[Biofuel] Happy Thanksgiving

[Thomas Kelly]

Happy Thanksgiving to All,
 May we all enjoy our Pumpkin Soup, a slab of Crusty Bread, and our 
favorite refreshment   .   James Phelps' suggestion of a Guiness appeals to 
me. 
   Best Wishes to All,
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Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase?

[FRANCISCO]

I assume the metanol demand world wide is increasing as biofuels 
production are increasing sharply. Is it valid to assume prices have 
gone up do to pressure on demand not cost build up reasons?

VEry best
Chic
 
VAN DER SLUYS, WILLIAM wrote:



It is my understanding that most of the methanol available in the US is 
produced from ethylene (petroleum).  I'm not surprising that methanol prices 
have gone up, but, I am surprised it took so long for them to do so.  They 
probably will come back down in the near future since oil prices have moderated.

The other way to make methanol is from wood, by way of pyrolysis (destructive 
heating which also produces charcoal) but this is not commonly done since it is 
more difficult and costly.

- Original Message -
From: Thomas Kelly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase?


 


Hello All,
Did I miss the news?
Has there been a significant increase in the price of methanol
recently?
   
I just got the bill for a delivery (two  55gal barrels). Previous price

( July): $2.60 USD/gallon; current bill: $3.54 USD/ gallon    35%
increase in a few months?
I'll call my supplier in a little while ...  maybe it's just a billing
mistake. I am just hoping someone has some info.  


  Thanks,
Tom

   



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Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Allah or Jesus?

[Alon]

 Hi zeke
little check up on reality pleas...
Isn't judaism the first religion of self mutilation.
mutilation that could generate hidden and un hidden hostilities within a person 
or a state?
Alon.
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Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Allah or Jesus?

[Zeke Yewdall]

I don't think so.  Alot of the native american rituals involved self
mutilation in various forms, and I suspect they are similar or older or
origin to Judaism.  And the emphasis on guilt from some christian sects
(Catholicism comes to mind) could also be described as mental self
mutilation, so I'm not sure that Judaism as any particular claim to that.

On 11/23/06, Alon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


  Hi zeke
little check up on reality pleas...
Isn't judaism the first religion of self mutilation.
mutilation that could generate hidden and un hidden hostilities within a
person or a state?
Alon.

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Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase?

[Thomas Kelly]

Chic wrote:
"Is it valid to assume prices have gone up do to pressure on demand not 
cost build up reasons?"

 No. (Based on the best info I have)
 The explanation I received from a representative of a chemical supply 
company is consistent with the info at a site James Phelps provided:

http://www.purchasing.com/article/CA6389243.html

 For various reasons there was an unexpected drop in methanol production.
The drop in supply coupled with continued demand  -> price increase.
 This is similar to the helium shortage (almost thwarted the Macy's 
Thanksgiving Day Parade) due to two of the major producers going "off line" at 
the same time   .  one unexpectedly; the other to due routine yearly 
maintenance.

 The methanol price should return to a more reasonable level as production 
resumes. Production is supposedly coming back. Before the price drops, reduced 
reserves will have to be replenished. 

 It would be interesting to plot monthly prices for methanol over the past 
few years  .  see if there are months/seasons when the price is low or 
high. The representative I talked to said that the price he pays (northeastern 
US) goes up a bit during our winter months due to increased demand for 
windshield washed fluid that is winterized w. methanol.  Those of us who have 
the luxury of safe storage space might consider buying an extra barrel or two 
when the price is low.

   Tom





 
  - Original Message - 
  From: FRANCISCO 
  To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
  Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 9:22 AM
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase?


  I assume the metanol demand world wide is increasing as biofuels production 
are increasing sharply. Is it valid to assume prices have gone up do to 
pressure on demand not cost build up reasons?
  VEry best
  Chic

  VAN DER SLUYS, WILLIAM wrote: 
It is my understanding that most of the methanol available in the US is 
produced from ethylene (petroleum).  I'm not surprising that methanol prices 
have gone up, but, I am surprised it took so long for them to do so.  They 
probably will come back down in the near future since oil prices have moderated.

The other way to make methanol is from wood, by way of pyrolysis (destructive 
heating which also produces charcoal) but this is not commonly done since it is 
more difficult and costly.

- Original Message -
From: Thomas Kelly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase?


  Hello All,
 Did I miss the news?
 Has there been a significant increase in the price of methanol
recently?

 I just got the bill for a delivery (two  55gal barrels). Previous price
( July): $2.60 USD/gallon; current bill: $3.54 USD/ gallon    35%
increase in a few months?
 I'll call my supplier in a little while ...  maybe it's just a billing
mistake. I am just hoping someone has some info.  

   Thanks,
 Tom


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Re: [Biofuel] Happy Thanksgiving

[JAMES PHELPS]

The only trouble I have is deciding between Stout or draft.  h

Say for those inclined to grow Sun chokes here is my favorite recipe for this 
native American tuber;

Steam 2 cups sunchokes till fully cooked
mash in saucepan LEAVE SKINS ON!
Add 1 can Chicken or beef broth 11/2 cups
Add 1 can of mushroom stems and pieces
Add 1 cup cream half and half
1 teaspoon Corriander
1 teaspoon powdered dill
1/4 cup rice powder (I prefer basmati or Japanese mini rice {king of rice})
1 teaspoon salt
dash of pepper (on top of each bowl to dress it up)
(you can make rice powder with a coffee grinder as D Mindock mentioned)
Add water to preferred consistency

Add a pat of butter on top when serving with some chopped chives as a

Enjoy!


  - Original Message - 
  From: Thomas Kelly 
  To: biofuel 
  Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 6:16 AM
  Subject: [Biofuel] Happy Thanksgiving


  Happy Thanksgiving to All,
   May we all enjoy our Pumpkin Soup, a slab of Crusty Bread, and our 
favorite refreshment   .   James Phelps' suggestion of a Guiness appeals to 
me. 
 Best Wishes to All,
  Tom
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Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase?

[JAMES PHELPS]

Francisco,
I predict that Biodiesel producers will start working with ethanol as a result 
of these price increases, this is a good thing and it needs to happen, when it 
does that means the biodiesel produced with ethanol is 100% renewable and not 
independent on a chemical produced with natural gas. After all when we run out 
of gas, that is what we will have to use anyway.  The current timing is right 
as there are several hundred Ethanol plants across the US gearing up for 
production in 2007.  We have one within 80 miles that I will start buying from 
when my methanol is out.

Jim

  - Original Message - 
  From: FRANCISCO 
  To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
  Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 7:22 AM
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase?


  I assume the metanol demand world wide is increasing as biofuels production 
are increasing sharply. Is it valid to assume prices have gone up do to 
pressure on demand not cost build up reasons?
  VEry best
  Chic

  VAN DER SLUYS, WILLIAM wrote: 
It is my understanding that most of the methanol available in the US is 
produced from ethylene (petroleum).  I'm not surprising that methanol prices 
have gone up, but, I am surprised it took so long for them to do so.  They 
probably will come back down in the near future since oil prices have moderated.

The other way to make methanol is from wood, by way of pyrolysis (destructive 
heating which also produces charcoal) but this is not commonly done since it is 
more difficult and costly.

- Original Message -
From: Thomas Kelly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
To: biofuel 
[mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org]
Subject: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase?


  Hello All,
 Did I miss the news?
 Has there been a significant increase in the price of methanol
recently?

 I just got the bill for a delivery (two  55gal barrels). Previous price
( July): $2.60 USD/gallon; current bill: $3.54 USD/ gallon    35%
increase in a few months?
 I'll call my supplier in a little while ...  maybe it's just a billing
mistake. I am just hoping someone has some info.  

   Thanks,
 Tom


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Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase?

[Thomas Kelly]

 Ethanol to make ethyl esters makes good sense. Not only renewable, but 
carbon neutral as well.
 May have to tweak the process a bit .   vacuum to reduce water in oil?
Use high quality WVO or do an Acid Stage to reduce FFAs. Haven't heard of 
anyone using ethanol and the Foolproof Method.
 Worth the effort I'd think. Will make for interesting discussion when 
ethanol (99%+) becomes available.
   Tom
   
  - Original Message - 
  From: JAMES PHELPS 
  To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
  Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 1:16 PM
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase?


  Francisco,
  I predict that Biodiesel producers will start working with ethanol as a 
result of these price increases, this is a good thing and it needs to happen, 
when it does that means the biodiesel produced with ethanol is 100% renewable 
and not independent on a chemical produced with natural gas. After all when we 
run out of gas, that is what we will have to use anyway.  The current timing is 
right as there are several hundred Ethanol plants across the US gearing up for 
production in 2007.  We have one within 80 miles that I will start buying from 
when my methanol is out.

  Jim

- Original Message - 
From: FRANCISCO 
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 7:22 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase?


I assume the metanol demand world wide is increasing as biofuels production 
are increasing sharply. Is it valid to assume prices have gone up do to 
pressure on demand not cost build up reasons?
VEry best
Chic
  
VAN DER SLUYS, WILLIAM wrote: 
It is my understanding that most of the methanol available in the US is 
produced from ethylene (petroleum).  I'm not surprising that methanol prices 
have gone up, but, I am surprised it took so long for them to do so.  They 
probably will come back down in the near future since oil prices have moderated.

The other way to make methanol is from wood, by way of pyrolysis (destructive 
heating which also produces charcoal) but this is not commonly done since it is 
more difficult and costly.

- Original Message -
From: Thomas Kelly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase?


  Hello All,
 Did I miss the news?
 Has there been a significant increase in the price of methanol
recently?

 I just got the bill for a delivery (two  55gal barrels). Previous price
( July): $2.60 USD/gallon; current bill: $3.54 USD/ gallon    35%
increase in a few months?
 I'll call my supplier in a little while ...  maybe it's just a billing
mistake. I am just hoping someone has some info.  

   Thanks,
 Tom


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Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase?

[JAMES PHELPS]

It is something that I intend to fiddle with soon.  I like ethanol as it won't 
blind you only makes you see double temporarily ;^).

Jim
  - Original Message - 
  From: Thomas Kelly 
  To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
  Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 11:38 AM
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase?


   Ethanol to make ethyl esters makes good sense. Not only renewable, but 
carbon neutral as well.
   May have to tweak the process a bit .   vacuum to reduce water in 
oil?
  Use high quality WVO or do an Acid Stage to reduce FFAs. Haven't heard of 
anyone using ethanol and the Foolproof Method.
   Worth the effort I'd think. Will make for interesting discussion when 
ethanol (99%+) becomes available.
 Tom
 
- Original Message - 
From: JAMES PHELPS 
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 1:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase?


Francisco,
I predict that Biodiesel producers will start working with ethanol as a 
result of these price increases, this is a good thing and it needs to happen, 
when it does that means the biodiesel produced with ethanol is 100% renewable 
and not independent on a chemical produced with natural gas. After all when we 
run out of gas, that is what we will have to use anyway.  The current timing is 
right as there are several hundred Ethanol plants across the US gearing up for 
production in 2007.  We have one within 80 miles that I will start buying from 
when my methanol is out.

Jim

  - Original Message - 
  From: FRANCISCO 
  To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
  Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 7:22 AM
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase?


  I assume the metanol demand world wide is increasing as biofuels 
production are increasing sharply. Is it valid to assume prices have gone up do 
to pressure on demand not cost build up reasons?
  VEry best
  Chic

  VAN DER SLUYS, WILLIAM wrote: 
It is my understanding that most of the methanol available in the US is 
produced from ethylene (petroleum).  I'm not surprising that methanol prices 
have gone up, but, I am surprised it took so long for them to do so.  They 
probably will come back down in the near future since oil prices have moderated.

The other way to make methanol is from wood, by way of pyrolysis (destructive 
heating which also produces charcoal) but this is not commonly done since it is 
more difficult and costly.

- Original Message -
From: Thomas Kelly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
To: biofuel 
[mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org]
Subject: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase?


  Hello All,
 Did I miss the news?
 Has there been a significant increase in the price of methanol
recently?

 I just got the bill for a delivery (two  55gal barrels). Previous price
( July): $2.60 USD/gallon; current bill: $3.54 USD/ gallon    35%
increase in a few months?
 I'll call my supplier in a little while ...  maybe it's just a billing
mistake. I am just hoping someone has some info.  

   Thanks,
 Tom


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[Biofuel] Genetic breakthrough that reveals the differences between humans

[Kirk McLoren]

st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) }  

  st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) }Genetic 
breakthrough that reveals the differences between humans 
  http://news.independent.co.uk/world/science_technology/article2007490.ece
   
  Scientists hail genetic discovery that will change human understanding 
   
  By Steve Connor, Science Editor 
   
  Published: 23 November 2006 
   
  Scientists have discovered a dramatic variation in the genetic make-up of 
humans that could lead to a fundamental reappraisal of what causes incurable 
diseases and could provide a greater understanding of mankind. 
   
  The discovery has astonished scientists studying the human genome - the 
genetic recipe of man. Until now it was believed the variation between people 
was due largely to differences in the sequences of the individual " letters" of 
the genome. 
   
  It now appears much of the variation is explained instead by people having 
multiple copies of some key genes that make up the human genome. 
   
  Until now it was assumed that the human genome, or "book of life", is largely 
the same for everyone, save for a few spelling differences in some of the 
words. Instead, the findings suggest that the book contains entire sentences, 
paragraphs or even whole pages that are repeated any number of times. 
   
  The findings mean that instead of humanity being 99.9 per cent identical, as 
previously believed, we are at least 10 times more different between one 
another than once thought - which could explain why some people are prone to 
serious diseases. 
   
  The studies published today have found that instead of having just two copies 
of each gene - one from each parent - people can carry many copies, but just 
how many can vary between one person and the next. 
   
  The studies suggest variations in the number of copies of genes is normal and 
healthy. But the scientists also believe many diseases may be triggered by an 
abnormal loss or gain in the copies of some key genes. 
   
  Another implication of the finding is that we are more different to our 
closest living relative, the chimpanzee, than previously assumed from earlier 
studies. Instead of being 99 per cent similar, we are more likely to be about 
96 per cent similar. 
   
  The findings, published simultaneously in three leading science journals by 
scientists from 13 different research centres in Britain and America, were 
described as ground-breaking by leading scientists. 
   
  "I believe this research will change for ever the field of human genetics," 
said Professor James Lupski, a world authority on medical genetics at the 
Baylor College of Medicine in Houston, Texas. 
   
  Professor Lupski said the findings superseded the basic principles of human 
genetics that have been built up since the days of Gregor Mendel, the 19th 
century "father" of Mendelian genetics, and of Jim Watson and Francis Crick, 
who discovered the DNA double helix in 1953. 
   
  "One can no longer consider human traits as resulting primarily from [simple 
DNA] changes... With all respect to Watson and Crick, many Mendelian and 
complex traits, as well as sporadic diseases, may indeed result from structural 
variation of the genome," Professor Lupski said. 
   
  Deciphering the three billion letters in the sequence of the human genome was 
once likened to landing on the Moon. Having now arrived, scientists have found 
the "lunar landscape" of the genome is very different from what they expected. 
   
  Matthew Hurles, one of the project's leaders at the Wellcome Trust Sanger 
Institute in Cambridge, said the findings show each one of us has a unique 
pattern of gains and losses of entire sections of our DNA. 
   
  "One of the real surprises of these results was just how much of our DNA 
varies in copy number. We estimate this to be at least 12 per cent of the 
genome - that has never been shown before," Dr Hurles said. 
   
  Scientists have detected variation in the "copy number" of genes in some 
individuals before but the sheer scale of the variation now being discovered is 
dramatic. 
   
  "The copy number variation that researchers had seen before was simply the 
tip of the iceberg, while the bulk lay submerged, undetected," Dr Hurles said. 
   
  "We now appreciate the immense contribution of this phenomenon to genetic 
differences between individuals," he said. 
   
  The studies involved a detailed and sophisticated analysis of the genomes of 
270 people with Asian, African or European ancestry. It was important to 
include as wide a sample of the human gene pool as possible. 
   
  They found that 2,900 genes could vary in the number of copies possessed by 
the individuals. The genes involved multiple copies of stretches of DNA up to a 
million letters of the genetic code long. 
   
  "We used to think that if you had big changes like this, then they must be 
involved in disease. But we are showing that we can all have th

Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase?

[Thomas Kelly]

Jim,
 Bad news.
 I don't think it will ever be possible to obtain 99%+ ethanol in the US 
unless you make it yourself. That is exactly what I planned to work on this 
past summer. I contacted the National Revenue Center to get info regarding 
ethanol production in order to make ethyl esters. They were very helpful. It is 
necessary to obtain a permit. Ethanol used on the premises covered under the 
permit does not have to be denatured, but any ethanol that leaves the premises 
must be denatured  ex. 2 gal of unleaded gasoline added to 100 gal of ethanol. 
Because of this, I don't think it will be possible to obtain ethanol from 
another site. 
 I don't know what effect the 2 gallons of gasoline/100 gal of ethanol 
would have on the transesterification process. I also suspect that only an 
E-85 blend would be available.

 May have to consider making fuel grade ethanol.
 I got discouraged and put it aside.
 Tom

From: JAMES PHELPS 
  To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
  Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 4:02 PM
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase?


  It is something that I intend to fiddle with soon.  I like ethanol as it 
won't blind you only makes you see double temporarily ;^).

  Jim
- Original Message - 
From: Thomas Kelly 
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 11:38 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase?


 Ethanol to make ethyl esters makes good sense. Not only renewable, but 
carbon neutral as well.
 May have to tweak the process a bit .   vacuum to reduce water in 
oil?
Use high quality WVO or do an Acid Stage to reduce FFAs. Haven't heard of 
anyone using ethanol and the Foolproof Method.
 Worth the effort I'd think. Will make for interesting discussion when 
ethanol (99%+) becomes available.
   Tom
   
  - Original Message - 
  From: JAMES PHELPS 
  To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
  Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 1:16 PM
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase?


  Francisco,
  I predict that Biodiesel producers will start working with ethanol as a 
result of these price increases, this is a good thing and it needs to happen, 
when it does that means the biodiesel produced with ethanol is 100% renewable 
and not independent on a chemical produced with natural gas. After all when we 
run out of gas, that is what we will have to use anyway.  The current timing is 
right as there are several hundred Ethanol plants across the US gearing up for 
production in 2007.  We have one within 80 miles that I will start buying from 
when my methanol is out.

  Jim

- Original Message - 
From: FRANCISCO 
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 7:22 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase?


I assume the metanol demand world wide is increasing as biofuels 
production are increasing sharply. Is it valid to assume prices have gone up do 
to pressure on demand not cost build up reasons?
VEry best
Chic
  
VAN DER SLUYS, WILLIAM wrote: 
It is my understanding that most of the methanol available in the US is 
produced from ethylene (petroleum).  I'm not surprising that methanol prices 
have gone up, but, I am surprised it took so long for them to do so.  They 
probably will come back down in the near future since oil prices have moderated.

The other way to make methanol is from wood, by way of pyrolysis (destructive 
heating which also produces charcoal) but this is not commonly done since it is 
more difficult and costly.

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From: Thomas Kelly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase?


  Hello All,
 Did I miss the news?
 Has there been a significant increase in the price of methanol
recently?

 I just got the bill for a delivery (two  55gal barrels). Previous price
( July): $2.60 USD/gallon; current bill: $3.54 USD/ gallon    35%
increase in a few months?
 I'll call my supplier in a little while ...  maybe it's just a billing
mistake. I am just hoping someone has some info.  

   Thanks,
 Tom


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[Biofuel] Making Methanol

[Thomas Kelly]

 It appears to be difficult to make methanol from wood.

 Is it possible/reasonable to make methanol from methane gas?
 Methane gas generated from manure would make the methanol produced from it 
renewable and carbon neutral.
   Tom

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Re: [Biofuel] Happy Thanksgiving

[Thomas Kelly]

Jim,

  Go with the STOUT   .. didn't mean to shout

   What are Sun Chokes?? (Jerusalem Artichokes?)

   This is becoming the food network   ..  food the original biofuel.

   No complaints from me, I like it.
   Like a friend says: "Food is good, especially when you're hungry. It 
comes in different colors and flavors too, ya know."
 
 Tom
  
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  From: JAMES PHELPS 
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  Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 1:06 PM
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Happy Thanksgiving


  The only trouble I have is deciding between Stout or draft.  h

  Say for those inclined to grow Sun chokes here is my favorite recipe for this 
native American tuber;

  Steam 2 cups sunchokes till fully cooked
  mash in saucepan LEAVE SKINS ON!
  Add 1 can Chicken or beef broth 11/2 cups
  Add 1 can of mushroom stems and pieces
  Add 1 cup cream half and half
  1 teaspoon Corriander
  1 teaspoon powdered dill
  1/4 cup rice powder (I prefer basmati or Japanese mini rice {king of rice})
  1 teaspoon salt
  dash of pepper (on top of each bowl to dress it up)
  (you can make rice powder with a coffee grinder as D Mindock mentioned)
  Add water to preferred consistency

  Add a pat of butter on top when serving with some chopped chives as a

  Enjoy!


- Original Message - 
From: Thomas Kelly 
To: biofuel 
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 6:16 AM
Subject: [Biofuel] Happy Thanksgiving


Happy Thanksgiving to All,
 May we all enjoy our Pumpkin Soup, a slab of Crusty Bread, and our 
favorite refreshment   .   James Phelps' suggestion of a Guiness appeals to 
me. 
   Best Wishes to All,
Tom
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[Biofuel] Methanol as Windshield wash antifreeze

[Thomas Kelly]

Help if you can.

 I have relatives that own a bus company. They have 150+ gallons of 
windshield wash fluid. It is not winterized. How much methanol should be added 
to each gallon of washer fluid in order to prevent freezing to say  
-10F  (-23C) ?
 I will experiment as follows:
 Small sample of fluid in freezer    check temp it freezes at
 Add measured amount of methanol  . check temp it freezes at
 Repeat until I get a vol:vol ratio that produces the desired results.

 I have other things to do tomorrow    if anyone has a better 
plan/knows the correct ratio it would be appreciated.

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Re: [Biofuel] Methanol as Windshield wash antifreeze

[PAUL MILLER]

Hi Tom:  A friend who mixes windshield wash commercially uses 35% in the 
winter.  That is plenty strong for Montana, but if he uses that strength he 
does not have to worry if the temp goes below -10F by several degrees.

Paul
  - Original Message - 
  From: Thomas Kelly 
  To: biofuel 
  Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 6:33 PM
  Subject: [Biofuel] Methanol as Windshield wash antifreeze


  Help if you can.

   I have relatives that own a bus company. They have 150+ gallons of 
windshield wash fluid. It is not winterized. How much methanol should be added 
to each gallon of washer fluid in order to prevent freezing to say  
  -10F  (-23C) ?
   I will experiment as follows:
   Small sample of fluid in freezer    check temp it freezes at
   Add measured amount of methanol  . check temp it freezes at
   Repeat until I get a vol:vol ratio that produces the desired results.

   I have other things to do tomorrow    if anyone has a better 
plan/knows the correct ratio it would be appreciated.

 Tom
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Re: [Biofuel] Making Methanol

[Kurt Nolte]

It's possible, using the same process as rendering methanol from natural 
gas, but as I recall some of their catalysts are pretty nasty. Takes a 
good bit of steam, too, at least during certain portions of the process.

-Kurt

Thomas Kelly wrote:
>  It appears to be difficult to make methanol from wood.
>  
>  Is it possible/reasonable to make methanol from methane gas?
>  Methane gas generated from manure would make the methanol 
> produced from it renewable and carbon neutral.
>Tom
>  
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Re: [Biofuel] Happy Thanksgiving

[D. Mindock]

Thanks, Tom. Hope you had a good one. We did.
My wife received a gift of a huge chunk of pumpkin
yesterday. So she's making her fab soup with it. Looking forward
to some soup tomorrow. I got some Michelob Light and some artisan
bread, with ghee, to go with it.
Peace & light, D. Mindock
  - Original Message - 
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  Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 7:16 AM
  Subject: [Biofuel] Happy Thanksgiving


  Happy Thanksgiving to All,
   May we all enjoy our Pumpkin Soup, a slab of Crusty Bread, and our 
favorite refreshment   .   James Phelps' suggestion of a Guiness appeals to 
me. 
 Best Wishes to All,
  Tom


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