[Biofuel] Alright, I'm stumped.
Okay, so earlier this week I tried my first batch. Didn't go so hot, it was still a little cloudy after I was done. Emulsed like crap when I tried to wash it, to the point of a full 50% of the test wash ending up a crappy mayonnaise consistency. To date, after 36+ hours of settling, I barely have 100mL of clear upper level separated out of a 300mL test wash. Okay, so I figured I screwed up along the line somewhere. I had some doubts as to the unused status of the oil, so I looked up the directions and reprocessed a liter of it in a blender. I mixed up a large enough batch of the 10% methanol blend suggested for reprocessing for my little scale to be accurate (It only measures in 2g increments. Must find a better scale!) and I did it inside where the humidity was only around 60% (As opposed to exterior humidity of around 90%+) and quickly, only taking a bare 45sec to a minute from the time I opened the cannister to the time NaOH hit the methanol in the blender bowl. It mixed rather nicely, and I pulsed it's mixing off and on to keep the blender cool during the fifteen minutes it took me to be confident everything had fully dissolved. It ended up a very slightly cloudy mixture, but nothing settled into the bottom over the next hour. During the course of that hour I set up the other stuff, measuring out a liter of my initial product, putting it in a second blender (Just bought it, cheap $14 one), getting that all set up; it was still slightly cloudy when I put it in the blender. During this same time I also measured out 500mL of just-purchased canola oil, intending to process a real minibatch after I reprocessed some of my initial product. Added a very carefully measured amount of my methoxide, 100mL, to the reprocessing candidate in the blender. Snapped the lid on, made sure everything was secure, and let her go. Twenty minutes of blenderized thrashing commenced, during which time the whole slew became a kind of milky yellow-amber color, with a brown tint to it. Cut the blender off, poured everything inside it out into a glass jar with a cap. Set that aside and went into the house, washed the blender cup thoroughly, inside and out. I towelled it off, then let it air-dry for a good five or ten minutes inside the house. Took it back outside, put it back together, and added my fresh oil to the cup. Drew out another 50mL of my 10% grade solution, adding another 50mL of my methanol source to bring it up to the requisite 20% volume. Since the grams of lye per liter were never changed, just the volume of methanol, I reasoned that doing this was safe and would work since I was just bringing the lye concentration down to normal by diluting the solution with more methanol. Added this to the batch of fresh oil, secured the cap, turned the blender on and walked inside to wash my hands again and get something to drink. Ten minutes later I walked back out, and the blender was utterly empty. Bottom end failure on my cheap blender; apparently I hadn't let the motor cool long enough, so the heat ran up the shaft and when combined with the heat of mixing it I melted the plastic. Bummer. So I don't have that as a comparison. Anyway, five hours after reprocessing the first-run product, I drew out another 100mL and added 100mL of hot (120~F) water. Gently swirled it at first, but that wasn't even mixing water and product so I went to a slightly more vigorous shaking. And it did the same thing. Emulsed like crap. I have a 200mL jar of two-tone mayonnaise. The upper layer is tinged yellow-brown, the bottom layer is pure white. Ummm, help? -K ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Pumping WVO from tanks
I read a snip or website (cant remember for sure) where the homebrewer had an agreement with the restaurant and would leave his own barrels at the business and just swap them out with empties when they were full. it seems the easiest solution to me. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] cost of B100 versus Petro in the Midwest USA
I sat here and figured up the ballpark "cost of parts" for BD in a 390 gallon batch-( i started my numbers with a full 55 gal. drum of methanol) for 2 barrels of methanol (have to have excess) ~550$ for 390 gal. oil. .Haul-off for 40 lbs lye(VERY rough estimate)~140$ for one cannister of bottle gas (heat source)..~25$ Total C.O.P... .~715$ Results (Approximate) ~340 Gallons of ester ~47 Gallons reclaimed methanol ~43 gallons glycerine Market Value of 340 Gal. of diesel @ 2.60$/Gal...~884$ Your Savings. ...~169$ not to mention if you use the glycerine as a heat source through any of the available ways (digester gas, directly burning it, etc.) the heating costs will fall off entirely, and methanol will become cheaper the more you reclaim the excess, and we could always go to ethanol and add that to the equation, which has it's own COP. there are always options. Now, having read this, can you still tell me BD is more expensive than Petro? --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] atkins=no McDougall=yes
Sorry, John, but I don't have any negative results to share. I *personally* don't know anyone who "tried this diet and didn't see any improvement" but I reckon there are genetic groups that do not respond to this diet. Every one has to look at their own health, family history and make decisions for themselves with the data available to them. I'm with you on being wary of doctors with books and things to sell, but all that I was saying is that Dr. McDougall's work passes my smell test, while Atkins does not. On 10/9/05, John Hayes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The plural of anecdote is not data. And frankly, testimonials aren'tworth the paper they are printed on.Your example is very reason science is based on *disproving* ahypothesis - the chance for confirmation bias is just too high otherwise. >From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias -> "Confirmation bias is a phenomenon wherein decision makers have been> shown to actively seek out and assign more weight to evidence that > confirms their hypothesis, and ignore or underweight evidence that> could disconfirm their hypothesis."And unfortunately Paul, that is exactly what you are doing here. Yougive us 3 positive results when what we really need to know is how many people tried this diet and didn't see any improvement. Lupus is adisease that naturally waxes and wanes - your friend's daughter'simprovement could have been just as highly correlated with the cycle ofthe moon. I'm not saying the diet *doesn't* work - but as I've said repeatly inthis thread, be very wary of book authors with letters and periods aftertheir names.jh -- Thanks,PCHe's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Pumping WVO from tanks
I use 5 gal plastic buckets to dip the tank. Transport it home and filter it into the reactor. Not the only way but it works for me. The other concern at this time of year is the cold, the oil may not resemble oil when cold if you can walk on it, it is vary hard to pump. Last winter when I started this venture I used a shovel to collect the wast. Good luck Derick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 2:21 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Pumping WVO from tanks I have found a Chinese restaurant that will let me have all the WVO I want and it tests good. How do I get the WVO out of the tank? It is sitting on the ground and I need to pump it into a barrel on the back of my truck. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] SVO for Commercial Trucks?
Look at Willy Nelsons web sight n alt fuel.im not sure if its only bio or svo. Good luck Derick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of john giorgio Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005 7:19 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] SVO for Commercial Trucks? I have a friend who is a trucker. I have looked into the systems that allow diesel cars to use SVO, but have not seen anything for a commercial truck sized diesel engine. Anyone know any helpful websites I can share with my friend? John __ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Pumping WVO from tanks
I have found a Chinese restaurant that will let me have all the WVO I want and it tests good. How do I get the WVO out of the tank? It is sitting on the ground and I need to pump it into a barrel on the back of my truck. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Gasoline From Coconut Oil
Visit www.cocogas.com Regards. Luis Matias ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] atkins=no McDougall=yes
Paul S Cantrell wrote: > Anecdotally, it works...My parents went off their high blood pressure > meds within a week of changing their diet. A friend of mine's > daughter's lupus went into total remission very quickly (she is > featured as one of his stars). > > No processed foods. No dairy and no meat. The plural of anecdote is not data. And frankly, testimonials aren't worth the paper they are printed on. Your example is very reason science is based on *disproving* a hypothesis - the chance for confirmation bias is just too high otherwise. >From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias - > "Confirmation bias is a phenomenon wherein decision makers have been > shown to actively seek out and assign more weight to evidence that > confirms their hypothesis, and ignore or underweight evidence that > could disconfirm their hypothesis." And unfortunately Paul, that is exactly what you are doing here. You give us 3 positive results when what we really need to know is how many people tried this diet and didn't see any improvement. Lupus is a disease that naturally waxes and wanes - your friend's daughter's improvement could have been just as highly correlated with the cycle of the moon. I'm not saying the diet *doesn't* work - but as I've said repeatly in this thread, be very wary of book authors with letters and periods after their names. jh ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] atkins=no McDougall=yes
Mike W., you never cease to entertain me... Anyway, I just wanted to add another Doctor to the conversation. Dr. John McDougall is a non-quack. He and his wife have been at this for over 30 years and there is no 'hype' http://www.drmcdougall.com/ "The founder of The McDougall Plan for healthy living, has been studying and writing about the effects of nutrition on disease for over 30 years. Dr. John McDougall believes that people should look and feel great, and enjoy optimal health for a lifetime. Dr. McDougall has developed a nourishing, low-fat, starch-based diet that not only promotes a broad range of dramatic and lasting health benefits such as weight (fat) loss, but most importantly can also reverse serious illness, such as heart disease, without drugs." Anecdotally, it works...My parents went off their high blood pressure meds within a week of changing their diet. A friend of mine's daughter's lupus went into total remission very quickly (she is featured as one of his stars). No processed foods. No dairy and no meat. On 10/6/05, Mike Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: No, but I'll get my lawyers on it pronto! ;-) -- Thanks,PCHe's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Supplemental Heat by BD or byproduct
Darryl, Not terribly big ~1600 ft2 or 150 m2. The thing is that it was built in 1964. Single story, brick veneer, uninsulated walls and floors. Attic is blown insulation sometime in the 80's. windows are original with 'storm' windows outside. The best feature is the deciduous trees on the East, South and West of the house which help a lot in the summer with AC and the sun helps some in the winter when it heats up that brick. Thanks for the tips, I already do some of those. I need to recheck all the caulk around the storm windows for sure Darryl McMahon wrote: I can only assume these are large homes. I live in Ottawa, Canada. South Carolina is where our snowbirds go in the winter to get away from the cold. My annual natural gas heating bill, including hot water, is about Cdn$600, approximately US$500. It is a reasonably small house though. Heating season here is October to May. (But it's getting shorter courtesy of global warming.) I have some tips for you on reducing you heating bill. http://www.econogics.com/en/natgas.htm You should also visit Hakan's site at http://www.energysavingnow.com/Darryl McMahon--Darryl McMahon http://www.econogics.com/ It's your planet. If you won't look after it, who will? -- Regards,PCHe's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Peugeot 505 four cylinder turbo chargeddiesel vehicle!?
As for the compression 18 to 24 2/1 that is old school #s as for the head gasket there used to be a product out there called copper seal I used it in a friends van years ago since he had $0s and needed to get his van up so he could earn the cash to fix it the right way. He never did the last time I saw him several years back he was still driving the same van and never had another problem with the head gasket. This may be a stretch but wht the hell if it works eaven for a short while the $3 to $4 investment could help you for now . Good luck Derick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of S. Chapin Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 9:35 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Peugeot 505 four cylinder turbo chargeddiesel vehicle!? Brian Rodgers wrote: >Ok thanks >I realise that the compression should be comparatively similar between >cylinders, any ideas on what basic (ball park) compression should be >on a diesel engine? Antone know of a trick to seal the coolant system >for a minor leak coming from head gasket? Wishful thinking? >>From the looks of the coolant I flushed out someone already tried the >bronse flake sealant. >Cheers >Brian Rodgers > >___ >Biofuel mailing list >Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > >Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > >Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): >http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > > > Yup, wishful. the reality is that if the head gasket is blown, or the head has enough of a hole on the exhaust side ( a crack between intake and exhaust valves is a spot to look) then the compression is going to be slightly different now, and very different later. Given evidence of a "fix in a can' effort already, and expanding hoses go for a sincere diagnosis. To continue running it, however delightful will lead to disaster. I'm not sure you couldnt swap in a newer xd3te motor or even older (ack). If the rest of the thing, trans,electrical,suspension is in good shape. If this is an xd2s, I would rebuild it, maybe 1200 for the parts and machine work (only guessing).How many miles on it?? From what I can gather the turbo peugeot motor is far more efficient than MB, if a bit less robust. If you want I'd trade you the 220d thats in the rover. nahh you're better off fixing the peugeot. Cheers, SC ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Peugeot 505 four cylinder turbo charged diesel
Search on the web: you may be lucky. The Haynes manualwould be available from book suppliers (but there are some inaccuracies in Haynes manuals: but they are better than nothing!) There is also a seller on ebay selling CDs of manuals: there could be one available there (UK supplier) regards Doug On Saturday 08 October 2005 10:57, Brian Rodgers wrote: > Hello everybody > Thank you so much for the replies. > I was told when I got this car that it had a blown head gasket. The > reasoning the mechanic used was excess pressure on the coolant system. > Also, now that I have started the engine a few times it fires up > pretty quick. > Here is an excerpt from a note I sent to a friend this afternoon. > It may give you a heads up on what is happening. > I just made some changes to the coolant lines and it made a big > difference. I took it for the 'first' test drive, sweet!!! > What I have found so far: > Fan clutch slipping. > In-line thermostat??? Yeah the thermostat was jammed inside the big > hose coming from the head to radiator, with two hose clamps holding it > in place. That can't be right. Anyway it's working- I tested it in > boiling water Also upon inspection there is slight discoloration on > the Thermostat inflow side, looks like exhaust smoke. > Still blowing white smoke when idling. Smoke turns black when accelerating. > Shifts great, all gears work. > No speedo. > > As you can see it may indeed be a blown head gasket. Although no oil > emulsion (coolant in oil) and no oil in coolant. > What I would really like is a shop manual for this car. If I am going > to pull the head I feel better if I know where everything goes back > to. Not to mention, torques and bolt tightening patterns. Does anyone > know of a good Peugeot parts supplier? > Again thanks for the info and help. > Brian Rodgers > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 > messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Bill Maher's closing bit
Brian Rodgers a écrit : >A friend who recently returned from England to the US wrote: >Yes, I'm back with a whole new perspective on politics here in >America. Helloo, sheeple. We are being fed the White House line by >the unquestioning TV news, and print journalism isn't much better. No >one is searching for the truth, they're just swallowing the Bush spin >whole. > > (...) Reuters says U.S. troops obstruct reporting of Iraq Wed 28 Sep 2005 7:11 AM ET By Barry Moody LONDON, Sept 28 (Reuters) - The conduct of U.S. troops in Iraq, including increasing detention and accidental shootings of journalists, is preventing full coverage of the war reaching the American public, Reuters said on Wednesday. In a letter to Virginia Republican Sen. John Warner, head of the Senate Armed Services Committee, Reuters said U.S. forces were limiting the ability of independent journalists to operate. The letter from Reuters Global Managing Editor David Schlesinger called on Warner to raise widespread media concerns about the conduct of U.S. troops with Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, who is due to testify to the committee on Thursday. Schlesinger referred to "a long parade of disturbing incidents whereby professional journalists have been killed, wrongfully detained, and/or illegally abused by U.S. forces in Iraq." He urged Warner to demand that Rumsfeld resolve these issues "in a way that best balances the legitimate security interests of the U.S. forces in Iraq and the equally legitimate rights of journalists in conflict zones under international law". At least 66 journalists and media workers, most of them Iraqis, have been killed in the Iraq conflict since March 2003. U.S. forces acknowledge killing three Reuters journalists, most recently soundman Waleed Khaled who was shot by American soldiers on Aug. 28 while on assignment in Baghdad. But the military say the soldiers were justified in opening fire. Reuters believes a fourth journalist working for the agency, who died in Ramadi last year, was killed by a U.S. sniper. "The worsening situation for professional journalists in Iraq directly limits journalists' abilities to do their jobs and, more importantly, creates a serious chilling effect on the media overall," Schlesinger wrote. "By limiting the ability of the media to fully and independently cover the events in Iraq, the U.S. forces are unduly preventing U.S. citizens from receiving information...and undermining the very freedoms the U.S. says it is seeking to foster every day that it commits U.S. lives and U.S. dollars," the letter said. "SPIRALING OUT OF CONTROL" Schlesinger said the U.S. military had refused to conduct independent and transparent investigations into the deaths of the Reuters journalists, relying instead on inquiries by officers from the units responsible, who had exonerated their soldiers. The U.S. military had failed even to implement recommendations by its own inquiry into one of the deaths, that of award-winning Palestinian cameraman Mazen Dana who was shot dead while filming outside Abu Ghraib prison in August 2003. Schlesinger said Reuters and other reputable international news organisations were concerned by the "sizeable and rapidly increasing number of journalists detained by U.S. forces". He said most of these detentions had been prompted by legitimate journalistic activity such as possessing photographs and video of insurgents, whichU.S. soldiers assumed showed sympathy with the insurgency. In most cases the journalists were held for long periods at Abu Ghraib or Camp Bucca prisons before being released without charge. At least four journalists working for international media are currently being held without charge or legal representation in Iraq. They include two cameramen working for Reuters and a freelance reporter who sometimes works for the agency. A cameraman working for the U.S. network CBS has been detained since April despite an Iraqi court saying his case does not justify prosecution. Iraq's justice minister has criticised the system of military detentions without charge. Schlesinger's letter said: "It appears as though the U.S. forces in Iraq either completely misunderstand the role of professional journalists or do not know how to deal with journalists in a conflict zone, or both." Reuters and other media organisations in Iraq had repeatedly tried to hold a dialogue with the Pentagon to establish appropriate guidelines on how to safeguard journalists. These efforts had failed "and the situation is now spiraling out of control", Schlesinger said. He asked Warner to question Rumsfeld specifically about the rules of engagement towards professional journalists, the failure to hold independent investigations into shooting incidents and to ask what was the guidance to U.S. forces on how to distinguish legitimate journalists from insurgents. ___ Biofuel ma
Re: [Biofuel] Peugeot 505 Cooling System Problems...
Brian Rodgers a écrit : >(...) >No owners manual in the glove box was disappointing. > but you can get one, even in English for you're 505 diesel engine http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/185010607X/qid=1128891543/sr=1-29/ref=sr_1_29/102-7505173-9576937?v=glance&s=books or for the full car in french ... http://www.amazon.fr/exec/obidos/ASIN/2726872913/atixiercom-21/402-5308666-1133711 or in english but not for diesel http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0856967629/atixiercom-20/102-7505173-9576937 frantz ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Have any homebrewers out there ever taken the ASTM D6751 test?
Hello Fuse >Just wondering if any of you homebrewers out there have ever taken the >ASTM D6751 test? Jack Kenworthy did, at the Island School, and passed it, IIRC about six months from being a novice. Tom Leue tried and failed on one count. But Tom wasn't using enough methanol: >My results were good, but not quite good enough. There are 14 parameters >tested under the ASTM standard. I passed 13 of them. The last one was Total >Glycerin: this is basically a measure of the completeness of the overall >reaction,breaking down the oil into methylesters. The standard is >no more than 0.25% total glycerine from unreacted oil. My results >came back at 0.33% total >glycerine. That is 7/1000 off of the standard. Everything else met the >specifications. > >My question to throw out there is what should I do to improve the situation? >I've been a little cheap with the methanol, trying to save money, so I'm >thinking of just increasing the methanol in the reaction from 18% now to, >say, 25%. I don't know if he tried again. I'm sure there are more. FWIW. It seems if you belong to the Big Boys' Club you can send samples off to a lab and it comes back rubber stamped ASTM D6751 compliant but then it turns out there's gunk in it so you send a sample to another laboratory which reports that it's not ASTM-compliant, and you have to recall the whole batch. Though others might just have sold it anyway, what's it matter if it's mostly going to be used at B20 or B5 concentrations, nobody'll notice, and so what if a few whacko B100 treehuggers get collaterally damaged. Rob del Bueno of Vegenergy says homebrew is much better quality than the commercial biodiesel he resells. >Up here in Canada, a lab in Edmonton does the test. It >costs $1400, but the government can help out up to the tune of 70%, and >you can also do specific aspects of the test (free glycerine, etc) for a >couple hundred bucks a pop. > >Expensive, yes! So I'm just wondering how batches that are bubblewashed >make out in these tests? Anyone ever done one? Why bubblewashes particularly? Bubblewashing is gentle and it's one way to mask an incomplete reaction, but there are other ways of checking that. The main problem with bubblewashing is oxidation, but the ASTM standard doesn't include an oxidation stability limit, nor an Iodine Value limit, because they're soy-unfriendly. Best wishes Keith >Fuse ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Methanol and wastewater treatment systems
Hello Michael >methanol my biodegrade but into what? Umm, a little lower down it says: "... which are capable of completely degrading methanol to carbon dioxide and water." Yon carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas because the methanol would almost certainly be fossil fuel-derived, but it's going to be released whatever you do with the methanol, including making biodiesel with it and burning it in your motor. So what do you do with your wash-water? Do you recover the excess methanol from the biodiesel portion before washing? Best wishes Keith >if it degrades into methane that is a green house gas? > > >Original Message Follows >From: Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org >Subject: [Biofuel] Methanol and wastewater treatment systems >Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 02:10:47 +0900 > >9.1.1 Microorganisms > >The toxicity of methanol to each of three bacterial groups, i.e., >aerobic heterotrophic, Nitrosomonas and methanogens (key agents in >the natural recycling of organic material in the environment and in >wastewater treatment systems), was described by Blum & Speece (1991). >The following IC50 values (mg/litre) (the concentration that >inhibited the culture by 50%) compared to the uninhibited controls >were reported: Nitrosomonas (after 24-h exposure), 880 mg/litre; >methanogens (after 48-h exposure), 22 000 mg/litre; and aerobic >heterotrophs (after 15-h exposure), 20 000 mg/litre. Methanol was >found to be completely inhibitory to ammonia oxidation by >Nitrosomonas bacteria at a concentration of 5 x 10-3 M (about 160 >mg/litre) (Hooper & Terry, 1973)... > >... An experimental EC50 value (the concentration that reduced the >maximum observed biodegradation rate by 50%) for methanol of 2.8 >mol/litre (89.7 g/litre) was obtained in a system employing an >enriched mixed microbial culture derived from domestic waste water in >the USA (Vaishnav & Lopas, 1985). > > 9.2.1 Plants > >Hemming et al. (1995) determined the effect of methanol on the >respiration of pepper (Capsicum annuum), tomato (Lycopersicon >esulentum) and petunia (Petunia hybrida). Whole plants were exposed >to either methanol vapour or methanol solution. The general response >to methanol was the same for the three species, with a respiratory >rate increase of up to 50% at the lower methanol concentrations >tested. The response was the same for exposure to methanol vapour or >solution. Exposure of a single leaf resulted in a systemic response >throughout the whole plant within a few hours. The response lasted >for several weeks. Decreased metabolic rates and waterlogged >appearance were reported in plants following a brief exposure of a >leaf to methanol concentrations > 30%. Root tissue was reported to be >more sensitive; a decrease in metabolic rate was reported following >brief exposures to > 10% methanol. > >10.2 Evaluation of effects on the environment > >Methanol is readily degraded in the environment by photo- oxidation. >Half-lives of 7-18 days have been reported for the atmospheric >reaction of methanol with hydroxyl radicals. > >Methanol is readily biodegradable under both aerobic and anaerobic >conditions in a wide variety of environmental media. Many genera and >strains of microorganisms are capable of using methanol as a growth >substrate. Generally 80% of methanol in sewage systems is biodegraded >within 5 days. > >Methanol is a normal growth substrate for many soil micro- organisms, >which are capable of completely degrading methanol to carbon dioxide >and water. > >Methanol is of low toxicity to aquatic and terrestrial organisms and >it is not bioaccumulated. Effects due to environmental exposure to >methanol are unlikely to be observed, unless it is released to the >environment in large quantities, such as a spill. > >In summary, unless released in high concentrations, methanol would >not be expected to persist or bioaccumulate in the environment. Low >levels of release would not be expected to result in adverse >environmental effects. > >-- From: United Nations Environment Programme / International Labour >Organisation / World Health Organization: International Programme On >Chemical Safety, Environmental Health Criteria 196 - Methanol, from >IPCS INCHEM, "Chemical Safety Information from Intergovernmental >Organizations", in cooperation with the Canadian Centre for >Occupational Health and Safety (CCOHS) >http://www.inchem.org/documents/ehc/ehc/ehc196.htm > >FWIW I think 22 000 mg/litre is 2.8 per cent. > >Best wishes > >Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] 55 Gallon Drum Seal
Hi Ken >Hey Keith, > >I had been looking at the page that you mentioned as an option. I was >thinking that I'd prefer to have an actual seal but, I suppose I'll >need to replace it eventually anyway...maybe I'll just use your >suggestion and stop being so darned persnickety. :-) It lasts about a year on a bd processor lid, then it comes unstuck so you make another one. >If I go that route, >I have a nearly unlimited source of drums! I'm about to embark on a quest for 6 drums, for various purposes. Let's see, two more fuel storage tanks, one for SVO and one for bioheating oil, plus a drum to use as a charcoal kiln, one a housing for our biofuel heater, and one as the outer skin of a biogas digester. I'll use a 100-litre drum for a boiler for ethanol, already got two of those (closed tops). I'm not bothered about seals much, finding drums with cynch-clamp lids is the problem, or any lids come to that, most are closed-tops. But there's a printing company just this side of the village and they have these empty 200-litre drums with lids. Ink drums. Ulp. Colourful sort of job, cleaning them out. At least it's all squeaky-clean these days. I doubt I will be though, biodegradable or not. :-/ >Take care, I'll try! You too. Best Keith >Ken > >On 10/9/05, Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > There are some details here on putting a silicon seal on a lid >without a seal. > > > > http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor10.html > > Journey to Forever 90-litre processor ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] emulsion help thanks Ian
Thanks Ian You right I skipped the washing in the 1 liter batches and I thought its the easy part any way I read a lot about washing and emulsion since then. After all the reading I came to believe that if you have a soap or soapish lair in between BD& water you got a problem in the process found mine already it was the temp. In the processor couldn’t keep it steady. Already had a successful 80 liter batch yesterday (the smallest I can in this processor) Thanks again & happy New Year Golan - Original Message - From: Ian & Theresa Sims To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 10:59 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] emulsion help Hi Golan 2 things, 1st read all the JtF site as there are some contradictions such as BD should be clear after processing then in the washing section it says the BD maybe cloudy and need to dry/settle for a couple of days in a sunny place. There is also a good section on emulsions. 2nd do small 1L test batches to sort these sort of problems out before going big. this includes not only changing the chemical ratios but drying the oil and checking the accuracy of you measuring equipment. I have done quite a few test batches before going to 15 then 30 L batches. Have fun Ian - Original Message - From: golan & michal To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005 6:18 AM Subject: [Biofuel] emulsion help Hay Just joined the biodiesel world and this group as well. I’m from Israel & my name is Golan. Just mixed my first 100-liter batch. I use electric pump about 16 liter a minute & 2.5 kw heater. I preformed quality test (150 cc water &150 cc biodiesel shaked toghether in ahalf aliter jar) after 24 hours and got 4-5 millimeter white layer In-between the biodiesel and the water. As well the biodiesel wasn’t clear. I reheated the tank again to 52 deg C And mixed it with 10% methanol and 3.5 gram of lye per liter of oil. Mixed it for an hour. Any way I took samples after 20 and 40 min. I saw the biodiesel was darker then in the first mix and an extra very thin layer nylon like appeared on top of the biodiesel . 24 hours later preformed another quality test no spreration at all for aday and ahalf all ready it stays awaitish fluid. does any one knows what that layer is and what is there to do. All the best Golan ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.13/124 - Release Date: 7/10/2005 ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.13/124 - Release Date: 07/10/2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Methanol and wastewater treatment systems
methanol my biodegrade but into what? if it degrades into methane that is a green house gas? Original Message Follows From: Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Methanol and wastewater treatment systems Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 02:10:47 +0900 9.1.1 Microorganisms The toxicity of methanol to each of three bacterial groups, i.e., aerobic heterotrophic, Nitrosomonas and methanogens (key agents in the natural recycling of organic material in the environment and in wastewater treatment systems), was described by Blum & Speece (1991). The following IC50 values (mg/litre) (the concentration that inhibited the culture by 50%) compared to the uninhibited controls were reported: Nitrosomonas (after 24-h exposure), 880 mg/litre; methanogens (after 48-h exposure), 22 000 mg/litre; and aerobic heterotrophs (after 15-h exposure), 20 000 mg/litre. Methanol was found to be completely inhibitory to ammonia oxidation by Nitrosomonas bacteria at a concentration of 5 x 10-3 M (about 160 mg/litre) (Hooper & Terry, 1973)... ... An experimental EC50 value (the concentration that reduced the maximum observed biodegradation rate by 50%) for methanol of 2.8 mol/litre (89.7 g/litre) was obtained in a system employing an enriched mixed microbial culture derived from domestic waste water in the USA (Vaishnav & Lopas, 1985). 9.2.1 Plants Hemming et al. (1995) determined the effect of methanol on the respiration of pepper (Capsicum annuum), tomato (Lycopersicon esulentum) and petunia (Petunia hybrida). Whole plants were exposed to either methanol vapour or methanol solution. The general response to methanol was the same for the three species, with a respiratory rate increase of up to 50% at the lower methanol concentrations tested. The response was the same for exposure to methanol vapour or solution. Exposure of a single leaf resulted in a systemic response throughout the whole plant within a few hours. The response lasted for several weeks. Decreased metabolic rates and waterlogged appearance were reported in plants following a brief exposure of a leaf to methanol concentrations > 30%. Root tissue was reported to be more sensitive; a decrease in metabolic rate was reported following brief exposures to > 10% methanol. 10.2 Evaluation of effects on the environment Methanol is readily degraded in the environment by photo- oxidation. Half-lives of 7-18 days have been reported for the atmospheric reaction of methanol with hydroxyl radicals. Methanol is readily biodegradable under both aerobic and anaerobic conditions in a wide variety of environmental media. Many genera and strains of microorganisms are capable of using methanol as a growth substrate. Generally 80% of methanol in sewage systems is biodegraded within 5 days. Methanol is a normal growth substrate for many soil micro- organisms, which are capable of completely degrading methanol to carbon dioxide and water. Methanol is of low toxicity to aquatic and terrestrial organisms and it is not bioaccumulated. Effects due to environmental exposure to methanol are unlikely to be observed, unless it is released to the environment in large quantities, such as a spill. In summary, unless released in high concentrations, methanol would not be expected to persist or bioaccumulate in the environment. Low levels of release would not be expected to result in adverse environmental effects. -- From: United Nations Environment Programme / International Labour Organisation / World Health Organization: International Programme On Chemical Safety, Environmental Health Criteria 196 - Methanol, from IPCS INCHEM, "Chemical Safety Information from Intergovernmental Organizations", in cooperation with the Canadian Centre for Occupational Health and Safety (CCOHS) http://www.inchem.org/documents/ehc/ehc/ehc196.htm FWIW I think 22 000 mg/litre is 2.8 per cent. Best wishes Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] 55 Gallon Drum Seal
Hey Keith, I had been looking at the page that you mentioned as an option. I was thinking that I'd prefer to have an actual seal but, I suppose I'll need to replace it eventually anyway...maybe I'll just use your suggestion and stop being so darned persnickety. If I go that route, I have a nearly unlimited source of drums! Take care, Ken On 10/9/05, Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There are some details here on putting a silicon seal on a lid without a seal. > > http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor10.html > Journey to Forever 90-litre processor ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Methanol and wastewater treatment systems
9.1.1 Microorganisms The toxicity of methanol to each of three bacterial groups, i.e., aerobic heterotrophic, Nitrosomonas and methanogens (key agents in the natural recycling of organic material in the environment and in wastewater treatment systems), was described by Blum & Speece (1991). The following IC50 values (mg/litre) (the concentration that inhibited the culture by 50%) compared to the uninhibited controls were reported: Nitrosomonas (after 24-h exposure), 880 mg/litre; methanogens (after 48-h exposure), 22 000 mg/litre; and aerobic heterotrophs (after 15-h exposure), 20 000 mg/litre. Methanol was found to be completely inhibitory to ammonia oxidation by Nitrosomonas bacteria at a concentration of 5 x 10-3 M (about 160 mg/litre) (Hooper & Terry, 1973)... ... An experimental EC50 value (the concentration that reduced the maximum observed biodegradation rate by 50%) for methanol of 2.8 mol/litre (89.7 g/litre) was obtained in a system employing an enriched mixed microbial culture derived from domestic waste water in the USA (Vaishnav & Lopas, 1985). 9.2.1 Plants Hemming et al. (1995) determined the effect of methanol on the respiration of pepper (Capsicum annuum), tomato (Lycopersicon esulentum) and petunia (Petunia hybrida). Whole plants were exposed to either methanol vapour or methanol solution. The general response to methanol was the same for the three species, with a respiratory rate increase of up to 50% at the lower methanol concentrations tested. The response was the same for exposure to methanol vapour or solution. Exposure of a single leaf resulted in a systemic response throughout the whole plant within a few hours. The response lasted for several weeks. Decreased metabolic rates and waterlogged appearance were reported in plants following a brief exposure of a leaf to methanol concentrations > 30%. Root tissue was reported to be more sensitive; a decrease in metabolic rate was reported following brief exposures to > 10% methanol. 10.2 Evaluation of effects on the environment Methanol is readily degraded in the environment by photo- oxidation. Half-lives of 7-18 days have been reported for the atmospheric reaction of methanol with hydroxyl radicals. Methanol is readily biodegradable under both aerobic and anaerobic conditions in a wide variety of environmental media. Many genera and strains of microorganisms are capable of using methanol as a growth substrate. Generally 80% of methanol in sewage systems is biodegraded within 5 days. Methanol is a normal growth substrate for many soil micro- organisms, which are capable of completely degrading methanol to carbon dioxide and water. Methanol is of low toxicity to aquatic and terrestrial organisms and it is not bioaccumulated. Effects due to environmental exposure to methanol are unlikely to be observed, unless it is released to the environment in large quantities, such as a spill. In summary, unless released in high concentrations, methanol would not be expected to persist or bioaccumulate in the environment. Low levels of release would not be expected to result in adverse environmental effects. -- From: United Nations Environment Programme / International Labour Organisation / World Health Organization: International Programme On Chemical Safety, Environmental Health Criteria 196 - Methanol, from IPCS INCHEM, "Chemical Safety Information from Intergovernmental Organizations", in cooperation with the Canadian Centre for Occupational Health and Safety (CCOHS) http://www.inchem.org/documents/ehc/ehc/ehc196.htm FWIW I think 22 000 mg/litre is 2.8 per cent. Best wishes Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] 55 Gallon Drum Seal
Hello Doug, Ken There are some details here on putting a silicon seal on a lid without a seal. http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor10.html Journey to Forever 90-litre processor It's about halfway down. Best wishes Keith >Similar problem here, though I've processed a couple of batches without >the seal. The barrels I got had foodstuffs in them, and the seal was a >sort of foam that doesn't hold up in methanol fumes. I'm going to try >making a continuous rope of the correct circumference (continuous rope = >http://www.bhi.co.uk/hints/rope.htm )and coating it with a silicon >rubber. Then lay it into the groove, and when the silicone is nearly >solid, set the lid onto the barrel to fit the seal. If it works, I'll >let you know. :) > >doug swanson > > > >Ken Dunn wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I found a source for lots of 55 gallon drums at a low rate however, he > > doesn't have the seals. Are these available? Anybody know where I > > could find them. I'm suppose I could make a seal if necessary but, > > I'd much prefer a real one. I'm not having a lot of luck finding > > drums with seals. > > > > Thanks, > > Take care, > > Ken ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Have any homebrewers out there ever taken the ASTM D6751 test?
Just wondering if any of you homebrewers out there have ever taken the ASTM D6751 test? Up here in Canada, a lab in Edmonton does the test. It costs $1400, but the government can help out up to the tune of 70%, and you can also do specific aspects of the test (free glycerine, etc) for a couple hundred bucks a pop. Expensive, yes! So I'm just wondering how batches that are bubblewashed make out in these tests? Anyone ever done one? Fuse ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] 55 Gallon Drum Seal
Sound good, I'll be interested to hear how it works out. On 10/8/05, des <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Similar problem here, though I've processed a couple of batches without > the seal. The barrels I got had foodstuffs in them, and the seal was a > sort of foam that doesn't hold up in methanol fumes. I'm going to try > making a continuous rope of the correct circumference (continuous rope = > http://www.bhi.co.uk/hints/rope.htm )and coating it with a silicon > rubber. Then lay it into the groove, and when the silicone is nearly > solid, set the lid onto the barrel to fit the seal. If it works, I'll > let you know. :) > > doug swanson > > > > Ken Dunn wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I found a source for lots of 55 gallon drums at a low rate however, he > > doesn't have the seals. Are these available? Anybody know where I > > could find them. I'm suppose I could make a seal if necessary but, > > I'd much prefer a real one. I'm not having a lot of luck finding > > drums with seals. > > > > Thanks, > > Take care, > > Ken > > > > ___ > > Biofuel mailing list > > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 > > messages): > > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > > > > > -- > All generalizations are false. Including this one. > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > > This email is constructed entirely with OpenSource Software. > No Microsoft databits have been incorporated herein. > All existing databits have been constructed from recycled databits. > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] atkins
Arden,
You are correct and I was wrong with the Adkins in specific, I was
generalizing several of the diets using the low carb approach, ie
_Protein Power_ by Doctors Mike and Mary Eades and others. Remember
this diet has been around since the 1970's so there is more than Adkins
that did research on it. I hope you can see through my error and folly
and see that I agree with you, - any one who wishes to start this Diet
or others like it should do exactly what you say, Read the book(s)
cover to cover.
Thanks for the correction,
Jim
Wisdom to all
Arden B. Norder wrote:
>Jim,
>
>Close but no cigar . . .
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>Let's read the book shall we!!
>
>4 PHASES READ READ READ READ READ
>
>Arden
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>On Oct 08, 2005 11:17 PM, JJJN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>>Thanks Terry your comments are helpfully and right on in my mind,
>>however I would like add a note that Adkins diet and several others like
>>it do not advocate the total lack of carbohydrates or severe
>>elimination. They advocate just what you have said here GOOD Carbs are
>>the KEY, It is a three phase affair: {vegetarians can also use this
>>diet using tofu but remember protein and oils are key}
>>
>>1) Weight loss phase 1 - Induction 2 weeks severe carb reduction,
>>(includes high water intake for liver and kidney functions) include
>>fish, Lean beef, cheese, flax seed oil. (I would actually enjoy fish oil
>>and got a nice energy buzz from it) (stay away from Pig fat bacons etc
>>[additives]) (healthy stuff is key here)
>>
>>2) Weight loss phase 2 - Introduction of some very good carb sources but
>>go slow - just watch the scale, till you reach a good healthy weight.
>>EXERCISE is INCLUDED.
>>
>>3) Life time diet phase 3 - No sugars ever. stevia or Xylitol, (STAY
>>AWAY FROM ARTIFICIAL S) Good natural food sources high in fiber
>>including breads and fruits as much as you can handle based on how you
>>exercise and how you live. MAKE EXERCISE A DAILY PART OF LIFE and use
>>your scale to monitor the way how much fruit etc you eat. {Dont eat
>>meat and oils with high carbs together -6 hrs apart - this works for me
>>don't know why}
>>
>>Natural local grown foods are best - complex carbohydrates only. You
>>will do the world a favor because you won't be buying the over packaged
>>super garbage foods that puts the wrapper in the landfills and the eater
>>in the hospital.
>>
>>One last note: the Eskimos have records (according to James Michner in
>>his credits for the book _Alaska_) of elders living past 100 years,
>>their diet was full of good meat, good fat, some good carbs (harvested
>>from the sea) and good water they existed this way for centuries until
>>they were introduced to a civilized diet.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Jim
>>wisdom to all
>>
>>
>>Terry Dyck wrote:
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>>
>>
>>>On the discussion of the Atkins diet I would like to add the fact that
>>>people on this diet for a long period of time have a high risk of developing
>>>Kidney dissease according to studies done on people on the Atkins diet. The
>>>diet also can damage the liver. Heart disease is also a factor.
>>>I did a work shop for people with diabetes. What I found out when
>>>researching material about diabetes is that animal source saturated fat is
>>>one of the leading causes of type 2 diabetes.
>>>Foods that are high in fiber such as unproceesed vegetables, seeds, nuts and
>>>beans are the healthy way of preventing many diseases including type 2
>>>diabetes, heart disease and cancer.
>>>Many people talk about carbohydrates with out realizing that there are 2
>>>types of carbohydrates.
>>>simple carbohydrates such as sweateners are the bad foods but complex
>>>carbohydrates are the healthiest foods on the planet; they includes fresh
>>>unrefined vegetables. Of course local organically grown is the very best.
>>>
>>>Terry Dyck
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
From: Ken Dunn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] atkins
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 12:59:15 -0400
On 10/6/05, Chris lloyd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>No problem, there was a scientific study done on the Atkins diet in the
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>early this year, weight, blood pressure and cholesterol tested every day
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>food consumption monitored. It seems people on that diet just do not eat
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Re: [Biofuel] Sen. Lieberman: Biofuel + Plug-In Hybrids "on threshold of commercialization"
Hi Tom, I don't think it would be every one, just poor folks like me that couldn't compete for the resources that the rich folks buy it without even thinking past ..."oh my, I should invest in oil stocks, I must speak with my broker, that reminds me to get the oil changed in the hummer while I'm at it." Heh Heh well thats what it feels like from my perspective. Jim Wisdom to all Tom Irwin wrote: > Hi Todd, > > I vote for the devestating change to the American life style. Maybe > everyone could just have a life. > > Tom Irwin > > *From:* Appal Energy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > *To:* Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > *Sent:* Sun, 09 Oct 2005 01:34:54 -0300 > *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Sen. Lieberman: Biofuel + Plug-In Hybrids > "on threshold of commercialization" > > Sorry folks. But Senator Lieberman just doesn't get it. > > Someone should suggest the following as mandatory viewing as his > primer. > http://www.endofsuburbia.com/ > > Hybrids won't solve the problems we face, especially when they're now > being engineered in ways that compromise their previous efficiency > for > acceleration capability. Even alternative fuels won't solve them. > We've > reached peak production at the global scale. The only way for > demand to > match reductions in production is immediately reduced consumption. > That > means no ten year lag in waiting for hybrid market share to increase. > That means no ten year lag in biofuels to garner market share. > > What it does mean is an immediate concerted effort between > conservation, > overnight retooling of Detroit for efficiency (or else the big three > further lose market share and quickly go belly up) and alt fuels. > Anything less than a three pronged attack means a devastating > change in > "the American lifestyle." > > And we damned sure wouldn't want to disappoint or upset George > Junior or > Blaire by having to alter the overall American/Western lifestyle in > order to prevent suburban collapse and general economic pandemonium, > now would we? > > Todd Swearingen > > Snip > > > >___ >Biofuel mailing list >Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > >Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > >Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): >http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > > ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Sen. Lieberman: Biofuel + Plug-In Hybrids "on threshold of commercialization"
Hi Todd, I vote for the devestating change to the American life style. Maybe everyone could just have a life. Tom Irwin From: Appal Energy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Sun, 09 Oct 2005 01:34:54 -0300Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Sen. Lieberman: Biofuel + Plug-In Hybrids "on threshold of commercialization"Sorry folks. But Senator Lieberman just doesn't get it.Someone should suggest the following as mandatory viewing as his primer.http://www.endofsuburbia.com/Hybrids won't solve the problems we face, especially when they're now being engineered in ways that compromise their previous efficiency for acceleration capability. Even alternative fuels won't solve them. We've reached peak production at the global scale. The only way for demand to match reductions in production is immediately reduced consumption. That means no ten year lag in waiting for hybrid market share to increase. That means no ten year lag in biofuels to garner market share.What it does mean is an immediate concerted effort between conservation, overnight retooling of Detroit for efficiency (or else the big three further lose market share and quickly go belly up) and alt fuels. Anything less than a three pronged attack means a devastating change in "the American lifestyle."And we damned sure wouldn't want to disappoint or upset George Junior or Blaire by having to alter the overall American/Western lifestyle in order to prevent suburban collapse and general economic pandemonium, now would we?Todd SwearingenSnip___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] atkins
Terry, Read the book - you too are seriously misinformed. If you understood the diet fully and followed the program correctly you would see that fruits, vegetables, vitamins, protien, excercise, etc, etc, etc are not only mentioned but almost to ad nosium discussed, explained, and litterally spelled out for even the most simple of simpletons. RTFM Arden On Oct 08, 2005 08:58 PM, Terry Dyck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On the discussion of the Atkins diet I would like to add the fact that > people on this diet for a long period of time have a high risk of developing > Kidney dissease according to studies done on people on the Atkins diet. The > diet also can damage the liver. Heart disease is also a factor. > I did a work shop for people with diabetes. What I found out when > researching material about diabetes is that animal source saturated fat is > one of the leading causes of type 2 diabetes. > Foods that are high in fiber such as unproceesed vegetables, seeds, nuts and > beans are the healthy way of preventing many diseases including type 2 > diabetes, heart disease and cancer. > Many people talk about carbohydrates with out realizing that there are 2 > types of carbohydrates. > simple carbohydrates such as sweateners are the bad foods but complex > carbohydrates are the healthiest foods on the planet; they includes fresh > unrefined vegetables. Of course local organically grown is the very best. > > Terry Dyck > > > >From: Ken Dunn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > >To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > >Subject: Re: [Biofuel] atkins > >Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 12:59:15 -0400 > > > >On 10/6/05, Chris lloyd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > No problem, there was a scientific study done on the Atkins diet in the > >UK > > > early this year, weight, blood pressure and cholesterol tested every day > >and > > > food consumption monitored. It seems people on that diet just do not eat > >as > > > many calories as people eating carbs. They even had the test subjects > >locked > > > in an air chamber monitoring the amount of waste gas being produced to > >work > > > out energy lost in gas production and oily stools. But they did not > >expect > > > the lower cholesterol levels and could not explain how the dropped. They > > > thought that fresh cooked meat was better for you than processed and the > >oil > > > used in cooking should only be used once and then dumped. Chris. > > > > > > >Sounds like this particular study was comparing apples to oranges but, > >I might be reading something into it. However, it does certainly > >sounds by your description that the study compared an Atkins diet of > >fresh meats to an omniverous diet of processed foods. No doubt, a > >diet of refined carbohydrates is not a good diet. However, locally > >grown, organic whole grains are invaluable in many peoples' diets. > > > >Let's face it, the best diet is exercise. You can eat anything you > >want in moderation but, it won't help eating one thing or another > >unless you move your body. > > > >A few interesting things: > > > >There are fewer calories in 1 gram of carbohydrates than either > >proteins or fats. Fats contain the highest calory count per gram. > >Eat too much fat and it will be stored as fat for reserve. Protein is > >great but, if you eat too much, it will also be converted to fat and > >reserved. Of course, carbohydrates can also be stored as fat but, > >considering that they are the first used energy source, the chances of > >carbs being stored as fat are less. That is, providing that you eat > >only as much as your body can use or less. > > > >Carbohydrates are the first category that your body uses. Next is > >protein. Then fat. Eat more carbs and what is left for energy? > >Internal stores of fat. > > > >Whatever you eat, buying local, locally grown and organic will benefit > >everyone! And if you walk or ride your bike to pick it up, even > >better yet. > > > >Take care, > >Ken > > > >___ > >Biofuel mailing list > >Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > >http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > > >Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > >http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > >Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 > >messages): > >http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > > > > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/
Re: [Biofuel] emulsion help
Hi Golan 2 things, 1st read all the JtF site as there are some contradictions such as BD should be clear after processing then in the washing section it says the BD maybe cloudy and need to dry/settle for a couple of days in a sunny place. There is also a good section on emulsions. 2nd do small 1L test batches to sort these sort of problems out before going big. this includes not only changing the chemical ratios but drying the oil and checking the accuracy of you measuring equipment. I have done quite a few test batches before going to 15 then 30 L batches. Have fun Ian - Original Message - From: golan & michal To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005 6:18 AM Subject: [Biofuel] emulsion help Hay Just joined the biodiesel world and this group as well. I’m from Israel & my name is Golan. Just mixed my first 100-liter batch. I use electric pump about 16 liter a minute & 2.5 kw heater. I preformed quality test (150 cc water &150 cc biodiesel shaked toghether in ahalf aliter jar) after 24 hours and got 4-5 millimeter white layer In-between the biodiesel and the water. As well the biodiesel wasn’t clear. I reheated the tank again to 52 deg C And mixed it with 10% methanol and 3.5 gram of lye per liter of oil. Mixed it for an hour. Any way I took samples after 20 and 40 min. I saw the biodiesel was darker then in the first mix and an extra very thin layer nylon like appeared on top of the biodiesel . 24 hours later preformed another quality test no spreration at all for aday and ahalf all ready it stays awaitish fluid. does any one knows what that layer is and what is there to do. All the best Golan ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.13/124 - Release Date: 7/10/2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] atkins
Jim,
Close but no cigar . . .
Let's read the book shall we!!
4 PHASES READ READ READ READ READ
Arden
On Oct 08, 2005 11:17 PM, JJJN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thanks Terry your comments are helpfully and right on in my mind,
> however I would like add a note that Adkins diet and several others like
> it do not advocate the total lack of carbohydrates or severe
> elimination. They advocate just what you have said here GOOD Carbs are
> the KEY, It is a three phase affair: {vegetarians can also use this
> diet using tofu but remember protein and oils are key}
>
> 1) Weight loss phase 1 - Induction 2 weeks severe carb reduction,
> (includes high water intake for liver and kidney functions) include
> fish, Lean beef, cheese, flax seed oil. (I would actually enjoy fish oil
> and got a nice energy buzz from it) (stay away from Pig fat bacons etc
> [additives]) (healthy stuff is key here)
>
> 2) Weight loss phase 2 - Introduction of some very good carb sources but
> go slow - just watch the scale, till you reach a good healthy weight.
> EXERCISE is INCLUDED.
>
> 3) Life time diet phase 3 - No sugars ever. stevia or Xylitol, (STAY
> AWAY FROM ARTIFICIAL S) Good natural food sources high in fiber
> including breads and fruits as much as you can handle based on how you
> exercise and how you live. MAKE EXERCISE A DAILY PART OF LIFE and use
> your scale to monitor the way how much fruit etc you eat. {Dont eat
> meat and oils with high carbs together -6 hrs apart - this works for me
> don't know why}
>
> Natural local grown foods are best - complex carbohydrates only. You
> will do the world a favor because you won't be buying the over packaged
> super garbage foods that puts the wrapper in the landfills and the eater
> in the hospital.
>
> One last note: the Eskimos have records (according to James Michner in
> his credits for the book _Alaska_) of elders living past 100 years,
> their diet was full of good meat, good fat, some good carbs (harvested
> from the sea) and good water they existed this way for centuries until
> they were introduced to a civilized diet.
>
> Thanks,
> Jim
> wisdom to all
>
>
> Terry Dyck wrote:
>
> >On the discussion of the Atkins diet I would like to add the fact that
> >people on this diet for a long period of time have a high risk of developing
> >Kidney dissease according to studies done on people on the Atkins diet. The
> >diet also can damage the liver. Heart disease is also a factor.
> >I did a work shop for people with diabetes. What I found out when
> >researching material about diabetes is that animal source saturated fat is
> >one of the leading causes of type 2 diabetes.
> >Foods that are high in fiber such as unproceesed vegetables, seeds, nuts and
> >beans are the healthy way of preventing many diseases including type 2
> >diabetes, heart disease and cancer.
> >Many people talk about carbohydrates with out realizing that there are 2
> >types of carbohydrates.
> >simple carbohydrates such as sweateners are the bad foods but complex
> >carbohydrates are the healthiest foods on the planet; they includes fresh
> >unrefined vegetables. Of course local organically grown is the very best.
> >
> >Terry Dyck
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>From: Ken Dunn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
> >>To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
> >>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] atkins
> >>Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 12:59:15 -0400
> >>
> >>On 10/6/05, Chris lloyd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>No problem, there was a scientific study done on the Atkins diet in the
> >>>
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> >>UK
> >>
> >>
> >>>early this year, weight, blood pressure and cholesterol tested every day
> >>>
> >>>
> >>and
> >>
> >>
> >>>food consumption monitored. It seems people on that diet just do not eat
> >>>
> >>>
> >>as
> >>
> >>
> >>>many calories as people eating carbs. They even had the test subjects
> >>>
> >>>
> >>locked
> >>
> >>
> >>>in an air chamber monitoring the amount of waste gas being produced to
> >>>
> >>>
> >>work
> >>
> >>
> >>>out energy lost in gas production and oily stools. But they did not
> >>>
> >>>
> >>expect
> >>
> >>
> >>>the lower cholesterol levels and could not explain how the dropped. They
> >>>thought that fresh cooked meat was better for you than processed and the
> >>>
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> >>oil
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> >>
> >>>used in cooking should only be used once and then dumped. Chris.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>Sounds like this particular study was comparing apples to oranges but,
> >>I might be reading something into it. However, it does certainly
> >>sounds by your description that the study compared an Atkins diet of
> >>fresh meats to an omniverous diet of processed foods. No doubt, a
> >>diet of refined carbohydrates is not a good diet. However, locally
> >>grown, organic whole grains are invaluable in many peoples' diets.
> >>
> >>Let's face it, the
