Re: [Biofuel] Bug Power

2005-06-07 Thread capt3d 
hmm, i don't know ammonia in gaseous form as a fertilizer (i guess i should 
add here the disclaimer that i'm barely even qualified to speak the word 
chemistry), unless something like bo peep ammonia is considered a gaseous 
form of 
ammonia, merely trapped in a solution.  but there is an ammonia-based 
fertilizing product known as 'formolene', amongst other trade names; basically 
used as 
a slow-release nitrogen.  slightly viscous; sort of oily in texture; stinks 
to high heaven.  comes in 55 gallon barrels, and has about a 30% ammonia 
content iirc.  i'm sure it's not less could it be higher?  been about a year 
since 
i've had cause to use the stuff and i'm already forgetting; maybe i was around 
those fumes too long!

cheers,

-chris

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 My mother in law keeps telling me I need to be careful about what I 
say around here, lest certain men in suits come looking for me with an 
extradition order . . .  (U.S. citizens aren't supposed to go to 
Cuba.)  Ammonia in gaseous form can be purchased from any welding 
supplier, or can be bought as ammonium hydrate, which I believe is a 
garden variety fertilizer.  I think the Home Power article discussed 
using ammonium hydrate.  It wouldn't be practical to have a big, off 
axis parabolic trough on my property, but that handy little gasifier I 
have could be scaled up.  Hmmm. . . 


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Re: [Biofuel] Rapeseed Biodiesel

2005-06-07 Thread Jan Warnqvist 



Hello Purbo.
It all depends on the car or the effort 
and interest put in by the car manufacturer. What kind of car do you have ? Nine 
times out of ten it´s a question of hosing.
With best regards
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  Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 2:44 
AM
  Subject: [Biofuel] Rapeseed 
  Biodiesel
  
  Dear All,
  
  I read the owner's manual 
  of my car whose engine is a Direct Injection Intercooled Turbo Diesel and 
  found out that biodiesel fuel made of rapeseed is not allowed to be used. Does 
  anybody knows the reason?
  
  Regards,
  Purbo J. W.
  
  

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Re: [Biofuel] Rapeseed Biodiesel

2005-06-07 Thread Purbo J. Wignjosajono 



Hi Jan,

Thank you for responding. My 
car is a 2001 Renault Scenic 1.9 dTi with a Direct Injection Intercooled Turbo 
Diesel engine. The manual mention that "rapeseed oil must not be used in any 
cirscumtance". I am not whether it is rapeseed oil or biodiesel made of rapeseed 
oil.

PJW

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  Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 1:56 
PM
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Rapeseed 
  Biodiesel
  
  Hello Purbo.
  It all depends on the car or the effort 
  and interest put in by the car manufacturer. What kind of car do you have ? 
  Nine times out of ten it´s a question of hosing.
  With best regards
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Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 2:44 
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Subject: [Biofuel] Rapeseed 
Biodiesel

Dear All,

I read the owner's 
manual of my car whose engine is a Direct Injection Intercooled Turbo Diesel 
and found out that biodiesel fuel made of rapeseed is not allowed to be 
used. Does anybody knows the reason?

Regards,
Purbo J. W.



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Re: [Biofuel] Rapeseed Biodiesel

2005-06-07 Thread Jan Warnqvist 



Hello Purbo.
I suggest that you ask your dealer what 
will happen if you fill biodiesel. Is it a question of rubber qualities 
orare there electric obstacles ? Some cars have a valve which closes if it 
does not recognize the incoming fuel as fuel.
Best regards
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  Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 12:24 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Rapeseed 
  Biodiesel
  
  Hi Jan,
  
  Thank you for responding. 
  My car is a 2001 Renault Scenic 1.9 dTi with a Direct Injection Intercooled 
  Turbo Diesel engine. The manual mention that "rapeseed oil must not be used in 
  any cirscumtance". I am not whether it is rapeseed oil or biodiesel made of 
  rapeseed oil.
  
  PJW
  
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Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 1:56 
PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Rapeseed 
Biodiesel

Hello Purbo.
It all depends on the car or the 
effort and interest put in by the car manufacturer. What kind of car do you 
have ? Nine times out of ten it´s a question of hosing.
With best regards
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  From: 
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  Wignjosajono 
  To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 2:44 
  AM
  Subject: [Biofuel] Rapeseed 
  Biodiesel
  
  Dear All,
  
  I read the owner's 
  manual of my car whose engine is a Direct Injection Intercooled Turbo 
  Diesel and found out that biodiesel fuel made of rapeseed is not allowed 
  to be used. Does anybody knows the reason?
  
  Regards,
  Purbo J. 
  W.
  
  

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Re: [Biofuel] Bug Power

2005-06-07 Thread bob allen 
Robert, did you mean ammonium _nitrate_ not hydrate?  ammonium nitrate is a standard fertilizer, but 
also is the stuff used by McVay to blow up the federal building in Oklahoma City a few years back, 
therefore purchases of large amounts of the stuff is quite suspect!   Also farmers use large amount 
of anhydrous ammonia released from pressurized tanks and injected directly into the soil.  And 
another aside, anhydrous ammonia is regularly stolen by those who want to illegally manufacture 
methamphetamine.



robert luis rabello wrote:

Keith Addison wrote:



Does that mean you could just pee in it? LOL!



Perhaps we could develop a urine distillation unit to remove 
nitrogen and make our own NH3 with the help of a small scale 
electrolyzer. . .   The barn litter I use for my garden off gases a LOT 
of ammonia when it's fresh.  If I could figure out how to collect it, 
I'd have ammonia for free!



Well, at least it's a sustainable and renewable source. If you go out 
trying to buy loads of ammonia isn't there a fair chance you might end 
up in Gitmo?



My mother in law keeps telling me I need to be careful about what I 
say around here, lest certain men in suits come looking for me with an 
extradition order . . .  (U.S. citizens aren't supposed to go to Cuba.)  
Ammonia in gaseous form can be purchased from any welding supplier, or 
can be bought as ammonium hydrate, which I believe is a garden variety 
fertilizer.  I think the Home Power article discussed using ammonium 
hydrate.  It wouldn't be practical to have a big, off axis parabolic 
trough on my property, but that handy little gasifier I have could be 
scaled up.  Hmmm. . .



That's okay, but I stop somewhere short of pressure pumps and vacuum 
pumps.



The need for a pressure vessel complicates things.  I've been 
looking into destructive biomass distillation to generate methane gas 
for some time.  Our house is heated with natural gas, and it sure would 
be nice to fire that little boiler of ours (34 000 btu!) with bio 
methane. In addition, a gas fuel conversion to my truck is well within 
my mechanical capabilities, and the machine is already supercharged. 
(Gas fuel would require me to bump up the boost somewhat, but that's NOT 
a problem!)  I only need about 200 km of range anyway.



We had one of those at our farm in Wiltshire years ago, we wondered 
why everyone didn't have one. It didn't have a solar access tracker, 
but it didn't use much power, and it was quiet.



Can you tell us more about that?



I think you're onto something Robert.



As long as I'm not ON something. . .  I can think of many ways to 
integrate energy production / usage.  I have information about 
innovative solar heat storage, heliostats, trough and fresnel 
concentrators, plasma reformers, anaerobic methane digestion, AFEX, 
ethanol distillation, wood gasification, electrolysis and biological 
production of hydrogen, steam power and organic rankine cycle engines 
that have never been put into practice, except for the steam, which I 
did as a project with my students many years ago.  Much of this requires 
time (which I have right now) and money (which I don't), so nothing gets 
done.



This all sounds doable, sort of, and AFAIK, short of industrial 
megabucks or nonavailable tailored bugs the only other doable way of 
crunching cellulose into ethanol is with sulphuric acid, which seems 
crude by comparison.



In my case, because I'm living in Canada, distilling ethanol remains 
out of the question.  It's simply not legal for an individual, and since 
I'm a guest in this country, I don't want to make a fuss about such a 
silly regulation.  However, the AFEX process has an elegance about it 
that cannot be ignored.  It can probably be done quite nicely on a small 
scale.  The only trouble I see is that we're still stuck using 
cellulase, which has to be regularly bought from a chemical supply house 
(and isn't cheap), unless a clever person could find a way to culture 
trichoderma reesei and extract the enzyme from those marvelous little 
bacteria!



If you do unearth them eventually, if you send me the citations I 
might be able to get hold of better copies we could use.



I've been looking, but I can't find them!  A Google search of afex 
+ ammonia reveals some hits.




The paper you linked is dated Appl Biochem Biotechnol. 2005 Spring:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrievedb=pubmedd 
opt=Abstractlist_uids=15930586itool=iconabstrquery_hl=2

Pretreatment of Switchgrass by Ammonia Fiber Explosion (AFEX)

Would a full copy be helpful?



Yes!

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Re: [Biofuel] Rapeseed Biodiesel

2005-06-07 Thread Purbo J. Wignjosajono 



Jan,

I am currently doing it. I 
just want to have as much as information I can get. Thanks for your help. 
:-)

PJW

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  Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 5:42 
PM
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Rapeseed 
  Biodiesel
  
  Hello Purbo.
  I suggest that you ask your dealer what 
  will happen if you fill biodiesel. Is it a question of rubber qualities 
  orare there electric obstacles ? Some cars have a valve which closes if 
  it does not recognize the incoming fuel as fuel.
  Best regards
  Jan WarnqvistAGERATEC AB
  
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Wignjosajono 
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org 

Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 12:24 
PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Rapeseed 
Biodiesel

Hi Jan,

Thank you for 
responding. My car is a 2001 Renault Scenic 1.9 dTi with a Direct Injection 
Intercooled Turbo Diesel engine. The manual mention that "rapeseed oil must 
not be used in any cirscumtance". I am not whether it is rapeseed oil or 
biodiesel made of rapeseed oil.

PJW

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Jan Warnqvist 
  
  To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 1:56 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Rapeseed 
  Biodiesel
  
  Hello Purbo.
  It all depends on the car or the 
  effort and interest put in by the car manufacturer. What kind of car do 
  you have ? Nine times out of ten it´s a question of hosing.
  With best regards
  Jan WarnqvistAGERATEC AB
  
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
  + 46 554 201 89+46 70 499 38 45
  
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Wignjosajono 
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org 

Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 2:44 
AM
Subject: [Biofuel] Rapeseed 
Biodiesel

Dear 
All,

I read the owner's 
manual of my car whose engine is a Direct Injection Intercooled Turbo 
Diesel and found out that biodiesel fuel made of rapeseed is not allowed 
to be used. Does anybody knows the reason?

Regards,
Purbo J. 
W.



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Re: [Biofuel] Bug Power

2005-06-07 Thread robert luis rabello 

bob allen wrote:
Robert, did you mean ammonium _nitrate_ not hydrate?  ammonium nitrate 
is a standard fertilizer, but also is the stuff used by McVay to blow up 
the federal building in Oklahoma City a few years back, therefore 
purchases of large amounts of the stuff is quite suspect!


	I defer to your higher grasp of the subject.  I was thinking of the 
type of ammonia available in the hardware store when I was writing 
this.  It's partly ammonia and mostly water.  Thank you for clearing 
up my confusion.


 Also farmers 
use large amount of anhydrous ammonia released from pressurized tanks 
and injected directly into the soil.  And another aside, anhydrous 
ammonia is regularly stolen by those who want to illegally manufacture 
methamphetamine.


	When I was in college, I made a fluidyne water pump out of pipe that 
my neighbors SWORE was an ethanol still.  Campus security visited my 
apartment, then left, snickering and shaking their heads.  I can 
imagine trying to explain to the RCMP that my home built AFEX unit has 
nothing to do with methamphetamine . . .  :- )



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Re: [Biofuel] New York : DA Drops The Charges Against Carol Lang

2005-06-07 Thread Greg Harbican 
I believe allot of the problems surrounding this issue, comes from Articles
4 and 5 of the Geneva Convention.

@@

http://www.pchrgaza.org/Intifada/Protected_pers.conv.htm

Art. 4. Persons protected by the Convention are those who, at a given moment
and in any manner whatsoever, find themselves, in case of a conflict or
occupation, in the hands of a Party to the conflict or Occupying Power of
which they are not nationals.

Nationals of a State which is not bound by the Convention are not protected
by it. Nationals of a neutral State who find themselves in the territory of
a belligerent State, and nationals of a co-belligerent State, shall not be
regarded as protected persons while the State of which they are nationals
has normal diplomatic representation in the State in whose hands they are.

The provisions of Part II are, however, wider in application, as defined in
Article 13.

Persons protected by the Geneva Convention for the Amelioration of the
Condition of the Wounded and Sick in Armed Forces in the Field of 12 August
1949, or by the Geneva Convention for the Amelioration of the Condition of
Wounded, Sick and Shipwrecked Members of Armed Forces at Sea of 12 August
1949, or by the Geneva Convention relative to the Treatment of Prisoners of
War of 12 August 1949, shall not be considered as protected persons within
the meaning of the present Convention.


Art. 5. Where in the territory of a Party to the conflict, the latter is
satisfied that an individual protected person is definitely suspected of or
engaged in activities hostile to the security of the State, such individual
person shall not be entitled to claim such rights and privileges under the
present Convention as would, if exercised in the favour of such individual
person, be prejudicial to the security of such State.

Where in occupied territory an individual protected person is detained as a
spy or saboteur, or as a person under definite suspicion of activity hostile
to the security of the Occupying Power, such person shall, in those cases
where absolute military security so requires, be regarded as having
forfeited rights of communication under the present Convention.

In each case, such persons shall nevertheless be treated with humanity and,
in case of trial, shall not be deprived of the rights of fair and regular
trial prescribed by the present Convention. They shall also be granted the
full rights and privileges of a protected person under the present
Convention at the earliest date consistent with the security of the State or
Occupying Power, as the case may be.

@@

Basically a lawful combatant - those that follow the general customs of war
are going to be accorded protections of the Geneva Convention

@@

http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Lawful-combatant

Under the Geneva Conventions, persons waging war must have the following
four characteristics to be protected by the laws of war:

1)In uniform: Wear distinctive clothing making them recognizable as
soldiers from a distance.
2)Openly bearing arms: Carrying guns or small arms and not concealing
them.
3)Under officers: Obedient to a chain of command ending in a political
leader or government.
4)Fighting according to the laws of war: Not committing atrocities or
crimes, not deliberately attacking civilians or engaging in terrorism.

http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Illegal-combatant

Illegal combatant

Other descriptions of Illegal combatant

Unlawful combatant (also illegal combatant or unprivileged combatant)
describes a person who engages in combat without meeting the requirements
for a lawful belligerent according to the laws of war as specified in the
Third Geneva Convention. Countries that identify such unlawful combatants
may not necessarily accord them the rights of prisoners of war described in
the Third Geneva Convention, though they retain rights under the Fourth
Geneva Convention in that they must be treated with humanity and, in case
of trial, shall not be deprived of the rights of fair and regular trial.

The term has been around for at least 100 years and has been used in legal
literature, military manuals and case law. It was introduced into US
domestic law in 1942 by a United States Supreme Court decision in the case
ex parte Quirin
(http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=usvol=317invol=1).
In this case, the Supreme Court upheld the jurisdiction of a U.S. military
tribunal over the trial of several German saboteurs in the US. This decision
states (emphasis added and footnotes removed):

...the law of war draws a distinction between the armed forces and the
peaceful populations of belligerent nations and also between those who are
lawful and unlawful combatants. Lawful combatants are subject to capture and
detention as prisoners of war by opposing military forces. Unlawful
combatants are likewise subject to capture and detention, but in addition
they are subject to trial and punishment by military

Re: [Biofuel] New List

2005-06-07 Thread MANOJ 
hi guys i am from sri lanka what are u going to do with saw dust

Manoj

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 I could use some design photos and diagrams. I am trying to set up a
 fuel plant that will make 1000 gal per day from saw dust. How about the
 grant? How does that work? Any input much needed. Thanks, ron


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  Hi ron, I built a 10 inch stripper column in 1990  I then moved a 24
inch rectifier from a
  local oil refinary a ran for a while, selling my wet ethanol to a local
ethanol plant
  for upgrading to anhydrous, but then we got a new govener who took away
our state subsidies
  and my plant turned to scrapiron, at the time I was selling wet feed,
and feeding 800 hogs,
  the stripper and condenser rusted away so I cut it up.
  now I am in the pickeled quail egg business and I need to startup my
feed mill
  and install a pellet press so I can enlarge my quail operation.
  30 gallons of ethanol makes 1000 pounds of complete feed when the
distillers grains
  33% of the ration, so they kinda go together,
  for now I will use my 1000 gallon pot still to produce 75 gallon per
day,
  I am currently applying to USDA for a 49000 grant, to operate this
plant,
  I will produce anhydrous by using anhydrous lime,
  then using the lime as the calcium supplement for my feed.
  I also am buliding a pervaporation system using PVA and chitosan
  sorry, its hard to keep it short, 27 years of research
 
 From: ron [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2005/05/28 Sat PM 02:57:28 EDT
 To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] New List
 
 Me too Fred, How did you come with 30 gal/hr? I have done small time
 batch plants but yours is no batch plant. How do you do it?
 Is the Gov any help?
 Are  there grants for bio diesel?
 So many questions and so little bandwidth!!!
 Ron
 
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   Just letting everyone know I am still here, Still trying to complete
my 30 gallon per hour
 farm anhydrous ethanol/ plant feed mill, I recently applied for the
USDA/ DOE Grant,
 but there were 680 applications, I finally hired an engineer to put my
package together.
 I have a very good 50 page plan, The seceret to making smallscale
ethanol work
 is to produce a complete feed with the distillers grains. Thanks for
being here. Fred
 
 
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Re: [Biofuel] 4 PETROL

2005-06-07 Thread MANOJ 
Hi i am new to list does anyone know what can i use for a petrol engine
other than LPG any two chemical mixures. I am from sri lanka here petrol is
US $0.80 per liter and Diesel is 0.50 per liter

Thanks
Manoj

- Original Message -
From: Mel Purdy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: 06 June 2005 22:27 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] -=additives=-


it's a liquid you add to boiler fuel to make it more efficient and
burn cleaner.  I'm trying to find a more detailed chemical description
of it, but for now, if anybody out there is using it, or uses it on
anything else, it would be nice to start a conversation

On 6/3/05, ron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 What in the world is in Boiler fuel additive?

  Also, my friend has been using 'Boiler fuel additive' that he gets for
  free in his SVO converted mercedes...  thinks it's useful, says he
  notices it running better, but I was wondering if anyone else out
  there is using it for vehicle or home-heating use?

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[Biofuel] safety issues of biofuels

2005-06-07 Thread Guy MARLAIR 
I am currently working at identifying current status on safety related
issues pertaining to biofuels products and related processes :

May some of you provide me with pertinent sources of information
(handbook, safety dedicated valuable works and so on...)

Thanks

Guy MARLAIR
INERIS
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Re: [Biofuel] New York : DA Drops The Charges Against Carol Lang

2005-06-07 Thread Greg Harbican 
I guess your just assuming that, because, I don't agree with your
assessment.

Like I said before,  It does not seam to be anymore than the white washing
that was done several
years ago, just more along the lines of a few recruiters, being more
extreme.

Greg H.


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Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 10:52
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] New York : DA Drops The Charges Against Carol Lang


 Greg,


 The military does far more than just push the fun exciting stuff... to
 net recruits.

 I guess you didn't read the references that were provided previously and
 didn't do any searching beyond them on your own?

 So is that high-gloss varnish or semi-gloss that you're using there? And
 are you sure you've got enough ventilation in that room?

 Todd Swearingen





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Re: [Biofuel] New York : DA Drops The Charges Against Carol Lang

2005-06-07 Thread Keith Addison 

Greetings Chris


greetings, keith.

you were right there with the appropriate citations to the subject at hand.
it's beginning to look like that is as per usual.  i don't know how you do
it.


:-) I'm glad it helps. People have remarked on it. It's nothing 
special, there's not much effort involved. It comes to me mostly, I 
don't have to go looking for it, it's easy to lay my hands on it when 
needed. I've been doing this stuff for a long time, I've been a 
journalist for 38 years now or something, which means being an 
info-cruncher too. I've moved around a lot, never wanted to stay in 
any one job for more than two years, and mostly I've been a 
freelancer, so there's been a lot of variety. You get good at it, 
especially when you starve otherwise.



In a message dated 6/6/05 10:31:56 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 The share of the nation's income earned by those in this uppermost
category has more than doubled since 1980, to 7.4 percent in 2002.
The share of income earned by the rest of the top 10 percent rose far
less, and the share earned by the bottom 90 percent fell... 

yep.  as u.s. population approaches 300 million, around 8% of national income
went to fewer than 150,000 individuals.  quantitative proof that, in the
immortal words of a recent president, the state of our economy is strong.
clearly our didn't mean all of ours.


Clearly not. The economy as a whole isn't exactly in good shape. 
Turning that massive surplus Bush inherited into the massive deficit 
you have now in such a short time is unprecedented. Piracy?



Does such barbaric abuse inside U.S. jails explain the
horrors that were committed in Iraq?

this was beyond a doubt already widespread within our borders since before
the current conflict.  i'm so glad you cited this source; it's 
important to draw

this link.


It's badly underplayed in the US.


The population of the United States comprises 5% of
the world's population but its incarcerated population is
equal to more than 25% of the world's prisoners.

iirc our comsumption of the world's energy supply is similarly
disproportionate.


Interesting comment, I think it's exactly the same.


as is our share of greenhouse gas output.  then that explains it, because
it sure takes a lot of resources to deal with all those bad elements. . . .

well, it's back to the regular work routine for me.  maybe i'll have a chance
to drop in during the week.  otherwise, until the weekend.


Whenever Chris, till then. Take care.

Keith



best,

-chris
oh, no you DI-in't!
superman



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Re: [Biofuel] New York : DA Drops The Charges Against Carol Lang

2005-06-07 Thread Keith Addison 
Well, Greg, your faith is touching, but if you can't see that that's 
not what's happening then I can't help you.


Best wishes

Keith



I believe allot of the problems surrounding this issue, comes from Articles
4 and 5 of the Geneva Convention.

@@

http://www.pchrgaza.org/Intifada/Protected_pers.conv.htm

Art. 4. Persons protected by the Convention are those who, at a given moment
and in any manner whatsoever, find themselves, in case of a conflict or
occupation, in the hands of a Party to the conflict or Occupying Power of
which they are not nationals.


snip




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[Biofuel] TIME mag story on plug-in hybrids + biofuels

2005-06-07 Thread Felix Kramer 

http://www.time.com/time/insidebiz/article/0,9171,1069470,00.html

Breaking That Dirty Oil Habit An unlikely alliance of hawks, doves and 
greens has a plan to help america guzzle less gas. Could it work?

TIME Bonus Section, Inside Business, July 2005

Here are the excerpts we've put on our website:

 A 500-m.p.g.-of-gas car may sound like a pie-in-the-sky dream. But in 
fact, it is technologically possible. Green-car enthusiasts in California 
are experimenting with innovative plug-in technology, while DaimlerChrysler 
will soon be testing its own plug-in vanCould it be that the motley 
coalition of tree huggers and hawks is on to something? ...Hanssen was 
approached last year by Felix Kramer for help in building a dashboard 
monitor for a Prius that he and CalCars, his group of plug-in advocates, 
had converted into a crude plug-inHanssen recently showed off his 
prototype at the 2005 Tour de Sol, a green-car race in Saratoga Springs, 
N.Y., where it didn't win but did deliver a fuel economy of 102 m.p.g. over 
a 150-mile course. The cost of charging the batteries? A buck. EnergyCS and 
Clean-Tech have launched a start-up called EDrive Systems, which plans to 
sell by next year kits to convert the Prius into a plug-in (though the 
modifications will void the warranty) Several U.S. utilities are 
supporting the technology. Plug-in cars would open a new market for 
electricity at night, when utilities have excess capacity. Ed Kjaer, 
director of electric transportation at Southern California Edison, argues 
that plug-ins represent a natural evolution of hybrid technology, which 
today essentially burns gas to generate electricityGeorge W. Bush, the 
former Texan oilman, has begun talking up corn ethanol and clean diesel and 
has endorsed a $4,000 tax credit for purchases of hybrid cars. That has not 
gone unnoticed by energy's new coalition of convenience, even if the 
President hasn't yet mentioned plug-in hybrids or bioethanolMaybe 500 
m.p.g. isn't so crazy after all.


We will have a downloadable/printable PDF of the scanned version of this 
TIME article at
http://www.calcars.org/kudos.html as soon as we get a print copy (joining 
the Business Week, Newsweek-Zakaria and other stories already available).


If you subscribe to the CalCars Newsletter at the URL below, you'll get 
full-text forwardable copies of major news.


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Re: [Biofuel] New York : DA Drops The Charges Against Carol Lang

2005-06-07 Thread Greg Harbican 



Excuse me?

You want to play the not fair 
game?

How about: 

"It's not fair thathundreds 
ofpeople dies inthe terrorists attacks"?
"It's not fair that hundreds of children 
die every year malnutrition"?
"It's not fair that my son and daughter 
never had the chance to meet my parents"?

It's not fair:
I'm 50% medical.
People go to bed hungry.
People don't read the fine print on the 
contract they sign.
The courts are overburdened with frivolous 
law suits.
Many people try and still 
fail.
Some people thought that the US military 
would always be on a peace time setting.
Thatpeople are human and make 
mistakes and decisionsthat affect others.


It's not fair that my wife obtained 3 credit cards ( and maxed them out ), 
without my knowing it, but, you know what? I still have to 
live up to the obligation, and have one of them almost paid 
off.

It's not fair, that I have to sit around 
and hear people complain that," It's not fair that I have to live up to a 
contract,even though I didn't think we would ever go to war and I chose 
the wrong job to be in "

Sorry I forgot, It's not fair that life is 
not fair.


Shall I go on?

Who ever said the world / life was fair or 
that it was supposed to be? I would like to know so I could 
tell him/her that it wasn't fair for them to say that.

Don't give me "it's not fair".
They didn't have to go in the military or 
pick the branch orMOS that they went in.

Greg H.


  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Michael Redler 
  
  To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
  
  Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 10:55
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] New York : DA 
  Drops The Charges Against Carol Lang
  
  
  "...when they are told that they can not get out 
  when the going gets rough, they cry"Not fair!"
  How about...
  ...when they are told that they can not get out 
  when the president:
  
  1.) abuses the war powers act
  
  2.) provokes attacksto manufacture an 
  excuse for war months before any security council resolution is 
  drafted
  
  3.) Bribes a "coalition of the willing" when 
  most of the free world isn't fooled
  
  4.)Coerces government agencies to 
  manufacture evidence to justify an illegal war
  
  5.) Limits inspectors (mostly chemical weapons 
  inspectors) from entering Iraq and works toward the dismissal of the most 
  vocal analysts reporting that there are noWMD's
  
  and you realize that your purpose in the 
  militaryhas changed from that of defender, to that 
  ofconqueror.
  
  ...they cry"Not fair!"
  Mike
  
  Greg Harbican [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  



No, up till 9/11 most people entered 
the military for one of two reasons.

The first and most popular reason is 
Education.
They think that it will be an easy way 
the get an education, without having to work hard to get a scholarship or 
the need for a loan.

The second reason, is that they want 
money forsomething and they currently don't 
haveenough.

I have heard some of their complaints, 
and almost always it's along the lines of " When I signed up almost 
___ yrs ago, there wasn't any war. I did it 
because I wanted to get'an education'or 'the education benefit's 
or 'to get a job and skills for a job when I get out', not to kill people or 
get killed".

Many of themthink that they are 
using the military, for their own purposes/benefit, but, then when they are 
told that they can not get out when the going gets rough, they cry"Not 
fair!"


The facts are:

*The militaryis just like any other company trying to get you 
to join, in that it is going to push the fun exciting stuff, while under 
emphasizing the bad.

*Anyone that thinks they can join the 
military and be subject to the possibility of being killed or having to 
kill, is living a dream that has no connection to reality.

*Anyone that thinks thatthe 
military can't or will not alter their terms of enlistment in a time of 
crisis isdreaming.

*Anyone that does not read the fine 
print on any contractbefore theysign, is a fool.

*All it takes issome checking, to 
find out what being in the military is really like. There 
are to many people in (and now out )of the military to say what 
it was like.

Any person, in anyjob,that 
think that they can take the good and leave the bad, has another think 
coming.

Greg H.


  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Michael 
  Redler 
  To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
  
  Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 
  12:44
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] New York : DA 
  Drops The Charges Against Carol Lang
  
  
  
  "To enter military service and then say, I dont want to go there! 
  orI don't want to do that! is simply childish selfcenterdness 
  (sp)."
  
  Well Larry, if that were true, we would have

Re: [Biofuel] New York : DA Drops The Charges Against Carol Lang

2005-06-07 Thread Michael Redler 





Sure Greg. Let's play.

It's not fair thathundreds ofpeople die interrorists attacks because the US government is involved in overthrowing governments and replacing them with puppet regimes, causing resentment and chaos around the world.


Who do you think helped Saddam come to power?
Who do you think armed theJihadists in Afghanistan?
It's not fair that hundreds of children die every year from malnutrition because our president chooses (in his interpretationof "to err on the side of life") to wage an unjustified and illegal war instead of reaching out to the sick and hungry in developing countries.

What would $200,000,000,000 (approximate cost of the war so far) have done to stem the AIDS epidemic in Africa?
It's not fair that my son and daughter never had the chance to meet my parents because they died in a war they didn't have to fight in, but did, due to their unflinching loyalty to a president who has abused his power.


Maybe that letter of condolence from the secretary of defense (you know, the one with his mimeographed signature) helps ease the pain.

It's not fair that vets go to bed hungry and have inadequate medical treatment (those who have beds) and are left to deal with war related ailments like PTSD on their own. The VA hospital is not as accessible as people would like to think and some soldiers (like reservists) are treated like second class citizens.


It's not fair that peopleread and fully understand the fine print on the contract they sign, then find out that the REAL problem(where they are sent and for what reason) isn't even given a second thought because it is wrongfully assumed that they will always (and only) be sent toDEFEND this country.


It's not fair thatpeople are human and make mistakes and decisionsthat affect others. It's even worse when those decisions are NOT mistakes.


So Greg, feel free to go on as much as you like. You're missing the point. It's not about what's unfair. It's about why it's unfair.

Mike
Greg Harbican [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Excuse me?

You want to play the not fair game?

How about: 

"It's not fair thathundreds ofpeople dies inthe terrorists attacks"?
"It's not fair that hundreds of children die every year malnutrition"?
"It's not fair that my son and daughter never had the chance to meet my parents"?

It's not fair:
I'm 50% medical.
People go to bed hungry.
People don't read the fine print on the contract they sign.
The courts are overburdened with frivolous law suits.
Many people try and still fail.
Some people thought that the US military would always be on a peace time setting.
Thatpeople are human and make mistakes and decisionsthat affect others.


It's not fair that my wife obtained 3 credit cards ( and maxed them out ), without my knowing it, but, you know what? I still have to live up to the obligation, and have one of them almost paid off.

It's not fair, that I have to sit around and hear people complain that," It's not fair that I have to live up to a contract,even though I didn't think we would ever go to war and I chose the wrong job to be in "

Sorry I forgot, It's not fair that life is not fair.


Shall I go on?

Who ever said the world / life was fair or that it was supposed to be? I would like to know so I could tell him/her that it wasn't fair for them to say that.

Don't give me "it's not fair".
They didn't have to go in the military or pick the branch orMOS that they went in.

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Re: [Biofuel] New York : DA Drops The Charges Against Carol Lang

2005-06-07 Thread Appal Energy 

Wrongo Greg,

I'm not assuming anything simply because I don't agree with your 
stance, save for perhaps the varnish and unvented room part. What I am 
doing is saying that you're dead wrong about their being no ingrained 
and/or nearly genetic characteristic that is expected in recruitment 
circles. As far as most recruiters are concerned it's very nearly a war 
game, and for a very large percentage one to be won at all costs short 
of getting caught (losing). This is precisely the type of mindset that 
erupts into plain view when you loosen up a random pack of these animals 
at a bar or private party. Nice guys for the most part, until it's game 
on...


This is not cyclic behavior (unless you're speaking of 24 hour cycles) 
or something that was done several years ago and supposedly a rare 
quadrennial occurence as you would like others to believe.


Had you read the articles, or done any homework, or payed attention all 
your adult life, you'd know that it's more than just a few bad apples. 
(Hm.where have we all heard that one before? And before that? 
And before that? And before that? And)


I guess to hear you tell it, we should just all accept the fact that  
the entire military establishment is as dumb as rocks, has always been 
and will always be, because they just don't ever seem to be able to pack 
a barrel with grade A produce. Maybe we ought to let the migrant 
community do all the hiring for the military? They can certainly tell a 
bad apple from a good one and know which ones to keep out of the crate.


Wake up and smell the coffee laddie!

Todd Swearingen



I guess your just assuming that, because, I don't agree with your
assessment.

Like I said before,  It does not seam to be anymore than the white washing
that was done several
years ago, just more along the lines of a few recruiters, being more
extreme.

Greg H.


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From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 10:52
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] New York : DA Drops The Charges Against Carol Lang


 


Greg,


The military does far more than just push the fun exciting stuff... to
net recruits.

I guess you didn't read the references that were provided previously and
didn't do any searching beyond them on your own?

So is that high-gloss varnish or semi-gloss that you're using there? And
are you sure you've got enough ventilation in that room?

Todd Swearingen


   





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Re: [Biofuel] New York : DA Drops The Charges Against Carol Lang

2005-06-07 Thread Appal Energy 
So why don't we just put an initiative on the next national ballot to 
make it fair?


All those people in charge of formulating policy and rubbing the wrong 
way against the policies of other nations should be the ones to strap on 
the body armour and go toe to toe with their international counterparts.


That way the rest of us wouldn't have to be quite so concerned with 
others creating a tilted playing field and then forcing us to play on 
it. Surely, or at least almost so, they'd be a little more careful in 
the games they initiate and propigate.


Just add it in as a little addendum to ther job description. Hell, for 
that matter throw in a little hazardous duty pay to help compensate 
their wives and families just in case they weren't smart enough to keep 
from putting themselves in a position of getting killed.


Probably just about everyone would agree that things would be just a 
skosh different then.


Todd Swearingen


Greg Harbican wrote:


Excuse me?
 
You want to play the not fair game?
 
How about:
 
It's not fair that hundreds of people dies in the terrorists attacks?

It's not fair that hundreds of children die every year malnutrition?
It's not fair that my son and daughter never had the chance to meet 
my parents?
 
It's not fair:

I'm 50% medical.
People go to bed hungry.
People don't read the fine print on the contract they sign.
The courts are overburdened with frivolous law suits.
Many people try and still fail.
Some people thought that the US military would always be on a peace 
time setting.

That people are human and make mistakes and decisions that affect others.
 
It's not fair that my wife obtained 3 credit cards ( and maxed them 
out ), without my knowing it, but, you know what?I still have to 
live up to the obligation, and have one of them almost paid off.
 
It's not fair, that I have to sit around and hear people complain 
that,  It's not fair that I have to live up to a contract, even 
though I didn't think we would ever go to war and I chose the wrong 
job to be in  
 
Sorry I forgot, It's not fair that life is not fair.
 
Shall I go on?
 
Who ever said the world / life was fair or that it was supposed to 
be?I would like to know so I could tell him/her that it wasn't 
fair for them to say that.
 
Don't give me it's not fair.
They didn't have to go in the military or pick the branch or MOS that 
they went in.
 
Greg H.
 


- Original Message -
*From:* Michael Redler mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
*To:* Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
*Sent:* Monday, June 06, 2005 10:55
*Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] New York : DA Drops The Charges Against
Carol Lang

...when they are told that they can not get out when the going
gets rough, they cry Not fair!

How about...

...when they are told that they can not get out when the president:
 
1.) abuses the war powers act
 
2.) provokes attacks to manufacture an excuse for war months

before any security council resolution is drafted
 
3.) Bribes a coalition of the willing when most of the free

world isn't fooled
 
4.) Coerces government agencies to manufacture evidence to justify

an illegal war
 
5.) Limits inspectors (mostly chemical weapons inspectors) from

entering Iraq and works toward the dismissal of the most vocal
analysts reporting that there are no WMD's
 
and you realize that your purpose in the military has changed from
that of defender, to that of conqueror. 
 
...they cry Not fair!


Mike
 


*/Greg Harbican [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote:

No, up till 9/11 most people entered the military for one of
two reasons.
 
The first and most popular reason is Education.

They think that it will be an easy way the get an education,
without having to work hard to get a scholarship or the need
for a loan.
 
The second reason, is that they want money for something and
they currently don't have enough. 
 
I have heard some of their complaints, and almost always it's

along the lines of  When I signed up almost ___  yrs ago,
there wasn't any war.I did it because I wanted to get 'an
education' or 'the education benefit's or 'to get a job and
skills for a job when I get out', not to kill people or get
killed.
 
Many of them think that they are using the military, for their

own purposes/benefit, but, then when they are told that they
can not get out when the going gets rough, they cry Not fair!
 
 
The facts are:
 
*The military is just like any other company trying to get you

to join, in that it is going to push the fun exciting stuff,
while under emphasizing the bad.
 
*Anyone that thinks they can join the military and be

Re: [Biofuel] TIME mag story on plug-in hybrids + biofuels

2005-06-07 Thread Michael Redler 


It looks like people may be waking up to what's beena priority for theenvironmentally conscious minority for decades. Seeing this storyin what manycall the "main stream" media isa very good sign (IMHO). 

Maybe the push for alternatives which started in the seventies will come back with new momentum. It could be good timing too, since much of the intellectual property from that time is now public domain and mightwork as a catalyst.

Of course, we, in this forum already know this. I just felt like"preachin' to the choir". It's important to stay firmly grounded in reality. But, it's hard for me not to see this as a glimmer of hope that an environmentally friendly mind-set might become popular (contagious).

:-)

MikeFelix Kramer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
http://www.time.com/time/insidebiz/article/0,9171,1069470,00.htmlBreaking That Dirty Oil Habit An unlikely alliance of hawks, doves and greens has a plan to help america guzzle less gas. Could it work?TIME Bonus Section, Inside Business, July 2005Here are the excerpts we've put on our website:A 500-m.p.g.-of-gas car may sound like a pie-in-the-sky dream. But in fact, it is technologically possible. Green-car enthusiasts in California are experimenting with innovative plug-in technology, while DaimlerChrysler will soon be testing its own plug-in vanCould it be that the motley coalition of tree huggers and hawks is on to something? ...Hanssen was approached last year by Felix Kramer for help in building a dashboard monitor for a Prius that he and CalCars, his group of plug-in advocates, had converted into a crude
 plug-inHanssen recently showed off his prototype at the 2005 Tour de Sol, a green-car race in Saratoga Springs, N.Y., where it didn't win but did deliver a fuel economy of 102 m.p.g. over a 150-mile course. The cost of charging the batteries? A buck. EnergyCS and Clean-Tech have launched a start-up called EDrive Systems, which plans to sell by next year kits to convert the Prius into a plug-in (though the modifications will void the warranty) Several U.S. utilities are supporting the technology. Plug-in cars would open a new market for electricity at night, when utilities have excess capacity. Ed Kjaer, director of electric transportation at Southern California Edison, argues that plug-ins represent a natural evolution of hybrid technology, which today essentially burns gas to generate electricityGeorge W. Bush, the former Texan oilman, has begun talking up corn ethanol and clean diesel and has endorsed a $4,000 tax
 credit for purchases of hybrid cars. That has not gone unnoticed by energy's new coalition of convenience, even if the President hasn't yet mentioned plug-in hybrids or bioethanolMaybe 500 m.p.g. isn't so crazy after all.We will have a downloadable/printable PDF of the scanned version of this TIME article athttp://www.calcars.org/kudos.html as soon as we get a print copy (joining the Business Week, Newsweek-Zakaria and other stories already available).If you subscribe to the CalCars Newsletter at the URL below, you'll get full-text forwardable copies of major news.-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --Felix Kramer [EMAIL PROTECTED]Founder California Cars Initiativehttp://www.calcars.orgPRIUS+ PHEV Conversion Grouphttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/priusplus/CalCars-PHEV Newsletterhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/calcars-newsPO Box 61045 Palo Alto, CA 94306-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
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[Biofuel] Glacier Melt Accelerating, Concern Over Sea Levels Rising

2005-06-07 Thread Michael Redler 
By Jim EricksonSeptember 24, 2004 1:21PM http://www.sci-tech-today.com/story.xhtml?story_id=27173
In March 2002, a Delaware-size Antarctic Peninsula ice shelf collapsed. Since then, several glaciers in the region have accelerated. Average temperatures in the region have increased 4.5 degrees during the past 60 years.
Speed of Glaciers' Flow Spurs Concern 
Some Antarctic glaciers are flowing seaward five times faster than they did just two years ago, increasing concerns about rises in sea levels resulting from the warming of Earth's polar caps. 
University of Colorado researchers measured the speed of several glaciers on the Antarctic Peninsula, the long arm that reaches northward toward the southern tip of South America. 
These glaciers feed thick plates of ice -- called ice shelves -- that float on the ocean along the Antarctic coast. The shelves act as dams that slow the seaward flow of glacial ice off the continent. 
In March 2002, a Delaware-size Antarctic Peninsula ice shelf -- called "Larsen B" -- collapsed. Since then, several glaciers in the region have accelerated, CU researchers Ted Scambos and Jennifer Bohlander report in Geophysical Research Letters. 
Two of the glaciers are now moving at about a mile per year, according to the CU researchers. Most glaciers move a few inches to a few hundred yards annually. 
Average temperatures in the region have increased 4.5 degrees during the past 60 years. In the past 30 years, ice shelves in the region have shrunk by 5,200 square miles - an area slightly larger than Connecticut. 
"The Larsen area can be looked at as a miniature experiment, showing how warming can dramatically change the ice sheets and how fast it can happen," Scambos said. 
"While the consequences of this area are small compared to other parts of the Antarctic, it is a harbinger of what will happen when the large ice sheets begin to warm," he said. "The much larger shelves in other parts of the Antarctic could have much greater effects on the rate of sea-level rise." ___
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Re: [Biofuel] New York : DA Drops The Charges Against Carol Lang

2005-06-07 Thread Kemal Askan 
Dear Friends,

I am from Turkey and just joined to this e-mailing group. I am interesting inbio-diesel for a short time. Asthe first application i want to make an pilot plant to produce biodiesel in my village. I want to explain how biodiesel is environment friendly and it is the same with the petrol equivalent to the people having tructors in my village. So, please would you share your valuable experiences with me. The points that i want to be informed are :

1. Which seed oil is the best for this process?
2. How can i calculate the cost of 1 liter of biodiesel?
3. The basic process diagram to produce biodiesel?

Please send me your valuable opinions?

Regards
KemalKeith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Check out the UCMJ ( Uniform Code of Military Justice ).Then follow that up with Geneva Convention and Hague Convention, and that will give you a good idea of what illegal is to the military.Greg H.The US military honours the Geneva Convention? When they feel like it maybe...http://www.americanprogress.org/site/pp.asp?c=biJRJ8OVFb=79532Memorandum on the Geneva Conventions - Center for American ProgressTossing Aside the Geneva Conventions, Bush Decisions Place U.S. Troops in Greater Danger"... "'When you say something down the chain of command like, 'The Geneva conventions don't apply,' that sets the stage for the kind of chaos that we've seen,' said Rear Admiral John Hutson (ret.), who was the Navy Judge Advocate General from 1997 to 2000."http://talkleft.com/new_archives/008443.htmlBush
 Flip-Flops on Geneva Convention Protectionshttp://baltimorechronicle.com/geneva_feb02.shtmlU.S. Violates Geneva ConventionsKeith- Original Message -From: Michael RedlerTo: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Friday, June 03, 2005 14:22Subject: Re: [Biofuel] New York : DA Drops The Charges Against Carol LangRobert,This IMHO, this is another simplification.Aside from refusing to obey an illegal order, can you think of any exceptions?What's illegal?Mikerobert luis rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Michael Redler wrote:  Robert,   "...he or she becomes the property of the military and the  commanders will do with every soldier whatever they deem
 necessary. "  Point taken. But I think it's a bit oversimplified.Is it really? Can an army function without discipline? When thelieutenant says: "We have orders to secure that hilltop and neutralizeenemy resistance," does an enlisted soldier have the right to disagree?My wife has a young cousin who joined the Marines a few years ago.Much to his dismay, and his family's distress, the Marine Corps senthim to Fallujah. He tells us that he didn't want to go there. Hespeaks of the situation being horrible and of his life being inconstant danger. But he couldn't say: "No thanks. I'd rather servein Guam."   Do you mean to say that you (as property of the US armed services) would  do "WHATEVER" your superior deemed necessary? That's quite a broad  statement.Aside from refusing to obey an illegal order, can you think of
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[Biofuel] Green diesel: New process

2005-06-07 Thread Bruno M. 

Some news, FYI:

Public release date: 2-June-2005

Contact: James Dumesic
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608-262-1095
University of Wisconsin-Madison

Green diesel: New process makes liquid transportation fuel from plants


MADISON -- University of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering 
researchers have discovered a new way to make a diesel-like liquid fuel 
from carbohydrates commonly found in plants.


Reporting in the June 3 issue of the Journal Science, Steenbock Professor 
James Dumesic and colleagues detail a four-phase catalytic reactor in which 
corn and other biomass-derived carbohydrates can be converted to 
sulfur-free liquid alkanes resulting in an ideal additive for diesel 
transportation fuel. Co-researchers include chemical and biological 
engineering graduate students George Huber, Juben Chheda and Chris Barrett.


It's a very efficient process, says Huber. The fuel produced contains 90 
percent of the energy found in the carbohydrate and hydrogen feed. If you 
look at a carbohydrate source such as corn, our new process has the 
potential to create twice the energy as is created in using corn to make 
ethanol.


About 67 percent of the energy required to make ethanol is consumed in 
fermenting and distilling corn. As a result, ethanol production creates 1.1 
units of energy for every unit of energy consumed. In the UW-Madison 
process, the desired alkanes spontaneously separate from water. No 
additional heating or distillation is required. The result is the creation 
of 2.2 units of energy for every unit of energy consumed in energy production.


The fuel we're making stores a considerable amount of hydrogen, says 
Dumesic. Each molecule of hydrogen is used to convert each carbon atom in 
the carbohydrate reactant to an alkane. It's a very high yield. We don't 
lose a lot of carbon. The carbon acts as an effective energy carrier for 
transportation vehicles. It's not unlike the way our own bodies use 
carbohydrates to store energy.


About 75 percent of the dry weight of herbaceous and woody biomass is 
comprised of carbohydrates. Because the UW-Madison process works with a 
range of carbohydrates, a wide range of plants, and more parts of the 
plant, can be consumed to make fuel.


The current delivered cost of biomass is comparable or even cheaper than 
petroleum-based feedstock on an energy basis, Huber says.


This is one step in figuring out how to efficiently use our biomass 
resources.




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