Re: Re: [biofuel] glycerin distillaton
Thanks Ray Barryt - Original Message - From: Ray Hough To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 5:00 AM Subject: Re: Re: [biofuel] glycerin distillaton Torr is about the same as mm. of Hg pressure. 760 is one atmosphere. If you set up a simple still it will distill at 290 C. Hook up a vacuum pump to lower the pressure and it will distill at lower temperatures. Ray. At 6/17/01 9:20:00 PM, you wrote: >Martin, >What is 760 torr etc? I haven't got a clue what that means. > >Barryt > - Original Message - > From: Martin Klingensmith > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2001 10:22 PM > Subject: Re: [biofuel] glycerin distillaton > > > 760 torr, 290 degrees C > 20 torr, 182 degrees C > .0025 torr, 50 degrees C > This is the data I could find, I am assuming it would > be quite difficult to do, you would need a good vacuum > pump and a whole lot of heat energy. > -Martin Klingensmith > > --- anton and federica <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > can anyone help me find a table of temperature to > > pressure in order to > > figure out what temp I might use to distill > > glycerin? > > Has anyone tried it? > > anton > > > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. > http://buzz.yahoo.com/ > >Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > >Enter to Win! > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html >Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. >To unsubscribe, send an email to: >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Ray in Atlanta, GA "most people occasionally stumble over the truth, but most pick themselves up and continue on as if nothing had ever happened" Winston Churchill Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] glycerin distillaton
Thanks Steve for the info. Barryt - Original Message - From: steve spence To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 10:34 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] glycerin distillaton An older unit of pressure is the Torr ( 1 Torr = 1 mmHg ). One atmosphere is ca. 760 Torr ( i.e. 1 Torr = 133.3 Pa ). Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: "Barryt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 7:20 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] glycerin distillaton > Martin, > What is 760 torr etc? I haven't got a clue what that means. > > Barryt > - Original Message - > From: Martin Klingensmith > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2001 10:22 PM > Subject: Re: [biofuel] glycerin distillaton > > > 760 torr, 290 degrees C > 20 torr, 182 degrees C > .0025 torr, 50 degrees C > This is the data I could find, I am assuming it would > be quite difficult to do, you would need a good vacuum > pump and a whole lot of heat energy. > -Martin Klingensmith > > --- anton and federica <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > can anyone help me find a table of temperature to > > pressure in order to > > figure out what temp I might use to distill > > glycerin? > > Has anyone tried it? > > anton > > > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. > http://buzz.yahoo.com/ > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > Enter to Win! > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] glycerin distillaton
Martin, What is 760 torr etc? I haven't got a clue what that means. Barryt - Original Message - From: Martin Klingensmith To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2001 10:22 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] glycerin distillaton 760 torr, 290 degrees C 20 torr, 182 degrees C .0025 torr, 50 degrees C This is the data I could find, I am assuming it would be quite difficult to do, you would need a good vacuum pump and a whole lot of heat energy. -Martin Klingensmith --- anton and federica <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > can anyone help me find a table of temperature to > pressure in order to > figure out what temp I might use to distill > glycerin? > Has anyone tried it? > anton > __ Do You Yahoo!? Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. http://buzz.yahoo.com/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Enter to Win! Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Methanol _Storage regulations Sydney Aust.
Paul, Thanks for your advice. I was only fast-tracking. Reagrds Barryt. - Original Message - From: Paul Gobert To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 10:32 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Methanol _Storage regulations Sydney Aust. - Original Message - From: "Barryt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Are you aware of any storage limitation in suburban Sydney? > regards Barryt Barry its some twenty or so years since I lived in Sydney so I can't help you there. Moved to far north Queensland many years ago to escaped the rat-race. Paradise up here, no place to get rich but great lifestyle. Suggest you contact your local council, fire brigade,dangerous goods office etc. Regards Paul. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Methanol Availability - Australia
Thanks also Paul. Are you aware of any storage limitation in suburban Sydney? regards Barryt - Original Message - From: Paul Gobert To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 6:46 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Methanol Availability - Australia - Original Message - From: "Barryt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I live on the northern beaches of Sydney. Does anyone in the group have some methanol locations that would suit me. Try BP (Australia) they market the methanol I am using. BP Methanol Straight. Available in 20L and 200L drums, Not sure of current price but about $200.00 per 200L drum I think. Regards Paul Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Click for Details Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Methanol Availability - Vancouver
Thanks Ed Barryt - Original Message - From: Ed Beggs To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 1:44 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Methanol Availability - Vancouver Ask them for methyl hydrate. > From: "Barryt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 18:34:55 +1000 > To: > Subject: Re: [biofuel] Methanol Availability - Vancouver > > I live on the northern beaches of Sydney. Does anyone in the group have some > methanol locations that would suit me. I hve run a lot of chemical supliers > and get the same answer, "methanol?" > Barryt > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Methanol Availability - Vancouver
I live on the northern beaches of Sydney. Does anyone in the group have some methanol locations that would suit me. I hve run a lot of chemical supliers and get the same answer, "methanol?" Barryt - Original Message - From: Mike Brownstone To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 5:05 PM Subject: RE: [biofuel] Methanol Availability - Vancouver I pay the equivalent of US$2.00 for 99% methanol here in South Africa. Keep searching... > -Original Message- > From: Dave Morch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 8:48 PM > To: 'biofuel@yahoogroups.com' > Subject: [biofuel] Methanol Availability - Vancouver > > > Just checked with a place called Canada Colors, a chemical supplier on > Annacis Island, this was the first place I checked, and their response is > shown below. All prices in Canadian dollars. > > 163kg= approx. 163 litres > 163 x$1.51 = $246/drum + taxes > 45 US gallons > (3.785 litres/US gallon) > $3.65 (US$)/gallon, seems like a lot, compared to the other quotes I've > heard, plus you can pick it up for that price in a 4 litre jug (Methyl > Hydrate as it's called here) almost anywhere, ie. Walmart. > > I'll keep checking. I'll check with Methanex next, they actually > produce the > stuff. > > Here's the response: > > > Dear Sir/Madam, > > I was forwarded your request for a quotation on methanol based on > an annual > usage of 2 drums. > > Pricing is as follows: > > > Methanol (CCC code 597757) (163 kg/drum): $1.51/kg (based on a 2 drum > purchase) > > F.O.B. Vancouver, plus applicable taxes and drum deposits > > Should you be interested in pursuing this further a credit > application could > be forwarded to your attention such that an account could be set up. > Alternatively, payment could be made with a certified cheque. > > I trust this meets with your requirements but please contact me if you > require any further information either by e-mail or at 523-3256. > > Best Regards, > > > Ron > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Biodiesel in 10 minutes
I have read all this before and I still have no idea what Boocock and his group are actually doing other than faster waking biodiesel faster using a catalyst. Can anyone enlighten me please? Barryt - Original Message - From: NBT - E. Beggs To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2001 1:54 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Biodiesel in 10 minutes Co-solvent blending on its own...faster, not quite as fast as the final process, patented and now licensed from U of T to Biox... "Technology New Process Cuts Time, Costs Thanks to a new manufacturing process being developed by researchers at the University of Toronto, producing biodiesel-grade methyl esters from vegetable oils may become quicker and less costly. Researchers involved in the project say the new method speeds the manufacturing process and reduces both the construction and capital costs of biodiesel production facilities. Researchers under the guidance of Dave Boocock, professor and chairman of the Department of Chemical Engineering and Applied Chemistry at the University of Toronto, added an inert cosolvent to the base-catalyzed methylation of vegetable oils to speed the reaction time. "Before this discovery, it took anywhere from two to four hours to complete the biodiesel manufacturing process," Boocock says. "By adding an inert cosolvent, such as methyl t-butyl ether, to the process we produced methyl esters from vegetable oils in seven minutes." (So, not continuous at that point, but then they went further...) Though the process was shortened to seven minutes, the reaction still slowed at the end, Boocock explains. "We thought we may have been up against equilibrium limitations, but evidence pointed to other factors. Once we understood this, the problem was easy to solve," Boocock says. With the speed of the reaction, no actual reactor is required in an industrial plant. Esterification can now take place in the pipework and, therefore, the reaction becomes continuous. After the reaction, the cosolvent and excess methyl alcohol are completely removed and recycled. The research conducted by Boocock and his group also applies to acid-catalyzed processes when working with used vegetable oils containing considerable amounts of fatty acids. With the inert cosolvent, the process time is reduced from 70 hours to 10 hours. According to Boocock, this new development affects people interested in building biodiesel plants. "Because of the speed of the reaction, a reactor isn't required in a plant which saves on capital expenditures," he says. "Plus at the faster rate, a smaller facility can produce a large quantity of methyl esters." http://www.biodiesel.org/bio_reports/junbdreport.htm Ed B. - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 10:18 AM Subject: [biofuel] Biodiesel in 10 minutes > Hello, > > This Canadian company BIOX (http://www.bioxcorp.com) claims they can > make biodiesel in 10 minutes using additional ingredients. Does > anyone know any other possible process to speed the reaction like > this company? > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Why you should fit a MIL
Geoff, thanks for the tip. Did you say you just used toilet paper for the filter element? regards Barryt - Original Message - From: Geoff To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 9:55 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Why you should fit a MIL Barryt,I have used a Mil-Mac filter on my Landcruiser 2H diesel for about 10 years,not for oil,but fuel filtration.Replacement toilet rolls have been Bunzil 2 ply,though a friend has successfully used Lady Scott toilet rolls after peeling off a few layers to achieve a tight fit in the container.The idea was to clean up the cheap diesel BP were importing from Singapore,after a couple of weeks the toilet rolls were black indicating their effectiveness. You can contact the manufacturers at Mil-Mac[WA]PtyLtd,47 Cohn St,Carlisle,Western Australia. 6101.Phone0894721888 Fax94703207.I am sure they will be glad to supply you with further information >David, > I loved your information about the Mil-Mac bypass > filter. What you say about engine wear really makes sense. You said in a > previous email that it was an Australian product. I'm Australian and I > can't locate it. None of the people that I have spoken to are aware of > the Mil-Mac brand. I have looked on the web and couldn't find a Mil-Mac > site. Not in the phone book. Perhaps they are known here by another > name. Can you please give me more information. > >Barryt >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - Original Message - > From: David Reid > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2001 12:54 PM > Subject: [biofuel] Why you should fit a MIL > > > Why you should fit a MIL-MAC in addition to your standard Full Flow Oil > Filter > > Full Flow FilterMIL-MAC > By-pass Oil Filter > > (Uses SURFACE filtration(Uses > DEPTH filtration > Uses perforated membranes which can Universally > recognized as the most > be damaged or clogged up with efficient > method. > large > particles.Uses > full depth filtration which only > >allows thoroughly cleaned oil to > >come out the other side. > Membrane only 1/32" (=0.8mm) or less Filter material > 4" (100mm +) or > in > thickness. more > in thickness. > >130 x more surface filtration.__ > (Uses no additional > filtering.(Works in addition to the > standard > >factory full flow filter. > (Designed to pass all the volume of oil in(Designed to > thoroughly filter only 10% > 1 minute or > under. volume in the > same time. > (Only traps large > particles. (Traps all particles. > (At very best removes particles only(At very > best removes all particles as > as low as 10 micron. (nominal rating) low as 0.1 > micron and all above. > >(100 times better than any full flow). > (At best removes particles 15 micron(At best > removes the majority of > and above. (nominal > rating)particles between 0.1 and 1 micron > >and all above 1 micron. > >(150 times at best, to 15 times better ). > (Realistically removes particles > 25(Realistically removes all particles > micron and above and has difficulty above 1 > micron. (absolute) > removing those under. (Still nominal(still 25 > times better at worst and > rating although a few are absolute). 10 times > better at very worst)._ > (Can become clogged up and fail to (Can also > become clogged up at surface > operate properly if oil is exceptionally if oil is > exceptionally dirty but continues to > dirty. > operate as surface contamination is > >pushed a small way into the filter and will > >normally last its full allotted mileage span > >with no difficulty. > (If fully clogged up or in cold weather (If fully > clogged up switches over to full > open
[biofuel] Re : Filters
David,
Thanks for the emails. I will study them over the weekend. The
one thing that I didn't understand until I got the Jpegs was one difference
between the differnt models were the number of filter elements they contain.
Looks very interesting.
Regards
Barryt
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[biofuel] Re: Filters
David, I was reading your specs for the Mil-Mac filter element. Do you use the same filter for fuel as well as oil? What are the demensions of the element? I dive a toyota 4wd diesel with standard fuel filter element in the metal canaster used by toyota, mitsubishi and daihatsu diesels. Can I make a Mil-Mac filter element fit in one of those? Regards Barryt Also John I have had a good look and I can't find a Mil-Mac web site. I also looked in the online phone book and I can't find an Australian Company called Mil-Mac. the might use another name. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Why you should fit a MIL
David, I loved your information about the Mil-Mac bypass filter. What you say about engine wear really makes sense. You said in a previous email that it was an Australian product. I'm Australian and I can't locate it. None of the people that I have spoken to are aware of the Mil-Mac brand. I have looked on the web and couldn't find a Mil-Mac site. Not in the phone book. Perhaps they are known here by another name. Can you please give me more information. Barryt [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: David Reid To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2001 12:54 PM Subject: [biofuel] Why you should fit a MIL Why you should fit a MIL-MAC in addition to your standard Full Flow Oil Filter Full Flow FilterMIL-MAC By-pass Oil Filter (Uses SURFACE filtration(Uses DEPTH filtration Uses perforated membranes which can Universally recognized as the most be damaged or clogged up with efficient method. large particles. Uses full depth filtration which only allows thoroughly cleaned oil to come out the other side. Membrane only 1/32" (=0.8mm) or less Filter material 4" (100mm +) or in thickness. more in thickness. 130 x more surface filtration.__ (Uses no additional filtering.(Works in addition to the standard factory full flow filter. (Designed to pass all the volume of oil in(Designed to thoroughly filter only 10% 1 minute or under. volume in the same time. (Only traps large particles. (Traps all particles. (At very best removes particles only(At very best removes all particles as as low as 10 micron. (nominal rating) low as 0.1 micron and all above. (100 times better than any full flow). (At best removes particles 15 micron(At best removes the majority of and above. (nominal rating)particles between 0.1 and 1 micron and all above 1 micron. (150 times at best, to 15 times better ). (Realistically removes particles 25(Realistically removes all particles micron and above and has difficulty above 1 micron. (absolute) removing those under. (Still nominal(still 25 times better at worst and rating although a few are absolute). 10 times better at very worst)._ (Can become clogged up and fail to (Can also become clogged up at surface operate properly if oil is exceptionally if oil is exceptionally dirty but continues to dirty. operate as surface contamination is pushed a small way into the filter and will normally last its full allotted mileage span with no difficulty. (If fully clogged up or in cold weather (If fully clogged up switches over to full opens a by-pass valve that allows oil to flow filter so oil continues to be filtered at pass on the basis that dirty oil is better all times even if inefficiently. than no oil at all. This invariably causes While operational even if only partially still damage and can drastically reduce removes all particles. normal expected engine life.___ (Does not remove the vast majority of (Removes all
Re: [biofuel] Information required
Thanks Keith for the info. I will checkout the BAA ASAP. As I said to Hanns, biodiesel is not big news here in the press. It was said on the report concerning the Newcastle Council's entry into biodiesel that if people were thinking of mass biodiesel production then the federal government would consider sticking on the same tax as petrodiesel and gas. Sort of takes the shine off being environmentally friendly doesn't it? regards Barryt - Original Message - From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 3:10 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Information requires > Hello Barry > > Do you know of BAA? > > The Biodiesel Association of Australia has been established "to > promote and build a viable and ecologically sustainable biodiesel > industry in Australia". Will offer supplies of biodiesel for > registered members. FAQ, what-is, news & press, standards, documents, > getting it, making it, events, and more. > http://biodiesel.vtrekker.com/ > > Best > > Keith Addison > Journey to Forever > Handmade Projects > Tokyo > http://journeytoforever.org/ > > > > >Hanns, > >I am not sure if you are referring to me or Steve Spence. If > >it's me then I live on the northern beaches of Sydney. Biodiesel is not an > >issue here at all. I have heard virtually nothing about it locally in the > >press. About a month ago the Newcastle City Council, north of Sydney, said > >they were going to run their garbage trucks on biodiesel. The cost savings > >were mooted but not the environmental advantages. I don't know what its > >like where you are. > > > >regards > >Barryt > > > >- Original Message - > >From: "Hanns B. Wetzel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: > >Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 8:49 PM > >Subject: RE: [biofuel] Information requires > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Information requires
Hanns,
I am not sure if you are referring to me or Steve Spence. If
it's me then I live on the northern beaches of Sydney. Biodiesel is not an
issue here at all. I have heard virtually nothing about it locally in the
press. About a month ago the Newcastle City Council, north of Sydney, said
they were going to run their garbage trucks on biodiesel. The cost savings
were mooted but not the environmental advantages. I don't know what its
like where you are.
regards
Barryt
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To:
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 8:49 PM
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> To Steve Spence,
>
> Try this web site and its many links. There you will probably find all you
> want http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html . I am also from Australia
and
> have similar interests. Are you from Brisbane by any chance.
>
> Hanns Wetzel
>
> -Original Message-
> From: steve spence [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, 15 May 2001 8:35 PM
> To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [biofuel] Information requires
>
>
> see below:
>
> Steve Spence
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> - Original Message -
> From: "Barryt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Biofuel Yahoo"
> Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 11:08 PM
> Subject: [biofuel] Information requires
>
>
> > Hi all,
> > I know you often hear this but I am a relatively new member
to
> the group who has been doing a lot of reading and thinking about
biodiesel.
> >
> > I have come to decision that I want to have a go at making biodiesel as
> the petro stuff here in Australia is about AUD $0.99 per litre ($3.75 per
Us
> gallon). The funny thing here is that petrodiesel is more expensive than
> gas (AUD $0.95) even though the refining process is less.
> >
> > There are some things I can't find in the literature and I hope the
group
> can give me some answers.. I live in a typical suburban home on a 1/4
acre
> block with neighbours on three side. I am looking at using 'used oil' to
> make biodiesel as I have access to used oil from a local shop. My
workshop
> is attached to my garage which is under my house.
> >
> > Will my wife and children hate me because of the brewing biodiesel
odours
> wafting through the house? Will my neighbours throw bricks??
>
> probably not :-)
> >
> > When I make the biodiesel how much glycerine per litre can I expect to
> produce?
>
> 10-15% or so
> >
> > How much biodiesel can I expect from one litre of used oil?
>
> 85-90% or so
>
> >
> > I read that someone fitted a catalytic converter to their car to get rid
> of the exhaust smell. Would the odours of burnt biodiesel be deemed, by
> some people, to be offensive?
>
> not compared to diesel. are they dieting? The cat is a good idea, reduces
> NOx
>
> >
> > The vehicle I drive is a 3.0 litre turbo diesel with a computer
controlled
> injector pump and engine management system. As far as retarding the
timing
> I can do none of that. It is all controlled by a little black box. Does
> anyone know if I am likely to experience problems with my vehicle
management
> system using biodiesel?
>
> None! wash well to remove methanol and soap.
>
> >
> >
> > Any input from the group would be greatly appreciated
> >
> > Barry Taylor
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Keith, Thanks for your word of encouragement. Barryt - Original Message - From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 7:16 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Information requires > Hello Barry > > >Hi all, > >I know you often hear this but I am a relatively new > >member to the group who has been doing a lot of reading and thinking > >about biodiesel. > > Doesn't make you any the less welcome. :-) > > >I have come to decision that I want to have a go at making biodiesel > >as the petro stuff here in Australia is about AUD $0.99 per litre > >($3.75 per Us gallon). The funny thing here is that petrodiesel is > >more expensive than gas (AUD $0.95) even though the refining process > >is less. > > I'm sure you'll find other reasons once you start doing it: fuel > independence, useful waste-recycling, cutting pollution, cutting > carbon emissions, generally making your eco-footprint that much > smaller and being a better citizen of Planet Earth. Do it, you'll > love it - biodiesel's lovely stuff. > > >There are some things I can't find in the literature and I hope the > >group can give me some answers.. I live in a typical suburban home > >on a 1/4 acre block with neighbours on three side. I am looking at > >using 'used oil' to make biodiesel as I have access to used oil from > >a local shop. My workshop is attached to my garage which is under > >my house. > > > >Will my wife and children hate me because of the brewing biodiesel > >odours wafting through the house? Will my neighbours throw bricks?? > > We used to make it in the kitchen, no problem. I know one guy who > makes it in his living room - threw out the TV and installed double > processors instead (stereo?), said it was more fun to watch. He lives > in an apartment. Someone else who lives in an apartment makes it in > his bathroom. This is all waste oil, including tallow. I don't think > you have much to worry about. > > >When I make the biodiesel how much glycerine per litre can I expect > >to produce? > > > >How much biodiesel can I expect from one litre of used oil? > > Have a look at Aleks Kac's Foolproof method: > http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_aleksnew.html > > >I read that someone fitted a catalytic converter to their car to get > >rid of the exhaust smell. Would the odours of burnt biodiesel be > >deemed, by some people, to be offensive? > > Check the picture on this page: > http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_nox.html > > It's not an offensive smell, and it doesn't give people headaches. If > you objected to biodiesel fumes as opposed to any kind of dinodiesel > fumes, then you'd be strange. But some folks is strange. > > > The vehicle I drive is a 3.0 litre turbo diesel with a computer > >controlled injector pump and engine management system. As far as > >retarding the timing I can do none of that. It is all controlled by > >a little black box. Does anyone know if I am likely to experience > >problems with my vehicle management system using biodiesel? > > Users with computer-controlled systems have reported no problems and > smoother running. But of course that depends on the quality of your > product. Mike Brownstone's recent message was apt: "Surprised, > though, at how much care one has to take to do a > proper and reliable job. My advise to anyone is to keep instruments clean > and don't hurry!!!" > > All best > > Keith Addison > Journey to Forever > Handmade Projects > Tokyo > http://journeytoforever.org/ > > > >Any input from the group would be greatly appreciated > > > >Barry Taylor > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Hi all, I know you often hear this but I am a relatively new member to the group who has been doing a lot of reading and thinking about biodiesel. I have come to decision that I want to have a go at making biodiesel as the petro stuff here in Australia is about AUD $0.99 per litre ($3.75 per Us gallon). The funny thing here is that petrodiesel is more expensive than gas (AUD $0.95) even though the refining process is less. There are some things I can't find in the literature and I hope the group can give me some answers.. I live in a typical suburban home on a 1/4 acre block with neighbours on three side. I am looking at using 'used oil' to make biodiesel as I have access to used oil from a local shop. My workshop is attached to my garage which is under my house. Will my wife and children hate me because of the brewing biodiesel odours wafting through the house? Will my neighbours throw bricks?? When I make the biodiesel how much glycerine per litre can I expect to produce? How much biodiesel can I expect from one litre of used oil? I read that someone fitted a catalytic converter to their car to get rid of the exhaust smell. Would the odours of burnt biodiesel be deemed, by some people, to be offensive? The vehicle I drive is a 3.0 litre turbo diesel with a computer controlled injector pump and engine management system. As far as retarding the timing I can do none of that. It is all controlled by a little black box. Does anyone know if I am likely to experience problems with my vehicle management system using biodiesel? Any input from the group would be greatly appreciated Barry Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
