Re: [biofuel] Glycerol Disposal
>In a message dated 02/16/2004 2:18:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, >[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >It should work. EPA-approved waste crankcase oil heaters burn at high >temps. Does it have a pre-heater and a pumped injection system that >vaporises the fuel? >Yes it does. I burns all types of oil. I just wanted to make sure it didn't >blow up or something like that. It would be mixed in with the crankcase oil >any way. > >Rick M >Brownstown, Mi. I can't see any reason that it would blow up. The methanol content would be an unusual component, even for "all types of oil", but it should be okay. Suggest try a bit first in a low-ratio mix with crankcase oil, then try increasing it a bit, step by step (as ever with something new). It'll be a lot easier if you use KOH, potassium hydroxide, instead of NaOH, sodium hydroxide. With KOH the by-product won't solidify, makes it a lot easier to work with. We run it through a 1/8" valve from the reservoir to the burner without pre-heating, in freezing temps. That's not the only reason we prefer KOH, we seldom use NaOH these days. Info on using KOH here: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make2.html#lye Make your own biodiesel - page 2: Journey to Forever Best Keith Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Briquette Presses
Hi @ all, sorry it took me a while to get back with the info about Briquette Presses My Unit is exposed at: www.spaenex.de go to delivery programme under Section 4 you find a description and a picture of my Press i have the 1.5m3 reservoir The Cost of this Unit may be arround Euro 20 000.00 you could find a used one for 5 to 10 000 Euros i am still working on finding Dealers,but sinze i had a cumputercrash i lost all my Data about Dealers. I have found two Manufacturers of Presses wich i would prefare in staed of mine,so bare with me,i will post there Info,soon i got them Fritz [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Boundless pollution: Asia's dirty air comes to the US West
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1505&ncid=1505&e=4&u=/ afp/20040215/ts_alt_afp/us_asia_environment_040215215827 Boundless pollution: Asia's dirty air comes to the US West Sun Feb 15, 4:58 PM ET SEATTLE, United States (AFP) - Though each country regulates its own air quality, the fact is that pollution knows no boundaries, and dirty air from Asia can easily hop the Pacific to pollute the western United States, experts here say, in calling for a global pollution solution. Jet stream-driven pollution from Asia can cross the ocean in a matter of days, with dramatic effect on the quality of air on the US West Coast, Daniel Jaffe, an environmental specialist at the University of Washington, Friday told the annual meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of Science (news - web sites). The starkest effects of this transpollution, he said, are an increase in the levels of ozone and fine particulate matter, well over limits set by the US Environmental Protection Agency (news - web sites) (EPA). Asian pollution can cross the Pacific on winds fed by a low pressure system over the Aleutian Islands off southwestern Alaska and a high pressure system near Hawaii in mid-Pacific, the combination of which propels Asian air masses to the US West Coast on experts call "a high-speed conveyor belt." "It's gone from a geophysical curiosity to a point where we can now say that, 'Yes, this occurs at large-enough levels occasionally that it can affect our air quality'," said Jaffe. Nives Dolsak, an international relations specialist at the University of Washington, said pollution generated in one country increasingly impinges on neighboring countries, but in some cases, countries thousands of miles away. "There is no one magic solution to international environmental problems," she said. "I believe actions need to be taken at all of these levels." Nives pointed to a current collaboration among Japan, South Korea (news - web sites), the United States and Canada to monitor pollution levels in China to predict when harmful pollution can impact on other countries, and to alert the concerned governments. She said Japan was the country worst affected by acid rain originating in China. "Many of the same activities that produce global climate change also cause the pollution that's coming here," said Nives. "At the federal level, we have decided not to get involved in global climate change policy, but the states and cities are doing a lot." She noted that the countries of Europe have for years been working to limit the effects of the pollution of one country on its neighbors, but that Europe is increasingly facing the problem of transatlantic pollution from North America. Accords between twin cities or regions on either sides of the oceans, she said, could be an effective solution. "We probably don't have to go east to Washington, D.C., before going west to Beijing," she said. "We have to explore what can be done at the sub-national level that has implications for the international community." Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Pollution: now cars set to be cleaner than rail
http://www.guardian.co.uk/waste/story/0,12188,1148613,00.html Guardian Unlimited | Special reports | Pollution: now cars set to be cleaner than rail Juliette Jowit Sunday February 15, 2004 The Observer Battered by criticism of high fares and poor services, Britain's railways could at least claim to be more environmentally-friendly than cars, producing lower levels of pollution. But not any more. Shocking new figures show that Britain's railways are losing their environmental advantage over the car, as cleaner, more efficient engines and fuel mean that, by at least one measure, diesel trains create more pollution. The news has alarmed rail industry chiefs, who fear that a Government already impatient with high costs and poor performance could cut support for the industry. 'Both cars and trucks are getting cleaner and the railway hasn't made very much progress at all over the same period,' said Malcolm Fergusson, senior fellow at the Institute of European Environmental Policy in London. 'There's no doubt road is catching up in terms of emissions and by some standards it could even have over taken it. Over the next decade it's very possible to argue road will be as good, possibly better.' In the past decade, toxic emissions of nitrogen oxides, particulates and sulphur from the British car fleet have halved as pollution from new cars has been slashed by 97 per cent due to advances in petrol, diesel and engines, driven by regulations to force the industry to 'green up'. At the same time, the European car industry has cut carbon dioxide by 13 per cent, and has promised to double that figure - although it may not meet that target because of the popularity of 'people carriers' and other bigger models. Longer term the motor industry hopes to introduce 'clean' engine vehicles: hybrid petrol-electric cars are already gaining popularity. Improvements on rail, however, have been much slower. Tougher European new engine regulations come into force in two years, but it would take decades to replace existing dirtier rolling stock. 'I don't think rail will ever completely lose its way... but old assumptions in rail [that] we were massively ahead in the emissions debate is no longer going to be the case,' said Adrian Lyons, director general of the Railway Forum industry lobby group. David Waboso, technical director of the government's Strategic Rail Authority, said the industry took the threat seriously. 'On carbon dioxide we're good, but on other issues we have got to look at the new generation of engines,' he said. 'What we have got to do is consistently remain competitive.' Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Glycerol Disposal
In a message dated 02/16/2004 2:18:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It should work. EPA-approved waste crankcase oil heaters burn at high temps. Does it have a pre-heater and a pumped injection system that vaporises the fuel? Yes it does. I burns all types of oil. I just wanted to make sure it didn't blow up or something like that. It would be mixed in with the crankcase oil any way. Rick M Brownstown, Mi. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Glycerol Disposal
>In a message dated 02/16/2004 11:47:33 AM Eastern Standard Time, >[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >Burning glycerine >If I understand this correctly, I can take the by product from the biodiesel. > That nasty looking stuff from the bottom of the processor and burn it in my >waste oil burner with no problem. I have a factory bought waste oil heater >that I burn all the crankcase oil from the trucks that I work on. Is this a >correct statement? > >Rick M >Brownstown, Mi. It should work. EPA-approved waste crankcase oil heaters burn at high temps. Does it have a pre-heater and a pumped injection system that vaporises the fuel? Try it and see, please tell us what happens. Best Keith Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Glycerol Disposal
The quick answer is no. Glycerin is a very viscous liquid, and the solidification point varies with the soap in it, the residual alcohol, and the completeness of the reaction. It is sometimes solid at 65 degrees F. What's more, it is dirty until it is at least partially refined. If there is no methanol recovery, it will have a volatile component and a refractive component. Glycerin flash point is over 800 degrees, and a waste oil burner will burn the volatile part, but not the refractive part, which will quickly gum up the works. If glycerin is burned without enough air it may form a poisonous acroline compound. If you look at the structure of a glycerin molecule you will see three carbon-oxygen double bonds, which are hard to break and take a lot of energy input. Carbon-oxygen double bonds are effectively carbon monoxide, meaning that the molecule is effectively partially burned already, and has a relatively low heat value per pound. A good glycerin burner handles a semi solid well, or preheats until it is a liquid. It has a fire starter of some other fuel, hopefully biodiesel or WVO, to get it up to temperature so the glycerin will burn. Then it has enough insulation to maintain this temperature, or at least has minimal heat withdrawal so the fire is not extinguished. It also has adequate air for clean combustion. I had to build this system because no standard burner does these things well. It is a masonry heater with a babington burner for a fire starter, burning WVO, and a secondary fuel feed for the glycerin. There are no visible emissions, and I hope that indicates a clean burn. Tom Leue In a message dated 2/16/04 1:30:45 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > In a message dated 02/16/2004 11:47:33 AM Eastern Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Burning glycerine > If I understand this correctly, I can take the by product from the > biodiesel. > That nasty looking stuff from the bottom of the processor and burn it in my > waste oil burner with no problem.I have a factory bought waste oil heater > that I burn all the crankcase oil from the trucks that I work on.Is this a > correct statement? > > Rick M > Brownstown, Mi. > - Homestead Inc. www.yellowbiodiesel.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] wvo collection in ca.
Ambitious news reporters love these type of stories.Reporters also can discover just how excited celeberties are about saving the planet when they ask their help on a story like this.Throw a little fuel on the fire. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] BD in San Dimas
I'll be visiting in San Dimas (near Ontario, CA) between the 16th and 19th. is there anyone in the area that would be willing to show off their site? I'll be busy during the day with work, but evenings will be free. I'd be especially interested in seeing and discussing the acid/base process. thanks, da Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Glycerol Disposal
In a message dated 02/16/2004 11:47:33 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Burning glycerine If I understand this correctly, I can take the by product from the biodiesel. That nasty looking stuff from the bottom of the processor and burn it in my waste oil burner with no problem. I have a factory bought waste oil heater that I burn all the crankcase oil from the trucks that I work on. Is this a correct statement? Rick M Brownstown, Mi. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: [evworld] Ford attacked on fuel policy
Murdoch, et. al.: You write that: h therefore came to see it as naive to put much stock in Bill Ford's "environmentalist" credentials. As someone who is spearheading a grassroots campaign against Ford, I totally agree. I don know that I trust Bill Ford farther than I can throw him. That said, he should be held to his nvironmentalpronouncements, even if (or especially if!) they are just greenwashing. It a matter of rhetoric versus reality. We all know the reality: Ford vehicles are gruesome gas-guzzlers, and according to the EPA Ford cars and trucks get the worst fuel economy of the seven major auto makers. At the same time, Ford likes to say he is an environmentalist and wants to create an nvironmental car company,whatever that means. I think that as advocates, it our job to hold Ford to its PR copy. If they want to say theye an environmental enterprise, fine: But they have to actually prove it through their actions. They have to walk the walk instead of just talking the talk. ... This, I think, is the first step toward corporate accountability. ... For more info about ongoing campaigns against Ford, check out http://www.jumpstartford.com. All best Jason Mark Clean Car Campaigner Global Exchange on 2/11/04 8:28 AM, murdoch at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > http://www.detnews.com/2004/autosinsider/0402/06/c01-57178.htm > >> >California-based Blue Water Network spearheaded this ad campaign in >> >response to Ford's pledge in 2000 to improve SUV fuel economy. > > [...] > >> >Ford pledged in July 2000 that the company would improve the fuel >> >economy of its SUVs by 25 percent over five years. General Motors >> >Corp. and DaimlerChrysler AG made similar pledges soon afterward. > > [...] > >> > >> >The fuel economy of Ford's light truck lineup was 20.3 mpg for the >> >2002 model year, the last year for which the government has published >> >complete data. Under federal regulations, an automaker's fleet of >> >light trucks must average 20.7 mpg in the 2004 model year. That >> >requirement will rise to 22.2 mpg by 2007. Cars must average 27.5 mpg. >> > >> >You can reach Jeff Plungis at (202) 906-8204 or [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > At the time of the 2000 pledges, I tried doing some of the math. I think the > 25 > percent improvement that Ford pledged was the bare minimum or close to it, and > that this came out within a tenth of a gallon. I recall doing the math, and I > was surprised to find that the pledge that Ford was making was not some huge > ambitious thing to be proud of so much as the bare legal requirement. I'm not > sure if anyone has ever officially seconded these calculations or publicly > taken > notice of the matter. Ford's pledge was *nothing* so far as I could see. > They > were doing basically what all of us do every year about this time, which is > drag > our time, kicking and screaming, to comply with the law and take our legally > required actions. > > I therefore came to see it as naive to put much stock in Bill Ford's > "environmentalist" credentials. This is not to say that he hasn't convinced > himself that he means well. I just mean that I did not and do not foresee > making mileage or environmental precaution, a priority any time soon. He's > made > it pretty clear, explicitly, that there are other priorities for the company. > > Sure, Environmental PR seems to be a big priority, but the underlying > environmental effort seems to be a priority only insofar as it's easier to do > PR > if there's a grain of truth left in it. > > Ford's modest mileage efforts (alongside their failure to oppose the > market-skewing anti-competitive tax breaks for the purchase of giant gas > guzzlers) does not address the issue of fuel-types. The only fuels that can > power new Ford Vehicles are fossil fuels. The only exception is that E-85 can > power a Ford Flex-Fuel Vehicle and B100 could power a Ford Diesel (though I > don't know if Ford has lifted a finger to maker an effort to help keep such > vehicles under warranty if B100 is used). > > Also, Ford conspicuously cancelled the Think City EV program despite evidence > of > demand (including the fact that when I went for a Test Drive, to do an > article, > there were none on the lot because the dealer had leased every one out). Such > vehicles as the Think City get excellent mileage per "gallon equivalent" and > if > they were sold by the Automakers, and included in mileage calculations, I > think > they could provide some excellent help in making their CAFE-required mileage > numbers. > > But, apparently, the Automakers are so completely against making available a > non-fossil-fuel-powered vehicle that they will not make the effort to fight to > have such vehicles included in the CAFE mileage calculations (I don't know if > they are basically because such vehicles have never been made widely > available) > and then take advantage of the good mileage to help meet these supposedly > problematic CAFE requiremen
Re: [biofuel] Re: WVO pickup problems in CA
I can't say if this will help but you may not be subject to laws in this regard because you are not a business. I know that laws are more strict in California but in many places individuals have more flexibility than businesses. Hope that will help. Bill Clark - Original Message - From: "mcgeough65" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 6:43 AM Subject: [biofuel] Re: WVO pickup problems in CA > Chuck, > > Here is some generic advice that I hope will be useful and applicable > in this situation. > > Often bureaucrats say things that are not quite exact, especially if > said statement enhances his or her authority and power, or makes his > or her job easier, etc. Now, perhaps it's true in this instance that > licenses are required, and there may be severe penalties for non- > compliance, but I would take the time to read the actual statute. > > Most state laws are available on line. See what they say. What is > the exact act that enables this agency? Which acts define the scope > and power of this agency? And most importantly, which acts specify > the penalties of enforcement. Are you risking life in prison or a > $10 fine for violations of said statutes? (Believe it or not, > sometimes no penalties whatsoever are specified.) > > Foremost, take the time to read the laws yourself. Print out hard > copies. Put them in front of friends and collegues and ask them to > read and interpret them as well. If you can read the language in > which these laws are written, you will amaze yourself with the > understanding that you can achieve from such a research effort. > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuels list archives: > http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: WVO pickup problems in CA
On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 16:04:56 -0800, you wrote: >It appears that we have legal problems with collecting waste vegetable oil in >California. A friend began collecting all of the WVO of a local restaurant. >The restaurant told their rendering pick up service that their services were >no longer needed. The rendering company then reported my friend to the Meat & >Poultry Inspection Division of the California Department of Food and >Agriculture. This branch registers and monitors transporters of inedible >kitchen grease. The branch contacted my friend and told him he had to have a >rendering license ($800 per year) or if he was transporting for a rendering >company, then he needed a $75 license per vehicle and must appropriately label >the vehicle. They also informed him that they would prosecute him if he >continued. > >Here is the government website http://www.cdfa.ca.gov/ahfss/mpi/ > >This looks like a major problem in California and perhaps in some other >states. Anybody have any ideas? I don't have a solution for you, but it's worth stating that this seems like the tip of the iceberg, in terms of inaction by legislators who say they are in favor of alternative fuels, conservation, improved environment, more jobs, entrepeneurial business-starters, free-market-behaviour, etc. etc. blah blah blah, but then do nothing and say nothing when the myriad opportunities arise to take action improve state laws. They are in a unique position to take action, and yet most of of them do zip. They wrongly define their jobs as staying out of trouble rather than as coming up with innovative creative solutions. They should be active in finding and spoting bottlenecks to our society's progress, and they should make a best-effort to bring attention to those bottlenecks and fix them. So, my suggestion however mundame it may sound, in addition to whatever more productive suggestions you may get, will be to publicize the silent struggle this person is having, so that legislators, and media-people, know that in the court of public opinion, some will hold them accountable for their incompetent unprofessional silence. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Newbe questions
Hello Lillie, welcome >I just discovered the wealth of information about biodiesel and am beside >myself with excitement! There seems to be a large number of really smart >people sharing their discoveries and I am very, very grateful. Thanks >everyone! > >We don't have any diesel equipment yet but will be buying a tractor this >spring. We have 75 acres of woods and will have plenty of room to do all >kinds of stuff but it will take some time to get a retirement home built >with an out building for processing. We will probably buy some commercial >fuel at the start which will give us some nicely labeled storage tanks. I'd >like to get diesel everything! Good for you! >I imagine that WVO can get very rank. It can, eventually, but I think most people use it up quite fast rather than storing it for very long. Sometimes it's very rank when you get it. :-( You can still make biodiesel with it though (while looking for a better source of oil). >How do people deal with that? What >about the sludge that comes from prefiltering it; compost it, burn it or >both? We compost it. (We burn the glycerine by-product, for heating, and for pre-heating the oil prior to processing.) >I bet we'll be buying the WVO in the future as more and more people >get into this. It won't take donors long to realize they can not only get >rid of the waste but recover some of their cost as well. Only about 10% of the supply is accounted for in the US and the rest wasted in one way or another - same for the other industrialised countries. With BSE (Mad Cow Disease) the demand for WVO is likely to go down - a major reuse is as livestock feed, but it usually contains animal fats and there's growing resistance to this practice. >With the Foolproof Method, is there any way to shorten the 3 week standing >time for clarification with extra processing? That doesn't only apply to the Foolproof method. To clarify (dry) biodiesel made by any method, after finishing the wash, try heating it to 45 deg C (113F), if it goes cloudy again do it a second time, but it shouldn't go cloudy after the first time - it would mean you should improve your processing. You'll accomplish the same end in little more time without using more energy for heating by letting it stand in the sunshine for a while. Please note that the "Foolproof" acid-base two-stage method is an advanced process, not for novices. Start here: "Where do I start?" http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html#start >Finally, what do people use to accurately measure larger quanties of the raw >materials? Measuring small quantities for test batches is more exacting, larger batches are easy. For larger quantities we use postal scales to weigh the lye, it measures up to 800 grams accurately, and we pre-measured and marked various containers for methanol and WVO. Best wishes Keith >Lillie Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Glycerol Disposal
>Hi >Any one have any solution for safe environmentally >friendly disposal or recycling of Glycerol in the UK > >P.Reid > >= Quite a few people here say it's not a waste-product but a co-product, and therefore not a disposal problem. See: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_glycerin.html Glycerine: Journey to Forever General Burning glycerine Separating glycerine Purifying glycerine Paintbrush cleaner Soap Glop soap High-explosives Heart disease drug Love potion Safe sweetener Health supplement Preserving plants Photocopying Other uses Disposal Also, if you make a Turk-type burner, you can use it for heating the process, or at least pre-heating the oil (which we do). Best Keith Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Ethanol distillation
Can Jatropha oil cakes be used for the production of alcohol? Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: WVO pickup problems in CA
This sounds like this could become a problem, not just in CA. With more and more people starting to make their own fuel, the waste grease haulers may view this as losing their business. My opinion is that there should be more than enough grease around that they needn't worry. I would think that a restaurant does not have to divulge any information on who is picking up their waste grease. How did the waste grease hauler find out it was your friend that was picking up the grease and not some other waste grease company? Is there only one waste grease hauler in the area, or is there competition? In the future, if biodieselers have to pay for licenses for the transport of the grease back to their home for processing, it defeats one of the purposes of making biodiesel...self sufficiency. I would like to know what other members are saying about this. --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, "Chuck Cole" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It appears that we have legal problems with collecting waste vegetable oil in California. A friend began collecting all of the WVO of a local restaurant. The restaurant told their rendering pick up service that their services were no longer needed. The rendering company then reported my friend to the Meat & Poultry Inspection Division of the California Department of Food and Agriculture. This branch registers and monitors transporters of inedible kitchen grease. The branch contacted my friend and told him he had to have a rendering license ($800 per year) or if he was transporting for a rendering company, then he needed a $75 license per vehicle and must appropriately label the vehicle. They also informed him that they would prosecute him if he continued. > > Here is the government website http://www.cdfa.ca.gov/ahfss/mpi/ > > This looks like a major problem in California and perhaps in some other states. Anybody have any ideas? > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: WVO pickup problems in CA
Chuck, Here is some generic advice that I hope will be useful and applicable in this situation. Often bureaucrats say things that are not quite exact, especially if said statement enhances his or her authority and power, or makes his or her job easier, etc. Now, perhaps it's true in this instance that licenses are required, and there may be severe penalties for non- compliance, but I would take the time to read the actual statute. Most state laws are available on line. See what they say. What is the exact act that enables this agency? Which acts define the scope and power of this agency? And most importantly, which acts specify the penalties of enforcement. Are you risking life in prison or a $10 fine for violations of said statutes? (Believe it or not, sometimes no penalties whatsoever are specified.) Foremost, take the time to read the laws yourself. Print out hard copies. Put them in front of friends and collegues and ask them to read and interpret them as well. If you can read the language in which these laws are written, you will amaze yourself with the understanding that you can achieve from such a research effort. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Glycerol Disposal
Hi Any one have any solution for safe environmentally friendly disposal or recycling of Glycerol in the UK P.Reid = __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Slimmer $14 Bln Energy Bill Unveiled
http://www.planetark.com/dailynewsstory.cfm/newsid/23822/story.htm Slimmer $14 Bln Energy Bill Unveiled USA: February 16, 2004 WASHINGTON - Senate Republicans last week formally unveiled a slimmed-down, $14 billion energy bill after cutting a deal with Democrats for a swift vote on the stalled package when lawmakers return from a week-long holiday later this month. But Republican leaders in the House of Representatives - especially Majority Leader Tom DeLay - have promised a fight over their Senate colleagues' decision to drop legal liability protection for makers of a water-polluting gasoline additive. In a bid to break an impasse on the first major overhaul of U.S. energy policy in more than a decade, Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist introduced a stripped-down bill on Thursday, which sets the stage for a vote some time after Feb. 23. Progress came after Frist struck a deal with Minority Leader Tom Daschle to limit the number of amendments Democrats will offer to the bill. The new bill, which would double the use of corn-distilled ethanol in gasoline, replaces a proposed $31 billion bill laden with energy industry incentives that stalled in the Senate late last year. Republicans unveiled the text of the $14 billion, 1,242-page bill last week. It is largely similar to the previous draft they fashioned in November. The bulk of the savings in the bill's tax breaks come from delaying their effective date by a year. Republicans also sliced about $6.7 billion by dropping programs for energy efficiency, deep-water drilling and coastal restoration in Louisiana and other oil-producing states. The bill retains tax incentives to boost crude oil and natural gas production in the Gulf of Mexico and on federal lands, as well as federal loan guarantees to build a pipeline to carry natural gas from Alaska to the lower 48 states. House Republicans have accused Senate party members of walking away from a compromise reached in a House-Senate bargaining session last year on lawsuits over the gasoline additive MTBE, which is said to pollute ground water. "This was a carefully crafted deal and now they're trying to rip it up," said Frank Maisano, a lobbyist for some makers of MTBE. "You don't negotiate from a negotiated position." Provisions in the bill that would mandate a doubling of annual use of ethanol to 5 billion gallons (19 billion litres) over the next 10 years have given much of the impetus needed to keep the bill in play thus far. Daschle has supported the energy bill despite opposition from other Democrats because of the ethanol provisions, which would be a boost for corn growers in his home state of South Dakota. Daschle faces a tough race against former Republican Rep. John Thune for his Senate seat in the November elections. Opposition by Democrats and moderate Republicans to the MTBE legal protection - as well as budget-busting concerns in light of the bill's original $31 billion price tag - kept the bill stalled after Republicans failed by two votes in December to block a filibuster of the measure. Story by Chris Baltimore REUTERS NEWS SERVICE Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] WVO pickup problems in CA
It appears that we have legal problems with collecting waste vegetable oil in California. A friend began collecting all of the WVO of a local restaurant. The restaurant told their rendering pick up service that their services were no longer needed. The rendering company then reported my friend to the Meat & Poultry Inspection Division of the California Department of Food and Agriculture. This branch registers and monitors transporters of inedible kitchen grease. The branch contacted my friend and told him he had to have a rendering license ($800 per year) or if he was transporting for a rendering company, then he needed a $75 license per vehicle and must appropriately label the vehicle. They also informed him that they would prosecute him if he continued. Here is the government website http://www.cdfa.ca.gov/ahfss/mpi/ This looks like a major problem in California and perhaps in some other states. Anybody have any ideas? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Global Warming
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I mean that the article that is on the 'The Nature Institute website, > at: http://www.netfuture.org should be removed from public viewing. Thank you for your opinion, Dr. Lysenko... Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
