[Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day

[marilyn]

This was forwarded to me, so I am sending it to all of  you to 
forward if you want to.


It has been calculated that if everyone in the United States and 
Canada did not purchase a drop of gasoline for one day and all 
at the same time, the oil companies would choke on their 
stockpiles.

At the same time it would hit the entire industry with a net loss of 
over 4.6 billion dollars which affects the bottom lines of the oil 
companies.

Therefore September 1st has been formally declared stick it up 
their behind  day and the people of these two nations should not 
buy a single drop of gasoline that day.

The only way this can be done is if you forward this e-mail to as 
manypeople as you can and as quickly as you can to get the 
word out.

Waiting on the government to step in and control the prices is not 
going to happen. What happened to the reduction and control in 
prices that the Arab nations promised two weeks ago?

Remember one thing, not only is the price of gasoline going up 
but at the same time airlines are forced to raise their prices, 
trucking companies are forced to raise their prices which effects 
prices on everything that is shipped. Things like food, clothing, 
building materials, medical supplies, etc. Who pays in the end? 
We do!

We can make a difference. If they don't get the message after 
one day, we will do it again and again.

So do your part and spread the word. Forward this email to 
everyone you know.

Mark your calendars and make September 1st a day that the 
citizens of the United States and Canada say enough is 
enough



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Re: [Biofuel] thanks

[terzakis]

Only the abstract is in English.

If you like i can send you pictures, diagrams, etc in your e-mail if it has the
capacity and you will share it to others.

Stelios

Abstract

Alkali catalyzed, two-stage process for biodiesel production from used vegetable
oils mixture and evaluation of its fuel properties and specifications.


The European Union Directive 2003/30/EU for biofuels, under the prism of
increased environmental concerns (combating climate change, reducing local
environmental loads), energy and (free) market policies (achieving full
utilization of renewable energy resources; creating jobs and income in an EU
increasing to 25 member countries; contributing forward to a secure supply of
energy), and several other socioeconomic aspects] is driving industry to
produce biodiesel in order to supply the markets in each country with an
appropriate proportion of the conventional fuel demand. 
Biodiesel is the product of the reaction of vegetable oils and animal fats with
alcohols and it has many fuel specifications similar with those of conventional
(e.g. petrogenic) diesel. This new fuel seems to be environmentally friendlier
by means of safer exhaust emissions, even of exhaust pollutants of diesel
specified by low-sulphur content. In fact the need for using low-sulphur diesel
led to a decreasing lubricity, which has been suggested to improve by blending
conventional diesel with biodiesel. Thus, the need to produce biodiesel in a
financial wise manner that meets the above mentioned specifications is
obvious.
In this project an alkali catalyzed two-stage transesterification of 
mixtures
of used oils is studied (olive oil, corn oil, soy oil, sunflower oil). This
process is followed by an evaluation and quality control exercise of the end
products. According to our initial results the factors controlling the quality
of the end product are:
 I) The Free Fatty Acids (FFA) level in the used oils feedstock and iodine
value;
 II) the amount of alkali catalyst (calculated by using an empirical formula
introducing the previously mentioned FFA value);  
III) the proportion of different types of used oils in the reactant mixture, and
its effect on some fuel properties like viscosity; the cloud point, lubricity,
heating value and the pour point cold weather flow properties. From the
different feedstock used, the used olive-oil meets the EN 14214 specifications
but with the appropriate modifications all the above oils could be used to
produce a biofuel of acceptable quality for surface transport uses.
From the different used feedstock the used olive oil gave a fuel that meets the
EN 14214 specifications for biodiesel used in transport vehicles. The rest used
oils (cornoil, soybean oil, sunflower oil), produced biodiesel that meets the EN
14213 specifications of biodiesel used as heating oil. 
However, with the appropiate modifications (that are also proposed) in our
methodology a fuel that meets both specifications can be produced.

Incentives
In a real scale the exploitation, recovery and recycling of used oils can only
be done using mixtures of used oils given that many different types of used
oils, with different FFA level, are disposed. 
To the best of our knowledge no other work accomplishing all of the following 
has been reported:
1.  The development of a simple and safe methodology producing biodiesel of
acceptable quality (under the EN 14214 or 14213 specifications) from a mixture
of used oils feedstock.
2.  The establishment of a simple formula of the quantity of the catalyst 
needed,
depending on the FFA level of oils, saturation level and types of edible used
oils.
3.  The estimation of the diesel fuel properties of the biodiesel product 
when
the proportion of the types of used oils is known.














Αρχικό μήνυμα από  bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Congratulations Stelios, I think you made a wise decision on your thesis 
 work. It looks like you will be in demand.
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Dear Prof Allen, Keith, et Al
 
 With your help i made my dream possible.
 I received my MSc in Environmental Engineering, and my diploma is titled:
 Process development for biodiesel production from waste edible oils and
 quality
 control of the produced alternative fuel. 
   
 
 
 Is there an electronic version of your thesis you could share with us? 
 In english hopefully?
 
 My achivement however which i am really proud of is that i received three
 awards
 and 2 grants in national level (Greece), and i am waiting for another one
 which
 i replied lately in France. (very intereresting meeting opportunity to
 exchange
 ideas there www.innovact.com they have also a agro-meeting section)
 
 My research interest is now on reclaiming biodiesel byproducts ang i am
 considering the following: organic fertiliser(compost), natural
 antioxidants
 (polyphenols, mainly from used olive oil),tocopherols, biopolymers,
 metabolites
 of glycerol (e.x. lactic acid). I think these should be mentioned 

Re: [Biofuel] Mercedes Diesel Suitable?

[Jan Warnqvist]

Hello Peter.
I am referring to what some are calling 
the pre-filter, located just before the feed pump. 
Concerning the rubber, the MB engineers 
are claiming that the rubber hoses and sealings are not suitable for biodiesel. 
But, if not too worn, they are lasting very well. If a hose has to be replaced, 
use a new made out of nitrile rubber. The nitrile rubber is sufficiently 
resistant against biodiesel, although there are even more resistant 
rubbers.
Good luck to you!
Jan WarnqvistAGERATEC AB

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+ 46 554 201 89+46 70 499 38 45

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Peter 
  Childers 
  To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
  
  Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 6:12 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Mercedes Diesel 
  Suitable?
  
  Thanks for your response Jan, but what is a 
  "grinder"? Do you mean, maybe alternate word, the Filter? Are you aware of any 
  rubber parts that might need subbing out as I understand that rubber and 
  BioDiesel don't mix?
  Peter
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Jan Warnqvist 

To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org 

Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 10:49 
AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Mercedes Diesel 
Suitable?

Hello Peter.
I can recommend all MB diesels as 
ideal for biodiesel. I am into my third now, and there have been no problems 
whatsoever. Just a small advice though:
The grinder on the fuel line just 
before the feed pump should be moved by longer hosing, in order to become 
easily replaced from above, if necessary. In any other case you may have to 
get under the car in order to replace it. 
That ´s all. Good luck !
Jan WarnqvistAGERATEC AB

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+ 46 554 201 89+46 70 499 38 45

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Peter 
  Childers 
  To: BiofuelList 
  Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 9:59 
  PM
  Subject: [Biofuel] Mercedes Diesel 
  Suitable?
  
  This is my first try at this list so excuse 
  me if I don't get it yet. I need to acquire a diesel vehicle before I 
  start to experiment with BioDiesel. I have looked at a Mercedes 300D that 
  has not run in about 4 years and has 165K miles on it. I think it is about 
  a 1985. I haven't talked to the owner yet. Can anyone give me some tips as 
  to whether this car would suit, from an affordability standpoint, using 
  for Biodiesel. I am very skilled mechanically so I can put the vehicle 
  into operation with my own labor, but I expect parts to be expensive. I am 
  not sure what I may need to do to it for Biodiesel. It is a five cylinder 
  but I'm not sure if it is a turbo or not (needs a second look).I am 
  also looking at (preferred) aVolkswagen Rabbit diesel. That one is a 
  long shot right now. Thanks for any help.
  Peter
  
  

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Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day

[Stan]

This is mostly an incorrect rumor. 
http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/nogas.asp - It'd better serve 
everyone to forward accurate information about alternatives to petroleum.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

This was forwarded to me, so I am sending it to all of  you to 
forward if you want to.


It has been calculated that if everyone in the United States and 
Canada did not purchase a drop of gasoline for one day and all 
at the same time, the oil companies would choke on their 
stockpiles.

At the same time it would hit the entire industry with a net loss of 
over 4.6 billion dollars which affects the bottom lines of the oil 
companies.

Therefore September 1st has been formally declared stick it up 
their behind  day and the people of these two nations should not 
buy a single drop of gasoline that day.

The only way this can be done is if you forward this e-mail to as 
manypeople as you can and as quickly as you can to get the 
word out.

Waiting on the government to step in and control the prices is not 
going to happen. What happened to the reduction and control in 
prices that the Arab nations promised two weeks ago?

Remember one thing, not only is the price of gasoline going up 
but at the same time airlines are forced to raise their prices, 
trucking companies are forced to raise their prices which effects 
prices on everything that is shipped. Things like food, clothing, 
building materials, medical supplies, etc. Who pays in the end? 
We do!

We can make a difference. If they don't get the message after 
one day, we will do it again and again.

So do your part and spread the word. Forward this email to 
everyone you know.

Mark your calendars and make September 1st a day that the 
citizens of the United States and Canada say enough is 
enough



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[Biofuel] Warning to List Members

[Rumen Slavov]

  Dear Friends,
  As I wrote, there are not viruses for Linux. In the
earliest `80 there were a couple of exploits ( not
viruses!), but they dyed soon, when the kernel has
changed. The creation of a virus is a complicate
process, one has to know the exact target, what is
almost impossible with the variety of kernels in the
comps of the net. Linux is quickly evolving OS and
this is understandable - say 2000 programmers in
Richmond can not lead competition with 2 000 000
worldwide. I have been running different Linux
distributions for some 6 years and I have always in my
pocket a small CD 215 MB live CD to revive dead MS
comps.
  Don`t get confused - use Linux!
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[Biofuel] Request for info from the German Brazil biodiesel conference: Fo rtaleza, Brazil

[Mills, Duncan]

Hi Pannirselvam,

You recently (07.08.05) posted a mail offering to share the information from
the recent German/Brazil conference on biodiesel held in Fortaleza.  

Please can you (or anyone else who has them) post the links or the
information?

Thanks,

Duncan Mills




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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] First Mixer

Greetings to all and Keith

   Recently I hve  the aporunity to participate  Germa nad Brasil
joint conference held in Fortaleza , N, Brazil  on BioD.Af any one
from the list needs  more infomation we can send more  details.

   One of the BASF proposal is  to make  to perpare metylhydroxide and
distribute  for the small scale BioD.
   Can this  method will  really help the remote rural people of the 
developing world  or will increase the gap.C an this will be reality.

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Re: [Biofuel] Robertson et al VS. followers

[Michael Redler]

Hakan: "To condition the cohabitation of a men and a women on if they are married or not?"
"Unmarried cohabitation. Eight states continue to make it a crime for an unmarried man and a woman to cohabit together: Florida, Idaho, Michigan, Mississippi, North Carolina, North Dakota, Virginia and West Virginia fall into this category."

http://www.unmarriedamerica.org/Court/privacy-ruling.htmHakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Mike,I did not know of the sedition act of 1918:"...shall willfully utter, print, write, or publish any disloyal, profane, scurrilous, or abusive language about the form of governmentof the United States, or the Constitution of the United States..."This make any talk about "freedom of speech" a joke.The unravelling of the lack of democracy, has never been so obvious as the execution and results from the two last elections and the way the Iraqi war has been pursued. I still think that "Corprocracy" is a better word for the governing method of US.It seems that we have to change the phrase "the nation of the free" to "the nation of the blind".To condition the cohabitation of a men and a women on if they are married or not? Do they have to be married to each other, or just married? Is it enough if only one of
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Re: [Biofuel] Query on MTBE

[Juan Boveda]

Hello Subramanian.
For the possibles uses of MTBE try a search at the United States Patent 
Office using MTBE or Methyl Terbutyl Ether.

www.uspto.gov/patft/index.html

www.uspto.gov/netahtml/search-bool.html

It might be a lot but select for chemical synthesis using MTBE as one of 
the reacting compounds, specially if you know or are able to know, that 
they have at least a chemical reactor for organic synthesis. With that 
information you could look for the line of products from that 'reputed oil 
refining and marketing company' and guest if they can use in some of them. 
So, you will be somehow ready for the answer 'we use it for that products, 
not for gasoline'.
Regards.

Juan

-Original Message-
From:   subramanian D.V [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent:   28/08 2005 10:18 AM
For:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Subject:[Biofuel] Query on MTBE


Hello Members,

MTBE - Methyl tertiary butyl ether - an oxygenate for blending with 
gasoline in U.S around 1990, acquired a bad reputation quickly because of 
its capacity for polluting the environment and affecting human beings. I 
understand that the groundwater in most parts of US has been polluted with 
MTBE to varying degrees; it was banned in certain States of US for mixing 
with gasoline.

It is banned in India too, as an oxygenate. Can any of you tell me what 
could be the possible use of MTBE other than as an oxygenate additive when 
a reputed oil refining and marketing company buys 10 tmt of MTBE from VITOL 
traders. I want to be doubly sure before raising this in the Indian 
Press.Thank you.

Regards,

Subramanian



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Re: [Biofuel] Warning to List Members

[Arden B. Norder]

Halellujah . . . I'm not alone!!!

I live for and work with linux everyday all day long - It just works . . . all
the time!!!

Greetings from Holland!!!

Arden

On Aug 29, 2005 10:23 AM, Rumen Slavov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   Dear Friends,
   As I wrote, there are not viruses for Linux. In the
 earliest `80 there were a couple of exploits ( not
 viruses!), but they dyed soon, when the kernel has
 changed. The creation of a virus is a complicate
 process, one has to know the exact target, what is
 almost impossible with the variety of kernels in the
 comps of the net. Linux is quickly evolving OS and
 this is understandable - say 2000 programmers in
 Richmond can not lead competition with 2 000 000
 worldwide. I have been running different Linux
 distributions for some 6 years and I have always in my
 pocket a small CD 215 MB live CD to revive dead MS
 comps.
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Best
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Re: [Biofuel] Robertson et al VS. followers

[Mike Weaver]

Uh oh.  I'm cohabitating illegally.  Wait'll I tell my GF. 

-Mike

Michael Redler wrote:

 **

 Hakan: To condition the cohabitation of a men and a women on if they are
 married or not?

 Unmarried cohabitation. Eight states continue to make it a crime for 
 an unmarried man and a woman to cohabit together: Florida, Idaho, 
 Michigan, Mississippi, North Carolina, North Dakota, Virginia and West 
 Virginia fall into this category.

  
 http://www.unmarriedamerica.org/Court/privacy-ruling.htm

 */Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote:


 Mike,

 I did not know of the sedition act of 1918:
 ...shall willfully utter, print, write, or publish any disloyal,
 profane, scurrilous, or abusive language about the form of government
 of the United States, or the Constitution of the United States...

 This make any talk about freedom of speech a joke.

 The unravelling of the lack of democracy, has never been so obvious
 as the execution and results from the two last elections and the way
 the Iraqi war has been pursued. I still think that Corprocracy is a
 better word for the governing method of US.

 It seems that we have to change the phrase the nation of the free
 to the nation of the blind.

 To condition the cohabitation of a men and a women on if they are
 married or not? Do they have to be married to each other, or just
 married? Is it enough if only one of them is married? This info I
 keep as one of the most bizarre I have. LOL

 Hakan



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Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day

[Kirk McLoren]

Choke on their stockpiles. Sigh. 
Do they choke on their stockpiles when transportation is disrupted by storms -- and that is often for many days.
Switching to a renewable fuel and not using fuel by changing life style are all that will work.

KirkStan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This is mostly an incorrect rumor. http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/nogas.asp - It'd better serve everyone to forward accurate information about alternatives to petroleum.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:This was forwarded to me, so I am sending it to all of you to forward if you want to.It has been calculated that if everyone in the United States and Canada did not purchase a drop of gasoline for one day and all at the same time, the oil companies would choke on their stockpiles.At the same time it would hit the entire industry with a net loss of over 4.6 billion dollars which affects the bottom lines of the oil companies.Therefore September 1st has been formally declared "stick it up their behind " day and the people of these two nations
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Re: [Biofuel] Robertson et al VS. followers

[Hakan Falk]

Mike,

Never heard about it before. LOL
This is fantastic, a long time since I had such a good laugh.
Not since Bush said that they did the best to kill their own military. LOL

In a range of ...so do we statements, he actually said.
They try their best to kill our people, so do we. LOL

Is it enough that one of them are married?

Do they have to be married to each other, or just married?

Amazing!! How can they call it the land of the free, when it is 
against the law to be free?

Hakan

At 14:28 29/08/2005, you wrote:

Hakan: To condition the cohabitation of a men and a women on if they are
married or not?

Unmarried cohabitation. Eight states continue to make it a crime 
for an unmarried man and a woman to cohabit together: Florida, 
Idaho, Michigan, Mississippi, North Carolina, North Dakota, Virginia 
and West Virginia fall into this category.

http://www.unmarriedamerica.org/Court/privacy-ruling.htmhttp://www.unmarriedamerica.org/Court/privacy-ruling.htm

Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Mike,

I did not know of the sedition act of 1918:
...shall willfully utter, print, write, or publish any disloyal,
profane, scurrilous, or abusive language about the form of government
of the United States, or the Constitution of the United States...

This make any talk about freedom of speech a joke.

The unravelling of the lack of democracy, has never been so obvious
as the execution and results from the two last elections and the way
the Iraqi war has been pursued. I still think that Corprocracy is a
better word for the governing method of US.

It seems that we have to change the phrase the nation of the free
to the nation of the blind.

To condition the cohabitation of a men and a women on if they are
married or not? Do they have to be married to each other, or just
married? Is it enough if onl! y one of them is married? This info I
keep as one of the most bizarre I have. LOL

Hakan



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[Biofuel] Linux, virii and Microsoft

[Mike Weaver]

Windows is far more prone to attack than Linux.  However, as a 
Linux/Unix admin, I can assure that if you are relying soley on the fact 
you are running
Linux to protect you, you are asking for trouble.  You still need to 
have a good firewall and harden your system. 

Here's a page on kernel cracks alone - note not all exploits are Linux; 
some affect Solris or BSD.  I personally think Open Source dovetails 
nicely with the let's move beyond allowing giant corporations to rule 
our lives thread that underpins many homebrewers.  Microsoft has more 
than noticed and is taking steps to put itself in a position to shut 
Linux down.  My guess is that they'll do something using the patent 
aresenal they've been acquiring.

-Mike

*U10.1 Description*
The core component operating systems is the kernel. The kernel is 
responsible for a number of low level interactions between the operating 
system and hardware, memory, scheduling, interprocess communications, 
file systems, and others. Because the kernel has privileged access to 
all aspects of the system, a kernel level compromise can be devastating. 
Risks from kernel vulnerabilities include Denial of service, execution 
of arbitrary code with system privileges, unrestricted access to the 
file system, or root level access. Many vulnerabilities are exploitable 
remotely, and are especially dangerous when the avenue of attack is by 
way of a provided service published to the Internet. In some cases, by 
sending a malformed icmp packet, the kernel could get stuck in a loop, 
consuming all of the CPU resources and rendering the machine useless, 
causing a Denial of Service.

Proper tuning of the kernel not only can protect systems against 
attacks, but it will also improve system performance.

*U10.2 Operating Systems Affected*
Virtually all Unix variants including Solaris and HP-UX, Linux 
distributions, BSD versions, and Windows versions have experienced 
kernel vulnerabilities, either from inherent factors or from flaws in 
applications that adversely affect the kernel.

*U10.3 CVE/CAN Entries*
CVE-1999-0295 http://nvd.nist.gov/nvd.cfm?cvename=CVE-1999-0295, 
CVE-1999-0367 http://nvd.nist.gov/nvd.cfm?cvename=CVE-1999-0367, 
CVE-1999-0482 http://nvd.nist.gov/nvd.cfm?cvename=CVE-1999-0482, 
CVE-1999-0727 http://nvd.nist.gov/nvd.cfm?cvename=CVE-1999-0727, 
CVE-1999-0804 http://nvd.nist.gov/nvd.cfm?cvename=CVE-1999-0804, 
CVE-1999-1214 http://nvd.nist.gov/nvd.cfm?cvename=CVE-1999-1214, 
CVE-1999-1339 http://nvd.nist.gov/nvd.cfm?cvename=CVE-1999-1339, 
CVE-1999-1341 http://nvd.nist.gov/nvd.cfm?cvename=CVE-1999-1341, 
CVE-2000-0274 http://nvd.nist.gov/nvd.cfm?cvename=CVE-2000-0274, 
CVE-2000-0375 http://nvd.nist.gov/nvd.cfm?cvename=CVE-2000-0375, 
CVE-2000-0456 http://nvd.nist.gov/nvd.cfm?cvename=CVE-2000-0456, 
CVE-2000-0506 http://nvd.nist.gov/nvd.cfm?cvename=CVE-2000-0506, 
CVE-2000-0867 http://nvd.nist.gov/nvd.cfm?cvename=CVE-2000-0867, 
CVE-2001-0062 http://nvd.nist.gov/nvd.cfm?cvename=CVE-2001-0062, 
CVE-2001-0268 http://nvd.nist.gov/nvd.cfm?cvename=CVE-2001-0268, 
CVE-2001-0316 http://nvd.nist.gov/nvd.cfm?cvename=CVE-2001-0316, 
CVE-2001-0317 http://nvd.nist.gov/nvd.cfm?cvename=CVE-2001-0317, 
CVE-2001-0859 http://nvd.nist.gov/nvd.cfm?cvename=CVE-2001-0859, 
CVE-2001-0993 http://nvd.nist.gov/nvd.cfm?cvename=CVE-2001-0993, 
CVE-2001-1166 http://nvd.nist.gov/nvd.cfm?cvename=CVE-2001-1166, 
CVE-2002-0046 http://nvd.nist.gov/nvd.cfm?cvename=CVE-2002-0046, 
CVE-2002-0766 http://nvd.nist.gov/nvd.cfm?cvename=CVE-2002-0766, 
CVE-2002-0831 http://nvd.nist.gov/nvd.cfm?cvename=CVE-2002-0831

CAN-1999-1166 http://nvd.nist.gov/nvd.cfm?cvename=CAN-1999-1166, 
CAN-2000-0227 http://nvd.nist.gov/nvd.cfm?cvename=CAN-2000-0227, 
CAN-2001-0907 http://nvd.nist.gov/nvd.cfm?cvename=CAN-2001-0907, 
CAN-2001-0914 http://nvd.nist.gov/nvd.cfm?cvename=CAN-2001-0914, 
CAN-2001-1133 http://nvd.nist.gov/nvd.cfm?cvename=CAN-2001-1133, 
CAN-2001-1181 http://nvd.nist.gov/nvd.cfm?cvename=CAN-2001-1181, 
CAN-2002-0279 http://nvd.nist.gov/nvd.cfm?cvename=CAN-2002-0279, 
CAN-2002-0973 http://nvd.nist.gov/nvd.cfm?cvename=CAN-2002-0973, 
CAN-2003-0127 http://nvd.nist.gov/nvd.cfm?cvename=CAN-2003-0127, 
CAN-2003-0247 http://nvd.nist.gov/nvd.cfm?cvename=CAN-2003-0247, 
CAN-2003-0248 http://nvd.nist.gov/nvd.cfm?cvename=CAN-2003-0248, 
CAN-2003-0418 http://nvd.nist.gov/nvd.cfm?cvename=CAN-2003-0418, 
CAN-2003-0465 http://nvd.nist.gov/nvd.cfm?cvename=CAN-2003-0465, 
CAN-2003-0955 http://nvd.nist.gov/nvd.cfm?cvename=CAN-2003-0955, 
CAN-2003-0984 http://nvd.nist.gov/nvd.cfm?cvename=CAN-2003-0984, 
CAN-2004-0003 http://nvd.nist.gov/nvd.cfm?cvename=CAN-2004-0003, 
CAN-2004-0010 http://nvd.nist.gov/nvd.cfm?cvename=CAN-2004-0010, 
CAN-2004-0177 http://nvd.nist.gov/nvd.cfm?cvename=CAN-2004-0177, 
CAN-2004-0482 http://nvd.nist.gov/nvd.cfm?cvename=CAN-2004-0482, 
CAN-2004-0495 http://nvd.nist.gov/nvd.cfm?cvename=CAN-2004-0495, 
CAN-2004-0496 http://nvd.nist.gov/nvd.cfm?cvename=CAN-2004-0496, 
CAN-2004-0497 

Re: [Biofuel] Robertson et al VS. followers

[Hakan Falk]

Mike,

Watch it, she might take it as a proposal, or worse, move out.

Hakan

At 15:48 29/08/2005, you wrote:
Uh oh.  I'm cohabitating illegally.  Wait'll I tell my GF.

-Mike

Michael Redler wrote:

  **
 
  Hakan: To condition the cohabitation of a men and a women on if they are
  married or not?
 
  Unmarried cohabitation. Eight states continue to make it a crime for
  an unmarried man and a woman to cohabit together: Florida, Idaho,
  Michigan, Mississippi, North Carolina, North Dakota, Virginia and West
  Virginia fall into this category.
 
 
  http://www.unmarriedamerica.org/Court/privacy-ruling.htm
 
  */Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote:
 
 
  Mike,
 
  I did not know of the sedition act of 1918:
  ...shall willfully utter, print, write, or publish any disloyal,
  profane, scurrilous, or abusive language about the form of government
  of the United States, or the Constitution of the United States...
 
  This make any talk about freedom of speech a joke.
 
  The unravelling of the lack of democracy, has never been so obvious
  as the execution and results from the two last elections and the way
  the Iraqi war has been pursued. I still think that Corprocracy is a
  better word for the governing method of US.
 
  It seems that we have to change the phrase the nation of the free
  to the nation of the blind.
 
  To condition the cohabitation of a men and a women on if they are
  married or not? Do they have to be married to each other, or just
  married? Is it enough if only one of them is married? This info I
  keep as one of the most bizarre I have. LOL
 
  Hakan



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[Biofuel] another reason to work for energy independence

[Kirk McLoren]

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/printpage/0,5942,16416680,00.html





Print this page Dumping of US dollar could trigger 'economic September 11'There is a potentially fatal flaw at the heart of the global economy: the strong possibility of financial meltdown following a collapse of confidence in the greenback, Clyde Prestowitz tells Bruce Stannard29aug05THE nightmare scenario that haunts global strategist Clyde Prestowitz is an economic September 11 -- a worldwide financial panic triggered by a sudden massive sell-off of US dollars that would lead inexorably to the collapse of economies around the world.If that happens, Prestowitz predicts: "It would make the Great Depression of the 1930s look like a walk in the park." 
Australia would be sucked into the vortex of such a recession, which would cause great hardship throughout the world, he warns. 
Prestowitz is not a doomsayer, neither is he alone in his views. As president of the Economic Strategy Institute, a Washington think tank, he is in regular contact with the most influential US business leaders, several of whom -- Warren Buffet and George Soros included -- have taken steps to hedge their currency positions against the possibility of a cataclysmic plunge in the greenback. 
"Right now," he says, "we have a situation in which the US is running huge trade deficits -- about $US650 billion ($766 billion) in 2004 -- which are financed by borrowings from the central banks of Asia -- mainly the Chinese and the Japanese. All the world's central banks are chock-full of US dollars -- they're holding many more dollars than they really want. They're holding those dollars because at the moment there's no great alternative and also because the global economy depends on US consumption. If they dump the dollar and the dollar collapses, then the whole global economy is in trouble. 
"However, some countries have a bigger stake than others in maintaining the status quo. China and Japan have a big stake in maintaining the flow of their exports to the US and keeping the US economy humming. Russia, on the other hand, does not export much to the US. India doesn't export much to the US. Yet Russia and India are also big dollar-holders. They hold many more dollars than they really want or need. 
"It doesn't take any great stretch of the imagination to see what could happen if one of these central bank managers decides to dump dollars. We had a situation recently when a mid-level official at the Central Bank of Korea used the word 'diversification'. It was a throwaway remark at some obscure lunch, but there was instantaneous overreaction. The US stock market fell by 100 points in 15 minutes because the implication was that South Korea might be shifting out of US dollars. 
"So picture this: you have a quiet day in the market and maybe some smart MBA at the Central Bank of Chile or someplace looks at his portfolio and says, 'I got too many dollars here. I'm gonna dump $10 billion'. So he dumps his dollars and suddenly the market thinks, 'My god, this is it!' Of course, the first guy out is OK, but you sure as hell can't afford to be the last guy out. 
"You would then see an immediate cascade effect -- a world financial panic on a scale that would dwarf the Great Depression of the 1930s." 
Prestowitz says the panic could be started by something as simple as a hedge-fund miscalculation. 
"We had exactly that scenario in the US recently," he points out, "when a big hedge fund called Long Term Capital Management went belly-up. These guys were pros. They had two Nobel prize-winning economists writing their trading algorithms, and their traders were the creme de la creme among New York bond traders. 
"They made a big bet -- a trillion dollars leveraged 20 to one, and they blew it. They went belly-up. That threatened to bring down the whole system so US Federal Reserve chairman Alan Greenspan had to organise a bail-out through the Federal Reserve Bank of New York. 
"Now consider this: there are currently 8000 hedge funds in the US alone. Every day $6 trillion of derivative instruments trade on international markets. If there are four people in the world who understand those trades, I'd be surprised. So the potential for another disaster is not insignificant. This is why Warren Buffet, chairman of investment giant Berkshire Hathaway, is betting $US21 billion against the dollar. This is why currency speculator and hedge fund manager George Soros has also made a big bet against the dollar. 
"Soros is one of the greatest currency speculators of all time. He was the guy who broke the British pound in the early 1990s by betting $US10 billion it would fall. He made a quick billion when it did. In 2002, he warned that the greenback was in danger of losing a third of its value. Of course, it could be argued that Soros is a professional hedge fund manager whose job is to play the ups and downs of currencies and his remarks could be seen more as manipulation than prophecy. And yet, in 

Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day

[Mike Weaver]

Arggh.

This is an informal intelligence test that has been circulating aroun 
the Internet for at least 8 years under different guises. 
IT IS A HOAX.  DO PAY ANY ATTENTION TO IT.

I mean, think for a minute: It has been calculated - by whom?  Some 
bored kid in a dorm?
In the US, no one buy gas on Christmas Day and nothing happens.

-Mike Home of the 500.00 dollar Nieman Marcus Cookie Recipe Weaver


Kirk McLoren wrote:

 Choke on their stockpiles. Sigh.
 Do they choke on their stockpiles when transportation is disrupted by 
 storms -- and that is often for many days.
 Switching to a renewable fuel and not using fuel by changing life 
 style are all that will work.
  
 Kirk

 */Stan [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote:

 This is mostly an incorrect rumor.
 http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/nogas.asp - It'd better serve
 everyone to forward accurate information about alternatives to
 petroleum.

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 This was forwarded to me, so I am sending it to all of you to
 forward if you want to.
 
 
 It has been calculated that if everyone in the United States and
 Canada did not purchase a drop of gasoline for one day and all
 at the same time, the oil companies would choke on their
 stockpiles.
 
 At the same time it would hit the entire industry with a net loss of
 over 4.6 billion dollars which affects the bottom lines of the oil
 companies.
 
 Therefore September 1st has been formally declared stick it up
 their behind  day and the people of these two nations should not
 buy a single drop of gasoline that day.

 
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Re: [Biofuel] Magnetic boots

[Joe Street]

How did you move the lever then??

Nick  Jenny wrote:

  OK I may have come in late on this but you can cancel a permenant magnetic
field, look up magnetic vise or chuck. They are used on milling machines to
secure the workpiece. The magnets are "swiched off" using a lever. No power
or external device required.

Regards
Nick

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of bob allen
Sent: Thursday, 25 August 2005 1:18 AM
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Magnetic boots


ah yes, magnets once again -hold on to your wallet

Wes Moore wrote:
  
  
I received the following a few days ago.  I suspect there may be folks
on this list who would find this interesting.  The source is from
Anthony Craddock who organizes info for Dr Tom Bearden .   the page that
is linked at the bottom also has Tom Bearden’s website linked.

Wes





Try finding the original magnetic astronauts boots that were developed
by NASA. The original boots were excellent. For the acceptance tests, an
engineer clad as an astronaut walked across the bottom of a steel beam
in a high bay research area, upside down against the pull of Earth's
gravity. He /stepped/ as he walked, putting his foot "down" and then
picking it "up".

There is no problem in finding magnets strong enough to hold the
astronaut firmly in such an upside position. The problem with simple
magnetic boots using such strong magnets is that, once the foot is
planted, unless he is King Kong himself, the astronaut cannot pick up
the foot again.

However, the Radus boots completely solved that problem. If the
permanent magnet fields are switched off

  
  
uh, how do you switch off a permanent magnet?  ans. you don't and
everything following is therefore BS

for that foot that the
  
  
astronaut wishes to lift, he can lift it easily and take another step.
Then if the fields are switched on again as he places his foot down,
this switching of the fields allows him to walk in a manner resembling
normal walking, though a little slower.

To do that switching by normal "battery and coils" would be
prohibitively bulky and heavy ­ and awkward to say the least.

With the Radus boots, the astronaut could pick up his foot by simply
switching off the permanent magnetic fields easily. They switched on
again when he placed the foot down. And he did not have to carry a huge
battery around with him, to furnish enormous current to do that.

Well, it doesn't take a genius to see that, when you can switch a
permanent magnet's fields easily, and the magnet also has a built-in
memory as did the Radus magnets, then with a little ingenuity in
switching one could use such switchable magnets to produce a
self-switching, self-powered permanent magnet motor.

  
  

oooh, free energy


  The magnet, being a
  
  
permanent dipole, is already a particular kind of "free energy
generator", since it continuously gates magnetic energy

  
  
no such thing as magnetic energy

  directly from
  
  
the vacuum due to its asymmetry in the energetic vacuum flux.

From the energy barons' viewpoint, those Radus magnets and Radus boots had

  
  to
  
  
go, and go quickly. And go they did.


  
  nonsense


  
  
So NASA then developed the present "shuffler" kind of magnetic boots
where the astronaut can't pull his boot loose from the surface, but must
"scoot" his feet along in a sliding and painfully awkward fashion. That
way, you see, no one can use the boot magnets ­ which now are just
rather ordinary permanent magnets, without memories and without
switchable fields ­ to make an overunity device or a self-powering
permanent magnet engine.

Tom Bearden


Radus family members have now very kindly provided photos of the
original boots, which can be seen at

http://www.cheniere.org/misc/astroboots.htm


  
  


--
Bob Allen
http://ozarker.org/bob

"Science is what we have learned about how to keep
from fooling ourselves" — Richard Feynman

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[Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day

[Andy Karpay]

It would seem that NOT buying gas on Sept 1 will do nothing.  If
errands, and gasoline (burning) continues without BUYING it will only be
delayed until, say, Sept 2, or 3.  You'd need a global (or at least
national) NO DRIVE WEEK.  If everyone didn't drive, or use gasoline for
a week it could cause a dip in their profits.  I would imagine that if
we were able to cut our gasoline purchasing down to ONE GALLON PER WEEK
FOR THE ENTIRE NATION that they would charge 1 billion dollars for that
gallon, and find a reason because it was so expensive to produce and
transport that ONE GALLON.  Better you should not USE any petroleum
products on Sept 1.  Walk or bicycle, or bio, or veggie instead.
I suggest reading it for yourself at the link previously provided by
Stan (see below).  It reiterates what I have just spewed, and should
have just copied it to save my finger's energy (veggie powered).

Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 02:37:32 -0400
From: Stan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day


This is mostly an incorrect rumor. 
http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/nogas.asp - It'd better serve 
everyone to forward accurate information about alternatives to
petroleum.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

This was forwarded to me, so I am sending it to all of  you to 
forward if you want to.


It has been calculated that if everyone in the United States and 
Canada did not purchase a drop of gasoline for one day and all 
at the same time, the oil companies would choke on their 
stockpiles.

At the same time it would hit the entire industry with a net loss of 
over 4.6 billion dollars which affects the bottom lines of the oil 
companies.

Therefore September 1st has been formally declared stick it up 
their behind  day and the people of these two nations should not 
buy a single drop of gasoline that day.

The only way this can be done is if you forward this e-mail to as 
many people as you can and as quickly as you can to get the 
word out.

Waiting on the government to step in and control the prices is not 
going to happen. What happened to the reduction and control in 
prices that the Arab nations promised two weeks ago?

Remember one thing, not only is the price of gasoline going up 
but at the same time airlines are forced to raise their prices, 
trucking companies are forced to raise their prices which effects 
prices on everything that is shipped. Things like food, clothing, 
building materials, medical supplies, etc. Who pays in the end? 
We do!

We can make a difference. If they don't get the message after 
one day, we will do it again and again.

So do your part and spread the word. Forward this email to 
everyone you know.

Mark your calendars and make September 1st a day that the 
citizens of the United States and Canada say enough is 
enough




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Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day

[marilyn]

effort to take  public transportation for a whole month.

Biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote:
This is mostly an incorrect rumor. 
http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/nogas.asp - It'd better 
serve everyone to forward accurate information about 
alternatives to petroleum.

Thanks for the reply, and especially for the Snopes site. I hadn't 
heard if it. I will check it from now on.

I was concerned about the cost to the station owners, but 
wondered it it was part of a larger plan to start with a one day 
boycott as a symbol of protest, then move from there to a longer 
period that would have a major impact. I figured if anyone knew 
this, it would be this group.
Marilyn

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Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day

[mphee]

http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/nogas.asp

On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 07:08:06 -0700 (PDT), Kirk McLoren wrote
 Choke on their stockpiles. Sigh. 
 Do they choke on their stockpiles when transportation is disrupted 
 by storms -- and that is often for many days. Switching to a 
 renewable fuel and not using fuel by changing life style are all 
 that will work.
  
 Kirk
 
 Stan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 This is mostly an incorrect rumor. 
 http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/nogas.asp - It'd better 
 serve everyone to forward accurate information about alternatives to 
 petroleum.
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 This was forwarded to me, so I am sending it to all of you to 
 forward if you want to.
 
 
 It has been calculated that if everyone in the United States and 
 Canada did not purchase a drop of gasoline for one day and all 
 at the same time, the oil companies would choke on their 
 stockpiles.
 
 At the same time it would hit the entire industry with a net loss of 
 over 4.6 billion dollars which affects the bottom lines of the oil 
 companies.
 
 Therefore September 1st has been formally declared stick it up 
 their behind  day and the people of these two nations should not 
 buy a single drop of gasoline that day.
 
   
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Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day

[mphee]

Station owners really don't make much money off of gas.  Their lucky to make a
nickel a gallon.  They make their money on what's called C-Store sales.

If more people could take public transportation it would help greatly.


Funny tidbit.  BP says they loose money on their gas stations, $100mil last
year.  You refine it, you transport it, you store it, you delivery it, and you
sell it.  How do you loose money when you control all aspects of it.  Just by
vertues of econmies of scale you have to make money.


On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 14:46:25 GMT, marilyn wrote
 effort to take  public transportation for a whole month.
 
 Biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote:
 This is mostly an incorrect rumor. 
 http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/nogas.asp - It'd better 
 serve everyone to forward accurate information about 
 alternatives to petroleum.
 
 Thanks for the reply, and especially for the Snopes site. I hadn't 
 heard if it. I will check it from now on.
 
 I was concerned about the cost to the station owners, but 
 wondered it it was part of a larger plan to start with a one day 
 boycott as a symbol of protest, then move from there to a longer 
 period that would have a major impact. I figured if anyone knew 
 this, it would be this group.
 Marilyn


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Re: [Biofuel] Query on MTBE

[quimica_nova_sa]

Subramanian.
You can also try the web pages of MTBE manufacturers, where they can explain 
other applications apart from its use as octane enhancer.
One leading company back in the '80s was ARCO.

Anyhow, for sure, there is no large tonnage application for MTBE, other than as 
octane enhancer. 
Best regards.
Marcelino

- Mensaje original -
De: Juan Boveda [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Fecha: Lunes, Agosto 29, 2005 10:30 am
Asunto: Re: [Biofuel] Query on MTBE

 Hello Subramanian.
 For the possibles uses of MTBE try a search at the United States 
 Patent 
 Office using MTBE or Methyl Terbutyl Ether.
 
 www.uspto.gov/patft/index.html
 
 www.uspto.gov/netahtml/search-bool.html
 
 It might be a lot but select for chemical synthesis using MTBE as 
 one of 
 the reacting compounds, specially if you know or are able to know, 
 that 
 they have at least a chemical reactor for organic synthesis. With 
 that 
 information you could look for the line of products from that 
 'reputed oil 
 refining and marketing company' and guest if they can use in some 
 of them. 
 So, you will be somehow ready for the answer 'we use it for that 
 products, 
 not for gasoline'.
 Regards.
 
 Juan
 
 -Original Message-
 From: subramanian D.V [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 28/08 2005 10:18 AM
 For:  Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
 Subject:  [Biofuel] Query on MTBE
 
 
 Hello Members,
 
 MTBE - Methyl tertiary butyl ether - an oxygenate for blending 
 with 
 gasoline in U.S around 1990, acquired a bad reputation quickly 
 because of 
 its capacity for polluting the environment and affecting human 
 beings. I 
 understand that the groundwater in most parts of US has been 
 polluted with 
 MTBE to varying degrees; it was banned in certain States of US for 
 mixing 
 with gasoline.
 
 It is banned in India too, as an oxygenate. Can any of you tell me 
 what 
 could be the possible use of MTBE other than as an oxygenate 
 additive when 
 a reputed oil refining and marketing company buys 10 tmt of MTBE 
 from VITOL 
 traders. I want to be doubly sure before raising this in the 
 Indian 
 Press.Thank you.
 
 Regards,
 
 Subramanian
 
 
 
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Re: [Biofuel] another reason to work for energy independence

[mphee]

The econmic meltdown doesn't scare me as much as the next world war.

The economy has had meltdowns before and it will again.  I believe the US is
resourcful enough to come back.  Though our great dependacy on foreign oil
could make that a lot harder.

As oil is depleted more and more there will be maneuvering by countries to
retain/adquire/secure the last reserves.  Is it completely outside the realm
of possiblities that's why we're in iraq.  China's army out numbers us at
least 2 to 1, but not as advanced and trained.  India's army is becoming more
advanced all the time.  Both of which are a lot closer than us to the middle
east.  Give them 10-20 years.

US has dug a pretty deep hole.  Carter had put in new CAFE (milage requiremnts
for cars/trucks) requiremnts that Reagan through out.  If they had stayed it
could have greatly reduced our dependancy on oil.  Transportation uses 74% of
the 20+ mbbls we use a day of oil.



On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 07:16:11 -0700 (PDT), Kirk McLoren wrote
 http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/printpage/0,5942,16416680,
 00.html  
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 Print this page 
 Dumping of US dollar could trigger 'economic September 11'
 There is a potentially fatal flaw at the heart of the global 
 economy: the strong possibility of financial meltdown following a 
 collapse of confidence in the greenback, Clyde Prestowitz tells 
 Bruce Stannard 29aug05
 
 THE nightmare scenario that haunts global strategist Clyde 
 Prestowitz is an economic September 11 -- a worldwide financial 
 panic triggered by a sudden massive sell-off of US dollars that 
 would lead inexorably to the collapse of economies around the world.
 


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Re: [Biofuel] Virus Warnings

 Yes, I agree Linux is great when you can get all the pieces together to make it work, their Hardware Compatability List is somewhat limited on what devices you can use compared to Windows and for new users navigation can be a little cumbersom to learn something new. The upside of it is less down time and less viruses, also more open source to cutomize it more if you can get over the first hill of getting it all together. For Linux if you know nothing about it and want the best support in the industry to be able to get things done I would choose Linspire http://www.linspire.com/ The guy who created this was once a Microsoft employee and had left the company to create his own, he also has an internet phone company and a online music service plus something else I cannot think of right now. Myk  

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Re: [Biofuel] The myth behind non-taxable, off-road fuel was Re: There derrivatives of Barrel Oil, have you wondered ?

[Chris Chuck McGuire]

Here in Montana the differrence is $0.50 per gallon.  And that is 
probably why the Highway Patrol and GVW departments are advertisiing 
about the illegality of using dyed fuel in your on-road vehicle.  Of 
course, they have to have probable cause to stop you to dip your tank...

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Re: [Biofuel] BP loses money?? Yeah, right.

[Jerry Eyers]

 Funny tidbit.BP says they loose money on their gas stations, $100mil last
 year.You refine it, you transport it, you store it, you delivery it, and you
 sell it.How do you loose money when you control all aspects of it.Just by
 vertues of econmies of scale you have to make money.

I say (and show on my books) thatI can get "X" to make and deliver to the
station product "Y". But, the station can only sell product "Y" for "X-$0.05".
Therefore, even though I know I made "X-$0.05", I state that I SHOULD
have been able to make "X" since that was the stated cost. Therefore, I
lost money.

Typical business book-padding. You will find that padding at every step,
and on every ingredient, step in the process, movement, etc.

The way they pull that off is to have a "separate" company do each step,
and sell the product to another of their companies (i.e. to themselves) but
at a "fair market value" level (also set by themselves).

That way, they can claim business loss on their taxes for each step
and thus avoid paying taxes, but still have a large profit to pad their
pocket with.

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Re: [Biofuel] another reason to work for energy independence

[Bob Clark]

Hello Kirk and all,

This was a very appropriate time and place to interject this discussion THANK YOU!! Maybe we'll see a few more 'scare cycles' first, but this scenario is very likely to happen sometime in the future

I have been following this scenario very closely (starting back with the Y2K threat) and it was a huge factor in my decision to start working with bio-fuels. I am not quite yet as self-sustaining as I would like to be, but I've come a long ways. The only adviceI could offer is to invest in gold and KEEP ADVANCING YOUR INTEREST AND PRODUCTION IN BIO-FUELS. 

As for gold, it may not seem like a currency anymore, but historically in times of economic hardship, gold has always maintained a value as a "barter tool" and, in my opinion, buying expensive collector pieces makes no sense at all. If a coin becomes worth twenty-thousand dollars but there's no one with the money to buy it, it's still worthless. (And besides, the paper money would be just as worthless too). However, the smallest increment gold coins you can get (I personally prefer 20 franc Swiss and French coins, as well as 1/10 ounce and 1/4 ounce US coins) would be a great thing to have on hand when shoes are several hundred dollars a pair and bread is ten bucks a loaf and so on and so on. You sure wouldn't want to have only one ounce coins and try to go shopping (although a few large coins would be handy if you had to replace a vehicle) because if gold reaches one or two thousand dollars per ounce (as some economists have predicted) then it would be pretty tough to barter for smaller items when no one had 'change' to give you.

As for the bio-fuels, my only concern is the WVO sources!! Where will we get it when the restaurants close down en masse?? I am also in a particularly precarious position if cattle and pig farms can no longer operate becauseI depend on their "raw material" (manure) to power my generator. BUT, I can always raise a few cows and chickens of my own (would need the meat, eggsand milk anyway) and keep growing corn for ethanol -- but producing B-diesel could become a problem.

My personal solution to that would be to grow jojoba and squeeze my own virgin oil to convert, because I have had experience with jojoba growing in the past. I realize everybody isn't situated in a place they can grow enough of their own crop so I'm very interested in ideas for a source for WVO (or another crop source) should the scenario in the story Kirk posted come to pass??

Sure, this could just be one more time that an economist has cried wolf, but wouldn't it be wise to be prepared in case it isn't? The US certainly will continue to run on huge trade deficits and sooner or later a large enough bank (to matter) will dump the dollars. Maybe not this time -- but it will happen someday!!

Bob C.-Original Message- From: Kirk McLoren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Aug 29, 2005 10:16 AM To: biofuel Subject: [Biofuel] another reason to work for energy independence 

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/printpage/0,5942,16416680,00.html






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Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day

[Darryl McMahon]

Well, then I guess we can expect to see BP putting all their gasoline stations 
up 
for sale.  After all, the managers are required to maximize the returns for 
their 
shareholders.  If the stations are losing money, they have to dump them.  I 
won't 
be holding my breath.

As for gas-outs - it's a sad joke, as has been pointed out here before.

If you want to reduce gasoline (and diesel) consumption, for whatever reason, 
here's a start on what you can do to make a difference.

1)  Walk somewhere.  Anywhere.  Just leave your guzzler parked.

2)  Get a bicycle.  Preferably something used.  Try your local FreeCycle, or 
bike 
repair co-op, or a used bike dealer.  Find something comfortable and practical 
for 
your use.  Then use it.

3)  Check the pressure on the tires on your vehicle.  Correct if necessary.  
Slight 
overinflation is better for fuel economy than slight underinflation.  Repeat 
monthly or more frequently if required.

4)  Have your vehicle tuned up on a regular, appropriate schedule.  Check 
owner's 
manual for details.  Check for dragging brakes, emissions control system 
problems, 
etc while you are at it.

5)  Plan your trips to minimize distance travelled (trip chaining).

6)  Use public transit when available and appropriate.  Or carpool.

7)  Use biofuels, e.g. E100, E85, E10 as recommended for your vehicle.  There 
are 
many flex-fuel vehicles on the road in the U.S. due to CAFE dual-fuel 
incentive, 
where the owners don't even know the vehicle is flex-fuel capable.  Check your 
vehicle manual.  Use biodiesel blend where available or appropriate (or make 
your 
own, of course).

8)  Take extra weight out of your vehicle, as accelerating extra weight uses 
more 
energy, and de-accelerating extra weight increases brake wear.  (e.g. sand and 
salt 
mixture for winter use should not be in the trunk all sumer as well).

9)  When shopping for tires, look for economizer / fuel miser / energy wise 
labels.

10)  When shopping for a replacement vehicle, look for something that is as 
fuel-
efficient as possible while meeting most of your needs - not necessarily all of 
your needs.  You can rent a vehicle to meet occasional requirements.

11)  If you want to make a political statement, pick an oil company to boycott 
or 
support.  Personally, I try to buy from MacEwen's because they are local and 
have 
been promoting ethanol blend here since before it was fashionable.  I boycott 
Exxon/Esso/Imperial Oil due to their horrendous environmental record (and other 
undesirable practices).  Trust me, if we actually managed to drop Exxon's gross 
revenue in a regional market by 10% for a quarter, that would definitely get 
their 
attention.  Giving their station attendants and cashiers a quiet day won't.

12)  Try to drive to avoid periods of traffic congestion.  You get 0 mpg when 
idling in stopped traffic.

I'm sure others can contribute more ideas beyond the list above.  My point is, 
don't act for a day, act for a lifetime.

Darryl McMahon



mphee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Station owners really don't make much money off of gas.  Their lucky to make a
 nickel a gallon.  They make their money on what's called C-Store sales.
 
 If more people could take public transportation it would help greatly.
 
 
 Funny tidbit.  BP says they loose money on their gas stations, $100mil last
 year.  You refine it, you transport it, you store it, you delivery it, and you
 sell it.  How do you loose money when you control all aspects of it.  Just by
 vertues of econmies of scale you have to make money.
 
 
 On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 14:46:25 GMT, marilyn wrote
  effort to take  public transportation for a whole month.
  
  Biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote:
  This is mostly an incorrect rumor. 
  http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/nogas.asp - It'd better 
  serve everyone to forward accurate information about 
  alternatives to petroleum.
  
  Thanks for the reply, and especially for the Snopes site. I hadn't 
  heard if it. I will check it from now on.
  
  I was concerned about the cost to the station owners, but 
  wondered it it was part of a larger plan to start with a one day 
  boycott as a symbol of protest, then move from there to a longer 
  period that would have a major impact. I figured if anyone knew 
  this, it would be this group.
  Marilyn
 
 
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[Biofuel] Linux, virii and Microsoft

[Rumen Slavov]

   Hi all,Hi Mike,
   Grutje, Arden, you have never been alone!Linuxoids
are all over the world! MS has been kicked out from
Japan, China and even from Bavaria!
  Dear Mike,rarely there are homes with just one
comp.In my house there are 4 and the net comes trough
firewalled router on Linux kernel, supplying two more
houses with shared Internet. This situation lasts for
2,5 years now and we all have not experienced any
troubles.My comp is dual boot - Linux/XP, `kuz my son
likes to play games under Windows, but even in this
case everything goes smooth.
  I would like to ask for assistance again - do
somebody knows how perform quality test of BD using
paper chromatography?
  Best to all
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Re: [Biofuel] Query on MTBE

[Keith Addison]

Hello Subramanian

Not of direct use, like Juan's reply, but this might be useful - 
factsheet and other resources on MTBE as an oxygenate additive:

http://journeytoforever.org/ethanol_mtbe.html
MTBE Fact Sheet
 
Best wishes

Keith


Hello Members,

MTBE – Methyl tertiary butyl ether - an oxygenate for blending with 
gasoline in U.S around 1990, acquired a bad reputation quickly 
because of its capacity for polluting the environment and affecting 
human beings. I understand that the groundwater in most parts of US 
has been polluted with MTBE to varying degrees; it was banned in 
certain States of US for mixing with gasoline.

It is banned in India too, as an oxygenate. Can any of you tell me 
what could be the possible use of MTBE other than as an oxygenate 
additive when a reputed oil refining and marketing company buys 10 
tmt of MTBE from VITOL traders. I want to be doubly sure before 
raising this in the Indian Press.Thank you.

Regards,

Subramanian


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Re: [Biofuel] BP loses money?? Yeah, right.

[dwoodard]

It's all part of the standard multinational corporation planning to move
the profits to the jurisdiction in which they are taxed least
(preferably not at all).

Doug Woodard
St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada



On Mon, 29 Aug 2005, Jerry Eyers wrote:

  Funny tidbit.  BP says they loose money on their gas stations, $100mil
 last
  year.  You refine it, you transport it, you store it, you delivery it, and
 you
  sell it.  How do you loose money when you control all aspects of it.  Just
 by
  vertues of econmies of scale you have to make money.


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Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day

[Keith Addison]

Bravo Andy!

Do you know about the World Carfree Network?

http://www.worldcarfree.net/

Subscribe to WORLD CARFREE NEWS: 
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
eng

Best wishes

Keith


It would seem that NOT buying gas on Sept 1 will do nothing.  If
errands, and gasoline (burning) continues without BUYING it will only be
delayed until, say, Sept 2, or 3.  You'd need a global (or at least
national) NO DRIVE WEEK.  If everyone didn't drive, or use gasoline for
a week it could cause a dip in their profits.  I would imagine that if
we were able to cut our gasoline purchasing down to ONE GALLON PER WEEK
FOR THE ENTIRE NATION that they would charge 1 billion dollars for that
gallon, and find a reason because it was so expensive to produce and
transport that ONE GALLON.  Better you should not USE any petroleum
products on Sept 1.  Walk or bicycle, or bio, or veggie instead.
I suggest reading it for yourself at the link previously provided by
Stan (see below).  It reiterates what I have just spewed, and should
have just copied it to save my finger's energy (veggie powered).

Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 02:37:32 -0400
From: Stan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day


This is mostly an incorrect rumor.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/nogas.asp - It'd better serve
everyone to forward accurate information about alternatives to
petroleum.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 This was forwarded to me, so I am sending it to all of  you to
 forward if you want to.

snip


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Re: [Biofuel] Magnetic boots

[Chris lloyd]

The magnets are "swiched off" using a lever. No power or external 
device required. How did you move the lever then?? 


It is not that there is no force used to move the 
lever, it takes very little force to move the lever and without moving itI 
cannot move the tool holder. The force used to move the lever 
seemsdisproportional to the release of the tool holder. 
Chris.

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Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day

[marilyn]

Biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote:

11)  If you want to make a political statement, pick an oil 
company to boycott or support..

You all probably know this, but in case some don't, the following 
can help in choosing which ones you might decide to boycott:

Major companies that import Middle Eastern oil : 
Shell. 205,742,000 barrels 
Chevron/Texaco. 144,332,000 barrels 
Exxon /Mobil... 130,082,000 barrels 
Marathon/Speedway... 117,740,000 barrels 
Amoco62,231,000 barrels 

Some large companies that do not import Middle Eastern oil: 
Citgo...0 barrels 
Sunoco.0 barrels 
Conoco.0 barrels 
Sinclair.0 barrels 
BP/Phillips0 barrels 
Hess0 barrels 
ARCO...0 barrels 

All of this information is available from the Department of Energy 
and each is required to state where they get their oil and how 
much they are importing. 







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[Biofuel] Government Regs

[Peter Childers]

I am investigating the State of North Carolina tax 
regulations on BioFuel production. I find out the tax rate is 27.1 cents per 
gallon and I have to post a surety bond for $2000 for a license. That is 
required for any type of Biodiesel production up to 500,000 gallons per year. I 
am still investigating the Federal tax requirements. North Carolina has even 
definedblending, mixing of regular diesel with WVO as a person who needs 
to post this bond. So if you plan to drive up to the French fry shack and dump 
some WVO in your tank you'll need a license with a $2000 bond and have to pay a 
tax. How is it in other States?Are all you Biodieselers operatingin 
the underground market?
Peter
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Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day

[John Hayes]

 You all probably know this, but in case some don't, the following 
 can help in choosing which ones you might decide to boycott:
 
 Major companies that import Middle Eastern oil : 
 Shell. 205,742,000 barrels 
 Chevron/Texaco. 144,332,000 barrels 
 Exxon /Mobil... 130,082,000 barrels 
 Marathon/Speedway... 117,740,000 barrels 
 Amoco62,231,000 barrels 
 
 Some large companies that do not import Middle Eastern oil: 
 Citgo...0 barrels 
 Sunoco.0 barrels 
 Conoco.0 barrels 
 Sinclair.0 barrels 
 BP/Phillips0 barrels 
 Hess0 barrels 
 ARCO...0 barrels 
 
 All of this information is available from the Department of Energy 
 and each is required to state where they get their oil and how 
 much they are importing. 

*sigh*

Yet another hoax.

First of all, the numbers are flat out wrong. Second, even if they were 
correct, oil is a fungible commodity, rendering any such boycott 
meaningless.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/saudigas.asp

jh

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Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day

[Keith Addison]

Hi Darryl

Very nice!

I'm sure others can contribute more ideas beyond the list above.  My point is,
don't act for a day, act for a lifetime.

I'm also sure, there've been some good contributions so far.

If we can et some more I can compile them and make a page at Journey 
to Forever for it, might help.

It would be nice to internationalise it a bit, but if it doesn't work 
out that way I don't mind.

Best wishes

Keith



Well, then I guess we can expect to see BP putting all their 
gasoline stations up
for sale.  After all, the managers are required to maximize the 
returns for their
shareholders.  If the stations are losing money, they have to dump 
them.  I won't
be holding my breath.

As for gas-outs - it's a sad joke, as has been pointed out here before.

If you want to reduce gasoline (and diesel) consumption, for whatever reason,
here's a start on what you can do to make a difference.

1)  Walk somewhere.  Anywhere.  Just leave your guzzler parked.

2)  Get a bicycle.  Preferably something used.  Try your local 
FreeCycle, or bike
repair co-op, or a used bike dealer.  Find something comfortable and 
practical for
your use.  Then use it.

3)  Check the pressure on the tires on your vehicle.  Correct if 
necessary.  Slight
overinflation is better for fuel economy than slight underinflation.  Repeat
monthly or more frequently if required.

4)  Have your vehicle tuned up on a regular, appropriate schedule. 
Check owner's
manual for details.  Check for dragging brakes, emissions control 
system problems,
etc while you are at it.

5)  Plan your trips to minimize distance travelled (trip chaining).

6)  Use public transit when available and appropriate.  Or carpool.

7)  Use biofuels, e.g. E100, E85, E10 as recommended for your 
vehicle.  There are
many flex-fuel vehicles on the road in the U.S. due to CAFE 
dual-fuel incentive,
where the owners don't even know the vehicle is flex-fuel capable.  Check your
vehicle manual.  Use biodiesel blend where available or appropriate 
(or make your
own, of course).

8)  Take extra weight out of your vehicle, as accelerating extra 
weight uses more
energy, and de-accelerating extra weight increases brake wear. 
(e.g. sand and salt
mixture for winter use should not be in the trunk all sumer as well).

9)  When shopping for tires, look for economizer / fuel miser / 
energy wise labels.

10)  When shopping for a replacement vehicle, look for something 
that is as fuel-
efficient as possible while meeting most of your needs - not 
necessarily all of
your needs.  You can rent a vehicle to meet occasional requirements.

11)  If you want to make a political statement, pick an oil company 
to boycott or
support.  Personally, I try to buy from MacEwen's because they are 
local and have
been promoting ethanol blend here since before it was fashionable.  I boycott
Exxon/Esso/Imperial Oil due to their horrendous environmental record 
(and other
undesirable practices).  Trust me, if we actually managed to drop 
Exxon's gross
revenue in a regional market by 10% for a quarter, that would 
definitely get their
attention.  Giving their station attendants and cashiers a quiet day won't.

12)  Try to drive to avoid periods of traffic congestion.  You get 0 mpg when
idling in stopped traffic.

I'm sure others can contribute more ideas beyond the list above.  My point is,
don't act for a day, act for a lifetime.

Darryl McMahon



mphee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Station owners really don't make much money off of gas.  Their 
lucky to make a
  nickel a gallon.  They make their money on what's called C-Store sales.
 
  If more people could take public transportation it would help greatly.
 
 
  Funny tidbit.  BP says they loose money on their gas stations, $100mil last
  year.  You refine it, you transport it, you store it, you 
delivery it, and you
  sell it.  How do you loose money when you control all aspects of 
it.  Just by
  vertues of econmies of scale you have to make money.
 
 
  On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 14:46:25 GMT, marilyn wrote
   effort to take  public transportation for a whole month.
  
   Biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote:
   This is mostly an incorrect rumor.
   http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/nogas.asp - It'd better
   serve everyone to forward accurate information about
   alternatives to petroleum.
  
   Thanks for the reply, and especially for the Snopes site. I hadn't
   heard if it. I will check it from now on.
  
   I was concerned about the cost to the station owners, but
   wondered it it was part of a larger plan to start with a one day
   boycott as a symbol of protest, then move from there to a longer
   period that would have a major impact. I figured if anyone knew
   this, it would be this group.
   Marilyn
 


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Re: [Biofuel] Linux, virii and Microsoft

[Keith Addison]

Hello Rumen

snip

  I would like to ask for assistance again - do
somebody knows how perform quality test of BD using
paper chromatography?

You might find something useful here, 22 hits:
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onfig=biofuel_sustainablelists_orgrestrict=exclude=words=%22paper+c 
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Or:
http://snipurl.com/hal1
Search results for 'paper chromatography'

Best wishes

Keith


  Best to all
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Re: [Biofuel] Magnetic boots

[Joe Street]

You mean a little force over a long distance like?

Chris lloyd wrote:

  
  
  
  
  The magnets are "swiched off" using a lever. No power or
external device required.
  
 How did you move the lever then?? 
   
  It is not that there is no force
used to move the lever, it takes very little force to move the lever
and without moving it I cannot move the tool holder. The force used to
move the lever seems disproportional to the release of the tool
holder.   Chris. 
   
  

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Re: [Biofuel] Magnetic boots

[Kirk McLoren]

I assure you the force distance product exceeds the strength of the magnet(s)
KirkChris lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:




The magnets are "swiched off" using a lever. No power or external device required. How did you move the lever then?? 

It is not that there is no force used to move the lever, it takes very little force to move the lever and without moving itI cannot move the tool holder. The force used to move the lever seemsdisproportional to the release of the tool holder. Chris.
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Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day

[marilyn]

Thanks. I should have looked for this one on Snopes before I 
sent it.

Biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote:
 You all probably know this, but in case some don't, the 
following 
 can help in choosing which ones you might decide to boycott:
 
 Major companies that import Middle Eastern oil : 
 Shell. 205,742,000 barrels 
 Chevron/Texaco. 144,332,000 barrels 
 Exxon /Mobil... 130,082,000 barrels 
 Marathon/Speedway... 117,740,000 barrels 
 Amoco62,231,000 barrels 
 
 Some large companies that do not import Middle Eastern oil: 
 Citgo...0 barrels 
 Sunoco.0 barrels 
 Conoco.0 barrels 
 Sinclair.0 barrels 
 BP/Phillips0 barrels 
 Hess0 barrels 
 ARCO...0 barrels 
 
 All of this information is available from the Department of 
Energy 
 and each is required to state where they get their oil and how 
 much they are importing. 

*sigh*

Yet another hoax.

First of all, the numbers are flat out wrong. Second, even if they 
were 
correct, oil is a fungible commodity, rendering any such boycott 
meaningless.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/saudigas.asp

jh

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Re: [Biofuel] Magnetic boots

[Chris lloyd]

 You mean a little force over a long distance like? 

Hi Joe, what is the lever doing inside the tool 
holder, it moves about 4 inches. Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Joe Street 
  To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
  
  Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 6:39 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Magnetic 
  boots
  You mean a little force over a long distance like?Chris 
  lloyd wrote:
  



The magnets are "swiched off" using a lever. No power or external 
device required. How did you move the lever then?? 


It is not that there is no force used to move 
the lever, it takes very little force to move the lever and without moving 
itI cannot move the tool holder. The force used to move the lever 
seemsdisproportional to the release of the tool holder. 
Chris.

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Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day

[Darryl McMahon]

Keith, good idea.  I'll keep track here too.  It will give me an excuse to 
update 
my page at
http://www.econogics.com/en/enenergy.htm#Transportation .  It needs some 
tidying up 
anyway.

Darryl


Date sent:  Tue, 30 Aug 2005 02:21:24 +0900
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
From:   Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day
Send reply to:  Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Hi Darryl
 
 Very nice!
 
 I'm sure others can contribute more ideas beyond the list above.  My point 
 is,
 don't act for a day, act for a lifetime.
 
 I'm also sure, there've been some good contributions so far.
 
 If we can et some more I can compile them and make a page at Journey 
 to Forever for it, might help.
 
 It would be nice to internationalise it a bit, but if it doesn't work 
 out that way I don't mind.
 
 Best wishes
 
 Keith
 
 
 
 Well, then I guess we can expect to see BP putting all their 
 gasoline stations up
 for sale.  After all, the managers are required to maximize the 
 returns for their
 shareholders.  If the stations are losing money, they have to dump 
 them.  I won't
 be holding my breath.
 
 As for gas-outs - it's a sad joke, as has been pointed out here before.
 
 If you want to reduce gasoline (and diesel) consumption, for whatever reason,
 here's a start on what you can do to make a difference.
 
 1)  Walk somewhere.  Anywhere.  Just leave your guzzler parked.
 
 2)  Get a bicycle.  Preferably something used.  Try your local 
 FreeCycle, or bike
 repair co-op, or a used bike dealer.  Find something comfortable and 
 practical for
 your use.  Then use it.
 
 3)  Check the pressure on the tires on your vehicle.  Correct if 
 necessary.  Slight
 overinflation is better for fuel economy than slight underinflation.  Repeat
 monthly or more frequently if required.
 
 4)  Have your vehicle tuned up on a regular, appropriate schedule. 
 Check owner's
 manual for details.  Check for dragging brakes, emissions control 
 system problems,
 etc while you are at it.
 
 5)  Plan your trips to minimize distance travelled (trip chaining).
 
 6)  Use public transit when available and appropriate.  Or carpool.
 
 7)  Use biofuels, e.g. E100, E85, E10 as recommended for your 
 vehicle.  There are
 many flex-fuel vehicles on the road in the U.S. due to CAFE 
 dual-fuel incentive,
 where the owners don't even know the vehicle is flex-fuel capable.  Check 
 your
 vehicle manual.  Use biodiesel blend where available or appropriate (or make 
 your
 own, of course).
 
 8)  Take extra weight out of your vehicle, as accelerating extra 
 weight uses more
 energy, and de-accelerating extra weight increases brake wear. 
 (e.g. sand and salt
 mixture for winter use should not be in the trunk all sumer as well).
 
 9)  When shopping for tires, look for economizer / fuel miser / 
 energy wise labels.
 
 10)  When shopping for a replacement vehicle, look for something 
 that is as fuel-
 efficient as possible while meeting most of your needs - not 
 necessarily all of
 your needs.  You can rent a vehicle to meet occasional requirements.
 
 11)  If you want to make a political statement, pick an oil company 
 to boycott or
 support.  Personally, I try to buy from MacEwen's because they are 
 local and have
 been promoting ethanol blend here since before it was fashionable.  I boycott
 Exxon/Esso/Imperial Oil due to their horrendous environmental record 
 (and other
 undesirable practices).  Trust me, if we actually managed to drop 
 Exxon's gross
 revenue in a regional market by 10% for a quarter, that would 
 definitely get their
 attention.  Giving their station attendants and cashiers a quiet day won't.
 
 12)  Try to drive to avoid periods of traffic congestion.  You get 0 mpg when
 idling in stopped traffic.
 
 I'm sure others can contribute more ideas beyond the list above.  My point 
 is,
 don't act for a day, act for a lifetime.
 
 Darryl McMahon
 
 
 
 mphee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   Station owners really don't make much money off of gas.  Their 
 lucky to make a
   nickel a gallon.  They make their money on what's called C-Store sales.
  
   If more people could take public transportation it would help greatly.
  
  
   Funny tidbit.  BP says they loose money on their gas stations, $100mil 
   last
   year.  You refine it, you transport it, you store it, you 
 delivery it, and you
   sell it.  How do you loose money when you control all aspects of 
 it.  Just by
   vertues of econmies of scale you have to make money.
  
  
   On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 14:46:25 GMT, marilyn wrote
effort to take  public transportation for a whole month.
   
Biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote:
This is mostly an incorrect rumor.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/nogas.asp - It'd better
serve everyone to forward accurate information about

Re: [Biofuel] Another use for glycerine

[Nancy Canning]

- Original Message - 
From: John Hayes [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 10:01 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Another use for glycerine



Nancy Canning wrote:

Propylene glycol as it is used tons and tons of products including
industrial cleaners, shampoo's, toothpaste, creams,  etc.  It is very 
toxic,
the industry even has it in children's prescriptions. Wonder if this type 
of
propylene glycol has less poison/carcinogenic toxicity qualities vrs what 
is

out there right now?  Anybody have any info?


Nancy.

You are mistakenly confusing ethylene glycol with propylene glycol. Both
can be used as antifreeze or deicers, but they have very different
metabolic fates in the body. Thus, ethylene glycol is toxic while
propylene glycol is food safe.


What is Propylene Glycol?




Propylene Glycol (PG, Polyethylene Glycol (PEG), Butylene Glycol (BG) and 
Ethylene Glycol (EG) are all petroleum derivatives that act as solvents, 
surfactants, and wetting agents.  They can easily penetrate the skin, and 
can weaken protein and cellular structure.  In fact, PG penetrates the skin 
so quickly that the EPA warns factory workers to avoid skin contact, to 
prevent brain, liver, and kidney abnormalities.  PG is present in many stick 
deodorants, often in heavier concentration than in most industrial 
applications. (Nyack, Dr. Vin, Ph.D., Biochemist; personal communication). 
And Propylene Glycol is what is used to carry the active ingredients in 
those transdermal patches INTO YOUR BODY
Imagine a bottle of Anti-Freeze in a picture with shampoos, deodorants, 
cosmetics, lotions and toothpastes?
The question you should be asking is .. What's Anti-Freeze doing IN my 
shampoos, deodorants, cosmetics, lotions and toothpaste?

Yes, the main ingredient in anti-freeze is in all of these products.
Shocked?  You should be!
You need to understand what it could do to your health.
PROPYLENE GLYCOL
is a colorless, viscous, hygroscopic liquid CH3CHOHCH2OH, used in 
anti-freeze solutions, in hydraulic fluids, and as a solvent.  Also called 
Propanediol

American Heritage Encyclopedia Dictionary
PROPYLENE GLYCOL is used in:
Anti-Freeze  * Brake and Hydraulic Fluid  * De-Icer  * Paints and Coatings 
*  Floor Wax  * Laundry Detergents  * Pet Food  * Tobacco *  Cosmetics  * 
Toothpastes  * Shampoos  * Deodorants  * Lotions * Processed Foods and 
many more personal care items.
Check out your body lotions, deodorant, hair conditioner, hair gel, creams, 
and many more products!
Propylene Glycol serves as a Humectant - a substance that helps retain 
moisture content, or simply -it prevents things from drying out.  That's why 
some pet foods are soft and chewy.  This, of course, is a good reason it's 
in cosmetics and other personal care items.  It makes the skin feel moist 
and soft.  And, the products don't dry out. Propylene Glycol is also found 
in baby wipes and even some processed foods!  Go Ahead, check your labels!
A published clinical review showed propylene glycol causes a significant 
number of reactions and was a primary irritant to the skin even in low 
levels of concentrations.

The American Academy of Dermatologists, Inc; Jan. 1991


What can PROPYLENE GLYCOL Do To Us?
In 1938, the FDA grandfathered the use of several ingredients as safe for 
personal care items, with restrictions of course.  Based on what?  There 
were no studies on repeated exposure over time.
The problem is PROPYLENE GLYCOL may be absorbed through the skin.  Studies 
have shown SYSTEMIC retention (residue throughout).



NOW THIS OPENS UP A WHOLE NEW BALL GAME!
Has anyone or any company tested the long-range side effects from constant 
use of these products?  We haven't found any.  Do these complex chemicals 
build up in our bodies?  If Propylene Glycol keeps things from drying out - 
how?  If it's absorbed into our bloodstream and into our cells, what does it 
do?  Does it affect any of the simple, natural biological functions at the 
cellular level?  You don't need a study to say - it's possible, even likely.


You do need a conclusive study to make the producers stop using these 
ingredients!  Yes, this is beginning to sound like another great American 
Tobacco Scandal.  But before you get complacent and think the government is 
going to step in - think again.   Look how long it has taken the cigarette 
pushers to get grilled - 20 years after the first Surgeon General's report..


The MSDS (Material Safety Data Sheet) for Propylene Glycol says:  May be 
harmful by ingestion or skin absorption.  May cause eye irritation, skin 
irritation.  Chronic exposure can cause gastro-intestinal disturbances, 
nausea, headache and vomiting, central nervous system depression. 
(Toxicological profile for ethylene glycol and propylene glycol (update). 
Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry (ATSDR), 1996.  Atlanta, 
Ga; U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, Public Health Service.)


Propylene glycol 

Re: [Biofuel] Magnetic boots

[Joe Street]

Hi Chris;

Why don't you tell me since you have the device and I don't.  I am
guessing that the lever acts on a fulcrum and raises the magnet from
the base a small distance.  

Joe

Chris lloyd wrote:

  
  
  
  
  
   
  Hi Joe, what is the lever doing
inside the tool holder, it moves about 4 inches.   Chris.  
  
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Sent:
Monday, August 29, 2005 6:39 PM
Subject:
Re: [Biofuel] Magnetic boots


You mean a little force over a long distance like?

Chris lloyd wrote:

  
  
  The magnets are "swiched off" using a lever. No power or
external device required.
  
 How did you move the lever then?? 
   
  It is not that there is no force
used to move the lever, it takes very little force to move the lever
and without moving it I cannot move the tool holder. The force used to
move the lever seems disproportional to the release of the tool
holder.   Chris. 
   
  
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Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day

[RobertCVA]

You get 0 mpg when idling in stopped traffic.

I suppose it's worse than "0". Since in most cars the engine 
keeps running while stopped, it has the effect of a negative mpg on overall gas 
mileage.My 2004 Prius' engine stops when the traffic stops, which is 
great for mpg and air quality. And when traffic is crawling, I can 
usually rely on the electric motor to give me an overall boost to 
mpgs.
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Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day

[Mel Riser]

I'm gonna go down and fill up ALL my diesel vehicles with B100 that day.

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Re: [Biofuel] Religion, Politics Biofuels, and Illusion

[Pannirselvam P.V]

Dear Doug Swanson

 I appreciate
your well thoughtful letter regarding our
list.But I am not able to fully understand yet  that
religion develop illusion as I native of India
, presently in Brazil .Here religion always do better thing
, the school , the hospital , the project for the poor people
. I believe the illusion are made by Big Blue
Corporate company against true religion with ethics and also
true democratic politics using money
power making the illusions.
 Surely all are inter related and I agree with you
that Biofuel bring the people together independent of
politics and religions showing the truth and showing
the green way and great future for global
sustainability.

sd
Pannirselvam P.V.On 8/27/05, des [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There's been a lot of discussion on this list regarding religions andpolitics lately; as well as the diversity in the biofuels subjects.(Isigned up back when I did, not knowing about other fuels, just looking
for more info on biodiesel...)And the expanse of knowledge displayedregarding biofuels has really been an eye-opener.And then, as an addedbonus, the international perspectives on the political and religious
conditions we find around the world have brought to my awarenessinformation and perspectives that I probably wouldn't have found just bygoogling, and certainly wouldn't have discovered had I been isolated tothe paltry servings of information distributed by the US television
nooze programs.I can now clearly see what I only had suspicions about, how closelyrelated politics, big industry, religion, etc. are connected, with atsome level or another a main thread that follows through each subject,
and that being the energy which is available, and what we are preparedto do (either as individuals or as a collective...country / planet) toobtain our fair shareI've wondered at times what kind of demographics this list covers, I
know it is international, but it would be interesting to knowpercentages of folks who are inhabitants of the US, Canada, oilproducing countries, oil poor countries, etc.I guess my curiositystems from the desire to know who is availing themselves of this great
information tool...The primary purpose of this post is, I suppose, to first thank Keith forproviding this forum for all this variety of discussion, but also thoseparticipants who take the time to bring information to the table so that
the rest of us, who may not be as fully informed as we wish / thought wewere, can get a clearer image of the world around us.Religion and politics develop illusions that separate people, thebiofuels list has the ability to bring us back together.
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Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day

[Mike Weaver]

I'm gonna drive my car around the beltway *just for fun* just like the 
guy who was interviewed in the Washington Post last week about gas prices.
He was bemoaning the fact that he couldn't afford to keep his car on the 
road due to gas prices.  Poor fellow.

Mel Riser wrote:

 I'm gonna go down and fill up ALL my diesel vehicles with B100 that day.

  

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[Biofuel] US Intelligent Design Campaign and natural disaster hits oil prices.

[Mike Weaver]

Well, despite all the hoopla put forth by our religiously-minded 
national leaders here in the US, I am have been shocked to find NO 
support for my campaign to replace
evolution with the oldest documented evidence of Intelligent Design.  
Hinduism is easily 7000 years old, and clearly the most likely candidate 
in terms of a continuing body of knowledge, and successful propagation.  
NONE of the educators will even give the time of day - not even in 
Kansas.  I'm beginning to believe that when they say Intelligent Design 
they mean only THEIR notion - an old man with a white beard who created 
the world is 6 days and then rested.  Frankly I'm puzzled.

The Vedas (generally regarded as the earliest piece of written Hindu 
work) are the spiritual laws binding upon all of creation and even upon 
God. It is believed that each veda was written by multiple enlightened 
beings (Hindus) over a long period of time.

Oil Breaches $70 as Hurricane Shuts Gulf of Mexico Production
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Breaches $70 as Hurricane Shuts Gulf of Mexico Production %22)

Aug. 29 (Bloomberg) -- Crude oil rose, at one point reaching a record 
$70.80 a barrel in New York, after Hurricane Katrina forced companies to 
evacuate platforms in the Gulf of Mexico, where 30 percent of U.S. oil 
is produced.

Oil jumped as much as $4.67, or 7.1 percent, the biggest increase in 29 
months. Natural gas, heating oil and gasoline climbed to all-time highs 
as well.

Investors are concerned Katrina, the fiercest storm to strike the U.S. 
Gulf coast since 1969, will rupture pipelines, rip rigs from their 
moorings and disrupt production for weeks. Hurricane Ivan last September 
cut the region's oil output by as much as 80 percent.

``There is a long list of production and refineries out because of the 
hurricane,'' said Tom Bentz, an oil broker at BNP Paribas Commodity 
Futures Inc. in New York. ``The course is similar to what we saw with 
Ivan last year, which hit production for a long time.''

Crude oil for October delivery rose $1.12, or 1.7 percent, to $67.25 a 
barrel at the 2:30 p.m. close of floor trading on the New York 
Mercantile Exchange. Prices peaked within 1 minute of the opening of 
electronic trading. Futures are 56 percent higher than a year ago.

Natural Gas

Nymex declared force majeure on deliveries of natural gas sold under the 
August futures contract after Katrina forced the Henry Hub in Louisiana 
to shut. Force majeure allows producers to avoid penalties for failing 
to deliver supplies because of unforeseen events. Futures contracts 
settled on the exchange are delivered to the Henry Hub.

Natural gas for September delivery jumped $1.458, or 15 percent, to 
$11.25 per million British thermal units in New York. Futures touched 
$12.07, the highest since trading began in 1990. Prices have more than 
doubled in the past year.

``Natural gas is the real worry,'' said Bill O'Grady, assistant director 
of market analysis at A.G. Edwards  Sons in St. Louis. ``Unfortunately 
we can't import the missing production. This is largely a domestic 
market.''

Katrina had sustained winds near 125 miles per hour (201 kph), the 
National Hurricane Center said at 10 a.m. local time. The hurricane's 
center was about 35 miles (56 kilometers) east of New Orleans. Katrina 
was moving north at about 16 mph, the Miami-based center said.

Strategic Reserve

The U.S. filled its Strategic Petroleum Reserve, the nation's emergency 
stockpile of crude oil, to the 700 million- barrel level ordered by 
President George W. Bush after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. The 
Energy Department loaned some oil to refiners whose supply was disrupted 
by Ivan.

Bush is considering tapping the reserve to help oil producers hobbled by 
Katrina, his spokesman Scott McClellan said. No decisions have been 
made, though loaning oil from the reserve is an option, he said.

``The Department of Energy is monitoring the situation. They will make 
assessments as they are able to do so and that's really where it stands 
right now,'' McClellan told reporters today aboard Air Force One as the 
president traveled to Arizona.

U.S. crude-oil supplies jumped 1.9 million barrels in the week ended 
Aug. 19, the fourth-straight increase, to 322.9 million, according to an 
Energy Department report on Aug. 24. Stockpiles are more than 10 percent 
higher than a year ago.

``The biggest impact may be damage to the port facilities south of New 
Orleans,'' said Adam Sieminski, chief energy economist at Deutsche Bank 
AG in New York. ``We have no way of knowing now how badly they are 
damaged.''

Louisiana Oil Port

The Louisiana Offshore Oil Port, the biggest U.S. oil import terminal, 
stopped unloading tankers on Aug. 28. The port is 20 miles off the coast 
and handles about 1 million barrels of crude oil a day, or 11 percent of 
U.S. imports. LOOP stopped making pipeline shipments to refineries from 
its onshore facilities yesterday.

Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day

[Mike Weaver]

At the rate Katrina is tearing through the gulf there may not be any gas 
to buy.

Darryl McMahon wrote:

Keith, good idea.  I'll keep track here too.  It will give me an excuse to 
update 
my page at
http://www.econogics.com/en/enenergy.htm#Transportation .  It needs some 
tidying up 
anyway.

Darryl


Date sent: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 02:21:24 +0900
To:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
From:  Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:   Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day
Send reply to: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
   mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
   mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

  

Hi Darryl

Very nice!



I'm sure others can contribute more ideas beyond the list above.  My point 
is,
don't act for a day, act for a lifetime.
  

I'm also sure, there've been some good contributions so far.

If we can et some more I can compile them and make a page at Journey 
to Forever for it, might help.

It would be nice to internationalise it a bit, but if it doesn't work 
out that way I don't mind.

Best wishes

Keith





Well, then I guess we can expect to see BP putting all their 
gasoline stations up
for sale.  After all, the managers are required to maximize the 
returns for their
shareholders.  If the stations are losing money, they have to dump 
them.  I won't
be holding my breath.

As for gas-outs - it's a sad joke, as has been pointed out here before.

If you want to reduce gasoline (and diesel) consumption, for whatever reason,
here's a start on what you can do to make a difference.

1)  Walk somewhere.  Anywhere.  Just leave your guzzler parked.

2)  Get a bicycle.  Preferably something used.  Try your local 
FreeCycle, or bike
repair co-op, or a used bike dealer.  Find something comfortable and 
practical for
your use.  Then use it.

3)  Check the pressure on the tires on your vehicle.  Correct if 
necessary.  Slight
overinflation is better for fuel economy than slight underinflation.  Repeat
monthly or more frequently if required.

4)  Have your vehicle tuned up on a regular, appropriate schedule. 
Check owner's
manual for details.  Check for dragging brakes, emissions control 
system problems,
etc while you are at it.

5)  Plan your trips to minimize distance travelled (trip chaining).

6)  Use public transit when available and appropriate.  Or carpool.

7)  Use biofuels, e.g. E100, E85, E10 as recommended for your 
vehicle.  There are
many flex-fuel vehicles on the road in the U.S. due to CAFE 
dual-fuel incentive,
where the owners don't even know the vehicle is flex-fuel capable.  Check 
your
vehicle manual.  Use biodiesel blend where available or appropriate (or make 
your
own, of course).

8)  Take extra weight out of your vehicle, as accelerating extra 
weight uses more
energy, and de-accelerating extra weight increases brake wear. 
(e.g. sand and salt
mixture for winter use should not be in the trunk all sumer as well).

9)  When shopping for tires, look for economizer / fuel miser / 
energy wise labels.

10)  When shopping for a replacement vehicle, look for something 
that is as fuel-
efficient as possible while meeting most of your needs - not 
necessarily all of
your needs.  You can rent a vehicle to meet occasional requirements.

11)  If you want to make a political statement, pick an oil company 
to boycott or
support.  Personally, I try to buy from MacEwen's because they are 
local and have
been promoting ethanol blend here since before it was fashionable.  I boycott
Exxon/Esso/Imperial Oil due to their horrendous environmental record 
(and other
undesirable practices).  Trust me, if we actually managed to drop 
Exxon's gross
revenue in a regional market by 10% for a quarter, that would 
definitely get their
attention.  Giving their station attendants and cashiers a quiet day won't.

12)  Try to drive to avoid periods of traffic congestion.  You get 0 mpg when
idling in stopped traffic.

I'm sure others can contribute more ideas beyond the list above.  My point 
is,
don't act for a day, act for a lifetime.

Darryl McMahon



mphee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  

Station owners really don't make much money off of gas.  Their 


lucky to make a
  

nickel a gallon.  They make their money on what's called C-Store sales.

If more people could take public transportation it would help greatly.


Funny tidbit.  BP says they loose money on their gas stations, $100mil last
year.  You refine it, you transport it, you store it, you 


delivery it, and you
  

sell it.  How do you loose money when you control all aspects of 


it.  Just by
  

vertues of econmies of scale you have to make money.


On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 14:46:25 GMT, marilyn wrote


effort to take  public transportation for a whole month.

Biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote:
This is mostly an incorrect rumor.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/nogas.asp - It'd better
serve everyone to forward accurate 

Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day

[Mike Weaver]

I vote for Exxon - they never paid squat for the Valdez spill.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote:

11)  If you want to make a political statement, pick an oil 
company to boycott or support..

You all probably know this, but in case some don't, the following 
can help in choosing which ones you might decide to boycott:

Major companies that import Middle Eastern oil : 
Shell. 205,742,000 barrels 
Chevron/Texaco. 144,332,000 barrels 
Exxon /Mobil... 130,082,000 barrels 
Marathon/Speedway... 117,740,000 barrels 
Amoco62,231,000 barrels 

Some large companies that do not import Middle Eastern oil: 
Citgo...0 barrels 
Sunoco.0 barrels 
Conoco.0 barrels 
Sinclair.0 barrels 
BP/Phillips0 barrels 
Hess0 barrels 
ARCO...0 barrels 

All of this information is available from the Department of Energy 
and each is required to state where they get their oil and how 
much they are importing. 







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Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day

[Mike Weaver]

FWIW BP is a fairly big player in solar panels - so far a 3-6 backlog of 
orders.

Keith Addison wrote:

Hi Darryl

Very nice!

  

I'm sure others can contribute more ideas beyond the list above.  My point is,
don't act for a day, act for a lifetime.



I'm also sure, there've been some good contributions so far.

If we can et some more I can compile them and make a page at Journey 
to Forever for it, might help.

It would be nice to internationalise it a bit, but if it doesn't work 
out that way I don't mind.

Best wishes

Keith



  

Well, then I guess we can expect to see BP putting all their 
gasoline stations up
for sale.  After all, the managers are required to maximize the 
returns for their
shareholders.  If the stations are losing money, they have to dump 
them.  I won't
be holding my breath.

As for gas-outs - it's a sad joke, as has been pointed out here before.

If you want to reduce gasoline (and diesel) consumption, for whatever reason,
here's a start on what you can do to make a difference.

1)  Walk somewhere.  Anywhere.  Just leave your guzzler parked.

2)  Get a bicycle.  Preferably something used.  Try your local 
FreeCycle, or bike
repair co-op, or a used bike dealer.  Find something comfortable and 
practical for
your use.  Then use it.

3)  Check the pressure on the tires on your vehicle.  Correct if 
necessary.  Slight
overinflation is better for fuel economy than slight underinflation.  Repeat
monthly or more frequently if required.

4)  Have your vehicle tuned up on a regular, appropriate schedule. 
Check owner's
manual for details.  Check for dragging brakes, emissions control 
system problems,
etc while you are at it.

5)  Plan your trips to minimize distance travelled (trip chaining).

6)  Use public transit when available and appropriate.  Or carpool.

7)  Use biofuels, e.g. E100, E85, E10 as recommended for your 
vehicle.  There are
many flex-fuel vehicles on the road in the U.S. due to CAFE 
dual-fuel incentive,
where the owners don't even know the vehicle is flex-fuel capable.  Check your
vehicle manual.  Use biodiesel blend where available or appropriate 
(or make your
own, of course).

8)  Take extra weight out of your vehicle, as accelerating extra 
weight uses more
energy, and de-accelerating extra weight increases brake wear. 
(e.g. sand and salt
mixture for winter use should not be in the trunk all sumer as well).

9)  When shopping for tires, look for economizer / fuel miser / 
energy wise labels.

10)  When shopping for a replacement vehicle, look for something 
that is as fuel-
efficient as possible while meeting most of your needs - not 
necessarily all of
your needs.  You can rent a vehicle to meet occasional requirements.

11)  If you want to make a political statement, pick an oil company 
to boycott or
support.  Personally, I try to buy from MacEwen's because they are 
local and have
been promoting ethanol blend here since before it was fashionable.  I boycott
Exxon/Esso/Imperial Oil due to their horrendous environmental record 
(and other
undesirable practices).  Trust me, if we actually managed to drop 
Exxon's gross
revenue in a regional market by 10% for a quarter, that would 
definitely get their
attention.  Giving their station attendants and cashiers a quiet day won't.

12)  Try to drive to avoid periods of traffic congestion.  You get 0 mpg when
idling in stopped traffic.

I'm sure others can contribute more ideas beyond the list above.  My point is,
don't act for a day, act for a lifetime.

Darryl McMahon



mphee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Station owners really don't make much money off of gas.  Their 
  

lucky to make a


nickel a gallon.  They make their money on what's called C-Store sales.

If more people could take public transportation it would help greatly.


Funny tidbit.  BP says they loose money on their gas stations, $100mil last
year.  You refine it, you transport it, you store it, you 
  

delivery it, and you


sell it.  How do you loose money when you control all aspects of 
  

it.  Just by


vertues of econmies of scale you have to make money.


On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 14:46:25 GMT, marilyn wrote
  

effort to take  public transportation for a whole month.

Biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote:
This is mostly an incorrect rumor.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/nogas.asp - It'd better
serve everyone to forward accurate information about
alternatives to petroleum.

Thanks for the reply, and especially for the Snopes site. I hadn't
heard if it. I will check it from now on.

I was concerned about the cost to the station owners, but
wondered it it was part of a larger plan to start with a one day
boycott as a symbol of protest, then move from there to a longer
period that would have a major impact. I figured if anyone knew
this, it would be this group.
Marilyn




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Re: [Biofuel] another reason to work for energy independence

[Mike Weaver]

Puleeze.  Enough with the sky is falling song and dance.  I invite you 
to join me, My Fellow Americans and our president in The Magical 
Thinking party.
NONE of those scary things will happen because WE BELONG TO THE MAGICAL 
THINKING PARTY.  We don't mention that doom and gloomer Carter.
We celebrate our founder Ronald Reagan.  Now, repeat after me:
1.  The American way of life in NON-NEGOTIABLE.
2.  I am ENTITLED to cheap gas forever.
3.  My SUV is neccessary for my lifestyle.  See #1.
4.  I NEED a giant house.  How else will I show off?
5.  Renewable energy people are kooks and probably Communists.
6.  No health care is better than socialized medicine.
7.  To be against the war is to against America.
8.  Huge trade balances are good!
9.  Uh, God loves me and hates you.
10.  Feel free to add your rules.  I have to go watch big screen TV 
now.  Fox News.  Besides, thinking makes my head hurt.

mphee wrote:

The econmic meltdown doesn't scare me as much as the next world war.

The economy has had meltdowns before and it will again.  I believe the US is
resourcful enough to come back.  Though our great dependacy on foreign oil
could make that a lot harder.

As oil is depleted more and more there will be maneuvering by countries to
retain/adquire/secure the last reserves.  Is it completely outside the realm
of possiblities that's why we're in iraq.  China's army out numbers us at
least 2 to 1, but not as advanced and trained.  India's army is becoming more
advanced all the time.  Both of which are a lot closer than us to the middle
east.  Give them 10-20 years.

US has dug a pretty deep hole.  Carter had put in new CAFE (milage requiremnts
for cars/trucks) requiremnts that Reagan through out.  If they had stayed it
could have greatly reduced our dependancy on oil.  Transportation uses 74% of
the 20+ mbbls we use a day of oil.



On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 07:16:11 -0700 (PDT), Kirk McLoren wrote
  

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/printpage/0,5942,16416680,
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Print this page 
Dumping of US dollar could trigger 'economic September 11'
There is a potentially fatal flaw at the heart of the global 
economy: the strong possibility of financial meltdown following a 
collapse of confidence in the greenback, Clyde Prestowitz tells 
Bruce Stannard 29aug05

THE nightmare scenario that haunts global strategist Clyde 
Prestowitz is an economic September 11 -- a worldwide financial 
panic triggered by a sudden massive sell-off of US dollars that 
would lead inexorably to the collapse of economies around the world.





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[Biofuel] Background statistics for energy and more....

[Hakan Falk]

mphee,

Something that I follow and found very important for evaluations and 
discussions are several public statistical reports, two of the most 
important to read is,

UNDP's report on human development,
http://hdr.undp.org/reports/global/2004/pdf/hdr04_complete.pdf

and

BP's energy report,
http://www.bp.com/liveassets/bp_internet/globalbp/globalbp_uk_english/publications/energy_reviews_2005/STAGING/local_assets/downloads/pdf/statistical_review_of_world_energy_full_report_2005.pdf
 


there are long links so many must copy and paste to get there. An 
other interesting report is the Global corruption report and I like 
to look at the following,

http://www.globalcorruptionreport.org/gcr2005/download/english/corruption_research_%20I.pdf
 


one interesting special is,

Corruption in post-conflict reconstruction,
http://www.globalcorruptionreport.org/gcr2005/download/english/corruption_post_conflict_%20rec.pdf

All are very valuable background for discussions. They can take a 
long time to download if you have a slow connection, but it is well worth it.

Hakan




At 17:22 29/08/2005, you wrote:
The econmic meltdown doesn't scare me as much as the next world war.

The economy has had meltdowns before and it will again.  I believe the US is
resourcful enough to come back.  Though our great dependacy on foreign oil
could make that a lot harder.

As oil is depleted more and more there will be maneuvering by countries to
retain/adquire/secure the last reserves.  Is it completely outside the realm
of possiblities that's why we're in iraq.  China's army out numbers us at
least 2 to 1, but not as advanced and trained.  India's army is becoming more
advanced all the time.  Both of which are a lot closer than us to the middle
east.  Give them 10-20 years.

US has dug a pretty deep hole.  Carter had put in new CAFE (milage requiremnts
for cars/trucks) requiremnts that Reagan through out.  If they had stayed it
could have greatly reduced our dependancy on oil.  Transportation uses 74% of
the 20+ mbbls we use a day of oil.



On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 07:16:11 -0700 (PDT), Kirk McLoren wrote
  http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/printpage/0,5942,16416680,
  00.html
  -
  Print this page
  Dumping of US dollar could trigger 'economic September 11'
  There is a potentially fatal flaw at the heart of the global
  economy: the strong possibility of financial meltdown following a
  collapse of confidence in the greenback, Clyde Prestowitz tells
  Bruce Stannard 29aug05
 
  THE nightmare scenario that haunts global strategist Clyde
  Prestowitz is an economic September 11 -- a worldwide financial
  panic triggered by a sudden massive sell-off of US dollars that
  would lead inexorably to the collapse of economies around the world.
 



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Re: [Biofuel] Background statistics for energy and more....

[Mike Weaver]

Darn,

Nigeria has fallen out of #1. 

Hakan Falk wrote:

mphee,

Something that I follow and found very important for evaluations and 
discussions are several public statistical reports, two of the most 
important to read is,

UNDP's report on human development,
http://hdr.undp.org/reports/global/2004/pdf/hdr04_complete.pdf

and

BP's energy report,
http://www.bp.com/liveassets/bp_internet/globalbp/globalbp_uk_english/publications/energy_reviews_2005/STAGING/local_assets/downloads/pdf/statistical_review_of_world_energy_full_report_2005.pdf
 


there are long links so many must copy and paste to get there. An 
other interesting report is the Global corruption report and I like 
to look at the following,

http://www.globalcorruptionreport.org/gcr2005/download/english/corruption_research_%20I.pdf
 


one interesting special is,

Corruption in post-conflict reconstruction,
http://www.globalcorruptionreport.org/gcr2005/download/english/corruption_post_conflict_%20rec.pdf

All are very valuable background for discussions. They can take a 
long time to download if you have a slow connection, but it is well worth it.

Hakan




At 17:22 29/08/2005, you wrote:
  

The econmic meltdown doesn't scare me as much as the next world war.

The economy has had meltdowns before and it will again.  I believe the US is
resourcful enough to come back.  Though our great dependacy on foreign oil
could make that a lot harder.

As oil is depleted more and more there will be maneuvering by countries to
retain/adquire/secure the last reserves.  Is it completely outside the realm
of possiblities that's why we're in iraq.  China's army out numbers us at
least 2 to 1, but not as advanced and trained.  India's army is becoming more
advanced all the time.  Both of which are a lot closer than us to the middle
east.  Give them 10-20 years.

US has dug a pretty deep hole.  Carter had put in new CAFE (milage requiremnts
for cars/trucks) requiremnts that Reagan through out.  If they had stayed it
could have greatly reduced our dependancy on oil.  Transportation uses 74% of
the 20+ mbbls we use a day of oil.



On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 07:16:11 -0700 (PDT), Kirk McLoren wrote


http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/printpage/0,5942,16416680,
00.html
-
Print this page
Dumping of US dollar could trigger 'economic September 11'
There is a potentially fatal flaw at the heart of the global
economy: the strong possibility of financial meltdown following a
collapse of confidence in the greenback, Clyde Prestowitz tells
Bruce Stannard 29aug05

THE nightmare scenario that haunts global strategist Clyde
Prestowitz is an economic September 11 -- a worldwide financial
panic triggered by a sudden massive sell-off of US dollars that
would lead inexorably to the collapse of economies around the world.

  




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Re: [Biofuel] Background statistics for energy and more....

[Hakan Falk]

Mike,

Yes, Nigeria were #100 on least corrupted countries and now they are #144.

US is still keeping its 17-19 position however, good, despite the 
Bush administration.

Spain is also the same, but Sweden who had a shared 5 position with 
Singapore, have now fallen to 6.

LOL

Hakan


At 05:30 30/08/2005, you wrote:
Darn,

Nigeria has fallen out of #1.

Hakan Falk wrote:

 mphee,
 
 Something that I follow and found very important for evaluations and
 discussions are several public statistical reports, two of the most
 important to read is,
 
 UNDP's report on human development,
 http://hdr.undp.org/reports/global/2004/pdf/hdr04_complete.pdf
 
 and
 
 BP's energy report,
 http://www.bp.com/liveassets/bp_internet/globalbp/globalbp_uk_engli 
 sh/publications/energy_reviews_2005/STAGING/local_assets/downloads/pdf/statistical_review_of_world_energy_full_report_2005.pdf
  

 
 
 there are long links so many must copy and paste to get there. An
 other interesting report is the Global corruption report and I like
 to look at the following,
 
 http://www.globalcorruptionreport.org/gcr2005/download/english/corr 
 uption_research_%20I.pdf
 
 
 one interesting special is,
 
 Corruption in post-conflict reconstruction,
 http://www.globalcorruptionreport.org/gcr2005/download/english/corr 
 uption_post_conflict_%20rec.pdf
 
 All are very valuable background for discussions. They can take a
 long time to download if you have a slow connection, but it is 
 well worth it.
 
 Hakan
 
 
 
 
 At 17:22 29/08/2005, you wrote:
 
 
 The econmic meltdown doesn't scare me as much as the next world war.
 
 The economy has had meltdowns before and it will again.  I 
 believe the US is
 resourcful enough to come back.  Though our great dependacy on foreign oil
 could make that a lot harder.
 
 As oil is depleted more and more there will be maneuvering by countries to
 retain/adquire/secure the last reserves.  Is it completely 
 outside the realm
 of possiblities that's why we're in iraq.  China's army out numbers us at
 least 2 to 1, but not as advanced and trained.  India's army is 
 becoming more
 advanced all the time.  Both of which are a lot closer than us to 
 the middle
 east.  Give them 10-20 years.
 
 US has dug a pretty deep hole.  Carter had put in new CAFE 
 (milage requiremnts
 for cars/trucks) requiremnts that Reagan through out.  If they 
 had stayed it
 could have greatly reduced our dependancy on oil.  Transportation 
 uses 74% of
 the 20+ mbbls we use a day of oil.
 
 
 
 On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 07:16:11 -0700 (PDT), Kirk McLoren wrote
 
 
 http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/printpage/0,5942,16416680,
 00.html
 -
 Print this page
 Dumping of US dollar could trigger 'economic September 11'
 There is a potentially fatal flaw at the heart of the global
 economy: the strong possibility of financial meltdown following a
 collapse of confidence in the greenback, Clyde Prestowitz tells
 Bruce Stannard 29aug05
 
 THE nightmare scenario that haunts global strategist Clyde
 Prestowitz is an economic September 11 -- a worldwide financial
 panic triggered by a sudden massive sell-off of US dollars that
 would lead inexorably to the collapse of economies around the world.
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [Biofuel] Robertson et al VS. followers

[KinsleyForPrez08]

Hakan,

If only one of the cohabitants were married, I think that would satisfy the 
letter of the law.  But with the high moral values of the majority of 
citizens (especially the followers of TV evangelists like Pat Robertson), 
these two might get linched for living in sin!

As far as being the land of the free, Goethe said it best - None are more 
hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.  We are 
only as free as the governments let us be...

BTW, thank goodness I am married (to my cohabitant).  I wouldn't want to 
give the police, or the linch mob, any reason to come take me (or my wife) 
away.

Thanks for the brief respite from bioenergy and serious politics.

Earl Kinsley
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

- Original Message - 
From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 10:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Robertson et al VS. followers



 Mike,

 Never heard about it before. LOL
 This is fantastic, a long time since I had such a good laugh.
 Not since Bush said that they did the best to kill their own military. LOL

 In a range of ...so do we statements, he actually said.
 They try their best to kill our people, so do we. LOL

 Is it enough that one of them are married?

 Do they have to be married to each other, or just married?

 Amazing!! How can they call it the land of the free, when it is
 against the law to be free?

 Hakan

 At 14:28 29/08/2005, you wrote:

Hakan: To condition the cohabitation of a men and a women on if they are
married or not?

Unmarried cohabitation. Eight states continue to make it a crime
for an unmarried man and a woman to cohabit together: Florida,
Idaho, Michigan, Mississippi, North Carolina, North Dakota, Virginia
and West Virginia fall into this category.

http://www.unmarriedamerica.org/Court/privacy-ruling.htmhttp://www.unmarriedamerica.org/Court/privacy-ruling.htm

Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Mike,

I did not know of the sedition act of 1918:
...shall willfully utter, print, write, or publish any disloyal,
profane, scurrilous, or abusive language about the form of government
of the United States, or the Constitution of the United States...

This make any talk about freedom of speech a joke.

The unravelling of the lack of democracy, has never been so obvious
as the execution and results from the two last elections and the way
the Iraqi war has been pursued. I still think that Corprocracy is a
better word for the governing method of US.

It seems that we have to change the phrase the nation of the free
to the nation of the blind.

To condition the cohabitation of a men and a women on if they are
married or not? Do they have to be married to each other, or just
married? Is it enough if onl! y one of them is married? This info I
keep as one of the most bizarre I have. LOL

Hakan



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Re: [Biofuel] BP loses money?? Yeah, right.

[David M. Brockes]

This is why we need a Flat Tax system in this country for both Individual
and Business. 8% to 12% would provide a tax base much more robust than what
we have todayand most of us would probably pay less, but certainly
everyone would pay a fair share.and think of all the savings there
would be from all the extra costs currently related to our Tax system!!
Just IMHO!!
Dave

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It's all part of the standard multinational corporation planning to move
the profits to the jurisdiction in which they are taxed least
(preferably not at all).

Doug Woodard
St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada



On Mon, 29 Aug 2005, Jerry Eyers wrote:

  Funny tidbit.  BP says they loose money on their gas stations, $100mil
 last
  year.  You refine it, you transport it, you store it, you delivery it,
and
 you
  sell it.  How do you loose money when you control all aspects of it.
Just
 by
  vertues of econmies of scale you have to make money.


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[Biofuel] Oil questions

[John Wilson]

Hi 
Has anyone tried canola oil in their oil pan as a 
substitute for fossil oil. If so what were the results.
:http://www.rense.com/ufo/motoroil.htm
How many liters in a tonne of canola oil. 
spot price for Canola oil is $268.00 per tonne. How much is that per 
liter. I am taking a rough guess that a liter of canola oil weights .98 kgs 
roughly 26 cents per liter. 

Yours trulyJohn 
Wilson***Wilsonia Farm 
Kennel PreserveGoldensPh-Fax (902)665-2386) Web: http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/goldens/new.htmPups: 
http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/goldens/pup.htm 


In Nova Scotia smoking permitted in designated 
areas only until 9:00 PM . After 9:00 it is okey to kill everyone. 
^^^Nova Scotia going 
smoke-free in public by 2006 (FANTASTIC)
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[Biofuel] Water heater

[Marty Phee]

Will a water heater ware out/rust out?  Say if you start from a new 
heater.  How long can you expect it to last?

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[Biofuel] What the state of Oregon, USA is doing about replacement fuels

[Jerry Eyers]

Don't know if this has been mentioned here before, but the state of Oregon,
USA has taken a different approach to replacing the gas tax, and off road
fuel taxes with an alternative, since many people are now using hybrid and
alternative fuels and they are losing so much money:

This fall, about 250 drivers in the Eugene area will get their cars
installed with global positioning devices to distinguish miles inside and
outside Oregon. How far the vehicle travels instate will be recorded on a
separate odometer and in an onboard computer, and when the driver stops to
refuel, that information will be transmitted through the gas station's
system to a central computer. The driver will pay 1.25 cents a mile -
roughly the equivalent of what a vehicle with the state's average fuel
efficiency would pay in gas tax. The per-mile tax will appear on the driver
s gas bill instead of the per-gallon tax.  
 

Full article: http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/11295714
htm?template=contentModules/printstory.jsp


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Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day

[Slydog]

As others have stated I am sure one day would not do anything. So much is
made from oil like the tires and all the plastic peices on that bike you
want to ride around. I am new to all this but I don't see how it could be
fixed unless we as in all the U.S. and other countries went to vehicals run
on moonshine or water or something like that but even if we did that they
would find  way to charge outragious prices on that. We live in a world
where folks are willing to pay over a buck for 16oz of water that must say
something in it's self. I think the world has the greatiest shortage of
common sense as anything else.
- Original Message -
From: Andy Karpay [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 7:44 AM
Subject: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day



 It would seem that NOT buying gas on Sept 1 will do nothing.  If
 errands, and gasoline (burning) continues without BUYING it will only be
 delayed until, say, Sept 2, or 3.  You'd need a global (or at least
 national) NO DRIVE WEEK.  If everyone didn't drive, or use gasoline for
 a week it could cause a dip in their profits.  I would imagine that if
 we were able to cut our gasoline purchasing down to ONE GALLON PER WEEK
 FOR THE ENTIRE NATION that they would charge 1 billion dollars for that
 gallon, and find a reason because it was so expensive to produce and
 transport that ONE GALLON.  Better you should not USE any petroleum
 products on Sept 1.  Walk or bicycle, or bio, or veggie instead.
 I suggest reading it for yourself at the link previously provided by
 Stan (see below).  It reiterates what I have just spewed, and should
 have just copied it to save my finger's energy (veggie powered).

 Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 02:37:32 -0400
 From: Stan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day


 This is mostly an incorrect rumor.
 http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/nogas.asp - It'd better serve
 everyone to forward accurate information about alternatives to
 petroleum.

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 This was forwarded to me, so I am sending it to all of  you to
 forward if you want to.
 
 
 It has been calculated that if everyone in the United States and
 Canada did not purchase a drop of gasoline for one day and all
 at the same time, the oil companies would choke on their
 stockpiles.
 
 At the same time it would hit the entire industry with a net loss of
 over 4.6 billion dollars which affects the bottom lines of the oil
 companies.
 
 Therefore September 1st has been formally declared stick it up
 their behind  day and the people of these two nations should not
 buy a single drop of gasoline that day.
 
 The only way this can be done is if you forward this e-mail to as
 many people as you can and as quickly as you can to get the
 word out.
 
 Waiting on the government to step in and control the prices is not
 going to happen. What happened to the reduction and control in
 prices that the Arab nations promised two weeks ago?
 
 Remember one thing, not only is the price of gasoline going up
 but at the same time airlines are forced to raise their prices,
 trucking companies are forced to raise their prices which effects
 prices on everything that is shipped. Things like food, clothing,
 building materials, medical supplies, etc. Who pays in the end?
 We do!
 
 We can make a difference. If they don't get the message after
 one day, we will do it again and again.
 
 So do your part and spread the word. Forward this email to
 everyone you know.
 
 Mark your calendars and make September 1st a day that the
 citizens of the United States and Canada say enough is
 enough
 



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[Biofuel] cone bottom processor

[john owens]

Hi,
 I am looking for some help making a biodiesel processor.

I am trying to make my own processor out of two45 gallon drums (whichI thinkis55 American gallons) With cone bottoms. One for mixing and settling and the other for washing.I have one cone just about bent into shape which took abit of work (3 hours beating and bending it)andone drum ready for it.Dose any one know any tricksfor making the cone to make it easier and faster. 


What is the best method for mixingsettling and washing? For mixingIam thinking of using a pump (1 2000 lts per hour) whichI will also use for transferring liquids to other tanks,for settlingwould I be right to keep it at 100 deg F for an hour. Then stir wash with a pump (should I use a different pump)3 cycles 1hour, 1hour, 12 hours. Then dry.


Any help would be much appreciated,
John 


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[Biofuel] Problems, problems, problems

[Pieter Koole]

Hello all,
I found a new adres where I can collect quit a bit 
of good quality oil, well, that is what I thought.
In this oil is added what we call E900 ( a european 
code ) which is dimethylpolysiloxaan, to avoid the oil from foaming when they 
bake their chips.
From this oil I get one great big lump of solid 
stuff when I try to make BD from it.
Can anyone please help me ?
Of course I could go and look for another 
restaurant, but this E900 is used more and more, so I will meet this problem 
more often in the future.
E900 is a polymere from silicone : 
(C2H6OSi)n

Met dank en vriendelijke groet,Pieter KooleNetherlands
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[Biofuel] Cohabitation

[Douglas Smith]

Michael Redler wrote:

Uh oh.  I'm cohabitating illegally.  Wait'll I tell my GF. 

You know, Michael, I don't have anything against you and your 
girlfriend doing whatever you like in private - or any other straight 
couple - but must you flaunt it in front of the rest of us? The 
children might see and then we'd have to explain!

(NOTE: Tongue planted firmly in cheek)

Doug


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in 
moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral 
justification for selfishness.
- economist John Kenneth Galbraith


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Re: [Biofuel] Robertson et al VS. followers

[Kjell Lofgren]

That can't be true!!?? Is it, really??? Heavens... LOL
Have to save that URL...

http://www.unmarriedamerica.org/Court/privacy-ruling.htm

Unmarried cohabitation. Eight states continue to make it a crime for
 an unmarried man and a woman to cohabit together: Florida, Idaho,
 Michigan, Mississippi, North Carolina, North Dakota, Virginia and
West
 Virginia fall into this category.

--

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Mike,

Never heard about it before. LOL
This is fantastic, a long time since I had such a good laugh.
Not since Bush said that they did the best to kill their own military.
LOL

In a range of ...so do we statements, he actually said.
They try their best to kill our people, so do we. LOL

Is it enough that one of them are married?

Do they have to be married to each other, or just married?

Amazing!! How can they call it the land of the free, when it is
against the law to be free?

Hakan

At 14:28 29/08/2005, you wrote:

Hakan: To condition the cohabitation of a men and a women on if they
are
married or not?

Unmarried cohabitation. Eight states continue to make it a crime
for an unmarried man and a woman to cohabit together: Florida,
Idaho, Michigan, Mississippi, North Carolina, North Dakota, Virginia
and West Virginia fall into this category.

http://www.unmarriedamerica.org/Court/privacy-ruling.htmhttp://www.u
nmarriedamerica.org/Court/privacy-ruling.htm

Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Mike,

I did not know of the sedition act of 1918:
...shall willfully utter, print, write, or publish any disloyal,
profane, scurrilous, or abusive language about the form of government
of the United States, or the Constitution of the United States...

This make any talk about freedom of speech a joke.

The unravelling of the lack of democracy, has never been so obvious
as the execution and results from the two last elections and the way
the Iraqi war has been pursued. I still think that Corprocracy is a
better word for the governing method of US.

It seems that we have to change the phrase the nation of the free
to the nation of the blind.

To condition the cohabitation of a men and a women on if they are
married or not? Do they have to be married to each other, or just
married? Is it enough if onl! y one of them is married? This info I
keep as one of the most bizarre I have. LOL

Hakan



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Re: [Biofuel] Religion, Politics Biofuels, and Illusion

[TarynToo]

Hello Pannirselvam,

Forgive me for taking exception to some things you said to Doug. I've 
assumed (perhaps wrongly) that you're looking at the works of the 
Catholic church in Brazil, from a Hindu perspective. It has been years 
since I last studied the Bhagavada Gita, but I continue to practice 
hatha yoga for the mental and physical benefits. I greatly admire 
Hinduism as a path for spiritual growth but have always been troubled 
by several Hindu precepts (assumptions?).

Here in the west, Darwin's theories, nature red in tooth and claw, 
were used as justification for Social Darwinism, which claimed that 
the poor were inferior, evolutionary failures, and not deserving of  
opportunity, education, or fair treatment.  I see reincarnation, and 
the caste system, as serving a similar function in Hinduism; the lower 
castes are seen as failed souls, not enlightened enough to deserve a 
place in society. I have read that many schools of Hindu thought are 
rejecting the caste system, as is the government of India, but that the 
bigotry and sexism continue.

So in that sense, religion, for a native of India, seems to be a tool 
of oppression, creating economic and social disparity without regard to 
the 'worldly value' of individuals, hence a source of illusion.

Regarding the Catholic church in Latin America; while doing much good 
work, they have also consistently spread misinformation about the use 
of condoms and other birth control methods. 
http://www.aegis.com/news/ads/2003/AD032597.html This has accelerated 
the spread of AIDS in Catholic countries, and caused many thousands of 
unnecessary deaths. It's my understanding that there is now a schism 
between the Vatican and many Brazilian clerics over this, with the 
local priests and bishops denouncing the Vatican's anti-condom stance. 
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/051005G.shtml This is certainly a 
welcome change, but the Vatican continues it's policies against AIDS 
prevention education. It's not the first time the Vatican has taken a 
stance obviously against Christ's teaching, often only to serve their 
economic or political goals.

A bright spot in all this has been the emergence of Catholic Liberation 
Theology, which at least provides a counter force to the constant 
capitalist propaganda imposed on all the Americas.

American Evangelical Fundamentalist sects are also gaining power in 
Latin America, and they too are a constant source of AIDS 
misinformation. As they have no history of liberation theology, we can 
be sure that their missions will be bound to NeoCon goals.

I certainly agree with your suspicions about corporate and media power 
being used to suppress democratic processes all over the world, but I 
suspect that the church often falls on the wrong side of this battle, 
they have usually supported the economic elite in class struggles, even 
as their missionaries were striving to help the poor and dispossessed.

I know you're 'on the ground' in Brazil, and you're seeing many 
courageous, dedicated christians doing good works, against great odds. 
I guess I'm trying to say that you're seeing those with 'true religion 
with ethics and also true democratic politics' actually doing what 
needs doing. Those who send them often have other goals.

Taryn
ornae.com


On Aug 29, 2005, at 5:35 PM, Pannirselvam P.V wrote:

  Dear  Doug Swanson

   I appreciate  your   well   thoughtful  letter regarding our 
 list.But  I am not able to fully understand yet   that religion 
 develop  illusion  as I  native of  India , presently in Brazil .
 Here religion  always  do better thing , the school , the hospital ,  
 the project for the poor people .  I believe   the illusion are made 
 by Big Blue  Corporate company against true religion with ethics  and 
 also true  democratic politics   using   money power   making  the 
 illusions.
     Surely all are inter related  and I agree with you that  Biofuel 
 bring the people together  independent of politics and religions  
 showing the truth  and showing the   green way  and great future  for 
 global  sustainability.

  sd
  Pannirselvam P.V.

 On 8/27/05, des [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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