RE: [biofuel] UPDATE: Use of vegetable oil in a diesel engine
Detrick, I just compiled this list for somebody else, I know you have seen Ed Beggs thesis already but here are the other sources I could think of. For SVO emission data try:- http://bengal.missouri.edu/~pavt0689/Review_Utilization_of_Rapeseed_Oil. pdf This is a good source, outrageously big file size due to bad file formatting. Also a part translation of the German page http://www.biocar.de/download a thesis report examining emissions from a vehicle equipped with a Biocar conversion is available from my site:- www.vegburner.co.uk/biocar if this does not work let me know. http://www.nf-2000.org/secure/Fair/F484.htm Widely regarded as one of the best PPO technical papers, has some information on particulate emissions. http://www.biodiesel.org/reports/GEN-162.doc If I remember correctly also contains relevant info. Hope these help. Darren -Original Message- From: Detrick Merz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 26 August 2003 14:44 To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] UPDATE: Use of vegetable oil in a diesel engine A few months ago (May 2003), I started a thread about the legalities relating to the use of VO in a diesel engine in the U.S. This eventually led to the discovery, that the U.S. EPA wants certain emissions test results, to recognize VO as a legal motor fuel. Biodiesel went through this process in it's own right, but because of the chemical differences between biodiesel and VO, VO cannot be recognized on the basis of the biodiesel test results. Ed Beggs, of Neoteric Biofuels, Inc., allowed me to forward a thesis he had written, Renewable Oil Fuels and Diesel Engines as Components of Sustainable System Design, to the U.S. EPA. It was my hope that this thesis would provide the EPA with the data they were looking for. I suspected, however, that the thesis would not be enough. Even so, I gambled on the EPA responding with where the data was lacking, so I could begin to research how to complete the data set. Jim Caldwell, of the U.S. EPA, has responded back. It took him about 2 days to respond, so he at least had the time to read the thesis. As I had suspected, Jim informed me that the thesis did not contain the necessary information. But, he was able to point me to the U.S. EPA's Diesel Retrofit Program. After skimming through the information on the Retrofit Program, I've found a section which offers alternative fuels as, for lack of a better way to say it, a 'retrofit' to reduce emissions. It also appears that a wealth of documentation, test plans, and other requirements are available. So, what does this mean in the end? My quest to get VO accepted by the U.S. EPA as a legal motor fuel might just have a chance. At least I have access to a method for submitting the right information the right way, to the EPA. I'll be reading over the information on this program over the next few days/weeks, as I have spare time. Hopefully, then, I can draw up some kind of feasable plan to get regulations pushed through the EPA. If anyone cares to help in some way (I'm certainly don't have the facilities or knowledge, yet, to complete what I'm attempting), I'd be glad to accept it. If not, expect to be hit with questions as I learn how to make this happen. -detrick Original Message Subject: Re: Use of vegetable oil in a diesel engine Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 08:35:39 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Detrick Merz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Detrick, Thank you for the interesting thesis. However, it does not address whether the technology, when applied to engines certified to U.S. emission standards, will allow those engines to still meet standards. I believe that the most appropriate approach for you to take is through the Voluntary Diesel Retrofit Program. Please see: http://www.epa.gov/otaq/retrofit/index.htm. Jim Caldwell (202) 564-9303 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for Your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at Myinks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/l.m7sD/LIdGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL
Re: [biofuel] UPDATE: Use of vegetable oil in a diesel engine
Is there any official metal (=car) organization or company that would teach mechanists (preferly in Spanish) to improve normodiesel ( biodiesel/petrodiesel) to oleo-normodiesel engine ( engine that runs with normodiesel and vegoil ). So, they could recieve an official certification about skills and knowledge.. I am thinking about write officially a letter to some organizations about this possibility.. Regards. Elabore caseramente biodiesel para su actual motor de gasoil petrolfero La solucin a sus problemas energticos. http://www.enlazando.com/energia http://journeytoforever.org/energiaweb/ - Original Message - From: Hakan Falk To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 5:48 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] UPDATE: Use of vegetable oil in a diesel engine Detrick, I think that it is very commendable of you, to want to go through this kind of efforts. It is however not without a special reflection that I read about all the efforts that you are to embark on. Is it not remarkable that a Nation that will spend billions of $ on Hydrogen, must relay on an enthusiastic private person to approve vegetable oil in diesel engines? This especially since the original engine design and use, was for vegetable oil. -:)) After making the mistake of believing that, http://strategicplan.doe.gov/Draft%20SP.pdf was a joke, I am taking your information seriously. It is after all 50% chance that it is a serious matter and not a joke. Good luck with your efforts, you are doing a good thing for US and I hope that EPA is embarrassed enough to give you all possible assistance. Hakan At 09:43 AM 8/26/2003 -0400, you wrote: A few months ago (May 2003), I started a thread about the legalities relating to the use of VO in a diesel engine in the U.S. This eventually led to the discovery, that the U.S. EPA wants certain emissions test results, to recognize VO as a legal motor fuel. Biodiesel went through this process in it's own right, but because of the chemical differences between biodiesel and VO, VO cannot be recognized on the basis of the biodiesel test results. Ed Beggs, of Neoteric Biofuels, Inc., allowed me to forward a thesis he had written, Renewable Oil Fuels and Diesel Engines as Components of Sustainable System Design, to the U.S. EPA. It was my hope that this thesis would provide the EPA with the data they were looking for. I suspected, however, that the thesis would not be enough. Even so, I gambled on the EPA responding with where the data was lacking, so I could begin to research how to complete the data set. Jim Caldwell, of the U.S. EPA, has responded back. It took him about 2 days to respond, so he at least had the time to read the thesis. As I had suspected, Jim informed me that the thesis did not contain the necessary information. But, he was able to point me to the U.S. EPA's Diesel Retrofit Program. After skimming through the information on the Retrofit Program, I've found a section which offers alternative fuels as, for lack of a better way to say it, a 'retrofit' to reduce emissions. It also appears that a wealth of documentation, test plans, and other requirements are available. So, what does this mean in the end? My quest to get VO accepted by the U.S. EPA as a legal motor fuel might just have a chance. At least I have access to a method for submitting the right information the right way, to the EPA. I'll be reading over the information on this program over the next few days/weeks, as I have spare time. Hopefully, then, I can draw up some kind of feasable plan to get regulations pushed through the EPA. If anyone cares to help in some way (I'm certainly don't have the facilities or knowledge, yet, to complete what I'm attempting), I'd be glad to accept it. If not, expect to be hit with questions as I learn how to make this happen. -detrick Original Message Subject: Re: Use of vegetable oil in a diesel engine Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 08:35:39 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Detrick Merz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Detrick, Thank you for the interesting thesis. However, it does not address whether the technology, when applied to engines certified to U.S. emission standards, will allow those engines to still meet standards. I believe that the most appropriate approach for you to take is through the Voluntary Diesel Retrofit Program. Please see: http://www.epa.gov/otaq/retrofit/index.htm. Jim Caldwell (202) 564-9303 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL
Re: [biofuel] UPDATE: Use of vegetable oil in a diesel engine and hydrogen
Do you know why they propagate hydrogen ???. Because petrol companies proposes create it from petroleum. And the best and only ecological way is hydrolisis. But hydrogen don«t solves the nowaday problem ( use of ecological fuel in petrol vehicles). Perhaps another help way is ban the selling of new gasoline (that can not use pure bioalcohol) engines - vehicles - , because only can use petrol and this fuel is very contaminant and negative for human health and nature (ecosystem). Regards. Elabore caseramente biodiesel para su actual motor de gasoil petrolfero La solucin a sus problemas energticos. http://www.enlazando.com/energia http://journeytoforever.org/energiaweb/ - Original Message - From: Hakan Falk To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 5:48 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] UPDATE: Use of vegetable oil in a diesel engine Detrick, I think that it is very commendable of you, to want to go through this kind of efforts. It is however not without a special reflection that I read about all the efforts that you are to embark on. Is it not remarkable that a Nation that will spend billions of $ on Hydrogen, must relay on an enthusiastic private person to approve vegetable oil in diesel engines? This especially since the original engine design and use, was for vegetable oil. -:)) After making the mistake of believing that, http://strategicplan.doe.gov/Draft%20SP.pdf was a joke, I am taking your information seriously. It is after all 50% chance that it is a serious matter and not a joke. Good luck with your efforts, you are doing a good thing for US and I hope that EPA is embarrassed enough to give you all possible assistance. Hakan At 09:43 AM 8/26/2003 -0400, you wrote: A few months ago (May 2003), I started a thread about the legalities relating to the use of VO in a diesel engine in the U.S. This eventually led to the discovery, that the U.S. EPA wants certain emissions test results, to recognize VO as a legal motor fuel. Biodiesel went through this process in it's own right, but because of the chemical differences between biodiesel and VO, VO cannot be recognized on the basis of the biodiesel test results. Ed Beggs, of Neoteric Biofuels, Inc., allowed me to forward a thesis he had written, Renewable Oil Fuels and Diesel Engines as Components of Sustainable System Design, to the U.S. EPA. It was my hope that this thesis would provide the EPA with the data they were looking for. I suspected, however, that the thesis would not be enough. Even so, I gambled on the EPA responding with where the data was lacking, so I could begin to research how to complete the data set. Jim Caldwell, of the U.S. EPA, has responded back. It took him about 2 days to respond, so he at least had the time to read the thesis. As I had suspected, Jim informed me that the thesis did not contain the necessary information. But, he was able to point me to the U.S. EPA's Diesel Retrofit Program. After skimming through the information on the Retrofit Program, I've found a section which offers alternative fuels as, for lack of a better way to say it, a 'retrofit' to reduce emissions. It also appears that a wealth of documentation, test plans, and other requirements are available. So, what does this mean in the end? My quest to get VO accepted by the U.S. EPA as a legal motor fuel might just have a chance. At least I have access to a method for submitting the right information the right way, to the EPA. I'll be reading over the information on this program over the next few days/weeks, as I have spare time. Hopefully, then, I can draw up some kind of feasable plan to get regulations pushed through the EPA. If anyone cares to help in some way (I'm certainly don't have the facilities or knowledge, yet, to complete what I'm attempting), I'd be glad to accept it. If not, expect to be hit with questions as I learn how to make this happen. -detrick Original Message Subject: Re: Use of vegetable oil in a diesel engine Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 08:35:39 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Detrick Merz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Detrick, Thank you for the interesting thesis. However, it does not address whether the technology, when applied to engines certified to U.S. emission standards, will allow those engines to still meet standards. I believe that the most appropriate approach for you to take is through the Voluntary Diesel Retrofit Program. Please see: http://www.epa.gov/otaq/retrofit/index.htm. Jim Caldwell (202) 564-9303 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send
Re: [biofuel] UPDATE: Use of vegetable oil in a diesel engine
Pedro, Are you in Spain? Almost all European and Japanese diesel cars after 1996 are biodiesel compatible. In Northern Europe, you will need tank heaters and probably fuel line heaters for more than B20 in winter, that is all. Vegoil must be well heated and will then cover many cars. Almost all European / Japanese after 1996 and some American gasoline cars are Ethanol / Gasoline mix compatible to around E30 and many to E100 with tuning. Since the car manufacturer (after 1996) make standard models for biofuels mixes, they already have education for those engines. The training needed is more of information about tuning / problems and especially when the vehicle been used with fossil fuel first. Filter and cleaning processes. For vehicles older than 1996, it should be a smaller number of specialist garages and they are already there, often involved in rally and racing community. They are using special fuels and are familiar with the technical side of similar conversions. We will see a larger implementation of biofuels in Europe around 2010 and then around 90% of the cars will be post 1996 models, with 40 to 50% diesels. The real challenge will be on the production side, if the EU goals are going to be met or preferably superseded with higher usage. Will be interesting times. Hakan At 04:54 PM 8/27/2003 +0200, you wrote: Is there any official metal (=car) organization or company that would teach mechanists (preferly in Spanish) to improve normodiesel ( biodiesel/petrodiesel) to oleo-normodiesel engine ( engine that runs with normodiesel and vegoil ). So, they could recieve an official certification about skills and knowledge.. I am thinking about write officially a letter to some organizations about this possibility.. Regards. Elabore caseramente biodiesel para su actual motor de gasoil petrolfero La solucin a sus problemas energticos. http://www.enlazando.com/energia http://journeytoforever.org/energiaweb/ - Original Message - From: Hakan Falk To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 5:48 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] UPDATE: Use of vegetable oil in a diesel engine Detrick, I think that it is very commendable of you, to want to go through this kind of efforts. It is however not without a special reflection that I read about all the efforts that you are to embark on. Is it not remarkable that a Nation that will spend billions of $ on Hydrogen, must relay on an enthusiastic private person to approve vegetable oil in diesel engines? This especially since the original engine design and use, was for vegetable oil. -:)) After making the mistake of believing that, http://strategicplan.doe.gov/Draft%20SP.pdf was a joke, I am taking your information seriously. It is after all 50% chance that it is a serious matter and not a joke. Good luck with your efforts, you are doing a good thing for US and I hope that EPA is embarrassed enough to give you all possible assistance. Hakan At 09:43 AM 8/26/2003 -0400, you wrote: A few months ago (May 2003), I started a thread about the legalities relating to the use of VO in a diesel engine in the U.S. This eventually led to the discovery, that the U.S. EPA wants certain emissions test results, to recognize VO as a legal motor fuel. Biodiesel went through this process in it's own right, but because of the chemical differences between biodiesel and VO, VO cannot be recognized on the basis of the biodiesel test results. Ed Beggs, of Neoteric Biofuels, Inc., allowed me to forward a thesis he had written, Renewable Oil Fuels and Diesel Engines as Components of Sustainable System Design, to the U.S. EPA. It was my hope that this thesis would provide the EPA with the data they were looking for. I suspected, however, that the thesis would not be enough. Even so, I gambled on the EPA responding with where the data was lacking, so I could begin to research how to complete the data set. Jim Caldwell, of the U.S. EPA, has responded back. It took him about 2 days to respond, so he at least had the time to read the thesis. As I had suspected, Jim informed me that the thesis did not contain the necessary information. But, he was able to point me to the U.S. EPA's Diesel Retrofit Program. After skimming through the information on the Retrofit Program, I've found a section which offers alternative fuels as, for lack of a better way to say it, a 'retrofit' to reduce emissions. It also appears that a wealth of documentation, test plans, and other requirements are available. So, what does this mean in the end? My quest to get VO accepted by the U.S. EPA as a legal motor fuel might just have a chance. At least I have access to a method for submitting the right information the right way, to the EPA. I'll be reading over
Re: [biofuel] UPDATE: Use of vegetable oil in a diesel engine and hydrogen
Look at my view at,
http://energy.saving.nu/resources/scamartists.shtml
Hakan
At 04:58 PM 8/27/2003 +0200, you wrote:
Do you know why they propagate hydrogen ???. Because petrol companies
proposes create it from petroleum.
And the best and only ecological way is hydrolisis. But hydrogen don«t
solves the nowaday problem ( use of ecological fuel in petrol vehicles).
Perhaps another help way is ban the selling of new gasoline (that can not
use pure bioalcohol) engines - vehicles - , because only can use petrol
and this fuel is very contaminant and negative for human health and nature
(ecosystem).
Regards.
Elabore caseramente biodiesel para su actual motor de gasoil petrolfero
La solucin a sus problemas energticos.
http://www.enlazando.com/energia
http://journeytoforever.org/energiaweb/
- Original Message -
From: Hakan Falk
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 5:48 PM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] UPDATE: Use of vegetable oil in a diesel engine
Detrick,
I think that it is very commendable of you, to want to go through
this kind of efforts.
It is however not without a special reflection that I read about all
the efforts that you are to embark on.
Is it not remarkable that a Nation that will spend billions of $
on Hydrogen, must relay on an enthusiastic private person to
approve vegetable oil in diesel engines? This especially since
the original engine design and use, was for vegetable oil. -:))
After making the mistake of believing that,
http://strategicplan.doe.gov/Draft%20SP.pdf
was a joke, I am taking your information seriously. It is
after all 50% chance that it is a serious matter and not a joke.
Good luck with your efforts, you are doing a good thing for US
and I hope that EPA is embarrassed enough to give you all
possible assistance.
Hakan
At 09:43 AM 8/26/2003 -0400, you wrote:
A few months ago (May 2003), I started a thread about the legalities
relating to the use of VO in a diesel engine in the U.S. This
eventually led to the discovery, that the U.S. EPA wants certain
emissions test results, to recognize VO as a legal motor fuel.
Biodiesel went through this process in it's own right, but because of
the chemical differences between biodiesel and VO, VO cannot be
recognized on the basis of the biodiesel test results.
Ed Beggs, of Neoteric Biofuels, Inc., allowed me to forward a thesis he
had written, Renewable Oil Fuels and Diesel Engines as Components of
Sustainable System Design, to the U.S. EPA. It was my hope that this
thesis would provide the EPA with the data they were looking for. I
suspected, however, that the thesis would not be enough. Even so, I
gambled on the EPA responding with where the data was lacking, so I
could begin to research how to complete the data set.
Jim Caldwell, of the U.S. EPA, has responded back. It took him about 2
days to respond, so he at least had the time to read the thesis. As I
had suspected, Jim informed me that the thesis did not contain the
necessary information. But, he was able to point me to the U.S. EPA's
Diesel Retrofit Program. After skimming through the information on
the Retrofit Program, I've found a section which offers alternative
fuels as, for lack of a better way to say it, a 'retrofit' to reduce
emissions. It also appears that a wealth of documentation, test plans,
and other requirements are available.
So, what does this mean in the end? My quest to get VO accepted by the
U.S. EPA as a legal motor fuel might just have a chance. At least I
have access to a method for submitting the right information the right
way, to the EPA. I'll be reading over the information on this program
over the next few days/weeks, as I have spare time. Hopefully, then, I
can draw up some kind of feasable plan to get regulations pushed through
the EPA.
If anyone cares to help in some way (I'm certainly don't have the
facilities or knowledge, yet, to complete what I'm attempting), I'd be
glad to accept it. If not, expect to be hit with questions as I learn
how to make this happen.
-detrick
Original Message
Subject: Re: Use of vegetable oil in a diesel engine
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 08:35:39 -0400
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Detrick Merz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Detrick,
Thank you for the interesting thesis. However, it does not address
whether the technology, when applied to engines certified to U.S.
emission standards, will allow those engines to still meet standards. I
believe that the most appropriate approach for you to take is through
the Voluntary Diesel Retrofit Program. Please see:
http://www.epa.gov/otaq/retrofit/index.htm.
Jim Caldwell
(202) 564-9303
Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
[biofuel] UPDATE: Use of vegetable oil in a diesel engine
A few months ago (May 2003), I started a thread about the legalities relating to the use of VO in a diesel engine in the U.S. This eventually led to the discovery, that the U.S. EPA wants certain emissions test results, to recognize VO as a legal motor fuel. Biodiesel went through this process in it's own right, but because of the chemical differences between biodiesel and VO, VO cannot be recognized on the basis of the biodiesel test results. Ed Beggs, of Neoteric Biofuels, Inc., allowed me to forward a thesis he had written, Renewable Oil Fuels and Diesel Engines as Components of Sustainable System Design, to the U.S. EPA. It was my hope that this thesis would provide the EPA with the data they were looking for. I suspected, however, that the thesis would not be enough. Even so, I gambled on the EPA responding with where the data was lacking, so I could begin to research how to complete the data set. Jim Caldwell, of the U.S. EPA, has responded back. It took him about 2 days to respond, so he at least had the time to read the thesis. As I had suspected, Jim informed me that the thesis did not contain the necessary information. But, he was able to point me to the U.S. EPA's Diesel Retrofit Program. After skimming through the information on the Retrofit Program, I've found a section which offers alternative fuels as, for lack of a better way to say it, a 'retrofit' to reduce emissions. It also appears that a wealth of documentation, test plans, and other requirements are available. So, what does this mean in the end? My quest to get VO accepted by the U.S. EPA as a legal motor fuel might just have a chance. At least I have access to a method for submitting the right information the right way, to the EPA. I'll be reading over the information on this program over the next few days/weeks, as I have spare time. Hopefully, then, I can draw up some kind of feasable plan to get regulations pushed through the EPA. If anyone cares to help in some way (I'm certainly don't have the facilities or knowledge, yet, to complete what I'm attempting), I'd be glad to accept it. If not, expect to be hit with questions as I learn how to make this happen. -detrick Original Message Subject: Re: Use of vegetable oil in a diesel engine Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 08:35:39 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Detrick Merz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Detrick, Thank you for the interesting thesis. However, it does not address whether the technology, when applied to engines certified to U.S. emission standards, will allow those engines to still meet standards. I believe that the most appropriate approach for you to take is through the Voluntary Diesel Retrofit Program. Please see: http://www.epa.gov/otaq/retrofit/index.htm. Jim Caldwell (202) 564-9303 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for Your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at Myinks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/l.m7sD/LIdGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] UPDATE: Use of vegetable oil in a diesel engine
Detrick, I think that it is very commendable of you, to want to go through this kind of efforts. It is however not without a special reflection that I read about all the efforts that you are to embark on. Is it not remarkable that a Nation that will spend billions of $ on Hydrogen, must relay on an enthusiastic private person to approve vegetable oil in diesel engines? This especially since the original engine design and use, was for vegetable oil. -:)) After making the mistake of believing that, http://strategicplan.doe.gov/Draft%20SP.pdf was a joke, I am taking your information seriously. It is after all 50% chance that it is a serious matter and not a joke. Good luck with your efforts, you are doing a good thing for US and I hope that EPA is embarrassed enough to give you all possible assistance. Hakan At 09:43 AM 8/26/2003 -0400, you wrote: A few months ago (May 2003), I started a thread about the legalities relating to the use of VO in a diesel engine in the U.S. This eventually led to the discovery, that the U.S. EPA wants certain emissions test results, to recognize VO as a legal motor fuel. Biodiesel went through this process in it's own right, but because of the chemical differences between biodiesel and VO, VO cannot be recognized on the basis of the biodiesel test results. Ed Beggs, of Neoteric Biofuels, Inc., allowed me to forward a thesis he had written, Renewable Oil Fuels and Diesel Engines as Components of Sustainable System Design, to the U.S. EPA. It was my hope that this thesis would provide the EPA with the data they were looking for. I suspected, however, that the thesis would not be enough. Even so, I gambled on the EPA responding with where the data was lacking, so I could begin to research how to complete the data set. Jim Caldwell, of the U.S. EPA, has responded back. It took him about 2 days to respond, so he at least had the time to read the thesis. As I had suspected, Jim informed me that the thesis did not contain the necessary information. But, he was able to point me to the U.S. EPA's Diesel Retrofit Program. After skimming through the information on the Retrofit Program, I've found a section which offers alternative fuels as, for lack of a better way to say it, a 'retrofit' to reduce emissions. It also appears that a wealth of documentation, test plans, and other requirements are available. So, what does this mean in the end? My quest to get VO accepted by the U.S. EPA as a legal motor fuel might just have a chance. At least I have access to a method for submitting the right information the right way, to the EPA. I'll be reading over the information on this program over the next few days/weeks, as I have spare time. Hopefully, then, I can draw up some kind of feasable plan to get regulations pushed through the EPA. If anyone cares to help in some way (I'm certainly don't have the facilities or knowledge, yet, to complete what I'm attempting), I'd be glad to accept it. If not, expect to be hit with questions as I learn how to make this happen. -detrick Original Message Subject: Re: Use of vegetable oil in a diesel engine Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 08:35:39 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Detrick Merz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Detrick, Thank you for the interesting thesis. However, it does not address whether the technology, when applied to engines certified to U.S. emission standards, will allow those engines to still meet standards. I believe that the most appropriate approach for you to take is through the Voluntary Diesel Retrofit Program. Please see: http://www.epa.gov/otaq/retrofit/index.htm. Jim Caldwell (202) 564-9303 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for Your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at Myinks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/l.m7sD/LIdGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
