Re: [Biofuel] tanstafl

2004-09-15 Thread Buck Williams


thanks alan,, what i hadd si similair to straoke,,anoxic 
encepaathlpaathay, cept thatt as sstroke is almost totalaa damage in signle 
area, i have  small damages spreaddd in many area,i wasss voracccious 
reader,, that tnded in 2000, my writing is almsot illegible,,, even to 
me, if i leavee it awhile i have very straong lefft and right finder 
substtitution, finger for fingerrr,the bad thisng is , it still makes 
wordsss, tho not the ones i wanteddd, sometimes up and downsometimess 
random lettersss seem to work therir way in,,,also i dont see the 
mispelling,,, i thisnk i see hwat i expect to s. howerver, someplace 
somethking decided it was goingg to spell some thaisngs in newww ways, 
ikf i spell verry carefually, i can spell truckk,, but if i just let loose 
and type it it comes out truack with extra a,  and detroiiit diesel is same 
way,,,  heck when im thinking about it ti doenst doe it,nayway,,, extra a 
same way,,,and letterreversals,,itss almost amausing in a baizarree way, my 
head says truck and dmy hand sayss trauckc,whattt is realy amuzisnd and 
amazing to me is if iwritee, my hand iss shaking>seems random, yet the 
shaky for example O hasss a straong notch in hte lower left, if i do te 
or twentyeven fast, they all mosttly are pretty mcuh the same with the 
notchc on lower left, so the shaking is not random,>just an observataion, 
thanks for answerr, and support,,, this is buck,,,Subject: Re: [Biofuel] 
tanstafl

Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 23:30:02 -0400

Keith Addison wrote:


Languages

The list language is English, but if you are a non-native English speaker 
please don't let that stop you. Many list members write bad English but 
it doesn't matter, even very bad English is easy to understand. Use the 
language translation programs on the Web if you like, they're not very 
good sometimes, but again it doesn't matter. The list is not just for the 
"Western English-speaking males" who mostly populate the Internet, it is 
for everyone, with a special interest in the "3rd World" countries of the 
Global South.


One of the advantages of English is that it can be understood when spoken 
(or written) _badly_.  Many other languages are not so fortunate.


That applies to you, no? It's obviously not easy for you, thanks for 
taking the trouble to make the effort.


I don't know about anyone else, but I had no trouble reading your message. 
I think anyone should be able to read it quite easily.


Slow reading, but I was able to get through it.

A couple of years ago my father had a small stroke.  The only lasting 
effect has been to his handwriting.  He's a doctor, so his handwriting was 
bad enough already, and now it's practically illegible, but I can usually 
puzzle through it.



Kirk McLoren sent me this a while back:

"Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer waht 
oredr the ltteers of a wrod are in, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht the 
frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a total mses 
and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid 
deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe."


Could you read that?

Midori just read it without any difficulty at all, and she's Japanese, not 
a native-English speaker. She thought it was very funny. So do I. So much 
for spelling, eh? No need.


This is why anagrams can be so interesting.


But I should help you with this:

TANSTAAFL - There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch.


And somewhere out there Robert A. Heinlein, peace be upon him, is smiling.


AP

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Re: [Biofuel] tanstafl

2004-09-14 Thread Alan Petrillo




Languages

The list language is English, but if you are a non-native English 
speaker please don't let that stop you. Many list members write bad 
English but it doesn't matter, even very bad English is easy to 
understand. Use the language translation programs on the Web if you 
like, they're not very good sometimes, but again it doesn't matter. 
The list is not just for the "Western English-speaking males" who 
mostly populate the Internet, it is for everyone, with a special 
interest in the "3rd World" countries of the Global South.


One of the advantages of English is that it can be understood when 
spoken (or written) _badly_.  Many other languages are not so fortunate.


That applies to you, no? It's obviously not easy for you, thanks for 
taking the trouble to make the effort.


I don't know about anyone else, but I had no trouble reading your 
message. I think anyone should be able to read it quite easily.


Slow reading, but I was able to get through it.

A couple of years ago my father had a small stroke.  The only lasting 
effect has been to his handwriting.  He's a doctor, so his handwriting 
was bad enough already, and now it's practically illegible, but I can 
usually puzzle through it.



Kirk McLoren sent me this a while back:

"Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer 
waht oredr the ltteers of a wrod are in, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is 
taht the frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a 
total mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae 
the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a 
wlohe."


Could you read that?

Midori just read it without any difficulty at all, and she's Japanese, 
not a native-English speaker. She thought it was very funny. So do I. So 
much for spelling, eh? No need.


This is why anagrams can be so interesting.


But I should help you with this:

TANSTAAFL - There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch.


And somewhere out there Robert A. Heinlein, peace be upon him, is smiling.


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Re: [Biofuel] tanstafl%%

2004-09-12 Thread Buck Williams


thankss, it quait twice at homeee,,, 4 and 7 januaray after failure in 
december, paacemaker 11 jan 2000i am gratefaul for every daay, i am 
graateful it wansnst 8 minute3s instead of whatever it was,,, i would be in 
some va hospital with someone wiping my chiaan every coupale of dayssif i 
even survive, as it iss i can still drivee, its findde motor controal, 
not grosss, that i losot,inaabiklity to docntinue looong tainsss of thought, 
i get distractedd easily tyhong to illusstrate idesas, i sometimes tell an 
anecdont to clarify an idea and them forget what i was trying to clarrify,, 
i am not assking for sysmpatyhn, , i cleebrate living,,, diging at old 
idesasto come up ;with neww ones, makes me thing that if i exeraciseee it, 
some will come back, i was always very methnidical, this then, the other 
eaach in its own time,when i came back form fiet nam, the shrisnks called me 
obvsesive compulsivei think all machninnisstss musst be a=obsessi e 
compulsive,i belicevee all successful mechanical assembly reqires rules of 
assembly and order, i believe mosst hujman interactions can be compared to 
mechanical,,,sorryy cant find the workd,, push pull, inertia, energby,, 
cause and eeffect,

Buck,


> soem poeple want there texxt deliverd to them without error,,,
> correct in syintax and punctuataion,, and these thisnks are not 
posssible

> with me, this is what i have,, the circuits are scaramled, and all the
> dirsire on my partt and all the reminddders from (regular) peo;oe will 
not

> help me, this is what i have

What you've got is perfectly enough. Odd as it may sound, it's a pleasant
change of pace.
Nothing was received scrambled on this end.
Glad your ticker kicked back in when it did.

Todd Swearingen

- Original Message -
From: "Buck Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 5:39 PM
Subject: [Biofuel] tanstafl


> there aint no such thing as a free lunch!!i havent figuredd howw to
get
> theis to responnd to kparticularr posts sso i woll do itthis way  untill 
i

> get it riahgt,firsttt let me tell who and what i am, , i was retireddd
> millwright, mavnchinisst untill 3 yhears ago, my heart arrested, the
dxamage
> is similaair to straoke,, intellect iss intact, coantroall is not,,,
the
> brain knowsss how to spelll, the finddgers do not, please dojnn not
ask
> me to correfct my spelling, or usse spelllcheck, if i could do that i
woujld
> have been doing that three years ago, i dont remever much aboujt day
> beforeee yesterrday or last week with anay degr of accuraacy, but i
> rember 30, 20 ye3ars ago,i was a gas and staeaam turbine millwright,, i 
am

> ,was also precissisln machinist,,i will not respond in anay way to
political
> or ereligious questions, my back groaund is highly technicalll, i had to
> undersstand how thisngs worked i will try to help in any waya in
aresas
> that i am knowledgaable,, first to kim,, you canntot get freezing temps
> without putting some kind of energbgy into the sstystem, thats tanstafl, 
u

> may get mother nature to help,, i live in the high desert, the average
> humidityh is about 6-7 percent. sometimes lesss, we use evap coolerss to
> cool our house, (latent heat of evapoaration), it has fiber pads which 
are

> pumped with water, fan drawss air thru cooling the usual 105 d4egree air
to
> about 75-80 and the waterr in the bottom of the pan is usulally about 
60,
> thats mother nature helping if the humitdity is higher, 30-50 then 
the
> colller doesnt work very well, thats eficiency,, dryer,, more 
efficient,,,
> more humidity, less efficiendt your ground temp, 65 isnt bad,,, if 
you
> go down 12-14 most anyplace around the worlddd, except near the polses, 
or

> polar regions,,, you will find 68-70 degrees except in geothermal
> regions,  if your ground temp is 65,, possible,, then your 85 degree 
water

> temp in highlsy unlikely,, try this,,, wrap a large bucket with burlap,,
> arrange a drip so thaat it driops on the burlap, dont let the drp water
drip
> inside the abucket, if yourhumiotdity lefel is low enough, you will get
> water cool enough to enjhoy drinking,i hope u wont athink this mean of 
me,

> but if u want somesting, u misst first understand what your asking for,
and
> u cannot get a great energy exchange,, ambient to freezizng, without
> energy,, and if your ground temp is 65, and your waater temp is 85,,,??
have
> u measuredd the water temp just out ofthe ground, the more we know, the
more
> we can help,i hope u ;wont think me rude, i have been thru this man
> times, soem poeple want there texxt deliverd to them without error,,,
> correct in syintax and punctuataion,, and these thisnks are not 
posssible

> with me, this is what i have,, the circuits are scaramled, and all

Re: [Biofuel] tanstafl

2004-09-12 Thread Appal Energy

Buck,

> soem poeple want there texxt deliverd to them without error,,,
> correct in syintax and punctuataion,, and these thisnks are not posssible
> with me, this is what i have,, the circuits are scaramled, and all the
> dirsire on my partt and all the reminddders from (regular) peo;oe will not
> help me, this is what i have

What you've got is perfectly enough. Odd as it may sound, it's a pleasant
change of pace.
Nothing was received scrambled on this end.
Glad your ticker kicked back in when it did.

Todd Swearingen

- Original Message - 
From: "Buck Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 5:39 PM
Subject: [Biofuel] tanstafl


> there aint no such thing as a free lunch!!i havent figuredd howw to
get
> theis to responnd to kparticularr posts sso i woll do itthis way  untill i
> get it riahgt,firsttt let me tell who and what i am, , i was retireddd
> millwright, mavnchinisst untill 3 yhears ago, my heart arrested, the
dxamage
> is similaair to straoke,, intellect iss intact, coantroall is not,,,
the
> brain knowsss how to spelll, the finddgers do not, please dojnn not
ask
> me to correfct my spelling, or usse spelllcheck, if i could do that i
woujld
> have been doing that three years ago, i dont remever much aboujt day
> beforeee yesterrday or last week with anay degr of accuraacy, but i
> rember 30, 20 ye3ars ago,i was a gas and staeaam turbine millwright,, i am
> ,was also precissisln machinist,,i will not respond in anay way to
political
> or ereligious questions, my back groaund is highly technicalll, i had to
> undersstand how thisngs worked i will try to help in any waya in
aresas
> that i am knowledgaable,, first to kim,, you canntot get freezing temps
> without putting some kind of energbgy into the sstystem, thats tanstafl, u
> may get mother nature to help,, i live in the high desert, the average
> humidityh is about 6-7 percent. sometimes lesss, we use evap coolerss to
> cool our house, (latent heat of evapoaration), it has fiber pads which are
> pumped with water, fan drawss air thru cooling the usual 105 d4egree air
to
> about 75-80 and the waterr in the bottom of the pan is usulally about 60,
> thats mother nature helping if the humitdity is higher, 30-50 then the
> colller doesnt work very well, thats eficiency,, dryer,, more efficient,,,
> more humidity, less efficiendt your ground temp, 65 isnt bad,,, if you
> go down 12-14 most anyplace around the worlddd, except near the polses, or
> polar regions,,, you will find 68-70 degrees except in geothermal
> regions,  if your ground temp is 65,, possible,, then your 85 degree water
> temp in highlsy unlikely,, try this,,, wrap a large bucket with burlap,,
> arrange a drip so thaat it driops on the burlap, dont let the drp water
drip
> inside the abucket, if yourhumiotdity lefel is low enough, you will get
> water cool enough to enjhoy drinking,i hope u wont athink this mean of me,
> but if u want somesting, u misst first understand what your asking for,
and
> u cannot get a great energy exchange,, ambient to freezizng, without
> energy,, and if your ground temp is 65, and your waater temp is 85,,,??
have
> u measuredd the water temp just out ofthe ground, the more we know, the
more
> we can help,i hope u ;wont think me rude, i have been thru this man
> times, soem poeple want there texxt deliverd to them without error,,,
> correct in syintax and punctuataion,, and these thisnks are not posssible
> with me, this is what i have,, the circuits are scaramled, and all the
> dirsire on my partt and all the reminddders from (regular) peo;oe will not
> help me, this is what i have, for the friend wanting to put pure o2 in
your
> diesel,, dont dio it,, the dark smoke is engines response to temporary
lug,
> overfuell, under rpm condition, the engine is getting enough fuelo for say
> 3000 rpm,, what u put into it wouty your accelerator pedal,, the engine
> wants tor  run 3000 but the loaddd at the time holds it to say 1000.. so u
> get smoke if you put o2 in there, oxy combines readily with
> hydrocarboan readily, even without compression,, oxy on oily handss or
> closthes has put many machanincs in the hopspital, if you put o2 form your
> medical oxy bottle,, you will mosst likely get a lawn ornament,as the fuel
> injection sysstem is very carefully engineeered fuel, air managemanet
> system,, and you will not be able to easily control the necessary input of
> oxy,, if any of this upsets you,,, say so and i will cheerfully withdraww,
> buck
>
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Re: [Biofuel] tanstafl

2004-09-12 Thread Doug Foskey

Buck, you make a lot of sense. I found your text OK to readbut for the 
purists, perhaps someone could offer to edit it for you. (You sound very like 
my father, an old Fitter & Turner who has worked on ships & in 
industry/farming.)

regards Doug

On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 08:39 am, Buck Williams wrote:
> there aint no such thing as a free lunch!!i havent figuredd howw to get
> theis to responnd to kparticularr posts sso i woll do itthis way  untill i
> get it riahgt,firsttt let me tell who and what i am, , i was retireddd
> millwright, mavnchinisst untill 3 yhears ago, my heart arrested, the
> dxamage is similaair to straoke,, intellect iss intact, coantroall is
> not,,, the brain knowsss how to spelll, the finddgers do not, please
> dojnn not ask me to correfct my spelling, or usse spelllcheck, if i could
> do that i woujld have been doing that three years ago, i dont remever much
> aboujt day beforeee yesterrday or last week with anay degr of
> accuraacy, but i rember 30, 20 ye3ars ago,i was a gas and staeaam turbine
> millwright,, i am ,was also precissisln machinist,,i will not respond in
> anay way to political or ereligious questions, my back groaund is highly
> technicalll, i had to undersstand how thisngs worked i will try to help
> in any waya in aresas that i am knowledgaable,, first to kim,, you canntot
> get freezing temps without putting some kind of energbgy into the sstystem,
> thats tanstafl, u may get mother nature to help,, i live in the high
> desert, the average humidityh is about 6-7 percent. sometimes lesss, we use
> evap coolerss to cool our house, (latent heat of evapoaration), it has
> fiber pads which are pumped with water, fan drawss air thru cooling the
> usual 105 d4egree air to about 75-80 and the waterr in the bottom of the
> pan is usulally about 60, thats mother nature helping if the humitdity
> is higher, 30-50 then the colller doesnt work very well, thats eficiency,,
> dryer,, more efficient,,, more humidity, less efficiendt your ground
> temp, 65 isnt bad,,, if you go down 12-14 most anyplace around the worlddd,
> except near the polses, or polar regions,,, you will find 68-70 degrees
> except in geothermal regions,  if your ground temp is 65,, possible,, then
> your 85 degree water temp in highlsy unlikely,, try this,,, wrap a large
> bucket with burlap,, arrange a drip so thaat it driops on the burlap, dont
> let the drp water drip inside the abucket, if yourhumiotdity lefel is low
> enough, you will get water cool enough to enjhoy drinking,i hope u wont
> athink this mean of me, but if u want somesting, u misst first understand
> what your asking for, and u cannot get a great energy exchange,, ambient to
> freezizng, without energy,, and if your ground temp is 65, and your waater
> temp is 85,,,?? have u measuredd the water temp just out ofthe ground, the
> more we know, the more we can help,i hope u ;wont think me rude, i have
> been thru this man times, soem poeple want there texxt deliverd to them
> without error,,, correct in syintax and punctuataion,, and these thisnks
> are not posssible with me, this is what i have,, the circuits are
> scaramled, and all the dirsire on my partt and all the reminddders from
> (regular) peo;oe will not help me, this is what i have, for the friend
> wanting to put pure o2 in your diesel,, dont dio it,, the dark smoke is
> engines response to temporary lug, overfuell, under rpm condition, the
> engine is getting enough fuelo for say 3000 rpm,, what u put into it wouty
> your accelerator pedal,, the engine wants tor  run 3000 but the loaddd at
> the time holds it to say 1000.. so u get smoke if you put o2 in
> there, oxy combines readily with hydrocarboan readily, even without
> compression,, oxy on oily handss or closthes has put many machanincs in the
> hopspital, if you put o2 form your medical oxy bottle,, you will mosst
> likely get a lawn ornament,as the fuel injection sysstem is very carefully
> engineeered fuel, air managemanet system,, and you will not be able to
> easily control the necessary input of oxy,, if any of this upsets you,,,
> say so and i will cheerfully withdraww, buck
>
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Re: [Biofuel] tanstafl

2004-09-12 Thread Keith Addison




if any of this upsets you,,, say so and i will cheerfully withdraww, buck


Please don't withdraw, and please, there's no need to apologise. If 
anyone gets upset with you they'll have me to deal with too.


I posted a set of "List rules", more or less, when we moved the list 
to this new site recently from Yahoo, and this is one of the things 
it says:



Languages

The list language is English, but if you are a non-native English 
speaker please don't let that stop you. Many list members write bad 
English but it doesn't matter, even very bad English is easy to 
understand. Use the language translation programs on the Web if you 
like, they're not very good sometimes, but again it doesn't matter. 
The list is not just for the "Western English-speaking males" who 
mostly populate the Internet, it is for everyone, with a special 
interest in the "3rd World" countries of the Global South.


That applies to you, no? It's obviously not easy for you, thanks for 
taking the trouble to make the effort.


I don't know about anyone else, but I had no trouble reading your 
message. I think anyone should be able to read it quite easily.


Kirk McLoren sent me this a while back:

"Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer 
waht oredr the ltteers of a wrod are in, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is 
taht the frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be 
a total mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is 
bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the 
wrod as a wlohe."


Could you read that?

Midori just read it without any difficulty at all, and she's 
Japanese, not a native-English speaker. She thought it was very 
funny. So do I. So much for spelling, eh? No need.


Anyway, Buck, don't worry about it, please just go right ahead, feel free.

But I should help you with this:

TANSTAAFL - There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch.

Best wishes

Keith Addison
List owner


there aint no such thing as a free lunch!!i havent figuredd howw 
to get theis to responnd to kparticularr posts sso i woll do itthis 
way  untill i get it riahgt,firsttt let me tell who and what i am, , 
i was retireddd millwright, mavnchinisst untill 3 yhears ago, my 
heart arrested, the dxamage is similaair to straoke,, intellect iss 
intact, coantroall is not,,, the brain knowsss how to spelll, 
the finddgers do not, please dojnn not ask me to correfct my 
spelling, or usse spelllcheck, if i could do that i woujld have been 
doing that three years ago, i dont remever much aboujt day beforeee 
yesterrday or last week with anay degr of accuraacy, but i 
rember 30, 20 ye3ars ago,i was a gas and staeaam turbine 
millwright,, i am ,was also precissisln machinist,,i will not 
respond in anay way to political or ereligious questions, my back 
groaund is highly technicalll, i had to undersstand how thisngs 
worked i will try to help in any waya in aresas that i am 
knowledgaable,, first to kim,, you canntot get freezing temps 
without putting some kind of energbgy into the sstystem, thats 
tanstafl, u may get mother nature to help,, i live in the high 
desert, the average humidityh is about 6-7 percent. sometimes lesss, 
we use evap coolerss to cool our house, (latent heat of 
evapoaration), it has fiber pads which are pumped with water, fan 
drawss air thru cooling the usual 105 d4egree air to about 75-80 and 
the waterr in the bottom of the pan is usulally about 60, thats 
mother nature helping if the humitdity is higher, 30-50 then the 
colller doesnt work very well, thats eficiency,, dryer,, more 
efficient,,, more humidity, less efficiendt your ground temp, 65 
isnt bad,,, if you go down 12-14 most anyplace around the worlddd, 
except near the polses, or polar regions,,, you will find 68-70 
degrees except in geothermal regions,  if your ground temp is 
65,, possible,, then your 85 degree water temp in highlsy unlikely,, 
try this,,, wrap a large bucket with burlap,, arrange a drip so 
thaat it driops on the burlap, dont let the drp water drip inside 
the abucket, if yourhumiotdity lefel is low enough, you will get 
water cool enough to enjhoy drinking,i hope u wont athink this mean 
of me, but if u want somesting, u misst first understand what your 
asking for, and u cannot get a great energy exchange,, ambient to 
freezizng, without energy,, and if your ground temp is 65, and your 
waater temp is 85,,,?? have u measuredd the water temp just out 
ofthe ground, the more we know, the more we can help,i hope u ;wont 
think me rude, i have been thru this man times, soem poeple want 
there texxt deliverd to them without error,,, correct in syintax and 
punctuataion,, and these thisnks are not posssible with me, this is 
what i have,, the circuits are scaramled, and all the dirsire on my 
partt and all the reminddders from (regular) peo;oe will not help 
me, this is what i have, for the friend wanting to put pure o2 in 
your diesel,, dont dio it,

[Biofuel] tanstafl

2004-09-11 Thread Buck Williams


theis to responnd to kparticularr posts sso i woll do itthis way  untill i 
get it riahgt,firsttt let me tell who and what i am, , i was retireddd 
millwright, mavnchinisst untill 3 yhears ago, my heart arrested, the dxamage 
is similaair to straoke,, intellect iss intact, coantroall is not,,, the 
brain knowsss how to spelll, the finddgers do not, please dojnn not ask 
me to correfct my spelling, or usse spelllcheck, if i could do that i woujld 
have been doing that three years ago, i dont remever much aboujt day 
beforeee yesterrday or last week with anay degr of accuraacy, but i 
rember 30, 20 ye3ars ago,i was a gas and staeaam turbine millwright,, i am 
,was also precissisln machinist,,i will not respond in anay way to political 
or ereligious questions, my back groaund is highly technicalll, i had to 
undersstand how thisngs worked i will try to help in any waya in aresas 
that i am knowledgaable,, first to kim,, you canntot get freezing temps 
without putting some kind of energbgy into the sstystem, thats tanstafl, u 
may get mother nature to help,, i live in the high desert, the average 
humidityh is about 6-7 percent. sometimes lesss, we use evap coolerss to 
cool our house, (latent heat of evapoaration), it has fiber pads which are 
pumped with water, fan drawss air thru cooling the usual 105 d4egree air to 
about 75-80 and the waterr in the bottom of the pan is usulally about 60, 
thats mother nature helping if the humitdity is higher, 30-50 then the 
colller doesnt work very well, thats eficiency,, dryer,, more efficient,,, 
more humidity, less efficiendt your ground temp, 65 isnt bad,,, if you 
go down 12-14 most anyplace around the worlddd, except near the polses, or 
polar regions,,, you will find 68-70 degrees except in geothermal 
regions,  if your ground temp is 65,, possible,, then your 85 degree water 
temp in highlsy unlikely,, try this,,, wrap a large bucket with burlap,, 
arrange a drip so thaat it driops on the burlap, dont let the drp water drip 
inside the abucket, if yourhumiotdity lefel is low enough, you will get 
water cool enough to enjhoy drinking,i hope u wont athink this mean of me, 
but if u want somesting, u misst first understand what your asking for, and 
u cannot get a great energy exchange,, ambient to freezizng, without 
energy,, and if your ground temp is 65, and your waater temp is 85,,,?? have 
u measuredd the water temp just out ofthe ground, the more we know, the more 
we can help,i hope u ;wont think me rude, i have been thru this man 
times, soem poeple want there texxt deliverd to them without error,,, 
correct in syintax and punctuataion,, and these thisnks are not posssible 
with me, this is what i have,, the circuits are scaramled, and all the 
dirsire on my partt and all the reminddders from (regular) peo;oe will not 
help me, this is what i have, for the friend wanting to put pure o2 in your 
diesel,, dont dio it,, the dark smoke is engines response to temporary lug, 
overfuell, under rpm condition, the engine is getting enough fuelo for say 
3000 rpm,, what u put into it wouty your accelerator pedal,, the engine 
wants tor  run 3000 but the loaddd at the time holds it to say 1000.. so u 
get smoke if you put o2 in there, oxy combines readily with 
hydrocarboan readily, even without compression,, oxy on oily handss or 
closthes has put many machanincs in the hopspital, if you put o2 form your 
medical oxy bottle,, you will mosst likely get a lawn ornament,as the fuel 
injection sysstem is very carefully engineeered fuel, air managemanet 
system,, and you will not be able to easily control the necessary input of 
oxy,, if any of this upsets you,,, say so and i will cheerfully withdraww, 
buck


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