[Biofuel] rigged voting machines was Oil and democracy -was-Scientific method
It might be a good idea to get rid of those nasty Diebolt rigged voting machines that left no paper trail. During the election the ceo of that co, told Bush I'll deliver Ohio. On a similar note, a local professor obtained the machine code for the units and had his students analize it. They found that it used an encryption key that had been discontinued in 1994 and was easily hackable by phone line. Might want to leave a proper paper trail next time, so at least the count can be verified for irregularities. Get your daily alternative energy news Alternate Energy Resource Network 1000+ news sources-resources updated daily http://www.alternate-energy.net ---Original Message--- From: Chip Mefford [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Oil and democracy -was-Scientific method Sent: 27 Oct '05 16:16 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Paul S Cantrell wrote: The last 2 elections would have probably gone the other way if it were simple majority. I think the concerns over time zones and the like could be worked out and we might have more than 2 twin parties. Personally, I think some simple changes would fix a lot of what is currently borked in the US political system. Debates for instance, pretty much all public debating (meaning televised) is done of, by and for the Twin Partys. This should cease immediately. This much of the system process would be well served by true open debate, including by design third or fringe party candidates. I think this alone would be easy to handle under law. I think it could make a huge difference. I concurr that the electoral college system is also borked, however, the simple majority system is also deeply flawed. Folks try to look at things as if there were red and blue states (because it's the state vote that counts). But it isn't red and blue states, it's urban vs rural. http://brianhayes.com/2005/09/red-blue-rural-urban.html in a popular election, the urbanites would win outright. Policy would be set by those living furthest from the elemental necessities of existance. blah blah blah. The Twin Party system is very much a very real problem. imho, the democrats have nothing to offer, they (at the top tiers) represent a life that I know little of. The republicans have nothing to offer, they (at the top tiers) represent a power structure that has no grasp on what the philosophic common man has to face in day to day life, AT ALL. The Libertarians (with a capitol L) have become the party of I've got mine, and whatever I do to keep it is okay, you don't matter, at all. America, the US, is hardly a united states at all. It is a chain (as it's nicely worded in the Urban Archipelago) of islands. I'm just old enough to have spent a few formative years hitchhiking around America, in some ways too many years, in other ways, not enough. But in those days people still hitchhiked, and still met all kinds of folks. Now, no one hitchhikes, but everyone jabbers on cellphones, ignoring the person standing next to them in line. blah blah blah. - -- Get your daily alternative energy news Alternate Energy Resource Network http://www.alternate-energy.net 1000+ news sources - resources updated daily next_generation_grid http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid news resources forums tomorrow-energy http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy Alternative Energy Politics http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] rigged voting machines was Oil and democracy -was-Scientific method
That explains why all of the exit polls showed Kerry a clear leader, and when W was told he was losing in the exit polls he showed no sign of reaction. - Original Message - From: Alt.EnergyNetwork [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 6:23 PM Subject: [Biofuel] rigged voting machines was Oil and democracy -was-Scientific method It might be a good idea to get rid of those nasty Diebolt rigged voting machines that left no paper trail. During the election the ceo of that co, told Bush I'll deliver Ohio. On a similar note, a local professor obtained the machine code for the units and had his students analize it. They found that it used an encryption key that had been discontinued in 1994 and was easily hackable by phone line. Might want to leave a proper paper trail next time, so at least the count can be verified for irregularities. Get your daily alternative energy news Alternate Energy Resource Network 1000+ news sources-resources updated daily http://www.alternate-energy.net ---Original Message--- From: Chip Mefford [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Oil and democracy -was-Scientific method Sent: 27 Oct '05 16:16 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Paul S Cantrell wrote: The last 2 elections would have probably gone the other way if it were simple majority. I think the concerns over time zones and the like could be worked out and we might have more than 2 twin parties. Personally, I think some simple changes would fix a lot of what is currently borked in the US political system. Debates for instance, pretty much all public debating (meaning televised) is done of, by and for the Twin Partys. This should cease immediately. This much of the system process would be well served by true open debate, including by design third or fringe party candidates. I think this alone would be easy to handle under law. I think it could make a huge difference. I concurr that the electoral college system is also borked, however, the simple majority system is also deeply flawed. Folks try to look at things as if there were red and blue states (because it's the state vote that counts). But it isn't red and blue states, it's urban vs rural. http://brianhayes.com/2005/09/red-blue-rural-urban.html in a popular election, the urbanites would win outright. Policy would be set by those living furthest from the elemental necessities of existance. blah blah blah. The Twin Party system is very much a very real problem. imho, the democrats have nothing to offer, they (at the top tiers) represent a life that I know little of. The republicans have nothing to offer, they (at the top tiers) represent a power structure that has no grasp on what the philosophic common man has to face in day to day life, AT ALL. The Libertarians (with a capitol L) have become the party of I've got mine, and whatever I do to keep it is okay, you don't matter, at all. America, the US, is hardly a united states at all. It is a chain (as it's nicely worded in the Urban Archipelago) of islands. I'm just old enough to have spent a few formative years hitchhiking around America, in some ways too many years, in other ways, not enough. But in those days people still hitchhiked, and still met all kinds of folks. Now, no one hitchhikes, but everyone jabbers on cellphones, ignoring the person standing next to them in line. blah blah blah. - -- Get your daily alternative energy news Alternate Energy Resource Network http://www.alternate-energy.net 1000+ news sources - resources updated daily next_generation_grid http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid news resources forums tomorrow-energy http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy Alternative Energy Politics http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] rigged voting machines was Oil and democracy -was-Scientific method
Alt.EnergyNetwork wrote: It might be a good idea to get rid of those nasty Diebolt rigged voting machines that left no paper trail. During the election the ceo of that co, told Bush I'll deliver Ohio. This is being parroted way out of context. The CEO of Diebold was chairman of some committee - I forget whether it was the Republican party or a re-election committee - that was working on re-electing Bush. He was clearly speaking in this capacity. Yes, he should have known better than to utter something like that, but surrounded by fellow Republicans at a re-election rally it's understandable. On a similar note, a local professor obtained the machine code for the units and had his students analize it. They found that it used an encryption key that had been discontinued in 1994 and was easily hackable by phone line. Might want to leave a proper paper trail next time, so at least the count can be verified for irregularities. My take on the last election is that if something happened to steal the election it was likely done at the central points that tallied votes from voting machines all over - optically scanned systems as well as the paperless blackboxes. Anyone interested in knowing more should surf on over to http://blackboxvoting.org/ and get a good background. BTW, if anyone has the exit polls of the 2004 presidential election before the polling organization corrected them to match the reported vote totals, please contact me off-list. --- David ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] rigged voting machines was Oil and democracy -was-Scientific method
I believe it was a Johns Hopkins team that found it on an unsecured ftp server. David Miller wrote: Alt.EnergyNetwork wrote: It might be a good idea to get rid of those nasty Diebolt rigged voting machines that left no paper trail. During the election the ceo of that co, told Bush I'll deliver Ohio. This is being parroted way out of context. The CEO of Diebold was chairman of some committee - I forget whether it was the Republican party or a re-election committee - that was working on re-electing Bush. He was clearly speaking in this capacity. Yes, he should have known better than to utter something like that, but surrounded by fellow Republicans at a re-election rally it's understandable. On a similar note, a local professor obtained the machine code for the units and had his students analize it. They found that it used an encryption key that had been discontinued in 1994 and was easily hackable by phone line. Might want to leave a proper paper trail next time, so at least the count can be verified for irregularities. My take on the last election is that if something happened to steal the election it was likely done at the central points that tallied votes from voting machines all over - optically scanned systems as well as the paperless blackboxes. Anyone interested in knowing more should surf on over to http://blackboxvoting.org/ and get a good background. BTW, if anyone has the exit polls of the 2004 presidential election before the polling organization corrected them to match the reported vote totals, please contact me off-list. --- David ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
