Re: [biofuel] Re: ethanol economics

2002-08-29 Thread Hakan Falk


Dear Todd,

Not much to add, other than that I like what you said. I
hope others paid attention also.

Hakan


At 01:07 PM 8/29/2002 -0400, you wrote:
>Hakan,
>
>In the process of shredding Pimental's vastly flawed mathematics,
>a person does have to take note of one (1) very valid and correct
>line of thought, although he only alludes to it. Present-day,
>monoculture, factory farming poses considerable environmental
>risks to the planet. I would even go so far as to suggest that by
>and large it is not sustainable. Coupling present-day, mindless,
>energy consumption patterns with contemporary farming practices,
>biomass in the global scheme may not be as renewable a
>possibility as many would like to believe.
>
>Essentially what this means is that both energy farming and
>energy consumption must be rethought and the new axioms applied,
>or else we will be facing the same finite resource problem that
>presently exists with fossil fuels. In other words? Put an end to
>our gluttonous energy consumption and develop land "management"
>techniques that are conducive to reduced energy inputs, soil
>degradation and other problems inherant to mono-culture factory
>farming.
>
>By and large most people become aware of this after giving it the
>first contemplative thought. Yet if only reviewed superficially
>these same persons see energy farming as a greater good without
>giving much consideration to the long term dis-benefits.
>
>For renewables in general to supplant fossil fuels in a
>sustainable manner, not only must production volume be sufficient
>and production processes undergo drastic evolution, but the
>entire human mindset necessarily must undergo reconstruction as
>to how energy is used. Whether we like it or not, we must develop
>a smaller energy footprint with each new day. Simply increasing
>biomass production and substituting it for present day fossil
>fuel consumption is a losing proposition of and by itself and
>hangs the concept of sustainability and the use of biomass out on
>the same rack as non-renewable energy production.
>
>Sooner or later politicos will be forced to admit this, rather
>than trying to avoid the issue by simply supplanting partial
>fossil fuel consumption with biomass to temporarily appease the
>public.
>
>Todd Swearingen
>
>- Original Message -
>From: Hakan Falk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: 
>Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 6:01 AM
>Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: ethanol economics
>
>
> >
> > Dear Todd,
> >
> > It is number games, only to size the problems and to
> > understand them. It is logical that we have a mix and
> > we are already there. What ever way you play the
> > numbers, it show that renewable are feasible and
> > doable even for US. It will however take space and
> > manpower that are of considerable size. It becomes
> > more a timing challenge of a social/political solution
> > than technical solutions.
> >
> > The mix of energy sources requires very deliberate
> > decisions, based on correct scientific understanding.
> > Already now the solutions are in the hands of the
> > political leaders and they procrastinate.
> >
> > For many, energy sources seems to be a choice
> > between technologies and a search for silver bullets.
> > It is however much more complicated than that and
> > diversity must be maintained. We do not want to
> > create an "energy fame" that is comparable with
> > the famous Irish "potato fame", but on a much
> > grander scale.
> >
> > I am dealing with energy saving, which should be
> > technically easier and a prerequisite to renewable.
> > Even here the solutions are in the hands of the
> > political leaders and they procrastinate.
> >
> > Hakan
> >
> >
> >
> > At 09:54 PM 8/28/2002 -0400, you wrote:
> > >I guess that means that when the last drop of fossil oil is
> > >visible on the horizon, we had better have some rather high
> > >combined fuel economy and numerous alternative energies in the
> > >mix. It's either that, or we'll have to choose between eating
>and
> > >driving and everyone with a weak back or timid heart will have
>to
> > >migrate to Florida every winter.
> > >
> > >Todd Swearingen
> > >
> > >- Original Message -
> > >From: Hakan Falk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >To: 
> > >Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 9:38 PM
> > >Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: ethanol economics
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Dear Todd,
> > > >
> > &g

Re: [biofuel] Re: ethanol economics

2002-08-29 Thread Appal Energy

Hakan,

In the process of shredding Pimental's vastly flawed mathematics,
a person does have to take note of one (1) very valid and correct
line of thought, although he only alludes to it. Present-day,
monoculture, factory farming poses considerable environmental
risks to the planet. I would even go so far as to suggest that by
and large it is not sustainable. Coupling present-day, mindless,
energy consumption patterns with contemporary farming practices,
biomass in the global scheme may not be as renewable a
possibility as many would like to believe.

Essentially what this means is that both energy farming and
energy consumption must be rethought and the new axioms applied,
or else we will be facing the same finite resource problem that
presently exists with fossil fuels. In other words? Put an end to
our gluttonous energy consumption and develop land "management"
techniques that are conducive to reduced energy inputs, soil
degradation and other problems inherant to mono-culture factory
farming.

By and large most people become aware of this after giving it the
first contemplative thought. Yet if only reviewed superficially
these same persons see energy farming as a greater good without
giving much consideration to the long term dis-benefits.

For renewables in general to supplant fossil fuels in a
sustainable manner, not only must production volume be sufficient
and production processes undergo drastic evolution, but the
entire human mindset necessarily must undergo reconstruction as
to how energy is used. Whether we like it or not, we must develop
a smaller energy footprint with each new day. Simply increasing
biomass production and substituting it for present day fossil
fuel consumption is a losing proposition of and by itself and
hangs the concept of sustainability and the use of biomass out on
the same rack as non-renewable energy production.

Sooner or later politicos will be forced to admit this, rather
than trying to avoid the issue by simply supplanting partial
fossil fuel consumption with biomass to temporarily appease the
public.

Todd Swearingen

- Original Message -
From: Hakan Falk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 6:01 AM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: ethanol economics


>
> Dear Todd,
>
> It is number games, only to size the problems and to
> understand them. It is logical that we have a mix and
> we are already there. What ever way you play the
> numbers, it show that renewable are feasible and
> doable even for US. It will however take space and
> manpower that are of considerable size. It becomes
> more a timing challenge of a social/political solution
> than technical solutions.
>
> The mix of energy sources requires very deliberate
> decisions, based on correct scientific understanding.
> Already now the solutions are in the hands of the
> political leaders and they procrastinate.
>
> For many, energy sources seems to be a choice
> between technologies and a search for silver bullets.
> It is however much more complicated than that and
> diversity must be maintained. We do not want to
> create an "energy fame" that is comparable with
> the famous Irish "potato fame", but on a much
> grander scale.
>
> I am dealing with energy saving, which should be
> technically easier and a prerequisite to renewable.
> Even here the solutions are in the hands of the
> political leaders and they procrastinate.
>
> Hakan
>
>
>
> At 09:54 PM 8/28/2002 -0400, you wrote:
> >I guess that means that when the last drop of fossil oil is
> >visible on the horizon, we had better have some rather high
> >combined fuel economy and numerous alternative energies in the
> >mix. It's either that, or we'll have to choose between eating
and
> >driving and everyone with a weak back or timid heart will have
to
> >migrate to Florida every winter.
> >
> >Todd Swearingen
> >
> >- Original Message -
> >From: Hakan Falk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: 
> >Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 9:38 PM
> >Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: ethanol economics
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Dear Todd,
> > >
> > > I agree with you on the number game, I wrote earlier,
> > >
> > > With 25 barrels per hectare, the current
> > > annual oil consumption would need more than 11 giga hectars
of
> >land.
> > > The yield would be a rounded 2,500 barrel per square km and
> >annual
> > > oil consumption would need 11,699,000 square km. This is
more
> >than
> > > the land mass of USA. For US internal consumption (25% of
> >world), it
> > > would need to grow sapium sebiferum on one quarter of its
land
> >mass,
> > > or approximately on all it

Re: [biofuel] Re: ethanol economics

2002-08-29 Thread Hakan Falk


Dear Todd,

It is number games, only to size the problems and to
understand them. It is logical that we have a mix and
we are already there. What ever way you play the
numbers, it show that renewable are feasible and
doable even for US. It will however take space and
manpower that are of considerable size. It becomes
more a timing challenge of a social/political solution
than technical solutions.

The mix of energy sources requires very deliberate
decisions, based on correct scientific understanding.
Already now the solutions are in the hands of the
political leaders and they procrastinate.

For many, energy sources seems to be a choice
between technologies and a search for silver bullets.
It is however much more complicated than that and
diversity must be maintained. We do not want to
create an "energy fame" that is comparable with
the famous Irish "potato fame", but on a much
grander scale.

I am dealing with energy saving, which should be
technically easier and a prerequisite to renewable.
Even here the solutions are in the hands of the
political leaders and they procrastinate.

Hakan



At 09:54 PM 8/28/2002 -0400, you wrote:
>I guess that means that when the last drop of fossil oil is
>visible on the horizon, we had better have some rather high
>combined fuel economy and numerous alternative energies in the
>mix. It's either that, or we'll have to choose between eating and
>driving and everyone with a weak back or timid heart will have to
>migrate to Florida every winter.
>
>Todd Swearingen
>
>- Original Message -
>From: Hakan Falk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: 
>Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 9:38 PM
>Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: ethanol economics
>
>
> >
> > Dear Todd,
> >
> > I agree with you on the number game, I wrote earlier,
> >
> > With 25 barrels per hectare, the current
> > annual oil consumption would need more than 11 giga hectars of
>land.
> > The yield would be a rounded 2,500 barrel per square km and
>annual
> > oil consumption would need 11,699,000 square km. This is more
>than
> > the land mass of USA. For US internal consumption (25% of
>world), it
> > would need to grow sapium sebiferum on one quarter of its land
>mass,
> > or approximately on all its current agriculture land. If US
> > average can be lowered to the current consumption for
>California, it
> > only need 14% of its land mass. On Swedish consumption level,
>it
> > will need 8% of its land mass.
> >
> > Your calculations confirm the above when you expand it to all
>crude
> > oil usage. For transport only and with corn, we will end up
>with almost
> > the same numbers. For transport only, SVO and sapium sebiferum,
>you
> > only need a few percent of US landmass.
> >
> > Hakan
> >
> >
> >
> > At 08:50 PM 8/28/2002 -0400, you wrote:
> > >The following is response to an off-list inquiry made about an
> > >article based upon David Pimental's representations as to
> > >ethanols dis-economics. It might make better sense to read the
> > >original inquiry first, then the response.
> > >
> > >Todd Swearingen
> > >.
> > >
> > >Dear [snip],
> > >
> > >First, I would care to enquire as to what your relationship
>and
> > >interest to the study, Pimental and any other researchers may
>be.
> > >
> > >Second, a person need not be expert in any particular field to
> > >discern that Pimental's study is largely lacking in multiple
> > >areas. Due diligence is sufficient to reveal many of the
>flaws.
> > >You can take one look at the article, make one call to your
> > >nearest ag agent, put pen to paper and determine that his
> > >calculations are all too frequently derived from inflated
> > >assumptions, perspectives and allocations.
> > >
> > >One could start with the premise that the average gasoline
> > >powered automobile in the US only achieves a fuel economy of
> > >~11.74 miles per gallon. That is gravely erroneous.
> > >
> > >One could continue with the premise that it takes 11 acres to
> > >grow enough ethanol to propel same vehicle 10,000 miles each
> > >year. At a national average of ~120 bushels of corn/acre,
> > >yielding almost exactly 2.5 gallons per bushel, Mr. Pimental
> > >suggests that it will take 7.16 acres to grow enough fuel to
> > >produce the 852 gallons that will be derived from the
>remaining
> > >2.84 acres. This in itself does not jibe with Mr. Pimental's
> > >energy input/output ratios.
&g

[biofuel] Re: ethanol economics

2002-08-28 Thread Keith Addison

Bravo, Todd, nicely done!

There's a lot more Pimentel debunking here:
http://journeytoforever.org/ethanol_energy.html
Is ethanol energy-efficient?

New report:

"Corn ethanol is energy efficient... For every BTU dedicated to 
producing ethanol there is a 34 percent energy gain," the study said.

"Only about 17 percent of the energy used to produce ethanol comes 
from liquid fuels, such as gasoline and diesel fuel. For every 1 BTU 
of liquid fuel used to produce ethanol, there is a 6.34 BTU gain," 
the researchers added.

http://www.planetark.org/dailynewsstory.cfm/newsid/17186/story.htm
 From stalk to fuel tank, ethanol a net energy gain

Here's the RNA's report on the study:
http://www.ethanolrfa.org/pr020801b.html

... "Only Dr. Pimentel disagrees with this analysis. But his outdated 
work has been refuted by experts from entities as diverse as the 
USDA, DOE, Argonne National Laboratory, Michigan State University, 
and the Colorado School of Mines. While the opponents of ethanol will 
no doubt continue to peddle Pimentel's baseless charges, they are 
absolutely without credibility."

The full study is here - alas, more web-clutter, yet another pdf 
file, the kudzu of the Internet (5225kb):
http://www.usda.gov/oce/oepnu/aer-813.pdf

Best

Keith


>The following is response to an off-list inquiry made about an
>article based upon David Pimental's representations as to
>ethanols dis-economics. It might make better sense to read the
>original inquiry first, then the response.
>
>Todd Swearingen
>.
>
>Dear [snip],
>
>First, I would care to enquire as to what your relationship and
>interest to the study, Pimental and any other researchers may be.
>
>Second, a person need not be expert in any particular field to
>discern that Pimental's study is largely lacking in multiple
>areas. Due diligence is sufficient to reveal many of the flaws.
>You can take one look at the article, make one call to your
>nearest ag agent, put pen to paper and determine that his
>calculations are all too frequently derived from inflated
>assumptions, perspectives and allocations.
>
>One could start with the premise that the average gasoline
>powered automobile in the US only achieves a fuel economy of
>~11.74 miles per gallon. That is gravely erroneous.
>
>One could continue with the premise that it takes 11 acres to
>grow enough ethanol to propel same vehicle 10,000 miles each
>year. At a national average of ~120 bushels of corn/acre,
>yielding almost exactly 2.5 gallons per bushel, Mr. Pimental
>suggests that it will take 7.16 acres to grow enough fuel to
>produce the 852 gallons that will be derived from the remaining
>2.84 acres. This in itself does not jibe with Mr. Pimental's
>energy input/output ratios.
>
>One could also take into consideration the negative impact that
>Pimental gives to agricultural subsidies while attributing no
>weight to fossil fuels subsidies and the costs resulting from
>them. This is an uneven and inappropriate tactic. Apples to
>apples is the appropriate method, not pears to squirrels.
>
>One could point out that Mr. Pimental makes no effort to
>ameliorate the production cost of ethanol by including the
>principal co-products of corn-based ethanol manufacture - oil,
>soap stock, lecithin and brewers' grains. In fact, Mr. Pimental
>would like to leave anyone who reads his "study" or articles
>based upon his "study" believing that only ethanol is produced
>from corn, therefore all costs and energy inputs/outputs should
>be assessed soley against the ethanol fraction.
>
>This is bogus, which any statistician, bean counter, economist
>or 1st year middle school student knows.
>
>The declaration also is made that it takes 11 acres to feed seven
>Americans. It is obvious by such a claim that Mr. Pimental is at
>best deriving his numbers from a heavily impalanced, factory
>farmed, meat centered diet where the majority of the acreage is
>used to produce grains and other feed for livestock, not humans.
>This in itself shows a severe bias towards inflated numbers and
>gives one cause to question if total exports of agricultural
>products were subtracted from his equations prior to their
>concoction.
>
>Throw in this "whopper" for good measure. Total US dry land mass
>is 3,536,278 square miles, or 2,263,217,920 acres. Pimental's own
>numbers and those from the article include that the average auto
>travels 10,000 miles, consuming 852 gallons of ethanol (if E-100
>powered), that the average acre produces 126.96 bushels of corn,
>that the average yield of ethanol per bushel is 2.58 gallons,
>that the energy ratio is 1.70 to 1.0 (2.70 total gallons of
>ethanol per gallon produced) and that 97% of the US land mass
>would have to be planted in corn to meet this demand. (That's
>total land mass, not just arable land.)
>
>(2,263,217,920 x 126.96 x 2.58) / (832 x 2.7) = 330,009,090
>"average" automobiles traversing the US, at 10,000 miles each.
>
>Oddly, the poplulation of the US is ~281,421,9

Re: [biofuel] Re: ethanol economics

2002-08-28 Thread Appal Energy

I guess that means that when the last drop of fossil oil is
visible on the horizon, we had better have some rather high
combined fuel economy and numerous alternative energies in the
mix. It's either that, or we'll have to choose between eating and
driving and everyone with a weak back or timid heart will have to
migrate to Florida every winter.

Todd Swearingen

- Original Message -
From: Hakan Falk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 9:38 PM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: ethanol economics


>
> Dear Todd,
>
> I agree with you on the number game, I wrote earlier,
>
> With 25 barrels per hectare, the current
> annual oil consumption would need more than 11 giga hectars of
land.
> The yield would be a rounded 2,500 barrel per square km and
annual
> oil consumption would need 11,699,000 square km. This is more
than
> the land mass of USA. For US internal consumption (25% of
world), it
> would need to grow sapium sebiferum on one quarter of its land
mass,
> or approximately on all its current agriculture land. If US
> average can be lowered to the current consumption for
California, it
> only need 14% of its land mass. On Swedish consumption level,
it
> will need 8% of its land mass.
>
> Your calculations confirm the above when you expand it to all
crude
> oil usage. For transport only and with corn, we will end up
with almost
> the same numbers. For transport only, SVO and sapium sebiferum,
you
> only need a few percent of US landmass.
>
> Hakan
>
>
>
> At 08:50 PM 8/28/2002 -0400, you wrote:
> >The following is response to an off-list inquiry made about an
> >article based upon David Pimental's representations as to
> >ethanols dis-economics. It might make better sense to read the
> >original inquiry first, then the response.
> >
> >Todd Swearingen
> >.
> >
> >Dear [snip],
> >
> >First, I would care to enquire as to what your relationship
and
> >interest to the study, Pimental and any other researchers may
be.
> >
> >Second, a person need not be expert in any particular field to
> >discern that Pimental's study is largely lacking in multiple
> >areas. Due diligence is sufficient to reveal many of the
flaws.
> >You can take one look at the article, make one call to your
> >nearest ag agent, put pen to paper and determine that his
> >calculations are all too frequently derived from inflated
> >assumptions, perspectives and allocations.
> >
> >One could start with the premise that the average gasoline
> >powered automobile in the US only achieves a fuel economy of
> >~11.74 miles per gallon. That is gravely erroneous.
> >
> >One could continue with the premise that it takes 11 acres to
> >grow enough ethanol to propel same vehicle 10,000 miles each
> >year. At a national average of ~120 bushels of corn/acre,
> >yielding almost exactly 2.5 gallons per bushel, Mr. Pimental
> >suggests that it will take 7.16 acres to grow enough fuel to
> >produce the 852 gallons that will be derived from the
remaining
> >2.84 acres. This in itself does not jibe with Mr. Pimental's
> >energy input/output ratios.
> >
> >One could also take into consideration the negative impact
that
> >Pimental gives to agricultural subsidies while attributing no
> >weight to fossil fuels subsidies and the costs resulting from
> >them. This is an uneven and inappropriate tactic. Apples to
> >apples is the appropriate method, not pears to squirrels.
> >
> >One could point out that Mr. Pimental makes no effort to
> >ameliorate the production cost of ethanol by including the
> >principal co-products of corn-based ethanol manufacture - oil,
> >soap stock, lecithin and brewers' grains. In fact, Mr.
Pimental
> >would like to leave anyone who reads his "study" or articles
> >based upon his "study" believing that only ethanol is produced
> >from corn, therefore all costs and energy inputs/outputs
should
> >be assessed soley against the ethanol fraction.
> >
> >This is bogus, which any statistician, bean counter, economist
> >or 1st year middle school student knows.
> >
> >The declaration also is made that it takes 11 acres to feed
seven
> >Americans. It is obvious by such a claim that Mr. Pimental is
at
> >best deriving his numbers from a heavily impalanced, factory
> >farmed, meat centered diet where the majority of the acreage
is
> >used to produce grains and other feed for livestock, not
humans.
> >This in itself shows a severe bias towards inflated numbers
and
> >gives one cause to question if total exports of ag

Re: [biofuel] Re: ethanol economics

2002-08-28 Thread Hakan Falk


Dear Todd,

I agree with you on the number game, I wrote earlier,

With 25 barrels per hectare, the current
annual oil consumption would need more than 11 giga hectars of land.
The yield would be a rounded 2,500 barrel per square km and annual
oil consumption would need 11,699,000 square km. This is more than
the land mass of USA. For US internal consumption (25% of world), it
would need to grow sapium sebiferum on one quarter of its land mass,
or approximately on all its current agriculture land. If US
average can be lowered to the current consumption for California, it
only need 14% of its land mass. On Swedish consumption level, it
will need 8% of its land mass.

Your calculations confirm the above when you expand it to all crude
oil usage. For transport only and with corn, we will end up with almost
the same numbers. For transport only, SVO and sapium sebiferum, you
only need a few percent of US landmass.

Hakan



At 08:50 PM 8/28/2002 -0400, you wrote:
>The following is response to an off-list inquiry made about an
>article based upon David Pimental's representations as to
>ethanols dis-economics. It might make better sense to read the
>original inquiry first, then the response.
>
>Todd Swearingen
>.
>
>Dear [snip],
>
>First, I would care to enquire as to what your relationship and
>interest to the study, Pimental and any other researchers may be.
>
>Second, a person need not be expert in any particular field to
>discern that Pimental's study is largely lacking in multiple
>areas. Due diligence is sufficient to reveal many of the flaws.
>You can take one look at the article, make one call to your
>nearest ag agent, put pen to paper and determine that his
>calculations are all too frequently derived from inflated
>assumptions, perspectives and allocations.
>
>One could start with the premise that the average gasoline
>powered automobile in the US only achieves a fuel economy of
>~11.74 miles per gallon. That is gravely erroneous.
>
>One could continue with the premise that it takes 11 acres to
>grow enough ethanol to propel same vehicle 10,000 miles each
>year. At a national average of ~120 bushels of corn/acre,
>yielding almost exactly 2.5 gallons per bushel, Mr. Pimental
>suggests that it will take 7.16 acres to grow enough fuel to
>produce the 852 gallons that will be derived from the remaining
>2.84 acres. This in itself does not jibe with Mr. Pimental's
>energy input/output ratios.
>
>One could also take into consideration the negative impact that
>Pimental gives to agricultural subsidies while attributing no
>weight to fossil fuels subsidies and the costs resulting from
>them. This is an uneven and inappropriate tactic. Apples to
>apples is the appropriate method, not pears to squirrels.
>
>One could point out that Mr. Pimental makes no effort to
>ameliorate the production cost of ethanol by including the
>principal co-products of corn-based ethanol manufacture - oil,
>soap stock, lecithin and brewers' grains. In fact, Mr. Pimental
>would like to leave anyone who reads his "study" or articles
>based upon his "study" believing that only ethanol is produced
>from corn, therefore all costs and energy inputs/outputs should
>be assessed soley against the ethanol fraction.
>
>This is bogus, which any statistician, bean counter, economist
>or 1st year middle school student knows.
>
>The declaration also is made that it takes 11 acres to feed seven
>Americans. It is obvious by such a claim that Mr. Pimental is at
>best deriving his numbers from a heavily impalanced, factory
>farmed, meat centered diet where the majority of the acreage is
>used to produce grains and other feed for livestock, not humans.
>This in itself shows a severe bias towards inflated numbers and
>gives one cause to question if total exports of agricultural
>products were subtracted from his equations prior to their
>concoction.
>
>Throw in this "whopper" for good measure. Total US dry land mass
>is 3,536,278 square miles, or 2,263,217,920 acres. Pimental's own
>numbers and those from the article include that the average auto
>travels 10,000 miles, consuming 852 gallons of ethanol (if E-100
>powered), that the average acre produces 126.96 bushels of corn,
>that the average yield of ethanol per bushel is 2.58 gallons,
>that the energy ratio is 1.70 to 1.0 (2.70 total gallons of
>ethanol per gallon produced) and that 97% of the US land mass
>would have to be planted in corn to meet this demand. (That's
>total land mass, not just arable land.)
>
>(2,263,217,920 x 126.96 x 2.58) / (832 x 2.7) = 330,009,090
>"average" automobiles traversing the US, at 10,000 miles each.
>
>Oddly, the poplulation of the US is ~281,421,906 (year 2000
>census, excluding service men and women overseas). Equally as odd
>is that US automobile insurers rate the average driver at ~10,000
>miles annually. Subtracting from the population those youth not
>yet of driving age (under 16 years old) leaves you with
>217,149147 persons old en

[biofuel] Re: ethanol economics

2002-08-28 Thread Appal Energy

The following is response to an off-list inquiry made about an
article based upon David Pimental's representations as to
ethanols dis-economics. It might make better sense to read the
original inquiry first, then the response.

Todd Swearingen
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Dear [snip],

First, I would care to enquire as to what your relationship and
interest to the study, Pimental and any other researchers may be.

Second, a person need not be expert in any particular field to
discern that Pimental's study is largely lacking in multiple
areas. Due diligence is sufficient to reveal many of the flaws.
You can take one look at the article, make one call to your
nearest ag agent, put pen to paper and determine that his
calculations are all too frequently derived from inflated
assumptions, perspectives and allocations.

One could start with the premise that the average gasoline
powered automobile in the US only achieves a fuel economy of
~11.74 miles per gallon. That is gravely erroneous.

One could continue with the premise that it takes 11 acres to
grow enough ethanol to propel same vehicle 10,000 miles each
year. At a national average of ~120 bushels of corn/acre,
yielding almost exactly 2.5 gallons per bushel, Mr. Pimental
suggests that it will take 7.16 acres to grow enough fuel to
produce the 852 gallons that will be derived from the remaining
2.84 acres. This in itself does not jibe with Mr. Pimental's
energy input/output ratios.

One could also take into consideration the negative impact that
Pimental gives to agricultural subsidies while attributing no
weight to fossil fuels subsidies and the costs resulting from
them. This is an uneven and inappropriate tactic. Apples to
apples is the appropriate method, not pears to squirrels.

One could point out that Mr. Pimental makes no effort to
ameliorate the production cost of ethanol by including the
principal co-products of corn-based ethanol manufacture - oil,
soap stock, lecithin and brewers' grains. In fact, Mr. Pimental
would like to leave anyone who reads his "study" or articles
based upon his "study" believing that only ethanol is produced
from corn, therefore all costs and energy inputs/outputs should
be assessed soley against the ethanol fraction.

This is bogus, which any statistician, bean counter, economist
or 1st year middle school student knows.

The declaration also is made that it takes 11 acres to feed seven
Americans. It is obvious by such a claim that Mr. Pimental is at
best deriving his numbers from a heavily impalanced, factory
farmed, meat centered diet where the majority of the acreage is
used to produce grains and other feed for livestock, not humans.
This in itself shows a severe bias towards inflated numbers and
gives one cause to question if total exports of agricultural
products were subtracted from his equations prior to their
concoction.

Throw in this "whopper" for good measure. Total US dry land mass
is 3,536,278 square miles, or 2,263,217,920 acres. Pimental's own
numbers and those from the article include that the average auto
travels 10,000 miles, consuming 852 gallons of ethanol (if E-100
powered), that the average acre produces 126.96 bushels of corn,
that the average yield of ethanol per bushel is 2.58 gallons,
that the energy ratio is 1.70 to 1.0 (2.70 total gallons of
ethanol per gallon produced) and that 97% of the US land mass
would have to be planted in corn to meet this demand. (That's
total land mass, not just arable land.)

(2,263,217,920 x 126.96 x 2.58) / (832 x 2.7) = 330,009,090
"average" automobiles traversing the US, at 10,000 miles each.

Oddly, the poplulation of the US is ~281,421,906 (year 2000
census, excluding service men and women overseas). Equally as odd
is that US automobile insurers rate the average driver at ~10,000
miles annually. Subtracting from the population those youth not
yet of driving age (under 16 years old) leaves you with
217,149147 persons old enough to drive. Subtracting the
population older than 80 years of age leaves you with
~207,964,163 persons capable of driving the requisite 10,000
miles per year.

That makes Pimental's numbers incredulously inflated by 36.98% -
a rather large margin of miscalculation. Couple that with an
obviously errant average fuel economy of 11.74 mpg when 20 mpg is
closer to realistic. That's an approximate 41.32% total
consumption error, bringing the total land mass "necessarily"
covered by maize down to ~40.08%. Multiply that times the ~63.02%
of actual drivers, rather than Pimental's 36.98% inflated number,
and you come up with ~25.26% of the total land mass covered by
corn, not the 97% that is mis-represented.

(I wonder if Pimental would consider the difference
"significant?")

Couple all of these errors made by Pimental with fuel economy
constantly being on the rise and you begin to see even more
monumental reductions in Pimental's mis-representations. Aside
from the fact that Pimental was heavily in error when he first
presented his "study," he a