Re: Deleting - Re: [biofuel] Politics and Biofuels
I also have a little PC game habit, and while the habit is little, the games are not ( strategic & tactical sim. type games ). :-P And like I said before, I am sharing the computer with the wife, and she has her own agenda ( which does not include getting rid of outdated stuff ). Greg H. - Original Message - From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 12:22 Subject: Re: Deleting - Re: [biofuel] Politics and Biofuels > Hi Greg > > Sounds familiar... I know you're not a novice at this, and we're on > many of the same lists, so I know you get around. And I don't want to > suggest that you change the system you've developed. > > But (you knew that was coming, eh? - LOL!) there are a couple of > things that still don't add up for me. I imagine your machine's as > fast and capable as mine is, more or less - probably not much in it. > Your HD is 20Gb, mine's 40Gb, but it doesn't make any difference, my > disk is still three-quarters empty - it says "8.50 Gb on disk for > 73,519 items", very many of which contain many more items, I've no > idea how many altogether. Apart from mailing lists, other > correspondence and the databases I mentioned, there's also a rather > large website, with its own large set of info databases, and > correspondence, and yet another such for Journey to Forever itself > (the project rather than the website). And a whole bunch of other > stuff, including a digital library with a couple of thousand books > (and sort-of books) in it, plus a lot of journalism stuff. I get > 600-800 emails a day, a lot of that being feedback for Journey to > Forever, which needs response and proper management. But I never > delete anything. Do you really need to save space? Do you have a good > full-text search program? > > Best wishes > > Keith > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: Deleting - Re: [biofuel] Politics and Biofuels
Hi Greg Sounds familiar... I know you're not a novice at this, and we're on many of the same lists, so I know you get around. And I don't want to suggest that you change the system you've developed. But (you knew that was coming, eh? - LOL!) there are a couple of things that still don't add up for me. I imagine your machine's as fast and capable as mine is, more or less - probably not much in it. Your HD is 20Gb, mine's 40Gb, but it doesn't make any difference, my disk is still three-quarters empty - it says "8.50 Gb on disk for 73,519 items", very many of which contain many more items, I've no idea how many altogether. Apart from mailing lists, other correspondence and the databases I mentioned, there's also a rather large website, with its own large set of info databases, and correspondence, and yet another such for Journey to Forever itself (the project rather than the website). And a whole bunch of other stuff, including a digital library with a couple of thousand books (and sort-of books) in it, plus a lot of journalism stuff. I get 600-800 emails a day, a lot of that being feedback for Journey to Forever, which needs response and proper management. But I never delete anything. Do you really need to save space? Do you have a good full-text search program? Best wishes Keith >Keith, > >I understand, what you are talking about, and while I do have a 20 gig hard >drive in my computer, I also have a number of hobbies and interest. For each >of these, I may be on up to 3 or 4 list ( or more ), with a mail box for >each, with further break down of boxes for specific info, that I want to >categorize. For example: My wife and I share the same e-mail address, so we >both have our own separate folders. > >Within my folder I have a number of folders to include one for Research, in >Research, I have a folder for energy. In the energy folder I have >sub-folders for Bio-energy, Bio-fuel, Digestion, Energy Options, Fuel cells, >Gasification, Thermoelectric, and Wastewatts. These are all groups that I'm >am or have been a member of, or specific types of energy production. A >rough total for all of these folders is 8,500 e-mails ( and that is not >including sub-folders even within these ), I know for a fact that in another >primary subject folder, I have over 10,000 e-mails ( and that is not >including the e-mails in over a hundred sub-folders in that general >category ). > >While allot of info is good, stuff that will not be of use three days, a >week, a month from now really does not need to be saved. If I know that I >will not be able to attend a biofuel making seminar that is coming up next >month, why save it when I need the disk space for other things, that will be >of indefinite use? If one person post a link to a good web site, I can save >space by going to the web site and down loading the page, than saving the >post with the link, and the thirty comments that fallow it ( unless there is >info wrong on the site ). > >At times I may receive 500+ e-mails a day ( this is really true if two or >more list get a hot topic at the same time ), and if I did not go through >and wholesale delete some things that I don't have interest in ( or is of no >use to me ) I would run out of disk space in a hurry. > >If I could, I would crop many of the post I get, down to just the info I >need ( like highlighting the relevant parts of a text book ), but my e-mail >program won't let me do that ( in fact I don't know of any program that >would / could do that ). > >Greg H. > >- Original Message - >From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: >Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 07:23 >Subject: Deleting - Re: [biofuel] Politics and Biofuels > > > > > > Not picking on you, lots of people talk of deleting posts - but why? > > I know a few people still use low-capacity hard-disks, but for most > > disk capacity isn't a problem, with 10, 20, 40, 80 and more gigabyte > > disks standard now for some while, and fast machines that handle > > large amounts of data in no time. I regularly ask people please to > > crop irrelevant stuff (and multiple footers!) from their posts, but > > that's to save bandwidth, not disk space, and out of consideration > > for members with slow and/or expensive connections (often the case in > > 3rd World countries) and perhaps old gear. > > > > IMO it makes more sense to keep all posts. Deleting them is judging > > in advance what you may find useful later, and as an > > info-professional of long standing I can tell you that's not a > > judgment you can make with any assurance. > > > > A major advantage of subject-speci
Re: Deleting - Re: [biofuel] Politics and Biofuels
Keith, I understand, what you are talking about, and while I do have a 20 gig hard drive in my computer, I also have a number of hobbies and interest. For each of these, I may be on up to 3 or 4 list ( or more ), with a mail box for each, with further break down of boxes for specific info, that I want to categorize. For example: My wife and I share the same e-mail address, so we both have our own separate folders. Within my folder I have a number of folders to include one for Research, in Research, I have a folder for energy. In the energy folder I have sub-folders for Bio-energy, Bio-fuel, Digestion, Energy Options, Fuel cells, Gasification, Thermoelectric, and Wastewatts. These are all groups that I'm am or have been a member of, or specific types of energy production. A rough total for all of these folders is 8,500 e-mails ( and that is not including sub-folders even within these ), I know for a fact that in another primary subject folder, I have over 10,000 e-mails ( and that is not including the e-mails in over a hundred sub-folders in that general category ). While allot of info is good, stuff that will not be of use three days, a week, a month from now really does not need to be saved. If I know that I will not be able to attend a biofuel making seminar that is coming up next month, why save it when I need the disk space for other things, that will be of indefinite use? If one person post a link to a good web site, I can save space by going to the web site and down loading the page, than saving the post with the link, and the thirty comments that fallow it ( unless there is info wrong on the site ). At times I may receive 500+ e-mails a day ( this is really true if two or more list get a hot topic at the same time ), and if I did not go through and wholesale delete some things that I don't have interest in ( or is of no use to me ) I would run out of disk space in a hurry. If I could, I would crop many of the post I get, down to just the info I need ( like highlighting the relevant parts of a text book ), but my e-mail program won't let me do that ( in fact I don't know of any program that would / could do that ). Greg H. - Original Message - From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 07:23 Subject: Deleting - Re: [biofuel] Politics and Biofuels > > Not picking on you, lots of people talk of deleting posts - but why? > I know a few people still use low-capacity hard-disks, but for most > disk capacity isn't a problem, with 10, 20, 40, 80 and more gigabyte > disks standard now for some while, and fast machines that handle > large amounts of data in no time. I regularly ask people please to > crop irrelevant stuff (and multiple footers!) from their posts, but > that's to save bandwidth, not disk space, and out of consideration > for members with slow and/or expensive connections (often the case in > 3rd World countries) and perhaps old gear. > > IMO it makes more sense to keep all posts. Deleting them is judging > in advance what you may find useful later, and as an > info-professional of long standing I can tell you that's not a > judgment you can make with any assurance. > > A major advantage of subject-specific mailing lists like this one is > that you quickly build up a considerable onboard information resource > - your own database on biofuels. This list's database is a fabulous > resource, I use it all the time, so do many others. (And it sure adds > a little much-needed perspective to those few who complain that all > we do here is discuss "off-topic political crap", LOL!) You don't > build up much in the way of resources if you keep deleting stuff. > With a computer it doesn't really matter what's there, it doesn't > take perceptibly longer to search 20Mb than 10Mb, and the more that's > in there the more depth and breadth it has, and the better your > search results will be. > > Your email program should be able to do a full-text search of a > mailbox. That is, you create a mailbox for the Biofuel list, call it > "Biofuel", and set a filter to send all incoming messages with the > header "To: " to that mailbox. If your > emailer can't do that, and do a proper search, get one that can. > After a month the mailbox gets a bit full, so make a new one for the > next month and put last month's one in a folder on your hard disk, > which you can search with a full-text search program. > > This mkakes the best use of the information you're receiving, and it > will also improve your experience of mailing lists, and of Internet > communications generally. And it's a lot easier than hitting the > Delete button all the time. > > By the way, your emailer also should be able to sort
RE: Deleting - Re: [biofuel] Politics and Biofuels
>I share my database, Keith :) Indeed you do Martin, and a lot of us are very grateful for that. No, not good enough, needs a shout - VERY GRATEFUL! :-) It's one helluva lot better than Yahoo's ever-less-usable message archives. Let's try that again: USE MARTIN'S ARCHIVES!! But... not just one archives but two, one of them excellent, it's referenced at the end of every message, nearly 22,000 posts in it now, three years' worth, more than 100 megabytes covering just about every conceivable aspect of biofuels and biofuels issues, in depth, fast and easy to use... But people still come crashing in shouting the odds and laying down the law, wanting lots of attention with old-hat stuff that's been thoroughly dealt with here time and again, it's right under their noses but they don't see it. And then they get all taken aback when the list members somehow inexplicably fail to roll out the red carpet for them. More than 1,800 members now in our two lists, plus another couple of thousand who've come and gone, having found what they wanted and left much of value behind. Why would a person think we don't maybe know a thing or two by now? But there's just no helping some folks. I can't help agreeing with Todd: >Ancient Arabian proverb: >It is not a wise man who makes much flatulence in a tent filled with >strangers. Never mind, for all the noise they're a very tiny minority, a lot of other people use the archives and appreciate it. Regards Keith >--- >Martin Klingensmith >nnytech.net >infoarchive.net > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 9:23 AM > > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Deleting - Re: [biofuel] Politics and Biofuels > > > > > > A major advantage of subject-specific mailing lists like this one is > > that you quickly build up a considerable onboard information resource > > - your own database on biofuels. > > Best > > > > Keith Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: Deleting - Re: [biofuel] Politics and Biofuels
I share my database, Keith :) --- Martin Klingensmith nnytech.net infoarchive.net > -Original Message- > From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 9:23 AM > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Deleting - Re: [biofuel] Politics and Biofuels > > > A major advantage of subject-specific mailing lists like this one is > that you quickly build up a considerable onboard information resource > - your own database on biofuels. > Best > > Keith > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Politics and Biofuels
Dear Greg Birky, The only time I know of somebody called something stupid it was me and about Dom Amato's discriminating view of immigrants. I was upset and as I said, I do not normally use this word. I stand for my opinion and if you want hear that word again, just express a similar view that contains racism or other discrimination and I will repeat it. Judging your balanced posting, I think it will be hard for you to do. Education and ignorance have nothing to do with discrimination, on the contrary, it is often something that you hear from people that regard themselves as educated and superior. I think that you are right, you came in at an atypical time, a very unique situation in the normal discussions on the board. Hakan At 03:58 PM 2/27/2003 +, you wrote: >I am an engineer at a major manufacturer of heavy duty diesel >engines. I went looking for, and found this discussion board because >I have something of a professional as well as personal interest in >biodiesel in particular. Perhaps I came upon this discussion board at >an atypical time, but I have to say that I am a bit disappointed that >so many of the recent posts have been more or less exclusively >political in nature. Now I realize that biofuels is something of a >political subject, but I also am a member of a number of other >discussion boards, and by and large the discussions there even when >in disagreement tend to stay a bit more respectful. I understand >individuals' desire here to educate others on political topics >related to biofuels, but nobody likes to be told they are stupid, or >their comments are stupid - perhaps ignorant and uneducated, but not >stupid. > >I don't like sifting through all of these messages online since Yahoo >is slow and interjects advertisements. I also cannot afford to be e- >mailed all of them due to my e-mail system limitations. In the end, >it is just too burdensome to find relevant information on this board >right now. > >I have to say that I am politically a conservative MOSTLY. I don't >agree with all of the current administrations views. There was a >great deal more I didn't agree with in the previous administration. >However, I would never presume to believe that Mr. Clinton was >stupid, or drank too much diet soda as some here would have us >believe of President Bush. Perhaps that comment was tongue-in-cheek, >I don't know as its hard to tell when just reading the text. > >Anyway, this post is already too long so I'll wrap it up. I'd like to >see more relevant discussions of biofuels here. But I'm new, and if >this is the way the majority wants the board to go - then who am I to >think it should be different. I think that there is no need to offend >others or be offended. You all do as you like, but I doubt I'll be >around this board much. > >Greg > > > >Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > >Biofuels list archives: >http://archive.nnytech.net/ > >Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. >To unsubscribe, send an email to: >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> New Yahoo! Mail Plus. More flexibility. More control. More power. Get POP access, more storage, more filters, and more. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Hcb0iA/P.iFAA/46VHAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Deleting - Re: [biofuel] Politics and Biofuels
Ed wrote: >mostly worthwhile - but some days, it is delete-delete-delete! Stick >around a while before you decide. Greg wrote: >to others. I scan the subject line, and some of the info., and if it is no >use, or I don't want to be apart of it, I deleat it, and most of the other >items with that subject. If on the other hand, It is of intrest, I save it >for future referance, and I make a point to check all others with that same >subject, saveing the useful info, deleating things like the "Thank you" and >"Your welcome" post. Not picking on you, lots of people talk of deleting posts - but why? I know a few people still use low-capacity hard-disks, but for most disk capacity isn't a problem, with 10, 20, 40, 80 and more gigabyte disks standard now for some while, and fast machines that handle large amounts of data in no time. I regularly ask people please to crop irrelevant stuff (and multiple footers!) from their posts, but that's to save bandwidth, not disk space, and out of consideration for members with slow and/or expensive connections (often the case in 3rd World countries) and perhaps old gear. IMO it makes more sense to keep all posts. Deleting them is judging in advance what you may find useful later, and as an info-professional of long standing I can tell you that's not a judgment you can make with any assurance. A major advantage of subject-specific mailing lists like this one is that you quickly build up a considerable onboard information resource - your own database on biofuels. This list's database is a fabulous resource, I use it all the time, so do many others. (And it sure adds a little much-needed perspective to those few who complain that all we do here is discuss "off-topic political crap", LOL!) You don't build up much in the way of resources if you keep deleting stuff. With a computer it doesn't really matter what's there, it doesn't take perceptibly longer to search 20Mb than 10Mb, and the more that's in there the more depth and breadth it has, and the better your search results will be. Your email program should be able to do a full-text search of a mailbox. That is, you create a mailbox for the Biofuel list, call it "Biofuel", and set a filter to send all incoming messages with the header "To: " to that mailbox. If your emailer can't do that, and do a proper search, get one that can. After a month the mailbox gets a bit full, so make a new one for the next month and put last month's one in a folder on your hard disk, which you can search with a full-text search program. This mkakes the best use of the information you're receiving, and it will also improve your experience of mailing lists, and of Internet communications generally. And it's a lot easier than hitting the Delete button all the time. By the way, your emailer also should be able to sort messages by date (usually the default), by name of sender, and by subject, which makes everything much easier. If you don't have a capable emailer you're getting a keyhole view of what mailing lists are all about. Best Keith Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Politics and Biofuels
Hi Greg - you have to sift a bit sometimes, but overall this is still one of the best boards around on all the topics related to biofuels including technical, IMHO, and we are very involved in biofuels as a day-to-day thing. I've been following this board for a few years, and it is lively and mostly worthwhile - but some days, it is delete-delete-delete! Stick around a while before you decide. Edward Beggs On Thursday, February 27, 2003, at 07:58 AM, Greg Birky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am an engineer at a major manufacturer of heavy duty diesel > engines. I went looking for, and found this discussion board because > I have something of a professional as well as personal interest in > biodiesel in particular. Perhaps I came upon this discussion board at > an atypical time, but I have to say that I am a bit disappointed that > so many of the recent posts have been more or less exclusively > political in nature. Now I realize that biofuels is something of a > political subject, but I also am a member of a number of other > discussion boards, and by and large the discussions there even when > in disagreement tend to stay a bit more respectful. I understand > individuals' desire here to educate others on political topics > related to biofuels, but nobody likes to be told they are stupid, or > their comments are stupid - perhaps ignorant and uneducated, but not > stupid. > > I don't like sifting through all of these messages online since Yahoo > is slow and interjects advertisements. I also cannot afford to be e- > mailed all of them due to my e-mail system limitations. In the end, > it is just too burdensome to find relevant information on this board > right now. > > I have to say that I am politically a conservative MOSTLY. I don't > agree with all of the current administrations views. There was a > great deal more I didn't agree with in the previous administration. > However, I would never presume to believe that Mr. Clinton was > stupid, or drank too much diet soda as some here would have us > believe of President Bush. Perhaps that comment was tongue-in-cheek, > I don't know as its hard to tell when just reading the text. > > Anyway, this post is already too long so I'll wrap it up. I'd like to > see more relevant discussions of biofuels here. But I'm new, and if > this is the way the majority wants the board to go - then who am I to > think it should be different. I think that there is no need to offend > others or be offended. You all do as you like, but I doubt I'll be > around this board much. > > Greg > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuels list archives: > http://archive.nnytech.net/ > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Politics and Biofuels
I am an engineer at a major manufacturer of heavy duty diesel engines. I went looking for, and found this discussion board because I have something of a professional as well as personal interest in biodiesel in particular. Perhaps I came upon this discussion board at an atypical time, but I have to say that I am a bit disappointed that so many of the recent posts have been more or less exclusively political in nature. Now I realize that biofuels is something of a political subject, but I also am a member of a number of other discussion boards, and by and large the discussions there even when in disagreement tend to stay a bit more respectful. I understand individuals' desire here to educate others on political topics related to biofuels, but nobody likes to be told they are stupid, or their comments are stupid - perhaps ignorant and uneducated, but not stupid. I don't like sifting through all of these messages online since Yahoo is slow and interjects advertisements. I also cannot afford to be e- mailed all of them due to my e-mail system limitations. In the end, it is just too burdensome to find relevant information on this board right now. I have to say that I am politically a conservative MOSTLY. I don't agree with all of the current administrations views. There was a great deal more I didn't agree with in the previous administration. However, I would never presume to believe that Mr. Clinton was stupid, or drank too much diet soda as some here would have us believe of President Bush. Perhaps that comment was tongue-in-cheek, I don't know as its hard to tell when just reading the text. Anyway, this post is already too long so I'll wrap it up. I'd like to see more relevant discussions of biofuels here. But I'm new, and if this is the way the majority wants the board to go - then who am I to think it should be different. I think that there is no need to offend others or be offended. You all do as you like, but I doubt I'll be around this board much. Greg Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
