Re: [Biofuel] EE Times: MIT claims 24/7 solar power - Eureka!

2008-08-03 Thread Martin Kemple

Replicating photosynthesis has long seemed the intuitively soundest  
approach to producing energy from the sun using water.

And yet, let's remember:  Though this has the distinct ring of the  
Silver Bullet that the world has been desperately looking for  
technologically, we all know that the critical challenges we face in  
living sustainably on this planet are more social/cultural/ 
existential/spiritual than they are technical.

Let us hope that this beautiful discovery serves to remind us  
collectively of our pathological addiction to unlimited cheap energy  
that fuels our insatiable appetite to consume the natural world,  
rather than to merely feed that addiction and bury us even deeper in  
denial about our rightful place in the web of life.

Our work now has even greater urgency, clarity and purpose.

-Martin K.


On Aug 1, 2008, at 7:35 PM, Peter Lu wrote:

 Great technology.  Here's the article from the MIT News Office:
 http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2008/oxygen-0731.html.

 Peter


 Quoting Alan Petrillo [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 http://www.eetimes.com/showArticle.jhtml? 
 articleID=209900956cid=NL_eet


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[Biofuel] Fwd: Happy new year BAHAR

2007-01-02 Thread martin roozenburg


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Re: [Biofuel] The End of the Rainbow: Florida County plans to vaporize landfill trash

2006-09-13 Thread Martin Kemple
Would you buy a used dump from these guys?
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Florida County plans to vaporize landfill trash
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 FORT PIERCE, Fla. (AP) - A Florida county has grand plans to ditch its dump, generate electricity and help build roads - all by vaporizing garbage at temperatures hotter than parts of the sun.

 The $425 million facility expected to be built in St. Lucie County will use lightning-like plasma arcs to turn trash into gas and rock-like material. It will be the first such plant in the nation operating on such a massive scale and the largest in the world.

 Supporters say the process is cleaner than traditional trash incineration, though skeptics question whether the technology can meet the lofty expectations.

 The 100,000-square-foot plant, slated to be operational in two years, is expected to vaporize 3,000 tons of garbage a day. County officials estimate their entire landfill - 4.3 million tons of trash collected since 1978 - will be gone in 18 years.

 No byproduct will go unused, according to Geoplasma, the Atlanta-based company building and paying for the plant.

 Synthetic, combustible gas produced in the process will be used to run turbines to create about 120 megawatts of electricity that will be sold back to the grid. The facility will operate on about a third of the power it generates, free from outside electricity.

 About 80,000 pounds of steam per day will be sold to a neighboring Tropicana Products Inc. facility to power the juice plant's turbines.

 Sludge from the county's wastewater treatment plant will be vaporized, and a material created from melted organic matter - up to 600 tons a day - will be hardened into slag, and sold for use in road and construction projects.

 This is sustainability in its truest and finest form, said Hilburn Hillestad, president of Geoplasma, a subsidiary of Jacoby Development Inc.

 For years, some waste-management facilities have been converting methane - created by rotting trash in landfills - to power. Others also burn trash to produce electricity.

 But experts say population growth will limit space available for future landfills.

 We've only got the size of the planet, said Richard Tedder, program administrator for the Florida Department of Environmental Protection's solid waste division. Because of all of the pressures of development, people don't want landfills. It's going to be harder and harder to site new landfills, and it's going to be harder for existing landfills to continue to expand.

 The plasma-arc gasification facility in St. Lucie County, on central Florida's Atlantic Coast, aims to solve that problem by eliminating the need for a landfill. Only two similar facilities are operating in the world - both in Japan - but are gasifying garbage on a much smaller scale.

 Up to eight plasma arc-equipped cupolas will vaporize trash year-round, nonstop. Garbage will be brought in on conveyor belts and dumped into the cylindrical cupolas where it falls into a zone of heat more than 10,000 degrees Fahrenheit.

 We didn't want to do it like everybody else, said Leo Cordeiro, the county's solid waste director. We knew there were better ways.

 No emissions are released during the closed-loop gasification, Geoplasma says. The only emissions will come from the synthetic gas-powered turbines that create electricity. Even that will be cleaner than burning coal or natural gas, experts say.

 Few other toxins will be generated, if any at all, Geoplasma says.

 But critics disagree.

 We've found projects similar to this being misrepresented all over the country, said Monica Wilson of the Global Alliance for Incinerator Alternatives.

 Wilson said there aren't enough studies yet to prove the company's claims that emissions will likely be less than from a standard natural-gas power plant.

 She also said other companies have tried to produce such results and failed. She cited two similar facilities run by different companies in Australia and Germany that closed after failing to meet emissions standards.

 I think this is the time for the residents of this county to start asking some tough questions, Wilson said.

 Bruce Parker, president and CEO of the Washington, D.C.-based National Solid Wastes Management Association, scoffs at the notion that plasma technology 

Re: [Biofuel] What the bleep -was galloway

2006-08-22 Thread Martin Kemple
Question:
Why didn't most Native Americans, for example, master the wheel for transportation on their own?
Why didn't the Chinese, for starters, invent internal combustion much earlier than the opportunists who did?
And why didn't the Arabs, for instance, harness electricity much sooner than the nitwits who stumbled onto it?
In other words: Why did it all take so dang long, and then all happen seemingly at once?
-Martin K.

On Aug 21, 2006, at 10:28 AM, Kirk McLoren wrote:

Political correctness is part of it I think.
Tesla was a maverick and Edison a mainstream guy.
When JP Morgan realized what Tesla was up to with his global wireless power scheme he pulled the rug out from under Tesla. Even though Tesla invented the induction motor he died poor and alone. I think another factor is are they foreign. Perhaps Bose ran afoul of that one. We used to make fun of the Russians because any invention of worth was credited to a Russian. I suspect we do the same thing. It is not apparent to someone within the culture as you hear no conflicting argument.
I remember reading a citation once about a paper on the theory of relativity. It was published by an Italian 2 years prior to Einsten (yes he was an immigrant - but- he was here). And as an amateur historian I know revisionism extends back through prehistory. Old anthro books have some fascinating archeology skipped by modern books. The giants excavated from  the Ohio River mounds for example. Hundreds of skeletons shipped to the Smithsonian to disappear. Shades of Indiana Jones.
 
I remember Bose by the way and saw photos of some of his apparatus. An original thinker. Brilliant person.
 
Kirk

Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Yes and Jagadis Chandra Bose was experimenting with milimeter waves ( 60 GHZ radio waves) back in the 1890's before Marconi and Otto Lilienthal was flying under control hundreds of times in the 1890's before the Wright Brothers..but history remembers only certain ones eh?  What's up with that?

Joe

Michael Redler wrote:
Tesla invented the modern world far more than Edison or Westinghouse or Marconi.
 
Damn! I didn't even know the modern world was invented.
 
- Redler (average person) 
 

Kirk McLoren [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I am not a fan of that Ramtha person. She is quite egotistical.
But I would not dismiss the whole film out of hand. Some interesting comments were made that are valid.
Remember these people tried to explain the unexplainable at least using the frame of reference of the man in the street.
Try explaining the federal reserve to the average person. They may surprise you with the difficulty they have with some far simpler concepts than what bleep was trying to address.
As for Ramtha remember people dont want magic, they demand it.
A successful club owner told me that. I think he is correct.
Modern science is full of showmanship and misrepresentation as well.
Edison gets credit for Tesla's work and so on. Tesla invented the modern world far more than Edison or Westinghouse or Marconi. What does the average person know though?
We arent a tenth as clever as we think we are.
 
Kirk

Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Here is a link to an entry in the skeptic's dictionary about the producer of that movie.  Have a read and do a check on the 'experts' that appeared in that movie to see what their peers have to say about them if you want to have a good laugh.

http://skepdic.com/channel.html

Too funny!
Joe

MK DuPree wrote:
Hi D...thank you.  Say, thank you too for alerting me way back when to the video What the Bleep Do We Know?  Outstanding.  Will be watching again.  Mike
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Let me also add this note.  I haven't checked the Pentagon site for this info.  Maybe someone else would care to research it and verify.  But here you. -- Mike DuPree
 
http://english.people.com.cn//200608/09/eng20060809_291225.html 
 
40,000 U.S. soldiers have

Re: [Biofuel] What the bleep -was galloway

2006-08-22 Thread Martin Kemple
Thanks Mike!
Intriguing perspective.

Though I'm preternaturally suspicious of our (Westerners') proclivity for exceptionalism (from the creed of Manifest Destiny on the one extreme, to its opposite - that we're inveterate predator-imperialists, on the other), it's a hard box to escape from.  
Adam Smith / E.F.  Schumacher - two sides of the came coin?
Know what I mean?
That is:  Not only are we moderns different, we're more different than anybody else has ever been.
What's up with that?
I recoil at the idea, yet can't get away from it.  Like a dark magnet   : o
-MK




On Aug 22, 2006, at 10:36 AM, Michael Redler wrote:

Martin,
 
Necessity can be broadly defined by what is popularly needed in a civilization. Since Necessity is the Mother of invention, it stands to reason that the path to any invention is paved by the civilization from which it came.
 
The civilizations you mentioned were content with technical developments that required only what was immediately available to them from their environment. In my opinion that's something which our ambitious culture hasn't yet been able to appreciate.
 
As E. F. Schuhmacher explained so effectively in his writing, the so called modern world and it's technology has often taken us in directions which does more harm than good.
 
It's presumptuous to quantify the progress of civilization by a hand full of great inventors and assume that they have made the world  a better place. I say this as someone who has two engineering degrees, a patent of my own and a wife who is a research scientist and a PhD. in Chemistry.
 
I admire all the people mentioned in this thread plus many who have yet to be mentioned. However, to put things in perspective, one needs to ask if the work of particular inventors are a measure of progress in a civilization (irrespective of politics):
 
Could any of these people have been able to do what they did without the work of their predecessors and the civilization from which they came? Should we be thankful for a passion which was beyond their control and grew from their own natural curiosity?
 
Tesla and Edison represent two fundamental ideologies and a broad range of innovative thinking. Tesla, a theorist, would have not made the progress he did, without the work of people born (as much as four hundred years) before him like Newton, Pascal, Fourier, etc. Edison's assets surrounded him every hour of every day. He was inspired by and built upon every technology to which he was exposed, representative of every inventor which came before him.
 
I think it's also important to mention that technology evolves with the priorities of our civilization. By that, I mean you can't judge people like Jonas Salk, J. Robert Oppenheimer, the Wright Brothers or Richard Gatling until you've also judged those who used their inventions and examined the inventor's justification for it's development.
 
If I boiled all this down to a single question, it would be:
 
If we were able to measure the success,progress,etc. of the modern world, who would get the credit?
 
Similar questions include:
 
How high is up?
 
How dark is gray?
 
-Redler
 

Martin Kemple [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Question:
Why didn't most Native Americans, for example, master the wheel for 
transportation on their own?
Why didn't the Chinese, for starters, invent internal combustion much
earlier than the opportunists who did?
And why didn't the Arabs, for instance, harness electricity much sooner
than the nitwits who stumbled onto it?
In other words: Why did it all take so dang long, and then all happen
seemingly at once?
-Martin K.

On Aug 21, 2006, at 10:28 AM, Kirk McLoren wrote:

> Political correctness is part of it I think.
> Tesla was a maverick and Edison a mainstream guy.
> When JP Morgan realized what Tesla was up to with his global wireless
> power scheme he pulled the rug out from under Tesla. Even though Tesla
> invented the induction motor he died poor and alone. I think another
> factor is are they foreign. Perhaps Bose ran afoul of that one. We
> used to make fun of the Russians because any invention of worth was
> credited to a Russian. I suspect we do the same thing. It is not
> apparent to someone within the culture as you hear no conflicting
> argument.
> I remember reading a citation once about a paper on the theory of 
> relativity. It was published by an Italian 2 years prior to Einsten
> (yes he was an immigrant - but- he was here). And as an amateur
> historian I know revisionism extends back through prehistory. Old
> anthro books have some fascinating archeology skipped by modern books.
> The giants excavated from the Ohio River mounds for example. Hundreds
> of skeletons shipped to the Smithsonian to disappear. Shades of 
> Indiana Jones.
>  
> I remember Bose by the way and saw photos of some of his apparatus. An
> original thinker. Brilliant person.
>  
> Kirk
>
> Joe Street wrote:
>&

Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Car runs on water and Other Nonsense/ YESmagazine.org

2006-05-21 Thread Martin Kemple
Check out YESmagazine.org

The Summer, '06 Issue, articles including:
-The Great Turning: From Empire to Earth Community by David Korten
-North Korea and Cuba: Peak Oil Preview
-The Perfect Economic Storm
-Indigenous Prophecies by John Mohawk-
-Neighborhoods Prepare for the Worst - and the Best

5000 years of Empire - Ready for a Change?

(Note: The Summer Issue is not yet on-line, I see, but all previous  
issues are.
  Surely Summer is just around the corner.)

It's not everything.  But nothing is everything.

-Martin K.


On May 21, 2006, at 3:38 AM, Keith Addison wrote:

 Hi Jesse, Mike

 This is surely the most depressing post I've ever seen.  Mike!  What
 sort of response were you thinking you'd get?  How can anyone
 respond to this.  No dream no agriculture no biodiesel no...  simple
 answer.  Leave!!  What are you there for?  Jesse

 Leave for where? Where is it not the case?

 On the other hand, where is it *only* the case?

 Abandon hope all ye who enter here is what it says on the Gates of
 Hell, and we're not there yet. I don't think we're even headed in
 that direction, appearances to the contrary.

 Did you read Mike's previous message Jesse, below?

 Keith


 From: MK DuPree [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
 Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 11:30:57 -0500
 To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Car runs on water and Other Nonsense


 Hi D and List...Looking forward to watching What The Bleep Do We
 Know?  Checked out the website, synopsis, and trailer.  Wow.  Thanks
 D.
Big Energy, Big Government, Big Religion, Big Bad...why do I
 feel so sad?  Just ain't no hope for the little guy...probably never
 was.  David vs Goliath just another fairy tale.  I HAVE A DREAM...
 Sorry pops, just a dream.  The mountain of insolvency just too Big
 too overcome.  Dang me, dang me, guess I'll take a rope and hang
 me.  No hope anywhere...oh!...build myself a biodiesel plant...but
 wait...my neighbor's doin same.  Last one to the WVO loses!!!
 Another dream defiled.  Where's my bicycle...gotta be a problem
 there too...frame made in China???  Go buy some food...too stupid,
 poor, lazy, or just simply born at the wrong time in the wrong place
 to grow my own, to say nothing of the locust invasion last year that
 kept me out of the fields and meant me needing to buy from who knows
 where on the planet...DANG ME  What a rotten Reality.  Oh, I
 see, not supposed to SEE...just dream...Imagine...and take four
 bullets in the back.  Lovely.  Good morning, WORLD!!! I LOVE YOU!!!
 PEACE!!! Hey, give me back the shirt off my back.  Ah well...takin
 my can of worms and goin fishin in that polluted water over
 there...and dream...with my gun by my side.  Mike DuPree


 - Original Message -
 From: D. Mindock mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
 Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 4:52 AM
 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Car runs on water

 Mike,
   Just want to add my 2 cents on this subject. If BlackLight, or
 anyone else, comes up
 with a solid system to create vast amounts of energy from
 water/hydrogen, it will be
 snatched up by Big Energy and then controlled by them. Not much will
 change. Our
 monthly energy bills won't go away.
 I think we can rely on the gov to allow Big Energy to parcel out
 energy to we wee folks and keep their
 profits in the 100's of billions of dollars per year. Congress
 writes the laws that Big Energy dictates.
 It is Big Energy that is gluttonous.
  The masses are bombarded with propaganda and hardly realize how
 they're all being manipulated.
 I am still waking up from this soup of B.S. we've been immersed in
 here in the U$A.
 Peace to all, D. Mindock   P.S. I agree that we are all
 inter-connected, more than we can imagine.
 I saw the movie What the Bleep Do We Know? a couple years ago, and
 nothing's been the same
 since.

 - Original Message -
 From: MK DuPree mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
 Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 12:28 PM
 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Car runs on water

 Thanks Bob...it's all new to me, and I'm thankful I have the List to
 present my inquiries.  PS You noted earlier and Joe Street agreed,
 In my mind, infinite energy is the worst case scenario I can think
 of- energy to spare, energy to drive the gluttonous behavior of
 everybody on the planet.  NO THANKS  LOL...well...yes, I kind of
 agree, because I know way too many fatheads who would take advantage
 of ulimited energy in just such a manner.  But then I also disagree.
 What WOULD unlimited energy mean for the planet and its' peoples???
 To me, that question seems to point to a question of human nature,
 which your statement indicates you believe is utterly without hope
 for a true social consciousness and conscience.  Maybe you disagree,
 but I'm just citing your words.  Contrarily, I witness something
 very different present.  Please hang with me for a moment while I
 try to explain.  Independence

[Biofuel] pricing

2006-05-06 Thread martin roozenburg
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Re: [Biofuel] Loose Change -- new video sheds new light on 9/11 - second thoughts

2006-04-11 Thread Martin Kemple
These are all good points, I.S.
For more skepticism on Loose Change, see: http://www.indybay.org/news/2005/12/1787340.php
and a number of websites cited therein.
I haven't sorted it all through yet, and even the above site could itself be a dupe.  Who knows?
Bottom line for me, though, is that we already have more than enough goods to send up Bush-Cheney. (And always remember to include them both together.  Surely, Cheney is Dr. Strangeglove incarnate.  Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if Deadeye Dick's got stock in the Impeach Bush brigade, if not masterminding it)
Make no mistake, Cheney's gotta go too; even moreso.  Bush is the stooge-monkey playing the accordion in front of the audience.
-Martin K.

On Apr 11, 2006, at 4:10 PM, I. S. wrote:

At the risk of generating a huge amount of hate mail, I have to point out that Bush's real crime was ignoring the FBI warnings as well as failing to act on the August 6th presidential daily briefing titled Osama Bin Ladin determined to strike inside US.  No warning to the airlines - why not?  If Bush deliberately allowed terrorists to make a strike on US soil, isn't that alone grounds for impeachment and charges of treason?
 
Think a little bit, folks! - if the CIA or some other government agency wanted to fake a terrorist attack on US soil, all they'd have to do is park four huge truck bombs under the WTC, scatter some Arab corpses around with Holy Jihad letters, and blow the thing up.  No need for elaborate bombs in the WTC, planes being hijacked, missles hitting the Pentagon, etc.  However, if fanatical Al Queda recruits motivated by US occupation of Saudi soil, the Israeli-Palestine conflict, and fundamentalist ideology wanted to do this, planes seem the only way they could have done it - with the deliberate blind eye of Bush to assist them, that is.
 
Loose Change in my opinion is a government produced disinformation film designed to produce deep divisions within the anti-war and impeach-bush movements; it is also designed to drive a wedge between 9/11 families and other protestors.  This is the essence of many government propaganda / disinformation campaigns.  Compare it to the NOVA special on the collapse of the twin towers, and JUDGE FOR YOURSELF!
 
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/wtc/
 
Now, I'm perfectly willing to admit I could be wrong - unlike the 9/11 Truth Networks, I hold that careful analysis and independent thinking are prerequisites for any investigation.  However, I think that the evidence show that Bush was forewarned about 9/11 and deliberately failed to act.  The question should be this: What did the President and his advisors know, and when did they know it?  I believe that the answer to that simple question would lead to the impeachment of Bush on charges of treason.
 
Peter I. Solem
 
Michael Redler [EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
I've done some research on events discussed in this video. The facts about Operation North Woods was in fact discussed in Noam Chomsky's book Hegemony or Survival. It has a lot of credible information.
 
In a documentary, it's absolutely critical to be accurate with ALL YOUR RESEARCH.
 
On July 28th, 1945, a B-25 crashed into the Empire State Building - NOT A B-52! I doubt that the B-52 was even in development in 1945.
 
S**T!!! That's frustrating!
 
Mike

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Re: [Biofuel] Grass Bioenergy

2006-04-01 Thread martin roozenburg

HI Bob,

The turf we looked at in Ireland is a very early stage of browncoal, and yes its a more solid state than hay or grass, greetings Martin- Original Message From: Bob Molloy [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Saturday, April 1, 2006 6:39:47 AMSubject: Re: [Biofuel] Grass Bioenergy


No Martin, turf as in sportsground surface may be pressed grass but turf a la the Emerald Isle (dunno 'bout Russia) is very definitely not.It is the early stages of coal, in fact it is a brown coal. To describe coal as pressed grass is stretching the category a bit, by a few millions years I'd guess.
Regards,
Bob.


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In Europe a lot of the energy plants use TURF which is of course pressed grass, (Ireland Russia) in Scandinavia they use in threre roastbedfurnace pellets comming from Holland made from waste; chopped plastic, textile, wood,paper, board, etc, (solid fuel) these pellets reach the calloric value of coal and are replacing the coal in the furnace.

greetings Martin Roozenburg- Original Message From: Don Wells [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Friday, March 31, 2006 7:26:16 AMSubject: Re: [Biofuel] Grass BioenergyTony Marzolino wrote:
Tony Marzolino [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

Does anyone have any additional information on grass as a bio-fuel and the conversion into pellets as the site below suggests? The site does not have much detail information (capital investment, process, market, etc).

It looks interesting!!! Any thoughts?

http://www.grassbioenergy.org/
The best thing about this Cornell web site is the 'Demonstration' page, which summarizes a set of experiments with burning grass pellets in various real stoves and furnaces. The issue involved is the fairly high ash content of cool season grass. Canadians have researched this subject of burning grass pellets. Do a Google search on "switchgrass pellet stoves canada" and you will find some of their web pages.You should be aware that grass is being burned in some coal-fired electric power plants. Up to 10% grass is burned with the coal. Currently a power plant near Ottumwa, Iowa is running a trial of this idea; they burn 2.5% switchgrass, in the form of big bales. I am aware of another power plant project which will use pellets. -Don Wells-Inline Attachment Follows-
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Re: [Biofuel] Grass Bioenergy

2006-03-31 Thread martin roozenburg

In Europe a lot of the energy plants use TURF which is of course pressed grass, (Ireland Russia) in Scandinavia they use in threre roastbedfurnace pellets comming from Holland made from waste; chopped plastic, textile, wood,paper, board, etc, (solid fuel) these pellets reach the calloric value of coal and are replacing the coal in the furnace.

greetings Martin Roozenburg- Original Message From: Don Wells [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Friday, March 31, 2006 7:26:16 AMSubject: Re: [Biofuel] Grass BioenergyTony Marzolino wrote:
Tony Marzolino [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

Does anyone have any additional information on grass as a bio-fuel and the conversion into pellets as the site below suggests? The site does not have much detail information (capital investment, process, market, etc).

It looks interesting!!! Any thoughts?

http://www.grassbioenergy.org/
The best thing about this Cornell web site is the 'Demonstration' page, which summarizes a set of experiments with burning grass pellets in various real stoves and furnaces. The issue involved is the fairly high ash content of cool season grass. Canadians have researched this subject of burning grass pellets. Do a Google search on "switchgrass pellet stoves canada" and you will find some of their web pages.You should be aware that grass is being burned in some coal-fired electric power plants. Up to 10% grass is burned with the coal. Currently a power plant near Ottumwa, Iowa is running a trial of this idea; they burn 2.5% switchgrass, in the form of big bales. I am aware of another power plant project which will use pellets. -Don Wells-Inline Attachment Follows-
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Re: [Biofuel] Global warming, oceans warming up, earth's core climate changes

2006-03-20 Thread Martin Kemple
You mean we can't blame the right-wing and SUV crowd anymore?



On Mar 20, 2006, at 12:26 PM, Mike McGinness wrote:

 I ran into something new (to me) recently on the topic of global
 warming, CO2 and the greenhouse gas issue that I decided to follow up  
 on
 today to see if there was anything to it.

 I have spent an entire day reading and searching the internet on the
 topic and here are the best links to what I found listed below.  But
 first let me try to briefly introduce and summarize the highlights of
 what I found.

 The main author claims that there is substantial evidence that recent
 fluctuations (increases) in the amount of heat released to the earth's
 oceans from the earths core has heated the oceans, raising their
 temperature and thus resulting in the rapid release of CO2 to the
 atmosphere (due to equilibrium shifts in CO2 solubility as a function  
 of
 ocean water temperature) as well as rapid losses of ice at both polar
 ice caps. They are claiming that thermodynamic analysis of the changes
 in temperature of the oceans and the atmosphere combined with the huge
 difference in heat capacity of the ocean (liquid water) versus the
 atmosphere (gases) suggest that the build up of CO2 in the atmosphere  
 is
 not the major cause of global warming but that the earths core is
 cyclically heating the oceans and forcing the oceans to release CO2 to
 the atmosphere. The difference in heat capacity between liquid water  
 and
 air is several orders of magnitude (liquid water has about 1000 times
 the heat capacity of air).

 A lot of their thermodynamic and chemical equilibrium arguments make a
 lot of sense to me. If they are correct and if their predictions of
 where the weather is headed as a result is also correct ( see climate
 and ice ages at  http://nov55.com/cli.html and super storms   at
 http://www.unknowncountry.com/edge/quickwatch/   and the Day after
 Tomorrow   http://www.cambodianonline.net/earth04014.htm ), we need to
 do a lot more than just reduce CO2 emissions.

 You can find the rest of the details in the links below.


 Theory on Hot Spot Rotating within the Earth at:
 http://nov55.com/thry.html

 Heat in the Earth's Core at:
 http://nov55.com/heat.html

 A page with a lot more interesting links:
 http://www.cambodianonline.net/homeearthchanges.htm

 Glacial Cycles and Astronomical Forcing at:
 http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/277/5323/215? 
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Re: [Biofuel] Party Hacks - The fix is in for 2008/ Do We Throw in the Towel or Fight Back?

2006-03-05 Thread Martin Kemple
Gang,
Clearly we are all doing both at the same time:  Trying to be as self-sufficient as possible in the basics - food, energy, etc. - to insulate ourselves insofar as we can from the mean upheavals of the fundamentalists (be they self-proclaiming  free marketeers or fear-mongering Armagedonists).   Meanwhile being an active part of a wider struggle for self-determination, in our own locales and countries,or through bio-fuel list-serves, whatever.
Don't we all want to live in a world in which more than a select few of us are able to lead relatively healthy lives while the rest of the planet roils?

Here in the woods of northern Vermont, yes  we are consciously gravitating toward a more subsistence lifestyle, but meanwhile try to stay active, active, active in our day jobs to make good change happen in the world beyond our little hamlets.
Like it or not, these times demand that we do it all, and do it right.

Don't give up on anything,

-Martin K.

(visualize impeachment)

On Mar 5, 2006, at 9:19 AM, Michael Redler wrote:

Kirk,
 
With all due respect, I think that dropping out is a mistake - especially at a time when the voice of public opinion has gained so much solidarity. Dropping out effectively says that you abstain from decisions which effect future generations and that someone will make themselves available to decide for you.
 
(IMO) The Social Contract (Jean Jacques Rousseau, 1712 - 1778) is a brilliant analysis of cause and effect in society. It helps define (redefine) rolls played in the development/destruction of civilization. I strongly encourage you to read it, if you haven't already.
 
Jean-Jacques Rousseau, in The Social Contract,propounds a doctrine which already had a long history in the struggle against the older view of the divine right of kings, namely, that government gets its authority over us by a willing consent on our part, not by the authorization of God. While Rousseau's famous opening line condemns the society of his day for its limiting of our natural spontaneity (indeed, its corruption of our natural goodness), he thinks that a good government can be justified in terms of the compromise to which each of us submits so as to gain civil liberty and the proprietorship of all he possesses. Rousseau even thinks that we mature as human beings in such a social setting, where we are not simply driven by our appetites and desires but become self-governing, self-disciplined beings.
 
http://www.wsu.edu:8001/~wldciv/world_civ_reader/world_civ_reader_2/rousseau.html
 
Mike
 

Kirk McLoren [EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
Huey kingfish Long had a colorful career as the governor of Louisiana. Things went a lot smoother for Huey after he installed an electrical voting machine. True story.
The corruption in his administration is legendary. I dont know if he was actually worse than most - but he got a lot of exposure. Vote fraud and Enron book keeping are the norm I am afraid. Welcome to the brave new world.
A kinder gentler society
 
I think historically it degrades until there is a revolution or total anarchy. I am trying to drop out and be self sufficient - and enable others to achieve same. The less you need from the system the freer you are.
 
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[Biofuel] WVO first-timer in Scotland

2006-02-20 Thread Martin Douglas




Morning Allan.
I utterly new to this topic. I have been aware of commercial BD and
read some stories of WVO use in the UK. We have an M reg Mondeo diesel
and we're keen to lower fuel costs whilst recycling restaurant oil and
try to clean up on our exhaust pipe throw-out. I'll be sourcing some
equipment over the next month or so, to start a test run in the garage.
Regards.
Martin

Hi Martin,

Thanks for
responding, I thought I was the
only one in Scotland to watch
these lists! How have you been getting on with making Biodiesel?
I have looked into it, but seem to come up against problems getting a
hold of
the chemicals required.

Do you use
your BD in your car?

Sorry for
the disjointed mail  its early
;-)

Thanks again,

Allan

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Any other
lister in Malaysia?

Hi Allan.
I live just outside Edinburgh (Tranent).
Regards.
Martin


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Re: [Biofuel] Any other lister in Malaysia?

2006-02-18 Thread Martin Douglas




Hi Allan.
I live just outside Edinburgh (Tranent).
Regards.
Martin

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Adding on from this, I would like to know if we have any people from
Scotland on the list

Cheers,

Allan

  
  
In line with what Josh just asked, is there anyone on this list from
Malaysia?

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Re: [Biofuel] Jatropha Curcas Where

2005-12-15 Thread martin roozenburg
Hi Ires,The India Jatropha is non edible, so the cake is not for animal flodder, the edible specie is comming from Costa Rica or Nicaragua and Mexico, can not help you with adresses. WE buy in India and crop it in Tanzania, the pressed cake and the nutshell we press in briquettes to replace the Charcoal which is the biggest de-forresting, and enviromental, killer fromthe woods in Africa and S.America.If you can not find edible, there is a chemical way to clean the non edible, you will find it on the internet.  greetings and a good and healthy new year for allMartin Roozenburglres1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
 Arden and all,Thank you for your suggestion but so far have been unable to locate any place that sells Jatropha seeds from Mexico, they all seem to be from India and am not sure if they are the toxic or non-toxic seeds.The mail system here is very slow. Running the best it does at 20 to 40Kbps, more than not it is in the lower sides. If any one can pint me to an address I would be most grateful.  Doug Try to Google for: Jatropha Curcas seeds.I got a couple hundred references as to where to purchase seeds.Good luckArden___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/  
	
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Re: [Biofuel] jatropha curcas

2005-12-05 Thread martin roozenburg
Jatropha is big in India, even Mercedes has a 9000 hectares plot with cultivated Jatropha, in Senegal is D1 from England with 20.000 hectares and in Tanzania there is Tanlapia with 18.000 hectares.Regards,  Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Iresearched it - it was feasible from a theoretical point of view - has anyone tried it?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hi IsabelI heard today that castor beans are an excellent source of biodiesel. Does anyone know if this is true?MarilynBiofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote:Note: Forwarded Email Message Below:Hi KeithIt seems as if you don't think it is a
 good idea to use Jatropha as a sourceto produce bio diesel from?When I originally posed the question I only received a few messages and noneof them was negative.Maybe I missed something!As I originally explained we know nothing about producing bio diesel andthat is why we posted our original questions and gave a brief explanationwhy we though it would be best to use jatropha.We have literally read every article we can find about producing bio dieseland to date have not found in our opinion any crop better suited for us toproduce bio diesel from, as a matter fact it seems from what we have readthat jatropha is the number one choice world wide to produce bio dieselfrom.You obviously have a lot of experience  knowledge regarding producing biodiesel as well as what to use to do so. Therefore If you believe jatropha
 isnot the way to go it would be greatly appreciated if you would say so  whyyou think so, because as I have said before we are asking for advice and ifyou have reasons to believe that jatropha is unsuitable I would like to knowabout them so as to enable us to make a fully enlightened decision.Kind regards.Isabel.___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/___Biofuel mailing
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Re: [Biofuel] jatropha curcas

2005-12-05 Thread martin roozenburg
No myth, there is a non-edible specie, growing in the tropics in the wild and a edible specie coming from S-America, both are used a lot, the advantage for the non toxic is that the cake can be used to feed the animals, while the toxic one is used for fertilising, and fuel in the form of brickets,greetings  martin Roozenburglres1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Maybe some one there can help here as well.  There are or seem to be two thoughts on the growing of Physic nut/Jatropha Curcas. One is that the Asian variety has a Carcinogenic property producing cells in skin tissue from contact with the plant or some parts thereof. The second is that the type found in Mexico does not have the
 above character.Is this amyth?Doug - Original Message - From: isabel taylor   To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org   Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 4:00 AM  Subject: [Biofuel] jatropha curcas  ***No virus was
 detected in the attachment no filenameNo virus was detected in the attachment no filenameNo virus was detected in the attachment no filenameYour mail has been scanned by InterScan.***-***  Hi KeithIt seems as if you don't think it is a good idea to use Jatropha as a source to produce bio diesel from?When I originally posed the question I only received a few messages and none of them was negative.Maybe I missed something!As I originally explained we know nothing about producing bio diesel and that is whywe posted our original questions and gave a brief explanation why we though it would be best to use jatropha.We have literally read every article we can find about producing bio diesel and to date have not found in our opinion any crop
 better suited for us to produce bio diesel from, as a matter fact it seems from what we have read that jatropha is the number one choice world wide to produce bio diesel from. You obviously have a lot of experience  knowledge regarding producing bio diesel as well as what to use to do so. Therefore If you believe jatropha is not the way to go it would be greatly appreciated if you would sayso  why you think so, because as I have said before we are asking foradvice and if youhave reasonsto believethat jatropha is unsuitable I would like to know about themso as to enable us to make a fully enlightened decision.   Kind regards.Isabel.  ___Biofuel mailing
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Re: [Biofuel] modified sine and sine wave inverters

2005-11-23 Thread Peter Martin
Hopefully you got a straight answer by now!

If you know what a sine wave is, then the modified one could be 
described as a series of varying amplitute pulses that approximate the 
shape of a sine wave.


Mike Weaver wrote:
 Cheap junky inverter vs. good inverter, not to put too fine a point on it...
 
 Chris lloyd wrote:
 
 
I'm not off grid but use modified sine wave. 
   


What do you mean by modified sine wave? Chris.



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Re: [Biofuel] modified sine and sine wave inverters

2005-11-23 Thread Peter Martin
Sorry, I didn't catch all the previous thread!

Any of you have experience with just having a modified sine wave 
powering computer equipment?

My immediate goal, if it doesn't cost too much!, is to have an inverter 
powered from the battery with a charger to the grid. Mainly to provide a 
kind of UPS. Eventually that will be expanded and hopefully get a solar 
panel to hook up.

I'm on the road all the time and not home, so when we get an outage, I'd 
like to be able to keep the computer up.


Mike Weaver wrote:
 I'm not off grid but use modified sine wave.  If I had it to do over I 
 would have bought the pure.
 
 Sten Armstrong wrote:
 
 
we started with a modified sine wave inverter with our first stand 
alone solar power system.  lost several appliances because of it, 
washing machines especially seemed to dislike it.  our new sine wave 
inverter cost a lot more but it works better and we haven't lost any 
appliances.

*/Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote:

Also look up the difference between modified sine wave and pure sine
wave inverters

Ken Riznyk wrote:

I would have to second the comments on the need for
deep cycle batteries and not regular automotive
batteries. You will also need to get a current
inverter that is not made for use in an automobile.
The inverters used with automobiles are designed to
shut off while you still have enough current in your
battery to start your car. This is a benefit if you
are out camping and don't want to totally discharge
your car battery, but not useful especially if you are
lugging batteries back and forth to charge them up.
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Re: [Biofuel] A new website

2005-10-28 Thread Peter Martin

If anyone has had difficulties loading a distro, I'd like to make a high 
recommendation for Ubuntu.

My company just gave us new Dell D610 laptops and the latest Ubuntu 
loaded right up! I'm very impressed with this distro! Formerly I had run 
run Debian on the old laptop. I currently run Mandrake 9.1 at home and 
will upgrade to Ubuntu when I get back.

My home PC is strictly Linux.


Doug Foskey wrote:
 Rafal,
  congratulations on being part of the Samba team! I am constantly amazed how 
 many Biodiesel list members are involved with Open Source software.
 
  A comment to others on Linux: there is now a move by the major Linux 
 developers to standardise the way that Linux is seen by programs, so the old 
 issues of differing packages for different flavours of Linux will then be a 
 thing of the past. The common Linux desktop is ever closer.
 
 regards Doug
 
 
 On Thursday 27 October 2005 9:20, Rafal Szczesniak wrote:
 
On Wed, Oct 26, 2005 at 03:08:26PM -0600, Zeke Yewdall wrote:

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Re: [Biofuel] A new website

2005-10-28 Thread Peter Martin

Actually, give Ubuntu a try. It's a no brainer. You can set it to dual 
boot real easy. And it works on my company's laptop that has the 
'latest' video drivers. I did have to hunt for a suitable distro since 
the current debian couldn't start X, but Ubuntu does!


Jason and Katie wrote:
 i would be more than happy to use Linux, but i dont have the time to sit
 down and LEARN it. all the coding options and different ways to configure
 it, i would definitely spend as much time repairing my mistakes as i would
 configuring my computer, and quite frankly, if i want to do that, i'd have
 to take a years vacation. it may even be completely idiot proof, but im just
 that special kind of idiot that manages to find a way to screw it up.
 
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Re: [Biofuel] Re: solar tracking devices

2005-06-17 Thread Peter Martin

I can neither confirm or deny ... sounds familiar :)

Generally, in the estimations I have made, and this would be for a home 
off-grid, the payback would be on the order of 15-20 years. Not cost 
effective in the short term, but certainly over the long term. Not to 
mention environmental benefits of one less dwelling needing fossil 
fueled electricity.


Now that was based on a 2200 sq. ft. home in Arizona when I lived there. 
You can imagine what that estimate would be where I'm now at, Seattle area.


Check out http://www.homepower.com for more sustainable energy ideas. 
I'm a subscriber to the magazine and trying to get some biodiesel started.


pete


Michael Redler wrote:
I've been researching the cost of solar power and whether or not it's 
cost effective to use a solar tracking device. There are not a lot of 
manufacturers of solar trackers. However, some of the calculations I've 
done would indicate that if the price were kept low enough, it would 
lower your total price for solar electricity.


Here is an example that I've been using based on a tracker that can 
accommodate a 1sq meter panel. I arbitrarily picked a cost of $1000.00 
for my first iteration:
 
$5.00 per watt x 1000 watts = $5000,00 per square meter (approximately) 
for PV panels. If I found a tracker which will hold a 1m sq panel for 
$1000.00 and I get a 30% panel output increase, (that's $5000.00 x .30 = 
$1500.00 worth of PV power for a $1000 investment) I think I would come 
out ahead.
 
Results:

Total cost for 1000 watts (without tracker) = $5000.00 or $5.00 per watt
Total cost for 1300 watts (with tracker) = $6000.00 or $4.62 per watt
The cost of the power gained from using a tracker = $1000.00/300 watts = 
$3.33 per watt


I think this may be relevant to those biofuelers who would prefer to 
process their fuel in a location where power from the grid or their 
homes may not be as convenient as a more autonomous source, using PV.


Even if the speculation is true and we see a reduction in PV power cost 
(projected $2.00 per watt), These cost calculations would still be 
fairly reasonable when one has limited space.


Can anyone confirm or correct these calculations?

Mike



References:

The 1000 watts is based on the estimated solar power radiated onto the 
Earth's surface per square meter.


http://physics.mtsu.edu/~klumpe/astr1030/lectures/Chapter%2009.pdf#search='1000%20Watts%20per%20square%20meter%20sun' page 
1


The price per Watt for PV panels is based on:

http://www.solarbuzz.com/ModulePrices.htm

30% is an estimated average increase in power output from a comparison 
between panels in a fixed position (30 degrees incline) and panels 
mounted to a tracker. 


http://www.wattsun.com/resources.html




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Re: [Biofuel] Re: solar tracking devices

2005-06-17 Thread Peter Martin
Now THAT'S interesting! Never heard it mentioned. Usually what I hear is 
 issues with the inverters, or batteries due to lack of proper 
maintenance. Something to keep in mind for sure!



Thompson, Mark L. (PNB RD) wrote:

There are long term issues with PV's. They will loose efficiency over
time. 
The PV's I have worked with, in the past, had an efficiency loss of
33%-50% in ten years. 
This value is dependant on temperature. The hotter they operate the
faster they degrade. 
Another main cause of failure was water intrusion to the interior of the
panel. 
These were on remote weather monitoring stations. Normally operated in

cold climates.


Mark 



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I can neither confirm or deny ... sounds familiar :)

Generally, in the estimations I have made, and this would be for a home 
off-grid, the payback would be on the order of 15-20 years. Not cost 
effective in the short term, but certainly over the long term. Not to 
mention environmental benefits of one less dwelling needing fossil 
fueled electricity.


Now that was based on a 2200 sq. ft. home in Arizona when I lived there.

You can imagine what that estimate would be where I'm now at, Seattle
area.

Check out http://www.homepower.com for more sustainable energy ideas. 
I'm a subscriber to the magazine and trying to get some biodiesel

started.

pete


Michael Redler wrote:


I've been researching the cost of solar power and whether or not it's
cost effective to use a solar tracking device. There are not a lot of 
manufacturers of solar trackers. However, some of the calculations


I've 

done would indicate that if the price were kept low enough, it would 
lower your total price for solar electricity.


Here is an example that I've been using based on a tracker that can
accommodate a 1sq meter panel. I arbitrarily picked a cost of $1000.00




for my first iteration:

$5.00 per watt x 1000 watts = $5000,00 per square meter 
(approximately)
for PV panels. If I found a tracker which will hold a 1m sq panel for 
$1000.00 and I get a 30% panel output increase, (that's $5000.00 x .30


= 


$1500.00 worth of PV power for a $1000 investment) I think I would


come 


out ahead.

Results:
Total cost for 1000 watts (without tracker) = $5000.00 or $5.00 per 
watt Total cost for 1300 watts (with tracker) = $6000.00 or $4.62 per 
watt The cost of the power gained from using a tracker = $1000.00/300 
watts = $3.33 per watt


I think this may be relevant to those biofuelers who would prefer to
process their fuel in a location where power from the grid or their 
homes may not be as convenient as a more autonomous source, using PV.


Even if the speculation is true and we see a reduction in PV power 
cost
(projected $2.00 per watt), These cost calculations would still be 
fairly reasonable when one has limited space.


Can anyone confirm or correct these calculations?

Mike



References:

The 1000 watts is based on the estimated solar power radiated onto the
Earth's surface per square meter.

http://physics.mtsu.edu/~klumpe/astr1030/lectures/Chapter%2009.pdf#sea
rch='1000%20Watts%20per%20square%20meter%20sun' page
1

The price per Watt for PV panels is based on:

http://www.solarbuzz.com/ModulePrices.htm

30% is an estimated average increase in power output from a comparison
between panels in a fixed position (30 degrees incline) and panels 
mounted to a tracker. 


http://www.wattsun.com/resources.html


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[Biofuel] Problems with the Biofuel list

2005-03-22 Thread Martin Klingensmith

I would like to apologize for the technical problems that have occured
with regard to the biofuel list and the JtF website over the past 2 years,
and the associated consequences that took place as a result. They are all
my fault, however; I would like to say that I did what I could with what
I had at my disposal (as much as that may be a cop-out).

If Keith would like to move his services to another facility I would
invite him to respond publicly and let everyone know.

I would not mind continuing to host the services as I have, due to the
generous donations the server has indeed been upgraded, despite the rocky
road everyone travelled to get to this point.

I would also invite everyone to continue their discussions as I feel
personally responsible for the decline in useful discussions. I felt that
I would be doing the Biofuel list community a favor by hosting it on an
alternative location rather than Yahoo site, but I suppose it is once
again not working well. I have undone all of the hard work that Keith has
put into the list trying to make it sustainable.

This message is a result of the recent technical deficiencies that have
occured as a result of my inability to effectively move all of the web
services from one server to another.

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Re: [Biofuel] CAFE vs ANWR

2005-03-21 Thread Peter Martin


consumers STILL spend the same $$ per week regardless of what you buy!

I've a TDI that gets 47mpg. Our driving per week expenditures are base 
on about 500 miles per week. A gas powered vehicle would need to get 
40mpg for us to spend the same on gas. Not too many around here that do!


I have a friend that lives in the NE US, and he too told me about the MA 
state ban on diesel sales! I wouldn't have beleived it otherwise! It's 
all politics and economics, aka oil companies.



John Hayes wrote:

John Freeman wrote:


1.   Why is diesel fuel so much more expensive in the US? In MA, it
costs at least 10% more, reducing its advantage. 



John, two quick comments:

a) over the course of a year, diesel is NOT more expensive than 
gasoline. Diesel is more in the winter (when demand for home heating oil 
is high) but much lower in the summer. Averaged over the year, diesel 
and gas are within a penny of each other per gallon.


b) Even if diesel were more, it would have to be a *lot* more to negate 
the advantage. Consider two VWs; if the gasoline version gets 30 mpg and 
the diesel gets 45 mpg, and gas were $2/gal, then the diesel would come 
out ahead until diesel exceeded $3/gal. Even if diesel were $.50 more 
all year round, you'd still be saving money. Unfortunately, 'Merkins 
ain't so good at math.


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Re: [Biofuel] Biofuel available in NY City

2005-03-14 Thread Martin Klingensmith

On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 17:54:47 -0500, Busyditch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hello list members
 I just got a reply from a local manufacturer of Biodiesel in the NY
 metropolitan area. They are called Environmental Alternatives, and theyre
 located in Brooklyn, NY. I was hoping to buy in 55 gal drums, as I do have a
 secure yard to store them in and all I will need is a drum pump. At the
 price quoted, I will surely be able to afford to end my dependency on fossil
 fuels.
  Here is the quote from the email
 we sell B100 in 55 gal drums at $2.50 a gallon + freight...
 
 Bob Lindenbaum
 Director of Probabilities

That sounds great, considering the price of dino-diesel is very close.
It couldn't hurt to check the quality though:
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_vehicle.html#quality

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[Biofuel] server maintenance

2005-03-11 Thread Martin Klingensmith

Due to upgrades, the mailing lists, websites, and IRC  may not be
available for a short time. I will send another message when
everything is working correctly.
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[Biofuel] testing

2005-03-11 Thread Martin Klingensmith


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Re: [Biofuel] Soap aerated concrete

2005-02-18 Thread Martin K



Keith Addison wrote:

Hi Martin


Hi Keith et al,
I used Perlite mixed with refractory cement in my aluminum casting 
furnace. The walls saw temperatures surpassing 2000F, it was working 
well. The mixture was 50/50, and the perlite is very light-weight, 
reducing the overall mass of the structure.

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Perlite gives very similar results to rice husk ash. Michael Allen and I 
discussed Perlite in this context when I made that page on rice husk 
ash. You used the same ratio of cement as I do with RHA, after trying it 
20 different ways in tests.


Regards

Keith



I wouldn't mind using RHA for such a thing, but I don't think I'm within 
1000 miles of a rice field.



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[Biofuel] Fwd: Honda, Nissan join suit against CA

2005-02-15 Thread Martin K


FWD:
Somehow I missed the news on Feb. 4 that Honda and
Nissan have joined the suit by other automakers
against California's clean-air laws.

You can send a letter to Honda easily from the web
site of the Union of Concerned Scientists:
http://www.ucsaction.org/action/index.asp?step=2item=22412

=
Sherry Boschert
President
San Francisco Electric Vehicle Association
415-681-7731
www.sfeaa.org
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Re: [Biofuel] Soap aerated concrete

2005-02-14 Thread Martin Klingensmith


I used Perlite mixed with refractory cement in my aluminum casting 
furnace. The walls saw temperatures surpassing 2000F, it was working 
well. The mixture was 50/50, and the perlite is very light-weight, 
reducing the overall mass of the structure.

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Keith Addison wrote:

Hi Doug

Nothing to do with soap, but do you know about this?

http://journeytoforever.org/at_woodstove-allen.html
Rice-husk stoves - Appropriate technology: Journey to Forever

This stuff is great! We're using it to build charcoal-burning stoves, 
it's an excellent insulator. Have a look at this picture:


http://journeytoforever.org/bflpics/rhahand2.jpg

Those coals are really hot!

Reduced strength, as you say, but we find that a mix of 1:3 up to 1:1 
cement to rice husk ash by weight is pretty strong, and since the RHA is 
much lighter than the cement, in fact you don't use a lot of cement. 
It's a bit like pumice or something. Doesn't weigh very much.


The rice husk burner works very well, but if you want to put it in a 
55-gal/200 litre oil drum, as we did, you'll have to make the cage 
slightly smaller.




Hi,
I am searching for information on making aerated concrete. For those
interested, basically foam is added to a mortar mix, and the mortar 
can be up

to double the quantity, with reduced strength, but added insulation.
This is achieved with an organic soap (from what I have found), but I was
wondering if anyone had seen info on using home made soap?

http://pelagic.wavyhill.xsmail.com/cellcrete_how.html is a site I 
found with

a home made processor

From my search on the web, protein hydrolisation seems to be the 
soap/additive
that is used for making the foam. I have not found any more info on 
how this

is made though.

Can anyone help me??

regards Doug

(I am interested in making tilt up concrete panels for a building.)



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Re: [Biofuel] re: Bill Clark and Acusorb Beads

2005-02-12 Thread Martin Klingensmith


Your message consisted of a single '?' character, and the entire reply 
(up to 12 replies deep) is 23KB. This means your signal to noise ratio 
was 1/23000, or about  .004% useful information.

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Andrew Cunningham wrote:


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Re: [Biofuel] Re:http://www.wnbiodiesel.com/

2005-02-11 Thread Martin K


Liter V8, diesel powered pick up truck into a far more environmentally 
friendly vehicle than a Toyota Prius Hybrid.

(they're marketing B20)

Well, that makes me wonder a bit, but marketing does run the world, 
doesn't it? You have to stretch the truth these days for anyone to 
believe you.


billy truman wrote:

any thoughts?



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[Biofuel] Donations and down-time

2005-02-06 Thread Martin Klingensmith

Running a web and email server is a tough business because it has to run
all the time (every day, every night ...)
The server running the Journey to Forever website, wwia.org, and the
Biofuel mailing list froze at about 8PM Saturday night (EST, my time). I
found out at about midnight, and worked (unsuccessfully) until 2:30 to
reboot the machine via an interface I have been trying to setup.
I got someone on the phone at about 1PM today (Sunday) to reboot the
machine. As you can tell, it is working now. Sorry for the down-time.

The server this runs on wouldn't be considered a server by people who know
what a server is, which brings me to the subject of donations.
I have received about $290 in donations which covers the cost of new hard
drives and a RAID controller for the server. (Not installed yet)

I have purchased (with help from Keith) a Soekris Engineering router
device, as well as new RAM for the machine. The RAM has increased the
stability a great amount.

Future improvements would include a new mainboard, processor(s), and power
supply. I don't foresee these happening any time soon though.

I would like to express my thanks to the people who donated money. I would
also like to let you know that I would have no problem paying for all of
the hardware myself if I was able to do so. My status is that I am a Jr in
school for an electrical engineering degree.

So what else is going on to make this thing work better?

Mel Riser has pledged to provide services via his business (webcrayon.com,
check it out) to mirror the website and hopefully the mailing list as
well. It is safe to say that his server is much more worthy of being
called a server.

Malcolm Maclure has pledged to get another mirror through his son in-law
(correct?) Michael, who runs catch22hosting.com (virtual servers)

Thanks again to everyone who donated, I believe it is a great cause even
though it isn't as tangible as a charity (that's a philosophical
discussion in itself).

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Re: [Biofuel] Automotive Black Box

2005-02-05 Thread Martin K


What if someone ran into you doing 100MPH. Would you want justice to be 
done (would your family?)
Forcing people to be responsible for their irresponsibility is 
refreshing to me.

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Greg Harbican wrote:

One of the reasons I like older vehicles.

Greg H.

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http://www.kotv.com/main/home/stories.asp?whichpage=1id=75424

Your car is most likely recording things about your driving and that
information can be used against you if you have a traffic accident.

Most people don't know their car has a black box. They are similar to ones
in airplanes, although they don't record voices, but they do record plenty
of other things that happen before a crash.



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Re: [Biofuel] Indura fabric

2005-01-25 Thread Martin K



Kim  Garth Travis wrote:
There are many laws that if you stand on your rights, you are soon 
unemployed.  This is especially true for immigrants.  The bosses expect 
us to be more grateful and they really get mad if we disturb the peace.

Bright Blessings,
Kim


Hi Kim,
I understand your concern, but with any corporation they anticipate such 
requests. If your husband gets fired due to requesting what is on the 
suit he wears, that is a major legal issue for the employer.
You don't have to ask the employer, ask the company that makes the 
product. They too are required to supply a MSDS for it if requested. You 
do not and should not have to give out anyone's name to do so.


I go to school having large engineering and chemistry programs. We 
routinely have safety seminars requiring that we know where to find MSDS 
information etc.


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Re: [Biofuel] Power for Moonshine City

2005-01-23 Thread Martin K



Party of Citizens wrote:

Since wind and water power are out, what would this list recommend for
Moonshine City, post-2015?

POC


What is Moonshine City, and why are wind and water power out?

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Re: [Biofuel] Power for Moonshine City

2005-01-23 Thread Martin K



Party of Citizens wrote:

Party of Citizens wrote:


Since wind and water power are out, what would this list recommend for
Moonshine City, post-2015?

POC


What is Moonshine City, and why are wind and water power out?



The base/colony President Bush wants built on the Moon post-2015.

Z


Nucular, of course...
Actually solar would be the best on the moon.

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Re: [Biofuel] Wind Turbines

2005-01-19 Thread Martin Klingensmith


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Greg Harbican wrote:

Don't want to rain on your parade, but, perpetual motion machines don't
exist.

Greg H.

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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Wind Turbines




While all these serious scientists are at work, the imagineering too
tyempting to pass up. We now have a solar-powered non-piloted airplane
which can stay aloft indefinitely. Imagine aircraft like this with wind
turbines built it and rugged enough to stay aloft in the jet stream and
follow its change in course as well.

POC



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Re: [Biofuel] Wind Turbines

2005-01-18 Thread Martin K



[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Kirk, in terms of capital cost per rated kilowatt of capacity, small wind
turbines in the 1-10 kilowatt range tend to be about three times as
expensive as large industrial turbines. The capital cost curve gets pretty
flat around 600 kilowatts of rated capacity. Larger turbines save
especially on labour costs or maintenance.

The number of makes of small turbines selling into the U.S. market, which
have a good track record for reliability and low maintenance costs, is
small (I would say 2). Unlike the situation in say Denmark, there is no
easy way for a prospective buyer to access this kind of information
Even the best samll wind turbines need regular attention.

I would say that *for people with reliable grid access*, a small wind
turbine needs to be justified on some other grounds than current
economics. Expected electricity prices and reliability of supply in the
future (given a declining supply of fossil fuels and especially of North
American natural gas) might be one such ground, for people in rural areas
with suitable wind energy resources. Investments in conservation and
efficiency in the use of electricity will generally be more profitable
than investments in alternative supply for most people, until their
electricity use is very frugal.

Doug Woodard
St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada


Can you justify it based on it's coolness factor, or the fact that it 
sits under your control, not a giant maniacal monopolistic conglomerate?


I think it would be great for every rural home to have wind power where 
possible. Even more interesting would be if rural areas could have a net 
electricity production to power village areas where wind isn't practical.


I don't know if the electrical grid could be entirely free of nuclear 
and non-renewable sources. The wind doesn't give warning when it will 
stop blowing, the sun goes down every night, and rivers slow in the summer.


Some fuel can come from agricultural sources, but I highly doubt enough 
of it could.


Conservation seems to be the 'best bet', but doesn't it stand to reason 
that this is about as hard as getting some people out of their giant 
vehicles?


Here is a good overview of energy consumed in the US from 1635 to 2000:
http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/aer/eh/frame.html

The charts are quite alarming, it doesn't look very sustainable at all.


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[Biofuel] test message - multiples

2005-01-17 Thread Martin K


to myself (NOT the list)
thank you.
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Re: [Biofuel] question regarding gas fired water heaters?

2005-01-16 Thread Martin Klingensmith




Hi Buck, Ray, Mike and all

its galsss and beat the heack out of it wiaht something like a piece 
of rebar, and why woulddd you want to take it out, as its inert, buck,


its same makeup as old ceramic cookkkpot, glasss over steel, any 
denting poppps the glass o but why would u buck,



Because it's going to get real hot!

I'd say leave the glass there. If it gets hot enough to slump, it will 
slump and separate, but it shouldn't cause any harm if it does so.


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Re: [Biofuel] Hydrogen Car Discussion on NPR - what about bio?

2005-01-15 Thread Martin Klingensmith



Patrick Campbell wrote:

On Fri, 14 Jan 2005, Phillip Wolfe wrote:



Join Ira and guests in this hour of Science Friday for
a look at environmentally friendly cars. Will a
hydrogen concept car unveiled this week ever hit the
showroom? Plus, the latest on the Huygens space probe,
headed toward Saturn's moon Titan...

http://www.sciencefriday.com/index.html



Ever notice that on NPR there is ALL talk about hybrid and even hyrodgen 
but NEVER talk about biodiesel?




Send them email and ask them why. I think it is because everyone knows 
about hybrids and everyone knows about hydrogen. Not everyone knows 
about biodiesel or what is being done with it.


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Re: [Biofuel] Why do my messages show the date 1969-12-31?

2005-01-13 Thread Martin K



Andrew Cunningham wrote:

I know it must have been one heck of a new years party but I wasn't alive yet.

Andy


Hi Andy,
I saw a normal date on this message. Where are you seeing that?

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Re: [Biofuel] Why do my messages show the date 1969-12-31?

2005-01-13 Thread Martin K


When life began.
No, really there is a variable in all machines that has the number of 
seconds since Jan 1, 1970. So if the data is '1969-12-31', your clock is 
set to zero. It usually gets set to zero in an email address if the 
person sending the message has an outdated email client, or an 
intermediary mail server has problems.


Many times the archive [link below] cannot decipher the date from 
someone's email, but I wrote it to set the date to the current day 
instead of setting it to 1969, resulting in it being less wrong.

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bob allen wrote:
is that date some sort of default value if a computer clock screws up?   
I see that date attached to mail to me every once in a while.



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Re: [Biofuel] Collapse was The Scent of Fear

2005-01-13 Thread Martin K


A common misconception among new list members is that the discussion 
only pertains to biofuels (who would have thought?) Anyway, read this 
message:


http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/32373/

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A Lawrence wrote:

once again, way off subject... cmon guys, there's other places for this
isn't there? My apologies to the group for not snipping but to make the
point...



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Re: [Biofuel] Efficiency and expanded possibilities.

2005-01-13 Thread Martin K


that methane can be conveted to syngas, which can then be converted to 
methanol through the critical process, or through a zinc-slurry process:


http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/30149/1/

direct conversion to methanol:
http://www.rps.psu.edu/sep98/methane.html

Methanol can be a good fuel as well, provided it comes from a renewable 
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Arttu, 
snip
Could methane, easily produced from rotting biomass, be used to make 
propane?  It's easier and safer to handle than methane in transportation 
use, that's why ask.  They do it in making polymers, but that's with 
extremely long hydrocarbon-chains.


Rotting biomass produces a mix of gasses, rather difficult to separate
and clean up the methane to a grade capable of polymerization. But it is
done, as methane from natural gas/fermentation is used not to make propane 

but other stuff, mainly methanol. Propane's main source are the world's 
wells of oil and gas. Much cheaper than synthesized propane (still). 

There's also no real reason why not to use methane as road vehicle fuel. 
If it's hard to liquefy, use it compressed, the technology, is here, 
the Swedes and Italians are doing it for ages. Along with half of Asia ... 


Google compogas for a package example.

Cheers, Aleks


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Re: [Biofuel] Collapse was The Scent of Fear

2005-01-13 Thread Martin Klingensmith


I let Brian's topic cop message through so I could point out that it 
is not up to third parties to be the moderator. Please read this message:

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Date: 2004-02-26
From: Keith Addison
Subject: [biofuel] PLEASE READ - MODERATOR'S MESSAGE
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Discussion on this list is free and OPEN. Biofuels is a broad-ranging
subject. It's an international list with a very diverse membership
from many different cultures and more than a hundred countries, and
their views of what is on- or off-topic vary widely. This is the
majority view here. Those who call for restrictions are a tiny
minority - if we did it their way the majority would be deprived.
Keeping the discussions open deprives nobody and prevents nothing -
directly on-topic biofuels discussions continue unhindered all the
while. If people have problems with clogged email inboxes, they
should learn how to use filters - essential to using any email lists,
not just this one. For more info see:
http://archive.nnytech.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/21700/

Some posts are definitely off-topic by any measure, but those posting
them know it and seldom stray too far. List members are mature people
and do not need nannying by topic-cops. Anyway, such digressions
often lead to discussion that's very much on-topic and would not
otherwise have arisen.

So:

NO TOPIC-COPS.

NO CALLS FOR RESTRICTED DISCUSSION.

These are list rules and they will be enforced.

Finally, regarding the two links at the bottom of every message you
receive, these:

Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
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Biofuels list archives:
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The first is the premier source of small-scale  biofuels information
on the Web. The second is a treasure house of  information on all
aspects of biofuels, especially biodiesel - it  contains 33,000
messages over the last for years, many of them from leaders in the
field worldwide. It is an independent archives, not Yahoo's, provided
and  maintained by list member Martin Klingensmith, with powerful,
fast  and efficient searching, and no ads.

If you have biofuels questions, go ahead and ask, if there's
something you want to discuss, nothing's stopping you, if you have
information to offer please do so.

Best wishes

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Re: [Biofuel] Ford Synus Diesel Urban concept car shows at Detroit

2005-01-12 Thread Martin K



Appal Energy wrote:

Martin,

Humorous and interesting is the comparison between the two.

The element is designed around freedom and the elements. Or so the 
Honda PR states.

http://world.honda.com/news/2003/4030416.html

The Synus is designed around security and preys upon customer fear. Or 
so the Ford PR suggests.

http://www.greencarcongress.com/2005/01/fordrsquos_syns.html

...looks like a little armored car, ...protective shutters, 
...bullet-resistant glass, ...vault-style, four-spoke spinner to 
open and close the rear door.


One would think that G. W.'s long lost cousin was running Ford based 
upon the fear premise wound into the design and press release


Someone should fire Ford's PR firm and do a little massaging of the clay 
model before casting the first die.


Todd Swearingen


The first thing I thought when I saw it is that it would be pefect for 
driveby shootings, out the short side window :)


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Re: [Biofuel] reactor lineing

2005-01-12 Thread Martin K


and things. You could try calling a soft-drink bottling company.
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Ray J wrote:
what about stainless steel drumsthey are made, but where does a 
person find them.??


Ray J



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Re: [Biofuel] Splenda/sucralose toxic

2005-01-11 Thread Martin K



Phillip Wolfe wrote:

Thanks Bob, (Professor Allen),

My adopted family from Honduras would only drink raw
organic milk, goats milk and believe it not even
donkey's milk!  They are very healthy individuals.
They do not like store bought milk but that is about
the only choice we have nowadays.

By the way, I know of one very good Dendrochronologist
professor researcher at your University.

Take care,

a biofuel reader


Better yet, don't drink any milk at all, us older (10) humans can't 
digest it correctly anyway (at least most of us can't)


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Re: [Biofuel] trimming replies

2005-01-11 Thread Martin K



[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I thought this list required participants to include the entire original post 
when replying.

Mikem



Martin wrote:

**Please trim your replies! **

To make the messages easier to read, and to make the list digest 
readable at all. If you reply, please leave only the relevant 
information in addition to your message.




Include the relevant parts of the conversation in your reply so people 
know what you're referring to. There's no need to include 5 replies at 
the bottom of your email.


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Re: [Biofuel] Ford Synus Diesel Urban concept car shows at Detroit

2005-01-11 Thread Martin K



Appal Energy wrote:
Take a look at the back end of the car. One 2-5 mph crash and you'd lose 
a $2,000 door and rimple the rear quarter panels for another several 
thousand dollars in damage.


This thing should have a separate bumper, tailgate like a pickup and 
hatch like a pickup truck canopy to be practical to all but the autobody 
business.


Todd Swearingen


If I had to speculate I'd say it'll end up looking like a Honda Element 
if it gets manufactured.


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Re: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset

2005-01-08 Thread Martin K



Jai Haissman wrote:

Thanks for the reply Martin!

We are trying to scale the batteries and inverter for maximum 
efficiency. I will investigate the inverter options further if 48v 
battery charging is more efficient. You mention that battery 
inefficiency isn't that bad if charge/discharge is done at sane rates. 
Can you elaborate on this? We expect about 5-10Kw/day use. Perhaps the 
number of batteries will affect the rate of charge. We do not intend to 
run 12v loads off this system, so it seems to follow from your 
recommendation that 48v is most advisable to run.




You should have a charge controlling device on your battery pack. 
Batteries are mysterious devices, you most certainly don't want to just 
guess to see if they're charged correctly. By 'sane rates' I mean don't 
run 500 amp discharges too often, and don't charge them at that rate 
either, just common sense type stuff. I don't know how big the capacity 
of your batteries are either, so I can't really say.
This webpage will become very helpful if you would like to know how to 
preserve your batteries:

http://www.batteryfaq.org/

In my original email I said 15-30 feet from the house for the gen-set. 
You mention now that you aren't going to use any low voltage loads. If 
this is the case, you can move your battery pack to the same shed with 
your generator, but the batteries will last longer if they are kept at a 
constant temperature around 60-70 degrees F.
It is possible to keep a generator in a basement with the appropriate 
venting, though keeping the noise down would be difficult.


-What is the effect of emission reduction technologies backpressure on 
genset function (compression)? Is this a concern? Can anything be done?




If you use car or truck components on a generator there will be minimal 
back-pressure. The downside is that something such as a catalytic 
converter may not reach its ideal operating temperature.


-Another question: are gensets are less sensitive than auto engines to 
the unknowns associated with long term WVO use?


Depends on the gen-set but generally I would say it's about the same. 
Car engines may be more picky because of new injection technology, but 
in general I would say that they are also made more cheaply - this all 
depends on what engine your gen-set has.




-How should the power be conditioned coming into the house to protect 
computers and appliances?


If you purchase an inverter that costs you $2000 you will not need any 
extra protection, it will probably be better electricity than you get 
from your utility company.




Thanks in advance for any replies.
Jai Haissman



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[Biofuel] MODERATOR MESSAGE PLEASE READ

2005-01-08 Thread Martin K


Every once in a while people start to forget how they should send 
replies to the mailing list. For example, if you have a one-line reply 
to a message and you leave 4 replies below it, the signal to noise ratio 
is very low (BAD).


Therefore,

**Please trim your replies! **

To make the messages easier to read, and to make the list digest 
readable at all. If you reply, please leave only the relevant 
information in addition to your message.


I'll try to make a an example:

From: Mrs. Obvious
Subject: Re: Killing puppies is bad
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I concur.

Mr Obvious wrote:
 Killing puppies is bad! Killing puppies is bad! Killing puppies is bad!
 Killing puppies is bad! Killing puppies is bad! Killing puppies is bad!
 Killing puppies is good! Killing puppies is good!
 Killing puppies is good! Killing puppies is good!
 Killing puppies is good! Killing puppies is good!
 Killing puppies is good! Killing puppies is good!
 Killing puppies is good! Killing puppies is good!
 Killing puppies is bad! Killing puppies is bad! Killing puppies is bad!
 Killing puppies is bad! Killing puppies is bad! Killing puppies is bad!
 Killing puppies is bad! Killing puppies is bad! Killing puppies is bad!
 Killing puppies is bad! Killing puppies is bad! Killing puppies is bad!
 Killing puppies is bad! Killing puppies is bad! Killing puppies is bad!
 Killing puppies is bad! Killing puppies is bad! Killing puppies is bad!
 Killing puppies is bad! Killing puppies is bad! Killing puppies is bad!
 Killing puppies is bad! Killing puppies is bad! Killing puppies is bad!
 Killing puppies is bad! Killing puppies is bad! Killing puppies is bad!
 Killing puppies is bad! Killing puppies is bad! Killing puppies is bad!
 Killing puppies is bad! Killing puppies is bad! Killing puppies is bad!
 Killing puppies is bad! Killing puppies is bad! Killing puppies is bad!
 Killing puppies is bad! Killing puppies is bad! Killing puppies is bad!
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As you can see, more information was in the reply than necessary, thus 
wasting a lot of time of the 2710 people that receive your messages. 
Here is what Mrs. Obvious should have replied:


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From: Mrs. Obvious
Subject: Re: Killing puppies is bad
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I concur!

Mr Obvious wrote:
 Killing puppies is bad!
 Killing puppies is good! Killing puppies is good!
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Re: [Biofuel] MODERATOR MESSAGE PLEASE READ

2005-01-08 Thread Martin K



Fred Finch wrote:

I mean...



On Sat, 8 Jan 2005 11:59:27 -0600, Fred Finch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Being one of the guilty I apologize for this error in posting.

fred



No need to apologize, it was just a friendly reminder. Everyone does it 
to some extent.


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Re: [Biofuel] Linux box

2005-01-03 Thread Martin Klingensmith




I had to work down at RobotGroup today as we are having to move out of our 
warehouse and had to move the Robot Brain and all the racks.

http://www.robotgroup.org

http://www.robotgroup.net

So I didn't get everything done I wanted to.

But will let you know tomorrow or the next day when the box is up.

Sorry it is taking a little longer.

mel

 

That's ok Mel, it doesn't bother me if it doesn't bother you that the 
email went to the list.
Besides, the robot stuff is pretty interesting to look at. And Richard 
Stallman came to visit, that's pretty cool.
Don't worry about getting it running immediately, if other things are 
more important that's ok.
For those of you who have no idea what we're talking about, Mel is 
helping out Journey to Forever by setting up a server to mirror the web 
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[Biofuel] test

2005-01-03 Thread Martin Klingensmith


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Re: [Biofuel] Windows warning

2004-12-28 Thread Martin Klingensmith




that was a smart move by Bill. The Redhat distro is OK but the SUSE distro has 
passed them.
 


I haven't used either in a long time though I would like to try SuSe again.



If you are wanting security, the BSD varients are the most secure.
 

I just installed FreeBSD on an old HD on my desktop machine so I can 
stay current with it. I agree that FreeBSD is more secure than Linux. 
(OpenBSD probably being the best?)




but who wants to surf and do word processing on a server platform?
 

I run Slackware 95% of the time on my desktop machine, though I must 
admit I don't do a lot of word processing




the real problem is OS freaks want to turn their OS into a religion.
 


Use the right tool for the job, as you say.



when the techno nerds quit hatin' the devil and lovin' god, they started 
worshippin' linus and hating Bill.

mel


You lost me, Mel :)
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Re: [Biofuel] Revisitng: On demand boiling water?

2004-12-27 Thread Martin K



Darryl McMahon wrote:
Well, my wife was good to me, and provided me with a Kill A Watt P3 power meter for 
Christmas.


Darryl,
Do you know how well it works for reactive loads? (motors, etc - power 
factor 1)



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Re: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset

2004-12-26 Thread Martin K



Jai Haissman wrote:

greetings... great thread!

I just found this after several weeks of election related decline. I am 
in NorCal, USA with an Elliot Systems genset ready to green our local 
neighborhood. It is a 19Kw/21Kw peak set for 3 households: 2 neighbors 
and ourselves. We intend to use B100 for engine longevity, but are 
considering WVO.


The reason we considered this is we cannot utilize the more efficient 
solar PV systems and rebates. We are committed to getting out of our 
oil/dirty power dependency. Given our situation on a hill with northern 
exposure, solar, hydro and wind are not an option. Therefore, it seems 
liquid sun is our best alternative.


We are trying to get grid tied using a solar system, since our local 
utility only recognizes solar, methane, wind, and hydro for net metering 
purposes and rebates. We are strategically setting up our genset as a 
backup system. This complicates matters, since instead of a direct 
intertie, we must employ batteries to support the generator's position. 
The minimum (inefficient given our solar exposure) solar setup is the 
basis for the intertie, but the genset, when run, will charge the same 
batteries as the solar, and I believe we can use the same inverter.


You mention that you battery pack is setup for 12v
This means that at 100 amps of charging you will only be loading the 
generator to 1.2kW. How many watt-hours is your battery pack?


There is an automatic disconnect to prevent loads from backcharging the 
powerlines when the utility is down. The batteries allow us to run the 
genset for several hours every other day, charging the batteries, then 
working off those until the next cycle. There are inherent 
inefficiencies: power loss in conversion from 120v to 12v batteries, 
then back again. 


If you are not running any 12v loads off of this battery pack, you 
should run at 48v to provide better efficiency in charging and the 
inverter. If this is not possible because you already have the inverter, 
all is not lost. It's just a way of getting better efficiency. Moving 
hundreds of amps around at 12v gets much more efficient if you switch to 
48v.


heat can be recycled in our hot water heater and
appleseed reactor. We would prefer not to use the batteries because of 
the inefficiencies, and led disposal issues, although led is recycled 
these days. Because of our local conditions, this is the only green 
option. The relative efficiency is still greater than anything our local 
utility is providing.




And your system won't go down if the utility does. Lead is recycled 
pretty well these days.
Batteries aren't all that inefficient if charged at sane rates and 
discharged at sane rates. They will also last a long time if kept at 
reasonable temperatures.



 A couple of unresolved questions:
- What distance should the genset be from our house for ventilation 
safety (regardless of prevailing winds)?


15-30 feet. Are you putting your batteries out here too?
If not: you may find that you absolutely need to run at a higher voltage 
if you want any sort of efficiency, or you will have to buy a large 
amount of 4/0 welding cable for your battery pack leads.
I'd put a car muffler on the exhaust and insulate the shed that you put 
it in, to make it as quiet as possible.


- Is there any exhaust technology yet out that can treat NOx/PCH 
content? I heard a catalytic converter was in development for this (very 
expensive last I heard).


You can run a catalytic converter on a diesel if it is running biodiesel 
or no-sulfur diesel (not available in the US)


Good luck, please keep us informed of what you do, and please ask any 
questions you have. A lot of people here have done things like this 
before and may have a lot of advice for your group.


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[Biofuel] test

2004-12-24 Thread Martin K


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[Biofuel] down-time today

2004-12-23 Thread Martin K


unavailable approx. 5 hours from this email for as short a time as possible.
The reasons are: RAM upgrade and the install of a new router.
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Re: [Biofuel] Silent Night, Deadly Night

2004-12-21 Thread Martin Klingensmith




Not only did our state department refuse extradition
of Warren Anderson they put an enormous amount of
political pressure on India to drop its suit and
investigation.
Ken 


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Re: [Biofuel] Supply List

2004-12-18 Thread Martin Klingensmith



Eric  Wendy wrote:

Hi Everyone!

Thanks to those who replied to my last e-mail. I appreciate the
encouragement!

Ive heard some rumors about the upcoming winter in the Northeasta huge
blizzard and black outs. I was wondering if someone could suggest the items
I might need to stock up on just in case we are snowed in for a week. Where
does one get a back up generator? Is that used for electrical appliances? I
know that its really common sense items like toilet paper, food, water,
candles, batteries with flashlights, extra bottle of prescription medicines.
But what happens when you cant heat your house or you have no electricity?
How do you protect your pipes from exploding?

Thanks!

Wendy Adams
Harrisburg, PA 






Hi Wendy,
You live in Harrisburg I take it?
You aren't going to get snowed in for a week, but it can't hurt to 
have things around that you need.
A generator is indeed used for electrical appliances such as the blower 
motors on gas/oil furnaces (You don't have electric heat I hope!)
	If you have electric heat you should replace it with natural gas or 
wood. That's not practical, I know, but you should consider getting a 
wood stove in the lowest level of your house. If the electricity goes 
out you can always burn some wood, no electricity required, no generator 
required, no gasoline required.
	If you decide to buy a generator, consider what your usage would be. 
What would you *have* to run if the electricity was out?
A few lights, the gas/oil furnace, a radio, a freezer? Take this into 
consideration if sizing a generator. Most households wouldn't need more 
than 5kW to run whatever is required. My parents' house in northern New 
York ran the essentials from a 2.5kW generator without much trouble. We 
get blizzards and ice storms up here, and have power outages every few 
years. In 1994 some areas didn't have electricity for over two weeks 
during the winter.


Winter is not bad at all in Harrisburg though, don't be frightened :)

p.s. If your have any heat at all your pipes shouldn't freeze - well, if 
your house has any insulation.

p.p.s. Where I'm from we get 200 inches of snowfall in a season.
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[Biofuel] test

2004-12-18 Thread Martin K


The mailing list was down for a few hours today sorry for the trouble.
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Re: [Biofuel] Martin's Job

2004-12-15 Thread Martin Klingensmith



Gustl Steiner-Zehender wrote:

Hallo Folks,

Wednesday, 15 December, 2004, 09:31:17, you wrote:

BN i HAVE HAD some bad experiences with paypal and refuse to use them
BN as well.
BN rbury

PayPal  has  acquired  a  bad  reputation  among  many and from what I
understand for good reason.

Also,  I  don't know how I managed not to include Keith and Journey To
Forever  in  the  mail.   Chalk  it  down  to lack of sleep and health
concerns at the moment.

I believe there are some two thousand odd members of the list which is
why I proposed a dollar a person but there are not two thousand people
posting.  As  in  the  rest of life some of us will apparently have to
carry  the  others  but  it  is  something  to  which  we  ought to be
accustomed.  There  have  been  many carrying me on and off for a long
time,  Keith  and  Martin not the least among them. It is high time we
lived up to what I at least consider our responsibilities.

As  there  has been no response yet from Martin or Keith I am assuming
this  is  OK  with  them  so anyone wanting to contribute to this very
worthy  effort  could  just  drop  me an email at my own address and I
would  respond  with  my mailing address. I will also keep a list with
the name, email and amount of each donor and give it to both Keith and
Martin  so  if  anyone wants to check up on me they could email either
Keith  or  Martin and would know that their donation had been properly
distributed  and  none kept by me or misappropriated in any way.  And,
if   it   would   be   possible  US  currency would be appreciated.  I
believe  that  would  be  the  easiest and most efficient path, but no
donation would be denied.

If  the  list  is  willing we can proceed.  I am hoping that there are
more  than  half  a dozen or so of us willing to help financially with
the  truly  worthy  effort.  It is such a small thing but with so much
potential.

Happy Happy,

Gustl


Hello Gustl,
Sorry I have not replied earlier I am in the middle of 'finals season' 
here at the university. Finals are end of semester tests, for those who 
may not know.


I have also been hesitant to reply because you did leave out Keith from 
your email. I realize both now and then that it was unintentional. We 
can't forget that Keith and Midori have been doing this a lot longer and 
have put significantly more hard labor into JtF than I have.

JtF is their life!

I agree with the generosity of you and the others, I would accept money 
only on the acceptance Keith has for the offer, and I assume the money 
would be split in some ratio between Keith and myself.


Any money received by myself would only be put toward making the 
hardware running the JtF web page and the biofuel mailing list more 
reliable. As a lot of you probably noticed, both the web page and the 
list were down for quite some time over the weekend. The infoarchive 
(wwia.org) has not been updated recently because of the possibility of 
the database causing the server to crash. I will remedy this problem 
over the coming weekend. I sincerely appreciate anyone's generosity.


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Re: [Biofuel] E-mail account security warning.

2004-12-13 Thread Martin K


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RE: [Biofuel] Fuel for nought ...?

2004-11-24 Thread martin williams



Do you know the potential ethanol yield from banana leaves? I am working in 
the Canary Islands and these are in abundance!



From: Tim Ferguson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 09:04:48 -0500

Hello Myles,

The article seems to present the misconception
that those of us who are conscientious about how
we live our lives and how that impacts our
environment and other people as saying biofuels
are the silver bullet to the worlds energy
problem. When in fact, if you'll search the
archives (http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/)
of this list alone, you'll discover that solutions
sought are much more encompassing. Renewable fuels
are very important but so is conservation and the
elimination of waste. Discussions here are about
how to best achieve a sustainable life for all
people and the environment. Starting with our own
lives. Lead by Example.

I don't know of any one renewable energy source
available today that can offset 100% of the fossil
fuel usage without itself creating a negative
impact on the people and/or environment. The big
picture is rather a combination of Biofuels,
Solar, Wind, Conservation, and the reviving of our
environment. A global collective mindset must be
reached to this effect in order to truly have the
necessary impact required. And this is not
impossible. Just as A journey of 1000 miles
begins with the first step... the changing of the
collective mindset changes with one personyou.

Stay on the list, stay informed, and change minds
through your example.

Best wishes,

Tim


Hi everyone,
 I'm pretty new to this group, and have been
following
most of what has been posited and discussed with
much
interest. However, I came across this article
today
and was made to feel a little uneasy.

I believe there is a lot of good (both
environmental
and humanitarian) to be achieved throught the use
(and
governmental support) of this sort of renewable
energy, and call upon those better informed than
myself to put my mind at ease.

Are we missing the bigger picture?

Yours,

Myles.




Fuel for nought

The adoption of biofuels would be a humanitarian
and
environmental disaster

George Monbiot
Tuesday November 23, 2004
The Guardian

If human beings were without sin, we would still
live...

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Re: [Biofuel] Vertical axis wind turbines Another approach to wind

2004-11-23 Thread Martin K


automatically. If this is not the case please let me know.

Kirk McLoren wrote:

The hours of operation aren't even close. The
comparison is invalid. 


Then there is the question of which bearings you refer
to. Wheel bearings? Totally different application from
 moving the foils. 


The applied loads in that machine are very large. That
makes the controls large which means expensive. 


The bottom line is mostly cost. I don't think that
machine has anything new to offer in that area. It is
new and novel. So what? Economics determine viability.

Since it uses rigid foils I'm not sure it even has
much advantage in the dead bird problem.

Still not enthused.

Kirk



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Elegance of design means simple. I would like to


see a
tally of wear points for this design plus fab costs.
I
doubt it will pencil. 

If the sealed grease bearings on my truck can be
made to last 10 years I
see no problem if it's built well enough. There is
no reason these days
to have short bearing life.  Chris.






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Re: [Biofuel] Vertical axis wind turbines Another approach to wind

2004-11-23 Thread Martin Klingensmith



automatic positioning requires controls 
be it a cam and a linkage or a motor and electronics.

It doesn't mean an operator is on duty.

Kirk


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I don't think it has controls, I think they are
positioned 
automatically. If this is not the case please let me

know.
   



I believe the 'controls' come down to the fact that the wind positions 
the flaps. There are no controls be they mechanical or electrical.


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Re: [Biofuel] Vertical axis wind turbines Another approach to wind

2004-11-22 Thread Martin K



Kirk McLoren wrote:

From the description:

Bearing little resemblance to the older prop type
models, the H.O.G. is 61 feet in diameter, weighing
30,000 pounds and approximately 26 feet high.


Not only huge but complex. I went to a drag design
only because I have a stupidly simple idea of how to
implement it. This HOG machine uses shaped blades and
positions them. Complex and lots of wear points.

I wish them luck as we all need cheap non polluting
power but I have serious doubts about this machine.

Elegance of design means simple. I would like to see a
tally of wear points for this design plus fab costs. I
doubt it will pencil.

Kirk



It has many wear points but it only turns from 1 to 6 RPM. It is huge 
and ugly though. The blades are positioned automatically I believe.


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Re: [Biofuel] Nuclear vs coal

2004-11-12 Thread Martin Klingensmith




and all we had to do was make special suncatchers, flat pieces of silicon the 
most abundant mineral on the planet, which over time became all the shade 
structures for the plant nurseries.

as more and more these roofs were applied and civilization grew, the people 
became energy independant and no longer needed global energy infrustructure.

soon all covers that gained sunlight all day long became energy absorbtion 
coverings.

and wars to support the oil and transportation systems became no more.

and the new eden was built and a fathers temple created

mel
 



It would be nice to know if solar cells are a viable alternative 
considering the mass amount of energy required to purify silicon (not to 
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RE: [Biofuel] Fwd: Information on Sawdust processing

2004-11-04 Thread martin williams



Hey! Guys be careful doing this because these materials have been found to 
be carcinogen! Always wear a dust mask!!




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Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Fwd: Information on Sawdust processing
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 10:51:16 +0200

Hello
I am new to the list (couple days).  So far I am reading and learning but I
have some experience in the wood processing sector.

I am not sure about the quality of the sawdust but I wouldn't dump it.  It
can be used for particle boards.  I have managed a project where we have
doen electrical work and automation for an entire particle board plant.  It
is not a cheap process but worth to look at .
Basic steps are:
- Dry the saw dust,
- Prepare the glue and mix with the saw dust
- Lay the sawdust on a conveyor belt
- Press the saw dust and heat it
- Cut into the dimensions you need.

If the saw dust is fine enough it can be used for making MDF (medium 
density

fiber board).  Which is a valuable product.

Hope this helps.

Regards

Burak Cedetas

 Hello Keith,
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 11:12 AM
 Subject: [Biofuel] Fwd: Information on Sawdust processing
 
 
   Greetings all
  
   I was sent this by an NGO in Sri Lanka. Any advice for them? They're
   not list members, but I'll forward any responses.
 
   Thanks!
 
   regards
  
   Keith
  
   
  
   From: National Development Foundation [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Subject: Information on Sawdust processing
   Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 23:13:12 +0600
  
   National Development Foundation
  
   63/2, Yahampath Mawatha, Piliyandala Road, Maharagama, Sri Lanka.
  
   Tele: +(94)-011-5526679 or +(94)-011-5522776 E-mail:
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   Monday, October 25, 2004,
  
   Journey to Forever Organisation.
  
   Dear Sir/Madam,
  
   Ours is a Non-governmental, non-profit making organisation devoted 
to

   development through self-help development programmes. We also
   carryout environmental protection programmes with local communities
   in Sri Lanka.
  
   Recently we were informed of a long-standing problem in a suburban
   city, due to sawdust. There are large numbers of timber mills,
   carpentry workshops and woodwork centers in the area. They produce
   tons and tons of saw dust and dump them into the nearby lake
   polluting the area. Recently the government has no other 
alternative,

   but found another dumping site and the sawdust is now dumped in this
   site spending large sums of money for transportation. For a
   developing country like ours this type of spending is unaffordable.
 
quality
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Re: [Biofuel] Battery chargers

2004-10-19 Thread Martin Klingensmith



Keith Addison wrote:

Greetings

I can't find my tall black pointed hat and the wild garlic seems to be 
out of season, so I'm completely incapable of figuring out anything 
about electrickery for myself, please excuse. Those among us who're 
better versed in the black arts than I will no doubt find this 
childishly simple, but not me.


Anyway, can you use a battery charger as a transformer? In other words, 
if I wanted to use a car windscreen wiper motor or windscreen washer 
pump or fuel pump or something, could I use a 12V battery charger to run 
it off the mains? Or would I have to use a battery and use the charger 
to keep the battery charged?


Thanks

Keith



You can without issue, so long as the current required by the device 
does not exceed the current rating of the battery charger.
If it does and you don't use the device continuously, you could attach a 
battery to the charger and the battery would handle the load for the 
time that the device is running, and the charger would charge the 
battery back up when removed. Beware that some battery chargers are 
'smart' and may not like powering a device that is not a battery. Also 
the 'dumb' chargers might overcharge a battery if connected all of the tiem.


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Re: Was Re: [Biofuel] Changing Government/Now ethanol

2004-10-09 Thread Martin Klingensmith

 Any diesel engine will run on kerosene. Now that
 diesel is $2.15 per gallon in the US I'm running
 kerosene in my Jetta diesel. $1.59 per gallon. It's
 illegal but I don't really care about that.


Do you know how the lubricity compares between the two?

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Re: [Biofuel] Deuterium: The Alternative Power Source

2004-10-04 Thread martin williams



In answer to the question am I Martin Williams or Juan Carlos, the truth is 
I have a friend (Juan Carlos) who shares my e-mail address because we have 
the same interests. He does not currently have an English e-mail address so 
I let him use mine.


Thank you



From: Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Deuterium: The Alternative Power Source
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 07:29:12 -0400

Wanna know if they are playing with your invention and trying to leave you 
out of the loop ? Call the Russian embassy and ask to speak to the attache 
:)
You'll know in a swift hurrry if they think your invention is worthy or 
not, but then you will most probably be in a pile of fertilizer too :)
Although, maybe not, as it could not be considered national secrets as 
they have not reached that conclusion and therefore you would not 
technically be selling secrets, but MI5 might not look at it that way.Then 
there is always the French that might want to have a look see also.


Luc
PS: The above should be viewed as humour and not counsel to do anything 
illegal.
- Original Message - From: Keith Addison 
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martin williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Hi!

I enjoy reading your e-mails. Are you a publisher? I have something 
interesting to tell you that will probably be a bit of a surprise. I n 
2001, I developed a theoretical model  for a neutrino beam source that 
would stop the nuclear bomb from reaching critical mass. Therefore no 
explosion! I sent these details to the British government but I received 
no real financial compensation for this project. I have heard that some 
tests are being conducted in secret underground bases but this might be a 
rumour. What should I do with this project to seek financial rewards? Any 
idea?


Thanks

Martin


Previously:


From: martin williams [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Business Plan
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 14:34:28 +0100

Hi!

My name is Juan Carlos from Tenerife and I recently tried to obtain a 
grant to produce the ethanol in Tenerife and the entire Canary Islands: 
The answer - no surprise to me (with a degree in chemistry!) At this 
present time we are not interested. I provided a full business plan but 
no-one gave my project consideration. Is there a special route I can 
pursue to encourage bio-fuel in Tenerife. I will look into EEC funding 
but I do not think I will get much help here either. Any advise?


Thank you


Pardon me for asking, but are you Martin Williams or Juan Carlos?

Best wishes

Keith


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Re: [Biofuel] How to read your attachments

2004-10-04 Thread Martin Klingensmith



bmolloy wrote:

A point of information for John Hayes, and anyone interested in sending
attachments. These can indeed be sent through the list. The list is set to
reject them and a notification to that effect will appear. When you receive
a message with such a notification all you need do is open the message in
the usual way then click on Forward. The attachment will then appear above
the subject line. Click and open as normal. The attachment can then be
read..
Bob.



Hello Bob,
I'm not sure if you're implying that you can indeed send attachments 
through to the list, but I urge you not to.


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Re: [Biofuel] Model fuel

2004-10-03 Thread Martin Klingensmith



Keith Addison wrote:



These are diesels. The glowplug motors (not diesels) run on methanol and 
a brew of other stuff, some of it not very nice. I don't know if you 
could substitute ethanol, but I think you'd need the other stuff anyway.


Best wishes

Keith



Nitromethane

No, it's not very nice, but you probably could use some ethanol instead 
of the methanol in the mix. Some hobby shops blend their own fuel, it 
may be worthwhile to ask around.


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RE: [Biofuel] Deuterium: The Alternative Power Source

2004-10-02 Thread martin williams



I enjoy reading your e-mails. Are you a publisher? I have something 
interesting to tell you that will probably be a bit of a surprise. I n 2001, 
I developed a theoretical model  for a neutrino beam source that would stop 
the nuclear bomb from reaching critical mass. Therefore no explosion! I sent 
these details to the British government but I received no real financial 
compensation for this project. I have heard that some tests are being 
conducted in secret underground bases but this might be a rumour. What 
should I do with this project to seek financial rewards? Any idea?


Thanks

Martin



From: Peggy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Deuterium: The Alternative Power Source
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 09:39:55 -0500

Thank you Robert for the collection/ storage summary on hydrogen.  I
also read your book info.  You are very good.  Maybe sometime you could
tell me off list about your publishing career. I seem to have too many
interests... Do most of your book buyers prefer a paper copy or the
e-copy?  Just curious  By the way, if anyone ever takes time to
enjoy a good book, you may want to peruse Robert's web site.  It also
gives a summary of his dedication to help save his world.  I'm sure that
we all have our little stories about things that changed our commitment
to be a positive link in making an environmental difference.

Best wishes,
Peggy

On Behalf Of robert luis rabello
 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Deuterium: The Alternative Power Source

Peggy wrote:

 Hello skeptics,

 snip Since the number one problem with hydrogen collection is the
 retention or storage process, then a collection system is a priority
in
 forwarding a hydrogen-based fuel.
Can anyone explain the collection (storage) design
 potential or any hydrogen collection/ storage design system?

... there are a few ways that hydrogen can be stored.  The first is as a
gas, either in low pressure containers, or high pressure cylinders.
Typically, a cylinder that supplies natural gas for a vehicle stores the
gas at roughly 34 Mega Pascals, or 340 atmospheres.  Hydrogen suffers
from
low energy density and only stores 1 / 3 the energy of an equivalent
volume of natural gas.  This means that a vehicle must carry more fuel
in multiple cylinders, store more fuel at higher pressure, or suffer
even shorter ranges than are typical of a battery EV.

Hydrogen can be liquefied and stored in a dewar.  This increases

energy density 100 fold, but also carries a significant energy
penalty, as liquefaction requires roughly 1 / 3 the energy content of
the fuel.

Hydrides are intermetallic compounds that store hydrogen in the
interstitial spaces between molecules, absorbing the gas when cool,
and releasing it when heated up.  These are intrinsically safe, as the
reaction is endothermic and will stop quite rapidly if heat is not
continuously supplied.  However, most hydrides are heavy, expensive,
prone to contamination and breakdown of the hydride particles after
cycling several thousand times.  This would require them to be
replaced periodically, adding to the cost of an already expensive
storage method.

Another way of storing hydrogen involves linking it to another

molecule.  Borohydrates have been proposed as an interesting solution
for this purpose.  Carbon atoms also bond with hydrogen quite nicely.
  God invented plants a long time ago that have been dutifully
stripping water molecules of their hydrogen and quietly bonding the
element with carbon from animal breath for as long as life has existed
on earth.  You, of course, already know this. :-)

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Re: [Biofuel] Business Plan

2004-09-30 Thread martin williams



My name is Juan Carlos from Tenerife and I recently tried to obtain a grant 
to produce the ethanol in Tenerife and the entire Canary Islands: The answer 
- no surprise to me (with a degree in chemistry!) At this present time we 
are not interested. I provided a full business plan but no-one gave my 
project consideration. Is there a special route I can pursue to encourage 
bio-fuel in Tenerife. I will look into EEC funding but I do not think I will 
get much help here either. Any advise?


Thank you


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On 2004-09-30 07.05, Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Snip..

 Hell. I'd like a '48 Rolls Royce. If anyone has one, would you please be 
so

 kind as to e-mail it to me?

 Todd Swearingen


Here you go Todd, please find attached a '48 roller with compliments.

Ooops sorry, forgot the group strips all attachments - shame ;-)

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Re: [Biofuel] Putting O2 to the air input DO NOT TRY IT!!!

2004-09-19 Thread Martin Klingensmith



Jeff wrote:

I have heard of truck drivers talk about getting propane in the air intake of 
their diesel engine. One driver I talk to told me of a time when this other 
truck driver smelled some propane and didn't think nothing of it. He went and 
turn off his engine as quick as he could. The other driver's engine started to 
over rev, without him in the cab. He went in the can and tried to turn the 
motor off. It wouldn't turn off. It continued to over rev and blew up the 
motor. I think that the same thing will happen with Oxygen. I don't think that 
there is any good way you can control it.

Jeff



I haven't been following this thread closely but propane injection is a 
very common modification. The driver you talked to may have been putting 
liquid propane in, causing much too much fuel at once. Anyway, my point 
is that many people use propane for increased power.


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Re: [Biofuel] Kerry preferred around World - Poll

2004-09-16 Thread Martin Klingensmith



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They can have him. Where do we send donations for the plane tickets?

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Since most of the world is more socialist than
democratic and does not like the US way of life in the
first place, of course they would want the candidate
that would be most destructive to the US. 


Just my opinion!
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Re: [Biofuel] Hurricane

2004-09-11 Thread Martin Klingensmith




i suspect that lots of Floridians are suddenly paying attention to the
scientists who have been saying for a decade that unless the
world cuts hydrocarbon emissions (think sign the Kyoto Accords
that are being rejected by Bush and Congress) there would be 
increasingly violent, unusual weather. the US citizens who are
4% of the people on earth generate more than a third of the 
world's emissions.   RossCannon
 



Ross,
Weather does not follow any specific pattern, occurences are 
interrelated but entirely random as to the frequency of intensity. The 
magnitude of a hurricane is directly related to water temperature where 
the hurricane is. The thing is that water temperatures have not risen 
enough to cause a change in hurricane intensities. Global warming is 
perhaps true, but temperatures have not risen enough [yet] to cause any 
significant weather changes.


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Re: [Biofuel] Hurricane

2004-09-11 Thread Martin Klingensmith




Hi Martin and everyone: But yet we hear of polar ice
caps melting... Here in california, the migration of
salmon altered..these are a few modest examples of
weather/environmental patterns changing related to
pollution. Everything is interconnected.
Ana
 



I didn't say it wasn't interconnected. Unless there is a way to prove 
that something is the cause for a problem, speculation doesn't 
necessarily help. I was referring specifically to hurricanes, not salmon 
or polar ice caps melting. I know there are environmental issues caused 
by humans, for sure there are. Every time there is a weather anomaly, 
someone yells about global warming without knowing the first thing about 
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Re: [Biofuel] Using an email discussion list

2004-09-11 Thread Martin Klingensmith





Phorum is good software, open source. The 5.07 beta is really powerful.

It allows lists such as this to have a web interface that arranges 
subjects and threads in a visually meaningful manner, yet retains full 
list functionality for those who prefer email. The integration is 
pretty seamless. Users choose what works best for them.


If this were a democracy, i would vote yes to having a web interface. 
Don't forget the many people who only have internet access at the 
library or cyber-cafe.


2 pesos from south of the equator...

andres


Hello Andres,
Making the decision to choose mailman was a difficult one. We did not know 
about Phorum when we made the decision, however; we were very worried about 
security at the time due to the fact that Yahoo! had proved to be very 
unreliable and insecure.
Mailman is use by hundreds of mailing lists and is known to be secure. 
Unfortunately we did not know anything about the security of alternatives that 
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Re: [biofuel] water purification

2004-09-06 Thread Martin Klingensmith

Hello Peggy,
I am interested in reading about the details of this system, do you have 
any patents or public papers I can read?
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Peggy wrote:
 Hello Keith,
 
 Our research group has invented a water-cleaning device that repeatedly
 demonstrates a five-log reduction in microbes in a continuous flow of
 water and theoretically should reduce toxic chemicals as well.  We break
 the water molecule into the hydroxyl radical and in the reformation, we
 produce the primary sanitizing elements know to health.  The final
 product is water pure and simple.  Microbes are obliterated and chemical
 bonds are broken.  It's similar to having lightning strike only it's
 within a protected chamber in small doses.  Among our next steps are
 utilizing earth-friendly energy sources to power the apparatus.  Well,
 again, as I was recently discussing with a list member, we need to work
 toward the positive.  There are individuals who are without political
 affiliations or wealth agendas that slowly work toward universal goals.
 Unfortunately we are only limited by time and money.  Enthusiasm,
 creativity, and technology are our assets.
 
 Peggy
 
 Peggy G Korth, President
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 Non-profit research and development for safe water, safe air, and safe
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Re: [biofuel] Old propane tanks

2004-08-30 Thread Martin Klingensmith

Adding an over-pressure release valve couldn't hurt I would say.
Labelling the tank as non-propane couldn't hurt either.
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 I have a possible source of propane tanks that have failed certification,
 and, might be able to get one or two at scrap prices.I know to fill
 them with water to force out any propane than may still be in them, so
 they don't explode when I go to cut/drill into them.I figure that if I
 can locate a 40 lb tank, that has failed certification, that it should
 make a processor that can handle about 20 gal at a time.

 Any advice as to converting them to a BioDiesel processor?

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Re: [biofuel] Chemistry of washing

2004-08-18 Thread Martin Klingensmith



Ken Provost wrote:
 on 8/18/04 5:42 AM, Teoman Naskali at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
When I wash my test batch, it creates a vaccum
in the container it is washed in. Obviously
some kind of chemical reaction takes place. What
could it be? And what does it absorb from the
air???
 
 
 Interesting -- I've never noticed that. My guess
 is that methanol is vaporizing out of the unwashed
 fuel before you seal the container, displacing air
 out of the headspace, and then dissolving in the
 wash water after the container is sealed.
 
 Nothing in the air would be taken up by the fuel
 quickly enough to explain it (O2 reacting with
 double bonds in unsaturated fatty acid chains
 would take days, for example). -K
 

Perhaps the air above the biodiesel is warm at first and cools after 
washing, contracting and creating a vacuum.


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Re: [biofuel] miscibility of ethanol

2004-08-17 Thread Martin Klingensmith



Larosa Rodolfo wrote:
 [Edited to change subject title, was Re: [biofuel] What to plant for 
 biodiesel, and to delete irrelevant previous message. KA]
 
 Please, I need information about miscibility of ethanol - gasoline. If do
 you have this information (trables, graphics, ecc)  is possible send me.
 Thank You
 
 Rodolfo


Hello Rodolfo,
Ethanol can only be mixed with gasoline if it contains no water - 100% 
alcohol. Otherwise it will not mix without a lot of additives such as 
benzene.

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Re: [biofuel] water injection question

2004-08-17 Thread Martin Klingensmith




Greg Harbican wrote:
 A while back I had the misfortune of having someone who thought that they 
 were going to have a bit of fun, with my Land Cruiser, only to be caught 
 dumping water into the fuel tank.  After calling Gold Eagle, the makers of 
 Heet and Iso Heet ( for Diesel ), and talking to one of the technicians, they 
 said that 12 bottles of Iso Heet for every gallon of water should take care 
 of the problem.  After checking the cost of Iso Heet, and talking to my 
 mechanic, I found than it would be more cost effective for the mechanic to 
 take care of the problem, than to buy 2.5 gal of Iso Heet for aprox 2 Gal of 
 water in the fuel tank.
 
 Right now I'm cleaning the fuel system, but once I'm done you can bet that 
 I'm going to try some experiments with Isopropanol and water. and if they 
 work then I'll move on to trying it in the fuel.
 
 Greg H.

Hi Greg,
A mechanic charged you less than $24 to do something to your truck?

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Re: [biofuel] miscibility of ethanol

2004-08-17 Thread Martin Klingensmith




Larosa Rodolfo wrote:
 Hello Martin,
 
 Thank you for your reply. 
 But which is the maximun solubility of absolute ethanol in gasoline  and 
 gasoline in absolute ethanol ? Are there graphics or tables  ?
 
 Thank You
 
 Rodolfo

They should be miscible at any ratio.

One thing I would like to experiment with is ratios of ethanol (incl. 
some water) + methanol + gasoline. Methanol allows gasoline to absorb 
some water but I don't know how the whole mix would work out.

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Re: No attack - was Re: [biofuel] who is trying what

2004-08-14 Thread Martin Klingensmith




Keith Addison wrote:

 There's nothing to be done about it. I've received emails allegedly 
 from myself, [EMAIL PROTECTED], warning me that my address - 
 also [EMAIL PROTECTED] - is being used for spam and my ISP - 
 journeytoforever.org - will close my account unless I do something 
 about it as explained in the attachment (which is of course a virus). 



 Just lies and false addresses. 

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Re: No attack - was Re: [biofuel] who is trying what

2004-08-14 Thread Martin Klingensmith

Hakan, they do require a special code. Have you changed your Yahoo 
password? If not I would do so immediately. It's not hard to fake an 
email from someone [I've sent emails to my friends from [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
as a joke..] but sending the message BACK to a faked address should be 
impossible.
A good password should contain letters along with a number such as 
b8Hdh4c3X it's unguessable and would take a long time for someone to 
figure out. That is, of course, as long as you don't tell everyone like 
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Hakan Falk wrote:
 Keith.
 
 I thought that you had to have a special message in the subject line or 
 message, to unsubscribe from Yahoo lists, this is the normal way it should 
 be done. I did not realize that they allow this only based on an email 
 address, which of course make it very sensitive to viruses. On the other 
 hand, they are quite good on virus scanning of their mail and ought to have 
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Re: [biofuel] Ethanol / Methanol mix

2004-08-12 Thread Martin Klingensmith

Hello Greg,
Methanol is CH3O [atomic mass 31 grams per mole] and ethanol C2H6O [46 g/M].
As you can see there is an oxygen atom in each molecule. Ethanol has 
more energy than methanol because it has more bonds than methanol.
Plain old gasoline is just a series of carbon bonds such as C-C-C-C-C-C 
[with hydrogen all around]
MTBE is C5H12O [88 g/M] which, as you can see, is much more massive than 
either ethanol or methanol yet only has 1 oxygen atom.
Since mixtures are done by weight[mass], you could for example have 1kg 
of methanol mixed with 9kg of gasoline (a 10% mixture). The mass of the 
added oxygen would be approximately 500 grams and the oxygen would be 
about 5% in the whole mixture. If you had 1kg of MTBE with 9kg gasoline 
(again 10%) then the mass of the oxygen would be approximately 180 grams 
and the oxygen would be about 1.8% of total mass.
So methanol would be a much better oxygenator according to my chem 105 
as I remember it calculations. They very well could be off by +/-90% :)
Ethanol would be slightly less efficient as an oxygen donor.
So basically it doesn't matter what the eth/meth ratio is, any amount 
will help.

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Greg Harbican wrote:
 In the last few days, I have been doing some checking, and I found that in 
 1990 there was experimentation into Eth / Meth alcohol mixes, that when added 
 to fuel, would increase the O2 content of the fuel up to 3.7% ( better than 
 11% MTBE with 2% O2 ), decreasing associated pollutants. 
 
 Does anyone have any information about these experiments and what the 
 Eth/Meth ratio's are?
 
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Re: [biofuel] implantable thermoelectric generator

2004-08-12 Thread Martin Klingensmith




tallex2002 wrote:
 
 implantable thermoelectric generator 
 
 http://www.biophan.com/articles/ns.php
 
 http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns5091
 
 
 Power implant aims to run on body heat 
 
 
 Just think if these chips become mass produced in a few years
 and the possible applications for thermo electrics outside the body 
 as well. Surely a bunch of these could be connected together to 
 produce usable power for many 
 devices..ie phones, palm pilots laptops etc. Also could be an 
 effective way of converting exhaust heat.
 
 
 regards
 

Hi tallex,
It appears that they are using Peltier devices. These have been around 
for a long time but don't get used for a lot of things because of their 
horrible efficiency.
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[biofuel] WWIA Server Cooperative

2004-08-11 Thread Martin Klingensmith

This message is for anyone who runs a web site that has a topic of 
biofuels, energy, or almost anything else DIY. If this is you, please 
see this page:
http://wwia.org/colo.php
I wish to start a non-profit server sharing scheme in which people with 
similar interests will pool their money together to pay for their web 
hosting costs.

Thank you for your time.



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Re: [biofuel] SVO automatic switch

2004-08-08 Thread Martin Klingensmith



Austen wrote:
 Has anybody developed or found a thermostat type device that would 
 work to install on the fuel line for the SVO conversion that at say 
 60 C would automatically switch over to SVO, making this conversion 
 more efficient and less driver involved?  I would then wire an over 
 ride switch into the cab.  Any thoughts?
 
 thanks,
 austen

Hi austen,
I believe there is not much of a market for it because the people who 
run SVO currently have the desire to have control over what's going on. 
Consider it a hobby. It would be a very easy control system.


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Re: [biofuel] Organic Farming Sequesters Atmospheric Carbon and Nutrients in Soils

2004-07-31 Thread Martin Klingensmith

Keith Addison wrote:

http://strauscom.com/rodale-whitepaper/

Organic Farming Sequesters Atmospheric Carbon and Nutrients in Soils

Paul Hepperly, The New Farm¨ Research Manager
The Rodale Institute¨

Executive Summary

Organic farming may be one of the most powerful tools in the fight 
against global warming. Findings from The Rodale Institute's 23-year 
Farming Systems Trial¨ (FST) comparing organic and conventional 
cropping systems show organic/regenerative agriculture systems reduce 
carbon dioxide, a major greenhouse gases-positioning organic farming 
as a major player in efforts to slow climate change from runaway 
greenhouse gases increases.

  

Hi Keith,
As we both know [others may not] Pimental has been known to put out bad 
data, though this latest information appears to be good if it is true.
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