[Biofuel] Permits and lots of other problems
Hi everyone, I am currently in the process of helping to start up a biodiesel production faculty on the border of Wisconsin and Illinois. We were making good progress to setting up to a capacity of 1000gallons a day. Unfortunately we have had a recent run in with the cities inspector. They have automatically assumed that biodiesel production it is a very dangerous affair and have sealed our building off in addition to mentioning that we have lack of several permits (which we actually have). What make the situation very difficult is the fact that either the inspector or the town we are in has any knowledge of biodiesel and its production. In addition the inspector himself is a very unfriendly and difficult person to work with especially when I comes to the site at which we are located. I was hoping that someone might have some knowledge of where I can find information with regards guild lines or laws and regulations on running a biodiesel production facility. By that I mean information on a federal or state level that directly addresses things like methanol storage (which we have only a very small amount of), biodiesel storage, and any other information on things like the use of certain processing equipment to fire safety. I have been looking the last two days almost all day and have been very limited partially because it is the weekend and the fact that I cant get a hold of anyone and because of the fact that everything I find has no relation to biodiesel. Any help would be greatly appreciated. THANKS! ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Permits and lots of other problems
Hi Theo...I'm sure others will have more specific information to help you, but I'd like to direct at least some of your attention along political lines with these questions: 1) Are there any monied interests that might be trying to do same as you and want you out of the way? 2) Who hired the inspector and pays the inspector's salary? 3) Is there help to be had from the Inspector's employer? 4) Have you contacted local and state representation about what you want to do and how they can help you? I'm sure the questions could become even more plentiful and specific along these lines, but perhaps this is at least a start in a direction that might open up some other ways of thinking about how to deal with developing this project. Mike DuPree - Original Message - From: Theo Chadzichristos To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 1:05 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Permits and lots of other problems Hi everyone, I am currently in the process of helping to start up a biodiesel production faculty on the border of Wisconsin and Illinois. We were making good progress to setting up to a capacity of 1000gallons a day. Unfortunately we have had a recent run in with the cities inspector. They have automatically assumed that biodiesel production it is a very dangerous affair and have sealed our building off in addition to mentioning that we have lack of several permits (which we actually have). What make the situation very difficult is the fact that either the inspector or the town we are in has any knowledge of biodiesel and its production. In addition the inspector himself is a very unfriendly and difficult person to work with especially when I comes to the site at which we are located. I was hoping that someone might have some knowledge of where I can find information with regards guild lines or laws and regulations on running a biodiesel production facility. By that I mean information on a federal or state level that directly addresses things like methanol storage (which we have only a very small amount of), biodiesel storage, and any other information on things like the use of certain processing equipment to fire safety. I have been looking the last two days almost all day and have been very limited partially because it is the weekend and the fact that I cant get a hold of anyone and because of the fact that everything I find has no relation to biodiesel. Any help would be greatly appreciated. THANKS! ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Permits and lots of other problems
start w/ www.municode.com Theo Chadzichristos wrote: > Hi everyone, > > > > I am currently in the process of helping to start up a > biodiesel production faculty on the border of Wisconsin and Illinois. > We were making good progress to setting up to a capacity of > 1000gallons a day. Unfortunately we have had a recent run in with the > cities inspector. They have automatically assumed that biodiesel > production it is a very dangerous affair and have sealed our building > off in addition to mentioning that we have lack of several permits > (which we actually have). What make the situation very difficult is > the fact that either the inspector or the town we are in has any > knowledge of biodiesel and its production. In addition the inspector > himself is a very unfriendly and difficult person to work with > especially when I comes to the site at which we are located. I was > hoping that someone might have some knowledge of where I can find > information with regards guild lines or laws and regulations on > running a biodiesel production facility. By that I mean information on > a federal or state level that directly addresses things like methanol > storage (which we have only a very small amount of), biodiesel > storage, and any other information on things like the use of certain > processing equipment to fire safety. I have been looking the last two > days almost all day and have been very limited partially because it is > the weekend and the fact that I cant get a hold of anyone and because > of the fact that everything I find has no relation to biodiesel. Any > help would be greatly appreciated. THANKS! > > > >___ >Biofuel mailing list >Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > >Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > >Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): >http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > > ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Permits and lots of other problems
Theo, I am also in the region you mentioned, here is a link that should help http://www.nonprofitfuel.ca/ & http://www.biodiesel.org/ the handling and use sections on the .org site should give you lots of help. There is also an excise tax form there that you may want to note the due date and fill out if you have not already. I believe that the local bio producers / retailers listed there would be more than happy to give some verbal help too. Gary From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Theo Chadzichristos Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 1:05 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Permits and lots of other problems Hi everyone, I am currently in the process of helping to start up a biodiesel production faculty on the border of Wisconsin and Illinois. We were making good progress to setting up to a capacity of 1000gallons a day. Unfortunately we have had a recent run in with the cities inspector. They have automatically assumed that biodiesel production it is a very dangerous affair and have sealed our building off in addition to mentioning that we have lack of several permits (which we actually have). What make the situation very difficult is the fact that either the inspector or the town we are in has any knowledge of biodiesel and its production. In addition the inspector himself is a very unfriendly and difficult person to work with especially when I comes to the site at which we are located. I was hoping that someone might have some knowledge of where I can find information with regards guild lines or laws and regulations on running a biodiesel production facility. By that I mean information on a federal or state level that directly addresses things like methanol storage (which we have only a very small amount of), biodiesel storage, and any other information on things like the use of certain processing equipment to fire safety. I have been looking the last two days almost all day and have been very limited partially because it is the weekend and the fact that I cant get a hold of anyone and because of the fact that everything I find has no relation to biodiesel. Any help would be greatly appreciated. THANKS! ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Permits and lots of other problems
Mr Chadzichristos >Hi everyone, > >I am currently in the process of helping to start up a >biodiesel production faculty on the border of Wisconsin and >Illinois. We were making good progress to setting up to a capacity >of 1000gallons a day. Unfortunately we have had a recent run in with >the cities inspector. They have automatically assumed that biodiesel >production it is a very dangerous affair and have sealed our >building off in addition to mentioning that we have lack of several >permits (which we actually have). What make the situation very >difficult is the fact that either the inspector or the town we are >in has any knowledge of biodiesel and its production. In addition >the inspector himself is a very unfriendly and difficult person to >work with especially when I comes to the site at which we are >located. I was hoping that someone might have some knowledge of >where I can find information with regards guild lines or laws and >regulations on running a biodiesel production facility. By that I >mean information on a federal or state level that directly addresses >things like methanol storage (which we have only a very small amount >of), biodiesel storage, and any other information on things like the >use of certain processing equipment to fire safety. I have been >looking the last two days almost all day and have been very limited >partially because it is the weekend and the fact that I cant get a >hold of anyone and because of the fact that everything I find has no >relation to biodiesel. Any help would be greatly appreciated. THANKS! 1000 gallons a day is a commercial operation, no? We're not here to provide free consultancy services for commercial operations. Of course we're not against commercial operations either, but the focus here is small-scale, local community level or individual projects, using an Appropriate Technology approach and Open-Source development, with the emphasis on sharing and collaboration. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think your 1000-gallon-a-day operation fits that description, in which case you should either do your own homework or hire a consultant. Thankyou. Keith Addison Journey to Forever KYOTO Pref., Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel list owner ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Permits and lots of other problems
also look up "reportable quantities" in municode Gary Plencner wrote: > Theo, I am also in the region you mentioned, here is a link that > should help http://www.nonprofitfuel.ca/ & http://www.biodiesel.org/ > the handling and use sections on the .org site should give you lots > of help. There is also an excise tax form there that you may want to > note the due date and fill out if you have not already. > > I believe that the local bio producers / retailers listed there would > be more than happy to give some verbal help too. > > Gary > > > > > > > > *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Theo > Chadzichristos > *Sent:* Sunday, August 06, 2006 1:05 PM > *To:* Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > *Subject:* [Biofuel] Permits and lots of other problems > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > I am currently in the process of helping to start up a > biodiesel production faculty on the border of Wisconsin and Illinois. > We were making good progress to setting up to a capacity of > 1000gallons a day. Unfortunately we have had a recent run in with the > cities inspector. They have automatically assumed that biodiesel > production it is a very dangerous affair and have sealed our building > off in addition to mentioning that we have lack of several permits > (which we actually have). What make the situation very difficult is > the fact that either the inspector or the town we are in has any > knowledge of biodiesel and its production. In addition the inspector > himself is a very unfriendly and difficult person to work with > especially when I comes to the site at which we are located. I was > hoping that someone might have some knowledge of where I can find > information with regards guild lines or laws and regulations on > running a biodiesel production facility. By that I mean information on > a federal or state level that directly addresses things like methanol > storage (which we have only a very small amount of), biodiesel > storage, and any other information on things like the use of certain > processing equipment to fire safety. I have been looking the last two > days almost all day and have been very limited partially because it is > the weekend and the fact that I cant get a hold of anyone and because > of the fact that everything I find has no relation to biodiesel. Any > help would be greatly appreciated. THANKS! > > > >___ >Biofuel mailing list >Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > >Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > >Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): >http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > > ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Permits and lots of other problems
Dunno whether you are commercial or not, but I can tell you that if you are, 1000 gallons a day won't sustain you. Your fuel must meet ASTM standards or you can't sell it. The ASTM test is very expensive. Piedmont biofuels provides fuel to its members, and buys what it sells commercially. I would second what Keith says - you can contact Piedmont Biofules for a consultant. -Mike Keith Addison wrote: >Mr Chadzichristos > > > >>Hi everyone, >> >> I am currently in the process of helping to start up a >>biodiesel production faculty on the border of Wisconsin and >>Illinois. We were making good progress to setting up to a capacity >>of 1000gallons a day. Unfortunately we have had a recent run in with >>the cities inspector. They have automatically assumed that biodiesel >>production it is a very dangerous affair and have sealed our >>building off in addition to mentioning that we have lack of several >>permits (which we actually have). What make the situation very >>difficult is the fact that either the inspector or the town we are >>in has any knowledge of biodiesel and its production. In addition >>the inspector himself is a very unfriendly and difficult person to >>work with especially when I comes to the site at which we are >>located. I was hoping that someone might have some knowledge of >>where I can find information with regards guild lines or laws and >>regulations on running a biodiesel production facility. By that I >>mean information on a federal or state level that directly addresses >>things like methanol storage (which we have only a very small amount >>of), biodiesel storage, and any other information on things like the >>use of certain processing equipment to fire safety. I have been >>looking the last two days almost all day and have been very limited >>partially because it is the weekend and the fact that I cant get a >>hold of anyone and because of the fact that everything I find has no >>relation to biodiesel. Any help would be greatly appreciated. THANKS! >> >> > >1000 gallons a day is a commercial operation, no? > >We're not here to provide free consultancy services for commercial >operations. Of course we're not against commercial operations either, >but the focus here is small-scale, local community level or >individual projects, using an Appropriate Technology approach and >Open-Source development, with the emphasis on sharing and >collaboration. > >Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think your >1000-gallon-a-day operation fits that description, in which case you >should either do your own homework or hire a consultant. > >Thankyou. > >Keith Addison >Journey to Forever >KYOTO Pref., Japan >http://journeytoforever.org/ >Biofuel list owner > > > > > > > > >___ >Biofuel mailing list >Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > >Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > >Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): >http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > > ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Permits and lots of other problems
You might check with a race track operator on the methanol storage. Since they are the sources where many people buy 55 gallon drums of methanol for making biodiesel, they obviously have to store 1,000's of gallons of methanol, or at least 100's. Is the location zoned for industrial/manufacturing use, or what? If it's zoned for retail or residential, you might be out of luck, since it it pretty logical to define your operation as manufacturing. But if it is industrial, I can think of alot of other small industrial shops that involve similar danger. Tanks of acid for paint stripping, solvents for electronics manufactur or plastics molding, etc Heck, even an auto mechanics shop with a big tank of gasoline contaminated used engine oil On 8/7/06, Mike Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: also look up "reportable quantities" in municodeGary Plencner wrote:> Theo, I am also in the region you mentioned, here is a link that> should help http://www.nonprofitfuel.ca/ & http://www.biodiesel.org/> the handling and use sections on the .org site should give you lots> of help. There is also an excise tax form there that you may want to > note the due date and fill out if you have not already.>> I believe that the local bio producers / retailers listed there would> be more than happy to give some verbal help too.>> Gary >>>>>> >> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] *On Behalf Of *Theo> Chadzichristos> *Sent:* Sunday, August 06, 2006 1:05 PM> *To:* Biofuel@sustainablelists.org> *Subject:* [Biofuel] Permits and lots of other problems>>>> Hi everyone,>>>> I am currently in the process of helping to start up a > biodiesel production faculty on the border of Wisconsin and Illinois.> We were making good progress to setting up to a capacity of> 1000gallons a day. Unfortunately we have had a recent run in with the > cities inspector. They have automatically assumed that biodiesel> production it is a very dangerous affair and have sealed our building> off in addition to mentioning that we have lack of several permits > (which we actually have). What make the situation very difficult is> the fact that either the inspector or the town we are in has any> knowledge of biodiesel and its production. In addition the inspector > himself is a very unfriendly and difficult person to work with> especially when I comes to the site at which we are located. I was> hoping that someone might have some knowledge of where I can find > information with regards guild lines or laws and regulations on> running a biodiesel production facility. By that I mean information on> a federal or state level that directly addresses things like methanol > storage (which we have only a very small amount of), biodiesel> storage, and any other information on things like the use of certain> processing equipment to fire safety. I have been looking the last two > days almost all day and have been very limited partially because it is> the weekend and the fact that I cant get a hold of anyone and because> of the fact that everything I find has no relation to biodiesel. Any > help would be greatly appreciated. THANKS!>>>>___>Biofuel mailing list >Biofuel@sustainablelists.org>http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org >>Biofuel at Journey to Forever:>http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html>>Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): >http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/>>>___ Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
