Re: [Biofuel] I tribute to Canadians

[mark manchester]

Yes this WAS a cheesey commercial.  I think the cat got out of the bag over
the beaver being proud and noble.  But you're really rubbing it in about the
first nation of hockey, eh?  Like, I'm pullin' my touque over my eyes on
that one, bloody expansion team, even, you're definitely hittin' below the
belt there, Mr. Redler.   Jesse

> From: Mike Redler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 15:38:26 -0400
> To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
> Subject: [Biofuel] I tribute to Canadians
> 
> Even though it came from a cheesy commercial, I still like this one...
> 
> (Joe, did you write this?)
> 
> Hey, I¹m not a lumberjack or a fur trader.
> I don¹t live in an igloo, or eat blubber or own a dog sled.
> And I don¹t know Jimmy, Sally or Suzie from Canada
> 
> (although I¹m certain they¹re really, really nice.)
> 
> I have a prime minister not a president.
> I speak English and French, not American, and I pronounce it ³about² not
> ³aboot.²
> I can proudly sew my country¹s flag on my backpack.
> I believe in peacekeeping, not policing, diversity, not assimilation,
> and that the beaver is a truly proud and noble animal.
> 
> A toque is a hat, a chesterfield is a couch
> 
> and it is pronounced ³zed² not ³zee² ‹ ³zed.²
> Canada¹s the second largest land mass, the first nation of hockey
> and the best part of North America.
> My name is Joe and I am Canadian!
> 
> [meekly] Thank you.
> 
> 
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Re: [Biofuel] Freakonomics - in defence of

[Mike Redler]

Agh!!

Now ya did it. I got that stupid music from the Heineken Light 
commercial ringing in my head.

"Don't you wish your girlfriend was a freak like me..."


Mike Weaver wrote:
> Oh, you just like the "Freak" part pf Freakonmics!
>
> Michael Redler wrote:
>
>   
>> Doug wrote: "I do agree with you that most present day economists are 
>> in an extreme state of denial regarding their relationship to moral 
>> issues."
>>
>> I would agree that there is a detachment but, I'm not sure that it's 
>> denial. I mean, denial is a defense mechanism, right? Have they become 
>> defensive or do they see a close attachment to moral issues as a leash 
>> which keeps their research within current moral boundaries.
>>
>> I want to be careful not to make blanket statements because some 
>> economists may depend on moral issues because it's within the scope of 
>> their research. Those who don't include those issues (IMO) have grown 
>> accustomed to certain methods and have created their own obstacles in 
>> reaching their objective.
>>
>> Personally, I'm equally interested in the public reaction to 
>> economists research. I think the degree by which people interpret 
>> research as a call to action is a measure of how our culture submits 
>> to fear and hatred.
>>  
>> ...my $.02
>>  
>>  
>> Mike
>>  
[snip]

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[Biofuel] I tribute to Canadians

[Mike Redler]

Even though it came from a cheesy commercial, I still like this one...

(Joe, did you write this?)

Hey, I’m not a lumberjack or a fur trader.
I don’t live in an igloo, or eat blubber or own a dog sled.
And I don’t know Jimmy, Sally or Suzie from Canada

(although I’m certain they’re really, really nice.)

I have a prime minister not a president.
I speak English and French, not American, and I pronounce it “about” not 
“aboot.”
I can proudly sew my country’s flag on my backpack.
I believe in peacekeeping, not policing, diversity, not assimilation,
and that the beaver is a truly proud and noble animal.

A toque is a hat, a chesterfield is a couch

and it is pronounced “zed” not “zee” — “zed.”
Canada’s the second largest land mass, the first nation of hockey
and the best part of North America.
My name is Joe and I am Canadian!

[meekly] Thank you.


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Re: [Biofuel] Al Gore interview

[Terry Dyck]

I read a book, about 30 years ago, that Al Gore wrote on Global Warming.  He 
would have been the best leader that the U.S.A could have elected.  He also 
would have been enemy #1 for the oil related businesses.  I would speculate 
that the oil money got in the way of Al Gore's victory.  He is probably 
smart to not run again and work from the outside to educate people about the 
huge disasters that will happen if we sit back and only consider financial 
causes at the poll booth.
After stating that, government funds for disasters will eventually bankrupt 
the world if we sit back and do nothing to slow down global warming.

Terry Dyck


>From: Michael Redler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Al Gore interview
>Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 08:30:24 -0700 (PDT)
>
>
>  I'd like to know what happened since his last campaign. Did he  have a 
>vision quest or something? Maybe he broke loose from a political  sleeper 
>hold.
>
>  Do you remember how his opponents on the right  nicknamed him the "wooden 
>Indian"? It's a name that's wrong on many  levels but, the point I'm making 
>here is that he didn't seem to fight  back. It's like he was sedated or 
>something. What about the whole  "inventing the Internet" thing? He was 
>viciously attacked and I felt  embarrassed just to watch it.
>
>   Although I've never been a big fan of Al, I'd really like to see another 
>player on the field - the left side of the field.
>
>   -Redler
>
>   P.S. Agh! I used a sports metaphores!
>
>Mark Manchester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Glad you saw it.  Yes, Gore 
>sounds like such a cool guy!  I guess
>it's just more on the Buy the Administration shenanegans.  Block this
>great guy, get the richer one into office.
>
>Jesse
>
>On Jun 20, 2006, at 11:24 PM, JJJN wrote:
>
> > Mark,
> > I was in a Hotel last night in Bismarck North Dakota, I got to see the
> > whole interview.  I must say I am ready to see the movie.  I wish more
> > people could have seen Al in this light about 6 years ago.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > mark manchester wrote:
> >
> >> Ha-HAH!  Same post, new title.  This is a fantastic interview,
> >> guys, to
> >> which there has been no response at all~!  Read!  Or else let's
> >> talk about
> >> our lawns.  (Lawns are important too, don't get all biofuelly on
> >> me..)
> >>
> >> Al Gore interview, last month, about his global warming platform
> >> and movie.
> >> I missed it, maybe you did too.  Jesse
> >>
> >> http://www.macleans.ca/culture/films/article.jsp?
> >> content=20060522_127258_127
> >> 258


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Re: [Biofuel] castorbeans

[Juan Boveda]

Hi Doug.
I have done a seach on the list postings and I got 2 related to yours, the 
first one form Bob Allen [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] about Castrol special oils 
with castor oil base and another one from busyditch 
[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] for 2 cycle engines

Juan Boveda
Paraguay

-Original-
From:   bob allen [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent:   April 26 / 2006 13:07
For:biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Subject:Re: [Biofuel] castor oil

see for example

http://www.castrol.com/castrol/productdetailmin.do?categoryId=9003076&co  
ntentId=6008867

Randall Phelps wrote:
> I think I remember hearing that Castor oil was used like like motor oil
> in lawn mowers during oil fuel rationing in WWII.
>


Original-
From:   busyditch [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent:   January 8/ 2005 14:41
For:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:Re: [Biofuel] Castor oil for 2-Cycle? was ethanol:gasoline ratio

Castor oil has been used as lubricant in 2 cycle engines for years in the
world of motorsports racing. The downside is it does leave harmful deposits
in the combustion chamber and piston, reducing the life of the engine.
Racing engines are constantly being re-built, so the deposits are not a
factor in engine life. So be forewarned that "bean oil" may lead to a
shorter life in your chainsaw. The good news is that replacing a piston is
relatively easy, and a good lesson in mechanics for anyone wishing to be
more  "green".
- Original Message -
From: JCT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 7:47 AM
Subject: [Biofuel] Castor oil for 2-Cycle? was ethanol:gasoline ratio


> From: "Peggy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> snip
>
> I also asked about biolubricants to use in 2 cycle engines and was given
> the following reply:
> "The best lubricant for 2-cycle use is Castor oil.  You can buy it at
> any pharmacy and it is soluble in ethanol.  Add about 2 oz per gallon."
>
> And again, there may be more information that differs.  This just sounds
> very easy and convenient.  Hope that this helps.
>
> Best wishes,
> Peggy
>
> ---
> Hi Peggy,
> Been lurking here for sometimes but now you really caught my
> attention as I hate my chain saw exhaust smell/pollution...
> Do I understand well that I could use 2 oz castor oil per 132 oz
> ethanol (4 liters) in my chain saw?
> What other modification would have to be made to the chain saw to be
> ethanol/castor oil ready? I heard of rubber problem? Can ethanol be
> replaced by methanol?
> JCT
> ___



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From:   lres1 [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent:   June 20/ 2006 23:38
For:biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Subject:Re: [Biofuel] castorbeans

Have had many years ago engines like steam driven units that used good 
castor oil as their engine lubricants. Some of this was fed through 
adjustable sight feed lubricators to open shafts and some was in dip pans 
where a ring was inserted to the centre of a bearing but of large diameter 
and thus the ring was in the oil and slowly picked up the oil and dropped 
it to the shafts.

A similar system was used in Comet and Southern Cross wind pumps running on 
white metal bearings and or hard wood bearings. The oil for the later being 
of many mixed varieties of what could be had.

Has any one run straight castor oil as stand alone engine oil in the sump 
of an engine without using any other additives? I have used it but only in 
small model engines and not as a fully synthetic stand alone in a car or 
SUV. Any ideas?

Doug
  - Original Message -
  From: Mike Redler
  To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
  Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 5:06 AM
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] castorbeans


  Hi Juan,

  I saw the word "beans" and thought of a climbing plant, like a string 
bean.

  ...bad assumption. I'm definitely NOT a farmer.

  Anyway, I'll check Keith's links.

  Thanks.

  -Redler


  Juan Boveda wrote:
Hello Mike Redler.
That crop is like a big bush, in this subtropical country it grows like a
weed (no insecticides needed) but it needs a fertile dirt, water and a
half-squared meter for its deep roots. I does not climbs, more likely it
can be used for the urban farmer as a shadow for parking lots if they are
planted in groups. It was discussed the production of biodiesel from castor 
and Keith sent to the list the following message that has many links.
Best Regards.

Juan Boveda
Paraguay


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From:   Keith Addison [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent:   3/30/ 2006 5:38
For:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Subject:Re: [Biofuel] Seeking experience to produce biodiesel from 
Castor

  Anyone care to share any experiences with castor oil based biodiesel
brewing using small-scale plants?  I am told that castor oil dissolves
in alcohols and external heating is eliminated from the process.  I'm
also hearing conjectures that castor based biodiesel will not freeze
even below -20 deg C.  Any pointe

Re: [Biofuel] Freakonomics

[robert and benita rabello]

Darryl McMahon wrote:

  Actually, I've done some x-y correlation research in my day, and while 
it's been a while, the text of the book rings true with my experience. 
It strikes me that Levitt has done a reasonable job of substantiating 
his conclusions, as much as anyone can in the social sciences where 
running conscious control populations can be tricky.  However, he's done 
a pretty good job of finding reasonable controls for comparisons from 
data typically collected for other purposes.
  


    I'm not ready to concede the point to you.  The argument presented
in the book didn't seem convincing to me because there are too many
other factors that influence crime rates.  Others have also questioned
Mr. Levitt's analysis.  For instance:

http://www.economist.com/finance/displayStory.cfm?story_id=5246700

    Now the following words come from Christopher Foote from the
Federal Reserve Bank of Boston, but they underscore my point pretty
well:

"
"
But now economists at the Federal Reserve Bank of Boston are taking aim
at the
statistics behind one of Mr. Levitt's most controversial chapters. Mr.
Levitt
asserts there is a link between the legalization of abortion in the
early 1970s
and the drop in crime rates in the 1990s. Christopher
Foote, a senior economist at the Boston Fed, and Christopher Goetz,
a
research assistant, say the research behind that conclusion is faulty.

"
Long before he became a best-selling author, Mr. Levitt, 38 years old,
had
established a reputation among economists as a careful researcher who
produced
first-rate statistical studies on surprising subjects. In 2003, the
American
Economic Association named him the nation's best economist under 40,
one of the
most prestigious distinctions in the field. His abortion research was
published
in 2001 in the Quarterly Journal of Economics, an academic journal. (He
was the
subject of a page-one Wall Street Journal story1 in the same year.)

"
The "Freakonomics" chapter on abortion grew out of statistical studies
Mr. Levitt and a co-author, Yale Law School Prof. John Donohue,
conducted on the
subject. The theory: Unwanted children are more likely to become
troubled
adolescents, prone to crime and drug use, than are wanted children.
When
abortion was legalized in the 1970s, a whole generation of unwanted
births were
averted, leading to a drop in crime nearly two decades later when this
phantom
generation would have come of age.

"The Boston Fed's Mr. Foote says he spotted a missing formula in the
programming of Mr. Levitt's original research. He argues the
programming
oversight made it difficult to pick up other factors that might have
influenced
crime rates during the 1980s and 1990s, like the crack wave that waxed
and waned
during that period. He also argues that in producing the research, Mr.
Levitt
should have counted arrests on a per-capita basis. Instead, he counted
overall
arrests. After he adjusted for both factors, Mr. Foote says, the
abortion effect
disappeared. [Emphasis mine.]

"
"There are no statistical grounds for believing that the hypothetical
youths who were aborted as fetuses would have been more likely to
commit crimes
had they reached maturity than the actual youths who developed from
fetuses and
carried to term," the authors assert in the report. "


Correlating cause / effect relationships is a slippery business
at best, and the biggest assumption Mr. Levitt made was that abortion
eliminated a significant percentage of unwanted babies, who would, in
turn, have become criminals because of their lack of familial love and
guidance.  However, statistics concerning illegitimate births in the US
indicate a RISE after abortion was legalized.  How can that correlate
with "wantedness" and result in reduced crime?

The whole exercise was mindless, in my view.

(Neocons)

  
Interesting perspective.  I certainly did not see it that way.  In fact, 
I would have thought NeoCons would have hated it.  I suppose anyone can 
find something they like in here, but NeoCons and the whole book, that I 
don't see.  Maybe my definition of NeoCons is off.  I tend to associate 
them with the current White House crowd (Bush II, Rove, Wolfowitz, 
Perle, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, etc) and the American religious right.
  


    Those people use religion to promote a very secular agenda.  To
them, economics is twisted into a scheme that increases profit. 
Religion and pious-sounding talk serve to lull the masses to sleep. 
They're a hawkish bunch who promote "free trade" only when it suits
them.  (Don't get me started about softwood lumber!)  My sister (and
most of the people in my family, for that matter) fall quite nicely
into the NeoCon camp.  News that two American soldiers were recently
tortured and brutally slain in Iraq brought outraged responses from
solid, church-attending people who think that we ought to "bomb them
all to hell" for this.

    Now the reason NeoCons in my family LOVE this book, is that they
say Freakonomics lays out a per

Re: [Biofuel] Freakonomics - in defence of

[Mike Weaver]

Oh, you just like the "Freak" part pf Freakonmics!

Michael Redler wrote:

>
> Doug wrote: "I do agree with you that most present day economists are 
> in an extreme state of denial regarding their relationship to moral 
> issues."
>
> I would agree that there is a detachment but, I'm not sure that it's 
> denial. I mean, denial is a defense mechanism, right? Have they become 
> defensive or do they see a close attachment to moral issues as a leash 
> which keeps their research within current moral boundaries.
>
> I want to be careful not to make blanket statements because some 
> economists may depend on moral issues because it's within the scope of 
> their research. Those who don't include those issues (IMO) have grown 
> accustomed to certain methods and have created their own obstacles in 
> reaching their objective.
>
> Personally, I'm equally interested in the public reaction to 
> economists research. I think the degree by which people interpret 
> research as a call to action is a measure of how our culture submits 
> to fear and hatred.
>  
> ...my $.02
>  
>  
> Mike
>  
>
> */Doug Turner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:
>
> Hi Robert
>
> I'm afraid that I have to disagree your general dismissal of Levitt &
> Dubner's book Freakonomics. Not all of the book was particularly
> gripping
> but I thought the book provided ammunition for both the
> conservative and
> liberal camps. The correlation between legalize abortion in the US
> and the
> dramatic decline in some crime rates was controlled for other
> factors such
> as increased police budgets, stiffer penalties, altered policing
> methods,
> etc. yet Levitt was still able to attribute a large majority of the
> diminished crime rate to legalized abortion. For me, the argument
> clincher
> was that several states legalized abortion before Roe vs. Wade and
> those
> states had crime rates fall before the rest of the country. The
> author even
> stated that legalize abortion was clearly not the direct cause of
> a decline
> in the crime rate. Rather Levitt proposed that perhaps children
> who were
> not rejected at birth by their parents are more likely behave in a
> socially
> condoned manner.
>
> Nor was all of the research in the book based strictly on
> correlational
> analysis. The section dealing with drug dealers who live with
> their mothers
> was based on evidence obtained from some sociological fieldwork that
> recovered a detailed set of accounting books and records used by a
> MBA grad
> turned drug kingpin.
>
> I do agree with you that most present day economists are in an
> extreme state
> of denial regarding their relationship to moral issues. That doesn't
> necessarily mean that the analytical tools they have developed
> over the
> years cannot be used for good. The burgeoning fields of ecological
> and true
> cost economics are two examples of the application of the statistical
> economic tools being used to address some of the issues that
> concern many
> people on this list. I just hope that they hurry up and spread the
> word a
> little faster, actually a lot faster. You may want to check out
> this link
> as a place to start
> http://adbusters.org/metas/eco/truecosteconomics/economists.html
>
> Doug
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of robert and
> benita rabello
> Sent: June 20, 2006 12:38 AM
> To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Freakonomics
>
>
> Darryl McMahon wrote:
>
> >There is an oblique reference to this in the archives. I have just
> >finished reading the book, and recommend that people put it on their
> >reading lists. (No time like the present to get on your public
> >library's waiting list.)
> >
> >
>
> Yes, I think I'm the one who referenced it. This is one of my
> stockbroker sister's favorite books.
>
> >I thoroughly enjoyed the book, even learned a thing or two. I was
> aware
> >of the gun-related items, but I had not previously made the crime
> rate
> >drop connection in the U.S. with Roe vs. Wade.
> >
>
> The causal relationships the author mentions are tangential, at
> best. I'm sure a correlation can be made with the drop in crime rate
> versus GDP too. In fact, I'll bet you could correlate a drop in crime
> rate with the introduction of Viagra . . .
>
> >Nice piece of de-spinning work. So many more subjects need more such
> >treatment.
> >
> >
>
> It's a great book for NeoCons.
>
> > From the epilogue:
> >"But the fact of the matter is that /Freakonomics/-style thinking
> >simply doesn't traffic in morality. As we suggested near the
> beginning
> >of this book, if morality represents an ide

Re: [Biofuel] Al Gore interview

[Joe Street]

I think him and Clinton got together.  This time they inhaled.

J ;)


Michael Redler wrote:

> 
> I'd like to know what happened since his last campaign. Did he have a 
> vision quest or something? 


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Re: [Biofuel] Al Gore interview

[Michael Redler]

 I'd like to know what happened since his last campaign. Did he  have a vision quest or something? Maybe he broke loose from a political  sleeper hold.   Do you remember how his opponents on the right  nicknamed him the "wooden Indian"? It's a name that's wrong on many  levels but, the point I'm making here is that he didn't seem to fight  back. It's like he was sedated or something. What about the whole  "inventing the Internet" thing? He was viciously attacked and I felt  embarrassed just to watch it.Although I've never been a big fan of Al, I'd really like to see another player on the field - the left side of the field.-Redler  P.S. Agh! I used a sports metaphores!  Mark Manchester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Glad you saw it.  Yes, Gore sounds like such a cool guy!  I guess  it's
 just more on the Buy the Administration shenanegans.  Block this  great guy, get the richer one into office.JesseOn Jun 20, 2006, at 11:24 PM, JJJN wrote:> Mark,> I was in a Hotel last night in Bismarck North Dakota, I got to see the> whole interview.  I must say I am ready to see the movie.  I wish more> people could have seen Al in this light about 6 years ago.>> Jim>> mark manchester wrote:>>> Ha-HAH!  Same post, new title.  This is a fantastic interview,  >> guys, to>> which there has been no response at all~!  Read!  Or else let's  >> talk about>> our lawns.  (Lawns are important too, don't get all biofuelly on  >> me..) Al Gore interview, last month, about his global warming platform  >> and movie.>> I missed it, maybe you did too.  Jesse
 http://www.macleans.ca/culture/films/article.jsp? >> content=20060522_127258_127>> 258___
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Re: [Biofuel] Lawn question off topic

[Keith Addison]

Hello Doug

>Keith,
>Thanks for the help. So correct it is me interfering with my plant
>intrusions.
>
>The problem here is not with the grass, the trees or what is already here.
>The problem is trying to grow what is not meant to be here. Tried gardens in
>some hot tropical climates that turned into giant ant beds, the ants are
>there to do what worms would normally assist. Reality says I should not try
>and grow grapes where they don't want to grow or are a very weak and thus a
>susceptible plant to bugs etc due to location/climate. However, I like my
>grape vines, am pleased the bugs are on the out, and for the first time have
>got vines growing where they shouldn't be. At least there is no worries in
>them spreading and taking over the landscape such as Gorse introduced to NZ
>and other such growths. I figure my vines cover a small area.

I didn't realise you're growing them just for some shade at the 
office entrance.

>The rest of
>the plant life, other than the Norfolk pines, are native to here, all but,
>and thus are resistant enough to keep in good health without the use of
>pesticides.

That depends on the soil as much as anything.

>Life is one whole learning cycle thus we are all amateurs.

I agree, in that sense it's the opposite of "expert". But in the 
sense it was quoted it was the opposite of "professional" - a sneer 
at so-called professional farmers who spray everything all the time, 
because they truly are clueless.

>300 + years ago
>it was possible to read all books printed in the English Language, today
>this is an impossibility.

And yet so much knowledge has been and is being lost, and as 
individuals we are generally much less skilful today than we were a 
couple of generations ago, and, many of us, much more dependent.

>No one has read all, no one has learnt all, thus
>we are in reality all amateurs,

If you take the reading away (not the only kind of knowledge) that 
was the case 300 years ago too.

>such is the fun of living.

Indeed.

>Asked about all
>my
>many and varied interests and work, to me it is all a side line, life is the
>real issue and what all the rest compiled enables me to make of it. An
>amateur I am very proud to be it assures I have more goals to attain in
>this world. Are we here to attain the answers or the questions?

Why choose? I can't imagine a forum that only did one but not the other.

Best

Keith


>My thanks to all.
>
>Doug
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: 
>Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 1:13 PM
>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Lawn question off topic
>
>
> > >Costs zippo for raw cut and dried tobacco here, about US$2 per kilogram.
> > >
> > >I tried the mix of one handful of this to one gallon of water and let sit
> > >for 4 hours, added a little sunlight detergent and sprayed lightly on
>some
> > >plants last night, this morning there is no sign of any side effects on
>the
> > >plant and also no sign of them nibblers that were eating the palms. (easy
>to
> > >grow palms here, very very hard to grow grapes). If by days end still no
> > >detrimental signs on the palms then will try a little on the grape vines.
>At
> > >the rate I am going 1 Kg will make about 18 gallons of the bug runner.
>The
> > >initial lot was a very light yellowish color so last night I mixed more
>and
> > >over night it has gone to a very dark brown. I think I can dilute it by
> > >about 1:1 to bring it back to what it was yesturday which then means by
> > >leaving it standing for more than 12 hours I can double the 18 gallons
>per
> > >kg. All up is then less than US$3 for 36 gallons of grub off or grub
>gone.
> >
> > How many dollars it costs per gallon is hardly the point.
> >
> > >Tobacco was outlawed before DDT??? Could this be due to US
> > >"Commercial/Industrial" interests and not the fault of the tobacco. Any
>one
> > >can grow tobacco but not every one can make DDT and pesticides. More
> > >information/discussion would be a help here
> >
> > Not really. Unless you think "organic" pesticides are useful, and I'm
> > not the only one trying to tell you that pesticides are useless,
> > whether "organic" or not. "The badge of the amateur."
> >
> > Learn how to make fertile soil that's capable of growing healthy
> > plants that don't need pesticides.
> >
> > If you want to know more about "organic" pesticides there's plenty of
> > information available on using nicotine, derris, rotenone, pyrethrum,
> > quassia, sulphur, bordeaux mixture, potassium permanganate, soft soap
> > and FA soap, and so on and on, but it's just another blind alley.
> >
> > Best
> >
> > Keith
> >
> >
> > >Doug
> > >
> > >From: "JJJN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >To: 
> > >Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 10:33 AM
> > >Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Lawn question off topic
> > >
> > >
> > > > I was going to mix some of this up about 7 years ago, It so happened
> > > > that I asked a farmer about it and he told me that it would really
>work
> > > > good but he also said in a

Re: [Biofuel] Lawn question off topic

[lres1]

Joe

No worries only my grape vines, everything else seems to be very hardy and
strong with good resistance. Not even the coconuts have the "yellowing",
same with the darn beetle nut. Thanks for the help will keep in mind but my
vines I have tried for many years to grow 14 + years in Aus and 17 + here
and now that I have some don't want them eaten. Not worried if they fruit or
not, just good to see the vines here as I walk under them to my office
several times each day.

Doug
- Original Message - 
From: "Joe Street" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 8:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Lawn question off topic


> This may work for grapes but keep it the hell away from tomato plants or
> you'll find out what the tobaco mosaic virus is!
>
> Joe
>
> JJJN wrote:
>
> > I was going to mix some of this up about 7 years ago, It so happened
> > that I asked a farmer about it and he told me that it would really work
> > good but he also said in a joking way don't let the Government catch
> > you.  I took the bait and said why its all natural?  He laughed and said
> > that nicotine was the first commercial pesticide and it was also the
> > first one ever banned in the US.  I don't have any proof if what he said
> > was true but the point is natural / organic stuff can be as bad as
> > anything else if it is not used responsibly.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > Keith Addison wrote:
> >
> >
> >>>Will this kill the bugs busy eating away my precious grape vines and
> >>>shade area without harming the vine. That is used tobacco and some
> >>>soap liquid mixed with water and pump it from a hand sprayer? Got
> >>>sunlight soap here for the dishes, lemon scent even.
> >>>
> >>>Summary.
> >>>1/  1 gallon of water/juice extracted from cigarette butts.
> >>>2/  1 cup of liquid soap normally used for dishes.
> >>>3/  Mix, strain and spray on my grape vine.
> >>>4/  Do not do this in the kitchen with other cooks present.
> >>>
> >>>Doug
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>Nicotine will kill everything else too, including the bugs that eat
> >>the bugs eating your grapevines. It won't kill the vines though.
> >>
> >>Best
> >>
> >>Keith
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>- Original Message -
> >>>From: Fred Finch
> >>>To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
> >>>Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 7:47 PM
> >>>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Lawn question off topic
> >>>
> >>>Jim,
> >>>
> >>>Instead of ammonia, get a pack of chewing tobacco.  Soak it in a
> >>>gallon of water for a day in the sun.  Strain the tobacco out and
> >>>then add the dish soap.  Spray it on the buggies.  The nicotine is
> >>>absorbed into the little critters and they die.  The plants don't
> >>>care either way about the stuff.  I do this on the roses that I
> >>>have.  Works great.
> >>>
> >>>Another thing that I have done is grabbed the coffee can of butts
> >>>that my nieghbor had.  He thinks I am nutz anyway but the look on
> >>>his face when I asked him for them was priceless.  I soaked that for
> >>>a day then strained that.  Worked as well as the chewing tobacco and
> >>>was free.  Smelled nasty but did the trick just the same.
> >>>
> >>>fred
> >>>
> >>>On 6/18/06, JJJN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>Robert,
> >>>I was told that if you take one cup Lemon dish soap and mix with one
cup
> >>>lemon ammonia and spray like you would with a pesticide bottle that you
> >>>hook on the end of a garden hose.  At first I thought the idea sounded
> >>>good but then what is in all that stuff? and if it kills the bad guys
> >>>whats it doing to the good ones. Have you heard of this? What do you
> >>>think?  I tested a tiny bit on some catipillers and it sure killed them
> >>>and quick, but again that would not be the entire goal if the product
> >>>screws up 10 other cycles to do so. I wish I knew more about bugs.  I
> >>>suppose you may have some luck if you can apply it in a way that was to
> >>>the single point missing everything else.
> >>>Jim
> >>>
> >>>robert and benita rabello wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> Chris Lloyd wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >Some compost has virtually no ability to fertilise anything, I got
caught
> >out this year with the half ton I got for growing tomatoes in. It was
> >supposed to be composted household waste and tree leaves, looked
> >
> >
> >>>
> >>>good, smelt
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >good and will probably make a good soil improver but I had to start
adding
> >chicken poo to save the tomatoes. Perhaps the nutrients got
> >
> >
> >>>
> >>>washed out of it
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >but I'm going back to rotted horse manure next year.   Chris
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
>   I've found that the commercial composts are sterilized with heat to
> kill weed seeds.  This also kills all of the soil fauna, which is
> responsible for fertility.  I made that mistake once,

Re: [Biofuel] Lawn question off topic

[Mark Manchester]

True!  Even just smoking and then touching tomato plants will give  
them this leaf-rotting virus.  Very hard on French-Canadians.
Jesse
On Jun 21, 2006, at 9:32 AM, Joe Street wrote:

> This may work for grapes but keep it the hell away from tomato  
> plants or
> you'll find out what the tobaco mosaic virus is!
>
> Joe
>
> JJJN wrote:
>
>> I was going to mix some of this up about 7 years ago, It so happened
>> that I asked a farmer about it and he told me that it would really  
>> work
>> good but he also said in a joking way don't let the Government catch
>> you.  I took the bait and said why its all natural?  He laughed  
>> and said
>> that nicotine was the first commercial pesticide and it was also the
>> first one ever banned in the US.  I don't have any proof if what  
>> he said
>> was true but the point is natural / organic stuff can be as bad as
>> anything else if it is not used responsibly.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> Keith Addison wrote:
>>
>>
 Will this kill the bugs busy eating away my precious grape vines  
 and
 shade area without harming the vine. That is used tobacco and some
 soap liquid mixed with water and pump it from a hand sprayer? Got
 sunlight soap here for the dishes, lemon scent even.

 Summary.
 1/  1 gallon of water/juice extracted from cigarette butts.
 2/  1 cup of liquid soap normally used for dishes.
 3/  Mix, strain and spray on my grape vine.
 4/  Do not do this in the kitchen with other cooks present.

 Doug


>>>
>>> Nicotine will kill everything else too, including the bugs that eat
>>> the bugs eating your grapevines. It won't kill the vines though.
>>>
>>> Best
>>>
>>> Keith
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
 - Original Message -
 From: Fred Finch
 To:  
 biofuel@sustainablelists.org
 Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 7:47 PM
 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Lawn question off topic

 Jim,

 Instead of ammonia, get a pack of chewing tobacco.  Soak it in a
 gallon of water for a day in the sun.  Strain the tobacco out and
 then add the dish soap.  Spray it on the buggies.  The nicotine is
 absorbed into the little critters and they die.  The plants don't
 care either way about the stuff.  I do this on the roses that I
 have.  Works great.

 Another thing that I have done is grabbed the coffee can of butts
 that my nieghbor had.  He thinks I am nutz anyway but the look on
 his face when I asked him for them was priceless.  I soaked that  
 for
 a day then strained that.  Worked as well as the chewing tobacco  
 and
 was free.  Smelled nasty but did the trick just the same.

 fred

 On 6/18/06, JJJN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
 wrote:

 Robert,
 I was told that if you take one cup Lemon dish soap and mix with  
 one cup
 lemon ammonia and spray like you would with a pesticide bottle  
 that you
 hook on the end of a garden hose.  At first I thought the idea  
 sounded
 good but then what is in all that stuff? and if it kills the bad  
 guys
 whats it doing to the good ones. Have you heard of this? What do  
 you
 think?  I tested a tiny bit on some catipillers and it sure  
 killed them
 and quick, but again that would not be the entire goal if the  
 product
 screws up 10 other cycles to do so. I wish I knew more about  
 bugs.  I
 suppose you may have some luck if you can apply it in a way that  
 was to
 the single point missing everything else.
 Jim

 robert and benita rabello wrote:




> Chris Lloyd wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> Some compost has virtually no ability to fertilise anything, I  
>> got caught
>> out this year with the half ton I got for growing tomatoes in.  
>> It was
>> supposed to be composted household waste and tree leaves, looked
>>
>>

 good, smelt



>> good and will probably make a good soil improver but I had to  
>> start adding
>> chicken poo to save the tomatoes. Perhaps the nutrients got
>>
>>

 washed out of it



>> but I'm going back to rotted horse manure next year.   Chris
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>  I've found that the commercial composts are sterilized with  
> heat to
> kill weed seeds.  This also kills all of the soil fauna, which is
> responsible for fertility.  I made that mistake once, and since  
> then
> I've relied on my own compost.  My trees are happier (though  
> I'm STILL
> have insect and fruit problems) and look far more lush than  
> they have in
> the past.
>
>
> robert luis rabello
> "The Edge of Justice"
> Adventure for Your Mind
>  http://www.newadventure.ca

Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Re: Addicted To Oil

[Tom Irwin]

Hi Chris,
 
Click above French Fried Freidman. It's a great article.
 
Tom
 


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Re: [Biofuel] Meanwhile in the free world...

[Mark Manchester]

  We run screaming from the room, hands aloft.
Jesse
On Jun 21, 2006, at 7:21 AM, Mike Weaver wrote:

> "Republicans in the House of Representatives forced everyone to  
> spend an
> entire day discussing a non-binding resolution praising the troops and
> labeling Iraq part of the War on Terror. Later they will debate a
> resolution declaring kittens 'adorable'" --Jon Stewart)"President Bush
> is creating a Marine sanctuary in the Pacific Ocean off the northwest
> islands of Hawaii. You know what that means? No oil there." --Jay Leno
>
>>
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Re: [Biofuel] Al Gore interview

[Mark Manchester]

Glad you saw it.  Yes, Gore sounds like such a cool guy!  I guess  
it's just more on the Buy the Administration shenanegans.  Block this  
great guy, get the richer one into office.

Jesse

On Jun 20, 2006, at 11:24 PM, JJJN wrote:

> Mark,
> I was in a Hotel last night in Bismarck North Dakota, I got to see the
> whole interview.  I must say I am ready to see the movie.  I wish more
> people could have seen Al in this light about 6 years ago.
>
> Jim
>
> mark manchester wrote:
>
>> Ha-HAH!  Same post, new title.  This is a fantastic interview,  
>> guys, to
>> which there has been no response at all~!  Read!  Or else let's  
>> talk about
>> our lawns.  (Lawns are important too, don't get all biofuelly on  
>> me..)
>>
>> Al Gore interview, last month, about his global warming platform  
>> and movie.
>> I missed it, maybe you did too.  Jesse
>>
>> http://www.macleans.ca/culture/films/article.jsp? 
>> content=20060522_127258_127
>> 258
>>
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Re: [Biofuel] I don't believe in Global Warming

[Joe Street]

HUH?  dude you forgot the link

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> here is my new car.
> 
> Actually, I wonder if you could run the turbine off of BD? ;-)
> 
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Re: [Biofuel] Lawn question off topic

[Joe Street]

This may work for grapes but keep it the hell away from tomato plants or 
you'll find out what the tobaco mosaic virus is!

Joe

JJJN wrote:

> I was going to mix some of this up about 7 years ago, It so happened 
> that I asked a farmer about it and he told me that it would really work 
> good but he also said in a joking way don't let the Government catch 
> you.  I took the bait and said why its all natural?  He laughed and said 
> that nicotine was the first commercial pesticide and it was also the 
> first one ever banned in the US.  I don't have any proof if what he said 
> was true but the point is natural / organic stuff can be as bad as 
> anything else if it is not used responsibly.
> 
> Jim
> 
> Keith Addison wrote:
> 
> 
>>>Will this kill the bugs busy eating away my precious grape vines and 
>>>shade area without harming the vine. That is used tobacco and some 
>>>soap liquid mixed with water and pump it from a hand sprayer? Got 
>>>sunlight soap here for the dishes, lemon scent even.
>>>
>>>Summary.
>>>1/  1 gallon of water/juice extracted from cigarette butts.
>>>2/  1 cup of liquid soap normally used for dishes.
>>>3/  Mix, strain and spray on my grape vine.
>>>4/  Do not do this in the kitchen with other cooks present.
>>>
>>>Doug
>>>   
>>>
>>
>>Nicotine will kill everything else too, including the bugs that eat 
>>the bugs eating your grapevines. It won't kill the vines though.
>>
>>Best
>>
>>Keith
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>>- Original Message -
>>>From: Fred Finch
>>>To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>>>Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 7:47 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Lawn question off topic
>>>
>>>Jim,
>>>
>>>Instead of ammonia, get a pack of chewing tobacco.  Soak it in a 
>>>gallon of water for a day in the sun.  Strain the tobacco out and 
>>>then add the dish soap.  Spray it on the buggies.  The nicotine is 
>>>absorbed into the little critters and they die.  The plants don't 
>>>care either way about the stuff.  I do this on the roses that I 
>>>have.  Works great.
>>>
>>>Another thing that I have done is grabbed the coffee can of butts 
>>>that my nieghbor had.  He thinks I am nutz anyway but the look on 
>>>his face when I asked him for them was priceless.  I soaked that for 
>>>a day then strained that.  Worked as well as the chewing tobacco and 
>>>was free.  Smelled nasty but did the trick just the same.
>>>
>>>fred
>>>
>>>On 6/18/06, JJJN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>>Robert,
>>>I was told that if you take one cup Lemon dish soap and mix with one cup
>>>lemon ammonia and spray like you would with a pesticide bottle that you
>>>hook on the end of a garden hose.  At first I thought the idea sounded
>>>good but then what is in all that stuff? and if it kills the bad guys
>>>whats it doing to the good ones. Have you heard of this? What do you
>>>think?  I tested a tiny bit on some catipillers and it sure killed them
>>>and quick, but again that would not be the entire goal if the product
>>>screws up 10 other cycles to do so. I wish I knew more about bugs.  I
>>>suppose you may have some luck if you can apply it in a way that was to
>>>the single point missing everything else.
>>>Jim
>>>
>>>robert and benita rabello wrote:
>>>
>>>   
>>>
>>>
Chris Lloyd wrote:



 


>Some compost has virtually no ability to fertilise anything, I got caught
>out this year with the half ton I got for growing tomatoes in. It was
>supposed to be composted household waste and tree leaves, looked 
>   
>
>>>
>>>good, smelt
>>>   
>>>
>>>
>good and will probably make a good soil improver but I had to start adding
>chicken poo to save the tomatoes. Perhaps the nutrients got 
>   
>
>>>
>>>washed out of it
>>>   
>>>
>>>
>but I'm going back to rotted horse manure next year.   Chris
>
>
>
>
>   
>

  I've found that the commercial composts are sterilized with heat to
kill weed seeds.  This also kills all of the soil fauna, which is
responsible for fertility.  I made that mistake once, and since then
I've relied on my own compost.  My trees are happier (though I'm STILL
have insect and fruit problems) and look far more lush than they have in
the past.


robert luis rabello
"The Edge of Justice"
Adventure for Your Mind
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http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/
 

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Re: [Biofuel] Help needed!

[Thomas Kelly]

Charles,
I did as you plan to   put a T in the line so I could have a small 
"experimental" tank, and gradually increased BD conc.  Had no problem until 
about 50 - 60% BD. Some minor adjustments to the burner at that point.
An interesting development: The shut off valves in the line apparently 
have a rubber or plastic seal. The valve from the large tank (30% biodiesel 
: 70% petro) is fine. The valve from the smaller tank (100% BD) is dripping.
 gives me something to do this morning.
Tom

- Original Message - 
From: "Charles List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 5:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Help needed!


> Hi Tom
>
> Many thanks for the advice. I will let you know how I get on.
> I intend (hopefully) to run B100 in my boiler. I was planning to ask
> about the adjustments I will have to make! I have set up a T-piece on
> the fuel feed so I can try small amount of different % to see how I go.
>
> Best
>
> Charles
>
> On 21/06/2006, at 2:30 AM, Thomas Kelly wrote:
>
>> Charles,
>>  Then creamy canola it is.
>>
>>  It sounds as though you are getting a reaction  .
>> methanol test tells us it is not complete.
>>
>>  Could be the KOH
>>
>>  I have gotten new caustic that was not the concentration the
>> seller (or
>> the bag) said it was.
>>
>>  Do you have (or can you get) a sample of KOH (or NaOH) of
>> known purity?
>>  You could titrate a sample of the WVO with the caustic of
>> known purity
>> and then titrate the same oil w. the new, questionable KOH. A
>> comparison of
>> the titrations on the same WVO would indicate its purity.
>>  I would do it like this: (corrections appreciated)
>> 1. Divide the titration for the known by the titration for the
>> unknown.  (Titration is inverse to concentration)
>> 2. Multiply result by the conc. of the known.
>>
>> Ex: Known KOH is 85% and titration = 3.0 g/L
>>   "Unknown" KOH titrates  3.6 g/L
>>
>> 1. 3.0 divided by  3.6  =  0.8
>> 2. 0.8  X  .85   =   .708
>> "Unknown" =  70.8%  KOH
>>
>>  If the Known caustic is NaOH, then multiply its titration by
>> 1.4  prior
>> to step 1.
>>
>> You wrote:
>> "Bottom layer (20%) is solid and dark redy- brown (glycerine I
>> hope) then
>> thin layer (5%) what looks like
>> unreacted oil, then rest is dark brown "bio".  It passes the wash
>> test and
>> the third wash leaves clean water underneath and brown "bio" on
>> top. The
>> "bio" also leaves about 20-30% residue in the methanol test."
>>
>> Bottom layer:  glycerine, I think
>> Top layer:   biodiesel + unreacted glycerides (that
>>   precipitate out in the methanol test)
>> Middle layer: soaps?3.6g KOH/L WVO titration
>>   suggests you will get some soap, but I think
>>   5% is a bit high ... especially if you are not
>>   using enough caustic.
>>Could there be water in the oil (does it sizzle/pop when heated?)
>> Be patient.
>> Check the KOH.
>> Heat a sample of the oil. Stir it ... be careful, if there's
>> water in it
>> will spatter.
>>  Hang in there,
>>Tom
>> P.S.
>>  What % biodiesel do you intend to burn in your boiler?
>>  Any adjustments to the burner (pressure, nozzle, air flow?)
>>  (Just curious)
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Charles List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: 
>> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 6:38 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Help needed!
>>
>>
>>> Hi Tom
>>>
>>> Right, feel I'm making some progress. After a very cold night (-6C) I
>>> can now see three layers in my 1l test batch of creamy canola if I
>>> shine a light behind it. Bottom layer (20%) is solid and dark redy-
>>> brown (glycerine I hope) then thin layer (5%) what looks like
>>> unreacted oil, then rest is dark brown "bio".  It passes the wash
>>> test and the third wash leaves clean water underneath and brown "bio"
>>> on top. The "bio" also leaves about 20-30% residue in the methanol
>>> test.
>>>
>>> So, from this, if I assume my KOH is at fault (Occum's razor) then is
>>> there an easy way I can tell how much more KOH to add to compensate?
>>>
>>> In answer to your questions, the pre-treated oil turns very dark
>>> brown, almost black on heating past 25 degrees C and it titrates at
>>> 3.6ml (I use KOH for the titration too).
>>>
>>> My supply of normal canola has dried up as the restaurant owner has
>>> sold up and it is changing into an Indian take-away- so creamy canola
>>> is all I have to work with!!
>>>
>>> Best
>>>
>>> Charles
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 20/06/2006, at 4:25 AM, Thomas Kelly wrote:
>>>
 Charles,
  I think you would get a split, whether your chemicals were
 pure or
 somewhat contaminated. The problem would be more a matter of
 achieving a
 complete reaction.
 i.e. You would get biodiesel, but it migh

[Biofuel] I don't believe in Global Warming

[Mike Weaver]

here is my new car.

Actually, I wonder if you could run the turbine off of BD? ;-)

-Mike

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Re: [Biofuel] Lawn question off topic

[lres1]

Keith,
Thanks for the help. So correct it is me interfering with my plant
intrusions.

The problem here is not with the grass, the trees or what is already here.
The problem is trying to grow what is not meant to be here. Tried gardens in
some hot tropical climates that turned into giant ant beds, the ants are
there to do what worms would normally assist. Reality says I should not try
and grow grapes where they don't want to grow or are a very weak and thus a
susceptible plant to bugs etc due to location/climate. However, I like my
grape vines, am pleased the bugs are on the out, and for the first time have
got vines growing where they shouldn't be. At least there is no worries in
them spreading and taking over the landscape such as Gorse introduced to NZ
and other such growths. I figure my vines cover a small area. The rest of
the plant life, other than the Norfolk pines, are native to here, all but,
and thus are resistant enough to keep in good health without the use of
pesticides.

Life is one whole learning cycle thus we are all amateurs. 300 + years ago
it was possible to read all books printed in the English Language, today
this is an impossibility. No one has read all, no one has learnt all, thus
we are in reality all amateurs, such is the fun of living. Asked about all
my
many and varied interests and work, to me it is all a side line, life is the
real issue and what all the rest compiled enables me to make of it. An
amateur I am very proud to be it assures I have more goals to attain in
this world. Are we here to attain the answers or the questions?

My thanks to all.

Doug

- Original Message - 
From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 1:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Lawn question off topic


> >Costs zippo for raw cut and dried tobacco here, about US$2 per kilogram.
> >
> >I tried the mix of one handful of this to one gallon of water and let sit
> >for 4 hours, added a little sunlight detergent and sprayed lightly on
some
> >plants last night, this morning there is no sign of any side effects on
the
> >plant and also no sign of them nibblers that were eating the palms. (easy
to
> >grow palms here, very very hard to grow grapes). If by days end still no
> >detrimental signs on the palms then will try a little on the grape vines.
At
> >the rate I am going 1 Kg will make about 18 gallons of the bug runner.
The
> >initial lot was a very light yellowish color so last night I mixed more
and
> >over night it has gone to a very dark brown. I think I can dilute it by
> >about 1:1 to bring it back to what it was yesturday which then means by
> >leaving it standing for more than 12 hours I can double the 18 gallons
per
> >kg. All up is then less than US$3 for 36 gallons of grub off or grub
gone.
>
> How many dollars it costs per gallon is hardly the point.
>
> >Tobacco was outlawed before DDT??? Could this be due to US
> >"Commercial/Industrial" interests and not the fault of the tobacco. Any
one
> >can grow tobacco but not every one can make DDT and pesticides. More
> >information/discussion would be a help here
>
> Not really. Unless you think "organic" pesticides are useful, and I'm
> not the only one trying to tell you that pesticides are useless,
> whether "organic" or not. "The badge of the amateur."
>
> Learn how to make fertile soil that's capable of growing healthy
> plants that don't need pesticides.
>
> If you want to know more about "organic" pesticides there's plenty of
> information available on using nicotine, derris, rotenone, pyrethrum,
> quassia, sulphur, bordeaux mixture, potassium permanganate, soft soap
> and FA soap, and so on and on, but it's just another blind alley.
>
> Best
>
> Keith
>
>
> >Doug
> >
> >From: "JJJN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: 
> >Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 10:33 AM
> >Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Lawn question off topic
> >
> >
> > > I was going to mix some of this up about 7 years ago, It so happened
> > > that I asked a farmer about it and he told me that it would really
work
> > > good but he also said in a joking way don't let the Government catch
> > > you.  I took the bait and said why its all natural?  He laughed and
said
> > > that nicotine was the first commercial pesticide and it was also the
> > > first one ever banned in the US.  I don't have any proof if what he
said
> > > was true but the point is natural / organic stuff can be as bad as
> > > anything else if it is not used responsibly.
> > >
> > > Jim
> > >
> > > Keith Addison wrote:
> > >
> > > >>Will this kill the bugs busy eating away my precious grape vines and
> > > >>shade area without harming the vine. That is used tobacco and some
> > > >>soap liquid mixed with water and pump it from a hand sprayer? Got
> > > >>sunlight soap here for the dishes, lemon scent even.
> > > >>
> > > >>Summary.
> > > >>1/  1 gallon of water/juice extracted from cigarette butts.
> > > >>2/  1 cup of liquid soap normally used for dishes.
> > > >>3/  Mix, strain and spray on 

[Biofuel] Meanwhile in the free world...

[Mike Weaver]

"Republicans in the House of Representatives forced everyone to spend an 
entire day discussing a non-binding resolution praising the troops and 
labeling Iraq part of the War on Terror. Later they will debate a 
resolution declaring kittens 'adorable'" --Jon Stewart)"President Bush 
is creating a Marine sanctuary in the Pacific Ocean off the northwest 
islands of Hawaii. You know what that means? No oil there." --Jay Leno

>  
>

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