Re: [Biofuel] Cause of New Plymouth biodiesel explosion released
Ah, couldn't tell The only reason I know any of this stuff is that I was once a professional mechanic - so I guess I'm one up on the average home-brewer - I've used a torch and know the dangers. Appal Energy wrote: Actually? I was more in agreement with your sentiments, not deriding your comments. Still, the obvious must be said. Home brew mindsets will not survive if gearing up for commercial outputs. Not saying that the homebrew mindset was the cause of inattention and the accident. But I am saying that those who have been doing this for awhile and are slowly moving to the commercial end need to take a crash course in combustible materials handling or else these types of accidents are going to continue. Todd Swearingen Mike Weaver wrote: It wasn't my intent to be insensitive. This was a case of operator error - a young man didn't realize the danger of methanol fumes and lost his life. Appal Energy wrote: It's sad to be making any comment on such a matter. Here you had a family that was on the edge of not only doing something great but putting themselves in an enormously better finanacial window to boot. Then the bottom falls out. I don't wish to insinuate anything about the owner/operators. But I can see and have seen where the backyard brewer mindset is being applied to commercial environements and is begging for accidents to happen. No containment. Open-face motors. Open reactors. Wood-fired boilers in close proximity to methanol or methanol fumes. It's one thing to spill a gallon here or lose a motor there or foul up in a small way somewhere else when you're working with a five or perhaps a 55 gallon pale. It's altogether another when you're handling thousands of gallons at a time. This is now two plants at least that have been lost to methanol related fire/explosions. I don't doubt that there will be more and perhaps already have been. At this scale making biodiesel requires as much concentration as walking a tightrope across the Royal Gorge with no balance bar. I have no doubt that a lot of people are going to fail to make that connection. Todd Swearingen Mike Weaver wrote: I feel sorry for the guy and his family but using a torch around methanol? Back in my wrenching days my boss made sure we knew an empty gas tank was more danergous than a full one, and god forbid you did any welding the gas tank had to be filled with water first. Appal Energy wrote: A bad day at Black Rock... http://www.ktvb.com/news/localnews/stories/ktvbn-jul1406-explosion_cause.113ae8b1.html Cause of New Plymouth biodiesel explosion released 02:30 PM MDT on Friday, July 14, 2006 KTVB.COM PAYETTE -- Investigators say they now know what caused an explosion at a New Plymouth biodiesel plant last week that killed a Meridian man. One man died at a fire and explosion at a New Plymouth biodiesel plant last Friday. The Payette County Sheriff's Office released its findings today into the explosion and subsequent fire at the plant that left 25-year-old Blaise Black dead. The cause of the fire was determined to be an explosion of a 25,000 gallon steel holding tank that Blaise was working on. The tank contain about 30 to 40 gallons of glycerin and methanol liquid mix. Both products are flammable and give off flammable vapors. Investigators say at the time of the explosion Blaise was working on the top of the tank attempting to install a two-inch steel pipe with a 90-degree elbow on the end to function as a vent on the top of the tank. During the installation of the vent tube a steel two-inch cap was removed from the side of the tank where the vent was to be installed. This allowed the vapors to escape from the tank. When Blaise lit his cutting torch it ignited the vapors, which triggered the fire and explosion. The Payette County coroner says Blaise it appears Blaise died from blunt force trauma as a result of the explosion. The explosion would have thrown him violently upward against the ceiling and a large beam that was above him. As a result of the explosion, the ceiling and beam came down and trapped him on the top of the tank. The force of the impact would have killed him immediately. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives
Re: [Biofuel] Cause of New Plymouth biodiesel explosion released
I to ment no disrespect, just pointing out that in many stories we read and hear common sence seems to be more and more a thing of the past. The other day I heard of a young carpenter that accidently shot himself on the head with a framing nail gun. It seemed to have jammed on him, you can guess the rest of the story. Fortunally he was not to badly hurt, the nail DID penitrate the skull but not by much. However a few inches one way or another and? I can't believe that he actually pushed the contact foot back with the thing still hooked up to air and something (finger ?) on or near the trigger. Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It wasn't my intent to be insensitive. This was a case of operator error - a young man didn't realize the danger of methanol fumesand lost his life. Appal Energy wrote:It's sad to be making any comment on such a matter. Here you had a family that was on the edge of not only doing something great but putting themselves in an enormously better finanacial window to boot. Then the bottom falls out.I don't wish to insinuate anything about the owner/operators. But I can see and have seen where the backyard brewer mindset is being applied to commercial environements and is begging for accidents to happen. No containment. Open-face motors. Open reactors. Wood-fired boilers in close proximity to methanol or methanol fumes.It's one thing to spill a gallon here or lose a motor there or foul up in a small way somewhere else when you're working with a five or perhaps a 55 gallon pale. It's altogether another when you're handling thousands of gallons at a time.This is now two plants at least that have been lost to methanol related fire/explosions. I don't doubt that there will be more and perhaps already have been.At this scale making biodiesel requires as much concentration as walking a tightrope across the Royal Gorge with no balance bar.I have no doubt that a lot of people are going to fail to make that connection.Todd SwearingenMike Weaver wrote: I feel sorry for the guy and his family but using a torch around methanol?Back in my wrenching days my boss made sure we knew an empty gas tank was more danergous than a full one, and god forbid you did anywelding the gas tank had to be filled with water first.Appal Energy wrote: A bad day at Black Rock...http://www.ktvb.com/news/localnews/stories/ktvbn-jul1406-explosion_cause.113ae8b1.html Cause of New Plymouth biodiesel explosion released 02:30 PM MDT on Friday, July 14, 2006KTVB.COMPAYETTE -- Investigators say they now know what caused an explosion at a New Plymouth biodiesel plant last week that killed a Meridian man.One man died at a fire and explosion at a New Plymouth biodiesel plant last Friday.The Payette County Sheriff's Office released its findings today into the explosion and subsequent fire at the plant that left 25-year-old Blaise Black dead.The cause of the fire was determined to be an explosion of a 25,000 gallon steel holding tank that Blaise was working on. The tank contain about 30 to 40 gallons of glycerin and methanol liquid mix. Both products are flammable and give off flammable vapors.Investigators say at the time of the explosion Blaise was working on the top of the tank attempting to install a two-inch steel pipe with a 90-degree elbow on the end to function as a vent on the top of the tank. During the installation of the vent tube a steel two-inch cap was removed from the side of the tank where the vent was to be installed. This allowed the vapors to escape from the tank. When Blaise lit his cutting torch it ignited the vapors, which triggered the fire and explosion.The Payette County coroner says Blaise it appears Blaise died from blunt force trauma as a result of the explosion.The explosion would have thrown him violently upward against the ceiling and a large beam that was above him. As a result of the explosion, the ceiling and beam came down and trapped him on the top of the tank. The force of the impact would have killed him immediately.___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to
Re: [Biofuel] Cause of New Plymouth biodiesel explosion released
It is worse than that. The device has a safety The "shoe" has to be depressed so you cant just shoot nails through the air. He depressed it with his head. Darwin awardKirkBill Ellis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I to ment no disrespect, just pointing out that in many stories we read and hear common sence seems to be more and more a thing of the past. The other day I heard of a young carpenter that accidently shot himself on the head with a framing nail gun. It seemed to have jammed on him, you can guess the rest of the story. Fortunally he was not to badly hurt, the nail DID penitrate the skull but not by much. However a few inches one way or another and? I can't believe that he actually pushed the contact foot back with the thing still hooked up to air and something (finger ?) on or near the trigger. Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It wasn't my intent to be insensitive. This was a case of operator error - a young man didn't realize the danger of methanol fumesand lost his life. Appal Energy wrote:It's sad to be making any comment on such a matter. Here you had a family that was on the edge of not only doing something great but putting themselves in an enormously better finanacial window to boot. Then the bottom falls out.I don't wish to insinuate anything about the owner/operators. But I can see and have seen where the backyard brewer mindset is being applied to commercial environements and is begging for accidents to happen. No containment. Open-face motors. Open reactors. Wood-fired boilers in close proximity to methanol or methanol fumes.It's one thing to spill a gallon here or lose a motor there or foul up in a small way somewhere else when you're working with a five or perhaps a 55 gallon pale. It's altogether another when you're handling thousands of gallons at a time.This is now two plants at least that have been lost to methanol related fire/explosions. I don't doubt that there will be more and perhaps already have been.At this scale making biodiesel requires as much concentration as walking a tightrope across the Royal Gorge with no balance bar.I have no doubt that a lot of people are going to fail to make that connection.Todd SwearingenMike Weaver wrote: How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messengers low PC-to-Phone call rates.___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Cause of New Plymouth biodiesel explosion released
I was 19 or so. I got too close to a fuel tank (2-3) feet with a cutting wheel on a Ingersol air rotary. I was cutting off the exhaust system. He smacked me in the back of the head with his rather large hand, put his cigar-chomping face into mine and explained the facts of gas, fumes, flames and explosions. He then offered to slap me into next week if I had any problems with it. Needless to say, the lesson took. Bill Ellis wrote: Hey Mike, Ditto on the water filled gas tank, course back then it seems folks had just a smidge more in the common sense department. In addition if my boss had caught me even close to a gas tank with a torch I would have been in the unemployment line. */Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: I feel sorry for the guy and his family but using a torch around methanol? Back in my wrenching days my boss made sure we knew an empty gas tank was more danergous than a full one, and god forbid you did any welding the gas tank had to be filled with water first. Appal Energy wrote: A bad day at Black Rock... http://www.ktvb.com/news/localnews/stories/ktvbn-jul1406-explosion_cause.113ae8b1.html Cause of New Plymouth biodiesel explosion released 02:30 PM MDT on Friday, July 14, 2006 KTVB.COM PAYETTE -- Investigators say they now know what caused an explosion at a New Plymouth biodiesel plant last week that killed a Meridian man. One man died at a fire and explosion at a New Plymouth biodiesel plant last Friday. The Payette County Sheriff's Office released its findings today into the explosion and subsequent fire at the plant that left 25-year-old Blaise Black dead. The cause of the fire was determined to be an explosion of a 25,000 gallon steel holding tank that Blaise was working on. The tank contain about 30 to 40 gallons of glycerin and methanol liquid mix. Both products are flammable and give off flammable vapors. Investigators say at the time of the explosion Blaise was working on the top of the tank attempting to install a two-inch steel pipe with a 90-degree elbow on the end to function as a vent on the top of the tank. During the installation of the vent tube a steel two-inch cap was removed from the side of the tank where the vent was to be installed. This allowed the vapors to escape from the tank. When Blaise lit his cutting torch it ignited the vapors, which triggered the fire and explosion. The Payette County coroner says Blaise it appears Blaise died from blunt force trauma as a result of the explosion. The explosion would have thrown him violently upward against the ceiling and a large beam that was above him. As a result of the explosion, the ceiling and beam came down and trapped him on the top of the tank. The force of the impact would have killed him immediately. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ /Wildbill/ /Sutton.VT / Groups are talking. We´re listening. Check out the handy changes to Yahoo! Groups. http://pa.yahoo.com/*http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=41144/*http://groups.yahoo.com/local/newemail.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html
Re: [Biofuel] Cause of New Plymouth biodiesel explosion released
It's sad to be making any comment on such a matter. Here you had a family that was on the edge of not only doing something great but putting themselves in an enormously better finanacial window to boot. Then the bottom falls out. I don't wish to insinuate anything about the owner/operators. But I can see and have seen where the backyard brewer mindset is being applied to commercial environements and is begging for accidents to happen. No containment. Open-face motors. Open reactors. Wood-fired boilers in close proximity to methanol or methanol fumes. It's one thing to spill a gallon here or lose a motor there or foul up in a small way somewhere else when you're working with a five or perhaps a 55 gallon pale. It's altogether another when you're handling thousands of gallons at a time. This is now two plants at least that have been lost to methanol related fire/explosions. I don't doubt that there will be more and perhaps already have been. At this scale making biodiesel requires as much concentration as walking a tightrope across the Royal Gorge with no balance bar. I have no doubt that a lot of people are going to fail to make that connection. Todd Swearingen Mike Weaver wrote: I feel sorry for the guy and his family but using a torch around methanol? Back in my wrenching days my boss made sure we knew an empty gas tank was more danergous than a full one, and god forbid you did any welding the gas tank had to be filled with water first. Appal Energy wrote: A bad day at Black Rock... http://www.ktvb.com/news/localnews/stories/ktvbn-jul1406-explosion_cause.113ae8b1.html Cause of New Plymouth biodiesel explosion released 02:30 PM MDT on Friday, July 14, 2006 KTVB.COM PAYETTE -- Investigators say they now know what caused an explosion at a New Plymouth biodiesel plant last week that killed a Meridian man. One man died at a fire and explosion at a New Plymouth biodiesel plant last Friday. The Payette County Sheriff's Office released its findings today into the explosion and subsequent fire at the plant that left 25-year-old Blaise Black dead. The cause of the fire was determined to be an explosion of a 25,000 gallon steel holding tank that Blaise was working on. The tank contain about 30 to 40 gallons of glycerin and methanol liquid mix. Both products are flammable and give off flammable vapors. Investigators say at the time of the explosion Blaise was working on the top of the tank attempting to install a two-inch steel pipe with a 90-degree elbow on the end to function as a vent on the top of the tank. During the installation of the vent tube a steel two-inch cap was removed from the side of the tank where the vent was to be installed. This allowed the vapors to escape from the tank. When Blaise lit his cutting torch it ignited the vapors, which triggered the fire and explosion. The Payette County coroner says Blaise it appears Blaise died from blunt force trauma as a result of the explosion. The explosion would have thrown him violently upward against the ceiling and a large beam that was above him. As a result of the explosion, the ceiling and beam came down and trapped him on the top of the tank. The force of the impact would have killed him immediately. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Cause of New Plymouth biodiesel explosion released
It wasn't my intent to be insensitive. This was a case of operator error - a young man didn't realize the danger of methanol fumes and lost his life. Appal Energy wrote: It's sad to be making any comment on such a matter. Here you had a family that was on the edge of not only doing something great but putting themselves in an enormously better finanacial window to boot. Then the bottom falls out. I don't wish to insinuate anything about the owner/operators. But I can see and have seen where the backyard brewer mindset is being applied to commercial environements and is begging for accidents to happen. No containment. Open-face motors. Open reactors. Wood-fired boilers in close proximity to methanol or methanol fumes. It's one thing to spill a gallon here or lose a motor there or foul up in a small way somewhere else when you're working with a five or perhaps a 55 gallon pale. It's altogether another when you're handling thousands of gallons at a time. This is now two plants at least that have been lost to methanol related fire/explosions. I don't doubt that there will be more and perhaps already have been. At this scale making biodiesel requires as much concentration as walking a tightrope across the Royal Gorge with no balance bar. I have no doubt that a lot of people are going to fail to make that connection. Todd Swearingen Mike Weaver wrote: I feel sorry for the guy and his family but using a torch around methanol? Back in my wrenching days my boss made sure we knew an empty gas tank was more danergous than a full one, and god forbid you did any welding the gas tank had to be filled with water first. Appal Energy wrote: A bad day at Black Rock... http://www.ktvb.com/news/localnews/stories/ktvbn-jul1406-explosion_cause.113ae8b1.html Cause of New Plymouth biodiesel explosion released 02:30 PM MDT on Friday, July 14, 2006 KTVB.COM PAYETTE -- Investigators say they now know what caused an explosion at a New Plymouth biodiesel plant last week that killed a Meridian man. One man died at a fire and explosion at a New Plymouth biodiesel plant last Friday. The Payette County Sheriff's Office released its findings today into the explosion and subsequent fire at the plant that left 25-year-old Blaise Black dead. The cause of the fire was determined to be an explosion of a 25,000 gallon steel holding tank that Blaise was working on. The tank contain about 30 to 40 gallons of glycerin and methanol liquid mix. Both products are flammable and give off flammable vapors. Investigators say at the time of the explosion Blaise was working on the top of the tank attempting to install a two-inch steel pipe with a 90-degree elbow on the end to function as a vent on the top of the tank. During the installation of the vent tube a steel two-inch cap was removed from the side of the tank where the vent was to be installed. This allowed the vapors to escape from the tank. When Blaise lit his cutting torch it ignited the vapors, which triggered the fire and explosion. The Payette County coroner says Blaise it appears Blaise died from blunt force trauma as a result of the explosion. The explosion would have thrown him violently upward against the ceiling and a large beam that was above him. As a result of the explosion, the ceiling and beam came down and trapped him on the top of the tank. The force of the impact would have killed him immediately. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):
Re: [Biofuel] Cause of New Plymouth biodiesel explosion released
Actually? I was more in agreement with your sentiments, not deriding your comments. Still, the obvious must be said. Home brew mindsets will not survive if gearing up for commercial outputs. Not saying that the homebrew mindset was the cause of inattention and the accident. But I am saying that those who have been doing this for awhile and are slowly moving to the commercial end need to take a crash course in combustible materials handling or else these types of accidents are going to continue. Todd Swearingen Mike Weaver wrote: It wasn't my intent to be insensitive. This was a case of operator error - a young man didn't realize the danger of methanol fumes and lost his life. Appal Energy wrote: It's sad to be making any comment on such a matter. Here you had a family that was on the edge of not only doing something great but putting themselves in an enormously better finanacial window to boot. Then the bottom falls out. I don't wish to insinuate anything about the owner/operators. But I can see and have seen where the backyard brewer mindset is being applied to commercial environements and is begging for accidents to happen. No containment. Open-face motors. Open reactors. Wood-fired boilers in close proximity to methanol or methanol fumes. It's one thing to spill a gallon here or lose a motor there or foul up in a small way somewhere else when you're working with a five or perhaps a 55 gallon pale. It's altogether another when you're handling thousands of gallons at a time. This is now two plants at least that have been lost to methanol related fire/explosions. I don't doubt that there will be more and perhaps already have been. At this scale making biodiesel requires as much concentration as walking a tightrope across the Royal Gorge with no balance bar. I have no doubt that a lot of people are going to fail to make that connection. Todd Swearingen Mike Weaver wrote: I feel sorry for the guy and his family but using a torch around methanol? Back in my wrenching days my boss made sure we knew an empty gas tank was more danergous than a full one, and god forbid you did any welding the gas tank had to be filled with water first. Appal Energy wrote: A bad day at Black Rock... http://www.ktvb.com/news/localnews/stories/ktvbn-jul1406-explosion_cause.113ae8b1.html Cause of New Plymouth biodiesel explosion released 02:30 PM MDT on Friday, July 14, 2006 KTVB.COM PAYETTE -- Investigators say they now know what caused an explosion at a New Plymouth biodiesel plant last week that killed a Meridian man. One man died at a fire and explosion at a New Plymouth biodiesel plant last Friday. The Payette County Sheriff's Office released its findings today into the explosion and subsequent fire at the plant that left 25-year-old Blaise Black dead. The cause of the fire was determined to be an explosion of a 25,000 gallon steel holding tank that Blaise was working on. The tank contain about 30 to 40 gallons of glycerin and methanol liquid mix. Both products are flammable and give off flammable vapors. Investigators say at the time of the explosion Blaise was working on the top of the tank attempting to install a two-inch steel pipe with a 90-degree elbow on the end to function as a vent on the top of the tank. During the installation of the vent tube a steel two-inch cap was removed from the side of the tank where the vent was to be installed. This allowed the vapors to escape from the tank. When Blaise lit his cutting torch it ignited the vapors, which triggered the fire and explosion. The Payette County coroner says Blaise it appears Blaise died from blunt force trauma as a result of the explosion. The explosion would have thrown him violently upward against the ceiling and a large beam that was above him. As a result of the explosion, the ceiling and beam came down and trapped him on the top of the tank. The force of the impact would have killed him immediately. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
[Biofuel] Cause of New Plymouth biodiesel explosion released
A bad day at Black Rock... http://www.ktvb.com/news/localnews/stories/ktvbn-jul1406-explosion_cause.113ae8b1.html Cause of New Plymouth biodiesel explosion released 02:30 PM MDT on Friday, July 14, 2006 KTVB.COM PAYETTE -- Investigators say they now know what caused an explosion at a New Plymouth biodiesel plant last week that killed a Meridian man. One man died at a fire and explosion at a New Plymouth biodiesel plant last Friday. The Payette County Sheriff's Office released its findings today into the explosion and subsequent fire at the plant that left 25-year-old Blaise Black dead. The cause of the fire was determined to be an explosion of a 25,000 gallon steel holding tank that Blaise was working on. The tank contain about 30 to 40 gallons of glycerin and methanol liquid mix. Both products are flammable and give off flammable vapors. Investigators say at the time of the explosion Blaise was working on the top of the tank attempting to install a two-inch steel pipe with a 90-degree elbow on the end to function as a vent on the top of the tank. During the installation of the vent tube a steel two-inch cap was removed from the side of the tank where the vent was to be installed. This allowed the vapors to escape from the tank. When Blaise lit his cutting torch it ignited the vapors, which triggered the fire and explosion. The Payette County coroner says Blaise it appears Blaise died from blunt force trauma as a result of the explosion. The explosion would have thrown him violently upward against the ceiling and a large beam that was above him. As a result of the explosion, the ceiling and beam came down and trapped him on the top of the tank. The force of the impact would have killed him immediately. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Cause of New Plymouth biodiesel explosion released
I feel sorry for the guy and his family but using a torch around methanol? Back in my wrenching days my boss made sure we knew an empty gas tank was more danergous than a full one, and god forbid you did any welding the gas tank had to be filled with water first. Appal Energy wrote: A bad day at Black Rock... http://www.ktvb.com/news/localnews/stories/ktvbn-jul1406-explosion_cause.113ae8b1.html Cause of New Plymouth biodiesel explosion released 02:30 PM MDT on Friday, July 14, 2006 KTVB.COM PAYETTE -- Investigators say they now know what caused an explosion at a New Plymouth biodiesel plant last week that killed a Meridian man. One man died at a fire and explosion at a New Plymouth biodiesel plant last Friday. The Payette County Sheriff's Office released its findings today into the explosion and subsequent fire at the plant that left 25-year-old Blaise Black dead. The cause of the fire was determined to be an explosion of a 25,000 gallon steel holding tank that Blaise was working on. The tank contain about 30 to 40 gallons of glycerin and methanol liquid mix. Both products are flammable and give off flammable vapors. Investigators say at the time of the explosion Blaise was working on the top of the tank attempting to install a two-inch steel pipe with a 90-degree elbow on the end to function as a vent on the top of the tank. During the installation of the vent tube a steel two-inch cap was removed from the side of the tank where the vent was to be installed. This allowed the vapors to escape from the tank. When Blaise lit his cutting torch it ignited the vapors, which triggered the fire and explosion. The Payette County coroner says Blaise it appears Blaise died from blunt force trauma as a result of the explosion. The explosion would have thrown him violently upward against the ceiling and a large beam that was above him. As a result of the explosion, the ceiling and beam came down and trapped him on the top of the tank. The force of the impact would have killed him immediately. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Cause of New Plymouth biodiesel explosion released
Here's another trick. When I added a float switch to my hot water tank to interlock the heter element, the tank had already been used many times for biodiesel. I evacuated all the air from the tank and then backfilled it with inert gas before welding. If you have a MIG welder and you have inert gas it is easy to do this. Joe Mike Weaver wrote: I feel sorry for the guy and his family but using a torch around methanol? Back in my wrenching days my boss made sure we knew an empty gas tank was more danergous than a full one, and god forbid you did any welding the gas tank had to be filled with water first. Appal Energy wrote: A bad day at Black Rock... http://www.ktvb.com/news/localnews/stories/ktvbn-jul1406-explosion_cause.113ae8b1.html Cause of New Plymouth biodiesel explosion released 02:30 PM MDT on Friday, July 14, 2006 KTVB.COM PAYETTE -- Investigators say they now know what caused an explosion at a New Plymouth biodiesel plant last week that killed a Meridian man. One man died at a fire and explosion at a New Plymouth biodiesel plant last Friday. The Payette County Sheriff's Office released its findings today into the explosion and subsequent fire at the plant that left 25-year-old Blaise Black dead. The cause of the fire was determined to be an explosion of a 25,000 gallon steel holding tank that Blaise was working on. The tank contain about 30 to 40 gallons of glycerin and methanol liquid mix. Both products are flammable and give off flammable vapors. Investigators say at the time of the explosion Blaise was working on the top of the tank attempting to install a two-inch steel pipe with a 90-degree elbow on the end to function as a vent on the top of the tank. During the installation of the vent tube a steel two-inch cap was removed from the side of the tank where the vent was to be installed. This allowed the vapors to escape from the tank. When Blaise lit his cutting torch it ignited the vapors, which triggered the fire and explosion. The Payette County coroner says Blaise it appears Blaise died from blunt force trauma as a result of the explosion. The explosion would have thrown him violently upward against the ceiling and a large beam that was above him. As a result of the explosion, the ceiling and beam came down and trapped him on the top of the tank. The force of the impact would have killed him immediately. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Cause of New Plymouth biodiesel explosion released
Hey Mike,Ditto on the water filled gas tank, course back then it seems folks had just a smidge more in the common sense department. In addition if my boss had caught me even close to a gas tank with a torch I would have been in the unemployment line. Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I feel sorry for the guy and his family but using a torch around methanol?Back in my wrenching days my boss made sure we knew an empty gas tank was more danergous than a full one, and god forbid you did anywelding the gas tank had to be filled with water first.Appal Energy wrote:A bad day at Black Rock...http://www.ktvb.com/news/localnews/stories/ktvbn-jul1406-explosion_cause.113ae8b1.html Cause of New Plymouth biodiesel explosion released 02:30 PM MDT on Friday, July 14, 2006KTVB.COMPAYETTE -- Investigators say they now know what caused an explosion at a New Plymouth biodiesel plant last week that killed a Meridian man.One man died at a fire and explosion at a New Plymouth biodiesel plant last Friday.The Payette County Sheriff's Office released its findings today into the explosion and subsequent fire at the plant that left 25-year-old Blaise Black dead.The cause of the fire was determined to be an explosion of a 25,000 gallon steel holding tank that Blaise was working on. The tank contain about 30 to 40 gallons of glycerin and methanol liquid mix. Both products are flammable and give off flammable vapors.Investigators say at the time of the explosion Blaise was working on the top of the tank attempting to install a two-inch steel pipe with a 90-degree elbow on the end to function as a vent on the top of the tank. During the installation of the vent tube a steel two-inch cap was removed from the side of the tank where the vent was to be installed. This allowed the vapors to escape from the tank. When Blaise lit his cutting torch it ignited the vapors, which triggered the fire and explosion.The Payette County coroner says Blaise it appears Blaise died from blunt force trauma as a result of the explosion.The explosion would have thrown him violently upward against the ceiling and a large beam that was above him. As a result of the explosion, the ceiling and beam came down and trapped him on the top of the tank. The force of the impact would have killed him immediately.___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/Wildbill Sutton.VT Groups are talking. Were listening. Check out the handy changes to Yahoo! Groups. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
