Re: [Biofuel] Pepsi Forced to Admit It's Bottling Tap Water
Hi, there is a problem with distilled water (or reverse Osmosis). The trace elements are removed from the water. When distilled water is consumed, the trace elements are taken from the body to balance the water. You need the trace elements. Tap water is balanced water, so does not strip trace elements from the body (although I don't like consuming chlorine regards Doug On Saturday 04 August 2007 03:22:02 am John Mullan wrote: > Some cities may, or may not, have just as clean of a water supply as that > provided in the bottled water. But I have had water from the taps of a > number of cities. Believe me, the taste of bottled water is much superior. > If my tap water tasted as good, I might not buy so much bottled water. And > most water treatment plants do not filter quite like these bottled water > companies. What cities can do reverse osmosis on a city scale? > > My 2 cents. > John > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Keith Addison > Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 12:48 PM > To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org > Subject: [Biofuel] Pepsi Forced to Admit It's Bottling Tap Water > > > http://www.alternet.org/environment/58604/ > AlterNet: Environment: > > Pepsi Forced to Admit It's Bottling Tap Water > > By Amy Goodman, Democracy Now! > Posted on August 2, 2007 > > > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 > messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Ignoring the meat of the global warming issue - Globeand Mail - 2007.08.01
i spent many, many months looking the small alcohol production question over, and im pretty sure i posted it once before, but in the u$a if you stay under 1 proof gallons (50% or 5000gal of 100%) you can register without paying the "specialty taxes" (not including road and/or sales taxes, and appropriate business-ey crap associated with selling) and as long as you keep good books, denature, and allow inspections (yearly? kind of unclear there) when (if? kind of foggy there, too) the ATF comes around. and besides, who the hell drives enough to use up 5000 gallons in a year? i surely dont. >From: "Darryl McMahon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org >To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org >Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Ignoring the meat of the global warming issue - >Globeand Mail - 2007.08.01 >Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2007 09:29:47 -0400 > >Hi Keith, >I do vaguely recall this being discussed before. I concur that CAFO is >unsustainable, and personally I am an advocate of CSA, local/home food >production, and generally (in the North American context) a less meat >rather than meatless diet. I noted in the article that they did mention >the environmental impacts of the transportation of the meat, implicitly >the industrial agriculture model. Local farming reduces that impact (as >well as others), and can be sustainable. > >I saw this article as being an indictment of scale of industrial >agricultural meat production, but perhaps my reading was shaded by my >own perspective. > >I'm also involved in the ethanol debate locally far more often than I >like. (In short, if we're going to use gasoline - and we (humans) will >until it runs out - better to use ethanol as an oxygenator/fuel system >cleaner/anti-freeze than most of the alternatives to date, e.g., MMT, >MTBE. That's E3 to E5 levels.) > >Ethanol production is another issue, and I accept that current >production in North America is more about supporting industrial >agriculture than health/environmental benefits. Another issue coming up >locally of late is the effect of ethanol on storage tanks, especially >those that are made or lined with fibreglass (e.g., underground, marine >tanks). Given all the usual caveats (e.g., we should be using less >transportation fuel in general), I would like to see more ethanol fuel >being used, but I'm not a fan of the sudden surge of demand for it based >on corn as the primary feedstock. > >In Canada, local, small scale ethanol production is effectively illegal. > The permitting process is so difficult, I understand most people simply >give up rather than try to make their own. Making it without a permit >is illegal, and the penalties can be severe. > >Darryl > >Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hi Darryl > > > > The FAO report referred to is "Livestock's long shadow - > > Environmental issues and options", see below. > > > > We dealt with it before, it's a little unfocused in some ways but > > basically it's a critique of industrialised agriculture and factory > > farming. It's often used by militant vegans and so on as "proof" that > > meat production is unsustainable, but you could apply the same > > reasoning (or disconnect) to conclude that food itself is > > unsustainable. > > > > What would be truly and disastrously unsustainable would be to ban > > meat production. Like so many of these misconceptions it deflects > > attention from the true target, which is industrialised agriculture > > itself, the whole thing, the complete catastrophe. There are other, > > better ways. > > > > A similar example is how so many greenies react to the word "ethanol" > > these days, with what can best be described as emotional hatred - > > ethanol is evil. > > > > From a recent message to SANET from Jim Worstell: > > > > >The real mystery to me is why sustainable agriculture advocates are >so quick > > >to find everything wrong with ethanol. In some circles you just >mention > > >ethanol and everyone begins to boo and hiss. It's almost as bad as > > >mentioning Baptists around Lutherans. Or Russia around Republicans. > > >Then you talk to farmers and it's the opposite reaction. > > > > They'll shout you down before you ever get to mention the guys who > > make it in their backyard from local garbage, or small family farmers > > with stills using orchard-fall, potatoes or whatever comes along, > > crops or by-products, to fuel their farms, and so on and on. If you > > do get that far they glaze over or go into denial. Just like the > > vegans. They need to believe what they believe, whatever. > > > > Maybe it's a real relief to find such a convenient scapegoat rather > > than have to confront the likes of ADM or Tysons. > > > > This below is from a previous message, in response to this >misconclusion: > > > > >If all of us did what we should be doing our houses would be one > > >room heated with Geo Thermal, hot water and electricity by solar and > > >we would walk or bike almost everywere and w
Re: [Biofuel] Pepsi Forced to Admit It's Bottling Tap Water
It's misrepresentation and profiteering, and probably misappropriation too. These companies are crooks, poisoners, and worldwide water-robbers. Eg.: http://snipurl.com/1p5ux CorpWatch http://snipurl.com/1p5v0 CorpWatch http://snipurl.com/1p5v2 CorpWatch http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg63502.html [Biofuel] Water: a commodity or a fundamental human right? Best Keith >Hi, > there is a problem with distilled water (or reverse Osmosis). The trace >elements are removed from the water. > When distilled water is consumed, the trace elements are taken from the body >to balance the water. You need the trace elements. Tap water is balanced >water, so does not strip trace elements from the body (although I don't like >consuming chlorine > >regards Doug > >On Saturday 04 August 2007 03:22:02 am John Mullan wrote: > > Some cities may, or may not, have just as clean of a water supply as that > > provided in the bottled water. But I have had water from the taps of a > > number of cities. Believe me, the taste of bottled water is much superior. > > If my tap water tasted as good, I might not buy so much bottled water. And > > most water treatment plants do not filter quite like these bottled water > > companies. What cities can do reverse osmosis on a city scale? > > > > My 2 cents. > > John > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Keith Addison > > Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 12:48 PM > > To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org > > Subject: [Biofuel] Pepsi Forced to Admit It's Bottling Tap Water > > > > > > http://www.alternet.org/environment/58604/ > > AlterNet: Environment: > > > > Pepsi Forced to Admit It's Bottling Tap Water > > > > By Amy Goodman, Democracy Now! > > Posted on August 2, 2007 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Industrial Livestock Production and Global Health Risks
GRAIN | Bird Flu Industrial Livestock Production and Global Health Risks - FAO report, part of the Pro-poor Livestock Policy Initiative - This report provides the most comprehensive analysis to date of the role played by industrial livestock in the development and spread of highly-pathogenic diseases. (added: July 2007) See also: GRAIN Bird Flu resources: http://www.grain.org/m/?id=84 http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg69185.html [Biofuel] Fowl play: The poultry industry's central role in the bird flu crisis http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg69187.html [Biofuel] The top-down global response to bird flu http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg69181.html [Biofuel] GRAIN: Bird flu: a bonanza for 'Big Chicken' --- http://www.fao.org/AG/againfo/projects/en/pplpi/docarc/pb_hpaiindustri alrisks.html PRO-POOR LIVESTOCK POLICY INITIATIVE (PPLPI) Policy Brief Industrial Livestock Production and Global Health Risks (pdf) http://www.fao.org/AG/againfo/projects/en/pplpi/docarc/pb_hpaiindustri alrisks.pdf Research Report Industrial Livestock Production and Global Health Risks http://www.fao.org/AG/againfo/projects/en/pplpi/docarc/rep-hpai_indust rialisationrisks.pdf Industrial Livestock Production and Global Health Risks Recent emergence of contagious human diseases from animals, such as Nipah in 1999, SARS in 2002 and the current epidemic of Highly Pathogenic Avian Influenza (HPAI), which has so far caused the death of nearly 200 people, have heightened public awareness of linkages between wild animals, livestock production and global public health. The risk of disease transmission from animals to humans will increase in future, due to human and livestock population growth, dramatic changes in livestock production, the emergence of worldwide agro-food networks, and a significant increase in mobility of people and goods. The case of HPAI highlights how a new viral challenge can emerge from wildlife, by first adapting and then circulating within domestic poultry populations with subsequent risks for humans and other animal species. HPAI also clearly illustrates that through extending livestock supply chains, local conditions of animal production have repercussions on global human health risks. Changes in Food Animal Production The demand for meat and other livestock products has substantially increased as human population has grown and countries have become more affluent. In response, there have been significant increases in livestock populations and densities, at times close to urban centres. Concentrated industrial food animal production has increased, using fewer but more productive livestock breeds and lines, with a specialization in and vertical integration of stages of production (e.g. breeding, raising, finishing), and major changes in the design and size of animal housing facilities. These developments have potentially serious consequences for local and global disease risks, which, so far, have not been widely recognized. Globally, pig and poultry production are the fastest growing and industrializing livestock sub-sectors with annual production growth rates of 2.6 and 3.7 percent over the past decade. In industrialized countries, the vast majority of chickens and turkeys are now produced in houses in which between 15,000 and 50,000 birds are kept throughout their lifespan. Increasingly, quail, pigs and cattle are also raised under similar conditions of high density. This trend towards industrialization of livestock production is also occurring in developing countries, where intensive production is rapidly replacing traditional systems, most notably in Asia, South America and North Africa. Keeping thousands of animals in industrial production units, which are often geographically concentrated, coupled to rapid and repeated movement of animals between units in the course of the production process increases the probability of transferring pathogens within and between livestock populations. The frequency of exposure of susceptible animal populations to pathogens in turn affects the rates of and selection criteria for pathogen evolution, and could thereby facilitate the emergence of pathogens. Emergence of Influenza Viruses Wild aquatic birds are the reservoir of influenza A viruses (IAVs) and probably all IAVs of mammals have ancestral links to avian lineages. IAVs are capable to undergo molecular transformation and to adapt to new host populations and thereby acquire the potential to cause major disease outbreaks in both avians and humans. Current evidence suggests that HPAI viruses are not endemic in wild bird populations and only arise in domestic poultry as a result of molecular changes from IAVs of low pathogenicity (LPAI). Introduction of LPAI viruses into domestic poultry populations, industrial as well as backyard, appears to occur as a result of direct or indi
Re: [Biofuel] Pepsi Forced to Admit It's Bottling Tap Water
Those trace elements are put back by many water companies. To get good, pure natural water, buy from www.oregontrailmountainspringwater.com On 8/4/07, doug <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > there is a problem with distilled water (or reverse Osmosis). The trace > elements are removed from the water. > When distilled water is consumed, the trace elements are taken from the body > to balance the water. You need the trace elements. Tap water is balanced > water, so does not strip trace elements from the body (although I don't like > consuming chlorine > > regards Doug > > On Saturday 04 August 2007 03:22:02 am John Mullan wrote: > > Some cities may, or may not, have just as clean of a water supply as that > > provided in the bottled water. But I have had water from the taps of a > > number of cities. Believe me, the taste of bottled water is much superior. > > If my tap water tasted as good, I might not buy so much bottled water. And > > most water treatment plants do not filter quite like these bottled water > > companies. What cities can do reverse osmosis on a city scale? > > > > My 2 cents. > > John > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Keith Addison > > Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 12:48 PM > > To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org > > Subject: [Biofuel] Pepsi Forced to Admit It's Bottling Tap Water > > > > > > http://www.alternet.org/environment/58604/ > > AlterNet: Environment: > > > > Pepsi Forced to Admit It's Bottling Tap Water > > > > By Amy Goodman, Democracy Now! > > Posted on August 2, 2007 > > > > > > > > ___ > > Biofuel mailing list > > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 > > messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Pepsi Forced to Admit It's Bottling Tap Water
40% of city water in the US is substandard. Water in my town is not to be drunk by pregnant women or children under 2. I think they are way too lax. I dont even grow edibles with this water. Our family garden is at my daughters on a different aquifer. Most bottled water is not RO by the way. Kirk Jeromie Reeves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Those trace elements are put back by many water companies. To get good, pure natural water, buy from www.oregontrailmountainspringwater.com On 8/4/07, doug wrote: > Hi, > there is a problem with distilled water (or reverse Osmosis). The trace > elements are removed from the water. > When distilled water is consumed, the trace elements are taken from the body > to balance the water. You need the trace elements. Tap water is balanced > water, so does not strip trace elements from the body (although I don't like > consuming chlorine > > regards Doug > > On Saturday 04 August 2007 03:22:02 am John Mullan wrote: > > Some cities may, or may not, have just as clean of a water supply as that > > provided in the bottled water. But I have had water from the taps of a > > number of cities. Believe me, the taste of bottled water is much superior. > > If my tap water tasted as good, I might not buy so much bottled water. And > > most water treatment plants do not filter quite like these bottled water > > companies. What cities can do reverse osmosis on a city scale? > > > > My 2 cents. > > John > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Keith Addison > > Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 12:48 PM > > To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org > > Subject: [Biofuel] Pepsi Forced to Admit It's Bottling Tap Water > > > > > > http://www.alternet.org/environment/58604/ > > AlterNet: Environment: > > > > Pepsi Forced to Admit It's Bottling Tap Water > > > > By Amy Goodman, Democracy Now! > > Posted on August 2, 2007 > > > > > > > > ___ > > Biofuel mailing list > > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 > > messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ - Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Pepsi Forced to Admit It's Bottling Tap Water
Yup Coke, Pepsi, and some other large companies are evil polluting corporate entities. The link I posted is to a small (local) bottling company that is not evil. If city water is substandard then that needs dealt with, but what does that have to do with bottled water? The company is spending the money to clean, package, and distribute it. They should be allowed to do so. I also think they should be shut down immediately if there is contaminates in the water. I am not one for piddly fines, a 30 day shut down per offense, after 3 the company is disbanded. Same for city water, there is simply no reason for it other then laziness. Its like this collapsed bridge in MN. How far would 2 billion go for fixing all the bridges in the state? For providing education? For any number of other domestic programs, like wind & solar energy. As for the lacking minerals in bottled water, so what? As long as they do not lie about what IS in it, or is NOT in it, then they are fine. If the water does not fit your diet just do not buy it or supplement your diet. Am I missing something? On 8/4/07, Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It's misrepresentation and profiteering, and probably > misappropriation too. These companies are crooks, poisoners, and > worldwide water-robbers. Eg.: > > http://snipurl.com/1p5ux > CorpWatch > > http://snipurl.com/1p5v0 > CorpWatch > > http://snipurl.com/1p5v2 > CorpWatch > > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg63502.html > [Biofuel] Water: a commodity or a fundamental human right? > > Best > > Keith > > > >Hi, > > there is a problem with distilled water (or reverse Osmosis). The trace > >elements are removed from the water. > > When distilled water is consumed, the trace elements are taken from the body > >to balance the water. You need the trace elements. Tap water is balanced > >water, so does not strip trace elements from the body (although I don't like > >consuming chlorine > > > >regards Doug > > > >On Saturday 04 August 2007 03:22:02 am John Mullan wrote: > > > Some cities may, or may not, have just as clean of a water supply as that > > > provided in the bottled water. But I have had water from the taps of a > > > number of cities. Believe me, the taste of bottled water is much > > > superior. > > > If my tap water tasted as good, I might not buy so much bottled water. > > > And > > > most water treatment plants do not filter quite like these bottled water > > > companies. What cities can do reverse osmosis on a city scale? > > > > > > My 2 cents. > > > John > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Keith Addison > > > Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 12:48 PM > > > To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org > > > Subject: [Biofuel] Pepsi Forced to Admit It's Bottling Tap Water > > > > > > > > > http://www.alternet.org/environment/58604/ > > > AlterNet: Environment: > > > > > > Pepsi Forced to Admit It's Bottling Tap Water > > > > > > By Amy Goodman, Democracy Now! > > > Posted on August 2, 2007 > > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Pepsi Forced to Admit It's Bottling Tap Water
On the road I drink bottled water. The chloramine levels in some towns gives me a sore throat. Plus it is a carcinogen. Jeromie Reeves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Yup Coke, Pepsi, and some other large companies are evil polluting corporate entities. The link I posted is to a small (local) bottling company that is not evil. If city water is substandard then that needs dealt with, but what does that have to do with bottled water? The company is spending the money to clean, package, and distribute it. They should be allowed to do so. I also think they should be shut down immediately if there is contaminates in the water. I am not one for piddly fines, a 30 day shut down per offense, after 3 the company is disbanded. Same for city water, there is simply no reason for it other then laziness. Its like this collapsed bridge in MN. How far would 2 billion go for fixing all the bridges in the state? For providing education? For any number of other domestic programs, like wind & solar energy. As for the lacking minerals in bottled water, so what? As long as they do not lie about what IS in it, or is NOT in it, then they are fine. If the water does not fit your diet just do not buy it or supplement your diet. Am I missing something? On 8/4/07, Keith Addison wrote: > It's misrepresentation and profiteering, and probably > misappropriation too. These companies are crooks, poisoners, and > worldwide water-robbers. Eg.: > > http://snipurl.com/1p5ux > CorpWatch > > http://snipurl.com/1p5v0 > CorpWatch > > http://snipurl.com/1p5v2 > CorpWatch > > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg63502.html > [Biofuel] Water: a commodity or a fundamental human right? > > Best > > Keith > > > >Hi, > > there is a problem with distilled water (or reverse Osmosis). The trace > >elements are removed from the water. > > When distilled water is consumed, the trace elements are taken from the body > >to balance the water. You need the trace elements. Tap water is balanced > >water, so does not strip trace elements from the body (although I don't like > >consuming chlorine > > > >regards Doug > > > >On Saturday 04 August 2007 03:22:02 am John Mullan wrote: > > > Some cities may, or may not, have just as clean of a water supply as that > > > provided in the bottled water. But I have had water from the taps of a > > > number of cities. Believe me, the taste of bottled water is much superior. > > > If my tap water tasted as good, I might not buy so much bottled water. And > > > most water treatment plants do not filter quite like these bottled water > > > companies. What cities can do reverse osmosis on a city scale? > > > > > > My 2 cents. > > > John > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Keith Addison > > > Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 12:48 PM > > > To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org > > > Subject: [Biofuel] Pepsi Forced to Admit It's Bottling Tap Water > > > > > > > > > http://www.alternet.org/environment/58604/ > > > AlterNet: Environment: > > > > > > Pepsi Forced to Admit It's Bottling Tap Water > > > > > > By Amy Goodman, Democracy Now! > > > Posted on August 2, 2007 > > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ - Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Ignoring the meat of the global warming issue - Globeand Mail - 2007.08.01
Jason Mier wrote: >i spent many, many months looking the small alcohol production question >over, and im pretty sure i posted it once before, but in the u$a if you stay >under 1 proof gallons (50% or 5000gal of 100%) you can register without >paying the "specialty taxes" (not including road and/or sales taxes, and >appropriate business-ey crap associated with selling) and as long as you >keep good books, denature, and allow inspections (yearly? kind of unclear >there) when (if? kind of foggy there, too) the ATF comes around. > > This is true in the US, but here in Canada the regulations simply do not contemplate and individual distiller. Permits are granted to businesses, with business numbers (this is for taxation purposes) and a fairly hefty bond (something like $10 000) has to be posted. There are all manner of requirements (such as floor space and security) that pretty well eliminate people like me from distilling ethanol for individual use. It would be nice to burn ethanol in my supercharged truck, but I'm NOT moving across the line just so I can distill my own fuel! >and besides, who the hell drives enough to use up 5000 gallons in a year? i >surely dont. > > That depends on WHAT you drive and how far you drive. The regulations in the US were really intended to allow farmers to make their own fuel and thus run their equipment with a measure of independence. robert luis rabello "The Edge of Justice" "The Long Journey" New Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Pepsi Forced to Admit It's Bottling Tap Water
spoon tanks my grandfather has a pressure tank in the basement, and it has a spoon welded over the input opening. it doesnt slow the water down any, but it splatters it all around the inside if the tank which is vented. we have sulfurwater, and sometimes it smells bad, but not nearly as bad as the water sraight out of the well! its like someone tried to boil rotten eggs in a closed room.. :/ i think chlorine can be reduced in the same manner. From: doug <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Pepsi Forced to Admit It's Bottling Tap Water Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 22:00:03 +1000 Hi, there is a problem with distilled water (or reverse Osmosis). The trace elements are removed from the water. When distilled water is consumed, the trace elements are taken from the body to balance the water. You need the trace elements. Tap water is balanced water, so does not strip trace elements from the body (although I don't like consuming chlorine regards Doug On Saturday 04 August 2007 03:22:02 am John Mullan wrote: > Some cities may, or may not, have just as clean of a water supply as that > provided in the bottled water. But I have had water from the taps of a > number of cities. Believe me, the taste of bottled water is much superior. > If my tap water tasted as good, I might not buy so much bottled water. And > most water treatment plants do not filter quite like these bottled water > companies. What cities can do reverse osmosis on a city scale? > > My 2 cents. > John > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Keith Addison > Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 12:48 PM > To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org > Subject: [Biofuel] Pepsi Forced to Admit It's Bottling Tap Water > > > http://www.alternet.org/environment/58604/ > AlterNet: Environment: > > Pepsi Forced to Admit It's Bottling Tap Water > > By Amy Goodman, Democracy Now! > Posted on August 2, 2007 > > > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 > messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ _ Messenger Café open for fun 24/7. Hot games, cool activities served daily. Visit now. http://cafemessenger.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_AugHMtagline ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Pepsi Forced to Admit It's Bottling Tap Water
John, I have well water. It is good. I've been to people's houses and have been given bottled water to drink. > most water treatment plants do not filter quite like these bottled water > companies. What cities can do reverse osmosis on a city scale? I haven't researched water purifiers. Isn't it possible to purify water by reverse osmosis, or whatever, on a small scale so that people can have good drinking water in their own houses/apartments/places of work? Couldn't they then put it in durable (nalgene?) bottles for when they go out? This, rather than buying bottled tap water that has been transported many miles, in "disposable" containers that contribute so much to landfills, let alone the energy/resources wasted to produce. Like I said, I haven't looked into it. At $1 - $3 for half a liter of bottled water wouldn't the price of filtration quickly pay for itself ? Shouldn't housing plans, whether for individual families or apartments, consider water quality and, if necessary, include water filtration units in the design? This may sound odd, but before I made the major investment of buying a house I tasted the water. Back then it was common practice to taste the water before buying a house. Quality water was a very high priority. The value of a house or apartment is, at least in part, a function of water quality at the tap. There was (is still?) an image associated with bottled water . it's somehow special and so are those that drink it. In view of what we now know, this is B.S. No? What if we decided to ensure good water at our taps and better still, good water at the source? What if we took as much pride in the water coming from our tap as we do in the view we have from our living room or our back deck? I'm old enough to remember a day when my father would take us to a ball game and complain about having to pay for parking at the stadium lot. He'd say "Next thing, we'll be paying for water." Is it possible to filter water so that it is not only healthy, but tastes good too? Tom - Original Message - From: "John Mullan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 1:22 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Pepsi Forced to Admit It's Bottling Tap Water > Some cities may, or may not, have just as clean of a water supply as that > provided in the bottled water. But I have had water from the taps of a > number of cities. Believe me, the taste of bottled water is much > superior. > If my tap water tasted as good, I might not buy so much bottled water. > And > most water treatment plants do not filter quite like these bottled water > companies. What cities can do reverse osmosis on a city scale? > > My 2 cents. > John > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Keith Addison > Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 12:48 PM > To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org > Subject: [Biofuel] Pepsi Forced to Admit It's Bottling Tap Water > > > http://www.alternet.org/environment/58604/ > AlterNet: Environment: > > Pepsi Forced to Admit It's Bottling Tap Water > > By Amy Goodman, Democracy Now! > Posted on August 2, 2007 > > > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 > messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > > ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Pepsi Forced to Admit It's Bottling Tap Water
chlorine can, chloramines no. And most municipalities use chloramines now. Cheaper. Jason Mier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: spoon tanks my grandfather has a pressure tank in the basement, and it has a spoon welded over the input opening. it doesnt slow the water down any, but it splatters it all around the inside if the tank which is vented. we have sulfurwater, and sometimes it smells bad, but not nearly as bad as the water sraight out of the well! its like someone tried to boil rotten eggs in a closed room.. :/ i think chlorine can be reduced in the same manner. >From: doug >Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org >To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org >Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Pepsi Forced to Admit It's Bottling Tap Water >Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 22:00:03 +1000 > >Hi, > there is a problem with distilled water (or reverse Osmosis). The trace >elements are removed from the water. > When distilled water is consumed, the trace elements are taken from the >body >to balance the water. You need the trace elements. Tap water is balanced >water, so does not strip trace elements from the body (although I don't >like >consuming chlorine > >regards Doug > >On Saturday 04 August 2007 03:22:02 am John Mullan wrote: > > Some cities may, or may not, have just as clean of a water supply as >that > > provided in the bottled water. But I have had water from the taps of a > > number of cities. Believe me, the taste of bottled water is much >superior. > > If my tap water tasted as good, I might not buy so much bottled water. >And > > most water treatment plants do not filter quite like these bottled water > > companies. What cities can do reverse osmosis on a city scale? > > > > My 2 cents. > > John > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Keith Addison > > Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 12:48 PM > > To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org > > Subject: [Biofuel] Pepsi Forced to Admit It's Bottling Tap Water > > > > > > http://www.alternet.org/environment/58604/ > > AlterNet: Environment: > > > > Pepsi Forced to Admit It's Bottling Tap Water > > > > By Amy Goodman, Democracy Now! > > Posted on August 2, 2007 > > > > > > > > ___ > > Biofuel mailing list > > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > > >http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 > > messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > >___ >Biofuel mailing list >Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > >Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > >Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 >messages): >http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > _ Messenger Café open for fun 24/7. Hot games, cool activities served daily. Visit now. http://cafemessenger.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_AugHMtagline ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ - Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Pepsi Forced to Admit It's Bottling Tap Water
>Yup Coke, Pepsi, and some other large companies are evil polluting >corporate entities. >The link I posted is to a small (local) bottling company that is not evil. > >If city water is substandard then that needs dealt with, but what does >that have to do with bottled water? The company is spending the money >to clean, package, and distribute it. They should be allowed to do so. >I also think they should be shut down immediately if there is >contaminates in the water. I am not one for piddly fines, a 30 day >shut down per offense, after 3 the company is disbanded. Same for city >water, there is simply no reason for it other then laziness. > >Its like this collapsed bridge in MN. How far would 2 billion go for >fixing all the bridges in the state? For providing education? For any >number of other domestic programs, like wind & solar energy. > >As for the lacking minerals in bottled water, so what? As long as they >do not lie about what IS in it, or is NOT in it, then they are fine. >If the water does not fit your diet just do not buy it or supplement >your diet. > >Am I missing something? They do lie. Did you read the whole article? http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg70602.html [Biofuel] Pepsi Forced to Admit It's Bottling Tap Water Did you miss this bit? "The environmental impact of the country's obsession with bottled water has been staggering. Each day an estimated 60 million plastic water bottles are thrown away. Most are not recycled. The Pacific Institute has estimated 20 million barrels of oil are used each year to make the plastic for water bottles." Here's Blanding's article: http://www.alternet.org/story/43480/ The Bottled Water Lie By Michael Blanding, AlterNet October 26, 2006 There's good info on water rip-offs in the list archives. Best Keith >On 8/4/07, Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It's misrepresentation and profiteering, and probably > > misappropriation too. These companies are crooks, poisoners, and > > worldwide water-robbers. Eg.: > > > > http://snipurl.com/1p5ux > > CorpWatch > > > > http://snipurl.com/1p5v0 > > CorpWatch > > > > http://snipurl.com/1p5v2 > > CorpWatch > > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg63502.html > > [Biofuel] Water: a commodity or a fundamental human right? > > > > Best > > > > Keith > > > > > > >Hi, > > > there is a problem with distilled water (or reverse Osmosis). The trace > > >elements are removed from the water. > > > When distilled water is consumed, the trace elements are taken >from the body > > >to balance the water. You need the trace elements. Tap water is balanced > > >water, so does not strip trace elements from the body (although >I don't like > > >consuming chlorine > > > > > >regards Doug > > > > > >On Saturday 04 August 2007 03:22:02 am John Mullan wrote: > > > > Some cities may, or may not, have just as clean of a water >supply as that > > > > provided in the bottled water. But I have had water from the taps of a > > > > number of cities. Believe me, the taste of bottled water is >much superior. > > > > If my tap water tasted as good, I might not buy so much >bottled water. And > > > > most water treatment plants do not filter quite like these >bottled water > > > > companies. What cities can do reverse osmosis on a city scale? > > > > > > > > My 2 cents. > > > > John > > > > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Keith Addison > > > > Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 12:48 PM > > > > To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org > > > > Subject: [Biofuel] Pepsi Forced to Admit It's Bottling Tap Water > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.alternet.org/environment/58604/ > > > > AlterNet: Environment: > > > > > > > > Pepsi Forced to Admit It's Bottling Tap Water > > > > > > > > By Amy Goodman, Democracy Now! > > > > Posted on August 2, 2007 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Pepsi Forced to Admit It's Bottling Tap Water
On 8/4/07, Thomas Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > John, > I have well water. It is good. I've been to people's houses and have > been given bottled water to drink. > > > most water treatment plants do not filter quite like these bottled water > > companies. What cities can do reverse osmosis on a city scale? > > I haven't researched water purifiers. Isn't it possible to purify water > by reverse osmosis, or whatever, on a small scale so that people can have > good drinking water in their own houses/apartments/places of work? Yup that is possible. I have seen and used a number of small water purifiers at some eco minded peoples homes here in the valley. They all have solar panels and a few have wind (thats where I met them) www.freedrinkingwater.com > Couldn't > they then put it in durable (nalgene?) bottles for when they go out? This, > rather than buying bottled tap water that has been transported many miles, > in "disposable" containers that contribute so much to landfills, let alone > the energy/resources wasted to produce. Like I said, I haven't looked into > it. At $1 - $3 for half a liter of bottled water wouldn't the price of > filtration quickly pay for itself ? Depends on how much you drink. The small systems are in the $500 range. When I buy water its $1/bottle and I only do 50~75/year. I make a lot of tea and it is all with tap. > Shouldn't housing plans, whether for individual families or apartments, > consider water quality and, if necessary, include water filtration units in > the design? No, they should not, at least not only because the water might be poor. That is a business decision and something the builder has no need to do, unless they want to charge for it. The home buyer can have it build in if/when they want it, it adds VERY little to the price of the home. As for apartments that is a city responsibility, and the city should be held accountable for good water. > This may sound odd, but before I made the major investment of > buying a house I tasted the water. Not odd at all, I did the same when looking at houses that had wells. City water (here) I already knew the taste/quality. > Back then it was common practice to taste > the water before buying a house. Quality water was a very high priority. The > value of a house or apartment is, at least in part, a function of water > quality at the tap. Not today it is not. It is fairly meaningless short of "does the water work?" > There was (is still?) an image associated with bottled water . > it's somehow special and so are those that drink it. In view of what we now > know, this is B.S. No? Nope, plain water is for poor uncultured people. Now its all about flavored water. I admit that half the water I buy is a brand called Option. I pay $0.88 per bottle and only buy when its on sale. This is mostly for when I am on a trip or going to be working on roofs. > What if we decided to ensure good water at our taps > and better still, good water at the source? What if we took as much pride in > the water coming from our tap as we do in the view we have from our living > room or our back deck? We already do demand good water, it just is not enforced. > > I'm old enough to remember a day when my father would take us to a ball > game and complain about having to pay for parking at the stadium lot. > He'd say "Next thing, we'll be paying for water." We have always paid for water, even in your fathers time. The next time you go out to eat pay attention to the wait staff. They put out free glasses of water. You know why that is? Law. I forget the details but some time ago (100yrs?) people were being charged stupid amounts for a glass of water with a meal (IIRC had to do with hot weather). Law was passed so this is now free. > > Is it possible to filter water so that it is not only healthy, but > tastes good too? Yes it is. The problem is making it cheap. Go take a good look at your cities water plant from the head to the sewer ponds. Doing it en mass for a government (or related) body is not cheap. If you think you can do better then start up your own water company, nothing is stopping you but you. > Tom > > - Original Message - > From: "John Mullan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 1:22 PM > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Pepsi Forced to Admit It's Bottling Tap Water > > > > Some cities may, or may not, have just as clean of a water supply as that > > provided in the bottled water. But I have had water from the taps of a > > number of cities. Believe me, the taste of bottled water is much > > superior. > > If my tap water tasted as good, I might not buy so much bottled water. > > And > > most water treatment plants do not filter quite like these bottled water > > companies. What cities can do reverse osmosis on a city scale? > > > > My 2 cents. > > John > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[
Re: [Biofuel] Pepsi Forced to Admit It's Bottling Tap Water
On 8/4/07, Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Yup Coke, Pepsi, and some other large companies are evil polluting > >corporate entities. > >The link I posted is to a small (local) bottling company that is not evil. > > > >If city water is substandard then that needs dealt with, but what does > >that have to do with bottled water? The company is spending the money > >to clean, package, and distribute it. They should be allowed to do so. > >I also think they should be shut down immediately if there is > >contaminates in the water. I am not one for piddly fines, a 30 day > >shut down per offense, after 3 the company is disbanded. Same for city > >water, there is simply no reason for it other then laziness. > > > >Its like this collapsed bridge in MN. How far would 2 billion go for > >fixing all the bridges in the state? For providing education? For any > >number of other domestic programs, like wind & solar energy. > > > >As for the lacking minerals in bottled water, so what? As long as they > >do not lie about what IS in it, or is NOT in it, then they are fine. > >If the water does not fit your diet just do not buy it or supplement > >your diet. > > > >Am I missing something? > > They do lie. Did you read the whole article? Yes I did. I did NOT say the company from the article did not lie, in fact, i even pointed out that they and most (maybe all?) large bottled water companies are evil. I said the small, local bottling company was fairly decent. > > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg70602.html > [Biofuel] Pepsi Forced to Admit It's Bottling Tap Water > > Did you miss this bit? > > "The environmental impact of the country's obsession with bottled > water has been staggering. Each day an estimated 60 million plastic > water bottles are thrown away. Most are not recycled. The Pacific > Institute has estimated 20 million barrels of oil are used each year > to make the plastic for water bottles." I'm sorry that has nothing to do with drinking bottled water, that is a RECYCLING problem, and we have it with more then just bottled water. You need to separate the garbage of a product from the product it self, they are not the same issue. Wowies 60 million plastic bottles, now compare that to 15 BILLION soda bottles that do not get recycled. This jumping on bottled water is just a crap response to the elitist sheik "ooh its bottled water, i'm cool" > > Here's Blanding's article: > > http://www.alternet.org/story/43480/ > The Bottled Water Lie > By Michael Blanding, AlterNet > October 26, 2006 > > There's good info on water rip-offs in the list archives. The thing is, the companies depleting the aquifers and polluting, that is not a bottled water issue. Its a resource management issue, and some one dropped the ball. The fact that the company makes a profit on it doesn't mater at all. The fact that some city let them tap the resource and abuse it should be the issue. The fact that some of the product was contaminated should be the issue, not the fact that the buyers of the product do not recycle. FTFA: "The corporations that sell bottled water are depleting natural resources,.." So what? The act of PRODUCTION depletes something. Even your breathing depletes the air. The problem is not the depletion, its the lack of regulation of the RATE of depletion. "...jacking up prices,..." So what? That is the point of business, to charge as much as you can get. If people do not like the price, do not buy it. So far none of the people who buy the water do so because the bottle company took over or otherwise shut down the city water. THEY CHOOSE TO BUY IT, Do not come whining about the price. "...and lying when they tell you their water is purer..." Again, this is a regulation issue. Same as those cities that have polluted water, regulation is not being enforced. The companies (and many cities) are being lazy and the people who watch over them are too. Thats as bad as kids running in the street, whos at fault? The child who does not really "get it" or the lacking parent? I vote the missing parent. "..and tastes better than the stuff that comes out of the tap." This is a matter of opinion and has nothing to do with the real issues here and is only there to detract from the real issue, the lack of enforced regulation and companies who are being bad. If it were up to me they would get their toys taken away (IE, confiscate the bottling plant and the water resource they abused). > > Best > > Keith > > > >On 8/4/07, Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > It's misrepresentation and profiteering, and probably > > > misappropriation too. These companies are crooks, poisoners, and > > > worldwide water-robbers. Eg.: > > > > > > http://snipurl.com/1p5ux > > > CorpWatch > > > > > > http://snipurl.com/1p5v0 > > > CorpWatch > > > > > > http://snipurl.com/1p5v2 > > > CorpWatch > > > > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg63502.html > > > [Biofuel] Water: a commo
Re: [Biofuel] Pepsi Forced to Admit It's Bottling Tap Water
Hi Tom. Yes, I am sure it is possible to clean the water so it is healthy AND tastes good. I just don't know how. Yes, I could buy myself an R/O system for the home. I may yet. As you say, the cost of buying bottled water would pay for it. But I do not pay anywhere close to $1 - $3 for 1/2 liter. Average I pay $0.16 per 500ml by the 24-30 bottle case. I also pay $3.50 for the large water cooler type bottles per refill. And finally, I also agree that newer homes will, eventually, build with water filtration. Used to be here (Southern Ontario) that A/C was not the norm. Now it is. Pre-wired cable was not, now is. cheers. John -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Thomas Kelly Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 8:39 AM To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Pepsi Forced to Admit It's Bottling Tap Water John, I haven't researched water purifiers. Isn't it possible to purify water by reverse osmosis, or whatever, on a small scale so that people can have good drinking water in their own houses/apartments/places of work? Couldn't they then put it in durable (nalgene?) bottles for when they go out? At $1 - $3 for half a liter of bottled water wouldn't the price of filtration quickly pay for itself ? Shouldn't housing plans, whether for individual families or apartments, consider water quality and, if necessary, include water filtration units in the design? Is it possible to filter water so that it is not only healthy, but tastes good too? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Pepsi Forced to Admit It's....
Hey Jeromie, whats wrong with kids running in the streets? @all, my daugther as prez of the CSU,kikked Marriott out of Concordiacampus,the had an exclusivecontract with the University and charged.$can 18.00 for a pitcher of water at a speakers event.A little to greedy i guess! After a short campaign of bad puplicity against Marriott,the gready bastards had to leave campus! This example shows,things can be done on small scale,but with the notorious complicity of mainstreammedia it is not so easy to tackle big buissnes! Fritz___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Pepsi Forced to Admit It's....
On 8/4/07, Fritz Friesinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hey Jeromie, > whats wrong with kids running in the streets? Guess I should have said highway, thats what was in my mind. > > @all, > my daugther as prez of the CSU,kikked Marriott out of Concordiacampus,the > had an exclusivecontract with the University and charged.$can 18.00 for > a pitcher of water at a speakers event.A little to greedy i guess! After a > short campaign of bad puplicity against Marriott,the gready bastards had to > leave campus! > > This example shows,things can be done on small scale,but with the notorious > complicity of mainstreammedia it is not so easy to tackle big buissnes! Very true about the mainstream media. > > Fritz > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 > messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > > ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Speaking of bottled water
I just brought in a case of the Ozarka brand of water that I purchase yesterday. Emblazoned on the shrink wrap was the announcement that now 30% less plastic is used to make the bottles. -- Doug, N0LKK Kansas USA inc. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Pepsi Forced to Admit It's....
Fritz Friesinger wrote: > Hey Jeromie, > whats wrong with kids running in the streets? I'm guessing the potential to becoming road kill? Doug, N0LKK Kansas USA inc. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
