Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Cute Video with important messages
Kirk McLoren wrote: > > > Cute video, 9 min, with some important messages about consumption. > > http://www.alternet.org/blogs/workplace/73239/ > > This film was selected for the 2008 Sonoma Environmental Film Festival. It is a cute video. But I have some issues with it. Is this about big box vs local business? or is it just yet still another slam against WallMart? Near as I can tell, it's just more slamming of WallMart. That's just fine with me on one level. WallMart certainly has it coming. But on many other levels, I think it's mostly a waste of time, and here's some reasons why. The video isn't going to change anyone's point of view, I don't think. Folks who still accept the WallMart model, are under much more pressure from WallMart than they are from local businesses. This pressure is well understood by folks who have built up the consumer mindset over the last 150-200 years quite well. It's subliminal and quite powerful. The wallmart overlords (heh) understand it really well. Hence the push for the green paint, all the hype about skylighting, 'organic' groceries, etc. This (effective) approach at heading off 'doubts' in the mind of the 'consumer' works. Being of a skeptical (and yes, ofttimes cynical) mindset, noise from wallmart about organic sets off alarm bells with me. But not with 'joe public consumer'. Attacking WallMart outright, as this video does, just shuts 'joe public consumer' down, and closes out any discussion. 'Jpc' already has their mind made up, and attacks neatly sidestep the debate. Folks who understand how debates work, know what I mean. IMO, a better approach would have been a stronger 'sales pitch' of the local business, farmers market and a lot less pejorative coverage of the big box. Just from a point of debate, there is a lot of apples vs oranges in that video. I see this more and more in short videos of this sort. In my quite limited experience, there are 'broad scale' farmers who are really good folks, and small scale farmer's market types who are complete jerks. That said, the trend is quite clear. There is optimism, and there is pessimism. There is advocacy and there is criticism. For some reason, there seems to be a lot of focus on criticism before advocacy. I'm not sure that's the best approach, for very many reasons. I could nitpick this video, there are problems with the facts as presented. But so what? I'd rather advocate for small/local businesses and small/local growers/diaries/farms. End of the day, for a legion of reasons, the Big-Box approach is fundamentally broken, it won't work out in the long run and so, I'd say, pay them no more mind (or money :) Focus on what works, will work, and get on with it. The more you live this, the more you'll find friends/co-workers/acquaintances with questions. You can refer them to this list :) -- ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] We need these cars *#
Dear Kirk, I don't know whether this particular model is for me, but I am sure there will be many competitors over the next decade. The Zenn folks are to be congratulated. I think the U.S. balance of payments deficit would improve over time if we were to import large numbers of Zenns and less gasoline/diesel/crude. I think we need to be concerned with battery safety and the mine-to-landfill environmental impacts of the batteries. In my case, the electricity would come from wind and small hydro when parked at home; so I welcome the age of the electric car. Regards, Wendell >From: Kirk McLoren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Date: 2008/01/11 Fri AM 01:57:22 CST >To: biofuel >Subject: [Biofuel] We need these cars > > The ZENN (zero emissions no noise) car. Video, 10 min >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8M88k6Ipp3c > > > >- >Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. >-- next part -- >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: /pipermail/attachments/20080110/58248af2/attachment.html >___ >Biofuel mailing list >Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel > >Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > >Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): >http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] We need these cars
Kirk McLoren wrote: > The ZENN (zero emissions no noise) car. Video, 10 min > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8M88k6Ipp3c > I respectfully beg to differ. We need -fewer- cars, rather than more or equivalent numbers of quiet cars. -Kurt ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Cute Video with important messages
What exactly is so wrong with "Big Box Stores"? I can go to one store and buy most everything I need and granted some things I don't really need but want just the same. I don't have to drive 15 miles to five different locations to buy the things I can buy at one location. It is not just about convenience but about efficiency both in my time as well as resources. Think about the overall resources to get products to five different stores or five products to one store! It is not just about my efficiency but about the efficiency at which we use all resources. My local box store buys 90% of its fresh produce from local suppliers when it is available. So instead of driving 24 miles one way to the farmers market I can go less than 1 mile round trip to buy the very same produce. The local farmers here love Wal-Mart! Regards, David Chip Mefford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Kirk McLoren wrote: > > > Cute video, 9 min, with some important messages about consumption. > > http://www.alternet.org/blogs/workplace/73239/ > > This film was selected for the 2008 Sonoma Environmental Film Festival. It is a cute video. But I have some issues with it. Is this about big box vs local business? or is it just yet still another slam against WallMart? Near as I can tell, it's just more slamming of WallMart. That's just fine with me on one level. WallMart certainly has it coming. But on many other levels, I think it's mostly a waste of time, and here's some reasons why. The video isn't going to change anyone's point of view, I don't think. Folks who still accept the WallMart model, are under much more pressure from WallMart than they are from local businesses. This pressure is well understood by folks who have built up the consumer mindset over the last 150-200 years quite well. It's subliminal and quite powerful. The wallmart overlords (heh) understand it really well. Hence the push for the green paint, all the hype about skylighting, 'organic' groceries, etc. This (effective) approach at heading off 'doubts' in the mind of the 'consumer' works. Being of a skeptical (and yes, ofttimes cynical) mindset, noise from wallmart about organic sets off alarm bells with me. But not with 'joe public consumer'. Attacking WallMart outright, as this video does, just shuts 'joe public consumer' down, and closes out any discussion. 'Jpc' already has their mind made up, and attacks neatly sidestep the debate. Folks who understand how debates work, know what I mean. IMO, a better approach would have been a stronger 'sales pitch' of the local business, farmers market and a lot less pejorative coverage of the big box. Just from a point of debate, there is a lot of apples vs oranges in that video. I see this more and more in short videos of this sort. In my quite limited experience, there are 'broad scale' farmers who are really good folks, and small scale farmer's market types who are complete jerks. That said, the trend is quite clear. There is optimism, and there is pessimism. There is advocacy and there is criticism. For some reason, there seems to be a lot of focus on criticism before advocacy. I'm not sure that's the best approach, for very many reasons. I could nitpick this video, there are problems with the facts as presented. But so what? I'd rather advocate for small/local businesses and small/local growers/diaries/farms. End of the day, for a legion of reasons, the Big-Box approach is fundamentally broken, it won't work out in the long run and so, I'd say, pay them no more mind (or money :) Focus on what works, will work, and get on with it. The more you live this, the more you'll find friends/co-workers/acquaintances with questions. You can refer them to this list :) -- ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ----- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20080111/fd3f8701/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Cute Video with important messages
s and small/local growers/diaries/farms. > > > > End of the day, for a legion of reasons, the Big-Box approach > > is fundamentally broken, it won't work out in the long run > > and so, I'd say, pay them no more mind (or money :) Focus on what works, > > will work, and get on with it. The more you live this, the > > more you'll find friends/co-workers/acquaintances with questions. > > You can refer them to this list :) > > > > -- > > > > ___ > > Biofuel mailing list > > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 > > messages): > > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > > > > > > > - > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! > Search. > > -- next part -- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: /pipermail/attachments/20080111/fd3f8701/attachment.html > > ___ > > Biofuel mailing list > > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 > > messages): > > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > > ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Cute Video with important messages
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Re: [Biofuel] We need these cars *#
Hi all, there was a radioshow on CBC 1 on thursday afternoon talking about the new lowcost car from India!Cost here in Canada approx.2 300$can.So this stupid announcer said: People who can not afford a more expensive car should walk or take public transport! What a qualifiing statement (for his very own intelligence) And he went on whit statments that can Cars should have much more than a 30HP or so engine,you need more power on the road! Well my first car ,a LLoyd Alexander TS had a full 17HP and run top 125Kmh! And further the guy went... we dont need those cheep cars the gonne excellerate the pollution level ! Fritz - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 9:51 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] We need these cars *# Dear Kirk, I don't know whether this particular model is for me, but I am sure there will be many competitors over the next decade. The Zenn folks are to be congratulated. I think the U.S. balance of payments deficit would improve over time if we were to import large numbers of Zenns and less gasoline/diesel/crude. I think we need to be concerned with battery safety and the mine-to-landfill environmental impacts of the batteries. In my case, the electricity would come from wind and small hydro when parked at home; so I welcome the age of the electric car. Regards, Wendell >From: Kirk McLoren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Date: 2008/01/11 Fri AM 01:57:22 CST >To: biofuel >Subject: [Biofuel] We need these cars > > The ZENN (zero emissions no noise) car. Video, 10 min >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8M88k6Ipp3c > > > >- >Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. >-- next part -- >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: /pipermail/attachments/20080110/58248af2/attachment.html >___ >Biofuel mailing list >Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel > >Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > >Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): >http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20080111/f695cb01/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Fwd: Good news for food security
View this letter as a web page January 8, 2008 Good news for food security Dear Shan, Good news for the planet's biodiversity, people's food security and the right of farmers to save seeds. In a blow to biotech agribusiness, the U.S. Patent Office has upheld a challenge by the Public Patent Foundation and invalidated four of Monsanto's key patents for genetically engineered food plants. Monsanto's "ruthless persecutions (of farmers) have fundamentally changed farming," says PUBPAT. "The result has been nothing less than an assault on the foundations of farming practises and traditions that have endured for centuries in this country and millenia around the world, including one of the oldest, the right to save and replant crop seeds." PUBPAT filed the legal challenge after Monsanto forced Saskatchewan farmers Percy and Louise Schmeiser to destroy all the seeds they were saving for the following year because, against their wishes, some Monsanto-patented GMO seeds had spread from neighbouring farms into their fields and seed supply. For more information, see article by Helke Ferrie in the December 2007 Monitor of the Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives. And on a futher sweet note, Percy and Louise Schmeiser were awarded the 2007 Right Livelihood Award (sometimes called the "Alternative Nobel Prize") for "their courage in defending biodiversity and farmers' rights, and challenging the environmental and moral perversity of current interpretations of patent laws." The Canadian farm couple, said the Jury, had given the world a wake-up call about the dangers to farmers and biodiversity everywhere from the growing dominance and market aggression of companies such as Monsanto engaged in the genetic engineering of crops. (www.rightlivelihood.org) Meanwhile, Monsanto holds a patent in Canada for Terminator seed technology, which causes seeds to become sterile after one harvest. If you haven't already done so, please send your letter to Prime Minister Harper calling for a ban on Terminator technology. And please ask all your friends to do the same. Thank you! In solidarity, Kathleen, Peggy, Pauline and Becky for RightOnCanada.ca RightOnCanada.ca is a project of the Rideau Institute. For information, please contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hope Building 63 Sparks St., Suite 608 Ottawa, ON K1P 5A6 Canada Tel. 613-565-4994 Fax. 613-565-7720 www.rideauinstitute.ca If you received this newsletter through a friend, please consider becoming a subscriber. The Rideau Institute is a public interest research organization federally incorporated as a not-for-profit organization with Industry Canada under the Canada Corporations Act. Unfortunately, donations to the Rideau Institute are not tax deductible. Unsubscribe from all mailings from Rideau Institute. Modify your profile and subscription preferences. - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20080111/05cf2e06/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
