Re: [Biofuel] Depleted Uranium Shells Used by U.S. Military - again

[Terry Wilhelm]

Please tell me what brand of briquettes you are referring to?  I live very 
close to a major manufacture and am very sure that I know what they are made of.
   
  Also, for all the rest about DU, it does not appear that anyone here has 
actually handled any DU in their life, only read about it.  That is a 
reference.  If you are looking for live reference to handling DU I will be more 
then happy to answer questions.  The US Navy uses shells that are DU and I have 
years of experience of handling them and the very tight procedures that are 
involved.  
   
  on good assumption - more people die from lung cancer than those that handle 
DU
   
  Terry



   
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Re: [Biofuel] Fuel grade ethanol

[Terry Wilhelm]

Dave,
I had to come back to this email to ask you a few questions about your post.
 
1. Where did you get any of this information from?
2. What are you talking about, "The problem for the home brewer
 is that water in the ethanol tends to fall out when gasoline is added."  Where 
did you get this info?  Have you tried this and saw it happen?
 
I have mixed hundreds of gallons of ethanol (150 - 190 proof) with various 
ratios to gasoline.  I have let several set in a test tube jar so that marked 
levels can be watched.  The only thing that I can say that we saw was the 
gasoline evaporating.
 
Methanol - there is a reason that this is not used for the general public.  Its 
not friendly on your hands, your fuel system, but mostly, the air/fuel is way 
off.
 
Regards,
Terry Wilhelm
The Revenoor Company

--- On Wed, 3/30/11, Dave Hajoglou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


From: Dave Hajoglou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fuel grade ethanol
To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org
Date: Wednesday, March 30, 2011, 1:16 PM


On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 9:43 AM, Tom Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>     In order to get a permit to distill fuel grade ethanol in the United
> States it must be denatured. The recommended method is to add 2 gallons of
> unleaded gasoline to 98 gallons of ethanol. The problem for the home brewer
> is that water in the ethanol tends to fall out when gasoline is added. A
> solution to water in the tank is to add "dry gas" (methanol).
>     My questions are:
>         -Would it be unwise to denature fuel grade ethanol with methanol
> and then used in a Flex Fuel vehicle such as a '99 Ford Ranger? (3.0L Flex
> Fuel version). The water issue would be eliminated.
>         -Any problems running a Flex Fuel vehicle on blends of ethanol,
> gasoline, and methanol?
>
I'd skip the "recommended method" and go with a drop of gas to your
100 gal of ethanol.  So long as you don't drink it, serve it to your
friends, or boast that you can produce some fine moonshine you should
be ok.  (should).  I have no ideas about the methanol mix.

-hojo

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Re: [Biofuel] Fuel grade ethanol

[Terry Wilhelm]

The emails were clipped.  So I am not sure if this came from Dave or Tom.  
Sorry to maybe have it crossed.

--- On Wed, 3/30/11, Terry Wilhelm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


From: Terry Wilhelm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fuel grade ethanol
To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org
Date: Wednesday, March 30, 2011, 6:22 PM


Dave,
I had to come back to this email to ask you a few questions about your post.
 
1. Where did you get any of this information from?
2. What are you talking about, "The problem for the home brewer
 is that water in the ethanol tends to fall out when gasoline is added."  Where 
did you get this info?  Have you tried this and saw it happen?
 
I have mixed hundreds of gallons of ethanol (150 - 190 proof) with various 
ratios to gasoline.  I have let several set in a test tube jar so that marked 
levels can be watched.  The only thing that I can say that we saw was the 
gasoline evaporating.
 
Methanol - there is a reason that this is not used for the general public.  Its 
not friendly on your hands, your fuel system, but mostly, the air/fuel is way 
off.
 
Regards,
Terry Wilhelm
The Revenoor Company

--- On Wed, 3/30/11, Dave Hajoglou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


From: Dave Hajoglou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fuel grade ethanol
To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org
Date: Wednesday, March 30, 2011, 1:16 PM


On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 9:43 AM, Tom Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>     In order to get a permit to distill fuel grade ethanol in the United
> States it must be denatured. The recommended method is to add 2 gallons of
> unleaded gasoline to 98 gallons of ethanol. The problem for the home brewer
> is that water in the ethanol tends to fall out when gasoline is added. A
> solution to water in the tank is to add "dry gas" (methanol).
>     My questions are:
>         -Would it be unwise to denature fuel grade ethanol with methanol
> and then used in a Flex Fuel vehicle such as a '99 Ford Ranger? (3.0L Flex
> Fuel version). The water issue would be eliminated.
>         -Any problems running a Flex Fuel vehicle on blends of ethanol,
> gasoline, and methanol?
>
I'd skip the "recommended method" and go with a drop of gas to your
100 gal of ethanol.  So long as you don't drink it, serve it to your
friends, or boast that you can produce some fine moonshine you should
be ok.  (should).  I have no ideas about the methanol mix.

-hojo

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Re: [Biofuel] peas to ethanol

[Terry Wilhelm]

And when was the last "another real problem"?Doug Foskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  New company: Bees peas?? (TIC)regards DOn Sunday 02 April 2006 3:46, AltEnergyNetwork wrote:> Hi all,> This all sounds interesting but if they keep using> food plants to convert to ethanol we could have another> real problem with food being diverted for fuel production.> Farmers are already burning valuable rainforests> to grow fuel crops,> regards> tallex Peas to ethanol>> Washington - So you don't like eating peas? Then how about fueling> your car or truck with them? That's a possibility Agricultural> Research Service (ARS) scientists are exploring--using a type of> fuel called ethanol, made from the legume's
 starch.> Ethanol is among the cleaner-burning alternatives to petroleum, and> is credited with reducing tailpipe emissions of carbon monoxide> and other pollutants when added to gasoline. full article> < http://www.alternate-energy.net/N/news.php?detail=n1143952054.news > Get your daily alternative energy news>> Alternate Energy Resource Network> 1000+ news sources-resources> updated daily>> http://www.alternate-energy.net>>> Next Generation Grid> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid/>>> Tomorrow-energy> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy/>>> Alternative Energy Politics> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics/>> ___> Biofuel mailing list>
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Re: [Biofuel] New American Bumper stickers - Oh boy

[Terry Wilhelm]

Not sure who you and your friend have for a Vice President, but the rest of us support Dick CHENEY.       Terry WilhelmMike McGinness <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  A friend of mine sent me this today. Thought many of you would appreciate some of them.   And, perhaps there is hope in 2006!! I am seeing a strong movement here in the USA to replace the republicans THIS year! There seem to be dozens of issues getting current media attention that are creating a huge backlash against the republicans right now, or at least against Bush that have even the republicans turning on him as the election approaches. The republicans that are facing re-election to the Senate and House are distancing themselves as much as possible from Bush and Chainey!! I am seeing it in the news on a
 daily basis If the election were held today many experts, including democrats, republicans and pollsters, all say they believe the democrats would take over the House and possibly the Senate. If this trend continues, then this November's election could cripple the Bush reign of anti-terror terror.   Mike McGinness     Great Bumper Stickers for 2006  >  >    DEAR WORLD, WE TRIED OUR BEST  >    -- HALF OF AMERICA  >  >    BLIND FAITH IN BAD LEADERSHIP IS NOT PATRIOTISM  >  >    IF YOU'RE NOT OUTRAGED,  >    YOU'RE NOT PAYING ATTENTION  >  >    IF YOU SUPPORTED BUSH,  >    A YELLOW RIBBON WON'T MAKE UP FOR IT  >  >    SUPPORT OUR TROOPS;  >    IMPEACH BUSH  >  >    AT LEAST IN VIETNAM,  >    BUSH HAD AN EXIT
 STRATEGY  >  >    SEND THE TWINS  >  >    POVERTY, HEALTHCARE & HOMELESSNESS ARE MORAL ISSUES  >  >    SUPPORT OUR TROOPS;  >    BRING THEM HOME NOW!  >  >    BUSH LIED,  >    AND YOU KNOW IT!  >  >    RELIGIOUS FUNDAMENTALISM:  >    A THREAT ABROAD, A THREAT AT HOME  >  >    GOD BLESS EVERYONE  >    (No exceptions)  >  >    BUSH SPENT YOUR SOCIAL SECURITY ON HIS WAR  >  >    "TIS THE TIMES PLAGUE WHEN MADMEN LEAD THE BLIND"  >    -- William Shakespeare (King Lear)  >  >    "THEY THAT CAN GIVE UP ESSENTIAL LIBERTY  >    TO OBTAIN A LITTLE TEMPORARY SAFETY  >    DESERVE NEITHER LIBERTY NOR SAFETY"  >    -- Benjamin Franklin  > 
 >    PRO AMERICA,  >    ANTI BUSH  >  >    WHO WOULD JESUS BOMB?  >  >    IF YOU SUPPORT BUSH'S WAR,  >    WHY ARE YOU STILL HERE?  >    SHUT UP AND SHIP OUT  >  >    FEEL SAFER NOW?  >  >    I'D RATHER HAVE A PRESIDENT WHO SCREWED HIS INTERN  >    THAN ONE WHO SCREWED HIS COUNTRY  >  >    JESUS WAS A SOCIAL ACTIVIST LIBERAL  >  >    MY VALUES? FREE SPEECH. EQUALITY.  >    LIBERTY. EDUCATION. TOLERANCE  >  >    IS IT 2008 YET?  >  >    DISSENT IS THE HIGHEST FORM OF PATRIOTISM  >    -- Thomas Jefferson  >  >    DON'T BLAME ME.  >  >    I VOTED AGAINST BUSH -- TWICE!  >  >    NOBODY DIED WHEN CLINTON LIED  > 
 >    OF COURSE IT HURTS.  >    YOU'RE GETTING SCREWED BY AN ELEPHANT  >  >    ANNOY A CONSERVATIVE;  >    THINK FOR YOURSELF  >  >    VISUALIZE IMPEACHMENT  >  >    HEY BUSH!  >    WHERE'S BIN LADEN?  >  >    GEORGE W. BUSH:  >    MAKING TERRORISTS FASTER THAN HE CAN KILL THEM  >  >    WHERE ARE WE GOING?  >    AND WHY ARE WE IN THIS HANDBASKET?  >  >    KEEP YOUR THEOCRACY OFF MY DEMOCRACY  >  >    CORPORATE MEDIA: WEAPONS OF MASS DECEPTION  >  >    DON'T CONFUSE DYING FOR OIL WITH FIGHTING FOR FREEDOM  >  >    STEM CELL RESEARCH IS PRO LIFE  >  >    HATE, GREED, IGNORANCE:  >    WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION  >  >    HONOR
 OUR TROOPS;  >    DEMAND THE TRUTH  >  >    REBUILD IRAQ?  >    WHY NOT SPEND 87 BILLION ON AMERICA?  >  >    FACT: BUSH OIL  >    1999 - $19 BARREL  >    2006 - $70 BARREL  >  >    THE LAST TIME RELIGION CONTROLLED POLITICS,  >    PEOPLE GOT BURNED AT THE STAKE  >  >    I'LL GIVE UP MY CHOICE WHEN JOHN ROBERTS GETS PREGNANT  >  >    HOW ON EARTH CAN 59,411,287 PEOPLE BE SO DUMB?___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000
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Re: [Biofuel] New American Bumper stickers - Oh boy - 2

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well Doug, at least you can spell if nothing elsedoug <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Terry Wilhelm wrote:> Not sure who you and your friend have for a Vice President, but the > rest of us support Dick *_CHENEY._* > > Terry WilhelmI pray the gods that I'm excluded from the crowd of "us" that supports Dick Cheney!doug swanson-- Contentment comes not from having more, but from wanting less.* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *This email is constructed entirely with OpenSource Software.No Microsoft databits have been incorporated herein.All existing databits have been constructed from recycled databits. ___Biofuel mailing
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Re: [biofuel] Selling ethanol

[Terry Wilhelm]

ATF ( not their real name now) as far as the Fed's go, there is no requirement 
about having to be commerical property.  Also, there are several methods for 
denaturing the alcohol besides gasoline.  We agree that each state is different 
(Oregon distillers i.e. beverage is $100 per year).  Most people that are 
distilling on a small scale are not only selling either as a beverage or fuel, 
but also to the marine and auto repair industry, essential oil people and the 
medical community. Its too bad that Bryan's good info included "you need a 
whole raft of permits that are probably beyond the budget of your endeavor". We 
have supplied thousands of still to people all over the world including the 
United States.  A fellow in W. Va.'s claim the fame is "the nations smallest 
distillary". Check all the facts to see what you really need. Regards,Terry 
WilhelmThe Revenoor Co. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 

 


martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Bryan, I was under the impression that if you 
got this permit, you could
only produce ethanol on commercial land, not residential.
Do you know if this is the case or [I hope] I'm just wrong?
I've been drawing up plans for a constant distillation column .. I can't
wait until I am out of school and have my own facilities to work on things.

-- 
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Bryan Brah wrote:

>The small alcohol fuel producer (AFP) permit from BATF is free, but it only 
>allows you to manufacture ethanol for your own use as a fuel.  If you intend 
>to sell the ethanol as a fuel you need an additional federal permit (not 
>free).  Ethanol sold as a fuel must be denatured (usually by adding 1 or 2 
>percent gasoline) which renders it undrinkable.   If you intend to manufacture 
>and sell ethanol for human consumption, you need a whole raft of permits that 
>are probably beyond the budget of your endeavor.  Of course the only 
>difference between homemade ethanol for drinking and for fuel is that the fuel 
>variety has less water and is generally more pure.
>
> 
>
>Besides the appropriate Federal permits, there may be additional state, 
>county, and city permits required to run a still in your backyard or garage.  
>In Texas, there is a $189 per/year state fee.  Most likely California is more. 
> You may also need a license or an exemption letter stating how and where you 
>will dispose of the waste from your production.  If you intend to sell 
>anything on a regular basis, you should have a DBA and a sales tax permit.  
>
> 
>
>Good Luck! 
>
> 
>
>-BRAH
>
> 
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Luke Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 12:30 AM
>To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [biofuel] Selling ethanol
>
> 
>
>Hi,
>I an wondering if I make some ethanol how do I sell it? What does it sell for? 
>Do I need a permit to produce and sell ethanol in the US spicifically around 
>San Diego, Califorina? Is there a market to sell small quanities to start out?
>
>Just a college kid trying to figure it out, Luke Smith
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>
>  
>




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RE: [biofuel] Selling ethanol

[Terry Wilhelm]

ATF form 5110.74 Alcohol Fuel Producers permit.  Free. We supply one with every 
still that we sell.  And dont forget about the Federal and State tax credits at 
the end of the year. Let me know if you need any additional help.Regards,Terry 
WilhelmThe Revenoor Co. [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Bryan Brah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:I spent about three hours on the web pages 
of the U.S. Treasury Department, the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms, 
the Texas Alcohol Beverage Commission, the Travis County Tax Assessor/Collector 
Office, and the City of Austin.  Then I spent about an hour on the phone with 
these various government organs.  I was told by the feds that I needed the AFP 
permit, but after speaking to someone at the TABC was told that as long as I 
wasnÁ‚t putting anything into the water or wastewater systems I only needed to 
register with the state and pay a fee of $189 per year.  The county and city 
governments both said that as long as I wasnÁ‚t selling anything I didnÁ‚t need 
anything from them.  I told each government agent exactly the same thing: ÁéI 
will be producing ethanol at my residence in quantities of less than 1000 proof 
gallons per year for my personal use as a motor fuel and/or catalyst in 
biodiesel production.  What permits or licenses do I need?Áƒ  



My plan is get the required permits, request ÁéOfficialÁƒ copies of the 
applicable regulations, and start production.



-BRAH  



-Original Message-
From: martin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 3:50 PM
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Selling ethanol



Bryan, I was under the impression that if you got this permit, you could
only produce ethanol on commercial land, not residential.
Do you know if this is the case or [I hope] I'm just wrong?
I've been drawing up plans for a constant distillation column .. I can't
wait until I am out of school and have my own facilities to work on things.

-- 
---
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http://nnytech.net/
http://infoarchive.net/


Bryan Brah wrote:

>The small alcohol fuel producer (AFP) permit from BATF is free, but it only 
>allows you to manufacture ethanol for your own use as a fuel.  If you intend 
>to sell the ethanol as a fuel you need an additional federal permit (not 
>free).  Ethanol sold as a fuel must be denatured (usually by adding 1 or 2 
>percent gasoline) which renders it undrinkable.   If you intend to manufacture 
>and sell ethanol for human consumption, you need a whole raft of permits that 
>are probably beyond the budget of your endeavor.  Of course the only 
>difference between homemade ethanol for drinking and for fuel is that the fuel 
>variety has less water and is generally more pure.
>
> 
>
>Besides the appropriate Federal permits, there may be additional state, 
>county, and city permits required to run a still in your backyard or garage.  
>In Texas, there is a $189 per/year state fee.  Most likely California is more. 
> You may also need a license or an exemption letter stating how and where you 
>will dispose of the waste from your production.  If you intend to sell 
>anything on a regular basis, you should have a DBA and a sales tax permit.  
>
> 
>
>Good Luck! 
>
> 
>
>-BRAH
>
> 
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Luke Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 12:30 AM
>To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [biofuel] Selling ethanol
>
> 
>
>Hi,
>I an wondering if I make some ethanol how do I sell it? What does it sell for? 
>Do I need a permit to produce and sell ethanol in the US spicifically around 
>San Diego, Califorina? Is there a market to sell small quanities to start out?
>
>Just a college kid trying to figure it out, Luke Smith
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>
>  
>







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Re: [biofuel] biofuel progress in india - Conference attendee

[Terry Wilhelm]

Hello all,
The Revenoor Co. INC recently attended the "Biofuels - Driving India's Future" 
conference in New Delhi.  Most all discussion was on using sugarcane for the 
production of the ethanol.  I was amazed that for the most part no other source 
was considered as viable.  The government plans to mandate 5 % ethanol blend 
and a 10% blend in selected cities by 3/2003.  They estimate it would require 
10 billion litres for this plan.  Currently they have 2 billion capacity 
without imports.  Over all the conference was headed in the right direction.  
Although, the majority of discussion was on 500,000 million litre plants and 
above instead of many smaller plants that could come online must faster.
Regards,
Terry D. Wilhelm
The Revenoor Co. INC
www.revenoor.com
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 Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>hi
>   We from brasil is also have good progress , we can
>exchange the information.
>
>sd
>Pannirselvam

Good - but I hope you exhange your information on-list rather than 
privately, so everyone else can share it.

Best

Keith

>
> --- Suraj Vinay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escreveu: >
>Hi, I think this project is in its embryonic stage
> > in INDIA so if
> > anyone can guide me into converting or using
> > bio-fuel engines it
> > would be a step in progress in INDIA. If you havvent
> > beeen here then
> > you will not know the vehicular congestion has
> > created a zone for
> > diesel emissions and dark smoke on to the ecosystem
> > . I think with
> > its large vehicular population especially deisel
> > ones, we can profit
> > as well as progress in the right direction if on a
> > semi large scale
> > we can bring out some kind of progress here.
> > Thank you
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Re: [biofuel] Re: Drum Modification

[Terry Wilhelm]

TIG welder is the way to go.. Lot more control of the heat and solders (brazes) 
alot easier.
Terry D. Wilhelm
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 "hugh_frater <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:I'd braze onto the 
drum. In order to braze, you use flux and a
bronze/brass filler wire. Note that it does not involve melting the
steel of the drum. You can't do it with a MIG welder, but can use a
carbon arc brazing attachment on a ordinary stick welder. Although to
be brutally honest, I wouldn't waste your time with these toys and
beg/steel/borry a oxy/propane setup and braze with that because you'll
get better results.

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Re: [biofuel] Drum Modification

[Terry Wilhelm]

A plastic tank adapter would work great too.  All you would have to do is drill 
a hole in the drum with a hole saw.
Terry Wilhelm
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 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:In a message dated 14/01/03 01:28:32 GMT Standard 
Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< Hello,
 I am trying to find a reliable way to install a 3/4" copper valve in the 
side of a 55 gallon drum in order to drain off settled biodiesel to go into a 
wash tank (leaving the settled out gunk at the bottom).  Does anyoned have a 
good technique or know of suppliers for the necessary parts?  Thanks.
Jack >>
Can you use standard domestic plastic pipe fittings? Cheap to replace if it 
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Re: [biofuel] Diesel Motorcycles ? the answer

[Terry Wilhelm]

Royal Enfield has been producing diesel motorcycles
for several years.  They are produced by a British
company and sold in India.  Big market there.  There
is one distributor in the US that I have spoken with
about this bike. I have priced the bikes several times
when I was in India and then check the prices in the
US and they are almost three times the cost.  In the
US they come with a key and turn signals.
I believe that the bike was a 500 cc.  The diesel
model was all black.  No chrome but has a real neat
sound.

Terry D. Wilhelm
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"Serving the World With Stills"
--- craig reece <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I did a Google search on them once, and there's an
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> and someone's working on
> a diesel/electric hybrid motorcycle.
> 
> Craig
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> Greg and April wrote:
> 
> > I just had a thought, does anyone know of a
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Re: [biofuel] Greeting and question - Someone who may help

[Terry Wilhelm]

 Hello Gang;
The man with all the answers for this may be found at The Essential Oil Company 
in Portland, Oregon, USA.  Contact Robert there: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
800.729.5912 Phone / 503.872.8767 FAX.. Robert has traveled the world and has 
extensive knowledge on this and other essential oil matters.
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1.
I live in Indonesia, but frankly I never been seen how the process to extract 
the oil from palm fruit.
The island which a lot of palm tree farm and palm oil factory is in another 
island, while I never been there.
I heard they crushed the palm fruit and boiled with a lot of water and then 
separate the oil, so the they got a high rendement ( it's correct... ??)
Then now about Jatropha curcas, so far I knew is just by pressing (extruder) 
method to get the oil, which it a lot of oil remaining in the waste oil cake.
Have you been hear about how to take the Jatropha oil with better method for 
higher rendement, 
may be as palm oil extraction method as above or so ?.
Palm oil is demanded, it has a good export value, while Jatropha not demanded, 
but it could growth well everywhere in tropical arid land just by rainfed. 

2.
From your website, I read, some big fuel company sold the fossil Diesel fuel 
mixed with a bit of Biodiesel, means at least it few thousand litres of 
Biodiesel a day needed.
How they produce the Biodiesel in big amount, just by TransEsterification 
method or may be with hydrocracking method as people did to the heavy fossil 
fuel ?.
Actually it possible or not to shorten the SVO molecular bond by cracking 
method ?.

Thanks a lot for your attention in advance
Many regards 
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Re: [biofuel] Re heating fuel to diesel distillar

[Terry Wilhelm]

The Revenoor Co. INC builds a Hazardous Waste Unit Recycling still.  We custom 
build the columns for not only what you need to reclaim but to also produce 
alcohol in the same still.
Hope this helps.
http://www.revenoor.com/revenoor_003.htm  bottm on the page
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Regarding the gentleman with a tankful of heating oil.
I beleive a very simple still would get rid of the colour.
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Re: [biofuel] source of ethanol - 1

[Terry Wilhelm]

Well here is a small amount of information that The Revenoor CO. can provide 
for answers.
First, the cheapest and easiest way to get the proof that you need is to make 
it yourself.
Second, the legal way to do this is with an Alcohol Producers Permit from ATF.  
Every still that The Revenoor Co. sells comes with a 208 page book on making 
alcohol that includes the ATF form. The permit is free and takes about 45 days 
to get.  Also, if you are a distiller and you buy or sell to another distiller 
there are no federal taxes.  Keep in mind that as an Alcohol Fuel Producer that 
you can received federal and local tax credits.
Hope this helps
Regards,
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The Revenoor Co. INC
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wrote:Michael writes:

>
>does anyone know of a good source of reasonably
>priced ethanol for making biodiesel? It doesn't need
>to be completely anhydrous (95% would be okay,
>I can use dessicants to remove the rest of the water),
>but it can NOT be denatured with gasoline. It would be
>okay to be denatured with methanol, but of course I'd
>prefer it if it were possible to get ethanol that hasn't
>been denatured at all.

In the US, that would always be taxed as beverage alcohol
(I believe -- maybe there are some exceptions) and would
be prohibitively expensive. Even denaturing only lowers the
price by the tax -- still $5-$7 a gallon even in multi-drum
quantities.  It's the fuel-grade folks who really make huge
quantities cheap (< $2 a gal) , and they all use gasoline as
denaturant. What's your objection to that?

By the way, only fuel-grade is typically grain-based, unless
you especially buy (and pay extra for) so-called "grain neutral
spirits". And this stuff is rarely denatured, so you pay the tax
as well. Most solvent stuff (paint stores, Home Depot, laboratory
supply places, etc.) is made from ethylene (from petroleum)
and is probly worse (environmentally) than methanol.

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Re: [biofuel] Dumb Question-Why do people believe this stuff

[Terry Wilhelm]

I'll send a little of the same info that this all started out with.  I wish 
that the people that do not have or have ever tried to get an Alcohol Fuel 
Producers Permit from ATF would refrain from giving their opinion.  The permit 
ATF F 5110.74 does not state that the still must be set up on commerical 
property.  The permit does state that the property must have some security, 
like a lock.
Their are also recovery permits that would not make recovering ethanol a crime.
As far as reporting, it is not monthly, but at the end of the year.
I'll answer any other questions to the best of my knowledge if anyone has any.  
We have found that the folks at ATF have been the greatest as far as help and 
questions.
Regards,
Terry D. Wilhelm
The Revenoor Co. INC
www.revenoor.com
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Curtis Sakima wrote:Hey, can I ask like "the" dumbest question in
history??

What IS it ... that motivates the ATF (and other govt.
agencies) ... to make such an overwhelming stink about
ethanol??  Huh??  What is it??

I know it's "because you're guaranteed GOING to do
something" that the govt. don't want.  Something that
... if the govt. doesn't stick a AK-47 in your face
and command you NOT to do ... You're GOING to do. So I
know that's "WHY" the watch you like a hawk!!

But I'm naive ... ok??  What is it that I'm GOING to
do ... such that the ATF demands that I report
regularly to them to make sure "I'm not doing it".

What is it?? Drink my distiller's output??  Sell it??
Sell it to Saddam Hussein in exchange for setting up a
Al-Queda terrorist cell here in the US??

What's the crime everyone's looking so hard for??

naive me,

Curtis


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By definition, the biodiesel "homebrewer" will always
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Re: [biofuel] Dumb Question-Why do people believe this stuff (and again I say)

[Terry Wilhelm]

I can agree with your comments.but...you are referring to a "distilled 
spirits plant".  
That is not the case or even close when we are talking about Alcohol Fuel 
Producers or redistillers permit.  And we can still go to the reclaiming or 
redistilling permit side of ATF.
I just dont think that it is fair that the people trying to make ethanol as an 
alternative fuel or for biofuel should be getting all this mis-information from 
people that are not ATF talking or even appear to have had any contact with ATF 
or their local government.  I have seen websites that state its illegal to OWN 
a still in the USA.  Boy that would discourage alot of people fast.  All I want 
to say is to check the facts and your sources on your own.  In the mean time we 
will try to keep the facts as we know it out there and going in the right 
direction.
Regards,
Terry D. Wilhelm
The Revenoor Co. INC
www.revenoor.com
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 Ken Provost 
wrote:Terry Wilhelm writes:

>I wish that the people that do not have or have ever [sic] tried
>to get an Alcohol Fuel Producers Permit from ATF would refrain
>from giving their opinion.  [ouch!]  The permit ATF F 5110.74
>does not state that the still must be set up on commerical
>property.

Alas, the feds have many regulations up their sleeves, and they
don't do you the favor of telling you all the relevant passages
on every form. They hope you won't do your homework, so that
you can be assured of being in violation of some regulation
or another every second of your life. I think the relevant one
in this case can be found at

http://envirotext.eh.doe.gov/data/uscode/26/5178.shtml

Section 5178, subsection (a), part (1), paragraph (B):

"No distilled spirits plant for the production of distilled spirits
[don't you love that one?] shall be located in any dwelling house,
in any shed, yard, or inclosure [sic] connected with any dwelling
house..."

I guess the question is whether distilling (or re-distilling)
ethanol for biodiesel makes you a "distilled spirits plant."
I leave to others more willing to wade through the gummint's
nonsense and misspellings to determine this pressing issue.
For my part, I will continue to do what I want, secure in the
understanding that it's probly ALWAYS illegal   -K

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Re: [biofuel] Using Alcohol for fuel - 1

[Terry Wilhelm]

Hello Jose
Alcohol is more dense then gasoline.  You will need to open the jets up about 
an additional 1/3.  On a small engine this means adjusting the mixture screw.  
On a larger engine this is done by drilling the jets out an additional 1/3 or 
replacing with larger jets.
Hope this helps
Regards,
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 JOSE GALVAN wrote:
Where can I get instructions on converting over a regular lawn mower engine for 
burning home made fuels like alcohol?

Where can I find out what the actual emissions are from using alcohol as a fuel?

Thank you,

Jose Trevino

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Re: [biofuel] Using Alcohol for fuel - 2

[Terry Wilhelm]

Ok Bryan, lets try thicker then gasoline.  Since alcohol is thicker it needs a 
bigger hole to get through.
Regards,
 Terry D. Wilhelm
 The Revenoor Co. INC
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 Bryan Fullerton wrote:You mean LESS dense. Less density in this case means 
more volume is needed.
This is why carb jets need drilled out.

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To: 
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>
> Hello Jose
> Alcohol is more dense then gasoline.  You will need to open the jets up
about an additional 1/3.  On a small engine this means adjusting the mixture
screw.  On a larger engine this is done by drilling the jets out an
additional 1/3 or replacing with larger jets.
> Hope this helps
> Regards,
> Terry D. Wilhelm
> The Revenoor Co. INC
> www.revenoor.com
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>  JOSE GALVAN wrote:
> Where can I get instructions on converting over a regular lawn mower
engine for burning home made fuels like alcohol?
>
> Where can I find out what the actual emissions are from using alcohol as a
fuel?
>
> Thank you,
>
> Jose Trevino
>
> 281-850-4604
>
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Re: [biofuel] methanol recovery still anyone

[Terry Wilhelm]

Talk to the guys at The Revenoor Co.   They build stills from 5 to 1,000 gallon 
capacity and larger.  They also build a recycling still to recover acetones, 
thinners and the likes.  Making your own ethanol is very easy, legal and 
fun.www.revenoor.com503.662.4173

bowlcole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I'm about 100 gallons into this home brew game and quite 
addicted.  But there's the environmental issue tht I hear many of 
y'all turning over, methanol is pretty nasty, ethanol a bit more 
friendly.  
   I have been told that I can recover almost all of the methanol.  
is this right.   
   Then who has made a still.  I am pretty ready to start one out of 
the 40 gallon hot water heater tank.  NIce closed system with heating 
elements already in it.
   Has anyone made a still and how much are they recovering?  Can you 
use the methanol indefinately?  
Also I've heard of someone needing to 'get rid' of some ethanol 
that's not pure.   catch is they are only selling 1000 plus gallons 
anyone wish to go in on a tanker full?   what are the risks?
  thanks   bowlcole



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[biofuel] Dextrose supplier needed

[Terry Wilhelm]

Anybody have a lead on bulk dextrose?

Thanks in advance

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Re: [biofuel] Dextrose supplier needed

[Terry Wilhelm]

a supplier

Larosa Rodolfo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:What do you need about dextrose ?

Rodolfo

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Re: [biofuel] Diesel Boats

[Terry Wilhelm]

It is a very loud engine.  One thing about them is if anything (i.e. broken 
keyway) happens to the positive displacement roots type blower (not the turbos) 
it will not start or even run.  We have had this problem with the engine in our 
dump truck.  In a truck that doesnt bother me, but on the water I'd be nervous. 
 But first, they are LOUD engines with that blower screaming.  During my US 
Navy years they were trying hard to get away from them since there were alot of 
better applications out there.
 
Regards,
Terry Wilhelm

Jack Kenworthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I have a question for any mechanic-types out there - particularly marine-diesel 
familiars.  I am thinking about purchasing a 40 foot diesel work boat for a 
combined aquculture and dive operation and I am wondering if any knows about:
1 - this engine in particular:  General Motors 8V71 twin turbo rated at 450 HP? 
 I know that GM has had some trouble with diesel engines in the past just 
wondering if anyone has experience or knowledge pertaining to this model in 
particular.
2 - Special considerations for using biodiesel in marine applications?
Thanks for the help.
Best,
Jack
Jack Kenworthy
Sustainable Systems Director
The Cape Eleuthera Island School
242-359-7625 ph. 954-252-2224 fax
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Oh boy :Was; Re: [biofuel] Neither Right nor Left but Dead on Center

[Terry Wilhelm]

I have avoided comments on the political views that come through here but I 
feel that I speak not only for myself but others that are on "biofuel" wanting 
to stick to "biofuel".
 
Why don't you guys start a "biopolitical" group and keep each other informed of 
what the media has to say.  Most people take media with a grain of salt anyway, 
at least the conservative side does.  Based on what I read, not sure what 
"Dead on Center" means other then the dead part.  And why are we interested 
in something from 1999.  The following is from OSI's webpage:
May 30, 2003

OSI Publishes Report on Post-War Reconstruction in Iraq 


On May 22, 2003, the United Nations Security Council unanimously approved 
Resolution 1483 outlining reconstruction efforts in Iraq. While the resolution 
grants the United States, which currently occupies Iraq, wide latitude in 
organizing a post-war Iraqi government and overseeing extensive reconstruction 
efforts, it also provides for significant input from the United Nations. The UN 
and other members of the international community now have a responsibility to 
utilize their experience in multilateral cooperation to ensure that the ongoing 
reconstruction process is effective, fair, and consistent.

"Things that make you go.hm?"

Regards,

Terry Wilhelm

The Revenoor Co. INC


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Re: [biofuel] Lawn mower on ethanol ?

[Terry Wilhelm]

Here is a little info from our experiences about small engines.
Yes, dumping the ethanol into the engine will make it run.  On a small engine 
you will need to supply more fuel than was used before on gasoline.
Normally, this means just turning the mixture screw out.  That is why running 
with a small amount of choke worked.
On a larger engine, you need to start with larger jets about 1/3 bigger. 
 
Hope this helps
Terry Wilhelm
The Revenoor Co. INC

Pieter Koole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Best Friends,
Thanks Keith for your answers.
A few more things about this :
I have found, that permanent use of the choke also makes the engine run
better ( of course this also makes the mixture air/alcohol richer ).
The problem here is, that the knifes of the lawnmower don't get enough speed
to cut the grass properly, but we don't have this problem with a car.

A few questions : After I have adapted the main jet, can I still use the
engine with petrol ?
The fact that ethanol as well as methanol are corrosive, does that mean that
these products are harmfull for the engine ?

My lawnmower is a 4 stroke engine.
The motor on my boat has a 2 stroke engine. Do you mean, that I can use Bio
diesel in stead of 2 stroke lubricating oil for the latter one ? ( I use
methanol for making BD )
Met vriendelijke groeten,
Pieter Koole
Netherlands

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From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 2:42 PM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Lawn mower on ethanol ?


> >Hello friends,
> >
> >My lawn mower goes on petrol.
> >Can I just put methanol or ethanol in the tank, or do I have to modify
the
> >engine ? How ?
> >The ethanol I have is 99% pure.
> >The methanol I have is 95% pure.
> >
> >Met vriendelijke groeten,
> >Pieter Koole
> >Netherlands.
>
> Hello Pieter
>
> Is it 2-stroke or 4-stroke?
>
> Anyway, both ethanol and methanol are quite corrosive, especially
> methanol - you should be okay with ethanol. You only need such pure
> ethanol if you're going to mix it with gasoline (or make ethyl
> esters!). If you're using it neat, 160-proof and up will be fine
> (80%).
>
> If it's a two-stroke, try using biodiesel with the ethanol instead of
> 2-stroke oil, we've had good reports.
>
> Either way you'll have to enlarge the main jet.
>
> How To Adapt Your Automobile Engine For Ethyl Alcohol Use -- Mother
> Earth Alcohol Fuel Manual. Biofuels Library:
> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_motherearth/me2.html
>
> The Manual for the Home and Farm Production of Alcohol Fuel
> Chapter 3
> UTILIZATION OF ALCOHOL FUELS
> Biofuels Library:
> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_manual/manual3.html
>
> How To Modify Your Car To Run On Alcohol Fuel: "Guidelines for
> converting gasoline engines (With Specific Instructions for
> Air-Cooled Volkswagens)" by Roger Lippman, April 1982 -- Five-chapter
> online book:
> http://terrasol.home.igc.org/alky/alky.htm
>
> Sorry that this is all second-hand information - we'll be producing
> ethanol here quite soon and using it in two-stroke engines, but
> haven't quite got that far yet.
>
> regards
>
> Keith
>
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Re: [biofuel] Lawn mower on ethanol ?

[Terry Wilhelm]

It doesnt need to be that pure.  Also, its more fun to make your own alcohol 
then to buy it.  

Chicago Medi-Transit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Does also apply for scooters that have 2 stroke
engines? 

Another question is can Everclear (Liquor), which is
pure grain alcohol 200 proof, be used as fuel? 


JG
--- Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Hello friends,
> >
> >My lawn mower goes on petrol.
> >Can I just put methanol or ethanol in the tank, or
> do I have to modify the
> >engine ? How ?
> >The ethanol I have is 99% pure.
> >The methanol I have is 95% pure.
> >
> >Met vriendelijke groeten,
> >Pieter Koole
> >Netherlands.
> 
> Hello Pieter
> 
> Is it 2-stroke or 4-stroke?
> 
> Anyway, both ethanol and methanol are quite
> corrosive, especially 
> methanol - you should be okay with ethanol. You only
> need such pure 
> ethanol if you're going to mix it with gasoline (or
> make ethyl 
> esters!). If you're using it neat, 160-proof and up
> will be fine 
> (80%).
> 
> If it's a two-stroke, try using biodiesel with the
> ethanol instead of 
> 2-stroke oil, we've had good reports.
> 
> Either way you'll have to enlarge the main jet.
> 
> How To Adapt Your Automobile Engine For Ethyl
> Alcohol Use -- Mother 
> Earth Alcohol Fuel Manual. Biofuels Library:
>
http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_motherearth/me2.html
> 
> The Manual for the Home and Farm Production of
> Alcohol Fuel
> Chapter 3
> UTILIZATION OF ALCOHOL FUELS
> Biofuels Library:
>
http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_manual/manual3.html
> 
> How To Modify Your Car To Run On Alcohol Fuel:
> "Guidelines for 
> converting gasoline engines (With Specific
> Instructions for 
> Air-Cooled Volkswagens)" by Roger Lippman, April
> 1982 -- Five-chapter 
> online book:
> http://terrasol.home.igc.org/alky/alky.htm
> 
> Sorry that this is all second-hand information -
> we'll be producing 
> ethanol here quite soon and using it in two-stroke
> engines, but 
> haven't quite got that far yet.
> 
> regards
> 
> Keith
> 
> 


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Re: [biofuel] Heater Element

[Terry Wilhelm]

If it is a 1" screw in model, get a 1" female adapter, cut a hole in the drum 
and weld it to the side.  If it is a bolt on model, cut a hole for the heater 
and the bolts, use the gasket or sealer and bolt it through the drum.  Would 
suggest using a thermostat inline for your protection.  You can buy them at the 
same place that you got the element.
 
Regards,
Terry Wilhelm
www.revenoor.com


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I recently bought a replacement hot water tank heating element (120 
V).  Now I need some advice on how to install it so that it will work 
efficiently and not burn up.  It is only about 9"ong and I am using a 
55 gallong drum.  What do you suggest?  



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Re: [biofuel] Any distillers near Saint Louis?

[Terry Wilhelm]

Hello Jeff
Do you know who built the still?
Or do you have any pictures of it?
We may be able to help.
Regards,
Terry Wilhelm
The Revenoor Co. INC
503.662.4173

seekersuncross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I am looking for an experienced distiller near Saint Louis. I have an
important decision to make about a very large still a fellow wants to 
sell for $2,500.  The column and boiler weighs about 2000lbs. This 
guy claims that when this still was originally set up 15 years ago by 
the people who manufactured it, it costed $40,000 for the unit and 
set up.  He bought it for $2,500 because he knew the guy who owned 
the company.  I need someone who can tell me if this thing is worth 
it because I am still learning about the distillation process and I 
still have a book on the way (the compleat distiller) and I don't 
want to pass this up if it can make the 5 gallons or more an hour he 
claims.  I have a resource for free firewood and bread for the 
conversion to ethanol.  Is it possible to get someone's help nearby to
look at this thing and help me find out if this still is worth the 
money? 
Thanks and God Bless...Jeff Schneider..



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[biofuel] ÎEnergy Primerâ

[Terry Wilhelm]

Does anyone have any information on this out of print book ÎEnergy Primerâ if 
possible?  Where can one be gotten from?  

Regards,

Terry Wilhelm

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[biofuel] Vacumn distillation

[Terry Wilhelm]

The Revenoor Co., www.revenoor.com, makes all copper
stills ranging from 5 gallon removable tops to 1,000
gallon systems.  We have several people pulling 25
inches of vacuum on them.  Although those models have
been re-enforced somewhat.
Hope that helps
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"movember" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Any suggestions for an off-the-shelf vacuum
distillation unit for
>recovering methanol from a home-built continuous
processor?
>If possible, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Preferably, send it here to the list - I'm sure a lot
of members 
would be interested.

Keith Addison
Journey to Forever
Handmade Projects
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Re: [biofuel] Re: ethanol distillation

[Terry Wilhelm]

This is one of the reasons that The Revenoor Co.
www.revenoor.com offers all alcohol stills with
internal solar/steam coils.
Terry
--- randallbarron1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Okay, so solar stills are available, but do not
> produce a very high 
> ethanol concentration with distillation.  What about
> using solar 
> energy to preheat your solution before it reaches a
> regular still.  
> If you could preheat with solar power, less energy
> would need to be 
> input it to the final distillation processes.
> 
> Randall
> 
> --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > >I am new to this group so this may have already
> been answered 
> before,
> > >but I have not been able to find any information
> on it yet.
> > >
> > >I keep seeing information about energy use for
> distillation being a
> > >limiting factor using ethanol as an alternative
> fuel source.  Has
> > >anyone looked into using some sort of solar
> collector to provide 
> the
> > >heat (or at least some of the heat) needed for
> distillation?
> > >
> > >Randall
> > 
> > Hi Randall
> > 
> > 
>
http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_manual/manual15.ht
> ml
> > Alcohol Fuel Manual Ch15
> > Chapter 15
> > SOLAR STILLS
> > 
> > Also:
> > http://journeytoforever.org/ethanol_energy.html
> > Is ethanol energy-efficient?
> > 
> > Best
> > 
> > Keith Addison
> > Journey to Forever
> > Handmade Projects
> > Tokyo
> > http://journeytoforever.org/
> 
> 


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Re: [biofuel] Re: ethanol distillation in copper

[Terry Wilhelm]

 We at The Revenoor Co. have custom built stainless steel stills in the past 
and the beverage people just were not happy with the end result.  So we bought 
them back and made copper ones instead.
Terry Wilhelm
 
  steve spence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: copper is a time-honored material 
applicable for use in alcohol stills.

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To: 
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 5:50 AM
Subject: RE: [biofuel] Re: ethanol distillation


> I am currently experimenting with adapting copper cylinders which are
heated
> via a coil using solar collectors, as a processing vessel for some stage
of
> biofuel making. The reasoning is that I work for a company installing
solar
> thermal systems and we usually replace the existing copper cylinders -
their
> scrap value is minimal, so this is possibly a way to add some value to the
> copper cylinder and provide a simple vessel for small batch processing of
> biofuel ( eg.suitable for farmers) I realise that copper is not the most
> suitable material due to its chemical reactivity - but there does seem to
be
> scope for its less problematic use at the heating stage..
>
> Jan
>
> -Original Message-
> From: randallbarron1 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 08 February 2002 14:42
> To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [biofuel] Re: ethanol distillation
>
>
> Okay, so solar stills are available, but do not produce a very high
> ethanol concentration with distillation.  What about using solar
> energy to preheat your solution before it reaches a regular still.
> If you could preheat with solar power, less energy would need to be
> input it to the final distillation processes.
>
> Randall
>
> --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >I am new to this group so this may have already been answered
> before,
> > >but I have not been able to find any information on it yet.
> > >
> > >I keep seeing information about energy use for distillation being a
> > >limiting factor using ethanol as an alternative fuel source.  Has
> > >anyone looked into using some sort of solar collector to provide
> the
> > >heat (or at least some of the heat) needed for distillation?
> > >
> > >Randall
> >
> > Hi Randall
> >
> >
> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_manual/manual15.ht
> ml
> > Alcohol Fuel Manual Ch15
> > Chapter 15
> > SOLAR STILLS
> >
> > Also:
> > http://journeytoforever.org/ethanol_energy.html
> > Is ethanol energy-efficient?
> >
> > Best
> >
> > Keith Addison
> > Journey to Forever
> > Handmade Projects
> > Tokyo
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Re: [biofuel] Re: Ethanol

[Terry Wilhelm]

hopefully Motie was talking about our website
www.revenoor.com
Thanks guys
Let me know if I can answer any other questions.
Regards,
Terry D. Wilhelm
The Revenoor Co
--- motie_d <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Martin Klingensmith
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I am exploring ethanol possibilities
> > I have calculated that with a mash of 14% alcohol,
> I will need at 
> least 100
> > gallons to distill out to ~15 gallons of 180 proof
> alcohol.
> > Has anyone ever made a semi-automatic device for 
> fermenting/distilling?
> > I am a typical mechanical-minded person, the least
> effort is the 
> best way
> > right?
> > 
> I agree that is the best way. I'm sort of
> half-heartedly exploring 
> that situation myself. (I don't have time or
> resources to pursue it 
> as a full-time effort)
> I'm looking for a method of using vacuum on a
> fermentation tank to 
> remove some of the alcohol on a continuous basis. I
> found a pressure 
> cooker, boiled about an inch of water in it, letting
> it vent 
> (hopefully) most of the air, and hooked a hose to a
> container with 
> Ethanol in it. I had removed the pressure gauge from
> the cooker, and 
> installed a vacuum gauge from an AirConditioner
> recharging set. I was 
> hoping that as the steam cooled, it would provide
> vacuum enough to 
> pull at least some of the Ethanol vapors to another
> container inline.
> It was a misuse of equipment and failed to work. The
> gasket in the 
> pressure cooker is made to hold pressure, NOT
> vacuum. I got 10 inches 
> of vacuum, and the seal sucked inside. Ethanol will
> not boil at 100F 
> with only 10 inches of vacuum. I want to keep the
> temp of the 
> fermenter low enough so the Yeast will survive and
> continue to 
> produce. Others have told me I need to keep the temp
> below 95F. I 
> still don't know how much vacuum will be needed. I
> haven't abandoned 
> the project, yet.
> 
> I had a link to someone who provides commercial
> systems for sale. I 
> can't locate it just now. They have everything from
> a Still to a 
> complete system including fermentation tanks and
> pumps, up to 1 
> million gallons/year.
> 
> If you find any further info, be sure to post it
> here.
> 
> Motie
> 
> 


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[biofuel] Re: Ethanol stills

[Terry Wilhelm]

hopefully Motie was talking about our website
www.revenoor.com
Thanks guys
Let me know if I can answer any other questions.
Regards,
Terry D. Wilhelm
The Revenoor Co
--- motie_d <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Martin Klingensmith
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I am exploring ethanol possibilities
> > I have calculated that with a mash of 14% alcohol,
> I will need at 
> least 100
> > gallons to distill out to ~15 gallons of 180 proof
> alcohol.
> > Has anyone ever made a semi-automatic device for 
> fermenting/distilling?
> > I am a typical mechanical-minded person, the least
> effort is the 
> best way
> > right?
> > 
> I agree that is the best way. I'm sort of
> half-heartedly exploring 
> that situation myself. (I don't have time or
> resources to pursue it 
> as a full-time effort)
> I'm looking for a method of using vacuum on a
> fermentation tank to 
> remove some of the alcohol on a continuous basis. I
> found a pressure 
> cooker, boiled about an inch of water in it, letting
> it vent 
> (hopefully) most of the air, and hooked a hose to a
> container with 
> Ethanol in it. I had removed the pressure gauge from
> the cooker, and 
> installed a vacuum gauge from an AirConditioner
> recharging set. I was 
> hoping that as the steam cooled, it would provide
> vacuum enough to 
> pull at least some of the Ethanol vapors to another
> container inline.
> It was a misuse of equipment and failed to work. The
> gasket in the 
> pressure cooker is made to hold pressure, NOT
> vacuum. I got 10 inches 
> of vacuum, and the seal sucked inside. Ethanol will
> not boil at 100F 
> with only 10 inches of vacuum. I want to keep the
> temp of the 
> fermenter low enough so the Yeast will survive and
> continue to 
> produce. Others have told me I need to keep the temp
> below 95F. I 
> still don't know how much vacuum will be needed. I
> haven't abandoned 
> the project, yet.
> 
> I had a link to someone who provides commercial
> systems for sale. I 
> can't locate it just now. They have everything from
> a Still to a 
> complete system including fermentation tanks and
> pumps, up to 1 
> million gallons/year.
> 
> If you find any further info, be sure to post it
> here.
> 
> Motie
> 
> 


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Re: [biofuel] Re: Warren Still Design - Still help

[Terry Wilhelm]

Some time ago I came across these plans and took an
interest just to see what other people were trying to
do.  I was not impressed with the design or its
safety. True, it was not an expensive project.
The Revenoor Co. has been building all copper stills
for over 26 years.  Many custom designs also.  We have
built many stills that were just someones idea to do
something different.

If there is anything we could help you with let us
know.
Regards,
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--- George & Lola Wessel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Hello gaw
> 
> The only part I am interested in is the automatic
> control.
> 
> What kind of control was it?
> Where was it installed?
> Where was the sensor probe placed?
> 
> I am working on building a fuel grade still and
> would be distilling 
> larger volumes of wort.  Wouldn't want to have to
> baby sit my still. Any 
> help would be appreciated
> 
> George
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > Keith is right about the fact you should not waste
> your time with the
> > Warren still. I bought the plans and built the
> unit and it does not
> > perform as it is claimed. It is also very
> expensive to build in
> > comparison with other units available off the web.
> I do however
> > disagree with the unsafe part of the denial. I
> found nothing more or
> > less unsafe about the unit, it was just extremely
> slow for the cost
> > and did not reach the purity as claime or which I
> needed. thanks gaw-
> > -- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >  > Hello Keith
> >  >
> >  > A few days back someone posted a message that
> said that a Robert
> > Warren had still design plans for sale and to
> check out your Journeys
> > to Forevers web site.  The article was under the
> name .../ethanol
> > robert1.html.
> >  >
> >  > I have searched your site for Robert Warren and
> all combinations
> > theirof.
> >  >
> >  > The message didn't have an email address, phone
> number or a mail
> > address to contact Mr Warren at.
> >  >
> >  > Could you tell me how to contact Mr Warren to
> purchase the plans
> > for his still.
> >  >
> >  > Thanks
> >  > George
> >  >
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Re: [biofuel] Continuous Transes/Ferm Processes - 1

[Terry Wilhelm]

Nicola
The continuous systems that we build run 24 hours a
day.  If you have a time problem just start the
batches at a later time so that they finish during the
time of the day that you want.

Hope  that helps
Regards,
Terry D. Wilhelm
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--- Nicola Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dear All,
> 
> Am I right in assuming that the continuous processes
> for transesterification
> and fermentation must be run 24 hours per day, or
> can they be suspended
> overnight and run from, say, 9am to 5pm.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Nicola
> 
> 


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Re: [biofuel] biofuelers/portland,or - answer

[Terry Wilhelm]

Hello Rawls

For Biodiesel contact Bill Isbister
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 503.591.0832 hes got the
biodiesel answers.

If you are interested in ethanol production you can
contact us.

The Revenoor Co 
503.662.4173
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Hope this helps

Regards,

Terry D. Wilhlem
--- Rawls Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> Does anyone know of commercial or home biofuelers in
> the area of Portland,
> OR?  I would like to talk to anyone who is in the
> area regarding biofuels.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> rawls
> 
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Re: [biofuel] My Ethanol Project - from Revenoor

[Terry Wilhelm]

 The Revenoor Co. produces a book called "Simple Sour Mash to Simple Alcohol 
Fuel".
It is  208 pages of step by step instructions on making alcohol, the 
distillation process, how to modify your engine to run on straight or mixed 
alcohol, the ATF forms required and lots of other info.
You can contact them at 503.662.4173 or Email [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The Revenoor Co. INC
www.revenoor.com
 
  Greg and April <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Try and find the book "Makin' It On 
The Farm", it is a start.  Check out the
local public library, I have yet to find one that did not have a few books
on the subject, if you have any problems at the library, tell the person at
the information desk about your project, and they should be able to get you
started in the right direction.

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To: 
Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2002 20:27
Subject: [biofuel] My Ethanol Project


> Hi everyone.  I'm a senior in high school and just joined this club.
> I'm trying to plan how to use fermentation to get ethanol that can be
> used as fuel or as gasohol.  I'm doing this for a science project,
> but also just because I want to and it's good for the environment.
> My only problem is with equipment.  Does anybody here know anything
> or know of any resources for the fermentation and distillation
> equipment?  Can it be built or do I have to buy it?  Does it cost a
> lot of money?  If anybody could help me or point me in the right
> direction, I would appreciate it very much.  Thanks.
>
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Re: [biofuel] Cheap Alcohol in Vermont? - 1

[Terry Wilhelm]

 Why dont you make your own?  After all this is what this is all about.
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England area of ethanol or methanol? I am trying to drop costs in my production 
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Re: [biofuel] Cheap Alcohol in Vermont? - 2

[Terry Wilhelm]

 agree Steve, did not mean to imply otherwise.  The permit is free from ATF and 
takes around 60 days.
Terry
  steve spence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: unless he gets the small fuel 
producer permit, he will find himself in more
trouble than a drug peddler.


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>
>  Why dont you make your own?  After all this is what this is all about.
> Terry D. Wilhelm
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Re: [Biofuel] US Ethanol fuel savings - Facts and more facts - ethanol increases mileage

[Terry Wilhelm]

Hello all, 

 I guess that after reading the postings here for several years that maybe I am 
able to offer 

some facts to offset some of the myths that we all seem to hear and read about.

 I’ll address Mike’s Email first:

 (I'm glad somebody posted this because the debate about ethanol is prompting a 
flurry of 

misleading information that is causing a great deal of confusion (maybe 
intentionally so) and 

frustration for me.  In addition to the cost argument mentioned in this thread, 
I've heard the 

following arguments pieced together by those who oppose ethanol production.

 1.)It takes seven gallons of ethanol for every one gallon of gasoline to 
get you from 

point "A" to point "B" (even if true it completely misses the point that oil 
WILL run out and 

that ethanol is a viable alternative and I need to explain how).)

 SIMPLY NOT TRUE.  While this may apply to methanol, and even then you need 
more than 

seven, this is just not the case with ethanol.  I have facts of ethanol 
increasing fuel mileage in my 

car.  More on this later.

 (2.) Ethanol production produces carbon dioxide (ignoring the waste products 
of cracking crude 

oil and the CO2 absorbed by the crops which will later become ethanol).)

 Carbon dioxide is what will be coming out of your tailpipe using ethanol.

 (I wish I could find something out there from a well known source that 
addresses these 

arguments (some of it looking like folklore) in a way that didn't make the 
reader pick through 

long, inch-thick reports. I need some ammunition to fight this "sea" of 
non-believers around 

me.  I might be asking for too much -- a few pages listing products of 

combustion, mileage stats, cost, environmental impacts of production, ideal 
crops for ethanol, 

amount of CO2 absorbed by crops and potential for sustaining those crops when 
oil runs out.)

 I have a ’67 el Camino, 427 auto trans.  Holley 750.  I have been running 
straight 160 – 180 proof

 alcohol in the car for sometime.  It even starts nice.  I also have a ’94 
Lincoln Mark VIII 4.6L DOHC 

fuel injected.  When I lived in San Diego, I could drive to Las Vegas, 105 
degree weather, AC full on 

and get around 28 mpg.  I added a Superchip and got up to 30 mpg.

 I have been producing and using my own ethanol from many different sources of 
products.  A lot

 for free.  Which using one of our company stills on electric heat means that 
we are producing ethanol 

at about 7 – 19 cents a gallon.  If you are buying corn and sugar at retail 
prices, you are around 

64 – 67 cents a gallon. Top that with a 58 cents a gallon tax credit and you 
can do the math.

Back to the Lincoln Mark VIII.  On 35 % ethanol, I have been running 34 mpg and 
have done nothing 

to the car other than keep a close eye on the fuel filter for the first few 
blended tanks.  I have replaced two filers.

 ("It's true that if you ran a gasoline engine on alcohol without first 
converting the engine, the air/fuel mixture 

would be extremely lean and the engine would run very hot, if it ran at all.  
The same thing would happen, 

even quicker, to a gasoline engine run severely lean.  At its proper air/fuel 
mixture, alcohol exhaust temperature 

should be 300-500 degrees F. cooler than gasoline exhaust at its proper air 
fuel mixture. . . .)

 There is a small amount of truth to the first sentence in regards to being 
lean, but not to run very hot.  If you 

do not do anything to the carb engine, (and I have not), it might be lean since 
the air/fuel ratio for ethanol 

is 5 points lower than gasoline.  However, if you take the hose off the gas 
tank and stick it into a jug with 

160 – 180, the first thing that you will notice is how much cooler the air flow 
through the radiator is and 

how much quieter the engine is now running.  Remember the amount of water that 
is in 160 – 180 proof 

alcohol.  It just doesn’t work that way.  The water content is cooling the 
cylinders.  We all remember

 the water injection of the years past.

 So if you just want to play a little, just run your lawn movers with the choke 
on full.  Works great.  

I teach a college class on ethanol production.  It seems like everyone just 
wants to fight over who 

gets the alcohol at the end of the class these days.

 Regards,

Terry Wilhelm

The Revenoor Company INC

www.revenoor.com 

 

 

 

 

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[biofuel] How Do You Figure Ethanol Octane?

[Terry Wilhelm]

Does anyone know of an equation for figuring the octane levels in different 
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Re: [Biofuel] Affordable Sources for bulk isopropyl alcohol

[Terry Wilhelm]

how many gallons of ethanol would you need for 100 gallons of veggie?

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:You do realize that isopropyl is only used for 
titration, so you don't need "bulk". What you need in bulk is methanol, to the 
tune of 10 gallons per 100 gallons of veggie oil, or thereabouts.

= = = Original message = = =

I'm Living in Virginia in the US and have recently begun homebrewing. I've 
run into some trouble finding affordable sources for bulk isopropyl alcohol 
of 99% purity. Can anyone share some sources with me. I'm also researching 
opening a BD fueling station, or delivery service. I'm conducting this 
research for my Undergrad Thesis and hope to begin to supply BD in the DC 
metro area if it is feasable. Let me know if you have any valuable resources 
for me.
Thanks
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[Biofuel] 2004 election voter guide

[Terry Wilhelm]

 
  Election Voter Guide  

  Depending on the way you lean, the following information  
  could have bearing on decisions you make in November 2004.

  Issues of Importance? 


  Gay Marriage  
  > >   
  President Bush is opposed 
  John Kerry favors 
  > >   
  > >   
  Partial-Birth Abortion
  > >   
  President Bush is opposed 
  John Kerry favors 
  > >   
  > >   
  Restoring voluntary prayer in the public schools  
  > >   
  President Bush Favors 
  John Kerry is Opposed 
  > >   
  > >   
  Boy Scouts' Stand on belief in God and not allowing Homosexual Scout  
  Leaders   
  > >   
  President Bush supports Boy Scouts' stand 
  John Kerry opposes Boy Scouts' stand  
  > >   
  > >   
  Asking for God's blessing on America  
  > >   
  President Bush often asks God to bless America in his speeches
  John Kerry attacks Bush for mentioning God so often   
  > >   
  > >   
  Federal Judges
  > >   
  President Bush says "We need common-sense judges who believe our 
rights   
  are derived from God."
  John Kerry insists on judges who support the radical anti-Christian,  
  anti-God, anti-family agenda. John Kerry is insistent on blocking 
  President Bush's Federal judicial appointments.   
  > >   
  > >   
  Assault on Mel Gibson for making film about Christ
  > >   
  President Bush supports Gibson
  John Kerry participated in Left's assault on Gibson, suggesting   
  possible anti-Semitism, even though Kerry said he had not seen the 
film.  
  > >   
  > >   

  Overall Record
  > >   
  President Bush does not vote on issues before Congress but, based on 
his  
  publicly stated positions, would receive an 85% conservative rating 
from  
  the American Conservative Union if he did.
  >>
  John Kerry, according to the highly respected, politically-neutral
  National Journal rates Kerry the most liberal U. S. Senator in 2003  
--   
  more liberal than Ted Ken

Re: [Biofuel] 2004 election voter guide - Whoops!

[Terry Wilhelm]

Wow guys
If you can believe this, I did not write that.  It was just an email running 
around the Internet.  Considering how this group likes to talk about the 
Administration, (usually one sided) I tought that you might find some humor in 
it.
 
But it seems like some people are not very opened minded like others of us that 
have been able to read your emails for the last four years about how much the 
Adminstration has screwed things up.
 
We shall see how ABC does in the end.
 
Regards to all,
Terry 
 
 

Brian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Gustl,

I agree entirely with your response. However, the good thing about hate is 
that it can be used to motivate those who do not hate to push for change. 
Terry does not realize how well e-mails such as his work to motivate those 
who are not of the religious right, and also probably does not realize that 
he is far from the mainstream or the majority. I plan to send this to all 
of my friends, and I am sure that they will send it to all of theirs. 
Together, we can defeat this kind of hatred and bigotry, and make the world 
a better place for us all.

Brian

- Original Message - 
From: "Gustl Steiner-Zehender" 
To: "Terry Wilhelm" 
Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 10:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] 2004 election voter guide


> Hallo ,
>
> Friday, 15 October, 2004, 09:43:10, you wrote:
>
>
> TW> Election Voter Guide
> TW> Depending on the way you lean, the following information
> TW> could have bearing on decisions you make in November 2004.
>
> TW> Issues of Importance?
>
> Not as stated. One liners may work for comedians but are generally
> useless and skewed when it comes to political debate and discussion.
> What this is is dishonest, misleading and inaccurate when it comes to
> either side of the fence and it also tends to take ones focus off what
> is really important and divert it to these piddling little issues of
> partisan distraction. An entirely unworthy effort.
>
> Happy Happy,
>
> Gustl
>
> TW> Gay Marriage
> TW> > >
> TW> President Bush is opposed
> TW> John Kerry favors
> TW> > >
> TW> > >
> TW> Partial-Birth Abortion
> TW> > >
> TW> President Bush is opposed
> TW> John Kerry favors
> TW> > >
> TW> > >
> TW> Restoring voluntary prayer in the public schools
> TW> > >
> TW> President Bush Favors
> TW> John Kerry is Opposed
> TW> > >
> TW> > >
> TW> Boy Scouts' Stand on belief in God and not allowing Homosexual Scout
> TW> Leaders
> TW> > >
> TW> President Bush supports Boy Scouts' stand
> TW> John Kerry opposes Boy Scouts' stand
> TW> > >
> TW> > >
> TW> Asking for God's blessing on America
> TW> > >
> TW> President Bush often asks God to bless America in his speeches
> TW> John Kerry attacks Bush for mentioning God so often
> TW> > >
> TW> > >
> TW> Federal Judges
> TW> > >
> TW> President Bush says "We need common-sense judges who believe our
> TW> rights
> TW> are derived from God."
> TW> John Kerry insists on judges who support the radical anti-Christian,
> TW> anti-God, anti-family agenda. John Kerry is insistent on blocking
> TW> President Bush's Federal judicial appointments.
> TW> > >
> TW> > >
> TW> Assault on Mel Gibson for making film about Christ
> TW> > >
> TW> President Bush supports Gibson
> TW> John Kerry participated in Left's assault on Gibson, suggesting
> TW> possible anti-Semitism, even though Kerry said he had not seen the
> TW> film.
> TW> > >
> TW> > >
>
> TW> Overall Record
> TW> > >
> TW> President Bush does not vote on issues before Congress but, based on
> TW> his
> TW> publicly stated positions, would receive an 85% conservative rating
> TW> from
> TW> the American Conservative Union if he did.
> TW> >>
> TW> John Kerry, according to the highly respected, politically-neutral
> TW> National Journal rates Kerry the most liberal U. S. Senator in 2003
> TW> --
> TW> more liberal than Ted Kennedy and/or Hillary Clinton.
> TW> > >
> TW> > >
> TW> With help from you and many others, the aim is to distribute
> TW> 25,000,000
> TW> of these
> TW> Election Voter Guides in e-mailboxes to voters across America.
> TW> > >
> TW> > >
> TW> If you want to help, please pass this on.
> TW> > >
> TW> > >
> TW> If you disagree, then do nothing to help - but DO vote your beliefs.
>

[Biofuel] College Class on Ethanol Production

[Terry Wilhelm]

Here's a link that might interest a few.

https://ccc-ias.chemeketa.edu/pls/cprd/bwckschd.p_disp_detail_sched?term_in=200430&crn_in=55326

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RE: [biofuel] Re: Ethanol from sugar cane:Thebest and worst technolgy

[Terry Wilhelm]

Hello

Your email was great.  I have spent alot of time traveling to India and talking 
with people in the Punjab area about the production of alcohol using our 
distillers.

If you would be interested, I would be happy to send you our catalog for you to 
look at.

If you are interested please provide us with a mailing address.

Regards,

Terry Wilhelm

The Revenoor Co.

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Re: [biofuel] Straight ethanol in gasoline engine

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150 to 160 proof works best if using straight alcohol in a engine.  If you plan 
to blend at any percent gasoline/ alcohol a higher proof works better.  If you 
are considering a carb automobile engine, I can recommend a shop that does a 
great job modifing carbs for straight alcohol will little cold starting 
problems.
 
Regards,
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Re: [biofuel] Ethanol distillation

[Terry Wilhelm]

My question is about registering with the Federal gov't for legal 
distillation for fuel alcohol.  If the individual goes through all 
the proper paper procedures and obtains the distillation permit, what 
can one expect from the gov't after this?

 

The only paperwork that is required for an Application and Permit For Alcohol 
Fuel Producer (form 5110.74).  At present this form is not on ATF’s/TTB website 
for download.  Just a phone call to the national center and they will put some 
in the mail to you.  I have never heard of anyone having been turned down nor 
have I ever heard of anyone having a government official show up to verify the 
permit.  There is not much to expect from the government after the permit 
process.  You do need to file a report at the end of the year stating how much 
alcohol you have produced.  I would guess that they bounce this information 
against what number that you file for tax credits.

 

Are you only allowed to produce "x" amount of ethanol per year for personal use?

 

A small producers permit allows 50,000 proof gallons a year.  Personal or 
otherwise.

 

Will the individual be expected to pay highway taxes on their own alcohol 
produced?  

 

There are no highway taxes on ethanol.  Just tax credits.

 

Does the gov't perform routine inspections on a person's personal still?  

 

I have never heard of a single inspection on a small producers permit.

 

Also, what would make a good denaturant?  

 

Some acceptable denaturants are: gasoline, kerosene, deodorized kerosene, 
rubber hydrocarbon solvent, methyl isobutyl and mixed isomers of nitropropane.

 

Final question to members-how does straight ethanol perform in fuel 
injected gasoline engines?  

 

Great !  You can go to GM, Dodge and Ford and buy it off the showroom floor.

 

Thanks.  Jonathan.  

 

Hope that this helps.

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Re: [biofuels-biz] young entrepreneur type

[Terry Wilhelm]

They have done it in Brazil.  Now its our turn.  There
is nothing to stop us and we intend on helping
everyone out to do just that.

Go get em Nathan

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> I'm a young entrepreneur type trying to figure out
> why every car on the
> street isn't running on 100% ethanol. From what I've
> found on the Web so
> far, I am led to believe that ethanol is the best
> thing since sliced bread,
> and the only reason it hasn't replaced gasoline as
> the fuel of choice is
> because most people haven't yet reached that higher
> stage of evolution when
> they throw their sliced bread into a big vat and let
> it ferment. What's the
> real story? What are the "cons" of ethanol use? What
> are the forces at work
> here? Are the only things standing in the way of
> wide-spread ethanol use the
> big wigs in the oil industry and the evil
> politicians in their pockets?
> 
> What's to stop me from opening up a 100% ethanol
> auto fueling station in Los
> Angeles? Why hasn't anyone done it yet? Or have
> they, and I just don't know
> about it?
> 
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Re: [biofuels-biz] Ethanol driven cars

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 The Revenoor Co. INC has shown that with 150-160 proof ethanol you will need 
to open the jets on a carb. engine about an additional 1/3.  This usually 
involves using a set of drills and a little experimenting.  Higher proof 
alcohol responds well to higher compression ratio's.  We have ran various 
engines with only fuel delivery modifications and no internal modifications.  
On smaller one cylinder engines you can usually just adjust the mixture screw 
enough.
Hope this helps.
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ethanol without modifying 
compression ratio? Does higher CR entail changing piston,clylinder 
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Re: [biofuels-biz] ethanol

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Yep, turn the mixture jet out a little.  It needs more fuel on alcohol.  Watch 
the fuel lines and filter.  New rubber lines would be a good idea and keep an 
eye on the neo filter.  Thats it.
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