Re: [biofuel] opinions on US energy situation? (was Alaska etc.)
Some forms of taxation are a means to level the playing field. An example of this would be container deposit legislation (something that may be outlawed in Australia if the American Free Trade agreement goes ahead - perish the thought.) Container deposit works by making the consumer pay for the container, a real price. The tax is refundable when the container is returned, & the deposit refunded. If the container is not returned, the tax helps pay for the containers recycling/or disposal. The same cost can be built into consumer items, so the recycling cost is paid by the original consumer. This can apply to cars, white goods etc. I think this is a valid way to charge consumers for the use of resources. regards Doug On Sun, 28 Dec 2003 02:56 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I enjoy reading the opinions expressed in this group, but I sometimes have > a sense of unease, not about energy sources but about the people. > > They seem to say: I know better than you do what is best for you, and that > justifies using force and theft (eg. taxes) to make you do what is good for > you (eg. concerve energy). Essentially every tryrant in history, from > Ceasar to Stalin to Pol Pot to (insert favorite congressman) has used that > justification (I know better than you do...) to stifle freedom. > > It may be that you do know better than I. However, the ends do not justify > the means (government coercion, loss of property rights, etc.). Further, > the one-size fits-all solution never works. Example, I live in "the City > of Fountains" which feels no need to save water. The government in > Washington DC has decreed that toilets use less than two gallons of water, > not five. Unfortunately, said toilets often need to be flushed three times > (using 6 gal.)to dispose of what the former toilets disposed of using only > 5 gal. But then, I doubt there is a single congressman who understands > plumbing. But, he knows better, not because of brain power but because of > a lust for power. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuels list archives: > http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Nothing ... it's people Was: What's wrong with corporati...
In a message dated 12/27/2003 11:34:53 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What they found was that most people would undergo a > > sacrifice, even a monetary sacrifice, in order to demonstrate their > > natural generosity so that someone they didn't know, hadn't met and > > never would meet would have a higher opinion of them. And further tests along those lines showed that people are much more likely to give if they think that by doing so they can spend someone else's money, the old familiar "If you pledge in the next hour, XXX will match your contribution." The obvious example is congressional pork barrel spending, spending "someone else's" money (taxes) so someone would have a higher opinion, and perhaps vote for, the spender.. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] ETHANOL AS RENEWABLE ENERGY SOLUTION
Luis, Thank you for the nice judgement, my background is energy transmission and comfort in building constructions. Within that field, me and my partners have quite unique amount of knowledge and experiences. We have also been involved with electricity generation. When it comes to Ethanol I have distilled quite a lot in my younger days, but we did not exactly used it for transportation. -:)) http://energysavingnow.com/ Anyone who deals with energy, cannot do that without learning and coming to an understanding of energy sources. You are much more knowledgeable in this field and it is more natural if I asked you questions. My, experiences from sugar cane is very limited, although I visited plantations for growth and production. This is probably not so common for a Swede, since sugar cane is exotic for us. The common sugar source in Nordic countries is sugar beat. Your yield numbers seem to be very impressive, but I might not have an understanding enough to relate them. Keith is probably very much more authoritative in this and have a lot more knowledge in agriculture. As numbers, they impress me and with such very high yields, it looks like an opportunity for quite profitable industries built around ethanol fuel. I belive very strongly that biofuels will enable many more countries to build strong economies. It will for sure create a more level playing field for world businesses. I have followed a quite interesting development in Sweden, who started a program for diesel replacement with bio-ethanol in city buses around 10 years ago. It has been quite successful and today most inner city buses in Sweden, use bio-ethanol. For me, the current development towards energy efficiency and alternative sources is very exiting. If you have more valuable information around this, in form of articles and education material, I would be happy if I could publish it on our web site, I am pretty sure that Keith would say the same. Hakan At 05:07 27/12/2003, you wrote: >Dear Hakan: > >Since I regard you as a respected authority in energy matters, I >would like to present the following scenario for your comment: > >Subject: Fuel ethanol > >1- In Colombia we can produce sugar cane crops equivalent to 240 >MT cane/Ha/year with total sugar content of 22% in juice. > >2- The above stated yield translates into around 20,000 (twenty >thousand liters ethanol/Ha/Year > >3- 20,000 liter ethanol = 5,291 gallons ethanol/Ha/year > >4- 5,291 gallons ethanol = 3,527 gallons gasoline in BTU's content > @ 76,000 BTU Gal Ethanol Vs. 114,000 BTU Gal for gasoline > >5- 3,527 Gals gasoline = 84 barrels gasoline/Ha/Year > >By improving the present sugar cane yields around the world we >might find a substantial contribution to a sustainable source of >energy to power cars, trucks, tractors, locomotives and what-have-you. > >Could you review the numbers and give us your opinion? > >I may add, we have the technology to increase sugar cane yields >everywhere in the world...It has been proven in Colombia during >the last decade, and it is applicable around the world with equal >success, provided irrigation is available. Otherwise, lower yields/Ha would >be expected. > >Thanks in advance for your review and comments. > >Best regards and a wonderful 2004, > >Luis R. Calzadilla >VP Operations >Fundacin Sugar Cane Research Org. >Cali, Colombia >Tel (572) 557-0627 >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >[EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re:was: opinions on US energy NOW: floaters
on 12/27/03 10:31 AM, Appal Energy at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Almost any garden variety physician will tell you > that there are ~5 liquid flushes to one solid flush. > Even if that solid flush has to be repeated twice or > thrice, the water savings per person per day is still > 50%. So you get caught with a floater once in awhile. > Good! Gives all the more pause to reflect on waste... Indeed! And the specific Quality of it... have you been eating too much CHEESE lately! You know yer cholesterol is ALREADY high!:-) Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Exactly my point Was: Slave or slave ... your choice
See, that's why I don't understand your comments. You of all people understand that the Corporate and the Government are but two faces of the same complex. Why then are you asking "Government" ... to "take freedoms away" (if only from the "Corporate"). You know what "Government" would do! It'll only use that "public outcry" as an EXCUSE to (yeah, right) TAKE FREEDOM AWAY . from us "commoners". And all we'll have (cough, cough, cough) ... is more SLAVERY!! We don't need any more of THAT!! So let's "catch on" to the game they play. STOP MAKING PUBLIC OUTCRIES FOR GOVERNMENT REGULATIONS!! Stop giving the Government any more "excuses" for taking freedoms away!! Cause that's all it'll do. Does any one on this list even partially understand where I'm coming from?? Now, as far as decentrallize power ... I've ALWAYS been for that. Independence ... it's the Corporato/Government's worse enemy. And they know it. Give the addict the Methadone ... he kicks the habit. And the drug money stops rollin' in. As far as internet access, I don't have it ... cause I can't afford it. At the moment, I'm a full-on Corporate/Government Slave ... with Wage minus Rent equalling ZERO. Don't have any $$ remaining to afford internet. Currently fighting for independence which is why I enjoy this list so much!! Curtis - Make her feel special this coming holiday season with flowers www.flowerson55.com - Original Message - From: Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Why such a narrow range of options? The two are in each others' pockets, you might as well talk about the corporate-government complex. Especially in the US these days, but not only in the US, it's just much more extreme there right now. Curtis, I'm surprised that in this case at least you seem to have missed a major theme that runs through the discussions here. We're always talking about it: decentralise - localise, community-level, farm-scale - Small is Beautiful Curtis, one thing I did forget - why do you, of all people, not have Internet access??? Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Brittle Power
Keith, Dallas, and the List, RE 'The Media'; About 6 Mo. ago we supplemented our news input by buying a set and subscribing to SIRIUS satellite radio. Besides getting two channels of NPR programming (many talk/call-in shows [including The Diane Rheme (sp?) Show]), PRI(some Canadian slant), and BBC, there's World Radio Network (with 1/2-1 hr segments from national broadcast systems all over the World), plus music of your choice when news gets TOO MUCH. Previous to that, we only listened to our local NPR station. No TV. Plus our perusal of Net sources. Certainly, a wider variety of input yields a more comprehensive understanding of the world. Good Listening, Wynn Keith Addison wrote: > > Dallas Farnworth wrote: > > >Keith, > >And all others, > >I did not mean to offend any one. > >I agree, (as an an American) that the Americans have a VERY slanted > >view of the world. > > There are many who don't have a slanted view, however, and I believe > more and more are waking up to the big wide world beyond the US, and > to the fact that the US is part of that world. > > >Most of this comes from our media, Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] filters
hi, i think HYDRAULIC filters would work great for hot veg oil fuel filters. they love heat.have you ever walked up to a bucket truck and touched the filter or hydraulic lines, they are very hot from the pressures involved,and cooling the pump. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] your are right,keith
>50 words and a clear picture may stir interest,but it is not even a beggining. Sorry Ken, you've lost me - what does this refer to? Best Keith Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re:Water saving toilets
That's unnecessary. As a female in the US without a bidet, I can assure you that not all of us flush after each use. Even at the home of my sister who is married to an anti-environmentalist, they only flush on solids. Liquids and associated paper are accumulated until that time. I do the same at my house. It's just a case of awareness and commitment. In the case of my brother-in-law, it's cheapness (water is metered), but it has the same result. Anyone can adopt this practice, and those with indoor dogs can learn to put the lid down. Maud St. Louis, Missouri Caroline said: >technical, but females, at least in the USA where bidets are not standard, >typically use toilet paper, whether there is liquid or solid waste to be >disposed of, this makes all bathroom events solid waste, requiring multiple >flushing. Perhaps a better way would be to raise the low flush >requirement/design to 2 gallons or even better offer a grey water option >(that used more water, thus flushed the first time) to homeowners. This Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re:Water saving toilets
At 11:22 PM 12/27/2003 +, you wrote: >Almost any garden variety physician will tell you that there are ~5 liquid >flushes to one solid flush. Even if that solid flush has to be repeated >twice or thrice, the water savings per person per day is still 50%. So you >get caught with a floater once in awhile. Good! Gives all the more pause to >reflect on waste rather than simply being an adherant to the gospel of "out >of sight, out of mind." LOL- you cracked me up, had to share that one! I must confess I have been unthinking on the water saving issue. I live with a well/ septic system and have always felt since it gets used and then gets deposited back into the ground to filter down and began again the worry about water "shortage" seemed concern that could be spent better elsewhere. However, being as I hate wasting on principle, and over processing in particular, your reminder about waste treatment in urban areas is a pressing concern. But I wonder if it works as you suggest above or more like the first poster suggested. Not to get too crudely technical, but females, at least in the USA where bidets are not standard, typically use toilet paper, whether there is liquid or solid waste to be disposed of, this makes all bathroom events solid waste, requiring multiple flushing. Perhaps a better way would be to raise the low flush requirement/design to 2 gallons or even better offer a grey water option (that used more water, thus flushed the first time) to homeowners. This would give an incentive to install grey water systems, reusing shower/tub water and yet still make a dent in the overall water consumption. This would of course be impractical for commercial spaces where grey water is more unavailable. Funny thing is we were just discussing this last night as I try to save some of the shower water that falls to the side and use it in just this way, we were trying to come up with a more automatic system. Caroline Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] ETHANOL AS RENEWABLE ENERGY SOLUTION
Dear Hakan and dear Membership: Thanks very much for your comments. Your invitation write a document for your web site is appreciated and I shall begin to prepare one just as soon as possible. Finally, many countries of the world have understood that ethanol is an alternative fuel that has the potential to extend the dwindling oil reserves. Later on, fuel ethanol could play an important role in powering a large part of the world's fleet of vehicles, when neat ethanol engines become available. I think that Brazil leads the world in the manufacture of this type of engine. The example I posted on ethanol, when translated into simpler terms it means: 1- The production of 20,000 liters ethanol (= 400 million BTUs) /Ha/Year, while, at the same time, by following the GADA Sugar Cane Production System, the soil's fertility is improved, the organic matter content in the soil is increased and the chemical fertilizer input is reduced, plus some other benefits- 2- 15 MT carbon/Ha contained in the crop residues are burried into the soil with each crop, that is, moved from the atmosphere into the soil, 3- 36 MT bagasse (dry weight)/Ha are left over for conversion into bagasse derivatives, such as: Panel board, paper, cellulose, glucose nitrocellulose, xylitol, etc. 4- From the fuel ethanol distillery other useful co-products are obtained: a) About 18,000 kg of carbon dioxide/Ha/Year are produced from the fermentation process and available for several industrial applications, b) Dehydrated or concentrated high-grade organic fertilizer is obtained from the vinasse efluent, c) Spent yeast cells can be used for animal feed. I think the above data suffices to demonstrate the immense benefits afforded by sugar cane production when it is grown under a proven scientific, sensible and sustainable way. We are not short of alternative fuels... all we need is to put novel ideas to work. Best regards to you and to all Forum members, Luis R. Calzadilla VP Operations Fundacin Sugar Cane Research Org. Cali, Colombia Tel (572) 557-0627 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] GM Injection Pumps on eBay
I ran across this in an eBay search, and thought I'd post it. The seller is aparently BARELY literate, but hopefully you can figure out what he's saying. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2449871529&category=33553 AP Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: International biodiesel people!
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello Luisa > > I'm also a journalist, focusing on many things, including biofuels, > and I'm the list owner. You're welcome to ask, but I think we'd all > much rather such exchanges took place on-list, not off-list direct to > you, so that all the list members could share in it and the responses > would be in the archives for later reference. In fact that's > something of a policy here, with general group support - the list is > for sharing. > > Thanks > > Keith Addison > List owner > Keith I appreciate you including my message even though it wasn't exactly the format of this biodiesel group. I believe that sharing information is important, as long as it's not a long list of boring details that only pertain to one reader. thanks Luisa Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Grey water alternative
At 09:46 AM 12/28/03 -0500, Caroline wrote: >Perhaps a better way would be to raise the low flush >requirement/design to 2 gallons or even better offer a grey water option >(that used more water, thus flushed the first time) to homeowners. Just a note on our experience with installing a grey water system. I live as part of an intentional community that's committed to researching and developing sustainable systems. http://www.windward.org/ Our current main construction project is our new dining hall; it's fitted out with both black and grey septic systems. The grey system required twice as large a drain field as the black, something which ate up a lot of yard space and a goodly chunk of the budget. We do all the plumbing work ourselves, but if you were hiring it done, the expense of running double systems would also raise the cost of an installation considerably. The extra capital cost was okay, since a dozen people can afford to do things that a couple might not be able to fund, and we're committed to modeling effective systems, but it did impress upon us that there's a notable capital cost to these alternatives. Our impression is that it's more cost effective to set up a cistern to catch rainwater and use that for grey purposes. Most houses are already rain-collecting devices, so it's just a matter of routing rainspout feeds into a holding tank. It wouldn't be enough in all seasons, but it would provide a substantial portion of non-potable needs for much of the year. FWIW, our sheep don't like the taste of the lush grass grown with grey water. Walt Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] filters
charles wrote: > hi, i think HYDRAULIC filters would work great for hot veg oil fuel > filters. they love heat.have you ever walked up to a bucket truck > and touched the filter or hydraulic lines, they are very hot from > the pressures involved,and cooling the pump. That's an idea, certainly. Can you get hydraulic filters, preferably the cleanable metal kind, as fine as 5 microns? Or, preferably, 2 microns? The finest hydraulic filter I've seen was 30 microns. AP Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuels-biz] Bacteria that decompose oil found
This is a bit old, but may be interesting to some Season's Greetings Ken Bacteria that decompose oil found Tuesday, May 09, 2000 BOGOR, West Java (JP): Researchers of the Bogor Institute of Agriculture (IPB) have discovered five species of bacteria that they say are capable ofdecomposing fossil oil. The discovery raises hopes for combating the pollution caused by oilspills. The bacteria consist of five species that the researchers have selected from hundreds of species living in the peatland of Central Kalimantan, an environment they call a "black water" ecosystem. They identify the five bacteria as Pseudomonas stutzeri, Pseudomonas diminuta, Bacillus panthotenticus, Bacillus circulans and Klebsiella edwardsii. Reports of the discovery were mentioned in the October 1999 issue of Jurnal Ilmu Tanah dan Lingkungan (Journal of Science on Soil and Environment) published by IPB. Dr. Iswandi Anas, head of the Soil Biology Laboratory at the institute, says research has been conducted since 1996, coinciding with the implementation of the one million peat farm project in Central Kalimantan. The research was done out of growing concern for the many cases of environmental pollution caused by oilspills. "If crude oil spills out of a tanker, it will invariably pollute the sea and coastline and cause a lot of damage to the environment," he said. He also said that oilspills happen on land as well, due to the leakage ofpipelines, oil storage and accidents involving trucks carrying oil. Crude oil, according to Iswandi Anas, contains a large quantity of phenol. The phenol compound is also found on peatland, especially in the black water ecosystem. The ecosystem's name is derived from the color of water found in the peatland. The ecosystem, he said, is unique. The phenol content is high. The compound is toxic and easily dissolves in water. "Organisms usually cannot live in an environment with a high phenol content. But there are organisms which can adapt themselves well and which even use phenol as their main source of energy," said Iswandi. Apart from the high phenol content, he said, the acid level (pH) of the water on the peatland was low, about three. The effect of this is that onlya limited number of organisms can live in the area. "Organisms generally live at about 5-7 pH," he said. The black water ecosystem is rare in our world. In Indonesia, it is foundonly in Central Kalimantan, Musi Banyuasin in South Sumatra and Jambi. "Because the ecosystem is rare, the organisms in it are often unique," hesaid. Soil samples of the ecosystem were taken to find out what types of microorganisms could adapt themselves. "We found hundreds of bacteria species in the soil samples," he said. "The bacteria species were separated and then cultured." The selected bacteria were tested in soil mixed with crude oil and soil mixed with diesel oil. The microorganisms were able to decompose 48 percentof the crude oil and 64 percent of the diesel oil within 21 days. "These results illustrate that the bacteria not only degrades phenol but natural oil, too. The other compounds of natural oil were also degraded," he said. Mohamad Sri Saeni, an IPB environmental chemistry expert, says that following up of the discovery is urgent considering the frequent incidents of oilspills. "People living in industrial areas and near oil storage facilities are particularly at risk," he says. A recent survey in East Jakarta of industrial areas found that wells are often contaminated by oil waste. __ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuels-biz/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] Bacteria that decompose oil found
Ken, Great info! Thank You, J. Curtis Cheney, VII Ken Gotberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This is a bit old, but may be interesting to some Season's Greetings Ken Bacteria that decompose oil found Tuesday, May 09, 2000 BOGOR, West Java (JP): Researchers of the Bogor Institute of Agriculture (IPB) have discovered five species of bacteria that they say are capable ofdecomposing fossil oil. The discovery raises hopes for combating the pollution caused by oilspills. The bacteria consist of five species that the researchers have selected from hundreds of species living in the peatland of Central Kalimantan, an environment they call a "black water" ecosystem. They identify the five bacteria as Pseudomonas stutzeri, Pseudomonas diminuta, Bacillus panthotenticus, Bacillus circulans and Klebsiella edwardsii. Reports of the discovery were mentioned in the October 1999 issue of Jurnal Ilmu Tanah dan Lingkungan (Journal of Science on Soil and Environment) published by IPB. Dr. Iswandi Anas, head of the Soil Biology Laboratory at the institute, says research has been conducted since 1996, coinciding with the implementation of the one million peat farm project in Central Kalimantan. The research was done out of growing concern for the many cases of environmental pollution caused by oilspills. "If crude oil spills out of a tanker, it will invariably pollute the sea and coastline and cause a lot of damage to the environment," he said. He also said that oilspills happen on land as well, due to the leakage ofpipelines, oil storage and accidents involving trucks carrying oil. Crude oil, according to Iswandi Anas, contains a large quantity of phenol. The phenol compound is also found on peatland, especially in the black water ecosystem. The ecosystem's name is derived from the color of water found in the peatland. The ecosystem, he said, is unique. The phenol content is high. The compound is toxic and easily dissolves in water. "Organisms usually cannot live in an environment with a high phenol content. But there are organisms which can adapt themselves well and which even use phenol as their main source of energy," said Iswandi. Apart from the high phenol content, he said, the acid level (pH) of the water on the peatland was low, about three. The effect of this is that onlya limited number of organisms can live in the area. "Organisms generally live at about 5-7 pH," he said. The black water ecosystem is rare in our world. In Indonesia, it is foundonly in Central Kalimantan, Musi Banyuasin in South Sumatra and Jambi. "Because the ecosystem is rare, the organisms in it are often unique," hesaid. Soil samples of the ecosystem were taken to find out what types of microorganisms could adapt themselves. "We found hundreds of bacteria species in the soil samples," he said. "The bacteria species were separated and then cultured." The selected bacteria were tested in soil mixed with crude oil and soil mixed with diesel oil. The microorganisms were able to decompose 48 percentof the crude oil and 64 percent of the diesel oil within 21 days. "These results illustrate that the bacteria not only degrades phenol but natural oil, too. The other compounds of natural oil were also degraded," he said. Mohamad Sri Saeni, an IPB environmental chemistry expert, says that following up of the discovery is urgent considering the frequent incidents of oilspills. "People living in industrial areas and near oil storage facilities are particularly at risk," he says. A recent survey in East Jakarta of industrial areas found that wells are often contaminated by oil waste. __ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuels-biz/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Get your photo on the big screen in Times Square [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuels-biz/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTE
