FW: [biofuel] Re: Ethanol and BioDiesel - use of biodiesel as 2stroke lubeoil
I,m delighted to know that BIODIESEL can be used as lubeoil for two stroke gasoline engine, I want to try this on my motorcycle engine, Does anybody from the group can advise me, how much biodiesel to be mixed with regular gasoline? Or what ratio required between biodiesel and gasoline mixed up to fuel my motorcycle engine. I want to get rid of this 2T lube oil on my engine coz it produce smoke causing pollution. Hope to find answer from the group Thanks to Todd (golden brown biodiesel) Regards to all Frank -Original Message- From: Tony Clark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 10:11 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Re: Ethanol and BioDiesel - use of biodiesel as 2stroke lubeoil Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 23:22:38 +0900 From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Ethanol and BioDiesel Hi Tony, Dan Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 08:06:02 -0600 (MDT) From: Dan Maker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Ethanol and BioDiesel I've heard of people using biodiesel as the oil in two cycle engine gas/oil mix, could ethanol and biodiesel be used to power a two cycle IC engine? Ofcourse the carburation would have to be modified to burn the ethanol, but would the biodiesel and ethanol emulsify well enough, or would they seperate out in the tank and cause problems? I think no problem with separation, I'll try to find some confirmation of that. I'm asking because I've been offered a two cycle strimmer, and I'm considering mounting the engine to my bicycle as a boost to make my commute to work faster. Thanks, Dan Biodiesel has a vast improvement over the lubricity of LSDiesel. Biodiesel does NOT have a fraction of the lubricity of 2 stroke oil. Biodiesel is NOT suitable for use as a 2 stroke oil! The use of Biodiesel as a 2 stroke oil WILL result in the destruction of the motor in which it is used. Be Warned Tony How do you know that, Tony? Do you know of any cases where it's happened? Any data on bd vs 2 stroke oil lubricity? We've heard of quite a few cases of people using biodiesel as 2 stroke oil, some of them in the list archives, though without a lot of detail, nor long-term results, but we haven't heard of any destroyed motors. They all sounded like satisfied customers, using chain saws and so on. One had a 2-stroke motorbike, or was it a moped. We have a few 2-strokes here, chainsaws, strimmers, and we'd be using biodiesel with them only the 2-stroke fuel here is pre-mixed with oil. So we're waiting until we start producing fuel ethanol, which should be quite soon. More info please! Thanks Keith Keith, I have heard on another forum, but I have not the time to research that post, of a line trimmer which was damaged by using biodiesel as the lubricant in a fuel:biofiesel mix. I do not have any details of the blend ratio or whether the biodiesel was washed, polished or air dried. I have felt the oiliness of biodiesel, canola and 2stroke lube oil with my fingers. There is a vast difference between biodiesel and canola, with canola being more slippery. There is about the same degree of slipperiness with canola and 2 stroke lube oil, using my lubricity calibrated fingers ;). I do not mind if anyone wants to chance destroying their 2 stroke engine. I do want them to be aware that they have a STRONG possibility of doing it. Once they have the information, then their choice will be at least somewhat informed. They can do their own research on the lubricating properties to make their decisions, but to not warn them is effectively promoting the use (of biodiesel) as a lubricant. While it is a great fuel and has much better lubricity than ULSD, it is a fuel, not a lubricant, and should be used wuth extreme caution for non-fuel uses. Tony ps, sorry it took so long to reply, but demands on my time from community obligations have increased recently. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Rent DVDs Online - Over 14,500 titles. No Late Fees Free Shipping. Try Netflix for FREE! http://us.click.yahoo.com/Tq9otC/XP.FAA/3jkFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: FW: [biofuel] Re: Ethanol and BioDiesel - use of biodiesel as 2stroke lubeoil
Hello Frank, Tony I,m delighted to know that BIODIESEL can be used as lubeoil for two stroke gasoline engine, I want to try this on my motorcycle engine, Does anybody from the group can advise me, how much biodiesel to be mixed with regular gasoline? Or what ratio required between biodiesel and gasoline mixed up to fuel my motorcycle engine. I want to get rid of this 2T lube oil on my engine coz it produce smoke causing pollution. Hope to find answer from the group Well, Tony's saying Don't do it! But others have done it, apparently with good results, though we haven't had any long-term reports. Here are some previous messages on this subject: Edward Beggs [EMAIL PROTECTED]: That's right. It is Ok to use certain vegetable oil products and veg oil/biodiesel blends for the two stroke lube, to replace the oil, and the lubricity is going to be better in that case. - Keith: Biodiesel's a superfine lubricator. 1% of biodiesel in LSD or ULSD increases lubricity by 60%. - Canola and additive packages can make a good 2 stroke oil. I do not know about biodiesel, have never tried it. Much higher proportion than normal oil, I would think - I would try very rich mixture compared to normal for a two-stroke (like B20, maybe even B50, and try it on an engine you don't care about first). Better to clean plugs than seize engine! Ed B. www.biofuels.ca - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well, that's not true, in fact they [Castrol] are still selling castor oil for 2-strokes, especially for racing. Looks to me that it's more a matter of it being too expensive. Doing a google search on the subject, I'm seeing a lot of companies selling castor oil and castor oil blends with synthetic, and references to the more expensive castor oil, etc. Look at this page for instace: http://www.out2win.com/catalog/klotz_2cycle.html or do a google on castor oil (2-stroke or 2-cycle) - Keith: We have had some reports of using biodiesel as 2-stroke oil. It's a super lubricator and seems to work fine. Older engines might need a higher mix ratio - one earlier message advised: Old two-stroke engines like yours usually have bronze wrist pin bearings and thus require a richer oil mixture to adequately lube that bushing. Incidentally in a two stroke you will often find the wrist pin bearing fails first from poor lubrication (It is just much harder to get the oil into it!) I would recommend at least to stick with the 20-1 or even 15-1 seeing as biodiesel is a thinner oil than normal two-stroke oil. I have no idea what effect bio-diesel would have on the octane of gasoline but it probably isn't so important on old engines because they usually have a very low c/r anyway. Actually it turns out biodiesel isn't thinner than standard 2-stroke oil, or not by much. New engines need what, 50:1 or less? Try it and see, start with a higher ratio than recommended for standard oil. At least one list member uses biodiesel with his chain saw, no problems when last we heard. - Martin R. of Australia uses biodiesel as two-stroke oil in his chain saw, at a mix of 20 to 1 with gasoline. It works fine, he says. After using the saw for 2.5 hours in one go on dead Australian hardwood with no hiccups I was very impressed to say the least. - Keith: Suggest you try using biodiesel, but maybe try a richer mix first. There's been some advice about this too, pros and cons. Got an old motor to experiment with? Anyway, experiment is the word, no guarantees! (So don't sue me!) - From my experience, you have to use a use specific 2 stroke oil in a two stroke. I have ruined one lawn mower by using the wrong oil, a descision based on bad advice. Chain saws are supposed to be even more pickey about what oil they get. Use the wrong oil and the crank bearings go. I will let someone else do the experimenting with bio-diesel as 2 stroke fuel, and I would really like to see some long term use reports. EdB - We'd all like to see some long-term reports, but short-term reports are encouraging. Thanks to Todd (golden brown biodiesel) Regards to all Frank -Original Message- From: Tony Clark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 10:11 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Re: Ethanol and BioDiesel - use of biodiesel as 2stroke lubeoil Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 23:22:38 +0900 From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Ethanol and BioDiesel Hi Tony, Dan Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 08:06:02 -0600 (MDT) From: Dan Maker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Ethanol and BioDiesel I've heard of people using biodiesel as the oil in two cycle engine gas/oil mix, could ethanol and biodiesel be used to power a two cycle IC engine? Ofcourse the carburation would have to be modified to burn the ethanol, but would the biodiesel and ethanol emulsify well enough, or would they seperate out in the tank and cause problems? I think
[biofuel] Re: Ethanol and BioDiesel - use of biodiesel as 2stroke lube oil
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 23:22:38 +0900 From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Ethanol and BioDiesel Hi Tony, Dan Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 08:06:02 -0600 (MDT) From: Dan Maker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Ethanol and BioDiesel I've heard of people using biodiesel as the oil in two cycle engine gas/oil mix, could ethanol and biodiesel be used to power a two cycle IC engine? Ofcourse the carburation would have to be modified to burn the ethanol, but would the biodiesel and ethanol emulsify well enough, or would they seperate out in the tank and cause problems? I think no problem with separation, I'll try to find some confirmation of that. I'm asking because I've been offered a two cycle strimmer, and I'm considering mounting the engine to my bicycle as a boost to make my commute to work faster. Thanks, Dan Biodiesel has a vast improvement over the lubricity of LSDiesel. Biodiesel does NOT have a fraction of the lubricity of 2 stroke oil. Biodiesel is NOT suitable for use as a 2 stroke oil! The use of Biodiesel as a 2 stroke oil WILL result in the destruction of the motor in which it is used. Be Warned Tony How do you know that, Tony? Do you know of any cases where it's happened? Any data on bd vs 2 stroke oil lubricity? We've heard of quite a few cases of people using biodiesel as 2 stroke oil, some of them in the list archives, though without a lot of detail, nor long-term results, but we haven't heard of any destroyed motors. They all sounded like satisfied customers, using chain saws and so on. One had a 2-stroke motorbike, or was it a moped. We have a few 2-strokes here, chainsaws, strimmers, and we'd be using biodiesel with them only the 2-stroke fuel here is pre-mixed with oil. So we're waiting until we start producing fuel ethanol, which should be quite soon. More info please! Thanks Keith Keith, I have heard on another forum, but I have not the time to research that post, of a line trimmer which was damaged by using biodiesel as the lubricant in a fuel:biofiesel mix. I do not have any details of the blend ratio or whether the biodiesel was washed, polished or air dried. I have felt the oiliness of biodiesel, canola and 2stroke lube oil with my fingers. There is a vast difference between biodiesel and canola, with canola being more slippery. There is about the same degree of slipperiness with canola and 2 stroke lube oil, using my lubricity calibrated fingers ;). I do not mind if anyone wants to chance destroying their 2 stroke engine. I do want them to be aware that they have a STRONG possibility of doing it. Once they have the information, then their choice will be at least somewhat informed. They can do their own research on the lubricating properties to make their decisions, but to not warn them is effectively promoting the use (of biodiesel) as a lubricant. While it is a great fuel and has much better lubricity than ULSD, it is a fuel, not a lubricant, and should be used wuth extreme caution for non-fuel uses. Tony ps, sorry it took so long to reply, but demands on my time from community obligations have increased recently. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Rent DVDs Online - Over 14,500 titles. No Late Fees Free Shipping. Try Netflix for FREE! http://us.click.yahoo.com/Tq9otC/XP.FAA/3jkFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Ethanol and BioDiesel
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 08:06:02 -0600 (MDT) From: Dan Maker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Ethanol and BioDiesel I've heard of people using biodiesel as the oil in two cycle engine gas/oil mix, could ethanol and biodiesel be used to power a two cycle IC engine? Ofcourse the carburation would have to be modified to burn the ethanol, but would the biodiesel and ethanol emulsify well enough, or would they seperate out in the tank and cause problems? I'm asking because I've been offered a two cycle strimmer, and I'm considering mounting the engine to my bicycle as a boost to make my commute to work faster. Thanks, Dan Biodiesel has a vast improvement over the lubricity of LSDiesel. Biodiesel does NOT have a fraction of the lubricity of 2 stroke oil. Biodiesel is NOT suitable for use as a 2 stroke oil! The use of Biodiesel as a 2 stroke oil WILL result in the destruction of the motor in which it is used. Be Warned Tony Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Ethanol and BioDiesel
Hi Tony, Dan Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 08:06:02 -0600 (MDT) From: Dan Maker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Ethanol and BioDiesel I've heard of people using biodiesel as the oil in two cycle engine gas/oil mix, could ethanol and biodiesel be used to power a two cycle IC engine? Ofcourse the carburation would have to be modified to burn the ethanol, but would the biodiesel and ethanol emulsify well enough, or would they seperate out in the tank and cause problems? I think no problem with separation, I'll try to find some confirmation of that. I'm asking because I've been offered a two cycle strimmer, and I'm considering mounting the engine to my bicycle as a boost to make my commute to work faster. Thanks, Dan Biodiesel has a vast improvement over the lubricity of LSDiesel. Biodiesel does NOT have a fraction of the lubricity of 2 stroke oil. Biodiesel is NOT suitable for use as a 2 stroke oil! The use of Biodiesel as a 2 stroke oil WILL result in the destruction of the motor in which it is used. Be Warned Tony How do you know that, Tony? Do you know of any cases where it's happened? Any data on bd vs 2 stroke oil lubricity? We've heard of quite a few cases of people using biodiesel as 2 stroke oil, some of them in the list archives, though without a lot of detail, nor long-term results, but we haven't heard of any destroyed motors. They all sounded like satisfied customers, using chain saws and so on. One had a 2-stroke motorbike, or was it a moped. We have a few 2-strokes here, chainsaws, strimmers, and we'd be using biodiesel with them only the 2-stroke fuel here is pre-mixed with oil. So we're waiting until we start producing fuel ethanol, which should be quite soon. More info please! Thanks Keith Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Rent DVDs Online - Over 14,500 titles. No Late Fees Free Shipping. Try Netflix for FREE! http://us.click.yahoo.com/Tq9otC/XP.FAA/3jkFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Re: Ethanol and BioDiesel
What about SVO instead of BD for two-cycle oil? If you mixed ethanol and SVO would you get biofuel vinaigrette or would it actually mix? -BRAH -Original Message- From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 9:23 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Re: Ethanol and BioDiesel Hi Tony, Dan Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 08:06:02 -0600 (MDT) From: Dan Maker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Ethanol and BioDiesel I've heard of people using biodiesel as the oil in two cycle engine gas/oil mix, could ethanol and biodiesel be used to power a two cycle IC engine? Ofcourse the carburation would have to be modified to burn the ethanol, but would the biodiesel and ethanol emulsify well enough, or would they seperate out in the tank and cause problems? I think no problem with separation, I'll try to find some confirmation of that. I'm asking because I've been offered a two cycle strimmer, and I'm considering mounting the engine to my bicycle as a boost to make my commute to work faster. Thanks, Dan Biodiesel has a vast improvement over the lubricity of LSDiesel. Biodiesel does NOT have a fraction of the lubricity of 2 stroke oil. Biodiesel is NOT suitable for use as a 2 stroke oil! The use of Biodiesel as a 2 stroke oil WILL result in the destruction of the motor in which it is used. Be Warned Tony How do you know that, Tony? Do you know of any cases where it's happened? Any data on bd vs 2 stroke oil lubricity? We've heard of quite a few cases of people using biodiesel as 2 stroke oil, some of them in the list archives, though without a lot of detail, nor long-term results, but we haven't heard of any destroyed motors. They all sounded like satisfied customers, using chain saws and so on. One had a 2-stroke motorbike, or was it a moped. We have a few 2-strokes here, chainsaws, strimmers, and we'd be using biodiesel with them only the 2-stroke fuel here is pre-mixed with oil. So we're waiting until we start producing fuel ethanol, which should be quite soon. More info please! Thanks Keith Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Click Here! http://rd.yahoo.com/M=244522.3707890.4968055.1261774/D=egroupweb/S=1705 083269:HM/A=1595053/R=0/SIG=124gf29oe/*http:/ashnin.com/clk/muryutaitake nattogyo?YH=3707890yhad=1595053 http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=244522.3707890.4968055.1261774/D=egrou pmail/S=:HM/A=1595053/rand=852309638 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Ethanol and BioDiesel
On Saturday 18 October 2003 12:56 am, Bryan Brah wrote: What about SVO instead of BD for two-cycle oil? If you mixed ethanol and SVO would you get biofuel vinaigrette or would it actually mix? Should be possible to use: castor oil was used in racing 2 strokes until recently. regards Doug Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
