Re: [Biofuel] castorbeans
i wonder if i could use the castor oil as a lube and after an oil change use it for BD? Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (most likely to get me) - Original Message - From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 10:21 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] castorbeans > >sorry, bad explanation again. i meant as a lubricant not a fuel, i >>believe it was kieth who pointed me at information about castor oil. >>it breaks down under heat and pressure and the lubricative >>properties are enhanced after a period of use. the problem is if it >>breaks down too far, it turns to a thick messy sludge with little or >>no continuing benefit as a lubricant. >> >>Jason > > This one I think: > http://www.georgiacombat.com/CASTOR_OIL.htm > CASTOR OIL > > They prevent the final breakdown with additives: > > "Unfortunately, the end byproduct of this process is what we refer to > as "varnish." So, you can't have everything, but you can come close > by running a mixture of castor oil with polyalkylene glycol like > Union Carbide's UCON, or their MA 731. This mixture has some > synergistic properties, or better properties than either product had > alone." > > Best > > Keith > > >>ICQ#: 154998177 >>MSN: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (most >>likely to get me) >> >>- Original Message - >>From: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Zeke Yewdall >>To: <mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org>biofuel@sustainablelists.org >>Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 7:51 PM >>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] castorbeans >> >>I tried using biodiesel (probably about 25% biodiesel/75% gasoline) >>in a lawnmower. Smokey startup, and stalled right away. I think >>the primitive lawnmower carb couldn't vaporize the biodiesel >>effectively -- relying on the vaccuum from the engine to suck the >>fuel out of the tank into the carb probably didn't help either (it >>would start every time when you used the primer bulb, but stall >>right out). Makes me want to try it on a fuel injected gas engine >>that could probably manage to actually get the biodiesel mix into >>the cylinders though. >> >>On 6/26/06, Jason& Katie <<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>wrote: >> >>i wanted to try this also, i have a mostly scrap lawnmower engine >>that is good for experiments of this nature. >> >>Jason >>ICQ#: 154998177 >>MSN: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (most >>likely to get me) >> >>- Original Message - >>From: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>lres1 >>To: <mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org>biofuel@sustainablelists.org >>Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 10:37 PM >>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] castorbeans >> >>Have had many years ago engines like steam driven units that used >>good castor oil as their engine lubricants. Some of this was fed >>through adjustable sight feed lubricators to open shafts and some >>was in dip pans where a ring was inserted to the centre of a bearing >>but of large diameter and thus the ring was in the oil and slowly >>picked up the oil and dropped it to the shafts. >> >>A similar system was used in Comet and Southern Cross wind pumps >>running on white metal bearings and or hard wood bearings. The oil >>for the later being of many mixed varieties of what could be had. >> >>Has any one run straight castor oil as stand alone engine oil in the >>sump of an engine without using any other additives? I have used it >>but only in small model engines and not as a fully synthetic stand >>alone in a car or SUV. Any ideas? >> >>Doug >> >>- Original Message - >>From: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Mike Redler >>To: <mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org>biofuel@sustainablelists.org >>Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 5:06 AM >>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] castorbeans >> >>Hi Juan, >> >>I saw the word "beans" and thought of a climbing plant, like a string >>bean. >> >>...bad assumption. I'm definitely NOT a farmer. >> >>Anyway, I'll check Keith's links. >> >>Thanks. >> >>-Redler >> >> >>Juan Boveda wrote: >> >>>Hello Mike Redler. >>>That crop is like a big bush, in this subtropical country it grows like a >>>weed (no insecticides needed) but it needs a fertile dirt, water and a >>> >>>half-squared meter for its deep roots. I does not climbs, more likely it >&
Re: [Biofuel] castorbeans
>sorry, bad explanation again. i meant as a lubricant not a fuel, i >believe it was kieth who pointed me at information about castor oil. >it breaks down under heat and pressure and the lubricative >properties are enhanced after a period of use. the problem is if it >breaks down too far, it turns to a thick messy sludge with little or >no continuing benefit as a lubricant. > >Jason This one I think: http://www.georgiacombat.com/CASTOR_OIL.htm CASTOR OIL They prevent the final breakdown with additives: "Unfortunately, the end byproduct of this process is what we refer to as "varnish." So, you can't have everything, but you can come close by running a mixture of castor oil with polyalkylene glycol like Union Carbide's UCON, or their MA 731. This mixture has some synergistic properties, or better properties than either product had alone." Best Keith >ICQ#: 154998177 >MSN: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (most >likely to get me) > >- Original Message - >From: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Zeke Yewdall >To: <mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org>biofuel@sustainablelists.org >Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 7:51 PM >Subject: Re: [Biofuel] castorbeans > >I tried using biodiesel (probably about 25% biodiesel/75% gasoline) >in a lawnmower. Smokey startup, and stalled right away. I think >the primitive lawnmower carb couldn't vaporize the biodiesel >effectively -- relying on the vaccuum from the engine to suck the >fuel out of the tank into the carb probably didn't help either (it >would start every time when you used the primer bulb, but stall >right out). Makes me want to try it on a fuel injected gas engine >that could probably manage to actually get the biodiesel mix into >the cylinders though. > >On 6/26/06, Jason& Katie <<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >i wanted to try this also, i have a mostly scrap lawnmower engine >that is good for experiments of this nature. > >Jason >ICQ#: 154998177 >MSN: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (most >likely to get me) > >----- Original Message - >From: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>lres1 >To: <mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org>biofuel@sustainablelists.org >Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 10:37 PM >Subject: Re: [Biofuel] castorbeans > >Have had many years ago engines like steam driven units that used >good castor oil as their engine lubricants. Some of this was fed >through adjustable sight feed lubricators to open shafts and some >was in dip pans where a ring was inserted to the centre of a bearing >but of large diameter and thus the ring was in the oil and slowly >picked up the oil and dropped it to the shafts. > >A similar system was used in Comet and Southern Cross wind pumps >running on white metal bearings and or hard wood bearings. The oil >for the later being of many mixed varieties of what could be had. > >Has any one run straight castor oil as stand alone engine oil in the >sump of an engine without using any other additives? I have used it >but only in small model engines and not as a fully synthetic stand >alone in a car or SUV. Any ideas? > >Doug > >- Original Message - >From: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Mike Redler >To: <mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org>biofuel@sustainablelists.org >Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 5:06 AM >Subject: Re: [Biofuel] castorbeans > >Hi Juan, > >I saw the word "beans" and thought of a climbing plant, like a string bean. > >...bad assumption. I'm definitely NOT a farmer. > >Anyway, I'll check Keith's links. > >Thanks. > >-Redler > > >Juan Boveda wrote: > >>Hello Mike Redler. >>That crop is like a big bush, in this subtropical country it grows like a >>weed (no insecticides needed) but it needs a fertile dirt, water and a >> >>half-squared meter for its deep roots. I does not climbs, more likely it >>can be used for the urban farmer as a shadow for parking lots if they are >>planted in groups. It was discussed the production of biodiesel from castor >> >>and Keith sent to the list the following message that has many links. >>Best Regards. >> >>Juan Boveda >>Paraguay >> >> >>-original- >>From: Keith Addison [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>] >>Sent: 3/30/ 2006 5:38 >>For: <mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org>Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Seeking experience to produce biodiesel >>from Castor >> >> >> >>>Anyone care to share any experiences with castor oil based biod
Re: [Biofuel] castorbeans
sorry, bad explanation again. i meant as a
lubricant not a fuel, i believe it was kieth who pointed me at information about
castor oil. it breaks down under heat and pressure and the lubricative
properties are enhanced after a period of use. the problem is if it breaks down
too far, it turns to a thick messy sludge with little or no continuing benefit
as a lubricant.
JasonICQ#: 154998177MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (most likely to
get me)
- Original Message -
From:
Zeke Yewdall
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 7:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] castorbeans
I tried using biodiesel (probably about 25% biodiesel/75%
gasoline) in a lawnmower. Smokey startup, and stalled right away.
I think the primitive lawnmower carb couldn't vaporize the biodiesel
effectively -- relying on the vaccuum from the engine to suck the fuel out of
the tank into the carb probably didn't help either (it would start every time
when you used the primer bulb, but stall right out). Makes me want to
try it on a fuel injected gas engine that could probably manage to actually
get the biodiesel mix into the cylinders though.
On 6/26/06, Jason&
Katie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
i wanted to try this also, i have a mostly
scrap lawnmower engine that is good for experiments of this
nature.
JasonICQ#: 154998177MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (most likely to get
me)
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lres1
To:
biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent:
Tuesday, June 20, 2006 10:37 PM
Subject:
Re: [Biofuel] castorbeans
Have had many years ago engines like steam
driven units that used good castor oil as their engine lubricants. Some of
this was fed through adjustable sight feed lubricators to open shafts and
some was in dip pans where a ring was inserted to the centre of a bearing
but of large diameter and thus the ring was in the oil and slowly picked up
the oil and dropped it to the shafts.
A similar system was used in Comet and Southern
Cross wind pumps running on white metal bearings and or hard wood bearings.
The oil for the later being of many mixed varieties of what could be
had.
Has any one run straight castor oil as stand
alone engine oil in the sump of an engine without using any other additives?
I have used it but only in small model engines and not as a fully synthetic
stand alone in a car or SUV. Any ideas?
Doug
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Original Message -
From:
Mike Redler
To:
biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent:
Saturday, June 17, 2006 5:06 AM
Subject:
Re: [Biofuel] castorbeans
Hi Juan,I saw the word "beans" and thought of a
climbing plant, like a string beanbad assumption. I'm
definitely NOT a farmer.Anyway, I'll check Keith's
links.Thanks.-RedlerJuan Boveda wrote:
Hello Mike Redler.That crop is like a big bush, in this subtropical country it grows like a weed (no insecticides needed) but it needs a fertile dirt, water and a
half-squared meter for its deep roots. I does not climbs, more likely it can be used for the urban farmer as a shadow for parking lots if they are planted in groups. It was discussed the production of biodiesel from castor
and Keith sent to the list the following message that has many links.Best Regards.Juan BovedaParaguay-original-From: Keith Addison [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
]Sent: 3/30/ 2006 5:38For: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Seeking experience to produce biodiesel from Castor
Anyone care to share any experiences with castor oil based biodieselbrewing using small-scale plants? I am told that castor oil dissolvesin alcohols and external heating is eliminated from the process. I'm
also hearing conjectures that castor based biodiesel will not freezeeven below -20 deg C. Any pointers to more specific info along these lines?
I'll get to my own brewing/learning experiments soon (and I'll startwith proven processes and materials described on J2FE), but we could dowith as much existing wisdom as we can get our hands on, especially
because what we want to get into out here is not only for our personalconsumption. Many thanks in advance for any help.ChandanHi ChandanI can't share any experience of using castor oil but I can offer some
information which might help. It's been discussed a few times before,I think other list members may have direct experience of it.List archives:
http://snipurl.com/oeit
Search results for 'castor'
The one disadvantage mentioned, that I haven't seen an answer to, was
that crushing the seeds creates a seriously bad odour, enough to put
peopl
Re: [Biofuel] castorbeans
I tried using biodiesel (probably about 25% biodiesel/75% gasoline) in a lawnmower. Smokey startup, and stalled right away. I think the primitive lawnmower carb couldn't vaporize the biodiesel effectively -- relying on the vaccuum from the engine to suck the fuel out of the tank into the carb probably didn't help either (it would start every time when you used the primer bulb, but stall right out). Makes me want to try it on a fuel injected gas engine that could probably manage to actually get the biodiesel mix into the cylinders though. On 6/26/06, Jason& Katie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: i wanted to try this also, i have a mostly scrap lawnmower engine that is good for experiments of this nature. JasonICQ#: 154998177MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (most likely to get me) - Original Message - From: lres1 To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 10:37 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] castorbeans Have had many years ago engines like steam driven units that used good castor oil as their engine lubricants. Some of this was fed through adjustable sight feed lubricators to open shafts and some was in dip pans where a ring was inserted to the centre of a bearing but of large diameter and thus the ring was in the oil and slowly picked up the oil and dropped it to the shafts. A similar system was used in Comet and Southern Cross wind pumps running on white metal bearings and or hard wood bearings. The oil for the later being of many mixed varieties of what could be had. Has any one run straight castor oil as stand alone engine oil in the sump of an engine without using any other additives? I have used it but only in small model engines and not as a fully synthetic stand alone in a car or SUV. Any ideas? Doug - Original Message - From: Mike Redler To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 5:06 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] castorbeans Hi Juan,I saw the word "beans" and thought of a climbing plant, like a string beanbad assumption. I'm definitely NOT a farmer.Anyway, I'll check Keith's links.Thanks.-RedlerJuan Boveda wrote: Hello Mike Redler.That crop is like a big bush, in this subtropical country it grows like a weed (no insecticides needed) but it needs a fertile dirt, water and a half-squared meter for its deep roots. I does not climbs, more likely it can be used for the urban farmer as a shadow for parking lots if they are planted in groups. It was discussed the production of biodiesel from castor and Keith sent to the list the following message that has many links.Best Regards.Juan BovedaParaguay-original-From: Keith Addison [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]Sent: 3/30/ 2006 5:38For: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Seeking experience to produce biodiesel from Castor Anyone care to share any experiences with castor oil based biodieselbrewing using small-scale plants? I am told that castor oil dissolvesin alcohols and external heating is eliminated from the process. I'm also hearing conjectures that castor based biodiesel will not freezeeven below -20 deg C. Any pointers to more specific info along these lines? I'll get to my own brewing/learning experiments soon (and I'll startwith proven processes and materials described on J2FE), but we could dowith as much existing wisdom as we can get our hands on, especially because what we want to get into out here is not only for our personalconsumption. Many thanks in advance for any help.ChandanHi ChandanI can't share any experience of using castor oil but I can offer some information which might help. It's been discussed a few times before,I think other list members may have direct experience of it.List archives: http://snipurl.com/oeit Search results for 'castor' The one disadvantage mentioned, that I haven't seen an answer to, was that crushing the seeds creates a seriously bad odour, enough to put people off. Also the cake is poinsonous, but James Duke says: "Although it is highly toxic due to the ricin, a method of detoxicating the meal has now been found, so that it can safely be fed to livestock. MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "www.hort.purdue.edu" claiming to be "http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/duke_energy/Ricinus_communis.htmlRicinus communis The toxic principle is water-soluble so is not found in the oil. It'salso said to be a drying oil, the equal of tung oil, yet it has amuch lower Iodine Value, though Iodine Value is quite a crudeindicator of whether oils will polymerise or not and castor oil seems to be an exception. On the other hand it has a longstandingreputation of being an excellent motor oil.This is an informative website about ca
Re: [Biofuel] castorbeans
i wanted to try this also, i have a mostly scrap lawnmower engine that is good for experiments of this nature. JasonICQ#: 154998177MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (most likely to get me) - Original Message - From: lres1 To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 10:37 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] castorbeans Have had many years ago engines like steam driven units that used good castor oil as their engine lubricants. Some of this was fed through adjustable sight feed lubricators to open shafts and some was in dip pans where a ring was inserted to the centre of a bearing but of large diameter and thus the ring was in the oil and slowly picked up the oil and dropped it to the shafts. A similar system was used in Comet and Southern Cross wind pumps running on white metal bearings and or hard wood bearings. The oil for the later being of many mixed varieties of what could be had. Has any one run straight castor oil as stand alone engine oil in the sump of an engine without using any other additives? I have used it but only in small model engines and not as a fully synthetic stand alone in a car or SUV. Any ideas? Doug - Original Message - From: Mike Redler To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 5:06 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] castorbeans Hi Juan,I saw the word "beans" and thought of a climbing plant, like a string beanbad assumption. I'm definitely NOT a farmer.Anyway, I'll check Keith's links.Thanks.-RedlerJuan Boveda wrote: Hello Mike Redler. That crop is like a big bush, in this subtropical country it grows like a weed (no insecticides needed) but it needs a fertile dirt, water and a half-squared meter for its deep roots. I does not climbs, more likely it can be used for the urban farmer as a shadow for parking lots if they are planted in groups. It was discussed the production of biodiesel from castor and Keith sent to the list the following message that has many links. Best Regards. Juan Boveda Paraguay -original- From: Keith Addison [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 3/30/ 2006 5:38 For: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Seeking experience to produce biodiesel from Castor Anyone care to share any experiences with castor oil based biodiesel brewing using small-scale plants? I am told that castor oil dissolves in alcohols and external heating is eliminated from the process. I'm also hearing conjectures that castor based biodiesel will not freeze even below -20 deg C. Any pointers to more specific info along these lines? I'll get to my own brewing/learning experiments soon (and I'll start with proven processes and materials described on J2FE), but we could do with as much existing wisdom as we can get our hands on, especially because what we want to get into out here is not only for our personal consumption. Many thanks in advance for any help. Chandan Hi Chandan I can't share any experience of using castor oil but I can offer some information which might help. It's been discussed a few times before, I think other list members may have direct experience of it. List archives: http://snipurl.com/oeit Search results for 'castor' The one disadvantage mentioned, that I haven't seen an answer to, was that crushing the seeds creates a seriously bad odour, enough to put people off. Also the cake is poinsonous, but James Duke says: "Although it is highly toxic due to the ricin, a method of detoxicating the meal has now been found, so that it can safely be fed to livestock.MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "www.hort.purdue.edu" claiming to be " http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/duke_energy/Ricinus_communis.html Ricinus communis The toxic principle is water-soluble so is not found in the oil. It's also said to be a drying oil, the equal of tung oil, yet it has a much lower Iodine Value, though Iodine Value is quite a crude indicator of whether oils will polymerise or not and castor oil seems to be an exception. On the other hand it has a longstanding reputation of being an excellent motor oil. This is an informative website about castor oil, and biodiesel generally: http://www.castoroil.in/uses/fuel/castor_oil_fuel.html Castor Oil as Biofuel & Biodiesel - Info, WWW Resources on Castoroil as Bio-fuel, Bio-diesel Others: http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/afcm/castor.html Castorbeans http://www.ibiblio.org/pfaf/cgi-bin/arr_html?Ricinus+communis Ricinus communis http://snipurl.com/oeiu The Hindu Business Line : Gujarat Oleo Chem bags Rs 25-cr biodiesel order from IOC Gujarat Oleo Chem bags Rs 25-cr biodiesel order from IOC Mumbai , Aug 3 http://www.tierramerica.net/2003/0526/ianalisis.shtml Energy in a Castor
Re: [Biofuel] castorbeans
Hi Doug. I have done a seach on the list postings and I got 2 related to yours, the first one form Bob Allen [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] about Castrol special oils with castor oil base and another one from busyditch [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] for 2 cycle engines Juan Boveda Paraguay -Original- From: bob allen [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: April 26 / 2006 13:07 For:biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject:Re: [Biofuel] castor oil see for example http://www.castrol.com/castrol/productdetailmin.do?categoryId=9003076&co ntentId=6008867 Randall Phelps wrote: > I think I remember hearing that Castor oil was used like like motor oil > in lawn mowers during oil fuel rationing in WWII. > Original- From: busyditch [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: January 8/ 2005 14:41 For:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: [Biofuel] Castor oil for 2-Cycle? was ethanol:gasoline ratio Castor oil has been used as lubricant in 2 cycle engines for years in the world of motorsports racing. The downside is it does leave harmful deposits in the combustion chamber and piston, reducing the life of the engine. Racing engines are constantly being re-built, so the deposits are not a factor in engine life. So be forewarned that "bean oil" may lead to a shorter life in your chainsaw. The good news is that replacing a piston is relatively easy, and a good lesson in mechanics for anyone wishing to be more "green". - Original Message - From: JCT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 7:47 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Castor oil for 2-Cycle? was ethanol:gasoline ratio > From: "Peggy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > snip > > I also asked about biolubricants to use in 2 cycle engines and was given > the following reply: > "The best lubricant for 2-cycle use is Castor oil. You can buy it at > any pharmacy and it is soluble in ethanol. Add about 2 oz per gallon." > > And again, there may be more information that differs. This just sounds > very easy and convenient. Hope that this helps. > > Best wishes, > Peggy > > --- > Hi Peggy, > Been lurking here for sometimes but now you really caught my > attention as I hate my chain saw exhaust smell/pollution... > Do I understand well that I could use 2 oz castor oil per 132 oz > ethanol (4 liters) in my chain saw? > What other modification would have to be made to the chain saw to be > ethanol/castor oil ready? I heard of rubber problem? Can ethanol be > replaced by methanol? > JCT > ___ -----Original- From: lres1 [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: June 20/ 2006 23:38 For:biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject:Re: [Biofuel] castorbeans Have had many years ago engines like steam driven units that used good castor oil as their engine lubricants. Some of this was fed through adjustable sight feed lubricators to open shafts and some was in dip pans where a ring was inserted to the centre of a bearing but of large diameter and thus the ring was in the oil and slowly picked up the oil and dropped it to the shafts. A similar system was used in Comet and Southern Cross wind pumps running on white metal bearings and or hard wood bearings. The oil for the later being of many mixed varieties of what could be had. Has any one run straight castor oil as stand alone engine oil in the sump of an engine without using any other additives? I have used it but only in small model engines and not as a fully synthetic stand alone in a car or SUV. Any ideas? Doug - Original Message - From: Mike Redler To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 5:06 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] castorbeans Hi Juan, I saw the word "beans" and thought of a climbing plant, like a string bean. ...bad assumption. I'm definitely NOT a farmer. Anyway, I'll check Keith's links. Thanks. -Redler Juan Boveda wrote: Hello Mike Redler. That crop is like a big bush, in this subtropical country it grows like a weed (no insecticides needed) but it needs a fertile dirt, water and a half-squared meter for its deep roots. I does not climbs, more likely it can be used for the urban farmer as a shadow for parking lots if they are planted in groups. It was discussed the production of biodiesel from castor and Keith sent to the list the following message that has many links. Best Regards. Juan Boveda Paraguay -original- From: Keith Addison [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 3/30/ 2006 5:38 For:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject:Re: [Biofuel] Seeking experience to produce biodiesel from Castor Anyone care to share any experiences with castor oil based biodiesel brewing using small-scale plants? I am told that castor oil d
Re: [Biofuel] castorbeans
Have had many years ago engines like steam driven units that used good castor oil as their engine lubricants. Some of this was fed through adjustable sight feed lubricators to open shafts and some was in dip pans where a ring was inserted to the centre of a bearing but of large diameter and thus the ring was in the oil and slowly picked up the oil and dropped it to the shafts. A similar system was used in Comet and Southern Cross wind pumps running on white metal bearings and or hard wood bearings. The oil for the later being of many mixed varieties of what could be had. Has any one run straight castor oil as stand alone engine oil in the sump of an engine without using any other additives? I have used it but only in small model engines and not as a fully synthetic stand alone in a car or SUV. Any ideas? Doug - Original Message - From: Mike Redler To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 5:06 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] castorbeans Hi Juan,I saw the word "beans" and thought of a climbing plant, like a string beanbad assumption. I'm definitely NOT a farmer.Anyway, I'll check Keith's links.Thanks.-RedlerJuan Boveda wrote: Hello Mike Redler. That crop is like a big bush, in this subtropical country it grows like a weed (no insecticides needed) but it needs a fertile dirt, water and a half-squared meter for its deep roots. I does not climbs, more likely it can be used for the urban farmer as a shadow for parking lots if they are planted in groups. It was discussed the production of biodiesel from castor and Keith sent to the list the following message that has many links. Best Regards. Juan Boveda Paraguay -original- From: Keith Addison [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 3/30/ 2006 5:38 For: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Seeking experience to produce biodiesel from Castor Anyone care to share any experiences with castor oil based biodiesel brewing using small-scale plants? I am told that castor oil dissolves in alcohols and external heating is eliminated from the process. I'm also hearing conjectures that castor based biodiesel will not freeze even below -20 deg C. Any pointers to more specific info along these lines? I'll get to my own brewing/learning experiments soon (and I'll start with proven processes and materials described on J2FE), but we could do with as much existing wisdom as we can get our hands on, especially because what we want to get into out here is not only for our personal consumption. Many thanks in advance for any help. Chandan Hi Chandan I can't share any experience of using castor oil but I can offer some information which might help. It's been discussed a few times before, I think other list members may have direct experience of it. List archives: http://snipurl.com/oeit Search results for 'castor' The one disadvantage mentioned, that I haven't seen an answer to, was that crushing the seeds creates a seriously bad odour, enough to put people off. Also the cake is poinsonous, but James Duke says: "Although it is highly toxic due to the ricin, a method of detoxicating the meal has now been found, so that it can safely be fed to livestock.MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "www.hort.purdue.edu" claiming to be " http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/duke_energy/Ricinus_communis.html Ricinus communis The toxic principle is water-soluble so is not found in the oil. It's also said to be a drying oil, the equal of tung oil, yet it has a much lower Iodine Value, though Iodine Value is quite a crude indicator of whether oils will polymerise or not and castor oil seems to be an exception. On the other hand it has a longstanding reputation of being an excellent motor oil. This is an informative website about castor oil, and biodiesel generally: http://www.castoroil.in/uses/fuel/castor_oil_fuel.html Castor Oil as Biofuel & Biodiesel - Info, WWW Resources on Castoroil as Bio-fuel, Bio-diesel Others: http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/afcm/castor.html Castorbeans http://www.ibiblio.org/pfaf/cgi-bin/arr_html?Ricinus+communis Ricinus communis http://snipurl.com/oeiu The Hindu Business Line : Gujarat Oleo Chem bags Rs 25-cr biodiesel order from IOC Gujarat Oleo Chem bags Rs 25-cr biodiesel order from IOC Mumbai , Aug 3 http://www.tierramerica.net/2003/0526/ianalisis.shtml Energy in a Castor Bean The castor-oil plant, ricinus communis, is the best source for creating "biodiesel", say Brazilian experts. http://www.allbusiness.com/periodicals/article/278737-1.html First electricity from castor oil: Patrick Knight reports on how the biodiesel industry in Brazil is taking off. From Oils & Fats International: Nov, 2004 issue Hope this helps. Best Keith [snip] Inform
Re: [Biofuel] castorbeans
>Ricin isnt a problem if you compost it immediately and keep your >stocks down near zero. if you have a negligible amount of the stuff >on hand, keep accurate records of it, and keep it under tight >security, noone can really say anything. Pannir Selvam in Brazil was previously talking of a method of using the crushed seeds direct without extracting the oil first, which would break down the ricin in the process. Best Keith >Jason >ICQ#: 154998177 >MSN: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (most >likely to get me) > >- Original Message - >From: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Addison Griffith >To: <mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org>biofuel@sustainablelists.org >Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 2:48 PM >Subject: Re: [Biofuel] castorbeans > >I have been reading the posts concerning the casterbean and feel >that I must give a little input on the subject as I have had some >experience in growing the plant a few years ago. The plant grows >into a stalk approximately 5-7' tall with a diameter of >approximately 4', it will continue to produce seeds continuely for >several months. The seeds grow from bunches with approximately 6-8 >seed pods per bunch, with each pod containing 3 seeds encased in a >hard shell. >As someone else has already pointed out the seeds are very >poisonous, even one seed ingested by a child or a small animal can >make them very sick. >When you extract all of the oil from the seeds, what you have left >is one of the most poisonous substances known to man, it is then >called ricin, which is very illegal to possess in the US. >I would highly suggest that the casterbean be researched very >thoroughly before extracting the oil. >Mike Redler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >I'm wondering if such an oil producing plant is a good candidate for the >urban fuel farmer. More specifically, those who don't have a lot of land >and would welcome a crop that climbs. > >...just a thought. > >Mike > > >Jason& Katie wrote: > > i believe the fruits all ripen at once, or close to it, and it >was just over > > a week ago that i planted them(10 or 12 days) and YAY! i am thrilled ;) > > > > Jason > > ICQ#: 154998177 > > MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (most likely to get me) > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "lres1" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 8:43 PM > > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] castorbeans > > > > > > > >> Good to hear of successes. Some questions and observations if you can > >> help. > >> > >> Do the Castor seeds on the plant all ripen at one time? Have not had mine > >> in > >> long enough to know and using cuttings to speed up quantities for > >> transplanting.Jatropha seeds do not all ripen at one time so > >> picking/harvesting is or can be very labor intensive. How long did it take > >> for your Castor beans to sprout all up? > >> > >> My Castor beans sprouted and grew. I then cut some of the branches and > >> stuck > >> them in compost and dirt mixed pots. Seems that most of the clippings are > >> starting to sprout. Am not sure why but was told that this could not be > >> done. Seems once the beans have sprouted, the clippings seem to grow > >> quicker. 5 days to see the clippings developing new growth. > >> > >> Six days for the Jatropha to sprout from seeds and 17 days to see action > >> or > >> small signs of growth from Jatropha clippings. > >> > >> All good to see up and growing. Need to put more Castor clippings in pots > >> ready for planting out. > >> > >> Doug > >> > >> [snip] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] castorbeans
Ricin isnt a problem if you compost it immediately and keep your stocks down near zero. if you have a negligible amount of the stuff on hand, keep accurate records of it, and keep it under tight security, noone can really say anything. JasonICQ#: 154998177MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (most likely to get me) - Original Message - From: Addison Griffith To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 2:48 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] castorbeans I have been reading the posts concerning the casterbean and feel that I must give a little input on the subject as I have had some experience in growing the plant a few years ago. The plant grows into a stalk approximately 5-7' tall with a diameter of approximately 4', it will continue to produce seeds continuely for several months. The seeds grow from bunches with approximately 6-8 seed pods per bunch, with each pod containing 3 seeds encased in a hard shell. As someone else has already pointed out the seeds are very poisonous, even one seed ingested by a child or a small animal can make them very sick. When you extract all of the oil from the seeds, what you have left is one of the most poisonous substances known to man, it is then called ricin, which is very illegal to possess in the US.I would highly suggest that the casterbean be researched very thoroughly before extracting the oil.Mike Redler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm wondering if such an oil producing plant is a good candidate for the urban fuel farmer. More specifically, those who don't have a lot of land and would welcome a crop that climbsjust a thought.MikeJason& Katie wrote:> i believe the fruits all ripen at once, or close to it, and it was just over > a week ago that i planted them(10 or 12 days) and YAY! i am thrilled ;)>> Jason> ICQ#: 154998177> MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (most likely to get me)>> - Original Message - > From: "lres1" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> To: > Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 8:43 PM> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] castorbeans>>> >> Good to hear of successes. Some questions and observations if you can >> help.>>>> Do the Castor seeds on the plant all ripen at one time? Have not had mine >> in>> long enough to know and using cuttings to speed up quantities for>> transplanting.Jatropha seeds do not all ripen at one time so>> picking/harvesting is or can be very labor intensive. How long did it take>> for your Castor beans to sprout all up?>>>> My Castor beans sprouted and grew. I then cut some of the branches and >> stuck>> them in compost and dirt mixed pots. Seems that most of the clippings are>> starting to sprout. Am not sure why but was told that this could not be>> done. Seems once the beans have sprouted, the clippings seem to grow>> quicker. 5 days to see the clippings developing new growth.>>>> Six days for the Jatropha to sprout from seeds and 17 days to see action >> or>> small signs of growth from Jatropha clippings.>>>> All good to see up and growing. Need to put more Castor clippings in pots>> ready for planting out.>>>> Doug>>>> [snip]>> ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Do you Yahoo!?Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.0/368 - Release Date: 6/16/2006 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.0/368 - Release Date: 6/16/2006 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] castorbeans
Hi Juan, I saw the word "beans" and thought of a climbing plant, like a string bean. ...bad assumption. I'm definitely NOT a farmer. Anyway, I'll check Keith's links. Thanks. -Redler Juan Boveda wrote: Hello Mike Redler. That crop is like a big bush, in this subtropical country it grows like a weed (no insecticides needed) but it needs a fertile dirt, water and a half-squared meter for its deep roots. I does not climbs, more likely it can be used for the urban farmer as a shadow for parking lots if they are planted in groups. It was discussed the production of biodiesel from castor and Keith sent to the list the following message that has many links. Best Regards. Juan Boveda Paraguay -original- From: Keith Addison [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 3/30/ 2006 5:38 For: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Seeking experience to produce biodiesel from Castor Anyone care to share any experiences with castor oil based biodiesel brewing using small-scale plants? I am told that castor oil dissolves in alcohols and external heating is eliminated from the process. I'm also hearing conjectures that castor based biodiesel will not freeze even below -20 deg C. Any pointers to more specific info along these lines? I'll get to my own brewing/learning experiments soon (and I'll start with proven processes and materials described on J2FE), but we could do with as much existing wisdom as we can get our hands on, especially because what we want to get into out here is not only for our personal consumption. Many thanks in advance for any help. Chandan Hi Chandan I can't share any experience of using castor oil but I can offer some information which might help. It's been discussed a few times before, I think other list members may have direct experience of it. List archives: http://snipurl.com/oeit Search results for 'castor' The one disadvantage mentioned, that I haven't seen an answer to, was that crushing the seeds creates a seriously bad odour, enough to put people off. Also the cake is poinsonous, but James Duke says: "Although it is highly toxic due to the ricin, a method of detoxicating the meal has now been found, so that it can safely be fed to livestock.MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "www.hort.purdue.edu" claiming to be " http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/duke_energy/Ricinus_communis.html Ricinus communis The toxic principle is water-soluble so is not found in the oil. It's also said to be a drying oil, the equal of tung oil, yet it has a much lower Iodine Value, though Iodine Value is quite a crude indicator of whether oils will polymerise or not and castor oil seems to be an exception. On the other hand it has a longstanding reputation of being an excellent motor oil. This is an informative website about castor oil, and biodiesel generally: http://www.castoroil.in/uses/fuel/castor_oil_fuel.html Castor Oil as Biofuel & Biodiesel - Info, WWW Resources on Castoroil as Bio-fuel, Bio-diesel Others: http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/afcm/castor.html Castorbeans http://www.ibiblio.org/pfaf/cgi-bin/arr_html?Ricinus+communis Ricinus communis http://snipurl.com/oeiu The Hindu Business Line : Gujarat Oleo Chem bags Rs 25-cr biodiesel order from IOC Gujarat Oleo Chem bags Rs 25-cr biodiesel order from IOC Mumbai , Aug 3 http://www.tierramerica.net/2003/0526/ianalisis.shtml Energy in a Castor Bean The castor-oil plant, ricinus communis, is the best source for creating "biodiesel", say Brazilian experts. http://www.allbusiness.com/periodicals/article/278737-1.html First electricity from castor oil: Patrick Knight reports on how the biodiesel industry in Brazil is taking off. From Oils & Fats International: Nov, 2004 issue Hope this helps. Best Keith [snip] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] castorbeans
I have been reading the posts concerning the casterbean and feel that I must give a little input on the subject as I have had some experience in growing the plant a few years ago. The plant grows into a stalk approximately 5-7' tall with a diameter of approximately 4', it will continue to produce seeds continuely for several months. The seeds grow from bunches with approximately 6-8 seed pods per bunch, with each pod containing 3 seeds encased in a hard shell. As someone else has already pointed out the seeds are very poisonous, even one seed ingested by a child or a small animal can make them very sick. When you extract all of the oil from the seeds, what you have left is one of the most poisonous substances known to man, it is then called ricin, which is very illegal to possess in the US.I would highly suggest that the casterbean be researched very thoroughly before extracting the oil.Mike Redler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm wondering if such an oil producing plant is a good candidate for the urban fuel farmer. More specifically, those who don't have a lot of land and would welcome a crop that climbsjust a thought.MikeJason& Katie wrote:> i believe the fruits all ripen at once, or close to it, and it was just over > a week ago that i planted them(10 or 12 days) and YAY! i am thrilled ;)>> Jason> ICQ#: 154998177> MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (most likely to get me)>> - Original Message - > From: "lres1" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> To: > Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 8:43 PM> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] castorbeans>>> >> Good to hear of successes. Some questions and observations if you can >> help.>>>> Do the Castor seeds on the plant all ripen at one time? Have not had mine >> in>> long enough to know and using cuttings to speed up quantities for>> transplanting.Jatropha seeds do not all ripen at one time so>> picking/harvesting is or can be very labor intensive. How long did it take>> for your Castor beans to sprout all up?>>>> My Castor beans sprouted and grew. I then cut some of the branches and >> stuck>> them in compost and dirt mixed pots. Seems that most of the clippings are>> starting to sprout. Am not sure why but was told that this could not be>> done. Seems once the beans have sprouted, the clippings seem to grow>> quicker. 5 days to see the clippings developing new growth.>>>> Six days for the Jatropha to sprout from seeds and 17 days to see action >> or>> small signs of growth from Jatropha clippings.>>>> All good to see up and growing. Need to put more Castor clippings in pots>> ready for planting out.>>>> Doug>>>> [snip]>> ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Do you Yahoo!? Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta.___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] castorbeans
It is used in the states as decorative plant Juan Boveda wrote: >Hello Mike Redler. >That crop is like a big bush, in this subtropical country it grows like a >weed (no insecticides needed) but it needs a fertile dirt, water and a >half-squared meter for its deep roots. I does not climbs, more likely it >can be used for the urban farmer as a shadow for parking lots if they are >planted in groups. It was discussed the production of biodiesel from castor >and Keith sent to the list the following message that has many links. >Best Regards. > >Juan Boveda >Paraguay > > >-original- >From: Keith Addison [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: 3/30/ 2006 5:38 >For: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Seeking experience to produce biodiesel from >Castor > > > >>Anyone care to share any experiences with castor oil based biodiesel >>brewing using small-scale plants? I am told that castor oil dissolves >>in alcohols and external heating is eliminated from the process. I'm >>also hearing conjectures that castor based biodiesel will not freeze >>even below -20 deg C. Any pointers to more specific info along these >> >> >lines? > > >>I'll get to my own brewing/learning experiments soon (and I'll start >>with proven processes and materials described on J2FE), but we could do >>with as much existing wisdom as we can get our hands on, especially >>because what we want to get into out here is not only for our personal >>consumption. Many thanks in advance for any help. >> >>Chandan >> >> > >Hi Chandan > >I can't share any experience of using castor oil but I can offer some >information which might help. It's been discussed a few times before, >I think other list members may have direct experience of it. > >List archives: >http://snipurl.com/oeit >Search results for 'castor' > >The one disadvantage mentioned, that I haven't seen an answer to, was >that crushing the seeds creates a seriously bad odour, enough to put >people off. Also the cake is poinsonous, but James Duke says: >"Although it is highly toxic due to the ricin, a method of >detoxicating the meal has now been found, so that it can safely be >fed to livestock." > >http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/duke_energy/Ricinus_communis.html >Ricinus communis > >The toxic principle is water-soluble so is not found in the oil. It's >also said to be a drying oil, the equal of tung oil, yet it has a >much lower Iodine Value, though Iodine Value is quite a crude >indicator of whether oils will polymerise or not and castor oil seems >to be an exception. On the other hand it has a longstanding >reputation of being an excellent motor oil. > >This is an informative website about castor oil, and biodiesel generally: > >http://www.castoroil.in/uses/fuel/castor_oil_fuel.html >Castor Oil as Biofuel & Biodiesel - Info, WWW Resources on Castoroil >as Bio-fuel, Bio-diesel > >Others: > >http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/afcm/castor.html >Castorbeans > >http://www.ibiblio.org/pfaf/cgi-bin/arr_html?Ricinus+communis >Ricinus communis > >http://snipurl.com/oeiu >The Hindu Business Line : Gujarat Oleo Chem bags Rs 25-cr biodiesel >order from IOC >Gujarat Oleo Chem bags Rs 25-cr biodiesel order from IOC >Mumbai , Aug 3 > >http://www.tierramerica.net/2003/0526/ianalisis.shtml >Energy in a Castor Bean >The castor-oil plant, ricinus communis, is the best source for >creating "biodiesel", say Brazilian experts. > >http://www.allbusiness.com/periodicals/article/278737-1.html >First electricity from castor oil: Patrick Knight reports on how the >biodiesel industry in Brazil is taking off. > From Oils & Fats International: Nov, 2004 issue > >Hope this helps. > >Best > >Keith > > > > > >From: Mike Redler [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: 6/16/2006 10:59 >For: biofuel@sustainablelists.org >Subject: Re: [Biofuel] castorbeans > >I'm wondering if such an oil producing plant is a good candidate for the >urban fuel farmer. More specifically, those who don't have a lot of land >and would welcome a crop that climbs. > >...just a thought. > >Mike > > >Jason& Katie wrote: > > >>i believe the fruits all ripen at once, or close to it, and it was just >> >> >over > > >>a week ago that i planted them(10 or 12 days) and YAY! i am thrilled ;) >> >>Jason >>ICQ#: 154998177 >>MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (most likely to get me) >> >>---
Re: [Biofuel] castorbeans
Hello Mike Redler. That crop is like a big bush, in this subtropical country it grows like a weed (no insecticides needed) but it needs a fertile dirt, water and a half-squared meter for its deep roots. I does not climbs, more likely it can be used for the urban farmer as a shadow for parking lots if they are planted in groups. It was discussed the production of biodiesel from castor and Keith sent to the list the following message that has many links. Best Regards. Juan Boveda Paraguay -original- From: Keith Addison [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 3/30/ 2006 5:38 For:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject:Re: [Biofuel] Seeking experience to produce biodiesel from Castor >Anyone care to share any experiences with castor oil based biodiesel >brewing using small-scale plants? I am told that castor oil dissolves >in alcohols and external heating is eliminated from the process. I'm >also hearing conjectures that castor based biodiesel will not freeze >even below -20 deg C. Any pointers to more specific info along these lines? > >I'll get to my own brewing/learning experiments soon (and I'll start >with proven processes and materials described on J2FE), but we could do >with as much existing wisdom as we can get our hands on, especially >because what we want to get into out here is not only for our personal >consumption. Many thanks in advance for any help. > >Chandan Hi Chandan I can't share any experience of using castor oil but I can offer some information which might help. It's been discussed a few times before, I think other list members may have direct experience of it. List archives: http://snipurl.com/oeit Search results for 'castor' The one disadvantage mentioned, that I haven't seen an answer to, was that crushing the seeds creates a seriously bad odour, enough to put people off. Also the cake is poinsonous, but James Duke says: "Although it is highly toxic due to the ricin, a method of detoxicating the meal has now been found, so that it can safely be fed to livestock." http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/duke_energy/Ricinus_communis.html Ricinus communis The toxic principle is water-soluble so is not found in the oil. It's also said to be a drying oil, the equal of tung oil, yet it has a much lower Iodine Value, though Iodine Value is quite a crude indicator of whether oils will polymerise or not and castor oil seems to be an exception. On the other hand it has a longstanding reputation of being an excellent motor oil. This is an informative website about castor oil, and biodiesel generally: http://www.castoroil.in/uses/fuel/castor_oil_fuel.html Castor Oil as Biofuel & Biodiesel - Info, WWW Resources on Castoroil as Bio-fuel, Bio-diesel Others: http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/afcm/castor.html Castorbeans http://www.ibiblio.org/pfaf/cgi-bin/arr_html?Ricinus+communis Ricinus communis http://snipurl.com/oeiu The Hindu Business Line : Gujarat Oleo Chem bags Rs 25-cr biodiesel order from IOC Gujarat Oleo Chem bags Rs 25-cr biodiesel order from IOC Mumbai , Aug 3 http://www.tierramerica.net/2003/0526/ianalisis.shtml Energy in a Castor Bean The castor-oil plant, ricinus communis, is the best source for creating "biodiesel", say Brazilian experts. http://www.allbusiness.com/periodicals/article/278737-1.html First electricity from castor oil: Patrick Knight reports on how the biodiesel industry in Brazil is taking off. From Oils & Fats International: Nov, 2004 issue Hope this helps. Best Keith From: Mike Redler [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 6/16/2006 10:59 For:biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject:Re: [Biofuel] castorbeans I'm wondering if such an oil producing plant is a good candidate for the urban fuel farmer. More specifically, those who don't have a lot of land and would welcome a crop that climbs. ...just a thought. Mike Jason& Katie wrote: > i believe the fruits all ripen at once, or close to it, and it was just over > a week ago that i planted them(10 or 12 days) and YAY! i am thrilled ;) > > Jason > ICQ#: 154998177 > MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (most likely to get me) > > - Original Message - > From: "lres1" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 8:43 PM > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] castorbeans > > > >> Good to hear of successes. Some questions and observations if you can >> help. >> >> Do the Castor seeds on the plant all ripen at one time? Have not had mine >> in >> long enough to know and using cuttings to speed up quantities for >> transplanting.Jatropha seeds do not all ripen at one time so >> picking/harvesting is or can be very labor intensive. How long did it take >> for your Castor beans to sprout all up? >&
Re: [Biofuel] castorbeans
I'm wondering if such an oil producing plant is a good candidate for the urban fuel farmer. More specifically, those who don't have a lot of land and would welcome a crop that climbs. ...just a thought. Mike Jason& Katie wrote: > i believe the fruits all ripen at once, or close to it, and it was just over > a week ago that i planted them(10 or 12 days) and YAY! i am thrilled ;) > > Jason > ICQ#: 154998177 > MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (most likely to get me) > > - Original Message - > From: "lres1" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 8:43 PM > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] castorbeans > > > >> Good to hear of successes. Some questions and observations if you can >> help. >> >> Do the Castor seeds on the plant all ripen at one time? Have not had mine >> in >> long enough to know and using cuttings to speed up quantities for >> transplanting.Jatropha seeds do not all ripen at one time so >> picking/harvesting is or can be very labor intensive. How long did it take >> for your Castor beans to sprout all up? >> >> My Castor beans sprouted and grew. I then cut some of the branches and >> stuck >> them in compost and dirt mixed pots. Seems that most of the clippings are >> starting to sprout. Am not sure why but was told that this could not be >> done. Seems once the beans have sprouted, the clippings seem to grow >> quicker. 5 days to see the clippings developing new growth. >> >> Six days for the Jatropha to sprout from seeds and 17 days to see action >> or >> small signs of growth from Jatropha clippings. >> >> All good to see up and growing. Need to put more Castor clippings in pots >> ready for planting out. >> >> Doug >> >> [snip] >> ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] castorbeans
i believe the fruits all ripen at once, or close to it, and it was just over a week ago that i planted them(10 or 12 days) and YAY! i am thrilled ;) Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (most likely to get me) - Original Message - From: "lres1" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 8:43 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] castorbeans > Good to hear of successes. Some questions and observations if you can > help. > > Do the Castor seeds on the plant all ripen at one time? Have not had mine > in > long enough to know and using cuttings to speed up quantities for > transplanting.Jatropha seeds do not all ripen at one time so > picking/harvesting is or can be very labor intensive. How long did it take > for your Castor beans to sprout all up? > > My Castor beans sprouted and grew. I then cut some of the branches and > stuck > them in compost and dirt mixed pots. Seems that most of the clippings are > starting to sprout. Am not sure why but was told that this could not be > done. Seems once the beans have sprouted, the clippings seem to grow > quicker. 5 days to see the clippings developing new growth. > > Six days for the Jatropha to sprout from seeds and 17 days to see action > or > small signs of growth from Jatropha clippings. > > All good to see up and growing. Need to put more Castor clippings in pots > ready for planting out. > > Doug > > From: "Jason& Katie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 6:44 AM > Subject: [Biofuel] castorbeans > > >> my castor plants have finally sprouted! sometime today im guessing, > because >> they were not visible this morning. oh well, back to the porch... >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.0/366 - Release Date: 6/15/2006 >> >> >> ___ >> Biofuel mailing list >> Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >> http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org >> >> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html >> >> Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 > messages): >> http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ >> >> >> >> Information from NOD32 >> This message was checked by NOD32 Antivirus System for Linux Mail >> Servers. >> part000.txt - is OK >> http://www.eset.com >> >> -- >> This message has been scanned for viruses and >> dangerous content by Lao Telecom MailScanner with NOD32, and is >> believed to be clean. > > > > Information from NOD32 > This message was checked by NOD32 Antivirus System for Linux Mail Servers. > part000.txt - is OK > http://www.eset.com > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by Lao Telecom MailScanner with NOD32, and is > believed to be clean. > > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 > messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.0/366 - Release Date: 6/15/2006 > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.0/366 - Release Date: 6/15/2006 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] castorbeans
Good to hear of successes. Some questions and observations if you can help. Do the Castor seeds on the plant all ripen at one time? Have not had mine in long enough to know and using cuttings to speed up quantities for transplanting.Jatropha seeds do not all ripen at one time so picking/harvesting is or can be very labor intensive. How long did it take for your Castor beans to sprout all up? My Castor beans sprouted and grew. I then cut some of the branches and stuck them in compost and dirt mixed pots. Seems that most of the clippings are starting to sprout. Am not sure why but was told that this could not be done. Seems once the beans have sprouted, the clippings seem to grow quicker. 5 days to see the clippings developing new growth. Six days for the Jatropha to sprout from seeds and 17 days to see action or small signs of growth from Jatropha clippings. All good to see up and growing. Need to put more Castor clippings in pots ready for planting out. Doug From: "Jason& Katie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 6:44 AM Subject: [Biofuel] castorbeans > my castor plants have finally sprouted! sometime today im guessing, because > they were not visible this morning. oh well, back to the porch... > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.0/366 - Release Date: 6/15/2006 > > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > > > Information from NOD32 > This message was checked by NOD32 Antivirus System for Linux Mail Servers. > part000.txt - is OK > http://www.eset.com > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by Lao Telecom MailScanner with NOD32, and is > believed to be clean. Information from NOD32 This message was checked by NOD32 Antivirus System for Linux Mail Servers. part000.txt - is OK http://www.eset.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by Lao Telecom MailScanner with NOD32, and is believed to be clean. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] castorbeans
my castor plants have finally sprouted! sometime today im guessing, because they were not visible this morning. oh well, back to the porch... -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.0/366 - Release Date: 6/15/2006 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
