing. DF --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://www.corporatewatch.org.uk/news/electricity_blackouts.htm > Corporate Watch: News > NEWS October 21st 2003 > > Brittle Power > or: Everything you need to know about electricity but don't - yet... > > Keith Parkins > > "As America plunged into the dark ages, and millions of Americans > went without electricity, the message was clear: the terrorists had > struck. Except these terrorists weren't your easy-to-target > Allah-lovers, they were the barons of fossil and nuclear power and > their government cronies. Their weapon is an ancient electric grid > that's, in their own words, fit for 'a third world country'. It's an > insanely fragile device that inefficiently sends electricity from > polluting, centralised generating plants to buildings that waste > massive amounts of energy and generate none. And it will crash, crash > and crash until it's replaced." > -- SchNEWS > > The recent cascading power failures along the entire east coast of > North America were a graphic illustration of the vulnerability and > brittleness of hard energy supply paths. They were not due to a > dilapidated grid, though that would not have helped. Nor was the > problem new - it had happened before. > > When part of the system goes down, it puts extra load on other parts > of the system. These become overloaded, putting further overload on > the remainder of the system, and thus the problem cascades until it > takes out the entire network. Once the system is down, it is not an > easy matter to bring it back up. Loads and power generators have to > be matched, hence the plea to everyone to switch off. There also has > to be a matching of frequency and phase over the entire network: > every generator in sync with every other generator. Not easy to > achieve. Power stations, when down, rely on the grid to spin up their > rotors. Many power cables are fluid cooled, and rely on pumps to > maintain the pressure. If there's no grid, the whole system fails. > > No surprise then that it took several days to get the system back up > and running, and that it kept collapsing. At the height of the > blackout more than 50 million people were left without power in eight > US states and eastern Canada, including in major cities like New > York, Detroit, Cleveland, Toronto and Ottawa. > > The US government used to take responsibility for ensuring that each > area had enough spare capacity to act as a safeguard in times of > difficulty. But, since the deregulation of the industry in the 1980s, > the rules have been much less strict. Demand for electricity in the > US has been growing steadily, alongside increased use of air > conditioning and computers. But electricity firms have not been > investing in building new high voltage distribution lines. US power > demand has grown by 30% in the last decade, while transmission > capacity has grown by just 15%. > > The California-based Electric Power Research Institute has calculated > that if the US government does want to upgrade the grid, it will cost > between $50bn and $100bn. If it is upgraded it will the public who > will pay, not the electricity companies. > > It can't happen here, was the smug reaction in the UK when the east > coast of North America was blacked out. Before the month was out, > London and a huge swathe of Kent and Sussex were blacked out and > 400,000 customers lost power for on average half an hour. In London > it was chaos as lifts and trains ground to a halt and traffic lights > defaulted to red. The blackout caused rush-hour misery for 250,000 > people when it stopped around 1,800 trains and closed 60% of the Tube > network. > > The cause was two near-simultaneous failures on the grid. They did > not cause the cascading blac
[biofuel] modified waste vegetable oil production
dear All, i try to produce the modified waste vegetable oil? are there any people to help me? thank you in advance Bekir Sari Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Ethanol-Veggie Blend?
Somewhat related, and useful in any case: Ethanol blended diesel (e-diesel) is a cleaner burning alternative to regular diesel for both heavy-duty (HD) and light-duty (LD) compression ignition (CI) engines used in buses, trucks, off-road equipment, and passenger cars. Although ethanol has been used as a fuel oxygenate to reduce tail-pipe emissions in gasoline, its use in diesel has not been possible due to technical limitations (i.e., blending). Commercially viable E-Diesel is now possible due to the development of an additive system, Puranol, invented by Pure Energy Corporation (PEC). Puranol allows the splash blending of ethanol in diesel in a clear solution possible for the first time. Laboratory and field tests have demonstrated over 41% reduction in PM, 27% reduction in CO, and 5% reduction in NOx from a HD diesel engine. Significantly higher emissions reductions are observed from smaller 1.9-L VW TDI engines. Six page pdf: http://www.pure-energy.com/sae2001-01-2475.pdf You may also want to do a search on the term "OxyDiesel" to learn more. Tim --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, "Edward Mendoza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Can ethanol blended with pure vegetable oil be used as fuel for an unmodified diesel engine? > > I am a member of the Biofuels Research Cooperative in Sebastopol, California. We collect recycled vegetable oil for our members for use as fuel for their converted diesel vehicles. Our cars run on 100% vegetable oil. > > The reason I ask about the ethanol and veggie blend is because there is a crucial viscosity issue regarding the straight vegetable oil as fuel. There is a necessary modification using the Elsbett or Neoteric kits before the diesel car can run on pure veggie. As you know, biodiesel can be run directly in an unmodified diesel engine. The required step, however, is the modification of the veggie oil before it can be used as fuel. > > So the two options present themselves: 1. Modify the diesel engine, or 2. Modify the fuel (veggie oil). If an ethanol-veggie blend can work then we can bypass the modification of the engine. However, I fear that a diesel engine may not take very kindly to having ethanol introduced into it, even if it is blended with veggie oil. The BRC has chosen the route of modifying the engine but if the ethanol-veggie blend works then there is no need to go through the hassle and expense of adapting the diesel motor to the alternative fuel. I can see myself producing ethanol at home with a still to later mix with my pure veggie oil. > > Any response will be appreciated, > > Edward Mendoza > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > 707.537.7392 > 211 Hayman Court > Santa Rosa, CA 95409 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Military diesel motorcycles and other cool stuff...
Dan Maker wrote: > I had four Honda bikes at one point. Never could figure out how to ride > them all at once ;) If you ever do figure that out please let me know. I'd pay a dollar to see that! ;-) > I don't currently own any, and I'd love to rectify that by getting a diesel > powered bike. Well, if you don't mind going through the headaches of building a custom bike you could either buy a basket case and rebuild it, or you could get rolling stock from an off the shelf manufacturer and build your own from scratch. From what I've seen, Harleys have been used as host bikes for some diesel customs because of their separate engine and transmission. Buy a Harley with a dead engine, yank the dead petrol engine, and replace it with a diesel of your choice, with the appropriate modifications. Most other motorcycles today have the engine and transmission in a common case, which makes conversion highly nontrivial. If anyone builds a diesel engine with an opposed, or "boxer" format then something like a Honda Gold Wing might make a good host bike. (Oil Wing?) Same for an old BMW R series bike. If you could find a small horizontal inline engine then you might be able to fit it to a K bike. I don't know much about the F series. It makes for some good thinking and dreaming, anyway. AP Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Military diesel motorcycles and other cool stuff...
jeremynlana wrote: > Yeah too bad Enfield stopped producing diesel bikes a few years ago. > Their diesel bikes were really just their current production with a > Lombardini engine strapped on it though, easy enough to replicate. > > Anyone see the Diesel bike on "Monster Garage," all engine, straight > from a Peterbuilt I believe! Proof positive that the diesel bike is > not inherently underpowered. I'm not much on Monster Garage, but that's one episode I just _have_ to find! One thing's for certain, though. You DON'T want to drop that monster! AP Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Ethanol & Fixing Old Cars
csakima wrote: > Ethanol usually is run in a spark-ignition type engine. The type that > stock runs gasoline. > > Modifications include changing the fuel-handling components to pass > ethanol without dissolving (since ethanol is a different type of solvent > than gas) richening the fuel mixture to accomadate ethanol's "ideal" > air-fuel mixture requirements. changing the ignition timing curve to > match ethanol's different flame speed. > > If you're a hotrodder, the changes are similar to converting an engine to > running on Methanol (aka "racing alcohol") But you can run 15:1 compression on methanol, and you really don't want to run ethanol any higher that about 12:1, IIRC. Please correct me if I'm wrong on that. AP Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
