Re: [biofuel] an animal fats thing
Go Hoff wrote: From: girl_mark_fire [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Bubble washing. allegedly it's an animal fats thing. I haven't personally dealt with it because in the US we don't get fast food cooked in animal fats. anyone else (ie australians, eaters of fine tallow fried ... er... food), more info? Is 'normally used' animal fat harder to convert fully than vegoil? I have been told that McDonalds fry oil is the same the world over and contains 30% chicken fat. Your source was misinformed. In the US, McDonald's uses 100% veggie oil. In fact, when they switched over from a cottonseed oil/tallow blend to 100% veggie oil in the early 90s, they worked extensively with chemists at IFF to make sure the unique flavor of McDonald's fries was not altered. John Wow, John you even spell McDonald's right! The rest of it's not right though. (No, I'm not a vegetarian.) Keith http://www.mcspotlight.org/media/press/mcds/chicagosuntimes100103.html 10/01/03 . BY SANDRA GUY Business Reporter . Chicago Sun Times . USA McDonald's/Vegetarian Lawsuit 'Settlement' Controversy Continues 1. Lawyer hits McD on suit settlement process [Chicago Sun Times] 2. McDonald's Attacks Vegetarian Leaders [www.vegsource.com] 3. Vegetarians Challenge McDonald's Payout 1. Lawyer hits McD on suit settlement process January 10, 2003 BY SANDRA GUY Business Reporter - Chicago Sun Times McDonald's Corp.'s efforts to settle a lawsuit over its misrepresentation of animal-fat content in french fries and hash browns are running afoul of the very people the settlement was meant to appease. McDonald's agreed in June to donate $10 million to Hindu, vegetarian and other groups to settle lawsuits filed against the Oak Brook fast-food chain for mislabeling french fries and hash browns as vegetarian. The vegetable oil used to prepare the fries and hash browns was not pure but contained essence of beef for flavoring. The list of more than 20 groups that McDonald's proposes to receive the $10 million has outraged the lawyer and the plaintiffs in the original suit, who contend the groups oppose Hindu, vegetarian and animal-rights values. McDonald's was first sued over the french fries by three vegetarians, including two Hindus who for religious reasons do not eat meat. Harish Bharti, the Seattle attorney who filed the original lawsuit on May 1, 2001, does not oppose the $10 million settlement itself. But he accused McDonald's of initially trying to pressure him to keep the settlement secret from his clients and to keep the list secret from groups that asked if they were on it. He objected. Bharti also said the other copycat lawyers who joined the lawsuit worked in league with McDonald's. The copycat lawyers have been fired by their clients, who are vegetarians and Hindus who filed lawsuits in Texas and Illinois, he said. I have been fighting [McDonald's and the other lawyers] to maintain my ethics, said Bharti, who described himself in a telephone interview as a Hindu Brahmin who is committed to following the religion's teachings. McDonald's Corp. issued a statement late Thursday calling the settlement process a fair and open-door process directed by the court. All interested parties had an equal opportunity to participate in the discussions and deliberations, including Mr. Bharti, according to the statement. He also was apprised of the proposed recipient list. McDonald's is committed to following the court's direction, according to the statement. Bharti is asking Cook County Circuit Court Judge Richard Siebel to remove McDonald's and all lawyers, including himself, from the settlement process and to appoint an independent special master or group to decide which groups should receive the settlement money. No one should be rejected because they stood up against McDonald's, Bharti said. He said McDonald's has ignored his recommendations about groups that deserve money from the settlement. Vegetarian and animal-rights groups also object to McDonald's list of recipient groups and researchers. Officials with People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) are fighting a proposed grant to a researcher at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill who it says wants to use money to promote anti-vegetarian diets. Steve Zeisel, the researcher, wants to use his share of the settlement to study whether women on strict vegetarian diets get enough of the nutrient choline, which is abundant in eggs, during pregnancy, according to PETA. The money is supposed to be earmarked for vegetarian groups, said Hannah Schein, a research associate for Norfolk, Va.-based PETA. He (Zeisel) doesn't represent a vegetarian group. If anything, he recommends that pregnant women not be vegetarian. McDonald's originally responded to the lawsuits by saying it never claimed the french fries it sells in the United States are vegetarian. But McDonald's apologized for any confusion surrounding the
Re: [biofuel] an animal fats thing
Keith Addison wrote: I have been told that McDonalds fry oil is the same the world over and contains 30% chicken fat. Your source was misinformed. In the US, McDonald's uses 100% veggie oil. In fact, when they switched over from a cottonseed oil/tallow blend to 100% veggie oil in the early 90s, they worked extensively with chemists at IFF to make sure the unique flavor of McDonald's fries was not altered. John Wow, John you even spell McDonald's right! The rest of it's not right though. (No, I'm not a vegetarian.) The source you list is rather long on outrage and rather short on science. I am quite aware of the complaint raised by various vegetarian groups against McDonald's on this topic and frankly I didn't think it was revelent to the discussion at hand so I didn't get into it in my brief response above. In the US at least, food flavors can be classified as as natural or artifical. These flavors are provided to food processors and consumer products companies by flavor fragrance houses like Quest, Givaudan, IFF and others. Typically, the exact composition of these flavors are trade secrets but the source of starting material determines whether the flavor is labelled natural or artifical. Generally, these flavors only need to be added in trace amounts. The essence of beef refered to in your link is just such a 'natural flavor'. The fact of the matter remains that prior to 1990, McDonald's used a 93% cottonseed/7% beef tallow blend. In 1990, because of concerns about cholesterol, they switched to 100% vegatable oil to which a tiny amount natural flavor, developed at IFF, had been added to mimic the unique flavor profile of tallow cooked fries. Feel free to excoriate McDonald's to your heart's content. God knows they make a nasty product and they aren't a very nice corporate citizen. However, given the discussion at hand, namely making biofuel, the tiny amounts of natural flavor are irrelevent and thus I stand by my previous statement. I'm sorry if my prior brevity led to any confusion. As to whether or not McDonald's fries actually contain beef, I couldn't say. Ironically, given the odd legal semantics of food flavor labeling, a 'natural beef flavor' may not come from a cow at all. When I was a product developer for a large multinational food company, I worked on a product that included a natural roasted chicken flavor that was derived entirely from hydrolyzed yeast proteins. The yeast protein was natural, and the additive gave the impression of roasted chicken, hence natural roasted chicken flavor. Of course, I can't speak to whether the natural tallow flavor used by McDonald's came from a cow or not. Only the chemists at IFF know for sure. John Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] an animal fats thing
Hello John Yes, I know about flavourings, did some work for an industry journal at one time. I didn't think science was called for, McDonald's's $10 mil seemed to say it all. Best Keith Keith Addison wrote: I have been told that McDonalds fry oil is the same the world over and contains 30% chicken fat. Your source was misinformed. In the US, McDonald's uses 100% veggie oil. In fact, when they switched over from a cottonseed oil/tallow blend to 100% veggie oil in the early 90s, they worked extensively with chemists at IFF to make sure the unique flavor of McDonald's fries was not altered. John Wow, John you even spell McDonald's right! The rest of it's not right though. (No, I'm not a vegetarian.) The source you list is rather long on outrage and rather short on science. I am quite aware of the complaint raised by various vegetarian groups against McDonald's on this topic and frankly I didn't think it was revelent to the discussion at hand so I didn't get into it in my brief response above. In the US at least, food flavors can be classified as as natural or artifical. These flavors are provided to food processors and consumer products companies by flavor fragrance houses like Quest, Givaudan, IFF and others. Typically, the exact composition of these flavors are trade secrets but the source of starting material determines whether the flavor is labelled natural or artifical. Generally, these flavors only need to be added in trace amounts. The essence of beef refered to in your link is just such a 'natural flavor'. The fact of the matter remains that prior to 1990, McDonald's used a 93% cottonseed/7% beef tallow blend. In 1990, because of concerns about cholesterol, they switched to 100% vegatable oil to which a tiny amount natural flavor, developed at IFF, had been added to mimic the unique flavor profile of tallow cooked fries. Feel free to excoriate McDonald's to your heart's content. God knows they make a nasty product and they aren't a very nice corporate citizen. However, given the discussion at hand, namely making biofuel, the tiny amounts of natural flavor are irrelevent and thus I stand by my previous statement. I'm sorry if my prior brevity led to any confusion. As to whether or not McDonald's fries actually contain beef, I couldn't say. Ironically, given the odd legal semantics of food flavor labeling, a 'natural beef flavor' may not come from a cow at all. When I was a product developer for a large multinational food company, I worked on a product that included a natural roasted chicken flavor that was derived entirely from hydrolyzed yeast proteins. The yeast protein was natural, and the additive gave the impression of roasted chicken, hence natural roasted chicken flavor. Of course, I can't speak to whether the natural tallow flavor used by McDonald's came from a cow or not. Only the chemists at IFF know for sure. John Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] an animal fats thing
Go Hoff wrote: From: girl_mark_fire [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Bubble washing. allegedly it's an animal fats thing. I haven't personally dealt with it because in the US we don't get fast food cooked in animal fats. anyone else (ie australians, eaters of fine tallow fried ... er... food), more info? Is 'normally used' animal fat harder to convert fully than vegoil? I have been told that McDonalds fry oil is the same the world over and contains 30% chicken fat. Your source was misinformed. In the US, McDonald's uses 100% veggie oil. In fact, when they switched over from a cottonseed oil/tallow blend to 100% veggie oil in the early 90s, they worked extensively with chemists at IFF to make sure the unique flavor of McDonald's fries was not altered. John Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] an animal fats thing
From: girl_mark_fire [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Bubble washing. allegedly it's an animal fats thing. I haven't personally dealt with it because in the US we don't get fast food cooked in animal fats. anyone else (ie australians, eaters of fine tallow fried ... er... food), more info? Is 'normally used' animal fat harder to convert fully than vegoil? I have been told that McDonalds fry oil is the same the world over and contains 30% chicken fat. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] an animal fats thing
I don't know exactly, but an ex-employee of Mc-Donald's in Belgium told me once that (at least in Belgium) the frying stuff contains animal fat. At 11:02 AM 6/2/2004 +0200, you wrote: From: girl_mark_fire [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Bubble washing. allegedly it's an animal fats thing. I haven't personally dealt with it because in the US we don't get fast food cooked in animal fats. anyone else (ie australians, eaters of fine tallow fried ... er... food), more info? Is 'normally used' animal fat harder to convert fully than vegoil? I have been told that McDonalds fry oil is the same the world over and contains 30% chicken fat. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
