Re: [Biofuel] Grass Bioenergy
Good point. Not very. Remember the ex-convict in Shawshanks Redemption who couldn't take freedom and hanged himself? Are you suggesting we should accept limitations like this? Or even take due account of it in our own lives, or in our efforts to build a more sustainable world? This what we're talking about, remember: Actually there are already plans to cultivate grass as energy fuel. But dedicated cultivation is not always the best solution. I mean, if we can simply harvest grass from waste land or unoccupied land, that will be making good use of waste! In nature there is no such thing as waste, that's a human invention and it doesn't have much of a future. Are we going to risk denuding or destroying any land we might happen to think is not useful to us in our cocoons? I like living in nature a bit more (now that spring is here, I'm moving out of my rented place in town, and back up to my school bus in the mountains near the creek). But I know alot of people who can't stand being deprived of running water, central heating, flush toilets, etc It's sort of funny seeing the city people who move up to Ward (a rather odd mountain town here, where half the houses still don't have running water, though most have grid electricity), and run screaming back to town within a few months :) Jumping in at the deep end isn't the best way for everyone, they might do better with a few swimming lessons first. It's not easy to change your ways when it's what you've been used to all your life, but it's not impossible either. Maybe the people you talk of had foolish dreams of Arcadia, but would you say the impetus behind the dream is foolish? Same as yours, isn't it? They went about it wrong, that's all. Z On 3/31/06, Rexis Tree [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I somehow disagree that we human being as a part of the biosphere, most human have to live in their own human biosphere where they will remove everything that irritates them. They're just going to have to learn, because it's not just them, their choices have a negative impact on others and on everybody. If you throw a city person into a jungle, how long he could survive! Long ago I sometimes used to ask myself that about people, when it seemed an apt question. There's a region in South Africa called the Wild Coast, well named, you could lose an army there. I'd ask myself how long this person would last if you dumped them in the middle of the Wild Coast by helicopter and just left them there with nothing. I knew it was a very unfair question, why should anyone have to pass such a test? It told me quite a lot about them though, but in a few cases my answer of 10 minutes or whatever was quite wrong, those people turned out to be much more capable than they at first appeared, more capable than they themselves knew. But some of the tough ones went down. You never can tell. Just like you put a wild animal in the middle of the city. There are plenty of wild animals living happily in the middle of cities. Nature doesn't just stop at the city borders, it goes straight through. It doesn't stop at your skin either. Most of us are not that compatible with the nature. Most of the people in the world now still live closer to nature than not, they never left it in the first place, and most of them don't want to leave it either, they usually have to be forced (impoverished or dispossessed). Nature isn't just all that green stuff out there full of inconvenience and other wild beasts, it's the nature of everything, including you. If you're a stranger to nature you're a stranger to yourself. How many gardeners and city farmers in your city? Are there any movements to green your city? Rooftop gardens are excellent and they save energy. If you planted jatropha and moringa trees along the streets and the rail lines and so on they'd look great and help the air-pollution and maybe you could make enough biodiesel to run the buses. In case you jump to the wrong conclusion I'm a city boy born and bred, I spent my first 25 years in cities and another 11 scattered years in cities since then, and 24 years not in cities. But I've never been cut off from nature, or incompatible with nature, or not for long. Best Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Grass Bioenergy
HI Bob, The turf we looked at in Ireland is a very early stage of browncoal, and yes its a more solid state than hay or grass, greetings Martin- Original Message From: Bob Molloy [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Saturday, April 1, 2006 6:39:47 AMSubject: Re: [Biofuel] Grass Bioenergy No Martin, turf as in sportsground surface may be pressed grass but turf a la the Emerald Isle (dunno 'bout Russia) is very definitely not.It is the early stages of coal, in fact it is a brown coal. To describe coal as pressed grass is stretching the category a bit, by a few millions years I'd guess. Regards, Bob. - Original Message - From: martin roozenburg To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 8:12 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Grass Bioenergy In Europe a lot of the energy plants use TURF which is of course pressed grass, (Ireland Russia) in Scandinavia they use in threre roastbedfurnace pellets comming from Holland made from waste; chopped plastic, textile, wood,paper, board, etc, (solid fuel) these pellets reach the calloric value of coal and are replacing the coal in the furnace. greetings Martin Roozenburg- Original Message From: Don Wells [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Friday, March 31, 2006 7:26:16 AMSubject: Re: [Biofuel] Grass BioenergyTony Marzolino wrote: Tony Marzolino [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone have any additional information on grass as a bio-fuel and the conversion into pellets as the site below suggests? The site does not have much detail information (capital investment, process, market, etc). It looks interesting!!! Any thoughts? http://www.grassbioenergy.org/ The best thing about this Cornell web site is the 'Demonstration' page, which summarizes a set of experiments with burning grass pellets in various real stoves and furnaces. The issue involved is the fairly high ash content of cool season grass. Canadians have researched this subject of burning grass pellets. Do a Google search on "switchgrass pellet stoves canada" and you will find some of their web pages.You should be aware that grass is being burned in some coal-fired electric power plants. Up to 10% grass is burned with the coal. Currently a power plant near Ottumwa, Iowa is running a trial of this idea; they burn 2.5% switchgrass, in the form of big bales. I am aware of another power plant project which will use pellets. -Don Wells-Inline Attachment Follows- begin:vcardfn:Don Wellsn:Wells;Donadr:;;;Charlottesville;VA;;USAemail;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED]tel;cell:+1-434-962-3363url:http://home.earthlink.net/~dwellscho/version:2.1end:vcard ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Grass Bioenergy
Hear about the Coyotes running around in NYC's Central Park? Hal, the coyote, in Central Park http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/special_packages/sunday_review/14186236.htm I disagree that it's a problem, but of course the cops had to chase him for 3+ days...Don't worry there are more...It wasn't just Wile E Coyote that was wily, they all are. I do agree with Keith that we all live in nature whether it's an asphalt jungle or the Amazon basin. The town I live in (Summerville, SC) is a suburban jungle, where many people have gardens, chickens and goats. I can walk to a horse or cow pasture in 5 minutes. There are foxes and rabbits living among us. The bunnies especially like to hide in all the Azaleas. Not that we don't have Walmart and mcmansions, but I think we've always been a green town. We have coyotes in South Carolina because they've gone nationwide. http://www.dnr.sc.gov/wildlife/coyote/index.html and I'm sure I've seen several. As well as Carolina Dogs or The American Dingo http://www.carolinadogs.com/ which are amazing dogs. A friend of mine found one and he later realized that he was a carolina dog. On 4/1/06, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good point. Not very. Remember the ex-convict in Shawshanks Redemption who couldn't take freedom and hanged himself? Are you suggesting we should accept limitations like this? Or even take due account of it in our own lives, or in our efforts to build a more sustainable world? This what we're talking about, remember: Actually there are already plans to cultivate grass as energy fuel. But dedicated cultivation is not always the best solution. I mean, if we can simply harvest grass from waste land or unoccupied land, that will be making good use of waste! In nature there is no such thing as waste, that's a human invention and it doesn't have much of a future. Are we going to risk denuding or destroying any land we might happen to think is not useful to us in our cocoons? I like living in nature a bit more (now that spring is here, I'm moving out of my rented place in town, and back up to my school bus in the mountains near the creek). But I know alot of people who can't stand being deprived of running water, central heating, flush toilets, etc It's sort of funny seeing the city people who move up to Ward (a rather odd mountain town here, where half the houses still don't have running water, though most have grid electricity), and run screaming back to town within a few months :) Jumping in at the deep end isn't the best way for everyone, they might do better with a few swimming lessons first. It's not easy to change your ways when it's what you've been used to all your life, but it's not impossible either. Maybe the people you talk of had foolish dreams of Arcadia, but would you say the impetus behind the dream is foolish? Same as yours, isn't it? They went about it wrong, that's all. Z On 3/31/06, Rexis Tree [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I somehow disagree that we human being as a part of the biosphere, most human have to live in their own human biosphere where they will remove everything that irritates them. They're just going to have to learn, because it's not just them, their choices have a negative impact on others and on everybody. If you throw a city person into a jungle, how long he could survive! Long ago I sometimes used to ask myself that about people, when it seemed an apt question. There's a region in South Africa called the Wild Coast, well named, you could lose an army there. I'd ask myself how long this person would last if you dumped them in the middle of the Wild Coast by helicopter and just left them there with nothing. I knew it was a very unfair question, why should anyone have to pass such a test? It told me quite a lot about them though, but in a few cases my answer of 10 minutes or whatever was quite wrong, those people turned out to be much more capable than they at first appeared, more capable than they themselves knew. But some of the tough ones went down. You never can tell. Just like you put a wild animal in the middle of the city. There are plenty of wild animals living happily in the middle of cities. Nature doesn't just stop at the city borders, it goes straight through. It doesn't stop at your skin either. Most of us are not that compatible with the nature. Most of the people in the world now still live closer to nature than not, they never left it in the first place, and most of them don't want to leave it either, they usually have to be forced (impoverished or dispossessed). Nature isn't just all that green stuff out there full of inconvenience and other wild beasts, it's the nature of everything, including you. If you're a stranger to nature you're a stranger to yourself. How many gardeners and city farmers in your city? Are there any movements to green your city? Rooftop gardens are excellent and they
Re: [Biofuel] Grass Bioenergy
Jason Katie wrote: Mr. Wells, you are from Iowa? I went to school in Ottumwa at IHCC. No. I am originally from southeastern Texas. I posted because we had a biofuels forum here in Charlottesville,VA on 03-30, and one of the speakers was an engineer of the VA consulting company on the project at Ottumwa, and he showed photos of the facility and described it in detail. However, I have yet another improbable connection to that power plant. In January 2004, two years ago, I and 23 other Virginians drove to Burlington,IA to work for the Howard Dean caucus campaign in southeastern Iowa (the part of Iowa closest to Virginia, shortest drive for us). After we got there part of our team, including me, were asked to go work in Ottumwa, 90min drive west. We did. I and my partner elected to stay for the caucus evening, and we were asked to be poll watchers, and were sent to the precinct meeting in Kirkville, in Wapallo County, to observe the caucus. There were 24 adult voters in that precinct. It was a wonderful experience. That coal-fired power plant is along the road between Ottumwa and Kirkville, and is an impressive sight at night. When I told this story to the engineer, he told me that he was probably present at the power plant that night! -Don begin:vcard fn:Don Wells n:Wells;Don adr:;;;Charlottesville;VA;;USA email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] tel;cell:+1-434-962-3363 url:http://home.earthlink.net/~dwellscho/ version:2.1 end:vcard ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Grass Bioenergy
In Europe a lot of the energy plants use TURF which is of course pressed grass, (Ireland Russia) in Scandinavia they use in threre roastbedfurnace pellets comming from Holland made from waste; chopped plastic, textile, wood,paper, board, etc, (solid fuel) these pellets reach the calloric value of coal and are replacing the coal in the furnace. greetings Martin Roozenburg- Original Message From: Don Wells [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Friday, March 31, 2006 7:26:16 AMSubject: Re: [Biofuel] Grass BioenergyTony Marzolino wrote: Tony Marzolino [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone have any additional information on grass as a bio-fuel and the conversion into pellets as the site below suggests? The site does not have much detail information (capital investment, process, market, etc). It looks interesting!!! Any thoughts? http://www.grassbioenergy.org/ The best thing about this Cornell web site is the 'Demonstration' page, which summarizes a set of experiments with burning grass pellets in various real stoves and furnaces. The issue involved is the fairly high ash content of cool season grass. Canadians have researched this subject of burning grass pellets. Do a Google search on "switchgrass pellet stoves canada" and you will find some of their web pages.You should be aware that grass is being burned in some coal-fired electric power plants. Up to 10% grass is burned with the coal. Currently a power plant near Ottumwa, Iowa is running a trial of this idea; they burn 2.5% switchgrass, in the form of big bales. I am aware of another power plant project which will use pellets. -Don Wells-Inline Attachment Follows- begin:vcardfn:Don Wellsn:Wells;Donadr:;;;Charlottesville;VA;;USAemail;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED]tel;cell:+1-434-962-3363url:http://home.earthlink.net/~dwellscho/version:2.1end:vcard ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Grass Bioenergy
I have yet to go thru the entire website but i found that this is very interesting! Actually there are already plans to cultivate grass as energy fuel. But dedicated cultivation is not always the best solution. I mean, if we can simply harvest grass from waste land or unoccupied land, that will be making good use of waste! Waste in whose opinion? Unoccupied by whom? The land and whatever lives on it isn't just there for us to use or waste as we might see fit. If it has grass growing on it then it's a part of the biosphere as much as you are. Sure, harvest the grass, but make sure you do whatever's necessary to maintain the soil life and the soil cover or you'll kill that land. The point of using biofuels is that they're supposed to be sustainable, so even with so-called waste land it has to be done in a sustainable way. Best wishes Keith http://www.planetark.com/dailynewsstory.cfm/newsid/15235/story.htm We should discuss in using grass as biofuel here. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Grass Bioenergy
martin roozenburg wrote: In Europe a lot of the energy plants use TURF which is of course pressed grass, (Ireland Russia) in Scandinavia they use in threre roastbedfurnace pellets comming from Holland made from waste; chopped plastic, textile, wood,paper, board, etc, (solid fuel) these pellets reach the calloric value of coal and are replacing the coal in the furnace.. Yes. The Ottumwa,Iowa power plant project has Danish consultants, and plans to use Danish technology for automated handling of the bales of grass when they scale up from testing to full production. -Don Wells begin:vcard fn:Don Wells n:Wells;Don adr:;;;Charlottesville;VA;;USA email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] tel;cell:+1-434-962-3363 url:http://home.earthlink.net/~dwellscho/ version:2.1 end:vcard ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Grass Bioenergy
Waste in whose opinion? Unoccupied by whom? The land and whateverlives on it isn't just there for us to use or waste as we might seefit. If it has grass growing on it then it's a part of the biosphereas much as you are. Sure, harvest the grass, but make sure you do whatever's necessary to maintain the soil life and the soil cover oryou'll kill that land. The point of using biofuels is that they'resupposed to be sustainable, so even with so-called waste land it hasto be done in a sustainable way. Opps, inappropriate words i used. Should be idle lands. I doubt many of the available biofuels for sale are sustainable, maybe renewable but not too sure about sustainablility.I somehow disagree that we human being as a part of the biosphere, most human have to live in their own human biosphere where they will remove everything that irritates them. If you throw a city person into a jungle, how long he could survive! Just like you put a wild animal in the middle of the city. Most of us are not that compatible with the nature. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Grass Bioenergy
Good point. I like living in nature a bit more (now that spring is here, I'm moving out of my rented place in town, and back up to my school bus in the mountains near the creek). But I know alot of people who can't stand being deprived of running water, central heating, flush toilets, etc It's sort of funny seeing the city people who move up to Ward (a rather odd mountain town here, where half the houses still don't have running water, though most have grid electricity), and run screaming back to town within a few months :) Z On 3/31/06, Rexis Tree [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I somehow disagree that we human being as a part of the biosphere, most human have to live in their own human biosphere where they will remove everything that irritates them. If you throw a city person into a jungle, how long he could survive! Just like you put a wild animal in the middle of the city. Most of us are not that compatible with the nature. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Grass Bioenergy
No Martin, turf as in sportsground surface may be pressed grass but turf a la the Emerald Isle (dunno 'bout Russia) is very definitely not.It is the early stages of coal, in fact it is a brown coal. To describe coal as pressed grass is stretching the category a bit, by a few millions years I'd guess. Regards, Bob. - Original Message - From: martin roozenburg To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 8:12 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Grass Bioenergy In Europe a lot of the energy plants use TURF which is of course pressed grass, (Ireland Russia) in Scandinavia they use in threre roastbedfurnace pellets comming from Holland made from waste; chopped plastic, textile, wood,paper, board, etc, (solid fuel) these pellets reach the calloric value of coal and are replacing the coal in the furnace. greetings Martin Roozenburg- Original Message From: Don Wells [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Friday, March 31, 2006 7:26:16 AMSubject: Re: [Biofuel] Grass BioenergyTony Marzolino wrote: Tony Marzolino [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone have any additional information on grass as a bio-fuel and the conversion into pellets as the site below suggests? The site does not have much detail information (capital investment, process, market, etc). It looks interesting!!! Any thoughts? http://www.grassbioenergy.org/ The best thing about this Cornell web site is the 'Demonstration' page, which summarizes a set of experiments with burning grass pellets in various real stoves and furnaces. The issue involved is the fairly high ash content of cool season grass. Canadians have researched this subject of burning grass pellets. Do a Google search on "switchgrass pellet stoves canada" and you will find some of their web pages.You should be aware that grass is being burned in some coal-fired electric power plants. Up to 10% grass is burned with the coal. Currently a power plant near Ottumwa, Iowa is running a trial of this idea; they burn 2.5% switchgrass, in the form of big bales. I am aware of another power plant project which will use pellets. -Don Wells-Inline Attachment Follows- begin:vcardfn:Don Wellsn:Wells;Donadr:;;;Charlottesville;VA;;USAemail;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED]tel;cell:+1-434-962-3363url:http://home.earthlink.net/~dwellscho/version:2.1end:vcard ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Grass Bioenergy
Mr. Wells, you are from Iowa? I went to school in Ottumwa at IHCC. - Original Message - From: Don Wells To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 10:48 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Grass Bioenergy martin roozenburg wrote: In Europe a lot of the energy plants use TURF which is of course pressed grass, (Ireland Russia) in Scandinavia they use in threre roastbedfurnace pellets comming from Holland made from waste; chopped plastic, textile, wood,paper, board, etc, (solid fuel) these pellets reach the calloric value of coal and are replacing the coal in the furnace..Yes. The Ottumwa,Iowa power plant project has Danish consultants, and plans to use Danish technology for automated handling of the bales of grass when they scale up from testing to full production.-Don Wells ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.3/298 - Release Date: 3/30/2006 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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Tony Marzolino wrote: Tony Marzolino [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone have any additional information on grass as a bio-fuel and the conversion into pellets as the site below suggests? The site does not have much detail information (capital investment, process, market, etc). It looks interesting!!! Any thoughts? http://www.grassbioenergy.org/ The best thing about this Cornell web site is the 'Demonstration' page, which summarizes a set of experiments with burning grass pellets in various real stoves and furnaces. The issue involved is the fairly high ash content of cool season grass. Canadians have researched this subject of burning grass pellets. Do a Google search on "switchgrass pellet stoves canada" and you will find some of their web pages. You should be aware that grass is being burned in some coal-fired electric power plants. Up to 10% grass is burned with the coal. Currently a power plant near Ottumwa, Iowa is running a trial of this idea; they burn 2.5% switchgrass, in the form of big bales. I am aware of another power plant project which will use pellets. -Don Wells begin:vcard fn:Don Wells n:Wells;Don adr:;;;Charlottesville;VA;;USA email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] tel;cell:+1-434-962-3363 url:http://home.earthlink.net/~dwellscho/ version:2.1 end:vcard ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Grass Bioenergy
I have yet to go thru the entire website but i found that this is very interesting!Actually there are already plans to cultivate grass as energy fuel. But dedicated cultivation is not always the best solution. I mean, if we can simply harvest grass from waste land or unoccupied land, that will be making good use of waste! http://www.planetark.com/dailynewsstory.cfm/newsid/15235/story.htmWe should discuss in using grass as biofuel here. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Grass Bioenergy
Hello List - Did anyone have a comment on this energy idea and/or web site?Tony Marzolino [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Does anyone have any additional information on grass as a bio-fuel and the conversion into pellets as the site below suggests? The site does not have much detail information (capital investment, process, market, etc).It looks interesting!!! Any thoughts?http://www.grassbioenergy.org/Thanks Tony Marzolino New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big.___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big.___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
